Did the Artifact Traits priority change for Sub with the latest hotfix? I specifically curious about the Shuriken Storm trait.
#tc-updates
plush relic
Stjern's guide says to take shuriken storm trait in in 2nd path, it did before changes as well
summer finch
yes!^^
ember wigeon
it's funny cause they could have buffed shadow nova which is golden
I mean, if second shuriken ends up bringing more for aoe then a golden trait
it's kinda weird
balmy gale
guys need some help with simc
rain lance
hey @balmy gale that is better for #228878985210101760
pseudo grove
@here Spreadsheet updated, stats scaling not included since I won't do them anymore but instead Optimal Stats Distribution
feral zinc
rogue outlaw prepot burst : old war our deadly grace ?
versed thicket
old war
feral zinc
ty
wicked lark
@pseudo grove thanks .)
pseudo grove
@feral zinc #228879234540503040
rich beacon
What spreadsheet did you update, Aethys?
boreal rune
rich beacon
ty
boreal rune
@pseudo grove you mentioned Stats Distribution but I don't see anything about it? Or just not put in yet
pseudo grove
still generating
violet elm
great job aeth
do you think as far as heroic raiding goes sin/sub is the way to go or is it fight by fight basis
elfin remnant
is sim client update with recent changes?
ember wigeon
yes
versed thicket
I think it's outlaw/sub, but it's fight by fight
ember wigeon
hmm although sorry I don't know for windows
versed thicket
any combination is fine
violet elm
isnt outlaw a lil less predictable
elfin remnant
T19H - 855-860 right?
woeful beacon
@pseudo grove does insignia of ravenholdt still use player's crit in sims? it's showing to be base in logs
versed thicket
865
violet elm
i have had up to 6 rolls in a row not proc 2 or more
versed thicket
it can be but it's not exactly likely
and you can and should not reroll on certain phases and circumstances
like near the end of fights or on short to mid-lived adds
violet elm
yea im talking open'r/mid fight
sarm can you link your armory? i wanna see what youre rollin with as far as trinkets and chants
mighty plaza
Dear All, with the recent changes, do you still expect to see sub outscales hard other specs? should we start to put all AP into the sub artifacts,
rain lance
This is a better question for #228879234540503040 #off-topic or #228878985210101760
pseudo grove
@woeful beacon again, I fixed it.
woeful beacon
Sorry, didn't know if it was in. Appreciate all your work!
humble tapir
++
oak anchor
What's the crit/mast build for sin at ilvl865
obsidian horizon
ember wigeon
it depends on your gear
if you got energetic stabbing relics than mastery /versa
otherwise haste
pulsar fiber
does the downloadable simcraft have the hotfix changes already?
pseudo grove
@ember wigeon better take vigor than taking haste 😄
ember wigeon
I got vigor (because I'm too lazy/bad to pool) and I still sim haste myself
I don't gear haste though 😄
summer finch
so, are we using finisher during shadow dance now or is this a dps loss?
versed thicket
it's not a dps loss because you get energy back
summer finch
but you cant do a fourth shadowstrike
ember wigeon
yes you can
versed thicket
you're more limited by energy in shadowdance than time in shadowdance
well if you are using subterfuge
which you should
ember wigeon
except if you run dfa, but then, don't
lament grotto
did they ever make artifact info available via api? can simc import yet or still use the add on?
versed thicket
MoS+subterfuge+DS+premed+MoS is so good
especially with the upcoming finisher buffs
ember wigeon
I use vigor but I'm a noob :p
ember wigeon
probably more wasted energy though
sometimes, in BL on pull in particular, I'm just overflowing energy
entering dance at max energy feelsbad 😦
versed thicket
I mean energy capping during BL is nearly guarenteed
DS lets you deal more damage during it
summer finch
you could take MfD. less energy, but more shadow dances
versed thicket
nah MoS is so amazing outside of BL
MFD is a lot less impressive on sub, when more finishers doesn't add as much damage nad you don't have true bearing
ember wigeon
yeah
even for adds, if you're in a situation to chain MFD, you probably can just shuriken storm anyway
ember wigeon
aethys do you know where to look for procrate for trinket in simc?
I can't find the procrate for terrorbound nexus
so I'm looking to find what simc uses to have an idea
it's really hard to test in game as it hits multiple time
pseudo grove
btw, I added the reports to
<@&224906552333697025> I think the img should be unpinned and maybe pin the spreadsheet for those that don't have it
or better, the thread
since I give some explanations there
rain lance
rain lance
@pseudo grove in this channel you should be able to pin stuff
for future reference, if you can't I need to check some settings
pseudo grove
okay, thanks @rain lance
then
Spreadsheet is now updated with 9/24 hotfix, stats scaling are missing and will be replaced with optimal secondary stat distribution in a future update (those are still generating).
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2057666-Simulationcraft-results-for-Legion-Expansion-(7-0)
nice
frozen brook
thx aethys 👍
stats value for ST is missing?
or for all i'd say
wow sub doing competitive dps even with 3+ targets. i hope wont get the nerf bat
pseudo grove
what Muxzo ?
I mean, I don't get it
yes I told u
sub is strong
way more AoE than HfC era
steel moat
": Spreadsheet is now updated with 9/24 hotfix, stats scaling are missing and will be replaced with optimal secondary stat distribution in a future update (those are still generating)."
frozen brook
woops didnt notice that
pseudo grove
😃
frozen brook
for sub with 2 targets do we keep up nightblade on both?
versed thicket
yea
pseudo grove
actions.finish+=/nightblade,target_if=max:target.time_to_die,if=target.time_to_die>10&((refreshable&(!finality|buff.finality_nightblade.up))|remains<tick_time)
actions.finish+=/death_from_above```no limit for nightblade
as much as you can maintain
on the mobs with highest TTD
oh
that's the old one
let me fix it
good
now you DfA on 6+ units over Nightblade
frozen brook
meaning?
versed thicket
if there's more than 6 targets just dfa
frozen brook
oh
versed thicket
oh
pseudo grove
you nightblade all units then DfA
white lantern
In this next hotfix is outlaw still the top dog or no?
versed thicket
yea OK that's what I though
frozen brook
scroll up soul
versed thicket
soul: depends on your gear level, and the fights
frozen brook
check the spreadsheet
versed thicket
and it's really close no matter what
frozen brook
it will answer all ur questions
pseudo grove
wish discord will force people to read pins before being able to post each time a new pin has been added
frozen brook
lol
rain lance
I wish I could do that
frozen brook
but is there any 6+ adds in EN/NH?
versed thicket
in EN? Spiders if things go badly?
distant gate
So it seems like these sims value going to shadow nova route after the first 19, rather than grabbing increase to NB and SS?
versed thicket
oozes on heart
versed thicket
yea
rain lance
alright folks this is getting out of the realm of TC
versed thicket
fair
frozen brook
woops yeah
rain lance
thanks
frozen brook
one question of theorycrafting leading to another question lol
rain lance
yeah I get that
but once things moves out of a mostly numerical domain I'd like to move them back to other channels
distant gate
how far behind is the PURE st path that goes through the bottom of Sub,- it seems surprisng that those talents that increase NB and SS are behind the top path of SB and Shadow nova?
i can ask that elsewhere
sorry if that is not relavent to tc
rain lance
Nezarr your best bet is to sim it yourself, and yes please ask elsewhere
by that I mean in #228878985210101760 because it is a good topic for discussion
abstract skiff
Hey @pseudo grove Why Insignia of Ravenholdt has a negative value for % increase in the assa 3 target legendary sims ?
manic pulsar
Does insignia proc on fan of knives?
abstract skiff
can't test it but it should no ?
manic pulsar
Dunno ^^
manic pulsar
So that's why, current APL doesn't use Mutilate with 3+ targets
pseudo grove
Yes, APL isn't updated btw
I should have said it
for Assassination
@manic pulsar work 😄
abstract skiff
oh ok I didn't know that !
frozen brook
@pseudo grove on mythic gear weaponmaster pulls ahead of mos?
oh nvm that's just max dps ignore my question
frozen brook
cool
pseudo grove
(it does a 6% roll for each unit hit by Shuriken Strom basically, if one of them succeed, then it cast again Shuriken Storm)
white trail
@manic pulsar doesn't work on FoK, Shuriken Storm, Poisoned Knife and Shuriken Toss
but works with Pistol Shot
which is weird
I can retest if you wish
oh and doesn't work with Goremaw's Bite
which is the weirdest thing since works with Mutilate
lament grotto
did they fix that random extra hit when using weaponmaster and goremaw?
manic pulsar
Ok ty
white trail
@pseudo grove Sub t19H sample profile doesn't have on-use trinket line
mythic one as well it seems
manic pulsar
Does it have a on-use trinket?
white trail
no but would it hurt to have that line?
manic pulsar
It's automatically generated
white trail
sorry then
pseudo grove
😄
plush relic
if i wanted to main outlaw and offspec sub for the patchwerk fights in mythic EN (nyth, ursroc), about how many points in sub weap is good?
im not sure what a good breakpoint is for AP invested/damage gained from it
i have 13 currently but should i rush a second dragon? etc
chrome sun
not appropriate for this channel; please take to general or SQ
(but a very interesting question none-the-less, just better suited there)
distant gate
How does Dreadlords Deciet work exactly?
chrome sun
ask @pseudo grove, I think he got one on live 😉 😉
distant gate
It cant be as insane as it looks if it stacks to max and u hit FoK once?
distant gate
if its additive, would it not be like 1000%?
and then it would stack to that level every min?
chrome sun
indeed it would! 😄
imagine the combination with the 150% FoK pvp trait (on hitting three+targets)
distant gate
at Max stacks how hard would it be hitting?
manic bramble
I messed with it on beta and it was like 200k~ per target
chrome sun
i think it is additive, so.. 1050% ?
manic bramble
I forget what gear I had though
chrome sun
can't math early in the day
distant gate
i need to go see how hard fan hits for
so out of stealth as sub that would hit for 1mil ish, every min? so its like 5 mil damage over 5 mins? which is like an old war pot
icy mango
For sub, I've been doing some experimenting with the finality talent and using nb. Has anyone done Sims on procing finality: nightblade with 1-2 cp then building to a 6cp nb (similar to rupture exsang)?
vast bobcat
finality scales its amp based on the cp you use on the unbuffed one
icy mango
Wonder if there's some breakpoint where it'd be efficient enough to build to a certain amount of cp to nb, then building up to max cp for a full duration empowered nb
Also, would refreshing an empowered nb with a normal nb cancel out the empowered nb damage? F
?*
vast bobcat
i think so? but i havent test it to be certain
elfin remnant
boiz... where can i download new sim craft for windows
http://www.simulationcraft.org/download.html this link 16 sept version as i understand
lament grotto
there was a nightly build from 9/26 here http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/?C=M;O=D
tulip harness
midnight vector
someone got sims for wendsday?
rain lance
this isn't the place to ask that, check the pins
midnight vector
where is the right place ?
rain lance
#228879234540503040 #off-topic #228878985210101760 are all fine
midnight vector
ok and theorycrafting is for ?
rain lance
"Math, models, simulations." Spec choice for this week can be found by either simming yourself or consulting one of the myriad answers given in the pins, it isn't an open TC question
midnight vector
kk
i got pinned to go on this channel
Alaine - Heute um 23:23 Uhr
pinned in theorycrafting channel i htink @midnight vector
rain lance
Yes, check the pins
torn flume
with legendary boots and 6/6 energetic stabbign relics
do you have enough energy to cast symbols of death with most of the shadow dances
i mean shadow strikes
since it auto crits and not on the gcd
civic tapir
Any updates for tomorrows tuning patch for aganizing poison vs exsang?
manic pulsar
What do you mean
static totem
not the channel to ask
tame pulsar
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but I've been simulating my character using simc and it's telling me that as outlaw, haste is number one stat, even with alacrity running. Every other source is saying it's a terrible stat.
torn flume
skasch could you see working in symbols of death with most shadow strike casts with leg boots and 6/6 energetic stabbings
or you still don't have enough energy
manic pulsar
Because every other source is wrong
tame pulsar
The only time haste starts to become less valuable is when I get around 20% haste, or something like 6-6.5K rating.
tame pulsar
Okay so I am not going crazy.
manic pulsar
No you're not, and SYOC 😃
civic tapir
okay thanks ...
tame pulsar
I was testing out all kinds of gear yesterday and different haste percentages.
Thanks for the quick response, I appreciate it!
torn flume
not everytime, jsut as much as energy allows
manic pulsar
Hum, that doesn't sound really efficient
torn flume
off the gcd and auto crit, not sure how energy is with 6/6 stabbings and leg boots
manic pulsar
May be interesting in some very niche situations
torn flume
how is energy regen with both of those things
manic pulsar
@pseudo grove do you use SoD when you are about to cap energy to dump it?
torn flume
like with bloodlust boots and those traits i don't see how capping energy won't happen
hexed stone
Hi all, so I've started simming my own character, and am currently using the default action priority list provided by simcraft's default, are there any resources for updated APLs, specifically for outlaw?
Also in general, are the defaults in simcraft genearlly good enough to a worthwhile comparison to current in game raid fights, or are there some settings I can tweak to get more "accurate" readings?
outer rapids
I believe the most recent APLs get pushed to newest updates of SimC
hexed stone
Oh, that's good to know
outer rapids
but of course there might be other people who are doing edits to APL and not posting them anywhere
Anything shared here in discord is probably updated in the APL if the right people hear of anything good to add.
hexed stone
Got it.
chrome sun
when skasch, aethys or I come across community-sourced APL changes that improve upon the default, we generally have them incorporated in the next nightly
the defaults are the current state-of-the-art
tacit lotus
Anyone know if the sims used on the 3 specs in Mythic and Heroic gear had Assass with Agonizing performing better in later gear?
Pretty sure the one listed as just Assassination is Agonizing
glacial whale
skasch so i actually should trust simc and regem haste?
acoustic lake
I wouldn't regem haste personally. You're much more likely to gain haste from gear upgrade than gain versatility
If haste is simming highest for you right now you should make choices on gear that increase your haste in lieu of other stats when you have the opportunity
(I assumed you were talking about outlaw)
toxic root
Whats the stat values for outlaw? i simd but its saying crit is ahead of versa?L ol
glacial whale
as far as I know those are the correct weights for your gear
they might just feel weird because everyones mentioning vers/crit as highest
acoustic lake
Stat weights are personal to your gear. When you have a lot of versatility but not much crit, a 1% increase in crit will give you more damage than a 1% increase in vers, so crit > vers
strong iris
wait is haste a good stat now?
lilac grove
Read what Kiwi said above
strong iris
but surely some will scale better than others?
split sun
for mythics+ is assassin still a viable choice?
or is outlaw AOE too good, and assassin mythic+ gets outshined hard?
frozen brook
@split sun not the place to ask that question. go ask that in #228879234540503040
split sun
sorry!
strong iris
this is probably too simple for theory crafting then, but how are stat weightings determined?
pseudo grove
basically @strong iris
it make the difference in your dps based on + - a delta
like, when you have X, Y, Z, A ratings
it will do, X+D, Y, Z, A sim
then, X, Y+D, Z, A sim
etc...
and shows you what seems to increase your dps
and weight it
this is why, it is very unstable and a short term approximation
strong iris
can i calculate that with simc?
manic bramble
Yeah, if you go into the options and enable scaling
pseudo grove
@here are you able to correctly see this page : http://simc.aethys.eu/4d_plotting_rog_t19m_21k_by1066.html ?
shrewd temple
not working on chrome
acoustic lake
works for me on chrome
pseudo grove
my fear is
plot.ly will blacklist me
if I publish it on MMO-C
XD
with a free plan
pseudo grove
yes
we know 😄
but it doesn't matter atm
I'll have to write some javascript code to make it efficient tho
boreal rune
Working for me on chrome
manic bramble
Yeah works for me just fine
pseudo grove
so :
what we can extract from this
is that Mastery is the best stat for Assn & Sub
with Sub you want to go Versa as 2nd stat
while with Assn you want Crit
manic bramble
So I want 0 haste as Assassination?
pseudo grove
then the complementary for each (Crit/Versa)
and haste is garbage for both 😄
altough, it's single target only
and with talents used on spreadsheet
sweet repartition is shown as the green point
but the important thing isn't this point
but the area around this point
manic bramble
it's cool
pseudo grove
I'm uploading 2 targets atm
3t is still generating
1t+adds is queued to be generated
acoustic lake
having these plots underneath eachother rather than side by side would be nice I feel, uncomfortable looking at the sub plot when its on the far right of the page
not overly important though
pseudo grove
may you screenshot pls ?
acoustic lake
acoustic lake
yeah looks the same
acoustic lake
I dunno it just felt weird to me manipulating the plot on the far right because id prefer it more centered on the screen when im reading it, I just have a wide screen I guess
pseudo grove
1T
Asn - Otl - Sub
2T
Asn - Otl - Sub
3T
Asn - Otl - Sub
1T+A
Asn - Otl - Sub
or
invert column/line
like
Asn1T - Asn2T - Asn3T - Asn1TA
boreal rune
First way
acoustic lake
^
plush relic
sorry to butt in, is there a guide on how to use simc to calculate statweights?
manic bramble
that first layout seems better to me
pseudo grove
@plush relic #228879234540503040
torn flume
@pseudo grove
could you see sub using symbols of death just for the 100% crit on ss
with legendary boots, lust and 6/6 energetic stabbings i don't see energy being a problem, but yea haven't gotten to actually play that
pseudo grove
as a baseline rule no, but when near energy capping yes it might be
torn flume
would be pretty nice to have 100% crits on shadow strike
outer rapids
Is it realistic to include legendaries in the T19M sims? The Sub one is so powerful. The specs are a a lot closer if you remove them. It does not seem likely that you could reliably get that specific legendary to help the spec, i.e. sub and boot and ring for Outlaw and Assn.
pseudo grove
I know but that's the SimC Default Profile Rule
outer rapids
Ah yeah standard
pseudo grove
added 2T
should I split files by spec
or targets ?
because 12 graphs will be too much (file size)
open lantern
"spawn_of_serpentrix could not spawn a pet, increase the count" get this when simming, does it change anything?
open lantern
😮
boreal rune
@pseudo grove just FYI I'm getting 500 Error trying to access the plotting graphs
boreal rune
Ah ok thanks
strong iris
so are we saying sub is going to be viable now?
vernal badge
Perhaps Symbols should be refreshed just prior to nightblades so it is not used during the duration of SB?
shadowblades*
rancid robin
Do we have numbers on how the Assasination changes are shifting the stat priority?
acoustic lake
If you go to http://simc.aethys.eu/ you can see some 4d plots for each spec with the hotfixes. These plots show ideal stat splits. For example, if you get 20k stats at t19m (I don't know how many stats you'll actually have), you'd want to have 8000 crit, 9000 mastery, 3000 vers and 0 haste to maximise your single target dps
Stat splits is the best sims can give you, stat priorities are personal to your own gear
If your gear has 0 crit and 5000 vers obviously crit > vers, where for someone else they might have 5k crit and 0 vers and therefore prefer vers
acoustic lake
ago
pseudo grove
nice explanation @acoustic lake 😄
also keep in mind it's not as precise as it seems
I mean, it can be wrong up to 10% for the sweet point (mostly 5%)
and within those 5%, it can shift a lot
(like, it takes 5% more while it only need 1% to "reach a breakpoint" for example)
also, it's pretty tied to the gear used (trinkets, legs effect, set bonuses (but not the case here), ...)
since there is no addon channel
does someone have Finality Nightblade infos in combatlog ?
it looks like it is not triggered there
so no AURA_APPLIED, ...
fathom bramble
thought you reported it when you fixed simc?
finite lily
Is there a minimum haste I should be aiming for as outlaw rogue?
white trail
@pseudo grove I think the only way is to check buff when you cast nightblade
fathom bramble
you don't get the buff instantly
white trail
I dropped that idea to store dots when you said uptime shift doesn't do much
pseudo grove
@fathom bramble yes but it's not fixed XD
I did the handler
it's working
it's for my addon but I can make a self WA for this
severe cradle
Aethys, these 3D-plots man. Simply amazing.
inland dust
which is more accurate currently simc or shadowcraft ? for outlaw pawn strings
cyan kelp
@inland dust better ask in #228879234540503040
pseudo grove
@severe cradle this thing will end in simc at some point
sick estuary
Can someone please help me with outlaw stat weights, should i follow sim results 100%? because I have been hearing a lot about mastery being the worst, to skiip it altogether and having 10% haste or 16% haste.
my sim results are showing mastery as the ebst and versatility and criit as the worst
white trail
You should always trust your own sims because results are gear-dependant
acoustic lake
How many points do you have in your weapon
sick estuary
21
acoustic lake
in that case
I wouldn't expect mastery to ever be better than another stat for outlaw
I would check the settings to make sure you've done the sim right
severe cradle
You think that maybe relics push mastery up?
main perch
better ilvl relics=more mastery ...
brazen tartan
so, based on recent sims it looks like subtlety is looking pretty strong at heroic to mythic gear levels, do you guys think it will perform well in practice or is it maybe worth sticking with outlaw?
pseudo grove
brazen tartan
why is that not valid for the theorycrafting channel?
bold fulcrum
brazen tartan
alright fine ill ask this, why does assassination seem to suck at mythic levels but subtlety skyrockets? https://gyazo.com/927fe56c670e2f3b4a662ed6a03e93e5
im just wondering if those results are to be trusted or if they only work with just the right gear
untold laurel
sub scales better, ilvl matters a lot more iirc
ember wigeon
it's just sub mastery
severe cradle
Combination of Sub mastery, weapon-damage scaling and no stat being superbad for sub. // Edit: Apparently haste is super bad. I learnt :x
acoustic lake
well haste is super bad
severe cradle
is it now? my bad then
acoustic lake
ideally you would have 0% haste
But this is somewhat dependent on traits
If you have a lot of energetic stabbing relics haste is less valued
mystic wraith
seems like the gold traits make a lot of the damage sub does as well? those sims have a fully complete artifact
soul rip and finality must contribute a hefty amount
wanton sand
where can I find the single/two trinkets bis list?
ember wigeon
not sure why, but I have simmed haste as #1 in the past
as sub
at least last week
severe cradle
Was that on Shadowcraft? If so, Shadowcraft currently has a bug or something going, that bloats the value of haste for sub.
severe cradle
hmm
Someone more adept with simc has to help here i guess. I can only guess. But that discussion is maybe better done in #228878985210101760
wicked lark
it's also the sub legendary boots
which are included in the mythic profile
biggest gain out of all legendaries for the 3 specs
ember wigeon
can't wait to drop them 😮
acoustic lake
Well last week doesn't have much to do with this week post hotfixes
wicked lark
will it ever happen though 😮
acoustic lake
and yes, the boots would change the value of haste as well
ember wigeon
can't wait for wednesday 😃
zealous compass
So there are no haste breakpoints in Legion as there was in WoD for sub @acoustic lake ?
I am thinking about the ones affecting your swing-timer essentially making you enter / exit subterfuge at better / worse moments
untold laurel
Kiwi - question though, how do I see what trinkets/gear were used for sub?
Especially trinkets I'm curious, since ursoc trinket must suck for sub due to big haste
esp after this patch where haste goes down in value even more so
I know this is the TC channel, more math oriented. But I'd like to be able to figure out what input you guys used in order to get the results
mystic wraith
"Local Trinket1 Bloodthirsty Instinct
ilevel: 880, stats: { +1631 Agi }
Local Trinket2 Unstable Arcanocrystal
ilevel: 860, stats: { +807 Vers, +807 Mastery, +807 Crit, +807 Haste }"
thats the mythic from the one he posted
summer finch
The 4D plotting for outlaw values crit very low, with the best distributions at 25% haste, 5% crit and 60% versa Oo?
brazen tartan
yeah definitely seems like the legendary boots are the reason sub goes up so much, they add ~55-60k dps https://gyazo.com/467406054dfbdd96e2e2970be5e1d9aa
slate swan
so outlaw has no legends to compensate?
brazen tartan
apparently none on the level of the boots for sub
untold laurel
I guess the boots make haste even more obsolete for sub
hybrid leaf
i'm wondering how the simc is calculating the % bonus on boots... all shadowstrikes on max distance?
brazen tartan
probably just max melee range, unless its bugged or something
hybrid leaf
wouldn't be that easy to "navigate" all of them on max distance in that short shadowdance window..
brazen tartan
true, but its only 1 extra energy per 2 yards with 10 base
so distance doesnt matter all that much
zealous compass
I assume that the distance used is the distance from "edge of hitbox to edge of hitbox"
and not "center of hitbox to center of hitbox"
ember wigeon
@manic pulsar do you know the procrate of terrorbound on simc?
manic pulsar
I really don't know
brazen tartan
heres the mythic profiles compared to subtlety with its 2nd and 3rd(?) best legendaries https://gyazo.com/74c8f887c88cacc054ed003baa1cdad9
so the legendary boots alone add like 40k dps compared to the "average" legendary
which means subtlety not terribly far ahead unless you happen to get the boots
ember wigeon
seems ok to me
brazen tartan
yeah im probably sticking with outlaw knowing that, I wanted to be sure subtlety was gonna be amazing before I committed to switching artifacts but its not worth the gamble at this point
slate swan
add a "bad roll's meter to that: p
brazen tartan
@pseudo grove the Assassination_T19M profile has no gem in the legendary ring
pseudo grove
ty @brazen tartan , @manic pulsar
brazen tartan
one last legendary comparison, mythic profiles with no legendaries https://gyazo.com/e21fe963d41475304a06c2cb5d07725f
slate plume
is all of this taking into account the changes coming in tomorrow?
err, today I guess.
brazen tartan
yeah
slate plume
damn
elfin remnant
hmm... can i do simc online anywhere?
brazen tartan
nope
sacred quiver
Is the newest version of simcraft on the website updated with the hotfixes?
brazen tartan
the nightly builds are http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/?C=M;O=D
sacred quiver
@brazen tartan yea I installed the 2nd most to the top, the setup one. Thanks for answering
unreal sapphire
@brazen tartan what are the differences between the 2 sin specs?
brazen tartan
not completely sure other than "Exsg" uses exsanguinate and the other doesnt
unreal sapphire
hm okay, thanks
brazen tartan
not sure how that changes the rotation but thats the key difference
strong iris
how do I change potion in simc?
fathom bramble
you would need to change the APL
strong iris
apl? sorry new to this
brazen tartan
nice, what spec is that?
brazen tartan
yeah has to be
strong iris
can someone explain to me, why sub is now the best?
pseudo grove
lol @signal vortex 😄
yes ti's Sub
I'm still figuring
but it seems that SoD usage while being almost energy capped is good
but only when u're really near the cap
best results are
timetomax<0.25
😄
I'll test =0 to see
signal vortex
Interesting.
twin moth
How did you get so high?
How do you guys test your rotations? Is there an addon which records and then analyzes?
white trail
@brazen tartan how sub without legendary is higher than with?
Or t19m has boots equipped?
brazen tartan
which thing are you looking at?
tacit moss
Do we have a number of traits/gear where subtlety gets better than assass ST,
plush relic
dont need traits/gear to do that
white trail
With subtlety insignia and subtlety denial as 2nd and 3rd rows respectively
tacit moss
To go sub? Yes you do
plush relic
to beat mut? no
assuming they are both the same geared and around the same progress in artifact
tacit moss
How exactly? So no gear and no traits beats assassination at 21 traits and 860 gear?
plush relic
no ofc, but no specific
tacit moss
Well considering the fact that most people went outlaw, rest went assass, there's gonna be a drop of point that if you don't have it, it's pointless going sub yet
Changing over first week of mythic for me is a DPS loss
tough goblet
Guys how bad is haste for Outlaw? Is 0% the ideal?
plush relic
I had the feelings most people went outlaw/sub, I did
severe cradle
Outlaw / Sub ftw
tacit moss
I went all 3
severe cradle
@tough goblet Haste is good for outlaw. MAstery is bad
plush relic
yeah tbh I did that too, but my a bit more in those 2
severe cradle
well, good
wicked lark
I guess u need at least the second golden
severe cradle
to a certain point
tacit moss
Still doesn't answer the question though,
wicked lark
my sub is still simming ~35k below outlaw
and don't forget, sin will be quite high in current gear
hard to beat it right now I guess
severe cradle
Guys, lets maybe move thsi discussion to #228878985210101760
tacit moss
Right?
wicked lark
yes
brazen tartan
Here is each spec (mythic) with each legendary with a DPS effect
https://gyazo.com/e8922447ec851a4402671ba06abe0d3c
and here are the averages for each spec
https://gyazo.com/31f202632a4aa2e9e5c481495c7273eb
wicked lark
I would expect sub to take over with 2 golden and ~870 gear, earlier if u got lucky with the boots
brazen tartan
so sub goes from 10% ahead of outlaw and ~13% ahead of sin to 7.5% ahead of both when you avearge all legendaries instead of just taking the best ones
white trail
@tacit moss I think there is no universal answer to that. What you can do, I think, is to calculate for yourself how much AP you need to make sub > Assa. Because every point you will spend on Sub will be lost for Assassination and vice versa
wicked lark
I guess that's kinda the problem with assa right now - if u are sticking with outlaw u are not losing much because the later traits suck
brazen tartan
yeah good point
the other tricky thing is deciding what spec you want to gamble your legendary on.. I think I might set loot spec to sub and hope for either the boots or at least a shared legendary
signal vortex
This is ONLY for theorycrafting! Take your chit-chat to #off-topic or #228878985210101760
pseudo grove
😃
signal vortex
😃
supple sonnet
Are there numbers that show the difference between going top route to Akaari vs going bottom route to Finality?
Not sure why it's suggested to go bottow if Sub is your OS, but top if it's your MS
pseudo grove
it all depends
if u want to be a feral
or a windwalker
but ask it in #228879234540503040
and I already replied to that multiple times, I should pin it or add it somewhere
pseudo grove
the leg boot half the waiting time
it's impressive
it's relatively the same dps gain as Archi Trinket
for reference
but way more rare >-<
plush relic
just to be sure, you're talking about the energy reg thingy right?
pseudo grove
yeah
north flower
Is there a graph that shows damage scalining for Shadowstrike, Nightblade and Eviscerate with a linear stats increase?
I'm talking about the damage per cast, not damage distribution.
acoustic lake
I doubt something like that exists @north flower
north flower
I'd need need to know how Agility and secondaries scale with item level and than calcolate for various item levels with the formula of each of the three spells.
@acoustic lake Is there a page with the formulas of each Subtlety Rogue spell? Plus modifiers (like Master of Subtlety and Symbols of Death).
rain lance
Check the AMR theorycrafting wiki, it is a good resource
north flower
Nice. Thank you. Does it include a budget scaling for ilvl -> Primary/Secondary Stats?
rain lance
I'm not sure, I don't think so
acoustic lake
@north flower iirc there is an interesting way that secondary stat ratings work in legion that makes their contribution to percentage gains inversely scale with ilvl, let me see if I can find it real quick
rain lance
You can extract the table from the simc dbc
warped monolith
Hey i would really like to see the mythic gear dps across all three spec without BiS legendary... Can I just take the profiles atheys ran with, replace the legendary with other piece in the profiles and ran them in the most recent version of simc or I'm missing something. Not super good with simc. Thanks.
acoustic lake
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/legion-dev/engine/dbc/generated/sc_scale_data.inc#L1388
This table here right?
warped monolith
Thanks
idle hull
hello im looking at my outlaw apl in simc and i see that it chooses to use a ss at 5cp for 6 cp rt and i thought the consesnus was to not do that due to over vp generation
rain lance
feel free to sim it for yourself to check but simc apls in general reflect best known rotations
hardy flower
anyone know how differents bleeds affect a target ? do they tick at the same moment or not ? i'm asking this because of the passive energy regen from assassination, when you have a bleed that tick on poisoned target.
rain lance
Rupture ticks every 2 seconds, garotte ticks every 3
also this is probably a better question for #228879234540503040 #off-topic or #228878985210101760
fathom bramble
but they won't all tick at the same time on multiple targets, because depends when you applied them
unreal badge
is the latest daily build of simc updated with the hotfix changes?
hybrid leaf
@pseudo grove Question related to Finalty. If i choose the Deeper Strategem Talent, do i need to Finish with 6 CPs? If i choose to play deeper strategem, does it pay out to always go for 6cp even if i waste a cp, just to get the finalty bonus?
5+ would be good, for deeper strategem
because, if i need to always aim for 6, i'll waste a few cps for sure? thx in advance
ember wigeon
5+ is good
hybrid leaf
"5+ is good" means, yes finalty procs with 5? 😃
ember wigeon
yes
ember wigeon
the apl finish at 5+
hybrid leaf
thx @ember wigeon
ember wigeon
from what I remember
acoustic lake
The simc apl will do a 6 point finisher always
unless you either need to reroll the bones, in which case it will do 5 or 6 point
or you have broadsides or jolly roger, in which case it will do a 5 or 6 point
If you have both buffs, it will still do 5 or 6
hybrid leaf
@acoustic lake "finalty" is the sub golden trait.
acoustic lake
Oh
hybrid leaf
does it work the same there in the apl?
acoustic lake
I haven't checked how finality works in game myself but I believe someone mentioned that it gives a % buff to your next finisher depending on how many combo points you used for the previous finisher
which would lead to favouring 6 cp finishers
hybrid leaf
yeah
that's what i was wondering
oh wait, my bad i guess
it doesn't seem to need full CPs
if i intepret the tooltip right
outer rapids
Kiwi idk if thats correct. APL says to use finisher if ss.variable is not available. ss.variable says that it will use ss if <4 CPs. Meaning that if its at 5 CPs it always uses a finisher.
err ss_useable*
ember wigeon
fathom bramble
Finality gives you +4%dmg on next finisher per CP used
acoustic lake
Can you copy paste that line Kazkek
hybrid leaf
aaaaaah, thx riff... my bad...sorry for the confusion
acoustic lake
Might have changed since I last read it
outer rapids
variable,name=ss_useable,value=(talent.anticipation.enabled&combo_points<4)|(!talent.anticipation.enabled&((variable.rtb_reroll&combo_points<4+talent.deeper_stratagem.enabled)|(!variable.rtb_reroll&variable.ss_useable_noreroll)))
acoustic lake
anyway, looking at the APL for sub, it will use a finisher at 5+
acoustic lake
actions+=/call_action_list,name=finish,if=combo_points>=5|(combo_points>=4&spell_targets.shuriken_storm>=3&spell_targets.shuriken_storm<=4)
Not sure the reasoning for the shuriken storm parts
fathom bramble
probably small NB's
as full NB's probably not worth it on many mobs
wait, that doesn't make sense
spell_targets >=3 & spell_targets <= 4
acoustic lake
mhm
fathom bramble
@pseudo grove ping
acoustic lake
what does spell_targets.shuriken storm even return
outer rapids
How many tagets shuriken will hit if cast
acoustic lake
1 if theres targets to shuriken storm or number of targets
fathom bramble
the number of targets it would hit I think
acoustic lake
@outer rapids actions+=/variable,name=ss_useable_noreroll,value=(combo_points<5+talent.deeper_stratagem.enabled-(buff.broadsides.up|buff.jolly_roger.up)-(talent.alacrity.enabled&buff.alacrity.stack<=4))
you need this part as well to see when it will finish for outlaw
outer rapids
it only does finishers with the other variable
call_action_list,name=finish,if=!variable.ss_useable
acoustic lake
Ignoring the alacrity part because I couldn't actually work out the reasoning for this either, ss_useable_noreroll is 1 when combo_points is less than 6 if deeper strat and less than 5 if deeper strat and buff.broadsides and deeper strat
ss_useable uses ss_useable_noreroll
right at the end
the last or
outer rapids
ss_noreroll is only used for DfA
oh oh
I didnt see that at the end of the ss_useable
acoustic lake
yeah, that part at the end is the main condition really, thats the one you'd be evaluating when you are using run through
fathom bramble
@acoustic lake Aethys says it's a typo in that condition 😃
limber halo
Is there a new relic spreadsheet up currently?
pseudo grove
no but I'll add it to mine eventually
outer rapids
Typos are exciting
fathom bramble
Aethys, ping me when you push the fix
limber halo
Awesome thanks Aethys.
final hornet
+46 ilvl relic +10 main hand gauche % OR +40 ilvl relic +6% btwn eye (useless)
worth trading +10 main gauche over +6ilvl on weapon ?
fathom bramble
ask in #228879234540503040
plucky birch
It looks like the wowhead tooltip for chrono shard is all kinds of or messed up it's listing impossible iterations such as 805 normal or 825 heroic and none of the different forms match the actual in-game values. Is there anyway to override the incorrect values?
outer rapids
I dont think those are incorrect its just the way items were designed in Legion.
Just use the proper bonus IDs for it
harsh geyser
Looking at Aethys spreadsheet and for sin is agonizing poison better than exsanguinate
?
high rapids
so in Shadow Dance, with the new buff to Shuriken Storm
is Shuriken Storm a dps increase over Shadow Strike on 2+ targets?
or does there need to be more than that
fathom bramble
yes
high rapids
yes to 2+ or yes to needing more than 2?
fathom bramble
let me check
high rapids
kk ty
high rapids
cool so storm is always a dps increase on 2+ targets in and out of stealth/dancE?
thansk
fathom bramble
yeh that's what the APL does
high rapids
that seems so weird to me
since storm crits for like, 150k on 2 targets, and strike crits for like 250k
(150k combined from the crits on both targets)
fathom bramble
but you get more CPs
high rapids
you get the samde
fathom bramble
and ShuStorm was buffed during ShD and Second Shuriken
fathom bramble
yeh it also gets +200% dmg during ShD
brisk saddle
what does that rtb_buffs<=1&!rtb_list.any.6 mean? less or equal 1 rtb buff and NOT any of the 6? Oo
high rapids
I think that means, <= 1 buff, and NOT all 6 buffs
i.e. telling you to reroll if you have 1 buff and NOT 6 buffs
but tht's just my guess 😃
brisk saddle
well, that wouldnt make sense then...because <= 1 would take care of that, wopuldnt it? 😄
hence my confusion
acoustic lake
Not quite how that works
Basically what its saying is, reroll rtb if <= 1 buff and not shark + cds or not true bearing
Its just the APL code for reroll until 2 buffs or you have shark and cooldowns are available or you have true bearing by itself
But with lots of inverse statements to make it very confusing 😛
fathom bramble
APL wouldn't be an APL if it was readable
brisk saddle
but i still dont get this !rtb_list.any.6... 😄
acoustic lake
Additionally, you may use rtb_list expression to check for the presence of specific buffs on the actor. The expression takes the form rtb_list.OP.LIST, where OP is the operating mode and LIST is the list of buffs. The expression will return 0 if the evaluation fails, and 1 if it succeeds.
The OP accepts two values: any, meaning any of the buffs on LIST being up succeeds the evaluation, and all, meaning all of the buffs on LIST must be up to succeed the evaluation.
The LIST accepts a sequence of RTB buffs, represented by numerical values from 1 to 6. The numbers correspond to the six buffs in alphabetical order: 1: Broadsides, 2: Buried Treasure, 3: Grand Melee, 4: Jolly Roger, 5: Shark Infested Waters, 6: True Bearing
This is from the documentation
brisk saddle
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
alright
so you just put a number to each rtb buff and can just check if #6 up or not
that just seems uncessary coding xD not like a True_Bearing.down could have done it xD
acoustic lake
Although reading that it seems that the apl has a typo in it
its checking for true bearing and cds and using shark by itself instead of the other way around
unless ive confused myself with inverses
acoustic lake
I think aethys is maintaining the outlaw apl
@pseudo grove
Maybe I'm wrong actually, will double check later
fathom bramble
either him or @manic pulsar
pseudo grove
@fathom bramble
you're wrong
we dont do Shuriken Storm like that during Shadow Dance
(or Stealth)
there is a + talent
and a + equipped
because the number of targets required increase if you have premed
and/or leg boots
manic pulsar
?
fathom bramble
I generalised, most people won't follow APL to the letter
manic pulsar
They should
pseudo grove
yes but that's a pretty big dps difference
for shuriken storm/shadowstrike
in aoe
manic pulsar
Because Aethys is always right
pseudo grove
this optimization is what made it "as nice" as otheres rogue specs there
lol skasch
manic pulsar
And I am always right unless Aethys says otherwise
tawny crown
when do you shuriken storm then? how many targets required?
fathom bramble
why is the premed check in the shuriken storm action?
pseudo grove
lol @manic pulsar XDDDDD
because premed give one more cp
making shadowstrike more worth than shuriken storm
fathom bramble
k
fathom bramble
so with premed, >=3?
pseudo grove
then it add 1 enemy to prerequesite
stray forge
thats on 2 target?
fathom bramble
👍
pseudo grove
yes
fathom bramble
and >=4 with boots too?
pseudo grove
or boot legs without premed is also >= 3
and both >= 4
yes
I tried energic stabbing & others traits
fathom bramble
or just yolo storm with cloak at >=29 stacks?
pseudo grove
but no combinations were as powerful as the talent or the boots
yes
I could add add events cd check
but that won't make a big difference
cloak since nerf is shitty
they should hav eleft it to 3k %
or make it stack faster
or less stacks
but more %
idk, there are 50 ways to improve it
cobalt torrent
only time u use shrikun storm single target is if you have leggy cloak with max stacks
pseudo grove
as good as nightblade
tbh
it's not as good as you think
in comparison to boots
or others
😉
and for outlaw APL
yes I check the list
instead of the buff
even if there is only 1 buff in the list
cobalt torrent
well i have not been fortunate for the boots yet
pseudo grove
because it's way more flexible to do that
because atm it's like that, but when blizzard will yolo buff/nerf
it lets you adjust the APL easily
manic pulsar
MfD RT does almost as much damage
cobalt torrent
did simc update ?
manic pulsar
It isn't that impressive st
cobalt torrent
i mean to make a useless ability useful it is tbh
cobalt torrent
1 max stack doing 1 mil dmg plus it's like have a trinket cd every min
cobalt torrent
yeaaa but lets be honest who has more then 2 atm
acoustic lake
@pseudo grove Is this line functioning as it should
actions=variable,name=rtb_reroll,value=!talent.slice_and_dice.enabled&(rtb_buffs<=1&!rtb_list.any.6&((!buff.curse_of_the_dreadblades.up&!buff.adrenaline_rush.up)|!rtb_list.any.5))
because for me its a slight dps increase to remove the last part
&((!buff.curse_of_the_dreadblades.up&!buff.adrenaline_rush.up)|!rtb_list.any.5))
tough goblet
Can someone explain the "Blurred time" artifact trait from outlaws?
acoustic lake
thats just with the t19m outlaw profile
Blurred time is weird. The way it works is that all your cds have a shorter cd when you use adrenaline rush but they will go back to their longer cd afterwards. So mfd has 60 sec normally but during blurred time it will have a 51(?) second cd.
tough goblet
Does "Cooldowns recover 15% faster" mean during AR 1 second will be .75 milli seconds
torn flume
In the t19 mythic sub profile is it over capping energy or coming close
acoustic lake
So if mfd was at 60 seconds cd when you use AR it will be 51 seconds, then AR will last for 15 seconds giving you 36 seconds remaining on MFD. But after AR ends, it will adjust back to the usual 60 second cd and instead of 36 seconds remaining, you'll have 42 seconds remaining
So essentially all blurred time is doing for you is taking 3 seconds off your cds after 15 seconds of adrenaline rush
acoustic lake
Yes, its a 0.5% dps increase last I heard
tough goblet
Vs taking Fortun's boon which is 10 sec off adren rush
acoustic lake
Blurred time is more effective when something comes off cd during adrenaline rush because it doesn't experience the cd adjustment after adr ends
tough goblet
I argue this because every guide atm says take Black powder/blurred time before taking AR reduction fortune's boon
Which has to be incorrect. 3 points = 30 sec off AR is better than 3 points into Blackpower = 0 dps gain. Then 1 point into Blurred time
acoustic lake
Not that I can see
torn flume
Even with boots 6/6 energetic stabbing
acoustic lake
Any excess energy can be spend on symbols if necessary, seeing as its off the gcd
torn flume
Yea that's what i was going to ask
acoustic lake
I think aethys said something like it was a dps increase to use symbols if in .25 seconds you're going to cap energy
acoustic lake
Sims are one thing practicality is another. In game I think you would be able to accurately judge whether you are going to cap energy
If you are, obviously its more ideal to spend energy on symbols rather than waste energy
torn flume
In dabs
Dance
Is only 5 globals anyway
You wing need to Cap to have excess energy will uou?
Wont
acoustic lake
mhm
sure you might not be able to spend all your energy in a dance
but that energy is better spent on more backstabs for more eviscerates so you can get back around to dancing rather than trying to spend as much energy as possible in a dance window by using symbols on cd
at least, as far as sims have shown thus far
perhaps something will come up that will change that idea
hybrid leaf
hmm... what does the "total 17" mean in the SIMC Results "Artifact Calculator (Wowhead.com)Purchased points: 13, total 17" ?
hybrid leaf
hmm
thats my sub result...@outlaw i get 19, total 21.
weird 😄
aaaaaaaah
i guess i get it, that's the bonus from relics
wait, no... i wouldn't get 13, total 17 then
is it possible to generate the "artifact= ..." string via wowhead artifact weapon calculator?
or any other tool
latent solstice
anyone have a link to trinket outlaw sim for multitarget (3+) fights?
oblique violet
Is Army just the better neck enchant now?
plucky birch
Problem with the messed up wowhead tooltips is that simc draws the info from those so in the sims it values the proc from a normal 840 mythic at ~ 6.5k+ haste where as the ingame proc is only ~4.4k haste
Kind of throws off any valuation
worldly nebula
@hybrid leaf, you can get the simc string from the "Link" menu on the wowhead calculator
digital sluice
What changed in last sims that outlow lost so much deps?
fair owl
Relics / trait nerfs
worldly crest
I am sorry,migth be a wrong channel,but simc seems not be able to sim March of the legion set
i cant set procs in damage done at all
hoary fable
almost never
lament grotto
You can run it yourself with default profiles and see.
unique carbon
Oh I can believe it'll be lowest on Simcraft
I won't believe that for some weird ass reason MM is down 80k DPS with a 20% nerf to Barrage
Or Blizz ninja nerfed them to oblivion
outer rapids
I dont get how in their previous rankings from yesterday outlway was about equal with exsang and now its so low. I go an sim myself with their newest build and Im literally the same dps as the build from sunday.
wild dune
Has anyone run assassination in mythics yet? Is the aoe better? or still trash.
outer rapids
Oh SimC's relic thing is broken
It doesnt have ranks for fatebringer or fate's thirst in those logs
from relic contributions
but it has the relics in their slots
bitter sonnet
When people are simcrafting, P stands for pre-raid. what ilvl is that looking at? also whta stats are they stacking?
fair owl
@plush relic this is legit but the issue is that it isn't accounting for scaling
So while 840 exsang is high, it grows slower than others
chrome sun
@outer rapids - can you elaborate? "doesn't have ranks for fatebringer or fate's thirst in the logs" ?
so the profile has the relics in it?
outer rapids
Curse of the DreadbladesGreedHidden BladeBlade Dancer (Rank 3)Fate's Thirst (Rank 3)Gunslinger (Rank 1)Fatebringer (Rank 3)Fortune Strikes (Rank 3)Ghostly Shell (Rank 3)Cursed Edges
chrome sun
outer rapids
It doesnt have the 3+2 and the 3+1
chrome sun
huh.
chrome sun
no, i see it now
outer rapids
I dont think its a bug though because its only on the default profile
When I sim myself its okay
outer rapids
Well I mean like I import myself and iit works correctly
Curse of the Dreadblades Greed Deception Hidden Blade Blade Dancer (Rank 3 + 1) Fate's Thirst (Rank 5) from imported gear
chrome sun
yep.
outer rapids
anyway thanks for looking into it ^^
pseudo grove
@everyone May someone make screenshot the Fatebringer et Fate's Thirst traits post hotfix (so US Only) and send it to me (or post it in here please ) ? Thanks in advance
looks like Blizzard fucked something for pirates !
torn flume
What was messed up
pseudo grove
well, until I got a screenshot it's hard to say
but client data says fatebringer & fate's thirst are set to 0%
which is weird
shrewd pasture
There seem to be a handful of hotfix related bugs
pseudo grove
thanks @outer rapids
cobalt torrent
so is it safe to say for the progression of the xpac stick with outlaw and sub
cobalt torrent
..........
icy mango
Try asking in #off-topic or #228879234540503040
This is a more numbers and maths channel
shrewd pasture
What is 2 + 2
frozen brook
@pseudo grove just wondering if the latest nightly build pushes outlaw dps down further? i was simming like 10k higher with lesser gear with like 1-2 previous build. thought maybe i did something wrong somewhere
frozen brook
ah ok that explains it
shut agate
I got the Sephuz's Secret earlier today and was wondering, is it actually a dps gain to use BtE every 30 sec to proc it if there are stunnable adds in a fight?
strong surge
shut agate
oh yeah good idea, Prey on the Weak is pretty crap for outlaw anyways if it doesn't affect BtE
pure fable
Are there updated relic spreadsheets with hotfixes
glass dove
slim river
@glass dove that's shown in the faq channel. Also, if it wasn't, this channel is about the mathematics. Your question is more likely answered in general or simple questions. However, the answer is in the guides and spreadsheets already posted
chrome sun
hey, just wanted to note
navv rolled back an .adb update
so simc's latest commit is working with outlaw artifact relics again
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/a9dc4795fe20801c6da86dd178dd8da1eb668864 fixes the issues
