Unicode

[tepid blaze]

nop, been a long time i haven't checked controls so i don't know how recent it is

[echo wasp]

so between 15/8 to 5/9

5/9

[graceful marsh]

Three weeks

Great...

[echo wasp]

unless someone did some checks in between, its all weh ave

we have

[glad roost]

what if 1b got somehow obtained when asd got save corruption

[graceful marsh]

Maybe someone should be responsible for doing life checks every day

[echo wasp]

fuezt

[echo wasp]

your new job is to do that

[graceful marsh]

Prepare to see a job go uncompleted then

[glad roost]

i would do it but idk how to life checks

[graceful marsh]

Honestly probably could just do it with the two sides script

[stoic bobcat]

not yet, im busy atm

[glad roost]

so do we go for ntsq tactic to get 0001~001f?

[abstract marsh]

then they should also be responsible for not reviving one of them

[echo wasp]

aight

[graceful marsh]

If we're doing death checks we're only checking dead ones no?

[heady escarp]

how do i know what charcter this is

its not u+fffd

cuz u+fffd renders for me in game and this doesnt

here its an invisible character in game

[graceful marsh]

Inspect the element, copy text to analyser

[tepid blaze]

i can probably do it ig, since i already run some program daily (like updating my db ect...)

[glad roost]

can i life check with await $nuxt.$root.$children[2].$children[0].$children[0].getCraftResponse({ text: "Water " }, { text: "Fire" });?

[abstract marsh]

yes, when its alive. we had chance to produce another element into alive 🗿 (thats what i meant )

tiny possibility but still possible

[echo wasp]

combining with ? or nothing should give back ? or nothing

[abstract marsh]

nearly 100%

or 100% if there's a complete statistic

[heady escarp]

what

[Letter E With Caron](#1206592567622373446 message)
this is an FD cuz there is u+0090 after the 00c3

[echo wasp]

i wonder if alfo got 1b but didnt realise

actually

why am i singling him out, could be anyone here

[heady escarp]

since when can u get a control character by just randomly using 00C3

[echo wasp]

since forever

[trim pond]

nope, I don't have any c0

[echo wasp]

not me

[abstract marsh]

blame the ai

[heady escarp]

is there a way to get rid of the 00c3 now?

[echo wasp]

you can have fun

[heady escarp]

to only have control character

[heady escarp]

?

[echo wasp]

quote it

the quoted version is already alive

then have fun removing the c3

[heady escarp]

how did someone originally get the revived version of it then

[echo wasp]

we already have 90

ok nvm manha works fine

[trim pond]

nice, easy 90

[abstract marsh]

impressive

[glad roost]

nice job

[echo wasp]

might have a nice 81

[heady escarp]

what was the previous recipe for it

[trim pond]

incrementing from 8d or 86

[glad roost]

8e+8f

[heady escarp]

this new recipe uses this right?

[sonic heart]

plot twist: Ã + Letter M With Diaeresis = Ã{01}

[echo wasp]

sure thing

[glad roost]

plot twist: Ã + Natasquare = Ã{01}

[trim pond]

are we now bruteforce combining à with everything?

[heady escarp]

i mean maybe there are other ways to get it without using Letter E With Caron

[heady escarp]

thats probably a good idea lol

[sonic heart]

combine à with every "Letter [alphabet] With [Accent Mark]"

[heady escarp]

ur assuming we have that

i mean maybe we do idk?

[sonic heart]

make them

[heady escarp]

i could make some of them probably lmao

but i would want a full list of them

like how many different accent marks are there

[glad roost]

combine à with every Append U+XXXX (because that's the tech i used for '{a0}')

[sonic heart]

make them for one accent at a time

[heady escarp]

and probably not all letters have accents

like Q probably doesnt have an accent right?

[echo wasp]

actually 8d can also be simplified

[glad roost]

but ai could give us 0001s when Q with random accent

because

[vagrant scarab]

That's what LLMs do. They make up bullshit.

[sonic heart]

ye but i think we should make them anyways

[echo wasp]

you can add combining accents to make it have an accent

[heady escarp]

does that even count

[heady escarp]

also how many would there be to make, would it be like hundreds

[trim pond]

if it works then yes

[split wraith]

i think i have an idea on how to optimize this

problem is

idk if it only gives that result beecause they did the à like that

[heady escarp]

but so far we have a sample of 1

[lethal nymph]

not gonna happen

don't expect c0 or 7f when using mojibake

[glad roost]

rip

[sonic heart]

but what if...

[heady escarp]

wheres the script that show u tooltips for control chars

[glad roost]

the thing is no one expected 00a0 from append u+2000 so imo worth trying

#1206592567622373446 message

[echo wasp]

c1s came cuz of mojibake

c0 will need a completely different approach

[heady escarp]

ty

[glad roost]

hmm ok

[heady escarp]

do i put this as a new script

[glad roost]

but still

we don't have some c1s as i know

[echo wasp]

that's true

tho it doesn't rly have to do with c0

[trim pond]

interesting. I have never seen something like this happen before

[echo wasp]

I have a feeling 1b happened very recently

woukd be so much better if neal spent just 10 minutes reading the tweet

[lethal nymph]

i tried getting it a while ago but nothing worked

using ansi escape code

[heady escarp]

my recipe for Letter E With Caron

[echo wasp]

The Individual strikes again

He/They have gotten 01 02 03 07 1b 94

94 actually seems more of like an fd snipe

[glad roost]

wait was 94 discovered before us

[echo wasp]

yes

it looked like an fd snipe tho

[glad roost]

holy hell

[echo wasp]

cuz everything else was fd, but Mr. 94, hi Mr. 94, 94 weren't fd

[chilly fulcrum]

What is that append there’s so many quotation marks it’s impossible to see what it is lol

The problem with c0 controls is that even if you just ask llama itself to try printing controls without having the controls themselves in the input, it’s very hard

[split wraith]

any unicodes that need optimizing that arent something like 30000?

[chilly fulcrum]

in fact I don’t know if anyone has even done that

[split wraith]

something more "normal"

[chilly fulcrum]

like if you boot up the model Neal uses and try to get it to print 0001 it just won’t do it unless you say “copy this text: (0001 here)”

until of course someone does do it

[echo wasp]

" ' "

[chilly fulcrum]

it’s just very hard, since all known methods require the character itself to already be present

[echo wasp]

#1206592567622373446 message

[glad roost]

so its rng roll?

[chilly fulcrum]

well yes technically

[trim pond]

i managed to make it output U+0008 without inputting any control characters

[echo wasp]

honestly this really looks like someone sniped fd. but who

[chilly fulcrum]

and how did you do that

[echo wasp]

U+2214?

Dot-plus

[split wraith]

interesting

never seen that one

[glad roost]

the alt equal sign if possible

[trim pond]

#1206592567622373446 message sadly i lost the previous questions because windows reopend my windows when I left it on sleep so

[split wraith]

which one's that

[echo wasp]

1400

[trim pond]

but first I got it to make mojibake then this

[echo wasp]

try doing it again

[chilly fulcrum]

interesting you asked for c1 and mojibake which is specifically exactly what you dont want

[trim pond]

well I accidentally did that. I wanted to ask for c0 but fsr wrote c1

[echo wasp]

c1 might be a typo

yea

[chilly fulcrum]

Like that’s just the actual reverse of what you want but it did it anyway

maybe reverse psychology works

[trim pond]

because I was asing about c0 previously

[chilly fulcrum]

can you do it from a single message though

[trim pond]

so that is probably why. i was like asking it to list some instances on the internet where we can see the actual c0 characters, then I asked it to give me specific examples and then I corrected it and asked it to use the actual c1 character

[chilly fulcrum]

cause remember in game we don’t have the luxury of setting it up

[trim pond]

yeah

i know

[chilly fulcrum]

And is it the same model

like the model Neal is on is very old by now

[trim pond]

i don't know what the actual model is

[chilly fulcrum]

I think we know it’s one of the llama2 models

[echo wasp]

3.1 70b

[trim pond]

is that what neal uses?

[chilly fulcrum]

isn’t that llama 3

[echo wasp]

what u used

[chilly fulcrum]

oh

yeah try it with llama2

we dunno which

but any of them is a start

[split wraith]

whats the current recipe

[chilly fulcrum]

Is control sheet updated now

[trim pond]

ok but i gtg now so later. but you can try too

no

[chilly fulcrum]

In the sheet

[trim pond]

we could also update 90 now that we have a better recipe

[echo wasp]

#1206592567622373446 message
bottom message for an optimisation

[chilly fulcrum]

Ok well if anyone does have access feel free to update it I’ll try catch up tomorrow

[split wraith]

i dont really feel like looking at the book-length sheet rn

[echo wasp]

only laurasia has

I can update my own sheet but I'm nvr gonna share that sheey

[chilly fulcrum]

Hmm is there a problem? I’m open to feedback to make it easier to use

[split wraith]

not really, its just that theres a LOT of unicode

and yes i know there's a search tool

[chilly fulcrum]

and it is daunting?

well search isn’t necessary

it’s ordered

[split wraith]

ik

[echo wasp]

laggy?

[heady escarp]

do we have 93 and 94

[chilly fulcrum]

I assume you mean ingredients tho yeah

[echo wasp]

yea I understand

[split wraith]

there is no problem, i just didnt feel like looking at the sheet

[echo wasp]

yes

we only don't have 99 and 9c

oh wait I forgot to give them a shot

[trim pond]

i really think 9c should be easier if you make 9d change into 9c

[chilly fulcrum]

Hmm well if there’s anything I can do to improve it then let me know

[echo wasp]

yea, 9c also keeps changing to 9b

tho how to make it do that is the question

[trim pond]

next letter/next alphabet i think

you need to combine it with a letter also

so that it accidentally changes the 9d instead of the letter

[chilly fulcrum]

Simple? hmm what am I missing

[heady escarp]

omg guys first discovery 🙀

(i left the tooltip out of the screenshot on purpose)

[chilly fulcrum]

Wdym combine with letter also, do you have example?

[heady escarp]

hi

[split wraith]

i managed to get an easy Mr. Dot Plus

idk if thatll help

[trim pond]

hmm. ok nvm. ig it wasn't next, but Remove Last and then string.append lol.
this goes back and forth between 9c and 9d

[trim pond]

hi

[chilly fulcrum]

append 86 interesting

[trim pond]

yeah idk the ai is just being ai

[echo wasp]

I think everyone should check their files for 1b

[trim pond]

what about you @ c0000218 do you have any c0s?

[echo wasp]

@unknown_hard__error

[trim pond]

oh

[echo wasp]

imagine if he is The Individual all along

[sand coral]

17600

[echo wasp]

huh

cheated

?

[heady escarp]

real

[tepid blaze]

got this randomly and hell the recipe 💀

[echo wasp]

nvm

I'm stupif

I read recent elements as results

[abstract marsh]

lmao

[abstract marsh]

also which setting is it to show {8E} like that

[glad roost]

A0 scam

[tepid blaze]

the exotic charcode tooltip

[echo wasp]

I can't wait for the first c0 to be very straightforward and "was so obvious all along"

[trim pond]

now get exact caps

[trim pond]

yeah, but like "so obvious" means one of the 100000000 possible word combinations/words elements/phenomena who knows

[glad roost]

Bring replace(/[#]/g, ' ')

[heady escarp]

bring replace

🗣️

[echo wasp]

yea but when the recipe comes out it feels so obvious even though it isnt

[echo wasp]

thats VERY necessary

[heady escarp]

i cannot believe i got FD on lowercase in all lowercase, are you kidding me bro

[trim pond]

yes. cause you only think of some good recipes and only like 1 good one works. and the likelyhood of one of us getting it is low

[glad roost]

What if it's like 40 step

[echo wasp]

what if its 200000 step

[trim pond]

what if every unicode character is 40 step

[abstract marsh]

thanks, i guess it doesnt work for higher unicode eh

[echo wasp]

a depth 5000 element should exist right

[trim pond]

lol I wonder what the highest minimal step unicode character is. theoretically there is one

and what the highest minimal step Element is

like max number of steps for any possible element

[echo wasp]

yea whays the highest depth possible

[glad roost]

But that would take whole another level of brute force

Isn't it

[slate whale]

what hidden controls?

[trim pond]

not possible to compute

[echo wasp]

star isn't even doing depth anymore

[abstract marsh]

infinitely high

[echo wasp]

for good reasons

[sand coral]

meanwhile 75%

[trim pond]

then highest minimal depth/steps

[echo wasp]

the lowest highest depth an element needs to be obtained

[trim pond]

yes. I would really love to know

[echo wasp]

the last exxxx:

[abstract marsh]

oh i see...

[sand coral]

[trim pond]

imagine U+e0000 + Invert All Bits = U+effff

or Efffficiency + Unicode = U+effff

[echo wasp]

imagine if we get e0001 and it doesn't increment

[split wraith]

i just got a good 10000

was that one complex?

[abstract marsh]

try make a simple copy of this game and do depth checking on that ( should take several month/year assuming if u can run it 1 craft per 100ms or less )

[trim pond]

i mean there is a chance. also imagine we get e0001 and never e0000

[echo wasp]

surely e0001 + Previous Codepoint = e0000

[trim pond]

we could also do depth/step check with starting elements that would include the most useful looking elements that would help us get c0s and also some random elements just to spice it up

[echo wasp]

effff + water = f0000
f0000 + effff = 10ffff
10ffff + Next Codepoint = 0000

[trim pond]

btw for how many unicode characters do you think there exists a non-character element with which if you combine it, it will give the previous character?

ig you would also ban the element to contain the previous character

[echo wasp]

2ffff gave 2fffe

[echo wasp]

2ffff + 2fffe = 2fffd

[trim pond]

i think that with chars at the end of a block this happens quite a lot

[heady escarp]

im gonna run two sides builder to combine all of these with 2 letter "alphabet"

[echo wasp]

watch it give null

[trim pond]

guys I found null

[heady escarp]

crazy

[split wraith]

is this any good?

[trim pond]

next goal: get negative U+0001

[glad roost]

I want 000a quoted

[heady escarp]

what was the previous 10000 recipe

[glad roost]

So we could get 000a, 00a0, 0a00, a000

[trim pond]

oh right, we would just shift the bits to the left

what if that is how U+0001 was gotten? by shifting the bits of other control chars or whatever

[heady escarp]

wdym by shifting bits

[trim pond]

<<

or <<<

[heady escarp]

?

[trim pond]

oops i said bites. i meant bits

[glad roost]

What if U+0001 + Natasquare codepoint was {01}

[heady escarp]

well im still equally confused

guys what if we combined <control-009c> with something to get it

[trim pond]

well if you have a number/character whatever represented, its binary value is 0bxxxx, x from {0, 1}, and shifting bits just moves them to the left or right, so like shifting them 2 bits to the left you get 0b001001 -> 0b100100

and to the right 0b100 -> 0b1 = U+0001

[heady escarp]

so we need to try this on u+100?

[trim pond]

n

o

on U+2 / U+4 / U+8 / U+10 / U+20 / U+40 / etc. but i don't even have hopes that it would work. we could try though

[heady escarp]

yeah we can try

how would an element thats supposed to do this even look like

[trim pond]

shifting bits either doubles (or quadruples, ...) or halves (makes it a fourth) the original value

[heady escarp]

ok but what would the element be

idk if Shift The Bits would work xd

[trim pond]

actually technically on U+100 it could also work. I didn't realize it was a power of 2

[trim pond]

no clue

[heady escarp]

we can try to copy from programming languages

cuz ik some string stuff that we have in ic exists in programming languages

[trim pond]

sure

[trim pond]

for example String.padboth() or String.thunder.append()

[heady escarp]

ah yes string.thunder

it would probably use < or > somehow

[glad roost]

We should try string.brent too

[trim pond]

yes, maybe like Shift >> Bits >> By >> Two

or Shift >> Bits

[heady escarp]

maybe nata will know

[trim pond]

or just Apply >>

[heady escarp]

what if we tried to get 1 << 1 to just see if it does anything

[trim pond]

or maybe just << 2 or << 1

but it is not shifting the codepoint values which i was suspecting

[heady escarp]

i mean u can try it with u+ stuff

like U+0000 or something similar

i cant try rn cuz im running 2sb

[trim pond]

new longest element strategy?

but probably not

[heady escarp]

string.join also likes to give repeated letters

[trim pond]

what if we just make a string of characters that looks like a wrongly decoded file and then try to make the ai generate the c0 control chars with that?

[heady escarp]

i mean isnt that how we got c1 anyways

with mojibake

[trim pond]

yes, but like mojibake hardly ever contains c0 if it even can

[heady escarp]

also how is c1 related to mojibake

[trim pond]

mojibake is the binary data being interpreted incorrectly iirc (like a single character which is encoded in multiple bytes will be interpreted as multiple characters all 1 byte long)

[graceful marsh]

Alternatively you can manipulate the + sign

[trim pond]

wdym by that

[heady escarp]

and what does that have to do with c1 controls

[trim pond]

well c1 controls get saved as 1 byte characters so they appear a lot in those wrongly decoded texts

[heady escarp]

and why isnt c0 related to mojibake

whats different from c0 and c1

[trim pond]

idk I think I read taht c0 isn't that common

[graceful marsh]

One funny thing I noticed is that by pretending the + between elements is just part of the whole request (a la #give U + {number} to create U + {number} the AI starts getting the point much quicker

[trim pond]

probably because the range of commonly used characters just doesn't usually have the values taht would make c0. idk. that is just my guess

[heady escarp]

also have we tried getting control by using any of these characters with mojibake things?

[trim pond]

probably not

[heady escarp]

bro the 2sb is combining so slowly

[trim pond]

how much % is done?

[heady escarp]

wdym, of my 2sb?

idk how i can possibly even know that

[heady escarp]

nata how do we use bit shifting

like what kind of elements do u think would do it well

[trim pond]

uhm..

[graceful marsh]

It wasn't exactly that element

[lethal nymph]

we're abusing utf8 bytes
the second byte onward are of value 80 ~ bf, which contains the codepoint range for c1, so we can use mojibake to make the game give them to us

also i lost while typing that

[graceful marsh]

I can't remember, it's been like a week

[trim pond]

it is ok i figured it was just an example then

[heady escarp]

is it possible to use mojibake for c0 tho

[lethal nymph]

nop

[graceful marsh]

Nope

Outside the range of possible characters

[heady escarp]

then what other strategies could we use for c0

[lethal nymph]

pray to poseidon

[heady escarp]

other than praying what could we actually try

[lethal nymph]

realistically you can try getting ansi escape sequences

[heady escarp]

do u think this could work

[lethal nymph]

for x1b

[trim pond]

no

[lethal nymph]

but for 01 i'm clueless

the bell character might also work

[heady escarp]

only for that? or could it work on all of c0

[lethal nymph]

only for that

but getting one single c0 is already a feat

maybe we will figure out something from there

[graceful marsh]

What about reverse engineering?

Is Mr. 01 alive?

[lethal nymph]

i might have fd for that

[graceful marsh]

Then no

[glad roost]

So what should we try

[heady escarp]

0x1b isnt the only one listed here

[lethal nymph]

but it's the most common one

[heady escarp]

and what elements would we need to combine to try to make this happen in IC

[lethal nymph]

well except \r and \n

but we don't talk about them

[heady escarp]

whats \r and \n

[split wraith]

ok i gotta go now

later ill see if i can optimize 30000

[lethal nymph]

CR and LF respectively

[trim pond]

huuuuh?

[heady escarp]

do u think the ai might associate ^[ and 0x1B with 001b

[lethal nymph]

nice fd

[lethal nymph]

nope

[heady escarp]

cuz these elements would be super short

[heady escarp]

why

and how do we make it associate it

[lethal nymph]

^[ is a representation for 1b

[heady escarp]

yeah so why cant it give 1b

[lethal nymph]

same way the display block can't give you controls

[graceful marsh]

Perchance a "What Control Char Does This Represent" might do it

Shortened, of course

[trim pond]

wait so wdym by ansi escape sequences then if not ^[ kind of stuff

[graceful marsh]

Back to reverse enegineering, though

[heady escarp]

"sm" + ö = smörgåsbord

real

[heady escarp]

whats a display block?

[lethal nymph]

basically i hope that llama can give us a terminal output

[lethal nymph]

control pictures

[heady escarp]

also dont know what that is lol

[lethal nymph]

google

[heady escarp]

what does a terminal output look like

[trim pond]

hm.. yeah I was trying to do that for a bit too but didn't find anything interesting

[glad roost]

Call laurasia

[lethal nymph]

open cmd and type dir

[glad roost]

We need someone to pray to Poseidon

[lethal nymph]

actually i forgot if dir uses colors

[graceful marsh]

What about "{letter}([space])[0001]". Are any of they alive?

[lethal nymph]

but every time you see colors in the terminal, 1b is present there

[heady escarp]

i did that and idk how its related to control characters

[graceful marsh]

.

[heady escarp]

i only see black and white

[lethal nymph]

because dir doesn't use colors

[graceful marsh]

Mmm beer

[heady escarp]

do u think elements like <control-001b> could work

[lethal nymph]

that is also a kind of representation

thing is

they're used for display purposes, aka when you don't want to show the actual control characters

so i really don't think they can help making the model give us c0

[heady escarp]

maybe theres some way to get to c0 using c1 characters

[graceful marsh]

Unlikely

Involves both a decrement and a jump

Over perhaps the most magnetic region might I add

Plus these don't tokenise like other chars anyway

[lethal nymph]

Can Use Control Characters + For Example: surely

[trim pond]

what about smth like this. not sure what names exactly to put before and after @ to have the highest chance but

probably like user@virtualbox:~$ would be better

[heady escarp]

what does the virtualbox element mean

[trim pond]

cause this way it doesn't make sense

[lethal nymph]

it'd also need to be alphabetically higher than the command

[heady escarp]

what about 01user@virtualbox:~

[lethal nymph]

nobody names their user 01user

[heady escarp]

wouldnt the ai just ignore the 01

[trim pond]

this one is interesting

[heady escarp]

does anyone names their user adminuser

cuz admin starts with a

[trim pond]

adam@ ?

starts with a

[lethal nymph]

yea just use something generic

[trim pond]

adam is a pretty common

n

a

m

[vagrant scarab]

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[lethal nymph]

damn

[glad roost]

lol

[lethal nymph]

my user and hostname used to be nat@square lol

[untold crystal]

17580

[glad roost]

that's cool

[heady escarp]

whats the name for the thing where u are just reading messages in a channel but not saying anything urself

[glad roost]

"we'll definitely get c0 by pure luck"
-ntsq

well maybe not

[sand coral]

0CD5 0CD6
the rest are not assigned

[pulsar island]

Make it yellow

[glad roost]

but he's gone

[slate whale]

lurk

[glad roost]

he got stabbed by sappowo

[heady escarp]

"dė" + ö = ödé

[heady escarp]

yeah, c00002 is doing that

[glad roost]

you should say something c0

you are one of the best player among us

[heady escarp]

wait wtf

the first characters of his username are c0

[glad roost]

what

[heady escarp]

the characters we want to get is c0

[glad roost]

we alr have c0

[heady escarp]

this cant be a coincidence!

[glad roost]

and we need c0

so we need c0 making c0

[heady escarp]

no

c0 control characters became self conscious AI and created a discord account

and they named it c0000218

nd then got u+0001 to do a little trolling

[glad roost]

that would explain how c0 is very good at this game and complete very hard bountys

but what if c218 is c-418

[untold crystal]

Here are all the exceptions to the Next Codepoint. Someone found 175A0 but didn't post the recipe

aaaa. it was already posted.... nevermind

[graceful marsh]

Could we get the AI to import Table 1 from the Wiktionary for controls?

Oh wait it doesn't even have them

[glad roost]

rip

[heady escarp]

do u mean wikipedia?

[graceful marsh]

Nope

[heady escarp]

wiktionary page for control character doesnt have any control characters

[glad roost]

there's wihipedia and wikionary

[graceful marsh]

Neither does the Wikipedia, but I knew that fact beforehand

I thought Wikt might have them but nope

[glad roost]

can we kidnap c0s from unicode.org

[heady escarp]

also do u guys know when i copied something why i copied u+0009

"mg" + à = mgó real

[glad roost]

laurasia theory moment

[graceful marsh]

Incredible

Perhaps we could try bullshit Teletext?

[untold crystal]

175C0

[glad roost]

at this rate radu will have every single unicode in his save

(obtainable)

[graceful marsh]

Teletext is looking concerningly more tantalising the more I read it

[glad roost]

well

call ntsq

[graceful marsh]

Ah fuck just downloaded a 156 page manual onto my phone

[lethal nymph]

i have fell into that trap so many times ever since google started displaying files in the search results page

i have fell into that trap so many times ever since google started displaying files in the search results page

[heady escarp]

u said that twice

[glad roost]

no

he said that only once

[heady escarp]

"pp" + à = Página

[sand coral]

0DCF
0DCD and 0DCE unassigned

[graceful marsh]

Discord Echo feature

[lethal nymph]

whoops

[heady escarp]

whats that

[graceful marsh]

It doubles your messages occasionally to simulate an echo

[heady escarp]

no only nata does that

[lethal nymph]

yea it's an experiment for now

[glad roost]

is there some place we can find the biggest unicode nerds

[heady escarp]

thats a nata feature not a discord feature

[glad roost]

so we could get some help in c0

[heady escarp]

we gotta use that for c0

[tepid blaze]

cool

[graceful marsh]

Not so fast

[lethal nymph]

tbh this thread taught me more about unicode than my 2 years of programming

[heady escarp]

i knew literally nothing about unicode this thread

[glad roost]

what did you learn lol

[heady escarp]

before this thread*

[glad roost]

me too

[heady escarp]

i still know almost nothing xd

[graceful marsh]

According to my manual we could only get as low as 0008 if we were lucky

[glad roost]

i didn't knew control exists

[heady escarp]

any c0 would be great

[graceful marsh]

More likely we'd hit c1s however

[lethal nymph]

i didn't know how surrogate pairs worked back then

[heady escarp]

whats a surrogate pair

[lethal nymph]

so true

[heady escarp]

still cool

[lethal nymph]

hold on didn't we had this talk a while ago

i even limked you the definition

[heady escarp]

but i dont remember the definition

[graceful marsh]

Welcome to Purgatory

[heady escarp]

i forgor

[glad roost]

google dementia

[heady escarp]

"rp" + à = röböt

[untold crystal]

Again, the exceptions to Next Codepoint

[heady escarp]

º is masculine ordinal indicator

since when can literal circles be masculine or feminine?

guys if circles are masculine does that mean squares are feminine

that means natasquares are feminine

[graceful marsh]

You know ordinal numbers

[untold crystal]

This is interesting

[heady escarp]

no

[graceful marsh]

1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on

[heady escarp]

Radu -> Redu -> Red

wtf new color just dropped

[heady escarp]

huh

[graceful marsh]

Those are ordinals

[heady escarp]

do u mean 1, 2, 3 and so on?

[graceful marsh]

No

1st, 2nd, 3rd

[heady escarp]

oh

[graceful marsh]

Sometimes you see them with the text part in tiny text superscript right

So 1^st, 2^nd and so on

(I'm typing on a phone formatting is hard)

[heady escarp]

idk what ur talking about rn

wtf is 1^st supposed to mean

[graceful marsh]

I'm talking about the masculine ordinal indicators

[heady escarp]

why is the ^ there

[heady escarp]

does that mean numbers can be masculine or wht

is there a feminine ordinal indicator

[graceful marsh]

Like this

[heady escarp]

also hi person who was just typing something

[graceful marsh]

Yes, in Italian, Spanish, etc.

[heady escarp]

so the st is an ordinal

[graceful marsh]

No

The entire thing is an ordinal

[heady escarp]

i dont think that counts

[glad roost]

Should we make a thread for c0 ctrls

[graceful marsh]

That's literally what they're used for

The masculine feminine ordinal indicators are for Portuguese and Italian

[heady escarp]

huh why do they need that tho

like does the word for numbers in their languages have gendered versions

[graceful marsh]

Yeah

[sonic heart]

Because gendered words

[heady escarp]

like how table in lithuanian is a masculine word

even tho its kinda meaningless

[graceful marsh]

So 1st man is different from 1st woman

Primo {man} and prima {woman}

1o man and 1a woman

[heady escarp]

º and how do u use this charaacter

do u use it like 1º man

[graceful marsh]

Yeah

[sonic heart]

1° man
1ª woman

[graceful marsh]

ª for feminine nouns

Yep

[heady escarp]

damn the letter a is a woman

thats crazy

[lethal nymph]

i think that's called #1206592567622373446

[sonic heart]

Funny seeing native English speakers not fully understand gendered stuff

[heady escarp]

no this is for all unicodes

[graceful marsh]

Should I get my laptop

It's on the other side of the room I think I can make it

[heady escarp]

✅ ☑️

oh i just remembed lithuanian also has that

pirmas = first (male) pirma = first (female)

[graceful marsh]

Meanwhile Indonesian has no genders at all

[glad roost]

it would be pretty funny if laurasia make c0 before this poll end

[heady escarp]

wtf every indonesian is non binary?

[graceful marsh]

Jesus okay I'm gonna just call a nurse or something

[graceful marsh]

We have no pronouns

Everyone is a they

[heady escarp]

so u are all non binary

👍🏻

[graceful marsh]

I mean strictly speaking yes, we have 3 genders anyway legally

So there is no binary

We have a gender... trinary?

[heady escarp]

is the 3 version of binary trinary?

[lethal nymph]

ternary

[graceful marsh]

Ternary

Yeah just remembered

[sonic heart]

Portuguese has no gender neutral stuff

[graceful marsh]

Actually if you're Bugis there's a gender quinary

[heady escarp]

wtf how is that even possible

how can u have 4

[graceful marsh]

5

[sonic heart]

Lol what

[heady escarp]

male, female, non binary, what else?

what else can u even add

[glad roost]

Attack Helicopter

[graceful marsh]

Born male presenting as male, born male presenting as female, opposite, intersex

[sonic heart]

💀

Sure i guess

[graceful marsh]

Strong tradition, goes back to the 1100s IIRC

[heady escarp]

damn they invented trans people in the 12th century

crazy

[sonic heart]

I wonder who was the first trans person

[heady escarp]

bro imagine just being the first guy to be like "hmm i wanna be a woman"

or in reverse

people would probably think ur ridiculous if u would tell that to them

[sonic heart]

"I don't wanna fight in a bloody war for 2 years for a leader i don't like"

[graceful marsh]

Interesting skirting of some slightly transphobic concepts here

Regardless, the gender binary has been contested since the 3rd millenium BCE

[candid trellis]

Why no 🐴?
😢

[heady escarp]

guys new FD just dropped 🙀

[candid trellis]

Capital i? Or l

[graceful marsh]

If I do end up dying I don't want to permanently be memorialised as a horse

[candid trellis]

But it would be funny though

[heady escarp]

idk but it has a control character thats why its fd

� + "xn" = xn+1

real

except its not fffd

[graceful marsh]

Isn't that a disableable option on Firefox

Let me check

Wait is this a Fox problem or a Goog problem

I can't remember

[sonic heart]

?

[heady escarp]

im on firefox

[sonic heart]

Someone should start grinding Hangul chars

[lethal nymph]

wasn't there that one guy

[graceful marsh]

Go something gar

Also hold on we have a Korean here don't we?

[sonic heart]

Barely any Hangul chars have been found within the last like month

I think

[graceful marsh]

therefore

[sonic heart]

?

[heady escarp]

therefore we are

[graceful marsh]

No

No one else is gonna jump in on the therefore?

[heady escarp]

nope

[tame violet]

jumps on therefore

did i do well?

[sonic heart]

I'm confused

[untold crystal]

17680

[tame violet]

same lmao

[heady escarp]

bro all of us are typing incomprehensible things while radu is just casually grinding unicode

[tame violet]

real

‼️

[heady escarp]

chess brilliant move

[heady escarp]

therefore we kidnap the korean guy?

[graceful marsh]

Mrh

Okay the nurse got me my laptop

Gonna try to use some of the ideas earlier

[sonic heart]

Alright

[graceful marsh]

Saying that, it is entirely possible I fall asleep again

[glad roost]

Well technically I'm Korean

[graceful marsh]

What do you mean technically

[glad roost]

I don't live in korea rn

[graceful marsh]

That doesn't...

Ah nevermind

[heady escarp]

do u speak korean

[glad roost]

Yes

[heady escarp]

cool then maybe u can help get hangul somehow

u can politely asking neal in korean to give u all his money

maybe he wont say no cuz he wont understand what ur saying

[sonic heart]

just use Google translate

[heady escarp]

we can spend his money on paying people to grind hangul unicodes 24/7

[graceful marsh]

Alright first order of operations, which controls do I need to add to the Control sheet?

[glad roost]

Call asd

[heady escarp]

i think 9d im not sure

[untold crystal]

The exceptions

[heady escarp]

@graceful marsh

[graceful marsh]

Any others?

By the phrasing of outdated I assumed at least 2 or 3 new ones

[heady escarp]

im pretty sure theres 1 other one

@graceful marsh there 0097

i dont think there are any other ones

[sonic heart]

BTW i think the only reason this worked is because "manhã" and "manha" are both portuguese words

[heady escarp]

also why dont all controls marked as found have a link

is it cuz theyre not documented well enough?

[graceful marsh]

Because they're increments

[glad roost]

0090 optimised

[heady escarp]

u can link this

except the first element isnt shown in that lineage

[heady escarp]

u get the first element using this recipe

[glad roost]

#1206592567622373446 message

[heady escarp]

and letter e with caron is here

[graceful marsh]

Could you link that in the message Obby?

That way you can follow backwards from ASD's final lineage

[heady escarp]

uhh wdym u mean post a message linking to everything?

[graceful marsh]

No

[graceful marsh]

Just in this message link the Letter E With Caron lineage

[heady escarp]

[Letter E With Caron](#1206592567622373446 message)
[Ð](#1206592567622373446 message)
[](#1206592567622373446 message) ( U+0090 )

is that what u mean

also whoops one of the lnks didnt work

[graceful marsh]

No

[glad roost]

markdown fail

[graceful marsh]

I mean edit the message I replied to to include a link to the Letter E With Caron recipe

[sonic heart]

Edit this message to have a link to the letter e with caron recipe in it

[heady escarp]

i did

[graceful marsh]

Not that message

Oh there we go

Okay all good

[heady escarp]

i wonder why that doesnt work

[graceful marsh]

Any other ones to include in here?

[heady escarp]

idk what else u could include

[graceful marsh]

I've lost track of the other Unicode-adjacent projects

[glad roost]

hangul sheet?

[graceful marsh]

...?

[lethal nymph]

do we have an unassigned sheet

[heady escarp]

what hangul has its own shee?

theres already a hangul tab

[graceful marsh]

Used to, not anymore

If you want it back you'll need to work out a decent format

Before it was basically a dumpsheet

[glad roost]

i think we had unicode tool sheet

idk i forgor

[graceful marsh]

I suppose technically there's this sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MoTSU2Sh0fbmq0hjrp38i-Ss4PhEgSCv2BZy6FLodnU/edit#gid=0

This can be integrated into the U+ Codepoints sheet though

Speaking of which how do we feel about the U+ codepoints sheet?

[heady escarp]

btw the tab in control sheet is called hangul lol

[glad roost]

Holy hell true

[graceful marsh]

Ah right

[heady escarp]

it doesnt have a lot, and all of the recipes just used previous ones

so u probably would have to go on a massive side quest if u wanted to follow one of them

[graceful marsh]

I'll probably be asleep and/or asleep when Rubiks wakes up tomorrow, but I think it would be a good idea to at least discuss that tab

[heady escarp]

it would be cool if there was like a guide somewhere to making codepoints with "..u-" strat

[glad roost]

just using ..u- tech is enough imo

[graceful marsh]

Probably

[heady escarp]

also the U+0020 one could at least link to the optimisheet lineage

[graceful marsh]

Tenuous, most people looking for it would ask about it in AWWM first anyway, at which point someone will tell them to head to AWWO

[glad roost]

what should we name it

[untold crystal]

176C0

[graceful marsh]

That's a nice tree

Very treelike

[untold crystal]

Exceptions

[graceful marsh]

Second order of magnitude, I believe the tools directory needs fixing

[glad roost]

https://discord.com/channels/1203527044957208596/1281309424790671390

so yeah if anyone tried anything for c0

just post it there

[graceful marsh]

For the briefest of moments I thought you put a control char in a Discord title

[glad roost]

I tried

it just disappear

[sonic heart]

d028

d024

im just slowly gonna make my way backwards until i hit d000 lmao

d033

[graceful marsh]

Actually I think you'll find that that is forwards

[sonic heart]

wow i didnt know that

thank you for informing me

[graceful marsh]

No problem

That'll be 5.20

[heady escarp]

5,20*

[sonic heart]

https://tenor.com/view/call-of-duty-zombies-zombies-gif-21416279

keep the change

[graceful marsh]

Holy shit $200 thanks

[heady escarp]

sorry but its not even 29% of 1 cent

[graceful marsh]

I'm sorry did you just quote a cryptocurrency price

[heady escarp]

bro idk i googled doubloon to usd and used the first thing i saw

[graceful marsh]

^ this man uses crypto, throw tomatoes at him

[heady escarp]

i dont use crypto

[heady escarp]

what isnt that 143 usd

this time i didnt use crypto value i got it differently

wikipedia says a doubloon is 32 reales
32 * 25 is 800
800 reales is 143 usd

[sonic heart]

ok...?

[heady escarp]

but laurasia said its 200

idk where she got that number

[graceful marsh]

I was wrong anyway by like $13000

I forgot doubloons were that big

[heady escarp]

wait wtf

[graceful marsh]

6.7 grams of gold * 25

[heady escarp]

weighing 6.766 grams (0.218 troy ounce) of 22-karat gold (or 0.917 fine; hence 6.2 g fine gold) why is 22 karat gold and fine gold different weights

[graceful marsh]

Oh true

Actually let me account for that

Ah, actually it's about the same

Not too much difference in price now

[sonic heart]

someone should brute force 3 letter "sequences" with 한글

[graceful marsh]

In quotes?

[sonic heart]

to see if new hangul stuff comes out

[graceful marsh]

We don't have them all yet

[sonic heart]

ye

[heady escarp]

why not bruteforce it with 3lw without quotes

or does that work not as well

[sage wren]

i .evil

[graceful marsh]

UNICODE SPREADSHEET CHANGELOG

• New Todo section on Admin sheet for all editors to use
• Completion table removed, replaced with note for Stats Table sheet
• Colour changes for consistency
• Sister projects block added to Resources
• Minor wording improvements
• Two new FAQ questions
• Removed Herobrine

[sage wren]

UNICODE SPREADSHEET CHANGELOG

• New Skibidi section on Ohio sheet for all rizzlers to use
• Demure table removed, replaced with yapping for Baby Gronk Table sheet
• Colour changes for brat
• Jelqmaxxing projects block added to Detroit
• Minor
• Two new putting the fries in the bag questions
• Removed Herobrine

[graceful marsh]

What the fuck is wrong with you

[sonic heart]

herobrine is still in the sheet

[graceful marsh]

Shit

[sage wren]

why is the fuck only wrong if its with me?

[lethal nymph]

i clicked the resources tab and looked at the green box

[graceful marsh]

Oh yeah that's intentional

[lethal nymph]

dammit

[thin warren]

I dont see livvy dunne in the baby gronk table. Fix this. Now.

[untold crystal]

I have no idea what my Firefox started to do...

[graceful marsh]

Good god

[thin warren]

did you try to download ram

[untold crystal]

Seriously, almost 12 gb used is not normal

[graceful marsh]

Certainly

Does Firefox have a usage breakdown?

[untold crystal]

No idea. I only use it for IC

[lethal nymph]

that's worse than that one time i was running IC physics with the 800k elements save

[thin warren]

put about:processes in the search bar and see if that shows anything?

[untold crystal]

It somehow froze my entire PC. I had to restart it

[thin warren]

wtf

[stoic bobcat]

just

• \u0000 to \u001f and \u007f
• \u30f00 and anything above
  right?

[thin warren]

yes

[stoic bobcat]

checking on a limited amount of savefiles rn and so far the only thing its found is ```
Scotland + Unicode = 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳 // >= 0x30f00
Emojipedia 😈 + Scotland = 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳 // >= 0x30f00
Scotland + Unicode 20 = 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳 // >= 0x30f00

[graceful marsh]

SCOTLAND

[thin warren]

SCOTLAND FOREVER 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[trim pond]

holy

!!!

[stoic bobcat]

lets check all 4.5k savefiles

[lethal nymph]

no way are we getting tag characters

[graceful marsh]

I love this part of the show

[stoic bobcat]

is 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳 actually over 0x30f00 though

[lethal nymph]

it's multiple tag characters

[stoic bobcat]

pretty sure 0x30f00 is larger than 0x1f3f4

huh

[graceful marsh]

Wrong

We improved math a few hours ago

[sonic heart]

is trying to barrier break from cfff do d000 a good idea

[graceful marsh]

One would advise against it

[lethal nymph]

pretty fire

but can we separate them

[trim pond]

I found Mr. [flag with tags]

fd

[graceful marsh]

Is that what we're calling it

Hold on I had a thought

[lethal nymph]

scotland if it was half eaten by niko

[stoic bobcat]

[
  'Scotland + Unicode = 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳',
  'Emojipedia 😈 + Scotland = 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳',
  'Scotland + Unicode 20 = 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳',
  '"\x07" + “” = “\x07”',
  '"\x07" + String.append("\x08") = "\x07\x08"',
  '"\x07\x08" + "\x06" = "\x06\x07\x08"',
  '"\x06\x07\x08" + Mr. Directly Next Unicode = \x06\x07\x08',
  '\x06 + \x01 = \x01\x06',
  '\x07 + "\x08" = \x07\x08',
  '"\x08" + “” = “\x08”',
  '\x06 + \x05 = \x07',
  '\x08 + "[/inst]" = "\x08"',
  '"\x06" + "\x07" = "\x08"',
  '\x01 + \x05 = \x06',
  '\x02 + \x01 = \x03',
  '\x02 + \x01\x06 = \x03',
  '\x03 + \x02 = \x04',
  '\x01 + ¶ = \x02'
]

[lethal nymph]

that looks like asd

[thin warren]

thats asd’s file yeah

[stoic bobcat]

oh

[trim pond]

what is this one? '"\b" + “” = “\x08”',

[graceful marsh]

I was about to flip at that \b

One more, the x07 one

[stoic bobcat]

there

[trim pond]

oh it was a mistake ok

[graceful marsh]

How'd you get this?

[trim pond]

nice... all of these are different. they have different amount of tags jeez.

i am gonna lose my mind from this soon

[lethal nymph]

you can edit the exotic char script to show them

[sage wren]

i will find it and sell i5

T

[lethal nymph]

or just use the emoji decomposing one

[graceful marsh]

This niko variant is defective

[sage wren]

How about you die laurasia

[trim pond]

i found one with 2 times E0073 flag

[graceful marsh]

Oh believe me I tried

[trim pond]

combining with random Mr. (symbol)

[sage wren]

try like you've never tried before. which is true anyway

[sonic heart]

i used prepend mrs.

[graceful marsh]

Yay

Tags G B S

[sonic heart]

wow

[graceful marsh]

Fuck

[sonic heart]

how did you get it quoted

[sage wren]

splendid, indistinguishable elements

[trim pond]

E0067 E0062

[graceful marsh]

Mr. "quotation Marks"

[sonic heart]

i dont have it...

[graceful marsh]

Prepend Mr. or Mr. _ + "quotation Marks"

[sonic heart]

oh also

this might be easier

[graceful marsh]

Honestly no

Well depends

[sonic heart]

flag{e0062}

[trim pond]

ajajajaj

now can I increment it

[graceful marsh]

Holy hell

[trim pond]

hint, I used Mr. Remove('[1f3f4]')

[sonic heart]

what

[trim pond]

i am exporting savefile and continuying

ok it is hard to increment when I don't see it in Mr. but I got to e0075 so far. it doesn't seem to work with Next stuff but i only tried like 3 tools

[tepid blaze]

what

[trim pond]

just happy sounds

random keys on keyboard

[tepid blaze]

yeah ik

[trim pond]

it is quite annoying to increment, sometimes adding two adjacent works, sometimes two adjacent Mr. [x] + Mr. [y], sometimes combining with Next Unicode works, sometimes combining Mr. [x] + Directly Next Alphabet ... lol

[sonic heart]

oops i got flag{e0061}

[trim pond]

ok i will share the recipe now. I can't seem to go past 7f

[tepid blaze]

now 809 (still counting PUA's even if i didn't update them to the actual sheet, cause i didn't yet transfer them from the unnasigned db to main)

[trim pond]

ok uhm i think i will just share with infinibrowser i can't make a lineage by hand

nvm I think a textual one is better, U+e0073- U+e007f

[heady escarp]

"(o)" + "(u)" = "ou"

[trim pond]

just skip the unnecessary steps

i just want to share the ending lineage

also yeah, i used prepend control char so it is a bit scuffed

lol you can probably just use the same method without doing prepend shenanigans to even get a lower U+e00xx

[graceful marsh]

Christ

This part looks so innocent

[sage wren]

manhãHOPRI

[trim pond]

yea as I said, I used prepend control char so it is scuffed. just try to find a way without that. You just need to get Mr. Remove('[scotting flag without tags]')

[graceful marsh]

AFAICT, the lynchpin is Append '€œ'" + Mr. Append("") = Mr. Append("'")

[trim pond]

and combine with all "hi Mr. [flag with tags]" or whatever

[sage wren]

oh yeah + = sure looks innocent ...

[trim pond]

yeah that is my only recipe to get that

and it is my FD

is that required to get append('flag')? you can prob just use other methods to append an apostrophe

i just use my tools in order they show up in the side tab so..

[glad roost]

Btw can anyone give me lineage for #string.decodeuri

Trying to get 86

[graceful marsh]

Only used for "the Append '🏴" + Mr. Append("'") = "the Append '🏴'"

So no

[heady escarp]

my recipe for it

[trim pond]

https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j71wtmt4qfn4e81k810rtsdg

i hate that all of my lineages are 3k+

stupid broken savefile

so it took 24 minutes to get a tag from the flag. Lol did really noone have that flag with tags?

because i imagine someone would've gotten it before if they did

and knew about it ofc

[graceful marsh]

I had Unicode + Scotland, didn't know/remember it had tags

Don't really have the tools for it anyway

[trim pond]

yeah true, i used some not so much used remove tools. but it is probably doable without those too

[graceful marsh]

IIRC Unicode + Scotland is actually on the old megashit

[trim pond]

originally I wanted to get [1f3f4][1f3f4][tags] into a string and then remove the flag using remove/delete first tools

[sage wren]

dont call it shit it was trying its best

[graceful marsh]

I helped make the damn thing, I can self-deprecate all I want

[sonic heart]

is there a stringless Mr. Append('')

[heady escarp]

i might have that

[trim pond]

lol how clear is this lineage.

[graceful marsh]

Can you add the tags to your funny character tooltip?

[sonic heart]

anyways this is my recipe for "flag{e0061}"

the delete first letter at the end made it go from e0062 to e0061

[trim pond]

yes

[trim pond]

just wait a minute

[sonic heart]

ty

[graceful marsh]

Keep going please

[heady escarp]

there

[sonic heart]

YESSSUDHUSUJHFDWOJFJOI

[trim pond]

U+e0074 - U+e007f

[trim pond]

nice gj

if it has an easier recipe, I would change my lineage to increment from you 61, if you can increment all the way there

if anyone is interested, this is what I changed in exoticchars to see the tags

{
        id: "exoticchars",
        name: "Exotic charcodes",
        priority: 0,
        description: "Shows charcode for control characters and non-breaking space if present.",
        enabled: false,
        condition: () => true,
        handle(element, tooltips) {
            let chars = ["\x00","\x01","\x02","\x03","\x04","\x05","\x06","\x07","\b","\t","\n","\x0b","\f","\r","\x0e","\x0f","\x10","\x11","\x12","\x13","\x14","\x15","\x16","\x17","\x18","\x19","\x1a","\x1b","\x1c","\x1d","\x1e","\x1f","\x7f","\x80","\x81","\x82","\x83","\x84","\x85","\x86","\x87","\x88","\x89","\x8a","\x8b","\x8c","\x8d","\x8e","\x8f","\x90","\x91","\x92","\x93","\x94","\x95","\x96","\x97","\x98","\x99","\x9a","\x9b","\x9c","\x9d","\x9e","\x9f","\xa0","\xad"];

            for (let i = 0xe0000; i <= 0xe0200; i++) {
              chars.push(String.fromCodePoint(i));
            }

            let tooltip = "🔡 ",
                good = false;

            for (const char of [...element.text]) {
                if (chars.indexOf(char) > -1) {
                    good = true;
                    tooltip += `{${char.codePointAt().toString(16).toUpperCase().padStart(2, "0")}}`;
                } else tooltip += char;
            }
            if (good) tooltips.push(tooltip);
        }
    }

[sonic heart]

U+E0061
Mr. Remove('🏴'): #1206592567622373446 message

[trim pond]

it also lets you see soft hyphen

[trim pond]

yeah, that is way better

@echo wasp sorry forgot to ping you

@echo wasp

@echo wasp

[graceful marsh]

@echo wasp Does this apply to this as well?

[trim pond]

yes @echo wasp