Unicode

[graceful marsh]

Oh whoops

Was I meant to be doing those

[chilly fulcrum]

any is fine but I think you did start with 9e54 and 20b43 but then I guess moved to comments

you fixed 9e54, asd will hopefully fix 20b43

And some of them on the list are fixed already

but I am not taking any chances with removing those I may have forgot

tangut will be very fun though

It’s the largest block by far in the main sheet

and it’s just the largest block in general in the BMP

17000-187ff

[wooden maple]

U+16FF reserved

cool ig

[graceful marsh]

Alright, back to recipe fixing

[chilly fulcrum]

Unicode standard core specification says that different fonts are explicitly not encoded

Meanwhile all of U+1dxxx:

[graceful marsh]

What did Signwriting ever do to you?

I've figured it out

Loading the CJK sheet permanently hobbles my browser, even when I go back to main

Fixed 7b49 (misplaced recipe)

6ecc fixed (misplaced recipe)

Who the fuck...?

5f0f
6208
6ce7
6d74

All fixed (misplaced recipes)

[olive timber]

Jay

[graceful marsh]

Jay

Oh sorry for context

[wooden maple]

of course all of my Unicode FD's are reserved characters 😭

oh well

[olive timber]

Has this been documented 😭

[graceful marsh]

541f fixed (added Next Letter)

[slate whale]

what

[graceful marsh]

@chilly fulcrum

This is so fucking funny

(I added the two recipes just now)

(still can't find original recipe (the one without a part 2))

Oh wait recipe 2 is wrong anyway

Whoops

I'm gonna leave that one there but I suspect the original was meant to be 59dc

[chilly fulcrum]

Jay it says

[graceful marsh]

I mean, technically this isn't wrong

[chilly fulcrum]

That’s a 500

if you try that recipe it’s 500 I think because you can’t add literally nothing

[graceful marsh]

Yeah true

[chilly fulcrum]

Man technically at the end of this we have to check for recursive loops

like sometimes when I override old recipes with a simpler one there’s technically a chance I am making a loop but very small especially with all the alt recipes

It would be almost always just x = x + something

that needs fixing

[graceful marsh]

To avoid this I've mostly switched to Next Letter incrementing instead of charcombination incrementing

[chilly fulcrum]

okay I will take off 9e54 i think that’s safe, iirc 2997 i already fixed and we did 2bd1 and 23ae

[graceful marsh]

These onwards I've listed as fixes

[chilly fulcrum]

Okay

[graceful marsh]

And 541f

[chilly fulcrum]

oh you got the 20b43?

[graceful marsh]

Oh wait misinterpretation of statement

Onwards as in in this chat

Not down the list

[chilly fulcrum]

Oh okay

Okay just for logging sake so I know what I took off: just removed 6ecc and 7b49 and am about to do the others

541f 5f0f 6208 6cee removed

And now 6d74, I know that about half on the list now those are gone are resolved already but I’m taking no chances

[graceful marsh]

6cee?

[chilly fulcrum]

E7 my bad

if 6cee has a recipe then it doesn’t matter if I did somehow mix it up and remove 6cee

because if it has a recipe it’s “fixed”

[graceful marsh]

c625 "fixed" (no recipe, I assumed misclick)

[chilly fulcrum]

recipe is actually just blank query

Or maybe it’s actually U+0009 (tabulation character)

[graceful marsh]

I love the ones where they just give the Latin-script portion

It's like "Yeah, figure this out loser"

[chilly fulcrum]

idk if that actually internally separates cells (highly doubt it) but ctrl shift V inserts U+0009 where cell boundaries would be

[graceful marsh]

b2ec fixed (misplaced recipe)

1598d is Not Blank

Why did I capitalise that

[chilly fulcrum]

Okay done b2ec c625 also do you mean 1f

[graceful marsh]

Yeah

Mistype

Same with 1f5c4

[chilly fulcrum]

Okay, I expect all the 1f to be fixed

cause I did them earlier

[graceful marsh]

Ah k

Then 1f3cd also good

Ooh cuneiform

Oh that one is... not my fault?

Alfo then

[chilly fulcrum]

Every time I see one that’s my fault I go “damn it how did this happen”

[graceful marsh]

You should have that one actually

You put the Cuneiform in right?

[chilly fulcrum]

some

[graceful marsh]

Oh

It's 𒌶

[chilly fulcrum]

Alfo got access I think halfway through

Can’t check right now sorry

[graceful marsh]

Ah k

[chilly fulcrum]

The invalids from fuezt check in 1004x are sad because they actually did break through a 3f barrier but not in the manner described

they forgot to account for unassigned so they put them in order but due to unassigned being not there it became offset

but then by surprise one of the recipes was verified to work for I think 10043

so they really did get 10041 and 10042

but we don’t know how

[graceful marsh]

Okay confirmed 12336 is just Next Letter

[chilly fulcrum]

Also expecting the 3 top ones to be fixed

[graceful marsh]

30f2 is good

[chilly fulcrum]

the reason I’m double checking was o removed all the 30xx but then I forgot some 30xx is in cjk sheet so ordered separate and then got worried

[graceful marsh]

30d9 and 3084 confirmed to have recipes

I will now look at 1004x

Ah Linear B

[chilly fulcrum]

okay not bad we are down to like 5 blank cell invalids now

My sheet transfer code also ticks cells that are not ticked but have recipes

(There are a fair few but no need to fix since my code does it anyway)

[graceful marsh]

c790 needs a Hangul-maker tool to convert Za
3020 is practically blank
517c I just fixed (misplaced recipe)
59dd needs a CJK-maker tool to convert Jay
20b43 needs a CJK-maker tool to convert U+30edd

[chilly fulcrum]

the code also prepends apostrophe to everything

okay - there was one I fixed which I assumed was misplaced tick but no I ticked the right box but put the recipe in the row above

I had to actually go check to find that out so just make sure you are careful

[graceful marsh]

Everything that I called "Misplaced Recipe" means the person who wrote it put "x + y" in one cell

All other fixes I confirmed manually

[chilly fulcrum]

ah okay

Okay well we might get it down to 2 blank invalids before the transfer (my code also puts “INVALID RECIPE” in column H for any blank invalids it finds)

And un ticks it

so it’s fine if we have to keep some

for the blank invalid anyway

[graceful marsh]

2?

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah I expect 3020 and 20b43 to be fixed soon

[sand coral]

U+0159 fixed

[graceful marsh]

Carone

[chilly fulcrum]

carone?

[sand coral]

carone

[graceful marsh]

It's on IB

[chilly fulcrum]

okay that’s pretty good

[graceful marsh]

I saw it looking for Caron earlier

Can we get an updated full invalid recipe list too

[chilly fulcrum]

I’ll try

mobile will make this hard

[graceful marsh]

Ah right

[chilly fulcrum]

0159 - pending changes
023e
10e2 - iirc fixed
1284
12f4
1550
3020
517c
59dd
6ecc
a74f
b2ec
c625
c790
10040
10041
10042
10130
1013c
1013d
1029c
10343
103b2
10419
10429
20b43
``` (I’ve totally forgot to remove some lol)

But it should be the comments only + the 4 remaining blank invalids

I commented all invalid recipes that came from fuezt

[graceful marsh]

159 fixed

Also the hell

That means whoever thought they found ř was wrong

10e2 was fixed

Natural 7f bypass spotted

[echo wasp]

oo

[graceful marsh]

Might be because it's smaller?

1284 seems to be one of those white hole things

Even Mr. strats fail

Alright got it to work (top is 1282 and 1283)

Slight problem

I cannot find Unicode Tigrinya

[slate whale]

it probably wasnt posted on the server

[graceful marsh]

Yeah

Who added it

Can we check

[sand coral]

oops no wrong one

[slate whale]

on my way to 10343

[sand coral]

[slate whale]

who stopped at Mr. 𐍂 lol (10343)

NVM

[sand coral]

U+023E

[slate whale]

huh it was a fd

[graceful marsh]

Yeah it's odd

Same with r caron

[slate whale]

U+a74f

[slate whale]

right click the cell -> show edit history

but it seems that you cant see anything before 22nd of may

when the sheet was split

[untold crystal]

I'm on phone so I can't check but i have a question can any one of you tell me what charpoint any of these are? I wanna check something

They are not fds

[candid trellis]

we do love the 3 characters that got provided

just empty 1. 2. and 3.

[untold crystal]

I already tried with chatgpt too 😦

[graceful marsh]

Looks to be Bamum, let me check

16914, 5 and 6

[graceful marsh]

Woops forgot to reply

[untold crystal]

Danke

[candid trellis]

🗿

[sage wren]

yeah

[slate whale]

wrong "??"

[untold crystal]

So. What I wanted to test was if Char. X would be a good alternative to Seq. or Mr. and if it works with next/previous character. But it doesn't work (especially with previous).

[slate whale]

maybe this works?

[wooden maple]

better than a reserved character ^

[graceful marsh]

Truly is

Got a recipe?

[wooden maple]

𐐴 + Next Letter

[sonic heart]

U+03D4

[chilly fulcrum]

That was me

[sonic heart]

i cant get rid of the "а" (cyrillic)

[chilly fulcrum]

any chance you could like record a session of trying to get these? I need to optimise my workflow a lot but if it’s too much that’s fine

[sonic heart]

my pc would lag too much if i recorded it at a viewable quality

the j keeps turning into this guy

[chilly fulcrum]

i see unfortunate

id love to learn though but we are through most of the latin script stuff now

[sonic heart]

a

[chilly fulcrum]

such small board too

my board area is about 10-20x that id say

[sonic heart]

its the normal board size

[chilly fulcrum]

i know but im zoomed out a lot

like a lot

do you have recent elements turned on?

[sonic heart]

no

[chilly fulcrum]

ok well we are so close to having no more invalids

would you like to try some of them?

[sonic heart]

gimme a bit

im close

[chilly fulcrum]

how did you isolate the j

[sonic heart]

hi mr ja + delete last character

[chilly fulcrum]

oh okay also idk what that cyrillic is

[sonic heart]

serbian

in serbian

FUCKING FINALLY

[chilly fulcrum]

you have pannable board right?

[sonic heart]

U+0408

[sonic heart]

no

[chilly fulcrum]

damn how do you keep track of things then with no recent elements and no pannable board to store them

i really gotta see you in action

[sonic heart]

my memory

[chilly fulcrum]

well you can remember it but typing it is a pain

[sonic heart]

i got used to it

Big Yus lmao

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah well idk i dont know all the chars in every element so they become lost to history

[sonic heart]

U+0490 im surprised this worked lol

[chilly fulcrum]

hmm is that like the actual next letter

thats a long way away

[sonic heart]

yeah

[chilly fulcrum]

also um sorry to say but im not gonna be putting these in yet, not while theres still invalid recipes

unless you can change my mind of course

or fix the invalids

[sonic heart]

👍

[chilly fulcrum]

im just invested into the 15.1 sheet

the invalids are the comments

easiest might be 3020

[sonic heart]

did you make this comment?

lol

U+0504

[chilly fulcrum]

nope i did not make that comment

wouldnt be any point

[chilly fulcrum]

3020 fixed

hm yes my code labelled every recipe as invalid

seems legit

[ '12f4',
  '10040',
  '10041',
  '10042',
  '103b2',
  '10419',
  '10429',
  'c790',
  '20b43' ]

this is all invalids

only 9

updated 15.1 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PRtlXvjbHs4ulct6gSbYc6VYrQegU7HZ5SdhThkHuoY/edit?usp=sharing

9 is low enough we could start on this

[sand coral]

there's probably some kind of bug here. The first single quotation mark in each letter is removed

'ъ' and 'у' too

[tepid blaze]

that a google sheet thing, you need to put two '' at the start for it to show 'whateverthereinthere'

[chilly fulcrum]

Yeah it does that although let me have a look I was fairly sure I fixed it

[sand coral]

U+12F4 fixed

[chilly fulcrum]

also ray reckons we should migrate over to my sheet, so im down to start doing that

i can add editors

[slate whale]

so we will use this one?

[echo wasp]

ig so

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah ray seemed to want that

im not great with making title pages and formatting and all that so i will need help for it

let me know if you want to help with that and i can give unrestricted edit access for now

[graceful marsh]

Do not

[chilly fulcrum]

i mean "unrestricted" as in i still have to give it to them but im not going to protect range

like its not gonna be anyone with link

[graceful marsh]

Ah ok

[chilly fulcrum]

protection will be done later

[slate whale]

i dont remember there being any recipes for these

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah sorry i think i messed up

ill fix it

[echo wasp]

lol

[chilly fulcrum]

it put invalid on everything

seems legit

[slate whale]

oh i see

[chilly fulcrum]

all to do with apostrophes

so easy to get wrong, sheets removes apostrophes at every step

so i add them back at every step but thing is this causes things to internally be different now to what i expect

okay i think its ready, um we need to make the apostrophe situation very clear though

so who wants to help with initial set up

[graceful marsh]

I'm down

Got an hour 30 til I need to head out for groceries

[chilly fulcrum]

okay i can do that, although from memory your email wasnt easy to identify so you may have to send it to me

[graceful marsh]

Fair enough

[slate whale]

uhm the first apostrophe shouldnt be there no?

U+2588

[chilly fulcrum]

let me see

ah see thing is

its complicated

[chilly fulcrum]

its there but also not

[slate whale]

yeah it appears to be a lot

[chilly fulcrum]

the apostrophe isnt actually there if you try to copy and paste

its annoying but i think this might be the best solution

[slate whale]

i know that

[chilly fulcrum]

if i dont put the apostrophe there then issues can happen

like even if i use code

the apostrophe isnt there

which is annoying

i might have an idea though

see i have the copy sheets

they never get modified

so i can always restore the data

what i can do is if the string starts with an apostrophe or is of length 1, add an apostrophe (i havent found a way to check numeric value yet)

if it starts with two apostrophes... um i mean surely it wont riiiiight?

[slate whale]

havent seen any element which starts with ''

[chilly fulcrum]

just gonna say please do NOT use elements with two leading apostrophes

[slate whale]

it looks good

[graceful marsh]

I will now use my elements with 3 leading apostrophes

[slate whale]

only thing i saw is that numbers are aligned to the right

[abstract marsh]

why the hell does that had leading apostrophe
i dont remember making with that

[slate whale]

all elements had a leading apostrophe

but now they are gone

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah true numbers are aligned to the right

hm

[slate whale]

i mean it isnt really a problem

[chilly fulcrum]

i just need to run some tests to see what happens to the cells - ive force set left align for everything and left to right

but i get the feeling if the code puts in an rtl char it will auto reset to rtl

okay well i removed leading apostrophe but it should stay for things that need them in order to display correctly

yep looks like it worked

ok who else wants to help set up and format like in other sheet

[graceful marsh]

Do we keep the old format?

For everything?

[chilly fulcrum]

not necessarily but the same information i think at least

[chilly fulcrum]

renamed database

no longer test

success? i guess

[chilly fulcrum]

okay well i guess cover sheet time

i just put a sanity check there right now

skill level 0 💀

like cole in wii sports resort table tennis

doesnt hit anything just watches the ball go past

[abstract marsh]

ur cooking that one cell

can you like instead... use 3x3 or 4x4 instead of 15x1 or whatever that is

[chilly fulcrum]

want to help?

[abstract marsh]

in an hour / an hour& half

[chilly fulcrum]

i can add you, i think i have your email from other sheet

[abstract marsh]

probably, im still away from pc so idk which one ur doing rn

[chilly fulcrum]

okay - i renamed it so its the one thats not a test anymore i can send again

[abstract marsh]

alright, i'll look forward to it

[chilly fulcrum]

idk who is drukez

here tho https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PRtlXvjbHs4ulct6gSbYc6VYrQegU7HZ5SdhThkHuoY/

[abstract marsh]

wow it load fine in mobile wtf

[chilly fulcrum]

o.o

[abstract marsh]

sheet unicoder character 8336
why is it like theres two line but we can only see one

im concerned that this sheet is loading better than the main sheet in pinned

[chilly fulcrum]

hm

you mean U+8336?

or dec 8336

both look fine to me

also there is just less stuff on this sheet rn

but its cool it loaded

[abstract marsh]

test

lmao discord decided to delete my 2 message cuz it lagged

[chilly fulcrum]

test fail?

[abstract marsh]

U+256A

[abstract marsh]

ah fair enough

[echo wasp]

KING TACO

[chilly fulcrum]

okay

i guess i just pressed enter when i put it in

oof i think they have to re request? i didnt press decline i just clicked out of it

but apparently that declines it

i did not know

never mind

[abstract marsh]

tested something, costed 4x5

[chilly fulcrum]

i was on the test sheet

okay done now

also um dont feel like you have to ask me for permission for changes seriously i am just out of my depth so you guys can have more or less total control over the cover page and stats and info pages

[abstract marsh]

alright, we're going to start golfing the "how to contribute" deacription

[chilly fulcrum]

can split it into other subheadings and categories i just dumped stuff

protecting the copy sheets because they are essentially a permanent archive of the 12.1 sheet

and they are safe states that if the other sheets get trashed i can always run the script and it will restore it

not hiding them because its important you can view them to compare if there is a mistake with code or other inconsistency etc

[abstract marsh]

failed to golf, used even more cells

or making it the format like
1st || 2nd || 3rd
guide || guide || guide
?

[graceful marsh]

So many steps

[abstract marsh]

alright shortest guide
How to contribute ?
Option 1 : Apply to become Editor & self work
Option 2 : leave a comment
Option 3 : share tips&tricks

alright all editing stuff is back to one long line again
gl golfing it

i need a rewind, whats this sheet was about

[chilly fulcrum]

it’s Unicode 15

you can use the cover sheet of rays one for inspiration

I’d like to also have it stress a bit more about ease of following recipe and linking to tools (+ potential tools sheet/guide/doc sometime soon)

maybe if we want to explain more in depth we can have cover page and also a bit more background on some things and explanation

Like why apostrophes

I removed most of them but I think we ought to explain the situation, but it might look ugly on title page

Maybe FAQ?

[graceful marsh]

Perchance

I was thinking comment footnotes but that would break on mobile

[chilly fulcrum]

I am personally not a big fan of notes and comments, having to hover to read isn’t my style

it’s appropriate for sure for the recipes

[graceful marsh]

Then a FAQ page is good

Should it be on the sheet though?

Or separate

[sand coral]

Btw, i can't comment on the new sheet. There is no such button

[chilly fulcrum]

is that so? oof I may not be able to fix it till morning

I will try

Ok I fixed

Yeah this sheet on mobile works totally okay

Doesn’t crash the app

I do quite like the progress charts and editor list is also good (well as long as it’s up to date anyway)

[sand coral]

U+103B2 fixed

[chilly fulcrum]

very nice

Idk where the “copy to” option is gone

on mobile

is anyone by chance able to copy the admin sheet on rays version to this one? hopefully it lets you but it might not due to permission

just as a guide for ideas

No need to copy it or use it but we have to get the ball rolling

[wooden maple]

how do you make "uc" i looked in search I can

't find anything

[olive timber]

There’s a spreadsheet for the combinations https://discord.com/channels/1203527044957208596/1214815916957761586

[wooden maple]

man all these spreadsheets...

also the one i've seen has no recipes and is just a checklist

is there another one I'm unaware of?

WAIT THERE IS NOTES

[olive timber]

Yeah

[wooden maple]

they're just hard to see since they're indicated by a black triangle

and the background is black

not thought out...

[olive timber]

I don’t want to get flashbanged

You do you though

(Try turning off dark mode)

[wooden maple]

the notes bookmark thingy is always black and the background is chosen by the creator of the sheet so...

[olive timber]

Ah

[wooden maple]

yeah

[olive timber]

White for me tho

[wooden maple]

ah, you're the one in dark mode actually

thats interesting

the black cell numbers and buttons at top you can see

[wooden maple]

back to this, do you know how to make the double curly quotation marks?

[olive timber]

#1214815916957761586 message

[wooden maple]

oh

wait those all have letters

in the lineage Savio used the item“”

nvm im blind

[olive timber]

It’s good

[sand coral]

U+10419 fixed

[wooden maple]

ok now idk how to make "mr. "

this time I tried everything i knew 😭

wait wait

[wooden maple]

yeah i finally got it with " "

as opposed to prepend space

nah now idk how to make Remove the Word Mr

im so far behind you guys

@olive timber

[olive timber]

Yeah

[wooden maple]

can you help me 😭

sorry

[olive timber]

Its okay im trying to find it

[olive timber]

#1215495041049436170 message

[wooden maple]

bro idk how to make "word" 😭

i feel so bad

[olive timber]

"wo" + "rd" = "word"

[wooden maple]

i dont have those either 😭

i'll try to make them

i got "rd"

and "wow" and it worked nice

[olive timber]

Spreadsheet

Oh

[wooden maple]

then

.the?

i thought i had

[olive timber]

I guess it did

.

[wooden maple]

yes .the

i dk

how to make it

i tried some things

man i dont wanna have you do more looking up

its fine

[wooden maple]

oh

[olive timber]

Lol it’s fine

[wooden maple]

what if

i said i also cant make .th

😭

[olive timber]

Spreadsheet

[wooden maple]

😭 which one

[sonic heart]

.

[wooden maple]

i have 12 sheets bruh this is chaos 😭

[sonic heart]

💀

Infinite 2-Letter Alphabets

Is the one

[wooden maple]

alr thanks

[olive timber]

What?

[wooden maple]

he was showing me where it was

didn't turn ping off evidently

[sonic heart]

I did tho

[wooden maple]

oh

bruh

[echo wasp]

what happened lol

[sonic heart]

U+0514

U+0512

[sonic heart]

U+1F5C0 & 1F5C1

[sonic heart]

U+051E (as well as Cyrillic Supplement Unicode)

[graceful marsh]

Finally figured out how to do it

[sonic heart]

U+0522

[sonic heart]

U+0587 why is this dead?

i cant find any uppercase versions of it

wack

U+0598 to 059F

U+05A0 (i cant get it to continue)

U+05A8 to 05B3

[sonic heart]

U+0588, 0589, 058D & 058E (058A is already on the sheet and 058B & 058C are invalid)

U+0591 to U+0597 (U+0590 is invalid)

[sonic heart]

U+05A1 to 05A7

[sonic heart]

U+052D "the Komi " + "the Unicode" + Delete the the = Komi Unicode

[untold crystal]

I see you didn't like my Caron recipe U+02c7 #1206592567622373446 message (you didn't add it)

[sonic heart]

a ton of mine arent added lol

[untold crystal]

I know, but this is old af

[chilly fulcrum]

Yeah true thanks for reminding me

[sonic heart]

U+25B2

[chilly fulcrum]

Okay Ty for copying admin sheet whoever did that now we should make it appropriate for this sheet

[untold crystal]

I did. #1206592567622373446 message

[chilly fulcrum]

If you didn’t see Radu we are migrating over to my sheet now which is Unicode 15.1 updated

[untold crystal]

I did not see. Where is it?

cause I don't see it in the pins (or am I stupid and it's there?)

[chilly fulcrum]

Nah it’s not there

I will send it in a bit

If you want it sooner you will have to scroll up about 10 hours

hopefully that’s not too far

I’ll be up soon

[untold crystal]

neeh. it's late for me tonight

[chilly fulcrum]

okay

[graceful marsh]

Here

[untold crystal]

thanks

[sonic heart]

U+0604 & 0607 how is 0604 an FD

only new character within the first 2000 rows lol

U+0612-0614

[sonic heart]

U+0617, 061A & 061C to 061E

[untold crystal]

Vai Language Unicode

u+10a00 - u+10a0f

[sonic heart]

U+0625

U+06C0

U+062B

[chilly fulcrum]

i can give access to the new sheet if youd like

[sonic heart]

sure

i sent the request

[chilly fulcrum]

okay

can you promise to help work on making the admin sheet and faq sheet be appropriate? i wont be available for a few hours

[twin bay]

Better Almost Equal To recipe:
Equality + Periodic Table = Equal Sign
.n + Equal Sign = ≈

[final sable]

do people say “almost equal to”?? I’ve only ever heard “approximately”

[sand coral]

these are broken in a new sheet

[chilly fulcrum]

let me see

yeah i know why

it thinks its a date

o.o sheets why

[abstract marsh]

set value into normal text

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah i know i can do that im just looking for more efficient ways than declaring yet more ranges in the code

[sand coral]

U+1F6BC

[chilly fulcrum]

Oh Unicode 18? Chain ended at 16 for me iirc

[night dragon]

baby

uh

what are the meta tools for ic rn?

[chilly fulcrum]

i think the admin sheet may need bit of rework since i want to put more links to things but then am like hmm do i sacrifice another cell and merge it, or make a new table box?

[night dragon]

*wel i mean unicode conversion

[chilly fulcrum]

lol i dont even know how to remove cell borders, removing them doesnt remove them i guess theres another setting for it

[slate whale]

Get the codepoint and then throw things at it (works sometimes)

[chilly fulcrum]

ah yeah i think i see

[night dragon]

ive tied every unicode tool i hvae

[chilly fulcrum]

never mind i thought i found out how they got rid of borders

not true

[slate whale]

Get the element before that then

[slate whale]

What are you trying to do

[chilly fulcrum]

admin sheet make it look nice but with the info i want, might need an faq sheet too

oh ok hmm need to set font

[abstract marsh]

reworking sheet, potentially update unicode list into 15.1 versions

[chilly fulcrum]

ok made a start on a stats table

i think its more concise

in sheet 3

you can use it to dump things

for faq or cover

i dont mind

[chilly fulcrum]

okay well i made some little tables, they dont look that bad but yeah lesson is dont leave me in charge of aesthetic for anything 💀

[abstract marsh]

im bad at it too :>

[chilly fulcrum]

well the people who did it for the original sheet did pretty well

[chilly fulcrum]

old sheet getting comments still, well fair enough but also we ought to point them to the new one

at least its not just text in cells

im sure that can be used to get ideas for what those tables might look like

got a couple different colour schemes for comparison

[abstract marsh]

is there even older one than pinned?

[chilly fulcrum]

No

I don’t think so anyway

In mobile on dark mode what I made looks surprisingly good

damn

[chilly fulcrum]

okay I will start on faq in a bit

[graceful marsh]

Since we've officially moved, think we should request a pin reorder

[chilly fulcrum]

I was debating it

[graceful marsh]

Or maybe after frontpage is done actually

[chilly fulcrum]

it’s still WIP rn

Also do you just like know how to translate to phonetic lol

[graceful marsh]

Vaguely

I rechecked this one on Wiktionary

[chilly fulcrum]

I wouldn’t know even if I did check

[chilly fulcrum]

Only so much a textual description of sounds can do - I’d need to practice a bit first

[chilly fulcrum]

I’ll keep reading core Unicode specification

[sand coral]

U+10429 fixed

U+1F6C2 - U+1F6C9

[untold crystal]

U+ab40 - U+ab70

[chilly fulcrum]

31.0 💀

[sand coral]

yeah why not 🙂

[graceful marsh]

Unicode 31.0 Changelog

• Added Heptapod Circular Forms
• Added all Cave Art Base Forms
• Added the Sigils of the 72 Demons

[chilly fulcrum]

i also think either in faq or elsewhere some important directives need to be mentioned - for example theres actually no way to restrict the editing of cells so that the format doesnt change but still allows access

so id have to say "please make sure the format of everything is text"

omg so triggering

it sticks out by 1 pixel on one side only

why...

[untold crystal]

a few random stuff

[chilly fulcrum]

proof the apostrophe really is gone

[chilly fulcrum]

you use "u+" or something right to make the codepoints? i think i ought to learn as a back up for when "..u-" fails

[untold crystal]

and other stuff, but I usually use ..u-

somehow, I get what I want...it just takes longer if it's something very stubborn

[chilly fulcrum]

i see, so i need to prepend to it? cause just "..u+" doesnt work

it eats the +

[untold crystal]

like this. or tell me something that you want me to make and I'll try to show my progress

[chilly fulcrum]

i see i mean it seems a bit hard to deal with, like i wouldnt know to try '0' in that situation but maybe i would eventually

[untold crystal]

10c47, 10c48

[chilly fulcrum]

currently seeing if I can get around split/input tool issue, if not that sucks

[graceful marsh]

Are there any invalid recipes left?

[chilly fulcrum]

i believe 10040-42

unless they were done

20b43 also

and possibly the other blank recipe one, if it wasnt fixed

i know we were down to only 2 of those

[chilly fulcrum]

it didnt look like the start of the chain in that image iirc though, i assume you got 104c1 or c0? maybe you didnt though

it looked like it was maybe 2nd or 3rd in a large chain that you forgot to send, but I may be wrong

after all i couldnt actually see so it could easily be stand alone

[untold crystal]

it is standalone. I also have 104c1 but I don't like the recipe

[chilly fulcrum]

how do you even make something like that? i have randomly got things like that but they are always dead

lowercase with

usually

[untold crystal]

something like what?

[chilly fulcrum]

capital t with retroflex hook

actually the recipe for T with vai-unicode-vai was wild

like a hundred years i wouldnt try any of the stuff you did

[untold crystal]

I had a lot of problems creating Capital T with retroflex hook

these were my recipes for it...

but I won't make the lineage, except if it's usefull in getting the 01AE character

[chilly fulcrum]

well its more for learning strategy purposes, like to make "hi Next Random" i dont think i would have really tried that because its too much to risk - I would never risk trying able to revive "hi Next rando", nor add "zm" to the end lol

but somehow that is better, and i want intuition

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah top right branch looks like something i could do myself

top left probably not

still cant get over this existing ↉

like the name "zero thirds" is even funnier

not even "zero out of three"

literally "zero thirds"

[slate whale]

zero over three

[chilly fulcrum]

also would be fine

but yeah zero thirds cracks me up

negative zero thirds plus zero i is next

[graceful marsh]

Me when I put +0i next to all my values (I have a complexity addiction)

[chilly fulcrum]

Hmm master plan for cover sheet that definitely doesn’t involve abusing access is trying to work its way into my mind - oh no I must remove it

[chilly fulcrum]

Currently have: rendering and apostrophe explanation in faq page + testing that I should have been doing in the testing page

probably need explaining contribution and quality of lineage and recipes expected

[sand coral]

1FAC4 1FAC5 1FACE 1FACF (U+1FAC6 - U+1FCD are invalid)

1FAB7 - 1FABF (1FABE invalid)

[sand coral]

1FAF0 1FAF1 1FAF2 (U+1FAE8 - U+1FAEF are invalid)

[abstract marsh]

we're going with this sheet right?

[untold crystal]

How do you guys like the recipes better? char +next letter = Next char or Previous char + Char = Next Char

for the sheet

[sand coral]

yes

[abstract marsh]

inconsistent
some does it char + stuff
other does it stuff + char

[untold crystal]

U+1E000 - U+1E07F

[abstract marsh]

ah utf-8 thingy blocking the chain again

[sand coral]

found a recursive loop (1F6E9 and 1F6EC). I'll try to fix it tomorrow

[lethal nymph]

1eb7

[untold crystal]

Horror recipe for U+a252

[lethal nymph]

radu, is the script working fine?

[untold crystal]

excellent.

[lethal nymph]

nice, and the loading time?

[untold crystal]

is still bad, but way better than before

[lethal nymph]

did you also get the script i recommended using alongside

[untold crystal]

yea

[lethal nymph]

i see

[candid trellis]

whats the new "cap" of elements, if you have only average lengths of elements?

[lethal nymph]

should be infinite

or like, at least 50mb worth

860k elememts is around 2(something) mb

[untold crystal]

I especially love the fact that it doesn't lag when I delete everything in my search bar, or if I write only a letter or "the"

[lethal nymph]

the dbounce script massively improves the game's performance at high element count

[abstract marsh]

interesting

[untold crystal]

I have a question, I see that soft hyphen wasn't found, but people found it in an element. Anyone has a recipe for such an element?

[abstract marsh]

check ic browser

[untold crystal]

for? Just the soft hyphen gives me nothing

[graceful marsh]

#print.the.character.u + U+00ad = ñ

Well screw you then

[untold crystal]

mr. soft hyphen

[graceful marsh]

#give.me.the.actual.character + U+00ad = 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦
"..u-00ad" + #print.the.actual.character = ♡

Ooh, nice

How do you get the first one again?

[abstract marsh]

oh wait u mean 00ad
i thought its something else ( brain failure )
mostly was found by nata

[graceful marsh]

Oh by the way Glowy did you know about this?

[abstract marsh]

nope, not exploring altphabet with tools that much beside name unicode/ unicode name

[untold crystal]

this was my way

[untold crystal]

yea, 00ad

[slate whale]

better than whatever i got

[graceful marsh]

Mr. ­ + Mr. A = Mr. A­ (A + soft hyphen)

Unfortunately no preservation when removing Mr.

Hm

(soft hyphen g)

[olive timber]

Mr. B (soft hyphen)

[abstract marsh]

random, u mind sharing the recipe & result of those
kinda interesting subject i wanted to read for wasting time in the weekend

[slate whale]

ok

[graceful marsh]

Mr. ­ + Put This In Parentheses = Mr. (­)

Mr. (­) + Mrs. (­) = Baby

Fuck

[olive timber]

..?

[graceful marsh]

Que pasa

What the fuck is that top element

[graceful marsh]

Where did you get that

[abstract marsh]

they indeed did it

[graceful marsh]

Yay

[slate whale]

"() + Mr. ­ = Mr. ­"

[untold crystal]

"hi <" is just "hi " + <

[graceful marsh]

Huh

Neat

[untold crystal]

if someone else wants to make a proper lineage go for it, cause my "hi <" recipe sucks. nevermind "hi <" is just "hi " + <

[graceful marsh]

You should edit that into the post

[untold crystal]

I'm gonna make another lineage for it, starting from easier stuff

look below for ' ' .U+00ad, final lineage

[graceful marsh]

' ' = 'y' + U+0020 for future people

[spice lark]

cant wait for string.append version for asd

[graceful marsh]

Mr. () should be most of the way there

Let me see actually

Nevermind

[sonic heart]

Wow

[slate whale]

U+0219

u+021b

[golden ferry]

holy hell

[graceful marsh]

Managed to get quoted "{space}{soft hyphen}"

"hi <" + Mr. ­ = "hi Mr. ­"
"hi Mr. ­" + Remove The Mr. = "hi ­"
"hi ­" + Remove The Word Hi = " ­"

[echo wasp]

what the f

did i just see soft hyphen get crafted

crazy

[stable verge]

yeah

[lethal nymph]

they're all just [random codepoint] + [random tool]

[echo wasp]

also yeah thats not gonna happen for a while

[chilly fulcrum]

Ha lol see it listens to you xd

[echo wasp]

"it was right in front of me the whole time😭"

[chilly fulcrum]

Previously mojibake was only way to get it

[echo wasp]

I already had Mr. ' '

[chilly fulcrum]

actually you had Mr. Append ' ' right?

seems op

[echo wasp]

both

[chilly fulcrum]

I want

[echo wasp]

i don't rmb how

[chilly fulcrum]

Okay nice

[chilly fulcrum]

??? lol I want

[olive timber]

#1215495041049436170 message

[chilly fulcrum]

may need to share prepend U+00ad, unless we add a section explaining those in a guide (we need to get started on that too)

[echo wasp]

step one: have "the Prepend U+00"
step two: add 'ad'
step three: remove the the

(I don't even know if that's correct, I haven't opened inf craft since I played what beats rock)

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah its right

that works

[echo wasp]

lol

[chilly fulcrum]

totally forgot what the use case of Mr. append ' ' was though

i saw you using it a lot in string. appends though

to inset quotes of different type or something

its a while ago now

[sage wren]

anyone got a clue on what this is , ,,

[chilly fulcrum]

easiest is to copy paste console output

into any unicode tool

it will tell you whats there

[sage wren]

I don't have a console.

[stable verge]

true

[sage wren]

i can't check console so someone else probably can, recipe is "kha" + Convert To Kaomoji + Remove First Character

[stable verge]

we dont have convert to kaomoji

[chilly fulcrum]

there is uses of it in sheet but i dont remember a recipe true

[lethal nymph]

should be ﾀﾞ

(halfwidth ta and dakuten)

[sage wren]

interessante

[chilly fulcrum]

damn

Mr. Convert To Kaomoji wont let me remove the Mr.

cant make convert to kaomoji

how

input tool might be about to be fixed

fingers crossed

[echo wasp]

yeah that is just not happening

[chilly fulcrum]

amazing that was so fast

the input tool thing i wrote

who wants to test it

[chilly fulcrum]

ok i thought it was glitched but its fine

[sand coral]

1F6DC 1F6DD 1F6DE 1F6DF (1F6D8 - 1F6DB are invalid)

[chilly fulcrum]

try saying unassigned rather than invalid

just a preference thing

[sand coral]

okay

[chilly fulcrum]

invalid might make it sound like invalid recipe, theres technically nothing invalid about those characters (unicode says some specific characters are in fact invalid but nobody listens to them)

like U+D800 is explicitly not allowed

but nobody cares

anyway if you guys want to put in things faster consider testing out input tool, i have made some changes and i really need to make sure it works.

i do need to give acess for it but im okay to do it if you ask to test it out

but hopefully it lets you put in 100 recipes at once

[sand coral]

U+1F979
["[/inst]"](#1226511876733669436 message)

[chilly fulcrum]

i guess i took input tool for granted

dont feel as motivated now but thats okay i can just hunt like everyone else

[chilly fulcrum]

although some of those longer words like flex in quotes can be hard sometimes, and did you have to revive Capi in quotes? or was it alive already

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah i mean "twith" isnt quite trivial but i got it different to you, i did "at" + "with" + delete first letter (took a few deletes)

💀

[stable verge]

welp its real

[chilly fulcrum]

cant un quote "bolditaliccapital Q"

it makes q anon

ok got it

the classic trick with combining with normal words

[sand coral]

Easier 1FAAD 1FAAE 1FAAF

[chilly fulcrum]

𝑻 not even fd

all that effort

[chilly fulcrum]

1d4a2

G with circumflex: https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j37ky6mqkebvz4pewas102tv

[chilly fulcrum]

is there some quote strats for when letters wont remove? i seem to vaguely recall

[slate whale]

idk if nothing works i add a number at the start and try again

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah i currently have

the h is not found yet

but i cant remove the s

[slate whale]

tried "[/inst]" ?

[chilly fulcrum]

ill try

fffd or no effect

[slate whale]

finally

U+01ae

[chilly fulcrum]

nice

maybe if i could make remove the [s thingy]

who will go for tangut first tho

block of 6k totally untouched

[untold crystal]

Finally. You cannot imaginr how much I tried to get that

[chilly fulcrum]

1d4c6

[chilly fulcrum]

same problem

i have wru rn

cant remove anything

[slate whale]

U+01b4

[chilly fulcrum]

same with my

cant remove the m

[slate whale]

can u give lineage

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah okay

both my and wru here

t recipe is #fromcharcode + U+1d3f

[slate whale]

hmm

[chilly fulcrum]

quoting it may help but i dont know how

but others do seem a fair way ahead of me; quoting things that are themselves quoted already

[graceful marsh]

"hi Mr. " on the wru string doesn't work?

[chilly fulcrum]

ah fair ill try

nope

ok but i did get it in a hi mr another way

this lineage will suck

if it works

ah

i have the y on its own quoted

nice

got the y

[graceful marsh]

FD?

[sage wren]

perchance

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah fd

[candid trellis]

Ef Dee

[chilly fulcrum]

probably a much easier my - the game likes to randomly give words or word-like collections of letters from these ranges

like all those random words you have from this block just are totally random unrelated codepoints that decide to just come here

couldnt get the Sh thing to do it though

um

got the y with [baby] also

mr. p

[sage wren]

freaky mr. p

[graceful marsh]

I love that Beach Boys song

[chilly fulcrum]

wru i also couldnt get in, but im only trying like 1 or 2 tools i dont know of others

[graceful marsh]

Strat seemingly invented yesterday but "hi " + < + Mr. {whatever}?

[chilly fulcrum]

hm ok

did indeed work

spot the difference

[sage wren]

y

[chilly fulcrum]

ah dang it see last time with the y

i was carried

one of the deletes removed like 3 letters

at once

thus skipping the "Mr. x" (dead) issue

unfortunately i havent skipped that yet

[chilly fulcrum]

you got the v? cool

[slate whale]

and w

[chilly fulcrum]

i tried a lot but i couldnt get it either with something else or on its own

[slate whale]

i got a lot of elements with the v

[chilly fulcrum]

how? i tried every trick in the book and got 0

[chilly fulcrum]

lol? i mean yeah nothing with the u in it + next anything worked

but it did sometimes give something

like thats where wru comes from

it was the only thing that came up from trying to get v

how many other things did you get?

think you can make the h also

[slate whale]

wait

[chilly fulcrum]

did it all come from mv? hmm it cant have been

it was first mvu

or wait no i think thats not how it works

[slate whale]

U+1d4cb

[slate whale]

no

this is the only one which i didnt need mv

[chilly fulcrum]

what other entries

i see i actually may have got that

[slate whale]

its not fd

[chilly fulcrum]

although i didnt get it with Ms.

damn i got it but also not fd

Mrs. tu + u

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah see how the delete skipped the "Mr." problem

only reason i could get the y

[slate whale]

Next Ascii + 𝓌 = 𝓎

[chilly fulcrum]

danm way too fast? that should take hours man

[sage wren]

hours for letters?

[chilly fulcrum]

like it just said ok here are the chars

didnt make you work for your meal

[sand coral]

1F6CA 1F6CB

[slate whale]

i just put them on sheet

[chilly fulcrum]

damn those look the same o.o

but emoji is give away

[slate whale]

h left

[chilly fulcrum]

oh you got the a, interesting

[slate whale]

this was entry

[chilly fulcrum]

i see, i need to find a way to try every combo then

cause you dont want to know how much of that sort of thing i tried

i a few times got it to put the regular letter there

like i got Mr. (u)v

with the fancy u

uh

just got fancy f fancy a normal g

"banned"

[slate whale]

U+1d4b6

for "𝓋" #1206592567622373446 message

[chilly fulcrum]

i see - is that how you avoided the "Mr." issue

[slate whale]

yep

it was lucky

[chilly fulcrum]

maybe with sh you can do similar

i mean i couldnt get any form of it in quotes though

so i couldnt even get up to that stage

[slate whale]

did u post the sh?

[chilly fulcrum]

it was the capital s from previous + the j i think

hm let me see

[sonic heart]

Maybe yall could try with "mr. " or "0mr. "

To get it in quotes

[chilly fulcrum]

𝒻 + 𝒮 = 𝒮𝒽

all regular g

[slate whale]

U+1d4bd #1206592567622373446 message for "𝒶"

[chilly fulcrum]

how far in was 'ha'

to the attempts

[slate whale]

probably 5th thing with h that i tried

[chilly fulcrum]

okay

yeah i guess having the quoted a helps

[slate whale]

yep

[chilly fulcrum]

going for the next g for a while now

not sure where to begin, i guess i need one of them in quotes somehow

although i dont actually know how to do that

ok got hi mr B

your tech with quoted v did let me skip the "Mr." problem

[sand coral]

1F5EA

[chilly fulcrum]

but can i get it to remove the v

[sonic heart]

What do you have rn?

[chilly fulcrum]

nope 😦

i have "Bv"

"𝓑𝓋"

[sonic heart]

Try combining it with "mr. " or "0mr. "

[slate whale]

maybe try 'g' before that last step

[sonic heart]

And then removing the last character

[chilly fulcrum]

i have very few elements with 'g' in them

[sonic heart]

I'm traveling rn so i can't help

[chilly fulcrum]

so far its 12/12 on doing this

it just puts the regular g there

sandwich

normal g between the B and v

[slate whale]

what did u combine with the b

[chilly fulcrum]

many things, for what specifically?

[slate whale]

i cant get "hi Mr. B"

or whatver you got

[chilly fulcrum]

oh okay well it was "hi <" + Mr. B

[slate whale]

ok

[chilly fulcrum]

we need Make This Into Fancy Text

[slate whale]

it works for P too btw

[chilly fulcrum]

cool more regular g addon

Pg

[sonic heart]

Maybe try "append [that g unicode]"

With some of these quoted letters

[chilly fulcrum]

see you are used to low unicode

simply doesnt work above like U+2000

but ill try

[sonic heart]

Oh

[chilly fulcrum]

it could randomly work

[sonic heart]

I mean yeah at this point I'm not sure if there are many options

[chilly fulcrum]

ick what is that

1d56d

wow less than 200 off

rare

damn it wont take the hint

sandwiched the g in with 3 other fancy letters

i got fancy MORE

r not found yet

but it makes mr monopoly

oof

[sonic heart]

Lmao

[slate whale]

well it seems not to work with capital letters

[chilly fulcrum]

i got capital g from previous alphabet with G With Circumflex

no luck here

[sand coral]

👍

[chilly fulcrum]

wow

keyboard spam

jkl;'/.,m

\][poiuytrewqasdfghjkl;'/.,mnbvcxz

just ripped a substring from there