ye i know its just i got told bizzard % is not the actually resulting dmg increase
#tc-research
tawny chasm
merry cloud
39 is 107% damage, 45 traits is 110% damage so overall it's 2.8% increase to damage from 39 to 45 traits
flat agate
does anyone have a pawn string for sub?
copper crow
it depend on your own stats
weary walrus
why does enabling logging make the apl play good? 🤔 it goes from 6 vendetta & KB casts to 7 and from 2 vanish casts to 3
pure condor
@torn dome "You envenom before kb vendetta for sot and keep sot and envenom up as bes as your crit allow."
are you sure that thats better than kb into envenom? initial damage,first tick and 1 melee potentially lose out on SOT buff but you potentially be able to fit in one more envenom at the end
torn dome
kb initial also gets buffed by sot
so you lose damage if it isnt up
And it is really hard to evaluate anything like this as your cp gen is random
quasi tulip
what is simming higher for you guys Deeper Stratagem or Vigor?
regal agate
virgor + Mp/ep depending on spec sims higher
quasi tulip
mine is showing deeper and vigor as my highest
regal agate
did you use the latest nightly SImcraft build
quasi tulip
what do you mean? like the updated simcraft?
regal agate
the latest 7.1.5 simcraft, you can get it from http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/?C=M;O=D
quasi tulip
okay i figured it out
is there a reason that on simcraft im at 500k but wowprogress im 425?
strong gorge
Probably many reasons. Such as boss up time, boss length, execution of rotation, RNG and more
weary walrus
wowprogress is using old simc
if you hover over the dps ull see the simc version they're using
weary walrus
that too
strong gorge
I would trust the simcraft one over wowprogress
quasi tulip
is simcraft usually right for item upgrades?
strong gorge
As right as we can model, sure
Any question like "Is X better than Y" you'll get an answer based of the output that simcraft gives
So either you trust it, or you don't. But I trust it
quasi tulip
it seems weird that when i sim with eye of command and the chest from nightbane at only 94% mastery it says its higher than when i switch items and im at 129%
is eye that good with the chest?
strong gorge
It gets really overbudgeted for its itemlevel together with the chest, indeed
quasi tulip
so its normal that it would sim that way?
strong gorge
From my experience, yes. Eye of command with chest is really powerful
regal agate
the chest buffs EoC by 30%, EoC becomes a extremely strong stat stick with this buff
quasi tulip
okay
strong gorge
However, also use common sense. Is it an environment where you swap targets often? Then the value of Eye of Command goes down
quasi tulip
what % crit seems optimal?
scarlet iris
Does Gnawed Thumb ring still increase physical Damage?
strong gorge
Turtle, I have not checked actually. If you have it, you could check and report back if you have time.
mudbitelite, there's not real optimal point. If you want to be picky, go piece by piece and see how stat weights change
weary walrus
anyone know why the sin apl plays differently with logging enabled?
old sigil
what happened to riff's guide?
keen monolith
I walked away from maintaining higher levels of crit this week and my dps both in sim and raid jumped significantly, seemed to be replaced with a bit more mastery and vers, combine that with vigor and the rotational flow doesn't seem to be affected all that much
open vapor
Sim craft as outlaw I sim 530k but I never pull that in a fight. Also, it's telling me to drop Vers to 4% and up haste over 17% and mastery to 40%. I feel something's not right
still holly
I'm only getting like 100 dps difference between 875 urn and 885 bloodthirsty lol
According to sim, pawn shows over 6k difference
modern aurora
@still holly I answered your question in simple-questions
don't compare trinkets with pawn unless they are bot stat-sticks
still holly
Ye i saw it
modern aurora
pawn doesn't take the procc of bti into account
modern aurora
715-01 is the newest afaik
still holly
I just can't see the 1k dps difference between 135% mastery 1% vers and 122% mastery 6% vers
Ye i got the old version
modern aurora
you forget the procc btw
it's pretty a good proc
http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/?C=M;O=D get the newest simc
still holly
Nice, got it. Thanks
inland pike
first time logging into 7.1.5, is MP now always better then EP as Sin Rogue?
calm sand
From what i understood MP>EP when you get to ~150% mastery
inland pike
ok 😄 thx
stoic raven
Hey guys, is the outlaw APL correct? I'm simming 10k higher on Patchwerk using Slice and Dice instead of Marked For Death
pure kraken
@inland pike I have a 40k dps increase with mp>EP at only 135% mastery...every sim I have done multiple gear and talent set ups MP beats EP everytime for me
bright girder
hard quest
@pure kraken whats ur crit/vers like, and do u have leg boots?
pure kraken
@hard quest 34 crit and 5% vers 135 master is my best simd set up with EoC and nightbane chest...and yes I have boots/cloak as my lege's 3 ma relics
@hard quest 881 equipped ilvl
maiden cargo
Yeah mp should destroy ep with boots and 3ma your vendetta and kb will have overlaps
hard quest
At the same time you could say 45 sec Vendetta is better for Exsang build, more of ur dmg is concentrated in those burst and you have a Vendetta for every one of those
ornate canopy
is there still a soft cap for crit with poison build ?
hard quest
I was simming 40% crit, 95% mastery, 10% vers using EP/exsang, then 37% crit, 128% mastery and 5% vers with MP/AP
EP/exsang was higher for me
but I think MP would pull eahd if you stacked more mastery
pure kraken
My exaggerated build was like 38% crit 99% mastery 12 % also with EoC and it simd 510k dps as exag compared to the 550k as mp/ap
12% vers***
Damn auto correct on my phone exang***
bleak sky
No soft crit cap. Crit is less important now. We not need to get those extra combo point procs as often as we only need to fill 5 cp instead of 6.
Mastery then Vers were my two best stats as MP/Vig/AP but I've changed out a few pieces and I'm about to resim
sage goblet
Am I crazy? I've never played with SimC before really. When I download the nightly build and imported a sample profile, it had Deadly Grace listed as the potion. IS this just me?
bleak sky
I'm about to download the newest version so I'll let you know what I see
hollow sleet
did anyone sim m+ talents?
stoic raven
Hey guys, is the outlaw APL correct? I'm simming 10k higher on Patchwerk using Slice and Dice instead of Marked For Death
pure condor
doesnt look like mfd works in sims
bold tinsel
Has anyone had any issues with Eye of Command simming incorrectly? Mine always adds almost 50 crit rating extra compared to the ingame tooltip per stack(so around 500 crit at max stacks) which really throws my sims for it off by over valuing it. I do not have the nightbane chest.
pure condor
are you checking "Buffs" and opening "Legion's Gaze" and looking at "amount"?
maiden cargo
Does Kingsbane profit from Nightstalker?
surreal garden
just the direct damage
maiden cargo
Okay, thank you
surreal garden
try and use simple qs or general next time though 😃
fervent gorge
!help
pastel portal
Anyone know how to sim how much haste would be needed to get a cd down to a certain point?
regal agate
haste does not reduce our gcd
it also does not impact the cooldown of our abilities (unless i miss sth)
pastel portal
not talking about gcd, talking about an ability, Dire beast on hunter
Need to figure out if there is a way to sim how much haste I would need to get it down to an 8 second cd
hazy fox
Since we are free to even 1 cp rupture and get the same damage, isn't it going to be a dps gain to just 2-3 cp rupture for Blood of the Assasinated procs, same goes for 3 cp envenoms for PB procs
hollow cradle
pawn string for sub?
stark walrus
!help
wet glade
Is anticipation/finality_eviscerate interaction modelled in lastest nightly
I wanted to try modifying evercerate usage to: actions.finish+=/eviscerate,if=!talent.anticipation.enabled|(talent.anticipation.enabled&(buff.finality_eviscerate.up|combo_points.deficit<=1)), but not sure if the 40% is applying
strong rune
@wet glade in theory it's in this commit: https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/cd1541e377056eec0630ccf1061249f92940e1c7
which means i'd expect it to be in the nightly
split sorrel
40% is in
check log
if you see finality_evisc_9 or 10, it's good
4% per stack, 10 max
wet glade
thanks
vapid estuary
didnt there used to be more buff than Lust? or am i crazy?
silent mist
does anyone know how good the kil'jaeden trinket is compared to other ass legendaries?
weary parcel
@vapid estuary blizz removed raid buffs
vapid estuary
i thought there was a panel for food/runes/etc
neon scarab
!trinkets
rocky iris
where can you see the APL simc is using
late willow
In your sim under profile
runic hinge
cant find the link for simcraft 715 download is it on their site?
runic hinge
@split sorrel is this a bug or gonna stay if it stays i can see Anticipation being good in M+ as fan with weapon master and double finisher on mobs will work fantasticly
ty @left finch
knotty mesa
rocky iris
why do you think that?
left finch
which version of simc
dry ledge
is vigor better than deeper strat now?
warped sequoia
for assassination yes
warped sequoia
you still use deeper strat
dry ledge
ok thx
desert oasis
i assume this nerf to dusk boots is a typo and its 55 energy and that it basicalyl does nothing?
and not 65 energy required
desert oasis
oh
desert oasis
right buyt garrote and rupture count towards that energy, its not jsut wasted
and fan for m+
and env
warped sequoia
every thing counts
desert oasis
id guess its barely diff
warped sequoia
even now
some said you lose like 5 seconds with this nerf
dont know if thats really right tho
we will have to wait and see
desert oasis
oh i just misudnerstood the ability, i thought it was abilitiesthat spend 50, im an idiot
ok
final ember
If anyone has overrides for simcraft to sim with the new hotfixes, that would be appreciated
warped sequoia
everyone is doing it differently
robust sentinel
ive been testing garrote, kingsbane, rupture, vendetta
warped sequoia
on the guide it says, garrote, envenom, mutilate rupture, mutilate to 5cp vanish rupture
vendetta kingsbane
some people just do as before
solar bridge
with boots and 3x ma im on 48.49sec vendetta / the boots get a 30% nerf
frosty light
is that 48 with the nerf?
solar bridge
without :/
23,51, boots cdr before -> 16.45 boots cdr sec after patch = 7,053sec -> 48,49sec vendetta before patch + 7,053sec after -> 55,543 sec vendetta cd
frosty light
brutal. can we sim convergeance yet?
split sorrel
@runic hinge yes but even without we'll slowly changes to Anticipation with 4p
and almost mandatory with bracers
depends if alacrity or not, etc..
About the "upcoming" hotfix, I'll probably manually hotfix rogue (ap, assa boots) and maybe kj trinket, so you'll be able to sim in one of the upcoming nightly.
I still have a lot of work to do on all 3 APLs, feel free to help me/us.
By the way, if you have a better gear for Default Profile (T19h, T19h_nh, T19m, T119m_nh), you can also contribute, everyone can, just open an issue on github (or ask for commit access) or pm me if you prefer. It's the easiest thing to do on SimC but sadly it takes time and it is not high prio for me atm.
I can help you if you want to contribute but aren't sure how.
Just in case, do not forget to read the wiki (here is the page for APL) : https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/ActionLists
old sigil
how do i actually change the APL? like, i read this: "Changing the APL
Before you even think about touching the APL in the profile, see the help page and learn the syntax and specific language the APL uses to run. If it’s too daunting, then just don’t change the APL or post on the MMO-Champion Monk forum and ask for help to do what you’d like to do with it.
Syntax aside, the most important thing for changing the APL is to keep in mind that it is a priority list from the top down. If you put something like actions.st+=/tiger_palm,if=cooldown.keg_smash.remains>=gcd above anything else that consumes a GCD, the simulation will just spam Tiger Palm any time Keg Smash is on CD because it has no cost, no cooldown, and no other condition telling it not to. Be careful with your placement.
Once a simulation is run, on the results page go down to the APL section and look at the numbers next to each line. These tell you how many times that action was performed. If it says 0, then either that line is redundant, it is not written properly, or something else is superseding it earlier in the priority and you need to find out what that is. This is the most technical part of experimenting with SimC, and it’s okay to screw it up every now and then. I know I’ve had my share of things that broke the APL because I wrote a conditional wrong or didn’t think something through."
but it doesnt actually tell me HOW to change it
old sigil
the lines where? what file?
merry cloud
When you import your char you see that wall of text
old sigil
mhm?
merry cloud
Have you used simc before?
merry cloud
Then you would paste only your char stats/talents etc
Import from armory
And you will see APL generated
old sigil
aaaah i see.. tyvm
merry cloud
Then you can change it how you like
warped sequoia
Go to import, Choose EU/US choose the server, nand write your name
old sigil
i've actually never used that feature, hence the confusion 😛
merry cloud
You can just use in simc browser and when it doesn't click use right mouse click and "follow link"
old sigil
sorry, i didnt understand that, lorentz
split sorrel
you can also import a sample profile if you just want to see the APL
and copy/paste it to your own or tweak it from sample profiles
old sigil
how do i import a sample profile?
night tinsel
import -> sample profile -> rogue -> double click which one you want
steep cedar
yo guys a few days ago someone linked some sims in Stjerns guide that showed how relics simmed for sin with whether you had boots or not. I cant find them now anywhere. Anyone have a link?
bleak cobalt
Sorry if this is construed as rude, but is the newest nightly build including the new hotfixes?
normal elk
look at the pinned messages
glossy lynx
@split sorrel, does ssw bug mean for practical usage that u just always want to stay at the endge of hitbox (red circle under enemy)?
also is there any 'outdated' or so apl that tried to make a usage of sprint+vanish combo? I'd love to maybe help with doing that, i sitll think it is a dps increase if you use it on like very low energy, especially with shoulders
solid pine
Question, seeing as the latest OS X build is still for 7.1.0, is it worth running sims on that with PTR mode on? Or are those too old to be any good and I should just wait for the proper 7.1.5 release instead?
split sorrel
@glossy lynx yes that is what I do, max max range, I use RangeDisplay to show me the range. I could add a display of it in EasyRaid tho, infos are there
and no for sprint, it's in the todo list
glossy lynx
do you have a wa for that range?
late willow
I think I will make two sets of bis lists for NH gear for the apl.
I was going to do it for crit build anyway
magic wyvern
Does any1 have the actual CD reduced by boots before/after patch?
steep cedar
it depends on your energy expenditure.
magic wyvern
Elisande trinket will be even better for rogues now
steep cedar
not really. It's value doesn't change.
It just seems so in comparison to the boots since they got nerfed. But it's overall value stays the same
wheat apex
Uhm regarding mythic+ dungeons. Are there different stat-weights I have to look out for? How do I sim myself for that scenario anyways? 😄
regal agate
there are difrent encounter types in the option menue
regal agate
@glossy lynx you can use my color coded range display if you want:
http://pastebin.com/GW6Q6fw2
auto attack range = green
shadowstrike range = blue
shadowstep range = yellow
out of range = red
glossy lynx
is it possible to track radius from the center of hitbox?
rather then from outer edge
regal agate
i think you cant get position data during fights anymore (7.1 changes)
split sorrel
it was nerver possible @glossy lynx
regal agate
wasnt it with http://wow.gamepedia.com/API_UnitPosition pre 7.1.?
regal agate
oh i thought you could for enemys
thanks for the clerification
XD its in the documentation ^^ my bad
split sorrel
else EasyRaid would have been OP for some things ^^
and much simplier for me to dev
kindred epoch
Aethys sorry to bother you if people have already begin to harass you , but any ETA on the nightybuild ? :p Thanks
split sorrel
idk, tonight maybe 😄
dusky slate
I tried grabbing the github trunk of simcraft, and saw that it has VS2013 and VS2015 projects only, but my VS2012 didn't want to compile it. I guess I'm out of luck and have to wait for a new nightly.
regal agate
pls stay with simulation/apl related questions here. for balance discussions use #228878985210101760
solar quest
you can calculate ur stats weight in simcraft
i would allways do that. after every path / item upgrade
u can active it in the options of sc
split sorrel
iron elk
is updated the last issue of the nightly?
dense tide
Are there any approximate power gains for tier, or any sims on nh trinkets?
maiden cargo
Hello, anyone have a good pawnstring for assa rogue? Waiting for simulationcraft 7.1.5 sucks
iron elk
pawnstring=APL?
change the energy regen to vendetta from 88->125
and envenom at 4+ instead 5+
trail herald
in an item string, if you are editing to sim different gem or enchant do you have to edit bonus_id=, gems=, and enchant= or just bonus_id
havent seen it discussed anywhere
maiden cargo
omeomorfismo do you know the noxxic string? can i use this for starting gearing @110?
iron elk
no, sorry
maiden cargo
this is what the string says Agility [9.01] > Mastery [7.51] > Crit [6.01] > Versatility [4.51] > Haste [3.01]
could this be right?
iron elk
oh, stat scaling, you need to do a simulation for your itemization
maiden cargo
just for the beginning. i just started my rogue on 110 😄
weary parcel
just sim yourself tbh, doesnt take that long
and it'll be way better than a public pawn string
iron elk
btw generally you can stack crit/mastery for MP/AP and crit/vers for EP/EX
terse mist
Is EX still worth doing with DS nerfs?
west bane
Does the latest nightly have the hotfixes?
vernal mason
What crit % do you aim for for assassin ?
dreamy tartan
not sure if there's a crit % to aim for... seems to me crit/mastery/versa are all close
bright kayak
Hi, I'm a bit new to simulationcraft (just installed it) I'm trying my 1st sim to find out some stat weights. Doing that enable scaling simulation and the big button is changed to "Simulating" Where can i see the progress of the simulation, or how much time should I expect it to take?
coarse tendon
All depends on your computer. My comp is a bit old and takes like 5 minutes with WoW running
bright kayak
ah, nvm... restarted the program and now it works... seems the 1st time it froze
maiden cargo
worth replacing 1 ma relic to make Vendetta a 62 sec cd after hotfixes to gain rupture damage?
sterile ether
with the 5-6% nerf we getting, will sub be better for ST at Mythic NH gear lvls?
earnest wyvern
How to get the Simulationcraft for 7.1.5?
strong rune
wait, @split sorrel - it's totally possible to approximate distance to enemeies
not to the center of the hitbox, though
is that what you were saying above?
strong rune
I have a weak aura that lists the number of shuriken storm targets in range / the number of blade flurry targets in range; it does so by looping through an item list with known ranges
for the set of targets in the viewport
strong rune
yep
so you can approximate it to reasonable correctness - is this a blocker for anyone in practice?
strong rune
yep.
wraith plume
Sorry if this was ansered before, is the new night build including the incoming nerf?
Nevermind just a bit above indicates not yet
round canyon
@strong rune It probabably doesnt belong in this channel but, does your blade flurry weakaura differentiate between having acrobatic and not having it?
strong rune
yeah
strong rune
need to get on a computer with wow installed, on unix box today
timid fox
Hey guys. Can you help me out with something?
I simed myself with (888 ilvl) and without (898 ilvl) Master assasin relics, and the difference is abysmal
is that correct? http://imgur.com/a/0BZTz
that's the weapon ilvl btw
valid scroll
Does anyone have an actionlist for simcraft that includes the new shoulder legendary?
outer stump
i don't think it changes besides actions.finish=between_the_eyes,if=equipped.greenskins_waterlogged_wristcuffs&!buff.greenskins_waterlogged_wristcuffs.up|buff.master_assassins_initiative.up if you don't have the bracers... you're already using vanish on CD, and I can't see a period in which you would delay that
actually you would probably want to delay between the eyes if vanish is close to coming off CD
*if you also have the bracers
valid scroll
Ye it was mainly the part about waiting for previous buff from shoulders to drop that I was looking for
so that should be perfect
split sorrel
sprint is a massive dps gain as subtlety, especially with mantle 😃
PSA : early results, still have some little things to fix and APL will need improvements
uneven moat
i assume thats stopping auto attack to sprint
split sorrel
that's is right
uneven moat
rather than during a lull in the fight
split sorrel
now imagine when you do this during "real disconnect" due to movement, etc...
uneven moat
good to know the numbers associated, thx
split sorrel
do not pay attention to numbers atm
iron elk
@split sorrel , maybe is a naive question, but the spell's coefficients that are called by the various objects in sc_rogue.cpp are in the file allspells.txt?
lament citrus
@split sorrel do sims tend to overvalue dps gain from es relics with boots?
novel pier
Hmm, thought this was stickied, but can someone post the link to the updated APLs?
vapid ridge
how is the APL now for sin on the 715 build?
dense tide
Are sims broken right now?
gleaming root
150 % mastery, 575k dps with exsang, 600k with AP.. and ap nerf inc.. RIP .. and i passed on 895 guarm trinket with socket 1 day later hotfixes arrives.. ahh i love blizzard ❤
outer stump
what does DPS range mean on a simulation? if my DPS range is 30k, does that mean sometimes I pull -15k (dps range / 2) on my sim profile or or the full -30k?
vapid ridge
@gleaming root do you have a link to the source on the hotfixes so i can take a look at the details?
latent bear
vapid ridge
Thanks Stee
brittle nebula
!trinket
hard quest
Anyone involved with simcraft know if the sin sims will hold exsang/KB to a degree to line up with Vendetta?
or is just using verything on cooldown
rapid plaza
Don't really trust my sims right now, does it seem like Mastery>Crit now?
lime rune
as AP mastery >crit
novel marlin
Is the nightly build with wednesdays AP nerf?
earnest nimbus
simc-715-01-win64-22e20c6.7z 2017-01-15 08:44 43M Does this one include the hotfix nerfs coming in?
strong path
So will exsang be better now with the nerfs?
feral crystal
most likely even
strong path
I guess it'll close the gap between sin and outlaw/sub too
lament citrus
@split sorrel even pre nerf es relics simmed higher when they literally added no value
regal agate
if the sin nerf is averagely ~4% sin will still be better then sub
but balance discussions should take place in #228878985210101760
@lament citrus did i miss a ES nerf?
btw. my simulation shows 1 ES + 2x DPS relic (gutripper or nightblade damage) over 3x ES.
you may want to take a look at my thesis
split sorrel
because the APL is good @lament citrus
lament citrus
No, they didn't change anything. What results do you get when simming 2x es? Does it add some value / dps. Where can I find your thesis?
Yes, the apl is able to use every procc perfectly? But what does that mean for us when we obv can't play it that perfect?
regal agate
the simulation results for me:
1xES + 2 dps > 3xES > 2xes + 1 dps
lament citrus
Oh well I def have to sim for my character again then! Are gutripper / demon kiss also very close for you?
regal agate
the difrence between 2x dps + ES was relevant high to 3x ES but relics where on same ilvl
gutripper and deamon kiss where not that far apart thats why i sayed 2 dps instead of gutripper
torn dome
personally with tier gutripper sockets in value with certain talent combos
regal agate
ye i didnt evaluate with tier set, so that may make gutripper better
lament citrus
Why is that? Because with longer lasting nightblades from 2pc you can get more evises?
regal agate
you have a higher shadowblades runtime this means you have more combo points resulting in more finisher. nightblades is a more or less static finisher, the casts shouldnt vary to mutch so this is a direct increase in finisher for enviscarate.
also with anticipation your finality buff stacks up to 40% instead of 24% (at max cp)(+5% base finiserh increse)(thats ~10% more).
this will value gutripper probably alot higher
lament citrus
Well the 40% dmg from anticipation seem to a bug tho?
regal agate
we cant say exactly but it is probably.
that sayed only evi scales up higher then 20% with cp nightblade stays at 20% (24% for DS on both finisher).
lament citrus
Ok guess we have to wait then, must be a nightmare to optimize the apl atm ... thanks for your answers fuu!
regal agate
i dont think its to hard. you either stay at >5 cp and play with these CP or go to 9/10 cp-> envi->envi
glossy lynx
@split sorrel, i remember i told you, that sprint is a dps increase like 2 months ago :p
regal agate
we did know that already ^^
glossy lynx
never saw a single log with sprinting rogue
and ppl told me that it is total bullshit strat 😄
anyway what i am wondering, is it worth using sprint when you dont have any sd charges and you are low on energy, or simply use sprint on cd?
regal agate
it should be obviouse to everyone who read the trait that it is a damage increse however its a bit tricky to use.
also it just recently became more intressting becouse of mantle
if the trait is in simc you can adjust the priority of it.
my first guess is shd(3 cp or close to)>vanish>sprint> shd.
hollow sleet
can somebody tell me where I can add food to simcraft?
regal agate
but i can be wrong
hollow sleet
want to sim different foods
glossy lynx
tho in NH there aint that many bosses where u can sprint freely
on most of the bosses you receive constant aoe dmg
so you have to waste cloak of shadows to get vanish
regal agate
you can adjust the food in your input string. (just copy the whole string from the "profiles tab" on the result of your simulation and replace the name of the food)
hollow sleet
i dont get it^^
regal agate
run a simulation with 1 iteration.
in the result you get there is an point named profile
expand it and copy everything in it to a new profile in your simulations tab.
and replace the name of the food where it says:
...food,name=seedbattered_fish_plate
to whatever name the food has you want
split sorrel
@glossy lynx the gain is little without mantle
hollow sleet
ah ok, now i see i thinkl
split sorrel
with it's massive
hollow sleet
for example fishbrul_special?
hollow sleet
well that didnt work
regal agate
it works i just tested it. Pepper Breath is in the damage list @hollow sleet
fishbrul_special
steep cedar
are there new sims for MA/gushing wound relics compared to boots? Basically is there an updated this: http://roguedpsguide.com/master-assassin-ma-trait-and-relics-stealth-nerfed-in-7-1-5-2/ with the nerfed boots?
regal agate
the nerfed boots make 3xma + boots to ~52 secounds vendetta cd. this means if you have CoF you may only run 1-2 MA relics
stark sentinel
whats CoF ?
regal agate
the new "class trinket" from NH
http://www.wowhead.com/item=140806/convergence-of-fates
stark sentinel
oh kk
stiff forum
has any1 simmed dfa with strictly finallity uses?
split sorrel
no @stiff forum
regal agate
DFA dont work with finality to my knowlage, tho i can be wrong
stiff forum
it does
dfa states come down and use eviscerate for 50% more dmg you hit for 2.5mil+ usually and in combat scenario my dps seems to stay about same
regal agate
ah ye my bad it uses evi
gleaming root
DO i have to wait until the hotfixes is live to sim my charachter with the AP nerf? or can i do it already?
tribal scroll
the types of questions that can be answered with sim it shouldnt clutter this channel
trim jasper
allright ill sim it
low gorge
having a hard time getting nightly to run with the client. Do i need to paste it?
i opened with 7z
regal agate
you can use the installer if its more comfortable for you
low gorge
mind dm'ing me?
regal agate
else just unpack it and run it
low gorge
im a complete idiot when it comes to this
fresh yoke
where can i find the 7.1.5 version?
fresh yoke
ty
viscid summit
so anyone knows why the new kiljaeden trinket cant be simmed?
i got it wednesday and tried simming everyday sims
since*
wispy river
Does the latest SimC nightly build include the incoming hotfixes?
tribal scroll
Yes iirc
tribal scroll
In the nightly build, type !simc in another channel
viscid summit
which of those documents does i have to download?
regal agate
we could potentialy pin the link to the channel
stuck gull
regal agate
mantle + depending on situation
for st with tier 2p (and trinket) bracers
without tier boots
for aoe back
trim jasper
Does mantle work with Dance?
regal agate
no
regal agate
there is no snapshotting with mantle
regal agate
btw. this is a channel to ask simc related questions. your questions fit in #228879234540503040
frosty light
do i need to make simcraft manually use tirathion's betrayal, or does it automatically do that?
regal agate
it does it automatically
regal trout
can somebody link me the lastest simc build everyone is using?
regal agate
thanks @split sorrel
regal trout
ty
dense tide
Are set bonuses activated in simc?
dusty basin
!simc
terse mist
Has anyone actually simmed for MA + New boots nerfs yet?
Is it better to run 2 MA + 1 GW or just 3MA?
noble anchor
did simc update to include the boot nerf ?
cause im simming 512k now, after getting two upgrades since yesterday when I simmed 547k
weary walrus
yup the latest simc includes the nerfs
desert oasis
thats a large dps nerf.. is it really that large?
split sorrel
yes but continue this discussion in #228878985210101760
magic tulip
so im not sure if this is a problem with simcraft or with wowhead but when i sim myself with the new nightly build it only shows that i have one rank in toxic blades trait. Is there anyway to fix this on my end?
wet glade
If I add:
set_bonus=tier19_2pc=1
set_bonus=tier19_4pc=1
Does that enable the tier bonuses even if the items are not equipped?
boreal patrol
@wet glade yes, it does
maiden cargo
anyone want to sim my char with a different relic?
got 3 ma, 2x 880 1x 865
need someone to sim me with 880 GW
unkempt jasper
what's the new simulationcraft download?
tribal scroll
check pinned
barren osprey
RIP my simdps, from 510k to 480k....
thorny grove
is the AP nerf already in simc?
plain mesa
were the pawn stat weights removed from simc?
tribal scroll
make sure you have stat scaling enabled
plain mesa
yep that was it, thanks. just updated it and it reset everything else
tribal scroll
np
strange wharf
!simc
hard quest
So if your Vendetta is ~55 sec cd like post-nerf boots+MA people are gonna have, does simcraft hold exsang/KB to line up with it?
Or is the sim just throwing everything out on cd
wind otter
actions.maintain+=/kingsbane,if=(talent.exsanguinate.enabled&dot.rupture.exsanguinated)|(!talent.exsanguinate.enabled&(debuff.vendetta.up|cooldown.vendetta.remains>10))
this line
at exactly 56s it's gonna use in on cd, at 55 or below, it'll wait
hard quest
@wind otter thanks
quasi tulip
what are people taking for talents now after newest changes?
final ember
AMR still lists Kingsbane as being unaffected by Vendetta: http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/theory/mechanic/spell/vendetta?spec=RogueAssassination&version=live
is this true?
wind otter
you could just test if for yourself on a target dummy
but kingsbane is affected by vendetta now
iron elk
lol, im using various APL for kingsbane with AP, 3MA and boots
and using standard APL vs using on cd the difference is about 2k for standard
but the funny things is that the biggest difference is in garrote damage instead of kingsbane
seriously i cant understand why...
keen fox
anyone know when an osx version is gonna come out for 7.1.5?
snow thorn
how come when i sim using the newest nightly, the tooltip for AP still says 4% per stack?
hard hull
Who else lost a shit ton of dps from the nerfs? XD
slim spear
can anyone help me sim my rogue and tell me if vigor is better for me /
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/illidan/Miizerysenpa/simple thisis my armory if someone could help me out plz and ty
dusk pilot
😞
final ember
Is Nightblooming Frond simming very high for anyone else?
Simmed 20k higher than any other trinket for me, at the same item level as them
gaunt gale
As which spec? If you attack very fast, it'll stack very fast and the proc could be extremely powerful.
final ember
Assassination. I'd been using @split sorrel ' sims, which show it quite low, but his Nightblooming Frond didn't actually do ANY damage if you look at that profile http://simc.aethys.eu/rog_asn_t19m_1t_trinkets.html
sly blade
Are you using AP?
final ember
Yes MP/Vigor/AP with boots and 2MA+1GW relic and Convergence of Fates. More importantly, the proc from Nightblooming Frond simmed as 34k, 5.4% of my damage, where it did 0 in Aethys' sim
sly blade
Doesn't seem that odd to me atleast then. AP boosts the damage of the proc so it can do pretty good dps. Also what I've heard from others' testing, 5-6% from that trinket is realistic
split sorrel
@final ember not/wrongly implemented probably
scenic lotus
i cant find any combo for my gear that sims better with ma relics than gw relics, even with CoF
hardy oar
with the boot nerfs coming soon, will it still be worth taking MA relics with the boots?
split sorrel
be careful guys, Assa APL was done with prenerf boots & prenerf MA, I'm pretty sure it should be changed to be optimized
spark night
if you know you're going to get a CoF within 2 weeks, I see no reason to change your relics. with CoF your KB and Vendetta will allign properly. Anyone else have this thought?
scenic lotus
so 3xMA+CoF is vendetta for every other kb?
split sorrel
except if they changed the rppm and or the 5s value, no one knows now, nor simc
spark night
At that point I'll just BabyRage over to a DH
split sorrel
the values we have are the one from PTR and I wouldn't be surprised they changed the 9 rppm of outlaw because 60% AR uptime is retard
spark night
Oh I meant sin sorry
split sorrel
same for sin
spark night
3.51 is pre low
scenic lotus
super awkward situation
spark night
Even if 3 MA + boots + CoF sims lower I will probably still play it if its not extremely lower because I despise CD desync
and I enjoy having KB and Vendetta line up
scenic lotus
i'd rather go for passive dps boost since your cd's can always be delayed by encounter specifics
spark night
There will be very few fights when you're doing absolutely nothing
merry cloud
@spark night strange that you want to use CoF if you despise CD desync. That trinket would do exactly that since it's unpredictable. Anyway sounds like discussion for #228878985210101760
real badger
Simc it tells me that I make the maximum dps possible with 1% of verst, why?
maiden cargo
actions.cds+=/vendetta,if=!talent.exsanguinate.enabled&energy.deficit>=88-!talent.venom_rush.enabled*10
currently for ap it just uses vendetta on cooldown if not running exsang
real badger
And with rings and neck can reach 6% aprox
maiden cargo
so unless you want to explore cooldown syncing for KB or vanish i think it should be ok for MA relic testing
because you usually use vendetta on cd apart from the energy thing which it counts for
actions.cds+=/vendetta,if=talent.exsanguinate.enabled&(artifact.master_assassin.rank>=4-equipped.convergence_of_fates|equipped.duskwalkers_footpads)&energy.deficit>=75&!(artifact.master_assassin.rank=5-equipped.convergence_of_fates&equipped.duskwalkers_footpads) for exsang is where it is funky
it also saves kb to sync if vendetta has <10 sec cooldown remaining when kb comes off cd
final ember
@split sorrel is Agonizing down to 3.5% in the latest nightly? Think this still shows it as 4%, unless this doesn't mean what I think it means
merry cloud
I think it was hard coded and what you see is spell data. I might be wrong tho
final ember
Thanks
merry cloud
I like 101% chance
maiden cargo
Put in an 895 GW over a 855 MA. Right call?
magic tulip
@final ember i ran a similar test with the trinkets with AP/MP. A normal version of Nightblooming Frond and Convergence vs convergence and Draught. Nightbloom/convergence won by 7.5k.
final ember
Thanks. Difference between Nightbloom+CoF and Draught+CoF was 23k for me, but good to know the general result is still accurate
magic tulip
well i have the bracers/ring and am currentley using three MA relics. I saw that you used the boots and 2 ma/GW.
maiden cargo
nightbloom is EXTREMELY rng
proc goes from like 1% to like 9% on fights
id rather have current draught
and it relies on boss uptime while draught is burst cd
night tinsel
Confused at how the Assassination_exsg t19m nh profile is casting vendetta with a 68 second interval when it has no MA relics or boots on
@strong rune any thoughts?
strong rune
i neither play assassination nor know much about the assassination code stuff
have you taken a look at the debug logs?
proven cape
@night tinsel I guess it has CoF Trinket?
night tinsel
oh yeah I forgot about that good one
Simple things we overlook when running 50 sims over and over zz
here I was running the logs to find out where I was mucking up lol
desert oxide
newest nightly build includes relic nerf, right
maiden cargo
correct
hard hull
So we dont know if convergence will be worth until its live and tested?
split sorrel
@final ember it's because spell data doesn't support int
so, it was hardcoded into the "read value of the spell data" if you prefer
we'll see how it looks on live, they'll probably put 35 and divide it by 10
or 350 and per 100
but since it's in 1day, it was just hardcoded
small grail
So any news on Hemmorage bleed specc with set bonus?
split sorrel
It doesn't work with set bonus.
night tinsel
I would say its bad design when they have to make exceptions to rules cuz it would be too op
maybe they should have come up with something else
merry cloud
They call it bleed but then don't explain that it's not really bleed for Hemo and Exsang and VW
Wish they would do something like DotA2 - elaborate tooltip that you can view if you hold some key
split sorrel
this discussion doesn't belong to this channel, continue in #228878985210101760 please.
atomic ember
what relics are used in the sample profiles for outlaw T19M_NH?
oh i found them nvm
😃
split sorrel
About that :
I still have a lot of work to do on all 3 APLs, feel free to help me/us.
By the way, if you have a better gear for Default Profile (T19H, T19H_NH, T19M, T119M_NH), you can also contribute, everyone can, just open an issue on github (or ask for commit access) or pm me if you prefer. It's the easiest thing to do on SimC but sadly it takes time and it is not high prio for me atm.
I can help you if you want to contribute but aren't sure how.
Just in case, do not forget to read the wiki (here is the page for APL) : https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/ActionLists
steady hare
hey guys can anyone help me out, im a 891 sub rogue without the boots, simcraft is telling me that haste is by far my most valuable stat, this cant be right. Does anyone have any idea's?
split sorrel
It can.
hallow gull
Is there a sim list available for NH trinkets yet? Stjern's guide doesn't have an updated list currently and I'm not quite savvy enough with SimC to do it myself properly
cosmic orbit
So I'm relatively new to simming myself and I've been copying my entire profile from the simulationcraft addon and editing each line with gear and simming entire profiles separately. How do I sim, for instance, different relics in the same profile without having to copy multiple profiles and changing the relics one by one in each?
split sorrel
you can't
the easiest way to do those combinations atm, is to either have them (but doesn't works for relics)in game and use an addon like simpermut, or use CombinX templating system (but it's quite complex atm, especially if you're totally new)
cosmic orbit
Yeah, keeping track of which relics I'm simming gets frustrating when it's only represented by a six digit gem ID.
split sorrel
you can take ur first profile as base
cosmic orbit
Oh?
split sorrel
and then just addin copy= and the main_hand= line to override only the weapon
cosmic orbit
Okay.
I'm getting surprised by some of my results and just assume I'm doing something wrong.
For instance, I've discovered that BtE relics might be BiS for Outlaw, but I haven't seen any updated sims.
split sorrel
considering the frequency of BtE now, it's not surprising
if you have greenskin ofc
cosmic orbit
Yeah, I do.
dense tide
Does the latest nightly build have vendetta boots nerf?
low gorge
how do I change the foodbuff for simc
tribal scroll
generate the apl through armory import
and then change the name of the food in the script to what you want it to be
hallow gull
I am trying to sim my character to see if the 4set from normal NH would be an upgrade or not despite the ilvl drop, however when I replace the item ids its giving me an instant error when I try to sim. Would this be the right channel to ask what i'm doing wrong? I can copypaste my items from simc that I am trying to sim
regal agate
you may made typo issue
hallow gull
its possible, but after looking through it I'm not sure where
regal agate
head=,id=<YOUR ID>
for example is the right typo
hallow gull
i replaced 4 bits of gear and they each look like this
chest=,138326,bonusid=0
with the correct item id from wowhead
oh
no underscore
regal agate
mom i try
hallow gull
still doesn't work though
regal agate
ye you forgot the
weary walrus
set_bonus=tier19_4pc=1 should work? i think
hallow gull
yea i caught that just now
but i dont actually need the bonuid i guess because its a 0 value anyway
regal agate
so the right typo :
chest=,id=138326,bonus_id=XXX
if you need the bonusid you can use it^^
hallow gull
hmmm
head=,id=138332
neck=,id=133636,enchant_id=5439,bonus_id=3416/1527/3337
shoulder=,id=134286,enchant_id=5441,bonus_id=3509/1542/3336
back=,id=138371,enchant_id=5435
chest=id,138326
shirt=,id=52019
wrist=,id=137098,bonus_id=3459/3458
hands=,id=139202,enchant_id=5445,bonus_id=1806/1808/1502,gem_id=130219
waist=,id=139197,bonus_id=1806/1502
legs=id,138335
feet=,id=142140,bonus_id=1808/3452/1487/3337,gem_id=130219
finger1=,id=137049,enchant_id=5429,bonus_id=1811/3458,gem_id=130247
finger2=,id=133637,enchant_id=5427,bonus_id=3509/1532/3336
trinket1=,id=137419,bonus_id=3414/1517/3336
trinket2=,id=139329,bonus_id=1806/1502
main_hand=,id=128870,bonus_id=741,relic_id=1806:1502/1806:1502/3454:1472,gem_id=139251/139261/143524/0
off_hand=,id=128869,relic_id=0/0,gem_id=0/0/0/0
this should be correct no?
regal agate
if it couses an error its not correct
you can try that by running 1 iteration sims
btw. you got errors in it
hallow gull
where? i suspect thats the problem
hallow gull
ah
hallow gull
ok I think i got it now, thanks for the help ^^
strong plinth
if someone wants to take a look and is too lazy to sim for himself , sub trinket sims with the items listed (stricly Nighthold only Items) next to the list : http://imgur.com/a/AmIWz
The Legendarys use are boots + ring as they are the ones i'm using atm
regal agate
ye frond seems overtuned
strong plinth
kinda
regal agate
i like the "sub bis list - forum" reference profile
strong plinth
well yeah ,that one is without trinkets at all 😄 as a reference
just went over items quickly, prolly still gonna change things up
regal agate
bis legendarys will change with tier set + trinket btw.
strong plinth
ye i know, just used the legendarys i got atm in those sims
nonsense to sim items with legendarys that i will probably not get in a long time thanks to those awesome drop chances 😃
mint dew
!guide
scarlet iris
Frond really good? I tested on PTR and it was super bad.. like 1.6 million dmg from 100 million
glass holly
is there a BiS list with Sims too from Sin?
storm kettle
Does anyone know how long it takes the site to update to stable builds? Running a Mac so I'm still on 710-03.
pulsar kraken
is there a simcraft with the boot nerf and AP nerf in it?
pulsar kraken
can u link it for me plz?
heady elm
yes
pulsar kraken
ok
oh wtf
my character sims for 600k currently
with this new simcraft is 559k
RIP
storm kettle
@pulsar kraken Since you're on Windows, could you run my sim to see the change?
hallow gull
@strong plinth you wouldn't happen to have something similar for sin by any chance?
pulsar kraken
what is your char name @storm kettle
strong plinth
nope sorry :/
hallow gull
I've looked all over the place for a list but can't seem to find one 😦
storm kettle
@pulsar kraken I can send the sim string in a sec through PM.
strong plinth
i can pm you the trinket strings if you want to, you would just need to fill the gaps for the rest for the gear and run the sim
hallow gull
that would be great, thanks
azure fractal
the upcoming hotfixes are considered by simcraft ?
weary walrus
yes
azure fractal
for every classes ?
split sorrel
AP Sin Bois with Bracers won't be happy
Not sure how it was working (I only tested on PTR and it was indeed) but Bracers doesn't interact with AP so expect another small nerf in your AP Sims
storm kettle
Just for my education/curiosity even though I don't play Sin, how much of a nerf are you talking?
inland spoke
Hey' can I somehow calculate which of my 2 trinkets is better?
weary walrus
btw @split sorrel, ive found requiring envenom buff before using kingsbane is a pretty solid dps increase
split sorrel
@weary walrus good, feel free to publish ur APL
weary walrus
idk my way around github 😕
i just added a check to make sure envenom was up b4 using kingsbane
cosmic orbit
@split sorrel For the nightly simc builds, what program do I open the files in between the simc files? Those show the changelog, right?
Is there a changelog document in it? I'm not sure
strong rune
Probably the best way to get a sense for changes in the nightly is to look at the commits, I think navv only pushes a change log for major releases
strong rune
ah, sorry
a "commit" is a small change to a program
this might not be super useful for you, sorry
it's a log of all the changes to simc
amber quartz
Tbh I tough bracer never worked with AP due to the wording of working on dmg bleed and poison, so in theory AP is just an effect XD
wet turtle
@weary walrus Hey! You can send me the changes you made to the sin APL, I'll submit them to github
@steep cedar Here's an useful string for siming Rogue M trinkets : just write a profile without trinkets and replace 'OutlawNoTrinkets' by your rogue name. http://pastebin.com/UShA0yX0
novel pier
I saw a couple of posts on this earlier so I thought I would test it myself. Is anyone trusting that Nightblooming Frond is simming 30k higher for Sub than other trinkets? Given that by all reports it was not doing well on the PTR I am not sure I can take the sim results at face value (not to mention it flips stat weights on their head).
@split sorrel I know you did trinket sims a little while back, did you see this discrepency?
novel pier
K, thats what I thought. I was getting overly concerned. Thanks for the confirm 😃
modest matrix
bonus tier
snow root
How is the rotation now for MP/AP? Are we focusing on keeping Surge up even if it means 1-2pt Envenoms?
Sorry wrong channel!
maiden cargo
Kil'jaeden's Burning Wish: Damage increased by 55%. is that buff actually included in simc ?
frosty minnow
guys quick question, SND or MFD for 7.1.5 outlaw ^.^?
wise mural
hey guys quick questions, are you having issues with enchant id's on the last nightly build?
i just cant seem to find ANY id of the same enchant that works, it simms normally but then i check gear and no enchant on finger is there
feral crystal
I think you can manually put it in something like enchant=250mastery
Syntax may not be correct there but that's the general gist
nimble pasture
how bad are the bracers now?
runic flame
I hav 710-03 installed, does that have accurate readings for EP vs MP?
pure condor
no. get nightly builds
pure condor
sadly no
hallow gull
So I've been simming the trinkets for Sin and Frond seems to be miles ahead of everything else with CoF barely coming in third, even with MA relics. Does this seem realistic or is it valueing Frond too high?
mild steppe
any NH trinket ratings out yet?
gaunt crow
Anybody know how the Master Assassin relics are performing now?
considering the boots nerf
twin ibex
@hallow gull what's simming 2nd? Also are you Bleed or AP?
hallow gull
I simmed both, for AP Drought is second, for Bleed CoF and Entwinded Elemental Focus are fairly close for second, but in both cases Frond is first by a substantial margin
twin ibex
Thanks, I'll sim mine later for comparison
sonic sentinel
!trinkets
craggy talon
!trinket
velvet sorrel
Assassin Rogue here:
whats the Mastery goal now for MP?
Sacrificed some of it for my Crit, got 44% crit now even with the 5% crit nerf, but dropped to 107% Mastery bc of that.
Still doing 500k Dps though.
Should I sacrifice some Mastery for Crit?
heavy bluff
Running SimCraft today to prepare some things for tomorrow and my simmed DPS went from 542k a week ago to 496k tonight with no changes. When I looked at AP, it's showing as a 1% damage boost per stack instead of 3.5% or 4%. Am I looking at this incorrectly? How can I tell what has changed in the past week?
snow thorn
did those APL tweaks around holding exsang for KB vendetta get put into the apl on github?
was mentioned earlier this monring
split sorrel
Hello guys, @wet turtle whisped me because he's going to improve the Assa (mostly) and Outlaw APL, I know some of you have already did some modifications. May you put them on Github (issue or pull request as you prefer) or here or in pm ?
Thank you in advance.
@heavy bluff may you show your report ?
split sorrel
https://gist.github.com/Aethys256/65ff248b983a9a900a55c39719987c48
For people who want an Assassination Benchmark profile, you can test multiple interesting combos for the APL. (MP/EP/DS/Vigor/MAs/Boots/CoF) (Check it out @wet turtle )
wet turtle
@split sorrel Thanks gonna be useful !
split sorrel
lofty atlas
@split sorrel what according to your sim, Exsanguinate is back on the top on pure single tagret fight?
ho u checked only exsanguinate there?
there is everything actually
split sorrel
What are you talking about @lofty atlas ?
vivid siren
Aethys, does the current nightly have the changes to AP?
I can see the boots are in but I cant see anything for ap
split sorrel
It is, it is just hardcoded because spell data are integer only, so 3.5 doesn't work.
vivid siren
ah, that sucks
split sorrel
I guess they will make it 35 or 350 and divide by 10 or 100. We'll see in some hours.
night stream
am I reading this right, Symbiote neck is now BIS ledge??
Symbiote neck and Shoulders ?
Talking ST
Sin - AP/ Exang
Christ ignore that - they're alphabetical
split sorrel
Symbiote neck ?
maiden cargo
actually simming with ep/ex higher than mop/ap .. and the ap hotfix to 3.5 isnt included ? 😮
inland comet
with new nerf at boots 3xMA still best?
sleek moss
might be a noob question to ask, but is there a special mark up tag for simming multiple characters at once? Damage difference when simming them independently is huge.
split sorrel
just put all actor together, i.e. each "rogue=" part in the same file @sleek moss
sleek moss
that's what I did. pasted the export of my dh and my rogue from the addon into one file. Or did I missunderstand your answer? >:
like this
rogue="Valeeriâ"
level=110
[...]
demonhunter="Anjeeria"
level=110
[...]
it's good this way
sleek moss
okay, thanks for you help 😃
inland comet
@split sorrel with new nerf at boots 3xMA still best?
split sorrel
who knows
my opinion is it all depends on what will be CoF, altough I don't think 3 MA will be good unless it let you having a really good vendetta timing
like for Exsang
inland comet
better switch to rupture dmg 😦
sly scroll
Neck enchant question : in order to simulate 'mark of the trained soldier', would you just put 'enchant=600mastery' or 'enchant=mark_of_trained_soldier' ?
(The second doesn't seem to work)
nova girder
Is there a difference?
maiden cargo
the enchant called mark of THE trained and not mark of trained soldier
prime tide
hey Aethys I looked at you legenrady simulation numbers and I was wondering why the Insignia of ravenhold was resulting in a near 7% dmg increase on ST. Is there something I am missing here?
maiden cargo
aethys works the leg trinket correctly in simc or there are some issues ?
split sorrel
no
it was nerfed then partially reverted
while all others are nerfed
so of course it went up
#blizzardthings
the aoe proc works on your primary target ^^
@maiden cargo kil'jaeden ?
maiden cargo
yeah
split sorrel
I think it's fine, I have to add it
but tbh, I shoud have abandoned the spreadsheet some time ago, but since I didn't finished the new version I partially updated it
so yeah it's missing some fancy things, relics, trinkets, tiers, ...
maiden cargo
dropped last night .. but feels not mighty on st .. boots/insignia seems to good
split sorrel
because it's not worth adding it
prime tide
if you take a look at the guarm logs for players with the ring the dmg % of the ring proc is around 3%. So I was just wondering what the 7% was is relation to. Thats the part that leaves me a little confused
maiden cargo
i watched some combats .. insignia still between 5-8% of my dmg
prime tide
yeah i was refering to the Sin simulation specifically the poison build
lofty atlas
@split sorrel i m talking about the Simcraft u gave us with T19, according to it the best spec is ex (exsanguinate i guess)
split sorrel
@lofty atlas prolly old then, didn't shown a new one since a long time
you remind me something
😄
run sub leggos with T19
pure sluice
is sim undervauling Versatilty for sub ?
hard kettle
@split sorrel the sims on aethys.eu show that otl is way strong than ap mp sin, is this correct?
pure sluice
@split sorrel is sim undervauling Versatilty for sub ?
split sorrel
@hard kettle it is if you like world of true bearing
no why ? @pure sluice
Insignia ?
dense tide
any updated sims for tier sets/trinkets?
split sorrel
For those wondering how they nerfed Agonizing Poison, they applied a -12% modifier to each stack (instead of -12.5%)
so you'll gain a little bit of dps in the next simc update
rotund oak
I made 2 small changes to Assa's APL, first to only cast Kingsbane with Envenom up, and second to maintain Rupture with any CP, if it isn't on the target yet
Second change fixed the weird opener SimCraft did
split sorrel
@rotund oak share it with @wet turtle , I know he's working on it
or here, or with me, or on github
😄
rotund oak
actions.maintain+=/kingsbane,if=buff.envenom.up&(talent.exsanguinate.enabled&dot.rupture.exsanguinated)|buff.envenom.up&(!talent.exsanguinate.enabled&(debuff.vendetta.up|buff.envenom.up&cooldown.vendetta.remains>10))
actions.maintain=rupture,if=!dot.rupture.ticking|(talent.nightstalker.enabled&stealthed.rogue)|(talent.exsanguinate.enabled&((combo_points>=cp_max_spend&cooldown.exsanguinate.remains<1)|(!ticking&(time>10|combo_points>=2+artifact.urge_to_kill.enabled))))
This is what i did, gained me a little over 10k, first time i did something like this, if i can do anything better/different please tell ^^
split sorrel
good ty
rotund oak
Btw for Opener, no matter what i did, Garrote-Rupture-Mut, Garrote-Mut-Rup, Vanish-Rup before Vendetta or after, fully deplete Energy or just to ~40, everything was within a few hundred DPS
winter wraith
not demanding, but is the simc updated for changes today, or will there be an update later?
molten pelican
@crisp grotto so exsng generally better?
split sorrel
I heard there will be a new release today (not nightly, release)
@rotund oak yes that was my finding aswell some time ago
opener doesn't matter much as long as it makes sense
regal agate
somone earlyer sayed the 40% finality for anticipation got fixed, i cant confirm but its maybe intressting still
regal agate
ah thanks
late willow
So it looks like Kiljaedens burning wish isnt hitting for the correct amount in Simc
Its also not affected by vendetta
On target dummy its about 790k - 880k and in the sims it shows it for 630k
split sorrel
IIRC, only Ago modify it
Vendetta is working with whilelist, so doubt it's the reason
might be something else
split sorrel
what do you call recent build ?
late willow
nightly one from this morning
2017-01-17 06:42
Its definitely affected on live by ago
The trinket kind of feels underwhelming
twilit horizon
Hey guys new to simc here, where can I see my stat priority when i sim myself?
late willow
For AP
What I linked before was for Exsang
but on live its hitting for 1mil+ with AP and 800k with Exsang
split sorrel
@late willow (11:05:22 AM) Collision: biggest thing i see is that they didn't increase the damage of kiljaedens
are you US ?
late willow
Is that a commit to simc that they didnt buff it on live or that they didnt put it in simc?
Yeah US
split sorrel
there is 2 thing
either they buffed it but din't mention
either they didn't and it's just not working on ago multiplier
but according to ur table, it is affected by ago on simc
late willow
Can I drop the saved html in here for you?
stoic raven
yo uh
wtf happened that made outlaw rise so much on http://simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T19M.html
stoic raven
as in nerf to the other classes?
split sorrel
and maybe something wrong somewhere
stoic raven
cause it jumped like 20k dps from last night
heavy aspen
maiden cargo
maybe they fixed outlaw aura?
split sorrel
sub is at the same place
what outlaw aura ?
@late willow may you take logs on wcl and show me them pls ?
late willow
Yeah sure Im in some timewalking but I will have them soon
split sorrel
ok ty
placid echo
hey guys, im getting Blue screens on both 64 and 32, do u know any fix?
before it was 64 only and 32 was fix for me, but now im getting crash on both :/
naive birch
@split sorrel , on your spreadsheet, are bars median or mean?
maiden cargo
wasnt outlaw aura bugged where it wasnt providing 16% on some spells?
split sorrel
@maiden cargo probably, need someone to check it out
naive birch
min/max at 1 std dev?
or something... nevermind, i really just wanted to make sure that was median and not average
split sorrel
no, "true" min and "true" max
everywhere it shows average/mean on simc
is in fact median
naive birch
thx
split sorrel
@late willow do not forget logs
lofty atlas
so exsanguinate is back on the top again guys?
twilit horizon
Wondering the same @lofty atlas i'm at work can't sim now
vast token
where the fuck do i get a trinket list for nighthold ???
rugged oyster
@split sorrel are your sims with or without setboni?
little pier
Any idea if simcraft is updated properly? Some people in my guild are seeing some unexpected results. myself, too.
odd sedge
http://simc.aethys.eu/discord_rog_all_t19m_1t_aa-4-3x-30-10_legendaries.html aethys is this mature enough? Or do you consider there is some work to be done etc? (large stuff to fix, ofc it can always be perfected)
autumn terrace
!aethys
split sorrel
no because no tier set
it just gives a rough idea
@little pier what version ? what class/spec ? rogue should be okay with latest nightly
little pier
running 715-01, downloaded it this morning
I was just curious because it has Insignia of Ravenholdt simming over Duskwalker Footpads, even with 3 x MA relics, so it seemed odd.
steady sleet
@split sorrel i'm getting mastery as my highest simming stat as exsang... and i'm at 100% mastery already
gray olive
Is a ~50-55k DPS loss normal for MP/AP after these nerfs? Was simming at almost 570k before, downloaded the newest SimC an I'm barely scratching 520k now...
mystic jacinth
RIP assassination. go outlaw, lots of add fights
gray olive
no
little pier
@steady sleet I'm getting the same, Mastery > Versa, at 36 crit 127 mast
glossy lynx
@odd sedge, do you have trinket sims for sub?
dense tide
that's definitly multi target
odd sedge
or well maybe it is, weird nomenclature
wanton shell
guy ssorry for my asking but how are sin sims lookiing in comparison to before the hotfixes?
tough heath
What is the ID for crit and vers enchants in Simc?
lament citrus
does the latest nightly build work properly with CoF trinket for sub? the 875 version sims 25k+ dps compared to 885 socketed memento? can this be posible?
naive birch
if the proc rates are right
lament citrus
does the ilvl affect proc rate or only flat agi?
kindred epoch
Is the latest Night build from 2 hours ago fine for rogue ?
maiden cargo
Prolly just agi simy but I don't think anyone can confirm yet
desert oasis
it may be too high lol
eager current
!stjern
hoary juniper
!stjern
eager current
!help
hoary juniper
!help
quartz matrix
so, I just installed the latest nightly and it's giving me the same results as before....granted I don't have boots but the AP nerf should be a noticeable drop in dps for MP/AP build, right? or is the AP nerf not in the latest nightly yet?
trail jolt
!trinkets
graceful perch
Is there a simcraft for trinkets?
maiden cargo
Rocket the Ap nerf has been in nightlys since friday or so
eager current
just me or the pawn string gone from 7.1.5-01 build?
maiden cargo
you have to re enable scaling
eager current
ah yes, ty
dense tide
are there updated sims for nh tier/ trinkets?
autumn jungle
idle harbor
!aethys
eager current
do i run vers enchant and crit gems for EP-Vigor-Exsa build? or all in crit ?
idle harbor
what version of simc are you guys using?
maiden cargo
the newest
idle harbor
from the original site?
idle harbor
weird. I got the new Vendetta cd trinket but my dps is the same
should be quite a big upgrade
torpid elm
prob isn't in the sim right
idle harbor
maybe its because of the AP nerf
idle harbor
what talents are you using?
idle harbor
Alright ty
maiden cargo
I can pm you a screenie of my sims in about an hour
idle harbor
Im suprised I only do 465k as 885 27% crit 135% mastery
I got the back and kil'jaeden's
maiden cargo
thats weird, im doing about 500k with bracers and sephuz
idle harbor
actually it might be because my weapon is lvl 31