Because it's a 
#transmog
fervent mulch
fervent mulch
Thought gloves were part of it too
I don’t play the inferior faction so I don’t know the sets that well.
unreal tangle
No the gloves are not set, its s1 pvp
Baron you are just jelly of my epic mog that you can't obtain
i also have the meme head "arftul dodging" or whatever its called
fast quest
inland haven
that's how it's done
tidal creek
I just need to get the defiler's to exalted for the tabard
wraith hollow
It's a meme to try to make artful dodging a meme @unreal tangle
unreal tangle
Oh
raven iron
@unreal tangle what are those belt and gloves?
viscid stratus
belt looks like the horde warfront leather set
wraith hollow
It is.
rough inlet
@tidal creek love it, perditions gotta go main hand though because of the dagger speed! Lol
scenic thicket
rose sinew
quick monk mog
viscid stratus
i got it from some random quest in kultiras(alliance) idk how horde gets it
rose sinew
definitely a wq
runic sparrow
That one specifically is an int fist weapon so you won't be able to get it on a rogue.
unreal tangle
damn it
runic sparrow
Time to level one of these I guess.
umbral jackal
Don't you get all quest appearance unlocked if you could wield them?
Did outland loremaster and often i just got 1 reward but unlocked 2 items
fervent mulch
@umbral jackal You get every quest reward appearence you can use when you complete a quest
whether or not you were elligible to recieve that piece of loot
runic sparrow
Ah that's right. It's not linked to any quests though which means it's prolly a WQ item which won't show up for a rogue.
livid slate
as horde at least. if alliance you just do the quest
amber sandal
What do you guys think of it ? 😄
little scroll
ur gonna get shit on for thunderfury probably
ember mason
^
fervent mulch
Tbh the Thunderfury isnt the issue here
It's that you've got 4 shades of blue clashing
The shoulders are a cobalt
the boots are a faded teal
the chest and pants are a sky blue
the belt is a royal blue
and the gloves are a faded electic blue
(which is a shade of cobalt so its still 4)
fervent mulch
You made the mistake that a lot of people do when making a set and went "Ah, it's blue so it matches"
You need to really compliment your colors.
Like I say often, if you want to wear a set but you dont want to get criticized for wearing a full set, dont change random shit
Just wear the set and dont post it here
I don't give a fuck if you want to wear full TOV in game. We only take issue when people post a full set in the mog channel.
Also if you are gonna wear full TOV, I suggest throwing on a tabard. I find the chest and pants the weakest part of TOV.
livid slate
yeah, frostwolf or silver hand tabard look nice with it
amber sandal
@fervent mulch And i'l be honest with you , my intention wasnt to wear a set or something , but i really like the thunderfury because they Sheath on the back , and it's such a legendary weapon , so i tried to do a good mog with it
runic sparrow
As someone who has tried several times to build around TF and that mask, it's a pain in the ass to find stuff that looks good. Not enough of that blue available.
amber sandal
@runic sparrow Did you get to anything ?
runic sparrow
I had it passable but my WoW is uninstalled rn so I can't tell you what I used sorry
amber sandal
btw @fervent mulch Are there any boots that come to your mind for me to put here ?
fervent mulch
@amber sandal I’m not passing judgement on thunderfury. I use thunderfury and an eyepatch in my main mog.
Something is meme because everyone uses it, so I criticize it for being overused
Things that are meme aren’t inherently bad. The same way blood elves are meme because they look so good that everyone plays them
amber sandal
Yeah
fervent mulch
If I posted my typical mog here I’d criticize the shit out of myself for it because it wouldn’t belong on this channel.
I think a lot of people don’t get that there are plenty of perfectly good outfits that just don’t belong in transmog channels
We’re not always bashing a post for being ugly, were bashing it because it’s not creative enough to be worth posting
That being said, we are sometimes bashing a post because it is absolutely butt ugly
(See above)
amber sandal
I understand
And i didnt take it in a mean way or anything like that
If it looked like it in any of my messages above , i take it back
It wasnt my intention xD
fervent mulch
Oh the whole thing wasn’t fully directed at you
We get a lot of people who don’t understand why we criticize their outfits
And I realized we should probably better explain why we rate how we do
I might copy it all into one comment and ask @wraith hollow or @shy rover to pin it.
shy rover
I think the current pins sum that up, they just need re-organising as they are all so old now
They're all over the place but I'll let giggle do it
inland haven
cute mogs only
fervent mulch
But I thought all mogs were cute in the eyes of the mogmother? 🤔
shy rover
I don't generally dip into transmog so only seems right to let those that dwell regularly to take front
fervent mulch
Back to your competitive drivel then Richard
Gear becomes outdated
But style is forever
shy rover
Dress up 
fervent mulch
Raiding so that your numbers get bigger so that you can do the same bosses but harder
Cosmetics are the endgame
wraith hollow
fervent mulch
Richard over here paying $15/month to play Pokémon
wraith hollow
Also going to list what we consider meme
shy rover
Can't remember the last sub I paid for tbh
wraith hollow
Anything else on the "considered meme" list I missed?
amber sandal
I dont think so
wraith hollow
Fereran youre a meme
fierce wigeon
Yep
But am I wrong? Everyone uses the Kul Tiran dungeon leather and is like, “WHAOAAHHHH Look at my original mog guys!!”
buoyant valley
mask of artful dodge did nothing wrong
fierce wigeon
Giggle killed Artful Dodging
worn yew
pirate mogs maybe? most seem to use the same pieces
fierce wigeon
Every pirate mog is the same
robust glen
make pins a "hall of fame" for good mogs @wraith hollow @fervent mulch
wraith hollow
Official RH Transmog Rating Scale:
0 = painful/full set (4+ of a set)
1 = bad
2 = does not work
3 = not good, but not a bad idea
4 = close, some tweaks and it might work
5 = it’s nice
6 = looks good
7 = great combination of items
8 = looks amazing; has original aesthetic
9 = transmog is impeccable; original and appropriate to a specified theme
10 = perfection; no imaginable way to improve upon it. Transmog, race, gender, hairstyle... everything is a perfect blend. You are legend.
That’s probably more or less the scale being used here.
(Credits to Grogman)
Expectations for #transmog:
- Criticize transmogs for how they look--NOT the player who made them. Constructive criticism > blind hatin'.
- Thunderfury, Eyepatches, Cursed Vision, Warmongering/Felblade belt, and full set mogs are considered lazy/meme here. If you want pointers on better off-pieces to match your full set, clarify that or be ready for the 🔥
- :98_emoji: of the time, GLOWY BITS GOTTA MATCH
- Think about your color coordination! "Almost" only counts in Horseshoes and Hand Grenades. Typically, more than 3 colors in a mog enters clownsuit territory.
- Zoom in with a plain background--preferably different color from your mog's. MAKE SURE IT'S BRIGHT ENOUGH TO SEE.
- You can also use the new wow armory and your snipping tool to make better screencaps:
6.1) Navigate to worldofwarcraft.com and search your character
6.2) Use your Snipping Tool (Windows > search) to take screencaps.
(Credit to Don Jose)
The right way to get feedback on a single piece of gear when wearing a full set (4 or more of the same set) is to straight up admit "I know this is a full set" and then proceed to ask for where you want feedback "but would you help me find a better pair of boots for this set?" And then people won't tear you apart for having no creativity.
hmm realized i could have unpinned and repinned it
oh well
jade wave
are crowns meme territory yet?
wraith hollow
idk if i'd call them real meme.
Everything current is always a little meme
cause its current and literally everyone is wearing it
livid slate
transmogging your character is meme
woeful nova
shadow glen
But on belf are the most mogs easy cause the model allow it
On trolls not zandalari trolls is kinda difficult
acoustic wren
sour crypt
Unknown is a fitting title for that picture.
rose sinew
wizzardglen
fervent mulch
He looks like Fucko the Crack Warlock
rose sinew
fierce wigeon
@robust glen Yeah, there only is one because the rest of ours haven’t been good enough.
🤔
fierce wigeon
Ah yes, another believer. We must rise up against Giggle and show him that Artful Dodging can’t go on everything.
left void
floral yacht
left void
https://gyazo.com/b407e1ceb3932708de4bf516e04a2881 wish mace enchants would go into the mace heads not the handles
fervent mulch
Biased giggle trying to keep artful off the meme list even though the entire server knows better.
Shameful
open cosmos
I keep praying for recolors of the Mask of Artful Dodging without any weird glowing crap like the WoD monk helm lookalikes, but God and Blizzard don't listen.
shadow glen
how do i get coins for the vault?
trail flame
pick pocketing
trail flame
usually any place for farming Coins of Air is good for the vault coins
but you can only have one in your inventory at one time
inland haven
i farmed in suramar city
fervent mulch
@shadow glen Balcony on suramar where theres like 60 nightborn and a demon
they're all pickpocketable and they respawn within a few seconds of killing them
pickpocket them all, aoe spam, repeat
gaunt jay
keeping artful dodging off the meme list is power abuse
inland haven
the real meme is the meme of making artful dodging a meme
how deep will the meta go
gaunt jay
headbands > masks
wraith hollow
If you guys had actually evidence of me shilling for artful dodging I would agree with you. But other than me saying it's better than the low res vanilla masks there is no proofs
gaunt jay
atleast the other masks have more than one colour
inland haven
eyepatches are where it's at
gaunt jay
you cant wedge the brown into everything 
inland haven
what if your mog is brown
gaunt jay
well then sure
trail flame
then it's shit
wraith hollow
There's very little true black in leather.
And not enough to make a straight black mog
gaunt jay
I like those masks with the buckles no meme
wraith hollow
Which ones
inland haven
the level 40 one
inland haven
that set has some cool pieces
wraith hollow
That hair clip tho
inland haven
just be bald
gaunt jay
the one I'm actually using looks kinda nice in this color
inland haven
finding stuff that doesn't clip in this game is a core part of the meta
a true challenge
wearing cloaks on a staff user is impossible
little scroll
if you don't hide your cloak your mog is almost guaranteed to be shit
change my mind
inland haven
the tattered cloaks look cool on some dh mogs
ember mason
Cloaks can work for a mog. they add another layer of detail like a shirt or shoulders.
left void
then you sheate your weapons and all that layer fucks you up
ember mason
Like I said. They can work for a mog. If you don't sheathe anything across the back, then you're fine and won't see much clipping
inland haven
the amount of clipping in the game is pretty pathetic honestly
coarse island
novel bluff
When you get asked to make a druid transmog
jade wave
but you end up with a furry mog instead
cloud latch
solemn lance
Is there a way when you mog artifact weapons that the mog appears on the off hand in the armory ?
The off hand looks really bad
tidal creek
can anyone point me in the direction of a cool pirate transmog , idc how generic it is or w/e just want one so i can embrace my inner outlaw
runic sparrow
Macky's pirate mog is pinned.
inland haven
stinky pirate
fervent mulch
That wasn't very tee hee of you
fervent mulch
Legion
inland haven
oh wow i didn't know that
fervent mulch
Yeah you could transmog an offhand weapon over your artifacts
But blizz fucked it up when they did the artifact transmogs
inland haven
artifact xmog system is so weird
fervent mulch
In the beta it was two tabs, one for main hand and one for offhand artifact weapons
inland haven
even broken on login screen lol
fervent mulch
but druids bitched because it wasnt awarding their shapeshift forms
inland haven
furries 😡
fervent mulch
so blizzard decided to fuck over every dual wield class
Where they SHOULD have kept the MH/OH system for every class except druids
inland haven
weird that they didnt just add some option for druids to toggle forms
fervent mulch
and given the druids the dual mog so that it gave them their forms
But that would require Zugsworth to have an absolute minimum of competence
which he clearly does not
wraith hollow
Priests had optimization issues with mog too supposedly.
worn yew
my feral druid can choose its forms but cant choose which colour of them, so if i want to use pvp or challenge skin i only have the 1 option for each one. seems pretty fucked
lilac glade
Right click on the skin gives a drop down menu @worn yew
worn yew
... seriously!? jesus fuck im slow
ive been using the pvp skin with the tint i didnt like since bfa launch
jade wave
its not that you're slow its just that the way it works was never explained anywhere and I think only druids use that function
worn yew
well thanks for clearing that up for me anyway @lilac glade
sour crypt
@tidal creek heres my outlaw mog. i'd use plundered admiral's bicorne if it didn't look so stupid on orcs 😄
slim fog
fervent mulch
@sour crypt That lower half is a hard pass
Lol, point out which half of the imposing set I used please.
Just because my colors actually match doesn't make it a set.
Nope, those are the bloodfang boots
I can understand your confusion since my set actually matches though.
sour crypt
thanks
fervent mulch
No, yours is shit because the orange brown on the pants and gloves clashes with the red on the chest.
inland haven
oof
fervent mulch
And because the belt is a completely different shade of ochre
inland haven
brown chest would be better tbh
fervent mulch
Do you seriously think I give sets bad scores just because they don't match outfits I make?
If you made another solid pirate set I'd commend you appropirately
But don't get pissy because you post a bad set and I call you on it.
I said your lower half didn't match and you inaccurately went after my mog, I called you on not knowing what you were talking about and you tried to come back with a personal attack.
Give it a rest man, you lost.
livid slate
also the vanilla ass chest you're using (ironic since you said you don't want to use vanilla ass pants) clashes horribly with the lower half
umbral jackal
Post your set and recieve the fist of judgement. Welcome to rh transmog channel
wraith hollow
Friendly PSA shit talking mogs is fine. Shit talking each other isn't.
queen mason
Hey guys! I really like how the Vancleef looks on the dwarf, do you have any suggestion to improve it from a full set?
wraith hollow
Inb4 belt reference
fervent mulch
The belt!
Also this isn’t really a substitution suggestion but squires shirt is an exact match for the set
If you want longer sleeves
Personally this is hard to recommend on because it’s 45% beard
queen mason
XD it hides the beer belly!
I've tried with the squire shirt but i don't really like the gray hue. Tho i'd love a chest with slightly longer sleeves
sour crypt
That belt is a hard pass
😂
as a horde player im quite envious fo the vancleef set
rose sinew
the belt 😂
formal echo
Shoulders are an improvement, still don't quite match all the other light gold pieces on the outfit. The gold trim on the hat/chestpants are a bit too dark compared to the gloves/boots/swords. You can kind of get away with all of that though, (especially since all the reds seem to match well enough) but the green leather under the shoulders really stands out. I'd find different shoulders or try and change the rest of the set to match the shoulders with the darker metal trim.
tawdry hedge
Ok ty i will try to get some new gear
inland haven
Is BFA pirate leather a meme at this point?
tidal creek
belt?
wraith hollow
@inland haven all current content mog Is always a little meme
It's what you see the most because it's new and everyone is getting it
ember mason
Use that belt from WoD. The one with the poison tipped daggers above the groin 
tidal creek
Why is green purple big no?
ember mason
They are hard to get to work well together.
jade wave
bro pull up your headband how are you supposed to dps if you cant see shit
little scroll
when you do HFC trash runs and get 3 pairs of boots and no belts :(
fast quest
I presend you the gorilla girl..!!!
the nightborne tiara meshes it up but I will change haircut..!!
fierce wigeon
Belt and helm are crap
fast quest
yeap drug addiction could do that..still I like their pale skin..
I would have preferred the zombie bodies but mehh
worn yew
they wanted to give horde more "pretty" options
viscid stratus
reminder that they gave horde belf because people complained that their girlfriends have no pretty race too play on horde side
novel bluff
I want my goat girls and i want them now
coarse island
@viscid stratus lmao is that tru?
worn yew
"their girlfriends" riiight
seen a lot of people on reddit wanting more "pretty races" for horde though before nightbornes. and recently seen a lot of demand for new slutmog items as well. so i can believe thats part of why blizz gave horde belfs
subtle bronze
viscid stratus
belf is the 20year recovery addict
clean for a while, got his shit togheter etc....
nightborne just got off meth
worn yew
I mean belfs are stick figures
fervent mulch
Alexstraza is a canon thicc blood elf
hallow wharf
Are good darkspear troll mogs possible?
I kinda wanted to race change, but I can’t deal with how lanky they are
wraith hollow
Wait for zandalari
hallow wharf
I’m not super interested in them
ember mason
@hallow wharf Your best bet would probably be the leather armor from the Troll raids. That's the best we can do with the Darkspear-centric mog.
jade wave
there's a lot of troll-ish pieces on bc zul aman, I believe there's a naaru @ shattrath that sells some as well
agile steeple
@wraith hollow have you played one yet? They were running real funny before.
hallow wharf
I've only messed with the dressing room, and a few addons in game. My main rogue is forsaken, because I have no taste
tranquil pagoda
How’s my outlaw looking?
fervent mulch
Small
tranquil pagoda
xD
wraith hollow
0/10
lapis falcon
Anyone got a good mog using the mythic helm of CoL? The skull one
fervent mulch
I’m drawing a blank. Post it
wraith hollow
What is CoL
fervent mulch
Bruh
buoyant valley
this one ^^
buoyant valley
LOL it does
wraith hollow
Those helms are shit
fervent mulch
We were all trying to figure out what the hell you were talking about
wraith hollow
Guy isn't the one who asked btw
buoyant valley
(i also think the helm looks bad im just here to help you figure out which helm hes talking about)
wraith hollow
But ya I think that helm barely even works with the set
buoyant valley
LOL
fervent mulch
And you know what matches that helmet, a bottle of nogenfloggen
icy pulsar
The only part that works is the glowing part
fervent mulch
Hope for skeleton buff
buoyant valley
and then you dont have to look at it anymore?
icy pulsar
The horde elite ones aren't bad
icy pulsar
The alliance ones are complete garbage
wraith hollow
The S2 horde elite set was nice before they made it purple and added spikes to it
buoyant valley
yeah
the non elite set looks way better
just the black one, with way less spikes
wraith hollow
Yeah it's my favorite set in the game
buoyant valley
the mythic version isnt even close
icy pulsar
The raid or the pvp version
buoyant valley
i know right
icy pulsar
Imagine not playing rogue and missing that set 😂 🔫
All the good elite sets come out when I'm unsubbed
And the garbo ones when I'm subbed
buoyant valley
thats how they get you
wraith hollow
Mythic set is nice too but I agree the red is better
fervent mulch
I like the green/gold/teal of the mythic version
It’s a bold color combo but it blends incredibly well, making the details of the armor pop
Too much of the PvP version is black
The armor has some amazing 3D elements and textures that get buried in the wall of grey and black
buoyant valley
that set in general is one of my favs
both pvp and mythic
its really well done imo
formal echo
all of the rogue sets from legion were great
at least bliz gave rogues a good sendoff for tier appearances before we got the trash we have now in bfa
formal echo
I dunno, I feel like they were all great because each set looked like it was themed around one of the three specs. t19 = sub, t20 = assa, t21 = outlaw. That and I just really like the idea of a helmet being made of pure shadow.
viscid stratus
i mean, the kultiras quest/dungeon armor is pretty much a rogue set too sooo.....
and is it bad that i like the idea of zone/raid themed sets more then class themed...? got more then enough class sets imo
worn yew
id kind of like it to alternate tbh. i've nbeen using a lot of bfa pieces just because theyre easy to mix and match but would also like regular class tier sets back too. would be nice if it changed back and forth each raid tier
viscid stratus
we get class set back anyway,so i see it as a nice change if the quesot/dungeon armor still has the same quality
fervent mulch
“we get class set back anyway”
No, we don’t actually. Do you know what a class set is?
viscid stratus
a.....set....made....for a class....?
fervent mulch
Yeah, so which set is made for Rogues this expansion?
viscid stratus
i never said that there is a class set in this expac lol
i said that we get them back, and that the kultiras dungeon set pretty much looks like one
fervent mulch
Imagine defending the removal of class sets on the argument that “well they aren’t making any for the next two years but ion like totally said they were coming back and he never lies”
fervent mulch
Soooooo
I shouldn’t criticize stupid moves by blizzard for fear of hurting your good vibes?
gotchu fam
worn yew
tbf he never said you shouldnt criticize it, just pointed out we'll be getting them back eventually. the lack of class sets will probably annoy me more as time goes on though unless they make some much better sets. no more s1 horde leather quality gear
fervent mulch
It bugs me because the upside was supposed to be the sets we got were better
but they're all worse than the Legion tier
despite blizzard making fewer sets
alpine socket
Trying something new with the chest/dress
fervent mulch
Is the dress not part of the set?
alpine socket
Its one of those long robe chest pieces, so its a two in. I'm not sure whether that violates the rule of 3 with my helm!
fervent mulch
I mean, I thought you were using the 3d elements of the pants to clip through a different dress
which was cool
but if theres just a dress version of the set Im giving you a
Because just changing the shoulders is not creative
alpine socket
Yeah its just the two pieces, helm and chest. Cool idea on the clipping though, I'll have to check that out when I get the pants!
hallow wharf
Pants don’t clip
I have the full mythic set EXCEPT FOR THR FUCKING HELM THAT REFUSES TO DROP OFF THE FIRST BOSS
Personal loot is a good system guys ^.^
rose sinew
yuck whoever said the green legion set is better than the black/red elite set should be brought out back and shot like old yeller
worn yew
red all the way tbh. the fel green belongs on a DH
livid slate
And red is a warrior color
livid slate
Rogues can only be black or dark grey
dull kernel
that's racist 
worn yew
"fel green" *
fervent mulch
https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2013/july/tier16_rogue_male2.jpg
https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2011/october/t13_rogue_male.jpg
https://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/tier10_rogue.jpg
"fel green belongs on DH"
formal echo
look at all that fel green
fervent mulch
BUT ITS NOT ON A DH!?
IMPOSSIBLE
Lets see if fishmicks pulls out the hex colors to explain why the exact shade of green on the mythic set is different from these.
formal echo
petty bullshit arguments aside the only colors the kinda don't belong on rogue are yellow/orange/pink I think.
even so I've made a couple mogs with orange that looked all right so w/e
fervent mulch
Yellow isn't too bad, orange is pretty hard to make work
I think they did one good monk set with orange
fervent mulch
I can respect that answer
worn yew
red is still better though.
fervent mulch
Also this isn't related but looking at the old tier 10 they should make the noose on the chest 3D
If they brought the two leather straps running across the chest out a little at the edges and made the noose a 3D element that sits on the chest it would really make the set pop
hallow wharf
Post gobs.
fervent mulch
That would require someone to play gobs
fervent mulch
Playing horde
fervent mulch
The only thing "good" about the Horde is Tauren
And they can't be rogues so get got
livid slate
“The only good thing about horde is Tauren”
fervent mulch
Well it sure isn't your revolving door of increasingly mediocre warchiefs
Or your inability to master basic masonry
Could it be your bi-annual civil war?
Or your laundry list of crimes against humanity?
I'd say it's Saurfang given that he's your only competent leader at the moment, but he's defected to the Alliance.
fervent mulch
Y'all had Rastakhan for like 6 months but he got gimped just as he was getting interesting.
And now you get his bargain brand Mary Sue of a daughter.
wraith hollow
We also have bwonsamdi
fervent mulch
Bwansamdi is neutral
fervent mulch
He'll make a deal with anyone
If Anduin made a deal with him he'd help the alliance too
fervent mulch
No, but that doesnt make Bwomsandi horde
it just reinforces that hes pragmatic neutral
wraith hollow
He's a darkspear troll God 🤷
Trolls are horde
He's more horde than anything else
fervent mulch
Jani is a troll god too
And yet Im pretty sure she enlisted my help
And there are Alliance races that are devouts of Jani
fervent mulch
The Loa are allied with their followers, their followers just happen to mostly be Horde because of seperate racial ties
But if a human wanted to start worshipping Krag'wa he'd be like "yeah sure whatever gimme flies"
fervent mulch
I'm closing discord cause Im in class but Ill check back later to see your argument
Let me know if you find anything conclusive either way, Im legitimately interested about what you find.
inland haven
I play gob
can't share my mog though cause armory is inactive since i quit playing months ago 😦
hallow wharf
The big reason I don’t want to race change off forsaken
Canibalize
On an RP server, it’s the best
You get angry mails when you eat people’s bodies
Or pop it in arena as BM when someone’s trying to turtle
dull kernel
Saw this majestic creature in Boralus just now. If that's not the best rogue mog, I don't know what is
wraith hollow
@fervent mulch you'd be interested to know bwonsamdi is based off a Baron. Baron Samedi
hallow wharf
Fem gnome rogue is kino
Best racials, good mog
Also cute
Too bad they’re stuck on a shit faction
fervent mulch
@wraith hollow That has no relevance to the argument either way but I love it. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Baron La Croix over here
fucking Loa of Fizzy water
worn yew
bomswamdi is horde alligned as long as the zandalari are. he'd make minor deals with the alliance but unless they all promised to worship him he wouldnt bother switching sides since what he wants are followers and the souls of the dead trolls
fervent mulch
That's a solid argument, but I'm not going to listen to it because it doesn't support the point I'm trying to prove.
worn yew
thats a very fair point and its hard to disagree
fervent mulch
In all seriousness that's a good point for Bwomswamdi, but I'd still argue the Loa as a whole aren't aligned with one faction.
hallow wharf
I don’t think Bwonsamdi is on anyone’s side
But I haven’t paid attention to BFA lore
The man just wants more souls
fervent mulch
He's on the side of death, but he's got the current empress' lineage sworn to him
so he has a vested intrest in Zandalar's continued success
hallow wharf
I wish they kept rastakhan alive a little longer
Rasta and bwonsamdi would’ve made a great end boss fight
fervent mulch
He was way more interesting than Talanji
worn yew
pretty much. if you wanted his allegiance you'd have to make a better deal than what he had with rastakhan
hallow wharf
Too bad the actual fight is undertuned
worn yew
kind sucks that the god king of the zandalari died the first time we meet him
hallow wharf
Mythic Rasta kinda falls over
hallow wharf
I think Rasta was originally designed as an end boss
fervent mulch
TBH DAZ is my favorite raid in the game.
fervent mulch
So's jainas though
I think they wanted the end boss of both wings to feel really epic
hallow wharf
Dazalor is interesting, but I’m not sure I really like it as a raid
None of the mythic fights have interesting exclusive mechanics
fervent mulch
Opulence, Rasta, and Mekka are all great fights
hallow wharf
They’re just beefed up heroic fights
hallow wharf
I’m specifically talking about mythic
But as a raid, it’s fairly strong
Undertuned, but strong
fervent mulch
Like, I fucking love the atmosphere of the fights
worn yew
a lot of fairly unique mechanics got added in which is nice
hallow wharf
If they can learn from their mistakes
They didn’t fall into the trap of making the middle raid tier stupid hard
Which is really nice
hallow wharf
Brf is one of the best raids of all time imo
Amazing atmosphere, crazy fights, super good transmog
fervent mulch
but I will concede that it's better than highmaul was
fervent mulch
lel
hallow wharf
Wod raiding was kino
fervent mulch
Now Im trying to think about what the worst raid was
fervent mulch
Oh yeah
hallow wharf
Tempest keep was ass too
hallow wharf
ToC has fun fights
fervent mulch
To be fair I didnt start till late wrath
hallow wharf
Like salt and pepper
fervent mulch
so I cant objectively judge BC
hallow wharf
But bad environment
fervent mulch
Im torn on dragon soul
The first half dragged on but I liked the second half
even though most people hated spine and madness
hallow wharf
Everything after ultrax sucks
The raid itself is a little too epic for its own good
I hate when wow tries to be super epic
I like my raids grounded
Like Nighthold
Is the perfect raid
From an enviro and story standpoint
It’s grounded in reality, the threats ramp up logically
fervent mulch
I just wish thrall hadnt swooped in after every fight
hallow wharf
And every fight feels epic
fervent mulch
But I thought they were fun and properly scaled for how big a villan deathwing was
hallow wharf
Maybe I’m weird
I just get super taken out fighting stuff like
Deathwing, argus
But at the same time, I have no problem with stuff like rag
Or Archie
I really don’t want to fight nzoth
Ghuun was okay because you’re only fighting him in the last 20%
You really feel like you’re tickling the shit out of him
fervent mulch
Argus felt like an episode of Jojos
hallow wharf
For most of the fight
fervent mulch
Antorus was so over the top
How is fighting Nzoth different than fighting Yogg or C'Thun though?
I didn't mind fighting Yogg
hallow wharf
I don’t like those fights either
But yogg you have help from the keepers
Light In the darkness isn’t canon
And it’s a very small exposed piece of yogg
Same with cthuun
I think they’re going to go all out
And we’re going to murder the shit out of nzoth
Some people will like it, I won’t, but I’m only one person
We’re going to find out that killing nzoth fucks up the balance of the old gods
Or something dumb
Then go to dragon isles and fuck with deathwings son
Forgot his name
fervent mulch
Sylvanas is endboss
she consumes the power of N'zoth
and builds a new horde
the Horde leaders rebel
fervent mulch
and join the alliance in a joint offensive where we siege undercity
hallow wharf
She hates sylvanas so much
worn yew
tbf i think a lot of people will be annoyed either way. its either we kill an old god for once or its just another old god fight where we dont actually kill anything which people will rage about being overly repeated
fervent mulch
Sylvanas is defeated but anduin orders her spared to stand trial
She escapes and goes back in time to before arthas destroyed Quel'Thalas
Bringing the now saved high elves to her side and creating an army of Iron Elves who storm through the sunwell and lay siege to azeroth
fierce wigeon
"Meme Elves of Quel'Thalas"
worn yew
you give them too much credit. they'd keep the "warlords" part instead
fervent mulch
Warlords 2: Elven Boogagloo
fervent mulch
If sylvanas can actually be dead for good at the end of this expansion I will be so fucking happy
dull kernel
yeah let's get rid of all characters people loved since wc3
fervent mulch
IDK about you but I've hated Sylvanas since she was raised as a banshee
fervent mulch
Shes treacherous and betrays everyone who works with her
She allied with Garithos and the living refugees of Lordaeron and despite his faults, Garithos upheld his end of the bargain
and Sylvanas slaughtered him and the refugees
dull kernel
garithos wasn't cool though
dull kernel
I don't mind him dead tbh
dull kernel
don't recall that part well tbh
fervent mulch
She bitches and moans about arthas while being just as bad
dull kernel
was it after she broke free?
fervent mulch
yes
dull kernel
well either way you can't have all characters 100% good and 100% evil
fervent mulch
She was a hyppocrite from the start. She slaughters the humans who allied with the forsaken, and then moans about why humans dont trust the undead
Yeah it's a real tragedy that her city got razed and she was raised as a banshee, but it doesnt excuse the countless atrocities she committed
Shes acted like a tyrannical hyppocrite from the moment she started leading the undead. She made asinine and pointless decisions that ostracized her from every ally that tried to accept the forsaken, and then moaned about how nobody would accept the forsaken
dull kernel
she doesn't care for allies
fervent mulch
She bemoans a curse she inflicts on other corpses and simultaneously complains about how miserable it is to be an undead while working to raise more corpses into her ranks
She admits that life as an undead is inferior and yet makes every attempt to subject more people to it
Shes a fucking psychopath, shes a hyppocrite, and the people who blindly support her do it either because they know almost nothing about her backstory or because they cant see past her giant purple tits.
dull kernel
you know bad guys can also be appealing to people
fervent mulch
When they're compelling yes
dull kernel
look at anduin. he's all good and stuff but he's just boring
nobody cares about anduin
fervent mulch
She walks around shooting herself in the foot and then complains about how hard it is to walk
She acts evil for no reason because the plot needs something to happen
that's not compelling, that's random acts of psychopathic insanity
dull kernel
i'd take that over saurfang crying about his honour 24/7
fervent mulch
You want a compelling villain? Garrosh was a compelling villain.
dull kernel
garrosh was cool
fervent mulch
I understood why garrosh did what he did, even as I felt it was atrocious
You feel bad when Garrosh dies because garrosh was a guy who tried to do what he thought was right, but went further and further down the wrong path to do it
until his end goal was twisted to the point of being a mockery of his original purpose
THAT was a compelling villan.
Sylvanas cackles evily and commits war crimes without purpose because we need plot to advance
dull kernel
as if garrosh's war crimes had purpose
fervent mulch
They were all done to consolidate the Horde's power, Theramore was to take out the Alliance garrison within marching distance of orgrimmar
The sha began as his attempts to harness what he thought was a weildable weapon
dull kernel
don't see it being that much different from what sylvanas did in bfa
like bombing theramore and burning the tree
viscid stratus
tbf, you need too be a special kind of stupid too use old god stuff as a weapon and think nothing can go wrong
fervent mulch
Yeah garrosh was a dumbass
but he was a compelling dumbass
And Im not saying he was perfect
viscid stratus
i mean, he was a warrior
dull kernel
😄
fervent mulch
but he was a better villain than sylvanas
hallow wharf
Garrosh was also corrupted by a being that fed off his insecurities
You saw a villains weakness
And how he harnessed it into his strength
It would’ve been cool if garrosh stayed in jail
And just watched as people fucked his horde
dull kernel
but still
hallow wharf
He’d just get angrier and angrier
dull kernel
how's theramore different from teldrassil?
fervent mulch
Because with garrosh it made sense
hallow wharf
I miss being a gnome
fervent mulch
Garrosh was vying to reinforce the horde during a period of unease
fervent mulch
Sylvanas decided out of the fucking blue during the middle of a treatied peace "What if we burned down a tree full of women and children"
hallow wharf
Both
fervent mulch
@viscid stratus both
hallow wharf
It was a joint effort
dull kernel
as if azerite isn't important
fervent mulch
majority alliance
fervent mulch
It was the majority of the Alliance and the horde rebellion
which is why the alliance could have wiped them out after killing garrosh
fervent mulch
I think it's lower now
dull kernel
"what if we burn down a tree full of civilians" vs "what if we nuke an island full of civilians"
hallow wharf
It wasn’t full of civilians
hallow wharf
It was full of the allies best commanders and stuff
fervent mulch
It was evacuated
hallow wharf
And they kept moving in more people
dull kernel
as if it's an excuse to nuke it
hallow wharf
Garrosh postures some troops
To bait more soliders
Into theramore
Before nuking it
Which is hilarious
fervent mulch
It was a military target, full of military troops and military ships
You know fucking nothing about the lore @dull kernel
hallow wharf
Called out
dull kernel
lol k)
dull kernel
doesn't make nuking theramore a nice move
fervent mulch
Yeah nukes arent typically fucking nice
hallow wharf
No ones saying it’s nice
fervent mulch
But its valid
fervent mulch
unlike sylvanas burning kids alive because she got salty that an elf called her out
hallow wharf
Darnasus was about testing azerite
dull kernel
you making it sound as if those two were night and day
hallow wharf
It is tho
dull kernel
cause mass kiling soldiers is fine
fervent mulch
Literally they were gonna storm the city and sylvanas got salty that a sentinel called her out on being a hyppocrite bitch
hallow wharf
I think sylvanas was always going to burn the tree
fervent mulch
Nathanos is shocked when she orders it burned
hallow wharf
They just wanted to use delaryn as a dramatic device
fervent mulch
Watch the cinematic
Nathanos isnt expecting to fire the bombs
they're preparing to invade
dull kernel
you think it's all about the elf calling her out?
fervent mulch
Also trick baine into not being there because hed be against the war crimes
Took him 6 fucking months to do something about it though
Giant lumbering hippie bitch
Dude shoulda pulled the tauren out of the horde as soon as he learned about teldrassil
fervent mulch
Tauren are extremely connected with druidism and the earth mother
The world trees are basically the ultimate holy symbol to druidism
dull kernel
"Tauren removed as a playable race" 🤔
fervent mulch
oh
viscid stratus
weeell, the tauren horde enemys on the darkshore event had a different name right?
fervent mulch
outside lore prespecitve
dull kernel
yea
fervent mulch
yeah it wouldnt work outside lore
which is why they didnt do it
but baine shoulda bounced
like saurfang did
fervent mulch
I'd fucking lul if all the tauren had to race change though
viscid stratus
dude
there would be like 5 tauren left
if belf could be shaman/druid
trust me
dull kernel
people still play belf?
fervent mulch
Um
viscid stratus
ik, disgusting
fervent mulch
Are you living in a box?
dull kernel
in a box with alliance crest on it
fervent mulch
People have been playing belf since 2006
dull kernel
I expected less of them when they fucked arcane torrent
fervent mulch
I think horde is 60% belf
viscid stratus
dude
fervent mulch
let me check
viscid stratus
they didnt fucked arcane torrent
dull kernel
they nerfed it because of m+
dull kernel
but it's good in new m+
viscid stratus
^
viscid stratus
the nerf did not change much stuff lol
viscid stratus
yeha, and pvp is not really played by a majority of the playerbase, the game is PvE focused for ages now
icy pulsar
Racials shouldn't be super strong for all content anyway
viscid stratus
pvp i fun and everything, but not the main focus
fervent mulch
And Im sure all 6 pvpers gave one collective shit
dull kernel
I did
fervent mulch
and the army of belf raiders continued to faceroll
viscid stratus
mfw belf rogues can arcane torrent the shadows in kings rest
and you need a priest that has too do a 2sec cast for it
dull kernel
but MD is 45s cd
icy pulsar
5 shamans and purge spam ez clap
viscid stratus
or otherwise you need too aoe slow them or single target purge lol
inc: BuT EvErY MaN
dull kernel
huh
viscid stratus
(is bad since legion, and dead since bfa)
viscid stratus
ye
viscid stratus
nah, i just mean that everytime somone says something about horde racials
people start with every man
dull kernel
relentless with human is good for dps and sometimes for healers
it was op for long time though
fervent mulch
Emfh is worthless now, it doesnt even work on all stuns
viscid stratus
it was op in wod pvp yeha
fervent mulch
the ONE thing its supposed to still work on
dull kernel
what stuns it doesnt work on
viscid stratus
but that doesnt justify the shit they do with racials for years lol
fervent mulch
I dont have a fucking itemized list.
viscid stratus
i mean, they gave zandalari a 100%heal on a 4sec channel lol
fervent mulch
There are stuns that wont break EMFH
dull kernel
AT is good if you manage to find a paladin with no external buffs
fervent mulch
Off the top of my head there are some stuns in TOS that dont break from eMFH
viscid stratus
where a highelf makes 12%more magic dmg cus he is a high elf
dull kernel
tos?
fervent mulch
Holy fuck dude
viscid stratus
thats real racials lol
dull kernel
since when human racial is a pve racial
fervent mulch
Since humans go into raids
viscid stratus
you want too play a priest on kj? go horde for goblin or gtfo
was legit impossible until they fixed it
fervent mulch
Oh shit guys he copied my comment but alternated caps
he proved me wrong
I cant cope with such argumental prowess
dull kernel
that's literally the first time I hear someone talk about human racial in pve
fervent mulch
We were discussing AT in M+
Why are you shocked that we continued disucssing racials in pve
fervent mulch
And Im saying EMFH is worthless in pve
viscid stratus
it has SOME uses in bfa
WM the giant
you can break the thorn
wich is actually really good
but thats the exception
dull kernel
good luck dispelling something off druid with it
fervent mulch
Also Im literally just saying that EMFH doesnt even break every stun
dull kernel
or mage
fervent mulch
If youd bothered to read
dull kernel
you never mentionted pve until tos
dull kernel
cause it works fine in pvp
fervent mulch
when its supposed to
dull kernel
so I had no clue
fervent mulch
Cool, and if PVP was 100% of the content in wow then it would be gravy
But it's not, and yet you acted like Im the dumbass for pointing out stuff you didnt know about
My argument is they were so lazy with the EMFH nerf that it doesnt even work properly half the time
to do the ONE thing its supposed to do now
dull kernel
"EMFH isn't dead but Arcane Torrent is
do you even play wow?"
if PvE was 100% of the content
fervent mulch
Ok but AT not being as useful in PVP is not the same as EMFH literally not working in PVE
but keep trying to force your point, you'll get there eventually
dull kernel
maybe it's intended by boss fight design for you not to be able to break that stun
idk what specific stun we talking
fervent mulch
The eel poison on Snake lady
dull kernel
can't remember much about it 😄
I remember stun on maiden
could you break it with racial?
fervent mulch
Sure, but the ability says all stuns. Meaning all stuns should break
Not SOME stuns
ALL stuns
dull kernel
well they fixed blink removing Jaina stun or something
even though blink removes all stuns
viscid stratus
that was probably made because otherwise you would just stack mages on all dps spots
dull kernel
but it means they might add some limitations to breaking stuns in pve
viscid stratus
jaina is different
you cant fight her as a alliance race
except pandaren
ofc they make the fights somewhat different, cus 50%of all racials ingame are not avaible for that fight
if you COULD play human on that fight and the racial would work
oh boi
dull kernel
Didn't they also make IBF unable to break it?
viscid stratus
dont want too sound like an ass, but that would be more than enough salt too drain the oceans lol
dull kernel
or was it something else
yeah it was IBF
so it's not just 20s cd blink but also 3 min cd ibf
I could imagine them adding human to that list if you could play human there
so perhaps it not breaking stuns isn't a bug in devs' eyes
hallow wharf
Gnome would be more op than human
On jaina
Her main mechanic is a movement effect
Get 20 stacks, then purge with gnome racial
Megalul
That’s why method ran trolls
But they nerfed that strat a week ago
buoyant valley
well
hallow wharf
Troll racial doesn’t work anymore
buoyant valley
they nerfed jaina across the board, to the troll level
so you arent forced to race change for prog
buoyant valley
troll made it so the debuff was 16 seconds, so they just nerfed the duration to 16 seconds for everybody
buoyant valley
since troll was literally required for prog it was absurd if u werent running troll
hallow wharf
I don’t think it was required, just made stuff way easier
At the gear levels people were playing at
I’m sure with modern gear levels, those guilds could smash it without the buffs
fervent mulch
@hallow wharf The 4 second difference was huge
because it caused a stack drop between phases
buoyant valley
^^^^
fervent mulch
At 20 your stacks would roll over into the next phase, but at 16 they dropped just before transition
So it was the difference between a raid starting phase 3 with 10-15 stacks each, and a raid starting phase 3 with 0 stacks each
Which is millions of damage a second in dots
hallow wharf
I think it was more required because of the bug that caused you to start p3 with 4 stacks?
I forget
fervent mulch
Yes but those 4 stacks would be 4 stacks, or 19 stacks
based on the 4 second difference
That's huge
buoyant valley
mhmm
now its just 16 for everybody
so its a more even playing field
and not like KJ where you had to reroll to prog
fervent mulch
Ok Kul Tirans are actually super hype
The old armor actually fits well and their animations are smooth af
terse aurora
I can finally become my DND character with Kul'Tirans