Ok. So I definitely should enable this on every simcraft right ?
#tc-research
shadow lance
unkempt sail
Ep/ap still simming higher then almost any other talent combination, is this just due to weird gear situation?
hard hull
Who else is simming 10k~ highesr with vigor? w/ AP/MP
shadow steppe
depends on stats
maiden cargo
if you spec vigor you need to change the APL for +4 envenoms to see more gain
shadow lance
Where do you sim 7.1.5?
shadow steppe
nightly release
windows only though
its on the simcraft page above the download
should be in blue
thorn scarab
Im at 35% crit, 123% mast, 7% vers while having an eye of command with a nightbane chest, so i'm not sure where i stand, i'll try to run both and see whats better i suppose.
plain gulch
I'm simming +18k with MP, Vigor, and AP over EP, DS, and AP with combo points simming at 2.432
outer canopy
Where do you see the CP simming>?
Combat End Resource Mean Min Max
Energy 23.84 0.01 113.99
Combo Points 2.38 0.00 6.00
Is this what u are referring to?
plain gulch
Under resources tab.
left finch
715-01 is the proper version to use right?
plain gulch
Looks like that means that that is the average combo points for using combo generators because it reads for resource usage Rupture 5 and Envenom 5 for the average
hard hull
how much crit should we go for w/ MP/vior/ap? i sim myself higher whe ni remove crit enchants
obtuse crypt
Anyone know if SnD is going to be a DPS increase over RotB ever?
wanton shell
holy shit fiery pls put some limitation on this channel of some kind
no offence ofc
at least for the next couple of days
proven dawn
I'm trying to figure out the right course of action
Discord's moderation tools for big channels are basically non-existant
wanton shell
i would be happy to be able to read posts only from trusted and above for the next couple of days on the simc page tbh
hard hull
how much crit should we go for w/ MP/vior/ap? i sim myself higher whe ni remove crit enchants
wanton shell
@hard hull this is a question that should be addressed to simple-questions underbelly or general-moderated 😃
radiant creek
So the consensus seems to be that MP is good even if your mastery is only 100%
hallow mortar
So with 3 vendetta relics + duskwalker's footpads, vendetta's cooldown is now 72 seconds. Before the nerf, it was 60 seconds. When running SimC, it uses Vendetta at 0:04.019 seconds, 1:38.788, then 2:27.055, then again at 3:15.245. Even before the nerf, this is more often than once a minute (49 seconds in fact), any idea why that would be? since it's not even possible
left notch
@hallow mortar can you screenshot that or send me the html file?
flat herald
what is the latest version of simc, is it 710-03?
hallow mortar
@left notch on it
@left notch http://bleedo.net/vendetta_broken.html
@left notch I'm basing that off the "Sample Sequence Table" I assume that's correct
left notch
vendetta every 47.83sec
hallow mortar
@torn dome vendetta cd is 72 seconds today, 60 seconds pre-nerf, and it's using it ever 45-50 seconds, so either way it's wrong heh
tawny fulcrum
you got boots
torn dome
have you read what the boots do?
tawny fulcrum
it does
torn dome
show me how it doesnt
hallow mortar
I'll recalculate on a bigger napkin 😛
flat herald
is weapon master seriously a 25k dps increase over master of sub or is that just my character or something?
tiny lodge
Its like a 6k dps increase for my character
keen fox
could someone sim my stat weights for me? I have a mac
minor sorrel
how do i sim a relic at a specific ilvl without actually putting it in my weapon
feral crystal
!help
How To Sim Yourself: https://goo.gl/YACUkz Download SimulationCraft at https://simulationcraft.org/
@minor sorrel
keen fox
they dont have a mac release yet for 7.1.5
feral crystal
Have you checked the nightly builds? I don't use Mac so I'm not really sure
proven dawn
Mac nightlys are a little slower to come out generally
hallow mortar
@keen fox paste your /simc output to pastebin or something and I'll do it
keen fox
http://pastebin.com/F8ewBBbb thanks a lot
hallow mortar
@keen fox simming now, give it a few minutes, scales are slow
desert oasis
M] Bleedo: So with 3 vendetta relics + duskwalker's footpads, vendetta's cooldown is now 72 seconds.
my cd is 2:00
im so mad
hallow mortar
@keen fox http://bleedo.net/humanman.html
keen fox
thanks
hallow mortar
Np
dry bison
Is the sin soft crit cap still 43% with the stat squish?
wide hawk
no
dry bison
What is it now?
feral crystal
Would be determined by how you sim with your current gear
proven dawn
This is the 2nd time I've heard about some so-called assn crit cap but what it is from? There aren't any obvious mechanics that would create a crit cap
grizzled zinc
more of a self imposed crit cap? :p
proven dawn
Then that isn't a crit cap and you shouldn't call it that, natural crit devaluation due to mechanics will be handled by generating stat weights in simc
iron elk
CP generation from mutilate is linear, so more is better
only the variance has a maximum at 50%,
proven dawn
Right hence why using the term cap makes no sense, a cap is where the stat stops benefitting you, for instance the white crit cap where all white hits crit, this seems to be more of a point people have anecdotally noted a reduction and built a rule of thumb, which has value but it isn't a "cap"
feral crystal
More of an inflection point perhaps? Or used to be
torn dome
The more of a stat you get the less the next point is going to give you
Just how math works in games like these
torn solar
The build of simc I just downloaded says it's for 7.1.0 as "live" data. How do you get 7.1.5?
feral crystal
I would try a nightly build
torn solar
How do you get that? The link I tried to follow took me to a dump page with over a hundred files on it, none of them particularly indexed
ah, I see the subtle differences now
nevermind
feral crystal
Yeah have a look at the release date on it. They are in different formats as well
storm osprey
So I'm using Simc 715-01 most recent version. Noticing its still recommending me to go Crit Vers as Exang build vs Crit Mastery by quite a bit. Is this occuring for others too? Because I thought the nerf to Vers was suppose to easily push vers into the third position.
maiden cargo
Do you know if the snd changes are live for sim yet?
feral crystal
Simc should have all 715 changes in it. Bugs and undocumented issues not withstanding. I would however use a nightly build as I'm not sure about the official build yet
Try not to cross post mate
torn kettle
Once you download simulationcraft, do you need to redownload as it gets updated?
feral crystal
Yes
I usually download latest build, do a boat load of simming with gear I've collected, then do it again when I either get a priority upgrade piece, like a high ilvl CoF or something or when I've collected a few pieces of gear
ashen crater
Can you export the results of each of the ~10,000 simulations done in one run to excel?
mellow carbon
so i've got a 32 second vendetta cooldown on live right now
like, not taking into account boots. Just 32 seconds flat.
then i watched and the CD only started at 32 after i used it
late willow
Oh maybe bug from earlier with no cd vendetta
feral crystal
Consider yourself blessed for a short amount of time lol
lofty ice
Can I trust the simc builds uploaded so far? i'm pretty new at it so sorry if my question is a little dumb
feral crystal
@mellow carbon sucked in lol
@lofty ice using the nightly builds covers the changes as best we know. Bugs and undocumented issues not withstanding
lofty ice
ohh thanks man c:
mellow carbon
i got a simc question
i see people sometimes pasting in here the charts with error bars comparing more than one sim
how do you plot those?
late willow
You can save your profile in a ".simc" file
and then call it and have a list of changes to that profile and then call it again with other changes in the simulate tab
feral crystal
I'm yet to fiddle with that stuff yet. Interested in figuring it out myself
mellow carbon
thanks dood
will give it a go
still waiting on a nightly for macOS looks like unless i'm being dumb and cant find itr
i'd use my pc but work macbook has a lot more horsepower to iterate faster
torn solar
Ohh THAT'S how you compare builds
I sat for almost an hour trying to figure out how to do anything other than sim my current build and gear
Finally just got pissed off and decided I wasn't going to play tonight
torn solar
No, I just couldn't find strong consensus on new spec info with the patch
Folks here saying one talent set is best, I-V saying another, AMR suggesting the old one is still best...
torn solar
Tried to do homework while at work so I could come home and get set up, but failing that I resolved to come back and set up simc and couldn't get it to do anything other than show my current stuff
sly yoke
probably be updated tomorrow
sly yoke
yeah i was stomping with mp vig
mellow carbon
mouse what's your mastery at
torn solar
Yeah I know, it was just frustrating because everything here is like "do your own Sims!!!" but it wasn't working for me
mellow carbon
i'm only like 38/109
quartz halo
25/165 ;p
mellow carbon
i'm pretty scrub ilvl sitting at 871 though, my guild isn't large enough to run mythic
sly yoke
yeah im up at 885
torn solar
How much mastery per % now? Wondering how far I'll swing after i switch gems and enchants
sinful quartz
100 i think
torn solar
Whoa so I'll gain like... 20%
eternal flint
I thought it was 400
torn kettle
with vigor, what do you do if your at 4 CP
feral crystal
Use finisher
torn kettle
and want to refresh rupture or do envenom
torn kettle
simulationcraft site only had 7.1 not 7.1.5 version?
thick phoenix
look for the nightly builds
strong rune
can always compile from source if you want the hottest latest shit
outer stump
was the rtb_reroll string changed for simplicity? every time I sim myself with the 7.1 rtb_reroll string, bit more complex, I come out ~3% ahead with less rng... am i missing something?
though my gear isn't top-end, if that string is better for more gear i dunno
coarse grove
I am using the nightly build and my Outlaw sims seem off
600K dps
how do I see the rotation the sim is using
sly yoke
action priority list
strong gorge
@coarse grove , scroll down to as xMouse said "Action Priority List" tab. And you can see it a bit clearer. If you want a sample, expand "Sample Squence Table" and you'll see one run in event fort. You can also in the bottom expand the "Profile" tab to see the whole apl used for the sim.
strong gorge
A bit low on time, but for some pointers of where to start looking
how I would do the analysis: Check where your damage sources, your buff uptimes, your debuff uptimes(I see rupture is quite low), your amount of usages of each ability, your energy/combo points wasted etc and for comparison use a simulation in simc of you and set the fight length to the same.
If anything differs much try to find out why it differs and from that you can see what you do different and if it's something you wish to work on and change
You can also check out http://roguedpsguide.com/log-analysis-how-do-i-do-it/
coarse grove
That table is actually really helpful
I am only using BTE when I have blunderbuss
it seems like this does it on CD
split sorrel
@outer stump no leggo ?
coarse grove
@warped sequoia there was a post. basically legendary boots = MA relics
else the rupture damage
outer stump
@split sorrel ravenholdt ring only
split sorrel
@outer stump then adding 2+SiW is a little bit better when u don't have bracers/mantle
outer stump
@split sorrel much better for me thx a bunch, better than the old one too
split sorrel
I'll have to change it
aswell as the MA thing because Blizzard like stealth changes
raven tulip
What's the go to relic if you don't have assassination boots?
split sorrel
This channel is not the place for questions about gearing strategy nor feeling about changes.
The patch is really new and Blizzard did a lot of stealth changes, you'll have to wait some time until we have all the infos needed.
warped sequoia
How is the sims with the new shoulders?
have anyone tried it?
even looted it?:P
split sorrel
Model should be okay for Assa and Outlaw, about Sub there is a subtlety (ahaha) that I need to add to make it matching its in-game behavior
wanton shell
guys where can i find in simc the point where i need to swap the 5cp rup with 4+. im kind of lost right now
surreal bobcat
any idea about wich part for 4p t19 we have to get?
pure condor
nightly builds
regal agate
late jetty
anyone know how good the new legendaries are? any sims out for them yet i just got the legendary trink
et
regal agate
mantle seems rly good
kindred epoch
@split sorrel Sorry if it's already been asked but is simb build for assa is ok in the nighty build ? Or does still need work ?
warped sequoia
i dont know, people might be lying about it but, some people say they sim like 570-580k
as assassination
dont know how they sim tho
lost river
I sim 590k+ 300 sec as asn
regal agate
it depends on your legendary's and spec
warped sequoia
yeah
limpid lynx
warped sequoia
go to general moderated 😄
lost river
Boots and Insignia, will post more when I'm home
snow tinsel
I have an ilvl 895 il'genoth trinket and 880 ursoc trinket with mastery gem , They currently sim the highest for me. I also have an 865 ilvl angerboda with gem,875 urn, tiranton's betrayal 870, a karazhan trinket 860 and Guarm ilvl 875 trinket with crit. Yet everyone says the karazhan trinket is the best. Can someone explain
magic wyvern
I got belt and boots, but haven't simmed my gear yet
snow tinsel
I'm MP/vigor/AP specc btw
magic wyvern
I have Bloodthirsty instinct 90 and Memonto 870, and I currently think those are best
lost river
Around 95% mastery and 40%crit with 3MA runing MP/Vigor/AP
spice vault
yo currently i have the 7.1.0 release 3 of simc, should i download the nightly build to sim myself after the changes of 7.1.5? is that up to date?
regal agate
yes its up to date. you should download the latest nightly (http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/)
spice vault
cheers
feral crystal
is anyone able to help me figure out how to set up the comparison of several different sims?
steel moss
is simc updated for 7.1.5 ?
regal agate
cain you can answer your question if you read 4 lines aboth
feral crystal
I use the .exe ones
ember gust
just the setup?
feral crystal
click, save, run it will begin to install simc, it will ask if you would like it to unintall the previous version at the same time, you say yes, follow standard install process
ember gust
thanks
odd sedge
no need to install anything just get the extractable folder you can run from
regal agate
it depends on personal preference you can either run the installer or extract the archive file.
odd sedge
of course, but since you tend to get new one at least weekly, I always found it better to get the extractable
feral crystal
Anyone able to help me figure out how to compare several sims to one another?
regal agate
as sub?
feral crystal
surprising
wanton shell
1 2 min fight
2 3 min fights
and 1 1:20
all of them dungeons
unbuffed
no food no flask no pot
simple geyser
daaamn
simple geyser
but will it outperform AP doe
wanton shell
on short fights i believe so
regal agate
this channel is about simulations and simulation related questions you might want to move the discussion to #228878985210101760
wanton shell
yes ure right
im soryr
feel free to delete it
i just wanted to see if any theorycrafters knew why it could go that high
regal agate
low fight lenghs make your dps higher. if you run higher m+ you should know that.
silent perch
velvet crown
where do you get 7.1.5 updated simcraft?
stark sentinel
cursive wharf
pure condor
is the outlaw apl updated already?
and is simc able to accurately sim mfd? for instance how often is mfd gonna be cast if you have 1 boss and 5 adds spawn every 30 seconds or something like that
merry cloud
Depends on how you code it
robust turret
before my simc gives the results it crashes everytime
did this happened to anyone else?
thick phoenix
reinstall myb
pure condor
what do you mean @merry cloud im not coding anything
covert trout
whats the % crit u go for and whats a good value for mastery ~
robust turret
myb?
merry cloud
You asked about MfD and adds. If you code them to spawn and die at the same time it will be casted once. If adds die with some time interval then MfD will casted more often
robust turret
@thick phoenix myb?
pure condor
do you happen to know how hecticaddcleave and heltherskelter are coded?
merry cloud
Wiki knows
pure condor
the newest one
torpid knoll
on top then
pure condor
@merry cloud hmm not really sure what to do with that. but im running into weird mfd usages regardless
torpid knoll
where am i supposed to extract this ?.
oh ok i got it
does this work for every class ?
strong gorge
It should yes. Dps-wise at least
However, how much the different communities have worked on their APLs, I'm uncertain. It's better to ask each specific community about that
pure condor
rosvall do you know if the outlaw apl is up to date?
strong gorge
The M_NH standard profile for outlaw was updated 9 days ago
pure condor
are you talking about mfd?
because im running into weird amount of mfd casts for my sims
strong gorge
@split sorrel did you change the reroll RTB logics?
(I saw you using it as an example in mod chat earlier this week or last)
split sorrel
yes it's TB|3+ but I should add something because without mantle nor greenskin 2+SiW should be added
strong gorge
Ah okey. I haven't really looked into the outlaw apl changes in months
wild thicket
Rogues, 860 EOC with chest vs Hofthepack 880...which wins?
strong gorge
(And ir's not obvious from the change log)
Of T19M_NH, but it's probably in T19M or somthing
Oh I see it
generate profiles 11 days ago
robust turret
my simc crashes when it gets to the results and doesnt show them, did this happened to anyone else?
pure condor
somethings fishy with mfd/tb in the apl or im missing something in rotation changes in 1target to 2targets
strong gorge
What is fishy? And does the sim have an add spawn event?
pure condor
i have higher tb uptime / more mfd casts on 1 target than on 2 target with both being patchwerk
strong gorge
Which is kinda the only thing affecting mfd casts (minus less energy -> lower chance of TB)
pure condor
i ran multiple sims
patchwerk
1t: 21.83 MFD Casts 74.34% TB Uptime
1t: 21.84 MFD Casts 74.35% TB Uptime Rerun
2t: 20.98 MFD Casts 73.83% TB Uptime
3t: 20.95 MFD Casts 73.76% TB Uptime
5t: 20.97 MFD Casts 73.75% TB Uptime
pastel sundial
btw is the apl right if you play with mp? we just checked and it seems it uses at 5cp+ (which is 5 cp always) rather than 4+
pure condor
but maybe im missing something
strong gorge
How many RTB casts?
pure condor
same
strong gorge
Because using BF reduces energy gain which makes it take longer time to reroll buffs
Unless you run 3x BF relics
pure condor
hmmm that could actually be it
strong gorge
(If you have some time on your hands, test simming one with 3x BF relics on 1 and 2 targets. And likely it should be the same uptimes)
pure condor
but 3bf relic dont negate the energy reg reduc of bladefurry
strong gorge
Oh, it doesn't? I was under the impression it did
pure condor
nvm is does....showed 3% per trait while its 3.33%
@strong gorge so that change got it closer. is was ~0.85 more mfd casts in 1target than 2target
now with the 3 bf relics its only (but stil) ~0.2 more casts
strong gorge
What's the difference in energy gain?
From different sources
I mean are you getting more energy from somewhere
pure condor
hmmm minor differences
1t
Resource Gains Type Count Total Average
adrenaline_rush Energy 360.14 1928.41 (23.16%) 5.35
energy_regen Energy 770.39 4399.68 (52.83%) 5.71
combat_potency Energy 112.79 1999.64 (24.01%) 17.73
2t
Resource Gains Type Count Total Average
adrenaline_rush Energy 358.22 1932.91 (23.20%) 5.40
energy_regen Energy 780.07 4406.77 (52.90%) 5.65
combat_potency Energy 112.08 1990.63 (23.90%) 17.76
3t
Resource Gains Type Count Total Average
adrenaline_rush Energy 358.19 1933.26 (23.20%) 5.40
energy_regen Energy 780.21 4408.63 (52.91%) 5.65
combat_potency Energy 112.12 1991.12 (23.89%) 17.76
pure condor
yes
strong gorge
Because the count of energy regen should be the same then
pure condor
240s with 0 var
strong gorge
Historically that didn't mean the sims ended at 240
pure condor
i edited 3target into the post above
so there has to be another difference in 1t to multi target besides bf (i did 2 and 3t with 3 bf relics and 1t with none)
silk sigil
hey little question does the simcraft version 710.3 work with this patch? cuz of the stat changes
pure condor
fatebringer...maybe
strong gorge
I don't see how
pure condor
yeh it was fatebringer. still did the 1t sim with 1 fatebringer (just used my current gear)
twin ibex
Anyone simmed bleed vs MP/AP? Is bleed better for shorter fights and MP/AP for longer ones?
pure condor
@strong gorge i hope your still here
just did the same thing with hecticaddcleave sims
after adjusting the relics for 1t and multi targets
hac
1t: 13.92 MFD Casts 73.91% TB Uptime
1t: 13.91 MFD Casts 73.81% TB Uptime Rerun
2t: 22.86 MFD Casts 74.45% TB Uptime
3t: 22.85 MFD Casts 74.38% TB Uptime
5t: 22.85 MFD Casts 74.32% TB Uptime
wheres the difference now lol
pure condor
but add spawn at the same time
strong gorge
actions.cds+=/marked_for_death,target_if=min:target.time_to_die,if=target.time_to_die<combo_points.deficit|((raid_event.adds.in>40|buff.true_bearing.remains>15)&combo_points.deficit>=4+talent.deeper_strategem.enabled+talent.anticipation.enabled)
pure condor
the amount of targets just stands for the amount of bosses that are alive for the full fight and all hit 0% at the same time
adds come into it with
Raid Event List
0 adds,count=5,first=15,cooldown=22,duration=15,last=225
strong gorge
Oh, I misthought
Sitting with workstuff
Okey mh
well, doesn't seem utilize resets in the other ones
pure condor
yeah because bosses die at the same time
and amount of adds is the same for all sims
pure condor
hmm can really make out the difference in sample runs
might ask later again if more are online
sonic root
hey folks , what about 7.1.5 stats priority?
sly scroll
Doesn't change
sonic root
i got 40
% crit , 120 % mastery and 10 % vers
was have
now im thinking about reduce amount of vers to take more crit
pure condor
you might wanna go to #228879234540503040 to get that answered and specify your spec
fast badger
Is it safe to use stat weights from simulation craft? Or do I need to wait until a 7.1.5 update is out?
odd sedge
alacrity is simming higher for me in hectic add cleave even tho the guide says cannonball is better now
left finch
Tarakaos you could use the nightly build to sim
odd sedge
by almost 100k
maiden cargo
how to download newest version of simc?
regal agate
maiden cargo
ty
flat herald
am i able to run correct sims for the current patch by enabling the PTR setting?
or is simc supposed to be already updated for "live"
maiden cargo
quick
flat herald
i have version 710-03
heavy wadi
anyone done any testing on AP since the %age buff? i've never used it (I use Exsanguinate) but wondering if i'm going to have to swap 😛
hidden wharf
ran all the build with different relic types and MP/AP does way more dmg. either with rupture dmg relics or MA relics. Anyone who can also confirm that?
heavy wadi
interesting. have always seen a very two sided debate between AP and Exsanguinate
just kinda stuck with what I know, until now anyway
hidden wharf
it depends on your gear, but since crit has been dunked crit/vers for exsa build will also be exchanged with mp/ap in m+ with legy cloak.
heavy wadi
yeah was a bit disappointed in my crit when i checked in this morning
i'm 34% crit / 11% haste / 107% mastery
was 40% crit yesterday >.<
hidden wharf
yeah, but just stack mastery and you'll be fine. or versa gear with nighthold coming. and I also assume, that there will be a couple of hotfixes in the next 1-2 weeks. so dont bother re-equipping everything now
30% crit is fine. even going lower. mastery is all you need with MP/AP and I run 100k dps more in raids now.
heavy wadi
yeah like i said, MP/AP isn't something i've dabbled in thus far.
might have to check it out - assume it'll be just as competitive in M+ (I don't really raid)
cos i assume for trash you drop AP for DP anyway no?
hidden wharf
didn't test m+ (10+) yet, but as the poison bomb drops just go insane this could be true. in 10+ with fortified I we run the AP build as the adds live long enough
left notch
midnight pier
so outlaw is dead i guess
left notch
please keep this kind of discussion in #228878985210101760
boreal lark
is there any way to refresh what my character is wearing and such without using the in game addon?
bright valve
actions.maintain+=/kingsbane,if=(talent.exsanguinate.enabled&dot.rupture.exsanguinated)|(!talent.exsanguinate.enabled&(debuff.vendetta.up|cooldown.vendetta.remains>10))
This line in simcraft. does that mean wait for vendetta cooldown if the cooldown is longer than 10 seconds left?
or how do i interpret that line
or it uses kingsbane when its more than 10 seconds left of vendetta cooldown
obsidian dome
karmic torrent
next knot
Just downloaded and installed the latest version of the nightly files.... when I sim it says that it's missing the dll files, but they're in the folder. Reinstall?
maiden cargo
@hidden wharf can confirm with all the sims I ran yesterday mp/ap sims better then any exsangs, MA relics/rupture relics, 2pc 4pc, 4pc with boots and fates trinket couldn't get exsang better then ap
iron elk
how is max dps for both talents with tierset?
maiden cargo
I only replaced my tier pieces, the trinket, bracers and boots (all other gear is my current Gear) MP/AP hit 623k exsang hit 602k
This was with the APL edited for 4+ envemon with vigor
iron elk
i mean the max dps during the encounter
if you watch the chart "xxx Damage per second" there is a function that go up and down
how much is high with AP and EX?
idle sage
master poisen is now better then EP ?
hexed knoll
is simcraft or shadowcraft updated for 7.1.5?
earnest nimbus
You guys reckon Prydaz is better than Cinidaria overall with the changes? Second legendary is Duskwalker
hexed knoll
wow i just noticed my simcraft isn't the 715-01 version but is 710-03 even though i downloaded it from within the client itself saying "download new version here"
fml -_-
solar quest
MS vs Vigor doesnt really make any difference, anyone the same calcs?
iron elk
ms?
pure condor
depends on legendaries (and rest of the gear)
solar quest
i guess its MP in english
idle sage
MP*
solar quest
thanks
iron elk
the one that impove poisons?
pure condor
mp doesnt compete with vigor tho. different talent rows
crisp pasture
Anyone got the link to the latest simulationcraft release?
I can only find 7.1.0 on simulationcraft.org
pure condor
go to nightly builds
crisp pasture
I found it, cheers
idle sage
Does Kingsbane benefit from Vendetta in 7.1.5?
regal agate
yes
idle sage
hm ok but i think its easy to line up with 3 ma reliks + boots
spice vault
ey playing sub with vigor aint all bad
wet flicker
SchleischfuS, yeah if you're lucky and got the boots.
spice vault
loose like 18k dps but it feels like they didnt kill my legendary boots
idle sage
i have the boots 😛
regal agate
the cooldown of vendetta will get lower with convergence of fates. that means with the trinket you will have old 3xMA status
steep cedar
just got the shoulders. With 3 rupture relics they sim at +20k dps
used to have sephuz
in their place
spark night
So when the boots get nerfed vigors value is gonna go up even more Ys? Ds will be totally dead at that point possibly?
If you have thr boots that is
Oops wrong channel
jaunty cliff
has anyone simmed convergence of fates?
spark night
Sorry boys
jaunty cliff
/the new trinkets
graceful drift
@idle sage idk if you were answered but MP is better the EP
maiden cargo
Guys, is there any guide on how to modify the APL for assa?
ornate canopy
Hi can anyone tell me if there is still a soft crit cap and what it is ?
for assas btw
ive dropped from 38 to 31, and have the eye of command
left finch
Crit is less important now@with the rupture change and vigor being better than DS
SO whatever amount of crit you have will be fine
pure condor
lets try my question again because a couple of hours ago nobody could answer it: i ran a couple of hectivaddcleave outlaw sims and got weird amounts of MFD casts looking at 1target sims and multiple targets sims
1t: 13.92 MFD Casts 73.91% TB Uptime
1t: 13.91 MFD Casts 73.81% TB Uptime Rerun
2t: 22.86 MFD Casts 74.45% TB Uptime
3t: 22.85 MFD Casts 74.38% TB Uptime
5t: 22.85 MFD Casts 74.32% TB Uptime
anyone know the reason for that?
ornate canopy
Ty Celadriel x
will spontaneous appendages be better of worse now than blood thirsty instinct ? Just wondering about that agility being more important now ?
split sorrel
because of raid events @pure condor check APL
left finch
Just sim it. Depends on the ilvl of both trinkets. Mastery is the best stat for most people but if you have like an 865 appendage but an 880 of something else, the other might be better anyways
fluid pewter
for you Master Poisoner or Elaborate Planning ??
pure condor
@split sorrel i dont really follow? how are add spawns and movement only effecting some sims of the same fightstyle?
ornate canopy
EP and both are 880
left finch
As much as you can grt
fluid pewter
oki I switch MP and i will test
ornate canopy
i have 123 mastery too, im gonna try it
left finch
Most have simd mastery as best stat
ornate canopy
i hate change >< im too old for it ...
split sorrel
@pure condor because there is an handler for that in the APL
that probably need to be updated
spice girder
My guild is saying sims are Broken - Yet i see this Discord going Crazy over sim results - wtf they on about? I am MP and getting better sims with the talent
anyone heard this? or seen sims being acting wierd - they just popped news to me
spice girder
guys?
regal agate
can you evaluate?
spice girder
srry?
rough fable
what i think hes trying to say is hes using the sims but they showing less results with similar specs
i too am having those was there an update with simcraft or are people simming with a different simulator?
regal agate
did you change talents?
rough fable
yes
mp with vigor
yet the results still show ep and ds dooing better than mp and vigor yet i tested this out on a dummy and proves not to be true
regal agate
you can still play ds/ep^^
rough fable
but mp and vigor showing better results in live testing
im just moving my stats around with gear but i was hoping to use simcraft to see if those changes have a massive effect
spice girder
no sorry, was mid fight
rough fable
for example 34% crit rates with 135 mastery vs 39% crit rate with 105 mastery but the crit trinket from kara
agility being around the same
spice girder
My guild is saying that sims are showing wierd results and addin stats to stuff it should'n and therefor giving away better dps scores - for one who follows my sim results it was news to me.
switched from DS and EP and my sims shows better results
Was jsut curious if any1 else heard it
pure condor
@split sorrel so mfd sims arent accurate atm ?
mortal salmon
Guys got a question. I am simming MP/AP/Vigor and have higher results than EP/AP/Vigor even tho i only have 8k mastery unbuffed. Is that reallylegit?
left finch
Why wouldn't it be? Crit isn't as important anymore
left finch
Yea but ep isn't better for most people now
mortal salmon
But just 3% decrease on EP is not exscusable for MP to be better even tho its not capped
split sorrel
@pure condor it depends
mortal salmon
Also i got another Question, Do i keep SoT up ALL the time or only on Vendetta Kingsbane and BoTa???
left finch
We won't be spamming finisher as often because crit is less important due to rupture no longer scaling dmg on combo points
Envenom at 4-5 cp and keep sot 100% during cds
Is what most people are recommending
left finch
It's floating around, stjern has one I'm not familiar enough to repeat it
Don't want to give bad info on accidebt
pure condor
@split sorrel because @green wolf guide says that mfd performs better in every! scenario while my sims show dfa pulling ahead as soon as its not pure single target
green wolf
That is not right
pure condor
actually both patchwerk 1t and helterskelter 1t MFD sims higher. so atleast not only pure ST
ivory hamlet
So nowdays when u have a nice amount of mastery MP is better than EP but u u need to get a good uptime on SoT how do u guys track SoT?
maiden cargo
I have the lastest simc. Does it sim mark of the trained soldier correctly?
@ivory hamlet weakaura
mortal salmon
Guys i got another question. So with MP/EP/Vig do we ever pool energy now? (other than vanish rupt)
maiden cargo
MP/EP is on same tree
inland plaza
I have been trying to use 4-5 envenoms with 70+ energy
mortal salmon
Why shall u pool ?
what benefit do you get by pooling since there is no EP?
Its not flat dmg increase so u can follow up with Envenom its poison application
Does BoT has higher proc chance?
maiden cargo
pekoto, this chat is for simulationcraft, that topic belongs in underbelly or simple questions
pure condor
@green wolf @split sorrel actually i just noticed that the google doc sims are already updated and reflect that mfd is only better on almost pure st. so nvm about my confussion there. just not sure how accurat mfd sims are if a handler might need updating
mortal salmon
okay sorry then
split sorrel
what google doc ? @pure condor
atomic yew
so, simcraft is telling me my outlaw should stack agi>vers>haste=crit>mastery. but i don't want any haste. what to do 😟
split sorrel
😃
atomic yew
nobody else got this problem? 😅
round canyon
@atomic yew haste should drop considerably in value once you have the 2p/4p
if that makes you feel any better
atomic yew
😄 i do hope so
open vapor
why dont you want haste
left notch
the bot isn't intended to be used here
atomic yew
oh, went afk for a bit, why should a rogue want haste? above all outlaw, which caps energy durin AR anyways
strong rune
any thoughts on shadowmeld racial with new legendary mantle?
by conjecture i'd imagine it's pretty strong
does it trigger it? has anyone tested?
turns shadowmeld into 2m CD for 6s of 100% crit
left notch
i beleive it was tested and it did not trigger it, but i am not positive
atomic yew
i guess you need to enter 'normal' stealth after meld-ing, if this is possible in a raid
fast badger
Im rather impressed, I wanted to run a sim of every single talent combination possible aside from ones that dont increase my DPS. SImulationcraft is currently running 243 sims thanks to the Automation tool. Granted its running slow but the fact it can handle it is very impressive.
rugged wren
any updates on our broken relics? hehe
left notch
hm? btw guys #228878985210101760 is gonna be better for most questions
hushed vale
where can i go to ask about logs
naive bloom
are there plans to add SnD sims to simcraft? or does it lack too much behind to be of any relevance?
maiden cargo
its behind by about 20-30k dps
i can post my sims if you want
generally not worth using unless you really hate rtb
especially if you have greenskins
For the https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=E269C12457D12FAC!117&ithint=file%2Cxlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!AHxBKV_biTNzfRY is dfa really best single target sub talent?
vagrant knoll
grats
humble tendon
ty 😮
atomic yew
mh, i wouldn't wanna get this one
don't like vanish beeing/becomming a dps cooldown, but grats anyway 😃
maiden cargo
Wrong chat guys
vagrant knoll
right, sorry
orchid solar
does anyone know if when calculating stat weights using center scale delta is more accurate than not? i ran one of each with everything else the same and the stat weights are fairly different
daring coral
Hey, does anyone know if EP/Vigor is better than MP/Vigor around 100% mastery?
The mac version of simcraft hasn't been released yet, so I'm running on word of mouth atm
left finch
most poeple simming higher w/ mp at basically any mastery level (unless they have very high crit 40+)
lavish imp
Would stat weight provided my new simc be reliable enough to use in pawn so early ? Crit drop on an item and still says + 10 %
crude flame
Pawn stat weights are all over the place for me depending on currently equipped gear, don't really know what to trust.
static flax
is vigor confirmed better for assasin?
gaunt pelican
hey can you add 4pc NH bonus to a sim without adding the individual pieces of gear?
dark arch
is the new version of simc accurate for the new patch yet?
left notch
the bot was disabled in this channel. you can use it anywhere else
@gaunt pelican don't think you can
dark arch
Is stablized energy pendant bis 5% energy neck for sub now?
outer stump
is there an easy way to get the scale factor of each individual RTB buff? something like stat scaling I suppose
twin ibex
Trying to sim the different combinations of prepotting and potting, are these correct?
copy=2prolonged
actions.precombat+=/potion,name=prolonged_power
actions.cds=potion,name=prolonged_power,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=25|debuff.vendetta.up
copy=prolongedold
actions.precombat+=/potion,name=prolonged_power
copy=oldprolonged
actions.cds=potion,name=prolonged_power,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=25|debuff.vendetta.up
pure condor
im not sure but you could just check the uptime in results
twin ibex
Found a workaround, just simmed them separately. Copies weren't working
feral crystal
How do you go about comparing multiple sims against each other?
twin ibex
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/2t5rv9/guide_part_3_how_to_compare_gear_sets_using/
5 min fight
558633 2 oldwar
557533 old-prolonged
556968 prolonged-oldwar
554645 2 prolonged
10 min fight
539915 2 oldwar
538763 old-prolonged
538570 prolonged-oldwar
537247 2 prolonged
Anyone getting similar results?
pure condor
spec
twin ibex
MP/Vigor/AP
maiden cargo
for simming openers i would use a short duration fight and a sequence apl line right @split sorrel ? i wanted to test garotte envenom vs the standard one now
feral crystal
@twin ibex thank you, going to read through that whole serious
kind relic
is there an update for the desktop simulation craft app?
hard hull
Is anyone else simming a lower dps w/ 4pc in NH for assassin?
toxic ridge
nope. pretty big upgrade. around 11% make sure you put it in right
dense tide
Are there any sims for trinkets in Nh?
quartz matrix
Do you need the vendetta boots for 3x MA to be worth a switch now? sims are slightly lower than my current (2x rup crit and 1x mut crit). I would lose like 20 relic ilvls total if I switch them. Wondering if I should trust the sims and wait for higher ilvl MA ones.
teal prawn
simc question...is there a way to see under how your distribution comes about? When I MP/Vigor/AP you get a nice normal distribution...but when I sim MP/DS/AP, I have a tail and a really high max shifting the mean
I assume it's due to iterations where the 6th point lines up something...just trying to get it logically straight in my head.
finite canyon
!guide
bold needle
!guide
open herald
!guide
sterile willow
dry bison
Did any talents change for sub?
storm ocean
Hey team, now that it's 7.1.5 how much crit should I aim to have?
Using Vigor
Assassination obviously
flat herald
how would i find the ID of the neck enchants. trying to sim satyr vs the mastery one for sub
gloomy sapphire
@storm ocean Hard to say, I'm getting good results with my 35%, varied opinions
quiet belfry
you need to aim for as little crit you can get in place of mastery
untold geyser
I have a question - now with vigor we should envenom at 3 cp? or always 4-5?
dry bison
I'd like to know the answer to that too @untold geyser - also does anyone have an updated trinket list for Sin?
cosmic orbit
@split sorrel Eye of Command seems to be getting the chest buff without the chest being equipped in simc. My Eye is 875 and gives 149 crit for 10 sec, in simc it's showing as 238 crit for 10 sec.
split sorrel
@cosmic orbit what's ur simc version ? also may you give me the report
split sorrel
drag and drop it in pm
@cosmic orbit Stat Buff details stat:crit_rating amount:156.67
do not pay attention to tooltip
they aren't from us
check the value reported instead
calm dust
To sim M+, should i configure Hectic&Cleave with 5 Adds and Heroic-5-Man?
rotund nest
"Mark of the Trained Soldier now correctly adds 600 Mastery, as its tooltip indicates."
Did Simc correctly sim this value anyway?
pastel nest
!simc
primal ore
just simmed my self again, 480235 dps with MP and vigor , 511739 dps with EP and DS
so weird..
warped sequoia
@primal ore do you have the 7.1.5 sim?
you need to go on nightly builds and download it
humble tendon
I got the new shoulders. Don't know what to do anymore 😥 Can confirm that it does NOT work with subterfuge
humble tendon
about 40k more dps with my current gear (outlaw/sub spec) not that much in assasssination
need to do some more sim/testing
ok, with vanish -> rapture -> exsanguinate they were rlly good for assassin
late siren
what are you guys simming at the moment ? i cant seem to get past 450000
27.88% Crit 11.88% Haste 115.31% Mastery using the AP, Vigor and MP talent. Seem about right
?
Trying to get rid of the Haste but the gear aint dropping
crisp notch
Hi, i'm rogue sub, just got 885 energic stabber corruption relic. I have 880 evi crit, and when I sim those, I find 880 evi crit to be better. Is it due to some simcraft bug ?
hard quest
I wonder how accurate the sin sims are right now, I sim highest dps with MP+Alacrity build, but testing on dummy its obvious that alacrity is way less dmg
dense laurel
current simcraft supports 7.1.5 ?
strong gorge
Yes
lavish imp
I know that this question is asked alot but following sims doesnt provide such a guidance for gear switch . Would people say that 35 percent is the new crit sweet spot ? i can go from 29 to 40 percent with gear switch and gain other stats but sims provide me with such generic numbers i aint even sure i can really rely on it .
left finch
Sim to see what weights you are. Crit isn't nearly as important now, and if you can sacrifice some for mastery it would be begter
lavish imp
I did sim in both simcraft and ask robot but the weights differ for some reason and dont provide with definite answer for A gear or B gear
currently at 33 crit with EoC and 8 haste , 112 mastery , 11 versatility . trying to make it simple and see if i reach a certain amount of crit . where i can put the rest of the stats then
essentially just not convinced 5 percent crit is worth or isnt worth 5 of vers and 4 of mastery for example
in this case i got a ring either +4 crit or +4 versa if i do the switch . which is more relevant 33 to 37 or 7 to 11 vers
left finch
Crit and vers are pretty close. Mastery is better than both.
toxic crypt
stack mastery win dps?
inland comet
hi guys i have a question...
simulationcraft 7.1.5 in all reports put in dmg charts
kingsbane like rupture
is a bug?
split sorrel
it's DPE
it's not a bug, now vendetta affects Kingsbane
part of the unnoticed changes of the new patch
toxic crypt
@green wolf stacking mastery is a good option or does it have a cap now?
as AP with 8%
green wolf
Yes, it's good
split sorrel
@inland comet with nightstalker, good question I was wondering the same thing
split sorrel
then test and tell me
toxic crypt
well the thing is that getting 9 % per stack of AP is super hard
so i guess 8 % is the AP soft and good cap?
if you hit 8 % AP it should be good rite , so we go ahead and work on Versitality
as vers = pure damage increase
with surge 4/6/10 % damage buff it should be 50 % average increase with a good uptime of surge of toxins
inland comet
Agility=16.20, CritRating=11.40, HasteRating=6.16, MasteryRating=14.24, Versatility=11.12
for me with already 127,92% mastery
warped sequoia
when do you think we will get accurate sims with MA relics and what not?
merry cloud
@split sorrel only initial hit works with Vanish
toxic crypt
yup 1st hit
split sorrel
@merry cloud yes @torn dome told me aswell
toxic crypt
@green wolf the real question is with the Rupture changes would prolonged power outperform oldwar now?
@split sorrel this is for you as well ^^ is prolonged power >> oldwar in raid environment?
split sorrel
it depends
spec, talents, player, raid setup & strategy, boss, etc...
one simple thing, if you have a big burst then old war else prolonged power
inland comet
and other doubt is: new version of mastery neck enchant (+600mastery) is now better than satyr?
toxic crypt
haha true
toxic crypt
eitherways sub scales better with gear
inland comet
outlaw RNG is so ****** **** ******
torn dome
my bad bois, keep this talk in general
inland comet
@split sorrel do you know if there is a mastery cap? and if yes... how much?
inland comet
sim in progresse now with 133% mastery
than i can switch crit enchants on rings to mastery
and... nothing else i need new drops xD
now a lucky poison bomb proc is more important than before
inland comet
satyr seems to be a little bit better for single target
dense tide
Are there any prelimanary sims for any of the nighthold trinkets for assn/sub/outlaw?
grave hamlet
Are we still using 3x MA relics?
wind otter
is there are way to write order specific choices for the APL like in IF THEN ELSE?
!ma
lofty atlas
is simulation craft telling the thruth!
Simulation craft gives me EP/DS/AGO as best dps
and everyone is runing MP/VIGOR/AGO
using 710-03
small grail
what do you guys specc as assa in M+?
elfin quartz
@lofty atlas and why do you use an old version of simc...?
lofty atlas
well i just dled it
elfin quartz
yes, mp/vigor simmed better for me now
wind otter
depends on elisande trinket and boots
bleak cobalt
Is there any chance that we could get amazing views of trinket sims like these https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/135842872418107392/269121649125621770/unknown.png ?
astral cliff
go for it if you want
spice vault
hmm so is anticipation an actual dps loss over ds? sim says its like 18k down for me but is it if im not ganna be missing out on any cps?
flat herald
sims don't reflect the anti bug, but i also wonder that myself.
also wondering if it's worth it to evis at 9 CP so we don't overcap on cp
or just get to 10 and double evis
bleak cobalt
Where would be the best place to check for them? your google sheet or just resources/faq? (sorry i know this isnt the channel for this)
shadow wolf
so if i have boots legendary i still stack vendetta relics?
regal agate
yes they seem to bet best with boots
shadow wolf
they got nerfed tho
upbeat breach
!simc
regal agate
exactly but you get your cooldown aligned with 3x ma + boots now
regal agate
you should be at around 45 (cooldown of vendetta)
dusky slate
my vendetta CD was about 2 seconds slower than KB last night (47s), which is close enough to make for nicely lining up with KB every time. felt very nice.
shadow wolf
yeah 45 cd-20sec uptime on vendetta=35 downtime
regal agate
no its 25^^
shadow wolf
=))
#math
but wonder if i get the wrist legendary
i prob stick with 3MA relics
but is it better to switch to rupture damage relics?
gilded rivet
Can someone link the new simc 7.1.5 build please, I can't find it 😦
Nevermind, got it
dry pine
simc enchant id for trained soldier?
regal agate
5890
mellow siren
@regal agate think blizz ganna tune sin down before mythic EN? or jump off sub trian now
dry pine
thanks
regal agate
ret, dh and assa may get adjustments (but i dont have enough data to make a analysis on that)
maiden cargo
what is mincrit i should have now? i play with ap
have buffed 44% crit 61% mastery 7% versitility
buoyant galleon
where can i get 7.1.5 simcraft
agile mist
dld enchants change? are we into mark of the claw now?
left finch
Still satyr
unreal shadow
what is the crit range now then
buoyant galleon
help with sim please
maiden cargo
how much crit u think i needed?
maiden cargo
what is enoght?
upbeat breach
So what is bis relics now 2x vendetta 1x rupture?
left finch
No number. Crit ting isn't nearly as important due to not needing massive EP uptime (since we don't take EP).
3x MA
dusk raptor
!ma
left finch
probably
dusk raptor
Go to another channel and use !ma and read the link. That will answer your question wessel.
left finch
9 what?
dusk raptor
Mhmm.
left finch
Sim, I'm not sure if the level of mastery. Most people aren't at that point yet I don't think.
deep torrent
im using the new sim and it still wants me to go crit>vers>mast
does that mean i have way to low crit still or is it not to be trusted yet?
buoyant galleon
u using mp vigor?
lapis coyote
i still sim 20k more with dp than vigor?
gleaming obsidian
im at 23.5 crit and mastery is still better
deep torrent
no ep vigor
gleaming obsidian
630k sim dps, boots + bracers
buoyant galleon
@gleaming obsidian whats your char name?
left finch
EP will want you to have more crit, have you summed MP yet?
deep torrent
doing it now since i got unsure now
left finch
Mp vigor ap has been highest for most people
deep torrent
i simmed ep vigor exsang
left finch
Exceptions are those with very high crit and also very low mastery
deep torrent
yea my mastery aint very high
buoyant galleon
what race would be best for rogue atm since mastery is best?
deep torrent
k mp vigor exsang was an almost 100k loss compared to ep vigor exsang
simming mp vigor ap now
warped adder
Neck mastery is better than satyr one then?
regal agate
exnaguinate:
EP/virgor
AP:
MP/virgoe
left finch
Satyr still best
spare bobcat
Any updated sims on trinkets for 7.1.5 ? with the new statweights and talents for assassination
glossy lynx
is simc optimized yet for NH trinkets or it is too early?
maiden cargo
!trinkets
plucky mural
I have run a number of sims for pawn string, gives statweights, Ie: value of additional stat at current distribution
can this produce a projected dps value at your ilvl given maximum stat distribution?
Meaning at this ilvl given a certain number of 2ndary value, what is the best stat outcome for this build?
tawny tangle
In the latest build of simcraft when i sim and look at the sample rotation RtB is just called roll_the_bones instead of the actual buff names. Anything to ffix this?
gleaming obsidian
@tawny tangle If you look at the buffs column it should list the RtB buffs like this "bloodlust, adrenaline_rush, opportunity, alacrity(2), jolly_roger, buried_treasure, roll_the_bones, curse_of_the_dreadblades, blurred_time, potion_of_the_old_war"
tawny tangle
@gleaming obsidian adrenaline_rush, greenskins_waterlogged_wristcuffs, alacrity(10), roll_the_bones, blurred_time, chaotic_energy(20), legions_gaze(10), mark_of_the_claw This is what im getting in that column
That is also 2 abilities after the initial RtB cast
gleaming obsidian
Ok I found out why, if you sim without an APL and it auto generates it, it will not show the RtB buffs
Go to your result, and copy the profile that includes the generated APL into a new sim window
run it again and it should show the individual buffs
wait no, thats not it
It seems like some lines have the individual buffs and some dont. Not sure why
@tawny tangle It seems like the RtB buffs don't show up until the 2nd RtB cast for me.
tawny tangle
Im resiming now maybe it was a bug on my part
Yea i just resimed and it shows after the second cast. Weird
split sorrel
I know @radiant island posted on irc
radiant island
ok
split sorrel
well it does compil but crash simc
radiant island
nah
split sorrel
dunno how to fix it
radiant island
VS won't even let it compile
split sorrel
it's compiling for me
pallid tapir
got the lastest sim build, I have 878 ilvl with ring and wrists and I am only simming 512K with MP and vigor
radiant island
you're returning timespan_t object when it's expecting const timespan_t
is what VS is yelling at it for
pallid tapir
I am getting like +40K dps on some bosses, what co8uld be wrong?
split sorrel
oh
placid echo
Hey guys, quick question here - Surge of Toxins uptime now needs to be as high as possible? 95-100%? We envenom with any CP?
dreamy dune
What does cycle_targets=1 in actions.maintain+=/garrote,cycle_targets=1,if=refreshable&(!exsanguinated|remains<=1.5)&target.time_to_die-remains>4 mean?
gleaming obsidian
cycle_targets will cycle the action through all available targets when set to 1
dreamy dune
ahhh so this is multidotting?
gleaming obsidian
yes
dreamy dune
thanks!
and I assume actions.maintain+=/pool_resource,for_next=1 means that it will pool for the next line?
gleaming obsidian
That pools resources until you have enough resources to cast the next ability I beleive
dreamy dune
alright alright, thanks! appreciated
turbid shale
(Sin rogue w/bracers and insignia) Is Simcraft working with the changes with MA relics? I was running 3 MA relics, and if I replace 1 my DPS goes up but if I replace 2 it goes down? I want to replace MA relics with GW
maiden cargo
in general
without boots 3xGW is best
however the relics are almost equal
so higher ilvl wins usually
read more here
!ma
turbid shale
Thanks, they are same ivlevel and i thought that GW is better too but SIMC is showing a big DPS loss if I replace more than 1 so thought there might be an issue with SIMC
turbid shale
ok thanks, it just seems strange to keep 2 MA relics 😃
feral crystal
Even then I would probably hold off on changing relics for a week or two until the dust settles incase they make any knee jerk reactions. They have already set some tuning hotfixes are incoming
sullen dagger
i'm hoping i get a convergence trinket next week
so i'm keeping my 3 MA relics for now
bleak cobalt
Askmrrobot is probably not trustworthy but it sims mythic entwined elemental foci higher than mythic convergence of fates :/
vapid estuary
latest nightly valid for Outlaw sims?
native aurora
Sorry for asking the question, but what is nightly?
wanton shell
@sullen dagger no boots?
sullen dagger
nope no boots
wanton shell
:/
feral crystal
@native aurora its a newly compiled build of simcraft, kind of like revisions between major build updates
vapid ridge
anyone have a link to the current 715 build
vapid estuary
round canyon
does anyone know if the aethys legendary sims are using 200% or 300% increased pistol shot damage for the outlaw bracers?
pallid laurel
how do I choose which food to use. using vers food by default, i want to use fishbrul
stoic raven
Are the outlaw sims on the latest nightly working correctly? I'm simming 5k higher ST, 40k higher AddCleave when using Slice and Dice over Marked for Death
finite thunder
!guide
errant verge
Is there a way to simulate the additional 100% crit effect from the new shoulderpads legendary?
snow thorn
can anyone tell me why when i use simc addon to import, it isnt importing my relics?
night tinsel
yeah, just sim yourself wearing the legendary dawkins
strange eagle
!trinkets
dry bison
Is MP and Vigor really the best option when using AP now?
surreal garden
sim it
crimson hinge
and that question does not belong here
dry bison
Then where does it belong?
strong gorge
@dry bison #228879234540503040 seems fitting
Or if you're looking for more than just an answer but rather a discussion, #228878985210101760
elfin quartz
Simcraft seems way off for me... I sim for 300k with ilvl 884 with 46% waiting time... did I miss something? when I simmed on wednesday it was correctly with like 480-490k
I'm sin and tried to sim with MP/Vigor btw
solemn spire
anyone got enchant id of the mastery neck enchantment?
gaunt gale
@elfin quartz Did you import from addon? Mine somehow forgot to include my relics yesterday, massive DPS drop.
elfin quartz
@gaunt gale no that's the next thing I want to try when I'm at home
always imported from armory... meeh
but ty
shell hinge
Sim is somehow off with Sin rogues it shows that mutilate and garrote is ahead of my Kingsbane however in logs it's my 3rd strongest spell
regal agate
you compare a single target patchwork figth with a boss fight with mechanics
there are impact factors like crits, fight lengh, etc. that impact your damage distribution.
best example is poison bomb that varies depending on your luck
night tinsel
Kingsbane is my third highest damage on a dummy as well, I'd concur that simc doesn't seem to match up with in game
Could be apl issues though
split sorrel
AP ?
torn dome
Yep, simc cannot pool and react to stuff like a good player can
torn dome
Well theres quite a lot you could do to prep for a kb
so dno how difficult the apl would be
regal agate
well some apl changes them 😃
split sorrel
if you're able to explain precisely every tips in every situation, I can improve it
torn dome
Wall of text it is
You have to cycle your ruptures so you dont have to refresh it during kb/vendetta.
You go into KB/vendetta window with as high cps as you can and as high energy as you can.
Depending on your mut crits/garrote timing this would highly pref be 5 cps with 100+ energy.
You envenom before kb vendetta for sot and keep sot and envenom up as bes as your crit allow.
I would rather let sot drop than do small envenoms. (especially so with tier)
I would not hassle with lege cloak empowered fok during this as you want combos for the envenoms.
(maybe if I had cloak/shoulders due to the guaranteed 2 combos)
If you have lege shoulders I would time vanish for the last 9 seconds of the KB during this window as
by my personal tests subterfuge beats NS if you have shoulders. Shoulders also change the opener altogether.
Im fairly sure theres a lot more I could add if I just played more of this iteration of sin but I really dont
split sorrel
I'm pinning it for reference for next Assa APL update
if soemone want to contribute, feel free we are a community
I can help you if you have issue with syntax or whatever
potent trellis
split sorrel
fixed Shadow Techniques
it was always proccing at 4 AA while it's only 50% and 100% at 5
we can also now know where we are from latest sht proc now with the next expression I added
I also adjusted Sub Boots and implemented finality "bugs"
also this stacked ranking doesn't mean anything
tawny chasm
someone knows how to change the number of trades in the wappon ?
or the extra % dmg ?
would like to see the difference between 45 and 39 trades
regal agate
its 3% damage
tawny chasm
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