#transmog

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worn yew
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i wouldnt mind a centaur race 🤔 although i would be worried what rp realms would do with them

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horde get centaur, ally get dryads. making sure all the furries on both sides are happy

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actually i suppose that'd be even passed furries 🤔 bronies i suppose?

viscid stratus
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you know that centaurs tried too wipe out tauren right :?

inland haven
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if they make a tinker mail i might not play it afterall

viscid stratus
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like, litearly, they where about too hunt them extinct

fervent mulch
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These are questions we may have to ask ourselves very soon

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My money is on the top right

iron solstice
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Bottom right no doubt

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Wait aren't there already centaurs in wow

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I seem to remember from desolace

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Or that desert place

willow goblet
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Tauren start zone too

iron solstice
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Centaurs confirmed then holy shit

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Baron has to race change

tidal creek
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Full sets are transmogs ......

iron solstice
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ducks

fervent mulch
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A transmog as we refer to it is an outfit not designed by the dev team using various pieces of armor

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You can transmog a full set, but there's not really a reason to post it here, as we could just as easily look it up in-game using the set menu

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You can stand back up @iron solstice That wasn't really a post that inspired a rant. It was a legitimate criticism that stemmed from not knowing our terminology

iron solstice
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how do we tell the difference again

raven birch
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I wish I could have the creativity to design an actual transmog

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And not just wear full sets or close to it

worn yew
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i mean you could if you tried no doubt. pick a piece of gear you really like, get other pieces that match it colour wise. thats a start on one. lot of ppl do that and think it makes a 10/10 though when really while the colours match, the themes are all different and look shit

simple dock
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It’s possible baron, I’m not caught up with what happens on the horde side

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In regards to faol ^

fervent mulch
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I think Faol helps baine set the proudmore corpse free and and sylvanas kills him

simple dock
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That was the new tidesage forsaken no?

worn yew
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havent done it all but pretty sure that was the tidesage ye

fervent mulch
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No clue, I don't play the orcos so I thought it was alonsus

worn yew
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ww discord with the 4 non full set mogs in a row PiratePoggers

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terrible tho besad

hollow fractal
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It was zelling and he got shot by Nathanos for it

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Idk if that means he's DEAD though, what with being forsaken and all

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If they have sylvanas turn him into a bad guy or a boss for something I'ma be super upset

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Finally get a bit more going into how not EVERY Forsaken is evil for the sake of being evil and he gets that

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Like tf

gaunt jay
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didnt sylv shoot zelling

hollow fractal
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It was Nathanos

gaunt jay
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I swear sylv did it in the baine cutscene

hollow fractal
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It's been a while since I've seen it, but I could have sworn it was Nathanos

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Idk

gaunt jay
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same lol idk

hollow fractal
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Like I dont want anymore horde leaders killed off and a recycling of the "hurr warchief evil now ahuhuh" because it's boring shit that's already been done

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But I'm also kind of tired of Sylvanas

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Like, I kind of WANT Calia Menethil to take over, or maybe Jaina's brother even

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Maybe they can turn the Forsaken architecture back from "MAD SCIENTIST" to "Misbegotten Children of Lordaeron" again

gaunt jay
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camera pans in on zul'jin zul'jin rule undahcity now, mon!

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bwaaahahahaha

hollow fractal
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Fucking lmao

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IMAGINE

gaunt jay
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there's a higher chance of me getting an aquamarine battle tank than that lol

simple dock
worn yew
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fucking monk discord mate

inland haven
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then he said

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that's what i was going for

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????????????

simple dock
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Quite liked that night elf mw one

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Am I a bad person

fervent mulch
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The two ends of the insult spectrum

worn yew
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if you meant the completely mismatched one zanzo, then yes you are

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i wasnt exaggerating that nothing matched. not even the bracers.

tidal creek
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Dog shit

worn yew
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not even any of the themes match.

fervent mulch
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What the fuck

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That’s legitimately terrible

tidal creek
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No shoulder

fervent mulch
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It looks like when you turn transmog off to see what your outfit looks like

tidal creek
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Oof

worn yew
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i mean maybe he was being genuine when he said that he was going for the completely mistmatched one? kinda like when you couldnt mog your gear

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but still

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why would you post it in a tmog channel

fervent mulch
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Cuz memes

tidal creek
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Even my full set is better

worn yew
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and then try get sassy

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100% a full set is better

rare storm
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ppl getting mad abt transmogs

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LUL

worn yew
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wasnt so much mad as it was trying to be passive aggressive

tidal creek
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Not mad at all lmao

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I'am a meme mate

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Legit they wanna cut my fuckun head for a full set LUL

worn yew
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think he was referring to the other guy. i at least was

icy pulsar
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imo

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if you're going for a mismatched mog

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atleast make it look funny

worn yew
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maybe actually

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he wasnt genuine

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if he actualyl ikes it

icy pulsar
fervent mulch
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I mean

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If he wants to wear a clown suit more power too him

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I’m not gonna fault someone for wearing a shit mog if they admit it’s shit

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But I’ll still mock the mog

icy pulsar
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^

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you can like a garbage mog

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but its still garbage

iron solstice
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This channel is like tinder. We are the girls. The transmogs are the men

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We swipe left on everything

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Except for impossibly perfect mogs 👀

rare storm
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Transmog channel best channel

worn yew
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i mean a 10/10 is held to what it should be i suppose. its meant to be unreachable

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but a i think like 3 managed it?

inland haven
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i love a good clown suit

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that's not what that was supposed to be though

clear lake
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@fervent mulch That mage makes no sense. You're apparently an asshole, but you have no fat, but you somehow sweat behind a computer because Kul Tirans are "fag bois"?????

iron solstice
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Fat boys

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He misspelled

worn yew
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ye he's a cunt, not a homophobe 🙄

iron solstice
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G and t are close together

clear lake
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but he also says "You're and asshole with no and sweat...."

iron solstice
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Yeah I presume he missed "life"

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He's not very creative. I rate his insult 2/10

clear lake
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nah he's saying he has no fat on his body

iron solstice
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+1 for the fat/fag almost combo

clear lake
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he's mad that a 0 body fat guy is appropriating fat fag boi culture by leveling a Kul Tiran

inland haven
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ah true

clear lake
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Baron is a fatfagist

simple dock
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Nah fish

worn yew
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ooooooo

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thats a brew one too

inland haven
worn yew
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i like how the hair basically goes straight into the chest and legs at least

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is it? idk the class hall pieces. only recognise the chest and legs

inland haven
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boots and gloves

worn yew
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ah i see the gloves too

iron solstice
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Nice mog imo

simple dock
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I didn’t think it was

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But I’m no expert

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Full set I mean

worn yew
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i mean its an easy fix there anyway

iron solstice
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No shoulders = always nice mog to me 🤷🏻‍♂️

worn yew
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no shoulders can look really good with some sets ye

simple dock
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Maybe I just like it because it’s a female character not in the same generic slutmog

inland haven
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always refreshing for sure

worn yew
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generic slutmogs ionwut creative slutmogs PiratePoggers

umbral jackal
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Hey, i have no slutmogs at all

fervent mulch
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No guys

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You misunderstood the insult

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I have no everything

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I am nothing

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Not even a spec of me exists

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I am and always have been a hallucination

iron solstice
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That explains a lot tbh

worn yew
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btw @fervent mulch ever get round to reposting the tmog suggestions or just scrapped it?

fervent mulch
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Hmm? What tmog suggestions

worn yew
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the reddit post you made

hybrid raft
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This might be too dominated by set pieces, but thoughts?

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*i typically use the loremasters tabard as well

icy pulsar
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belt doesn't really fit in there

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its a bit darker than the rest of the browns

fervent mulch
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I just noticed something

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they fucked up the coloration on the shoulders

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look at the middle shoulderplate

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its more red than the top and bottom

hybrid raft
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i was trying to find a belt that kida broke up the figure, the silhouette of the smooth belts looked wierd to me

fervent mulch
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It's subtle but definitely there

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Anyway, onto my opinion

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Personally I think the samurai look isn't bad, but the dress is kind of weird imo

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They kind of feel like clashing themes

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I like the rope belt but the buckle isn't great

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And you've got a few too many shades of brown imo, but not to an extent where it's ruining the mog

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4/10

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Good premise but room for improvement

hybrid raft
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thanks

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abouth the samurai thing, i thought typically there was a piece of armor or something that went down form the torso

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mb i got it wrong

fervent mulch
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@worn yew Oh yeah posted it on the forums and it got like 200 replies

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I should bump it

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@hybrid raft Front and back plates over the ass/crotch down to about the knees

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but not a dress usually

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You're thinking of feudal japanese robes, which weren't typically worn by samurai

hybrid raft
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cool

icy pulsar
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except in movies etc because it looks better

fervent mulch
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@hybrid raft A tabard and one of the pants with slats of armor on the sides would be the best way to recreate the look

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you'd get 2 distinct sets of slats around the upper legs.

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Not sure if there are any pant/tabard combos that would work though

icy pulsar
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are there any armor pieces in game with the metal plates on the thighs and shoulders?

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i don't think they ever made anything like that from the top of my head

fervent mulch
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DH pants in antorus for legs

worn yew
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or EN/Nighthold, though they look much more scrappy

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other than that you might just have to go with bulkier legs that match the colour. like the mop dungeon ones (i think?) or others

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what are your guys thought on having something like challenge modes come back, but perhaps with seasons that line up with the m+ ones and seasonal rewards?

icy pulsar
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one thing that has always bothered me is that they make some sets much too bulky

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i prefer challenge modes to m+

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in all honestly

worn yew
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have a fuckton of different ideas on how they could do the rewards but forming it into a post that mkes sense for forums or reddit is a challenge when its almost 4am

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and ye same. m+ is a great addition to the game, but challenge modes were special as well

icy pulsar
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moreso for me that with m+ you can eventually just outgear it and blitz through it

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cmodes you were scaled down so you only took pieces of gear that were actually good

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dunno how it would work with the socket system as it is now

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people would just farm for a socketed piece and rock up with max sockets

worn yew
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thought sockets didnt work in CMs? i dont know how it was in mop since i only did em in wod and dont really remember it since i only did it twice. I just remember going in HFC raid gear since two of the agi trinkets were op from there for it, while our tank was going in bis pieces from mostly heroic dungeons

icy pulsar
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can't say i remember properly from when i did it

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but if sockets were disabled then they would have to do the same

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they would then have to design a non shit reward

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dunno how they could make it seasonal

hybrid raft
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I tried playing around with the dwarf heritage i have a feeling it didnt work too good XD

icy pulsar
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pants are really off

worn yew
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ye i wish they added different tins of heritage armour for more than just the maghar

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so that you could actually match it with diff sets

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and im making a post about how they could make it seasonal, just trying to keep up brainpower to do it atm

hybrid raft
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that kinda fur thing is actually the belt, yea tints would be nice

fervent mulch
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Wait maghar got tints?

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Blizz shows one sided love to horde players

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Big shockaroni and cheese there

worn yew
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I've seen comments about how they did, and even posts on tmog reddit with diff ones, so ye

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not sure if theres something special to getting it though. like if you pick one, or get all of em

runic sparrow
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@worn yew Sockets 100% worked in CMs. It's why BiS CM gear had oodles of sockets.

worn yew
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Ah i was a casual in wod so when i did them with guildies, only 1 of em who was the tank really had the BiS gear. rest of us just used the best we had. never looked into it too much at the time

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thanks for clarifying though

icy pulsar
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i remember the sha gem being really strong

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i think thats why i remember sockets being a thing

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but yeah the problem i see with cms now is that you could get 13+ sockets and just roll your way through them with 500 extra stats

worn yew
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thoughts on these ideas about reintroducing CMs? figured tmog is a good place to get opinions on it considering its cosmetic rewards. If not, Np

fervent mulch
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I think theres something to be said for the prestiege of doing a difficult task at level within a certain period of time

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And the exclusivity of the reward you earned for doing so being kept just that

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I'm not sure how big a fan of bringing back old CM rewards is the same way I'm not sure how happy id be if they brought back the mage tower.

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Part of the reward of playing difficult content during those expansions is the few unique looks you get from them.

toxic echo
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i wouldnt mind being allowed to unlock the appearances for the other classes for the cm stuff since i only did it on my rogue and the vendor is literally there every day taunting me

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but as far as bringing it back idk man, maybe with different rewards, but the same rewards ehh

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honestly m+ is a better system for blizzard than cm's because they can carrot on a stick you with gear longer with m+, with cmode all you needed to do was get your golds and get out

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so i dont see them bringing it back in that regard

fervent mulch
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I think if you earned it in mop you should get all the appearances

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Like they did with WoD

toxic echo
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would be nice.

fervent mulch
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My rogue didn’t do gold CMs, I did gold CMs

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So why not let my Druid use them too

worn yew
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I meant bring back the CMs with these kind of reward systems, not unlocking the same sets as in Mop or the weapons from WoD

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So all new challenge mode gear

toxic echo
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yeah i get what you meant but theres also people that ask for the same rewards back which is what i usually take issue with

worn yew
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Ye I find that silly. I didn't lay during mop so I'm sad to miss out on it, but to bring it back would seem silly. Blizz apparently mentioned once about giving a way to obtain old elite pvp sets, similar to how vicious saddles work, if you have the necessary rating to get them but ppl had suhh a huge negative response that they decided they'd never add that

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So those ppl asking for Mop CM sets will never get em.

toxic echo
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indeed

worn yew
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As for unlocking sets on alts if you did it on main, I doubt they will just because of how different armour sets are to weapons? Weapons are far less defining items than a complete class themed armour set and are probably regarded as mattering less

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Opening up cm sets to all chars would probably be the the equivalent of doing it with elite pvp sets too

fervent mulch
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@worn yew Oh yeah if it's new gear that's fine

worn yew
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And thoughts on adding recolour variants of the mythic sets as a seasonal reward? 🤔

fervent mulch
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Also fine

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I just think that some level of stuff should be kept prestegious through each expansion

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but so long as there are notable differences the prestiege of old stuff is kept

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and there's no reason to waste good armor sets

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If the model is unique to it, I think it shouldn't get a recolor

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But if recolors are still available somewhere else recolors are ok

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So a recolor of the old elite sets is ok since the mythic versions are still obtainable, and a recolor of the mog CM armor is ok since its the class hall armor.

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But a recolor of the mage tower skin wouldn't be ok

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(In my biased and worthless opinion)

worn yew
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Most class hall sets look dogshit compared to cm one though really. But I think I get what you mean? Removing the prestige of items from previous expansions is a bad move and people trying to argue that because it's been so long, or because they just couldn't play then, that it should be made obtainable again are silly

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If everything is always obtainable then there is 0 rush to get anything done, ever. And nothing is gonna be prestigious cuz at one point, probably during a prepatch for an expansion, classes will be broken and fly through that shit easily

fervent mulch
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Exactly

worn yew
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But ye might post that to reddit or some shit just to see if it gets any traction. Doubt it'd matter if it did but fuck it. No point posting to forums either since it's EU 😢

fervent mulch
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I remember panicking as I slammed my undergeared ret pally into the mage tower 4 hours before reset

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I finished with 200 nethershards left

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If they hadn't been made unobtainable I would have gotten it at 120 and it'd mean nothing

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and if they'd added it back later the memory of farming it 4 hours before it went away would be cheapened

worn yew
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I got too burned out of legion at the end due to events leading up to antorus in with my guild, doing pvp on main for elite set, and then antorus progress itself. Only got myself to do fury challenge, feral and guardian challenge, and Ww monk. Regret it not but oh well

fervent mulch
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didn't even do rogue?

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big rip

worn yew
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And ye there always has to be unobtainable shit added and then taken away. Makes there be something to really work towards that will stay relevant when otherwise you might just be doing the same old shit.

fervent mulch
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Outlaw was the best mage tower skin

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Then ret

worn yew
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Only played some sub in legion for Fallen Avatar progress and barely any after, and didn't care near the end. Only now do I see my mistakes 🙁

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And ye wish I got ret too. But i hated playing pala so much I couldn't be arsed

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Still do, only lvled it for warfront appearance and because at some point I plan to shit on ppl in 2s with it and my stupid fucking immunities and 40k templar verdicts

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Hate ret so much in pvp. As ww monk I can't even pop karma on them or their teammate if they're burst me hard because they'll just bop or bubble it off no matter what

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But that's off topic

fervent mulch
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Oh yeah

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I never play my paladin

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but if I ever do I'm gonna have that sexy broken boi

barren lintel
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Can anyone post a transmog that fits with gloom blade?

simple dock
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I spent like 5 hours wiping on heroic kj in a pug for one of my warlock’s mage tower tints and I haven’t been able to use it once since bfa launched lmaO

left fog
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Between Human Male / Female, which has the better animations? Also unsure what to choose based on transmog looks

upbeat geode
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@left fog male

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Wait what class

left fog
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Rogue

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This is ravenholt isnt it? Pog

upbeat geode
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It is

viscid stratus
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female imo

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male human animations are so......idk..... look without power/speed

barren lintel
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Anyone got some good looking mog with the nightblade?

fervent mulch
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Post picture

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I’m not looking it up

worn yew
fierce wigeon
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Except it’s got an unremovable black and red glow around it

wraith hollow
fierce wigeon
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He returns

wraith hollow
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I never left. Just didn't have a role x)

fervent mulch
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Welcome back, we've been keeping this warm for you.

coarse haven
fervent mulch
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Poorly lit

coarse haven
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Well, you would think Zandalari have a better light indoors

rare storm
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Go outside

coarse haven
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Its dark now

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will screen it tomorrow then

rare storm
formal echo
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tov silver/brown boots might work

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no green anywhere else on the set

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I'd honestly lose the tabard

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plenty of brown and silver, not much in the way of black

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but I'm biased against tabards so w/e

rare storm
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Thanks, will try to check for a decent chest/ToV boots

formal echo
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wait wait

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big brain idea

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revert the eye color back to normal blood elf green

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bam you got green

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kind of

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whatever

rare storm
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Tbf I don't even like this artifact appreance

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But I didn't find anything in my collection remotely close to the colors I choose except for that

worn yew
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wouldnt the defilers boots work?

rare storm
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Once Im ingame Im gonna check

rare storm
formal echo
coarse haven
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Glory of the legion hero

rare storm
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Time to farm them feelsyarrman

buoyant valley
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you need a group to do one of the achievements btw

rare storm
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do I have to unlock balance of power beforehand or is it enough to have glory?

buoyant valley
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need both

rare storm
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i regret never doing the questline during legion..

icy pulsar
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im half done BoP and i just cbf finishing it

wraith hollow
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I did bop on like 4 toons T_T

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never again

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worst part is the rep grind

iron solstice
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worst part is everything

worn yew
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i dont get why it wasnt account wide

iron solstice
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i thought suramar was a chore as well

fervent mulch
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The red won't match on the glory swords

orchid echo
fervent mulch
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Too sexy for this channel

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🌶/10

orchid echo
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let me put that pepper in my eyes... maybe that will help

worn yew
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Legit seen more fem KT slutmogs recently that regular human ones. Probably just my own bad luck there though

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Well dunno if that qualifies as a slutmogs really but skimpy mog

runic sparrow
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It looks like one of my exes wearing her character's mog IRL.

coarse haven
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Okay my transmog in light. I should probably find someting to replace the mask of artful dodgdin or chest so I don't have clipping. Also, rate!

tidal creek
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i think its nice

coarse haven
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gonna swap it for hieroglyphic helmet. Maybe it gonna be too light but at least no clipping

simple dock
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That mask is a bit of a meme here too

fast quest
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U have... Light gold on ur swords.. Bronge on you belt.. Faded gold on chest.. Silver on the boots and the shoulders.. And another gold on hands.. Also the brown mask I don't think it fits well.. But I love undead so 4/10 for me

coarse haven
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Nothing I can do with rapier and I can't see the gold on chest but still thanks for critique

icy pulsar
simple dock
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Maybe he’s mistaking your ribs for gold details, if you cropped better it’d be clearer

sharp sierra
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any tips

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the standard would be like smth purple, but thats where I need some big tmog brains to throw me something else, fresh or just some good purple shit

fervent mulch
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That looks like cataclysm twilights hammer stuff

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The biggest issue in making a mog around that is our lack of silver and purple in one set

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I’d look at the cataclysm mogs, purple ulduar, and LFR heart of fear

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See if you can find any notable shoulders or helms that match and start from there

formal echo
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Some pieces of deathmantle might work.

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10m terrorblade probs will match that purple best like macky said

fervent mulch
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@formal echo what are you gonna change your name to when we get inevitably nerfed in 8.2

fast quest
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@coarse haven u r using the pvp chest right..? The daggers on the chest are faded gold

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Same as the knee pads

coarse haven
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they look bronze to me, but whatever

fast quest
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Same color with belt?

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Let me find mine somewhere

coarse haven
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yeah, I could have used any other belt.

fast quest
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Xmm I don't have at my phone.. Have to create it.. I will link when I get home

coarse haven
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don't worry, I will probably change the belt, it was least impactfull for me

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along with bracers you don't see 95% of time

fast quest
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I use pvp chest.. Fangled slayer shoulder.. The white face mask.. Legion dungeon normal gloves.. Warfront elite belt.. Some wrath pvp pants with red and white.. And boots I can remember which.. Either the fangled slayer ones or the Warfront elite.. And I use the white with red coloration of the balance of power appearance..

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Also the cloak from first boss freehold mythic

formal echo
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Probably wont change it since there's no way we will be worse off than tomb of sargeras outlaw

fast quest
coarse haven
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Hey, if it works for you, then grats.

fervent mulch
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Oh

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I actually sort of like this

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It’s not perfect but it’s clever

worn yew
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^

fervent mulch
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I’d change the belt and shoulders to add a little more white

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But you’ve got a really good foundation there

fast quest
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i think i use the other colour varient of the fanged

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the white/silver one

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belt...hmmmmm...i will see what i can do

fervent mulch
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Also it might be too much white, but I’d at least try a white tabard to see how it looks

simple dock
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Silver covenant might work

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No wait I’m an idiot

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Am I

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I can’t tell

coarse haven
simple dock
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Nvm anyway that tabard is bluer than I recalled

coarse haven
simple dock
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That mask looks weird with the collar and it’s way off colour

coarse haven
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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No better facemask

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nor chest

iron solstice
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best facemask for UD is no jaw ionAddons

fast quest
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+1 on thay

sharp sierra
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idk i wanna make those weps work but they stick out to much

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but they look sick in combat : (

formal echo
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@fast quest If I ever get to go back to horde I'm stealing that. Well done.

slate fox
viscid stratus
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looks like somone that ganks people in STV

fast quest
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eyepatch meme but mehh...u can use whatever u like

iron solstice
#

are the kneepads for... when you are on your knees?

fast quest
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hahahah

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rofl

woeful nova
#

I do like that :o

marble lily
#

Why do people here hate on sets too much?

wraith hollow
#

Because it's lazy and not creative

fierce wigeon
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Because they aren’t creative.

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Exactly

wraith hollow
#

If we wanted to see a set we can look in the collections tab in game. Nobody here wants to see that. We want to see how you can use unique pieces to create something new, different, cool , etc

fierce wigeon
worn yew
#

pretty much all the other mog channels you can post a full set and get praise. its so pointless

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in monk discord its"im gonna post my full mogushan vaults set in here because im literally the first and only person to ever do that"

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"but i hid the shoulders and used my mistweaver artifact weapon so its not a full set"

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i love seeing how the same fucking sets look on a female belf for the 1000th time

pastel turtle
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Also no one here is saying you can't wear sets in-game if you like them. The point of a transmog discussion should be around originality, as the others already stated. There's nothing to discuss when the template is already there for you.

worn yew
#

ye a lot of ppl take it the wrong way. we hate full sets being posted in here and expecting a rating for their mog. no one has an issue with using full sets in game, it just has no place here where the point is to create your own unique outfit

fervent mulch
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I’ve actually said explicitly I don’t give a shit what you wear in game

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But if it’s a full set it’s not worth posting in a mog discord

worn yew
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But ppl tend to forget that's how we view it and get pissy anyway

wraith hollow
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Dang Macky u took out the credits for the pins smh

fervent mulch
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What were the credits? I didn’t remember exactly what you wrote

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I can update it

wraith hollow
#

Grogman did the official rating scale. Don jose did the "expectations". I'm very proud of dubbing the channel the Gordon Ramsay channel

fervent mulch
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Ok, give me a minute

wraith hollow
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👌

fervent mulch
#

what was the exact wording on the chef gordon ramsay quote?

wraith hollow
orchid echo
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we have standards!

wraith hollow
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Lol

fervent mulch
#

Alright, updated. When Richard actually gets around to giving me chat permissions I'll replace the gordon ramsay post with a pin to your original comment

worn yew
#

Monk discord as we talk about standards here - "New mog for the Z troll"

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Full

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Fucking

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Heritage

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That's even worse than a normal full set imo

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At least with a normal set it might be one we've seen before, but there's a ton of different ones for each armour type, and maybe it's on an unpopular race so it's kiiind of different. But a full heritage set, where its only one race and nothing else

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What's the fucking point

icy pulsar
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much creativity

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very wow

fervent mulch
#

Ah but fishmicks

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they probably used a super creative and fun weapon

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that revolutionized the set

worn yew
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He used the brass knuckles mog and an enchant

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It's a nice enchant tho

fervent mulch
#

Wow

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That is quite literally the plainest weapon he could have chosen

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Cool

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Literally just the heritage armor then

wraith hollow
icy pulsar
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why do you have over 4k notifications Monkas

worn yew
#

Rogue discord leaking into monk these days

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Oh holy fucking shit giggle

icy pulsar
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imagine trying to find a notification thats meant for you LULW

wraith hollow
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@worn yew my Monk is my main alt. I play it second most next to rogue. So I'm over there every now and then too.

worn yew
#

With you and crab in there, maybe the standard will finally go up when ppl get called out PiratePoggers

fervent mulch
#

We can only hope

icy pulsar
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there was someone in the priest discord critiquing most of the mogs and providing advice, i half considered it was one of you lot in disguise

wraith hollow
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Fairy mog mother has too much power there. It's really diminished the channel

icy pulsar
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I saw some montage she linked of all her mogs

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I don't think 1 of them actually looked decent

fervent mulch
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How dare you giggle

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have you not seen her pinned search command

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You have to be very good at transmog to get a pinned command that just shows all your mogs

runic sparrow
#

I love the WoW subreddit for shit posts like that. "while you were grinding azerite, I was studying the blade"

icy pulsar
fierce wigeon
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That... that’s painful to look at. How do you mess up the coat that much?

balmy mortar
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With supreme edgyness

icy pulsar
#

The only thing he studied was being a degenerate

keen iris
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suggestions on diff gloves?

sturdy mango
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i dont think the green on the legs goes with the brown of the other partsd

simple dock
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Yep legs and boots look more out of place than gloves

fast quest
#

If the bones were metallic it would be gooooood

bold mantle
#

@wraith hollow Do you not have any servers muted? Thats a shit ton of notifications.

tidal creek
#

Guys, can u reccomand me an Cool tmog for rogue , even with Mark of Honor

woeful moat
viscid stratus
#

smaller pls

woeful moat
#

Click on open original 🤷

viscid stratus
#

soooo

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small and full set?

fervent mulch
#

@woeful moat Imagine expecting people to put work into judging and providing feedback to your mog when you can't even be bothered to crop it so that it's easily visible.

woeful moat
#

🤷

fervent mulch
#

0/10 Try some effort next time

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🤷🏻

severe vapor
#

farming Waycrest mannor heroic Gloves to finish the set tho

fervent mulch
#

I don't hate it but there's no red hints anywhere besides the gloves and belt

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it doesn't match the rest of the set

severe vapor
#

you talking about the red on gloves?

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its similar to the chest and pants tho

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for the belt im still debating if i use this or this one

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ideal pants would be those from HC antorus

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lemme see

fervent mulch
#

It's really not

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The chest is a dark brown

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the gloves are a reddish brown

severe vapor
#

there

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i see where you are coming from, but the colors are aprox at least

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i just love this chest too much, it adds the 'metal gear solid vibe' haha

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lemme check with some boots that cover the whole legs

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these legs are nice but the problem is the cliping

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with the knees

fervent mulch
#

try the heroic HFC monk boots

severe vapor
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please standby

fervent mulch
#

Or whichever difficulty the brown ones are

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they drop off Tyrant

severe vapor
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very nice, it can work

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color is a bit off, but it looks great nonetheless

fervent mulch
#

Those aren't the monk boots

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Those are the druid boots

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the monk boots look like wrapped bandages

severe vapor
#

no?

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AAAH

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i remember those

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sec

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i prefered the last ones tho

fervent mulch
#

hmm, the toes are off

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There's a flat strap brown boots set

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But I Cant remember it's name

severe vapor
#

@buoyant valley

fervent mulch
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browse the appearence collection and try to find it

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I think they're from cata or wotlk

severe vapor
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im doing it with mogit

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best addon ever

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ahhahaha

fervent mulch
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Not really important

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look for the boots

severe vapor
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ill do 2 sets, 1 with bare legs and another with full boots

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idk, i feel relaxed looking at my toons legs

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does this makes me a weird boy?

fervent mulch
#

yes

severe vapor
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oh fk me

fervent mulch
#

Having a foot fetish for your wow toon

inland haven
#

nothing wrong with that

fervent mulch
#

There 100% is

severe vapor
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im still looking

fervent mulch
#

They're flat boots

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No 3D elements

severe vapor
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top 3 ones works as well

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and no clipping

fervent mulch
#

None of those are the ones Im thinking of

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Ill find them later

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not at my comp

severe vapor
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all good! ill keep loking

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found a bare legged one

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perfect color scheme

inland haven
#

booties lmao

severe vapor
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HAHAH

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i have a 'beach' set

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nothing matches but i feel relaxed at least

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ahahahahah

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Damn a lot of good boots, im glad im posting them here so i can check later

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hahahah

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thats the bad thing of having plate toons for 8 years

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almost no leather tmog

quartz epoch
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weird flex, but your irl transmog (glasses) look great, @severe vapor

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where are they from?

severe vapor
#

thanks man!

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gimme a sec

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btw i found the perfect mog

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ill ditch the old one now

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such... beauty...

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ill call it "the degenerate cousin who used to molest my cat"

opaque sable
#

holy shit

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r1 mog right there

severe vapor
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i cant wait for the next update, so no chest, and gloves

iron solstice
#

royal t1 mog

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11/10

icy pulsar
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Yeehaw/10 cause I misread the guild name

sturdy mango
#

Yermaw sells avon

wraith hollow
#

@sharp sierra cute enchant

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Only change I would make is make ur eyes green again to match sword

fervent mulch
#

@sharp sierra Light it better

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It's hard to properly judge how various blacks match when shadowed

sharp sierra
#

where thefuck can i get good lighting lmao

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ive run around org

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but its night time so its shaded anyway

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idk if thats any better

ember mason
#

The log in screen for Blood Elves has some nice lighting

sharp sierra
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gna go change my eyes first then

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i dont like the boots, but i want some plain ones, not some fancy shit going on

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but idk ingame it looks shaded

fervent mulch
#

@sharp sierra not bad

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Biggest issue is the top half is a lot higher res than the lower half

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but that's not completely damning

sharp sierra
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@wraith hollow its coldlight besad I feel like the over flashy ones ruin it

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ye looking around for some other parts, but agree on the diff ress being the downside

ember mason
#

If you don't like overflashy, maybe just do without the enchant altogether?

sharp sierra
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ahh, well I like a faint flow

ember mason
#

Ain't nothin' faint about the one you have now :P
Maybe look into some of the Vanilla enchants. I remember there's some faintly glowing ones from then

sharp sierra
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idk cold light looks alot more flashy in loading screen then ingame

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or char sleect

fervent mulch
#

In an extremely rare break from form, here's a non-rogue mog I did

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I'm least happy with the belt

worn yew
#

thats a 4 i think

honest kettle
#

Not to seem picky but the boots are out of place

fervent mulch
worn yew
#

the white parts of the belt dont match, red on gloves only match weapon too

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but clashes with robe

fervent mulch
#

The boots are meant to match the red on the lacing and on the hilt of the sword

honest kettle
#

I see what you were going for but just seems off with the color theme of the actual set

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I would also recommend not using a belt if that’s the only thing you have

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Because it’s obviously off lol

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Really hard to match that belt with things tho

fervent mulch
#

Like I said I'm not thrilled with the belt

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But other than that I think the few different shades of white is the outfits biggest issue

worn yew
#

oh i thought you said "im at least happy with the belt" instead

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mb

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idk feels like the robe has no real place there either

fervent mulch
#

That specific robe or a robe in general?

honest kettle
#

The robe ties the helm/shoulders together

fervent mulch
#

The helm/shoulders are a very close match excluding the slight difference in white IMO

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so we're just going to have to disagree on that

honest kettle
#

I believe the helm and shoulders pairs nicely

worn yew
#

just that specific robe really. the main colour in it is seen nowhere else

honest kettle
#

Only issues being belt/boots

fervent mulch
#

you mean the dark grey?

worn yew
#

ye, clashes with the red

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imo

fervent mulch
#

I had used some lighter robes and felt they were overwhelmingly bright imo

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plus they didnt match the red on the ashbringer as closely

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the helmet and shading on the set has a lot of shadows on it, so I felt like the darker underfabric on the chest was ok

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especially because the bronze, white, and red all matched both the colorscheme and the proportions of each color

#

Personally, this mog would be a 5/10 or 6/10 imo, but you guys are of course entitled to your own opinions

worn yew
#

ye i can agree on a passable 5

simple dock
#

Not the biggest fan of robes on paladins

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I get it

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But it doesn’t suit my interpretation of the class fantasy

iron solstice
#

blade furry got nerfed

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time to go assa everyone

worn yew
#

new patch notes?

buoyant valley
#

no

fervent mulch
#

More Irrefutable proof that Kul Tirans are actual gods

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(Not by me, stolen from reddit)

pseudo flume
#

Lmao thats actually sick

icy pulsar
#

dang

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thats the kinda mog i was looking for

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did the reddit post have a set list?

fervent mulch
#

yep

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lemme copy it

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Although I tried it in game and the brown variant of the head and shoulders looked better imo

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Head: Wasteland hide helm
Shoulders: Wasteland hide spaulders
Chest: Relentless Gladiator's Leather Tunic
Hands: Ironpelt Mitts
Waist: Warmongering Gladiator's Belt of Prowess
Legs: Sucker-Scarred Leggings
Feet: Stutterstep Treads
Shirt: Red workman shirt
Tabard: Lorewalkers Tabard or Shado-pan Tabard
Weapons: Scourgebane's Slicer

icy pulsar
#

appreciate your effort as always macky

pseudo flume
#

Whats the consensus here on the best race for rogue xmog etc on horde

shy monolith
#

Bloodelf 100% Macky approved

icy pulsar
#

kul tiran or uninstall

pseudo flume
#

Guess im uninstalling

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Yeah idk, love blood elf, also love undead for the classic rogue look but doesnt seem to be many around

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And even less ztrolls, Giggle aside

icy pulsar
#

orc has a lot of good mogs for rogue imo

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er

#

orc looks good in a lot of rogue mogs

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i should say

pseudo flume
#

Talking male or female?

#

Or both

#

I think fem model looks great with most things

buoyant valley
#

female orc has a better skeleton

shy monolith
#

I miss my undead rogue

icy pulsar
#

i like male and female orc tbh

#

probably one of the few races where i think both genders look good with a majority of mogs

ember mason
#

Gonna throw my 2 cents in:
Human. :^)

fervent mulch
#

@shy monolith I'm gonna -2 your next mog no matter what it is

icy pulsar
#

oof

shy monolith
#

Only can go up from that point. mmmhmm

icy pulsar
#

just post a shit mog so you waste the point reduction Sinscheme

pseudo flume
#

I miss my undead too

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Playing as ztroll atm

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Wish theyd fix the shoulder anchoring on them though

wraith hollow
#

I like ztroll. Blood elf, orc, human look good too. I'm not a fan of undead tbh

pastel turtle
#

Despite the meme I like Void Elf. I'd play Belf if I was horde

icy pulsar
#

elves are too skinny for my liking

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i just prefer the bulkier races

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which is why im so happy with KT's

pastel turtle
#

The leather looks good on most races, but I definitely think plate is very hit or miss on skinny races

#

It's good to see more variety though with the allied races

fervent mulch
#

KT's are just 230 pound packages of raw sexual power

#

I'm suprised wow kept it's T rating with them in it

wraith hollow
#

KT is a meme
Next question

icy pulsar
#

you're a meme giggle

wraith hollow
#

Same

icy pulsar
fervent mulch
#

Giggle: KT is a meme

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Also Giggle: You know what that all white set needs? Artful dodging

wraith hollow
#

🤔

#

I don't remember that

#

Also artful dodging is out

#

Laughing skull is in

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#knowyourmemes

pseudo flume
#

How long does the laughing skull rep take to farm anyway

#

Also quite enjoying ztroll myself, xmog looks quite juicy on them in general

wraith hollow
#

Its not bad tbh

#

You can usually find another person farming it too

#

Group up

#

eZ rep

pseudo flume
#

Ill give it a crack one day if I find time between grinding division 2 and M jaina prog ResidentSleeper

subtle basin
#

Hey are you still able to loot legion hidden appearances such as the bindings from Vault and Nelts?

livid slate
#

Yes

subtle basin
#

tx

fervent mulch
#

We should just pin that tbh

#

I think transmog needs a FAQ pin

buoyant valley
#

implying people read the pins

#

ever

fierce wigeon
#

Well, it would give us another time to spam out pins

wraith hollow
#

@fervent mulch it WAS pinned 😉

fierce wigeon
#

Ah, well in that case

wraith hollow
fervent mulch
#

If I ever get command functions I’ll put it back up

#

The more reasons to mock users for not reading something nobody ever reads the better

balmy mortar
#

I spied on our hunter friends, thought you might enjoy this Macky

icy pulsar
#

What in tarnation

wraith hollow
#

gross

icy pulsar
#

How do people look at something like that and say to themselves

#

"Yeah, this fits really nice"

balmy mortar
#

He even had 4 upthumbs

worn yew
#

What do you mean shaman shoulders don't work with a set better suited for a Ship captain? 🤔 🤔 🤔 How does that not work, its perfect!

balmy mortar
#

LongcoatGore emote when?

fast quest
#

My Pala..!!

#

And this is the shield

#

I like the red glow all around

fervent mulch
#

@balmy mortar yikes

#

When will people learn

#

ADDING 👏🏻 THE 👏🏻 LONGCOAT 👏🏻 DOES 👏🏻 NOT 👏🏻 MAKE 👏🏻 IT 👏🏻 GOOD 👏🏻 BY 👏🏻 DEFAULT

balmy mortar
rare storm
#

Thunderfurys are missing otherwise 9/10

balmy mortar
willow goblet
#

Now zoom out about 200%

#

So we couldn't see if we wanted to

fervent mulch
#

I unironically hope we can mog og legendaries next patch

#

Tf mainhand all the time

balmy mortar
#

Yeah, every DH pretty much has glaives, who cares

dull kernel
#

I want shadowmourne on my dk even though I don't play dk.

iron solstice
#

temp legs from sunwell should be moggable

fervent mulch
#

They already are

#

Sunwell legos are all just copies of epic weapons from TBC

iron solstice
#

all of them?

#

its been a while but I seem to remember thoridals to be unique

shell plume
#

ehhh, what sunwell legos?

#

there's only one - Thoridal

#

you might be talking about Tempest Keep legos

#

when you fight Kael

#

and as Baron said - they already are moggable

#

actually, the only one that isn't completely the same is the sword

#

but you can get a different recolour as well

fervent mulch
#

Yep, TK, not sunwell

#

I misspoke

iron solstice
#

oh yes I meant TK actually

#

been a while

#

i didnt know they are moggable. like the temprary 60 mins ones are moggable?

shell plume
#

@iron solstice well, the legendaries themselves are obviously not moggable, but they are all (except the sword) carbon copies of existing stuff in TBC

#

like the dagger is a copy of Karazhan dagger dropping from Malchezaar

#

shield and axe you can get from pvp iirc

#

mace actually drops from Kael himself

iron solstice
#

ah okay

#

whats the sword called again?

shell plume
#

it's a recolor, but very close

iron solstice
#

oh right

#

theres a pvp copy of it

#

merciless I believe

#

oh you already said

#

whatever, brain

wary goblet
#

Does it work?and if possible anyone knows of a purple cape fr this ?

fervent mulch
#

change pants and belt

#

also try Troggstitched Drape

iron solstice
#

slow chat today

#

rate my mog

raven birch
#

It makes me want to gouge my eyes out

viscid stratus
#

he is using daggers, gouge is a outlaw skill

#

....how does that even make sense, how do you gouge somone with swords/maces

iron solstice
#

grapple hook the eye

#

plop

raven birch
#

^

simple dock
#

Still less of a clown suit than something posted in peak earlier

worn yew
#

i think that guy assumed that if he made 1 piece match with at least one other, it counts as matching. so he did it with 3 different colour sets

glossy grotto
#

or he's doing it to fuck with people 🤔

#

and you took the bait

fierce wigeon
#

Unless they ironically took the bait just to try and start something

#

Now that’s a 200 IQ play

worn yew
#

Idk seemed a fairly genuine attempt at a zanda pirate mog. Didn't really start anything anyway so would've been a poor attempt

#

I wonder if ppl come in here just to fuck with Macky

fierce wigeon
#

Implying that literally everyone in here doesn’t do that

worn yew
#

I would never. Maxkys word is gospel 😍

icy pulsar
#

I come in here to fuck macky

fervent mulch
#

Pardon

worn yew
#

Shame his critiques are higher standards than his actual mogs kappat

#

Oh shit

icy pulsar
fierce wigeon
#

Gottem

fervent mulch
#

I’ve said before that zeruul is better at transmog than me

#

I’m still better than 95% of you shits though

fierce wigeon
#

That’s a big claim

fervent mulch
#

Exhibit a

#

The prosecution rests

fierce wigeon
#

That mog is phenomenal

#

What?

glossy grotto
#

It's an S rated mog.

fervent mulch
#

S for Sex symbol

glossy grotto
#

Transmog gone sexual

fierce wigeon
#

He’s the peak of sexual performance

fervent mulch
#

That’s next patch

glossy grotto
#

Blood Elves with everything off but pants and cursed vision

fierce wigeon
#

Instant binmog

glossy grotto
#

I'll make sure to post it the day it comes.

#

The day of reckoning.

fierce wigeon
#

The day when all armor is able to be hidden feelings

#

You bet I’d change to Kul Tiran instantly then

fervent mulch
#

Just take off your pants

#

You can handle missing one gears worth of stats

fierce wigeon
#

Parse higher on that ilvl bracket

glossy grotto
#

ceremonial leather loincloth with just the coat

fierce wigeon
#

2000 IQ

glossy grotto
#

perfect kul tiran tmog

fervent mulch
#

Parse highest on the big dick bracket

simple dock
#

Belves are for nonces, hidden all kul Tirans is for connoisseurs

fierce wigeon
#

Exactly

fervent mulch
#

You see a man playing a fully nude kultiran

#

You know that’s a man that’s not afraid of anything

fierce wigeon
#

You salute that dude

fervent mulch
#

You don’t fuck with that guy

#

He’s got no shame and no fear

fierce wigeon
#

He just lets it all hang out

simple dock
#

As nature intended feelsok

fervent mulch
#

Also if we ever get to hide pants you can make most female races look naked by wearing a tabard and a belt

#

I don’t play any female races and sadly male underware is too wide

fierce wigeon
#

The males understand that boxers are the superior undergarments

fervent mulch
#

But if I could I would 100 streak on my KT

#

Boxers >>> briefs

fierce wigeon
#

Just this hulking mass streaking through the night

fervent mulch
#

Gotta let the boys breathe

fierce wigeon
#

Exactly

#

This man gets it

fervent mulch
#

I’m gonna try warbear woolies and longcoat when I get home

fierce wigeon
#

.-.

fervent mulch
#

See how much of a flasher mog I can pull off

inland haven
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that mog is incredible

viscid stratus
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@fervent mulch i really like that paladin mog btw, i think im gonna steal it

fervent mulch
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Go ahead, I'm mostly happy with it

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May change the boots and belt

willow goblet
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Is the broken ashbringer the MT skin?

fervent mulch
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Yep

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With the recolor from killing H K'J

glossy grotto
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Something I concocted the past hour to have everyone train their eyes on for the day that the new Transmog patch comes out, made sure to have Black on every piece (aside from the boots of course due to me "hiding" them) and tried make it so there were no 2 colors that matched.

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Gotta have a few meme pieces in there as well.

viscid stratus
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needs too be the yellow/orange thunderfury skin

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clashes with more and was more easy too unlock, so everyone used it

glossy grotto
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would match with the lining on the chest

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minor but, still there

viscid stratus
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there is a green versio of that chest

fervent mulch
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Thanks I hate it

glossy grotto
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looked at all 4 versions of the chest and even on the most green it'd match with the lining

fervent mulch
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dont forget a real flamboyant shortcloak

glossy grotto
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aah 1 moment

rare storm
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I wish I had that BoE belt

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😔

umbral jackal
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farm it

glossy grotto
viscid stratus
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there needs too be a headpiece

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that is meme vision and a eyepatch at once

glossy grotto
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Just go demon hunter, even better i'll do it for you.

inland haven
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i love that

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a really modern take on the tbc clown suit

glossy grotto
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perfect capturing of it

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or damn near.

icy pulsar
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i kid you not i saw a couple dh's wearing an almost identical mog unironically on my realm

glossy grotto
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wait stop, that has to be a lie.

icy pulsar
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i wish it was

iron solstice
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hey what are those shoulders they are so cool

glossy grotto
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They're "The First Satyr's Spaulders", some super cool looking Shoulders 😄 👌 💯

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kill me

worn yew
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omg thats so good 😍 i especially like how the glaives match the green on the belt 👌 perfect mog

glossy grotto
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Thank you so much 😍 😍 😍 !!! I put SO much effort into this mog, it took me a WEEK to find all the perfect pieces!!!

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I think i'm bleeding

iron solstice
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wait where am I

formal echo
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the priest discord if the last dozen messages are anything to go by

glossy grotto
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Become assimilated

wraith hollow
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RIP this channel

icy pulsar
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@fervent mulch this reminds me of the image in the pins of the three of you

formal echo
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It's a reference to the very same thing I was referencing with that post.

fervent mulch
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They're both JoJo references

icy pulsar
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aah

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never seen JoJo or many of the references so probably why i didn't realize

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carry on then

pastel turtle
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Big JoJo energy

fervent mulch
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Naga invasion up in the US, go do it to get Xalatah
EU get fucked

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You get a comsetic toy at the end

timid mauve
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Need inspiration for new mogs T_T

formal echo
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macky if you're on US why the fuck haven't we gooned around in some dungeons or some shit yet

fervent mulch
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How did you not know I was on US? I literally constantly shittalk the EU bois

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hit me up on Btag, we'll farm some mog

glossy grotto
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would love to find boots that work w/ the whole silver plating that i have going on but, sadly there's none that i've found that i liked.

sturdy mango
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Shoulders with green on look best imo

glossy grotto
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wish uldir boots weren't so chunky

wraith hollow
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@fervent mulch @formal echo giggleblush#1585

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For whenever u go horde ;)

gaunt jay
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"when"ever

icy pulsar
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horde players spincernedfrog

fervent mulch
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I'll add you but I'm not real gung-ho on the whole genocide of women and children thing so I prob won't be rolling horde anytime soon

icy pulsar
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horde players in a nutshell

formal echo
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whenever I'm done with this RoR run I'll add you two

slow spade
pseudo flume
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The white undershirt is a bit of a weird addition imo and the tabard doesn’t really fit. Pieces fit together alright

potent pewter
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anybody know of any leather pieces that resembles anything my ESO character is wearing? lol

icy pulsar
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Maybe try some better lighting first

pseudo flume
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Idk, maybe dread aspirants for horde?

woeful nova
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Silver and blue aspirant gear, yeah.

pseudo flume
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But that gear is black? 🤔

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Or grey

potent pewter
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its a bad picture, i took it several months ago

severe vapor
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@slow spade i liked the helm addition there bud, try a version without tabards

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pitty the color scheme is only for horde tho ahaha

icy pulsar
umbral jackal
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What ever i try to write, it would be offensive

icy pulsar
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its a clown mog so care factor is 0

umbral jackal
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I think clowns are offended looking at this

icy pulsar
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good

umbral jackal
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But you have good chances getting laid in every gaybar

icy pulsar
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moon guard here i come

viscid stratus
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i hope you are a druid too

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for....moon guard stuff

icy pulsar
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obviously a rogue

fervent mulch
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@icy pulsar good lord man warn me when you tag me on an image like that

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My dick just punched a hole through the desk

inland haven
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that's exactly the reaction you should have

iron solstice
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pretty sure thats your dick trying to escape your body and not being aroused

fervent mulch
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Then why tf my peepee so hard

iron solstice
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its trying to sail away, at full mast

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in full pirate mog

simple dock
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Now this is art

fierce wigeon
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Come sail away

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Come saiiiil away

coarse island
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Full gachi

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@slow spade whoa what helmet is that

formal echo
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That's wrathful glad.

sharp sierra
iron solstice
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no

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well maybe if you cut directly below the thing on your head

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and then keep top of head only?

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chuck the elf

fervent mulch
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@sharp sierra Yes

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If you don't get it cleansed it stays

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and if you do get it cleansed you get a 1 hour CD 1 hour Duration toy

sharp sierra
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is that by doing the quest or an option after the Q

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ah a toy rly

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so u dnt get the toy if u dnt cleanse

fervent mulch
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yeah

sharp sierra
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is this some saurfang type shit

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that i cant do both

fervent mulch
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Yes

sharp sierra
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fuck me

fervent mulch
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You can always keep it on your main and cleanse it on an alt

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should still get the toy on your main

sharp sierra
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aye true, but not done any war campaign for ages on alt

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but maybe its seperate