Unicode

[echo wasp]

I literally have it pinned 😭

[chilly fulcrum]

a few times ive been annoyed when to get to a character i have to increment through 100 others

[untold crystal]

I had a shortcut

[chilly fulcrum]

ah right

which one is that

like how far down the line

[untold crystal]

130ef

[chilly fulcrum]

okay thats pretty good skip

radu is there any reason why you use Remove The Mr rather than Remove The Mr. ?

i just found that odd

so far they have worked the same

[untold crystal]

no reason. I have that one saved in the pins

I'm gonna switch and use the other one for spreadsheet recipes, if you want

PS. a new batch incoming 131CB is in spreadsheet (with the ugly Ü+3750 recipe)

[chilly fulcrum]

did you have to use that or shortcut? if you get a shortcut for an existing recipe do let us know

cause both of those ingredients arent trivial imo

[untold crystal]

ne shortcut 😦

no

[chilly fulcrum]

ok well how did you get the ingredients in that case

[trim pond]

Mr. _ doesn't work with Cuneiform well. That is why I don't use it with it.

this is nice U+121FE

[chilly fulcrum]

may i have recipe for prepend seq. ? i want to try a bit

[untold crystal]

the numbers you just add them normal..

[echo wasp]

why is Ü+ even a thing lol

[chilly fulcrum]

and it works? too often adding quoted numbers doesnt work

[untold crystal]

I don't know how else to increment Ü+...

numbers in ' ' work very well

for adding puropses

[trim pond]

Prepend Seq. and The Prepend Seq. recipe

[chilly fulcrum]

ah okay i guess round numbers work better

damn "the prepend " ? i wouldnt have thought of that

[trim pond]

idk how I thought of that. i think it was quite lucky

but I couldn't make Seq. . or you could also try to make Seq. _

[chilly fulcrum]

okay well ill have a look

[trim pond]

the other thing that I thought of was that maybe you just need various different XX. (char) and one of them will be lucky and make the character easy incrementable.

so like maybe Seq. isn't even that special, but i didn't really test that

[echo wasp]

perhaps one of these would work for 30000. though again, very unlikely

[chilly fulcrum]

i forgot the stuff for the prepend Jr. 💀 for the directyl next alphabet i am so silly

[echo wasp]

#1206592567622373446 message
here

[chilly fulcrum]

lol

?????

[echo wasp]

lol what

[untold crystal]

what was the command to check the elements with the most recipes from the save file

?

[chilly fulcrum]

ah ok let me see

#1215495041049436170 message

i think this is it

[echo wasp]

#1215495041049436170 message

oh lol

[chilly fulcrum]

damn well if i cant make Utf-8 go into quotes then it will be hard to make UTF-8 Increment (want to try just in case)

[untold crystal]

or do you want "the Utf-8"?

[chilly fulcrum]

i just want really to be able to make what im after here - whichever strat you reckon is best i probably chose wrong

"totally asked for this" x 2

[trim pond]

also I made this but it doesn't seem to do any more than what I can already do

[chilly fulcrum]

ah damn i went for something like that ages ago

do you know how long it took me to make complete the pattern

[trim pond]

a day?

[chilly fulcrum]

2 days 😭

well i finally got to new block but im stuck rather quick

it seems very convinced that 13308 is a rainbow

ok i got past

whew

[trim pond]

and does Complete The Pattern at least work?

[chilly fulcrum]

no

these are gonna all end up as totally random recipes never put in the sheet until eventually we run the script and find you have 1000 random cjk made this way 💀

[trim pond]

it is good because those are loads of entry points

[chilly fulcrum]

ok well i could get to here

its getting heavily mixed up with 1fxxx

like i cant prepend Mr. to anything even close to where im at

all makes Mr. Sun or something like that

[trim pond]

yeah sometimes you need to increment the mr multiple times. I also had one cuneiform block like that.

[chilly fulcrum]

is there alternate prepends? i guess so

yeah i know but ive gone back quite far

[trim pond]

The Prepend Mr. or Mr. .

[chilly fulcrum]

and its all still getting mixed up

you can see how much i incremented already

[trim pond]

yeah you need to keep track of which is which. alternately you can put numbers/letters next to them so you remember (based on last unicode letter)

its' even worse with the characters that do not render

[chilly fulcrum]

well the ai itself is mixing up 13xxx with 1fxxx

[trim pond]

ooh that is what you meant. that is funny

[chilly fulcrum]

like if you have a go youll see

[trim pond]

like it makes elements with swapped B and 8 etc. sometimes right

[chilly fulcrum]

im sure youd figure out a way through

but youll see it makes like Mr. Sun

because the corresponding codepoint in 1fxxx is the sun emoji

[trim pond]

how far did you get?

[chilly fulcrum]

no further than the pic

1331d

[trim pond]

ok i will try

[chilly fulcrum]

i have a pretty good idea of why that is

again its token related

[trim pond]

Mr. 𓌘 + Next Letter = Mr. 𓌙
Mr. 𓌙 + Next Letter = Mr. 𓌚
Mr. 𓌚 + Next Letter = Mr. 𓌛
Mr. 𓌛 + Next Letter = Mr. 𓌜
Mr. 𓌜 + Next Letter = Mr. 𓌝
Mr. 𓌝 + Replace Mr. With Seq. = Seq. 𓌝
Next Letter + Seq. 𓌝 = 𓌞```

[chilly fulcrum]

okay ill get those i guess

[trim pond]

i want to try to make it without seq.

ok found a way to make it without seq

[chilly fulcrum]

whats your replace recipe

[trim pond]

search

oh sry I thought you meant the whole Replace Mr. With Seq.

wait a sec

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah reverse sometimes does work ive noticed

[trim pond]

My Replace recipe

[chilly fulcrum]

mine is about as bad yeah

[trim pond]

this is from ages ago xD

you can see because I only use "alphabet"

also Prepend Mr. + 𓌟 = Mr. 𓌟 Mr. 𓌟 + Next Letter = Mr. 𓌠 Mr. 𓌠 + Remove The Mr. = 𓌠 to get U+13320

should I let you complete the chain?

[chilly fulcrum]

ah im a bit behind sorry

im trying to make a better replace mr with seq maybe ask eisern idk i just dont like the appends

[trim pond]

ok well I will leave it be for now and focus on Cuneiform

[untold crystal]

An easier recipe for replace

[chilly fulcrum]

i have it curly

[untold crystal]

A gap

[trim pond]

can you get it out?

[echo wasp]

got it this way

since i didnt want to get Append 'alphabet'

[chilly fulcrum]

ok i need do do this one hold on

[echo wasp]

was someone able to increment it?

oh nvm i saw the sheet

[chilly fulcrum]

ik you have no recipe for without hyphen but can you try find one plz

[echo wasp]

well

[untold crystal]

#1213692353223589888 message

[chilly fulcrum]

damn how do you find this? crazy

i can try ahh ok hold on im falling behind

ok we got convert to hieroglyphs but what about hieroglyph? its used in some recipes

for a block

[echo wasp]

wha-

[graceful marsh]

It beckons

Go on

30000 is waiting for you

[chilly fulcrum]

i mean good luck incrementing

[graceful marsh]

It changes every single token, right?

Or does my memory fail me once more

[chilly fulcrum]

f0 remains

which by the way 0xf0 as the leading byte i think has been going since U+1xxxx

f0 af bf bf -> f0 b0 80 80

incrementing from bf to 80 the ai finds extremely challenging

doing it for two tokens at once? good luck is all i can say

[chilly fulcrum]

convert to cjk?

[echo wasp]

ig its time to give the recipe for that

had it for quite a while

[untold crystal]

2 more gaps

[graceful marsh]

Side project I've been on and off trying is making the <0x??> strings ingame

Still ain't close though

[trim pond]

U+12452

[chilly fulcrum]

ahh ok

[echo wasp]

Convert To Cjk

[chilly fulcrum]

groans

[echo wasp]

i tried to not use string.appends for the lineage

perhaps Append 'k' would work, too lazy to get it tho

[graceful marsh]

"jk" and 'jk' already attempted then?

[echo wasp]

yeah

[graceful marsh]

'cjk'?

[chilly fulcrum]

Mr. Cjk Convert To is decent to make

[echo wasp]

nope

amazing

[graceful marsh]

Ah yes

Chinese Japanese Cambodian Jurchen Korean Unified characters

[chilly fulcrum]

lol

[graceful marsh]

Unicode from an alternate dimension

[echo wasp]

frick my ic bugged out again

ah yes

[chilly fulcrum]

the 131cb chain i need to do as well

nata has a fix for it

[graceful marsh]

C'est une fix for that

[echo wasp]

whre

where

[graceful marsh]

#speedrunning message

Remove unsafewindow if it throws up

Throws up an error

Forgot the last word

[echo wasp]

lol i refreshed it alr

[graceful marsh]

Dang

Wait I mean

[echo wasp]

found another (possible) chain

[chilly fulcrum]

okay 131cb chain is go

[echo wasp]

wait im at 131c4

lol

[chilly fulcrum]

wait you got past?

oh that changes things

where did it dump you

131c1?

[echo wasp]

it randomly gave me 131c3

ill do until 131ca

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah 30edd....

lol

[echo wasp]

thats how you know it was completely random

[trim pond]

I reached the end of cuneiform characters that display a symbol

[echo wasp]

alr imma throw 3xxxx stuff at hieroglyphs unicode lol

[chilly fulcrum]

just making sure - this doesnt have 131ee right?

[untold crystal]

Now it does

[echo wasp]

i do have quite a few cjk stuff that arent in sheet - since i dont usually pay attention to non fds i get by accident

[echo wasp]

btw how do u add them in so fast

[chilly fulcrum]

oh how did you get into 124xx? i tried my very hardest but could not get a single character

also asd please put in your updated 131cb recipe

ive moved the current one aside

cause its cringe

[abstract marsh]

oh well not much

[echo wasp]

alr

[trim pond]

Unicode Sumerian + Fifteen

and I incremented all the way to that character

[graceful marsh]

DENTISTRY SYMBOL LIGHT VERTICAL WITH CIRCLE

Don'cha just love Unicode names

[chilly fulcrum]

where does that put you

the sumerian + fifteen

[trim pond]

U+1240F

[chilly fulcrum]

damn thats early

random? or targeted

[trim pond]

yeah

random

[chilly fulcrum]

okay

[trim pond]

I just combined Sumerian with a lot of numbers and stuff

[chilly fulcrum]

we broke 47% btw

[trim pond]

yeah nice

[chilly fulcrum]

this morning we were at 44.7%

[trim pond]

waiting for 50%

[chilly fulcrum]

2.3% in about 16 hours

[trim pond]

nice

[trim pond]

btw do you know the % of Cuneiform that is done? like out of the visible characters, let's say up to U+12474

[chilly fulcrum]

no

[untold crystal]

there is still one gap there

[chilly fulcrum]

but it should be "easy" to check

damn thats cool

also radu i think im missing some hieroglyphics from you now again

may want to run script

i think i fell slightly behind and lost a few chars somewhere

[untold crystal]

I can't right now. I must leave

[chilly fulcrum]

okay

but its funny last week i think we were sayin "maybe 50% by end of year" but now 50% could be done tomorrow

[abstract marsh]

meanwhile me chilling and slowly depleting cjk unicodes i had...

[trim pond]

It would be interesting to see a graph of the progress since the creation of the sheet

[graceful marsh]

Y'know what, I think I'll ask for my editor privileges back

[abstract marsh]

good idea

got some good amount... time to add em

[echo wasp]

yo that's actually crazy

[graceful marsh]

Patching up some holes

[echo wasp]

im glad to have contributed at least a few

[trim pond]

how many is 2.3%?

[echo wasp]

Well.. it sure can be manually calced

im sure its 2 percent for the "other characters" section right

[graceful marsh]

717 characters I think?

If my fucking game loads and I finish what I started with Parthian I could push out at least 50ish tonight

[abstract marsh]

it is 2.3% for overall... im going to push at least a hundreds new unicode with just cjk i had

[chilly fulcrum]

someone else please continue my 133xx chain

Alfo found how to get past

[echo wasp]

wait overall

[chilly fulcrum]

from there just increment a few more times and the hole will be totally patched

no it’s not for overall it’s for the “main” sheet

[echo wasp]

ah

[chilly fulcrum]

2.3% overall would be around 3.5k

[echo wasp]

ok yeah that's like just not gonna happen

[abstract marsh]

another batch

[chilly fulcrum]

cjk with next letter? it’s kinda more op than I thought

I wonder if it wasn’t useful but then update

Previous letter also increments usually

[abstract marsh]

alright imma try get it

[chilly fulcrum]

like the ai physically cant decrement - possibly due to the presence of + in the input

the only thing I think that works reliably is -1 or minus one

but Things like “previous” “decrement” etc just don’t work they increment if anything

[abstract marsh]

looks like it doesnt want to continue either for

IDEOGRAPHIC DESCRIPTION CHARACTER OVERLAID: 2FFB
what the frick is that naming

[chilly fulcrum]

I think we found those ones

but they are duplicated still

In the sheet

[abstract marsh]

yeah i just checked the range

[chilly fulcrum]

specifically what did you do

[abstract marsh]

this i guess?

[echo wasp]

yeah sometimes Decrement is the only thing that works

[abstract marsh]

mind share all kind of decrement tool in one message? i might want to grab em
( just link is fine too )

[trim pond]

i can try to increment it

oh wait

it is that one

[graceful marsh]

All that work for a non-FD (the 1 is a label, not an element)

[abstract marsh]

why most of these stop at xxx3f or xx3f

[chilly fulcrum]

what’s the rationale here? I swear one day I’ll make a lineage that cool and not get stuck lol

ah

glowy the reason is token based

try it out

put in xx3f into tokeniser and do the same with xx40

and note the key difference

[graceful marsh]

Are you asking me or someone else

[abstract marsh]

i see

thats alot of differences

[graceful marsh]

Alright all Inscriptional Parthian letters done

Wait, no

I forgot aleph

Rubiks you got InscPar Aleph right?

Uh...

Okay, I think I found one of those white holes you were talking about

U+10B5E is extremely resistant to existing

[abstract marsh]

nearly 1.5% left :D

[graceful marsh]

Any ideas to get 𐭞?

Nevermind, got it

Alright, Inscriptional Parthian block 99% done

[abstract marsh]

can someone try merge 笔 with alotta random words low depth and sent the result that are 1 unicode?
might be interesting to see
Pencil + 中文 = 笔

[tame violet]

i have the perfect emoji for this but no nitrogen 😔

[abstract marsh]

but.... why

[graceful marsh]

New Next Symbol obviously means a new random next symbol, duh

[untold crystal]

it does a better job then this

[abstract marsh]

u mind if i change Alt recipe and first recipe?

[candid trellis]

But it's not next tho?

[graceful marsh]

It's next to U+5164

Thus it is a Next Symbol to something

[abstract marsh]

quite tame recipe ( idk why i got it )
https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j1t585ymeaystdxvs5p9126t

[abstract marsh]

with that, 1.5% left :>

[graceful marsh]

Of what?

[abstract marsh]

before reaching 15% overall/total progress

[graceful marsh]

Ah

How many more until 50% other?

[untold crystal]

A new entire block

[abstract marsh]

2.9% rounded
2.8xx% unrounded

[untold crystal]

Next Random Hieroglyph Unicode

[graceful marsh]

That's a nice template

Does it work on other Unicodes?

[untold crystal]

it usually creates 2 of the same unicode

[graceful marsh]

I mean Next Random Unico

[untold crystal]

nope. it creates or unicorn or this

[graceful marsh]

Dam

[untold crystal]

#1206592567622373446 message From the same block as this one. Follow the link for all the elements after 13216 in this block

[untold crystal]

This is weird

[abstract marsh]

im not sure what im doing, but ai is pretty sure those are ear

[median karma]

hear him out

[trim pond]

found this. not yet sure if it will be useful

[untold crystal]

Another gap almost filled

[candid trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-wojapes-brainlet-wojack-nft-gif-26382735

[trim pond]

did someone share the recipe for U+13089 and U+1308A? I made them and they were not FD. But they were not in the spreadsheet.

[untold crystal]

I made them. maybe I forgot to post them, or there are somewhere lost

These were my recipes for U+13089 and U+1308A

anyone got 𓐴 13434?

[trim pond]

U+13140

[candid trellis]

U+13434 (quoted numbers is just addition)

[untold crystal]

I was building the lineage, but I don't see the characters

so it's horror

[candid trellis]

Yeah I can't see some either

so I sometimes think they are just unassigned

[untold crystal]

For 13433 check here #1206592567622373446 message

they are on the spreadsheet

there are still 13435 13436 13437 13438 not found, but for me finding them will be a pain as I can't see them

[trim pond]

U+130DE

[untold crystal]

What?

[trim pond]

U+2FA0

[untold crystal]

And a brand new Block, of course without the first element

[trim pond]

I am telling you, I am gonna lose my mind making the lineage for this element 😭 😭 😭 😭 💀 💀

[trim pond]

Replace Mr. With Dr. and Replace Dr. With Seq. recipes
"the Replace " and "the Replace Mr. With " recipe is here #1206592567622373446 message

U+2FBF LET'S GOOO

[sage wren]

what the fuck

[echo wasp]

...

what is that lineage.... lol

[trim pond]

I challenge anyone to find a better one

Replace x With x doesn't count, only the final element stretch

[echo wasp]

uh im good :))

just use that lineage in the sheet! :)

[chilly fulcrum]

damn you made lots of replace x with y

[trim pond]

New Tool drop !
u32_to_string recipe
easier lineage here #1206592567622373446 message

[trim pond]

U+279C other tools (that I use) give different unicodes

[chilly fulcrum]

cool

[graceful marsh]

Rubiks, could you put up your Inscriptional Parthian Aleph recipe?

It's the final one needed for Parthian after the nonsense that was 𐭞

[chilly fulcrum]

lol okay let me see

what codepoint

[graceful marsh]

10B40

[chilly fulcrum]

@trim pond better?

ah wait i forgor to include the non trivial stuff

here

well then....

[graceful marsh]

Well I won't question it

[chilly fulcrum]

ill look for a bit

oh no lineage for the same charcode is dreadful

[graceful marsh]

Oh by the way, are you looking for examples of the Alfo method still?

This one's a good one for how the method works on otherwise troublesome codepoints

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah ive seen that but i havent quite pulled off anything more elaborate than the simple prepend Mr. + Next Letter

some of the lineages are so deep lol the pattern seems obscure i wonder if its really just throwing characters in any order at it and seeing if it sticks

cause theres never any indication to me that its "good"

ok ynw its not too bad

i dont have a good lineage for The Opposite

but im sure its fine

not even bad

ig as long as you have #correct-charcode

okay now i do need to catch back up to the hieroglyphics

[chilly fulcrum]

Unico?

[chilly fulcrum]

this example would be better if i could see the codepoints

[graceful marsh]

Fair enough

[chilly fulcrum]

its not only for your convenience but also others in my opinion that mbs has these

[sage wren]

idk what radu did but Delete The “y” + Yunico works

[chilly fulcrum]

Heres Hieroglyph Unicode (maybe it was sent but i couldnt find it)

Yunico... interesting

how to get Yunico

[graceful marsh]

Bowser

[chilly fulcrum]

true

[chilly fulcrum]

ooh interested in the revival for "the Next" if you had to do that although maybe you didnt, idk how to revive "word1 Word2" very well

Delete the Y + Yunico is simpler

Next Random Hieroglyph Unicode (more comprehensive version)

[echo wasp]

btw how many hieroglyphs are there rn

[graceful marsh]

Like, in the sheet or in Unicode?

[echo wasp]

in the sheet

also I like how that capital T got requested in AWWM

perhaps it's time to request for a soft hyphen... (jk)

[sonic heart]

Yeahhh

[sonic heart]

I would do it if i didn't make 2 near-impossible joke requests lmao

[chilly fulcrum]

do you copy and paste every console output then to see whats there o.o?

finishing off my block

[graceful marsh]

In public? That's brave

[chilly fulcrum]

i dont get it and im not sure i want to 💀

[abstract marsh]

im not sure either what is going on here

[sonic heart]

I'm also not sure lol

[chilly fulcrum]

im still a bit behind with radus hieroglyphs and i have to work now for a bit so i cant do em rn

[chilly fulcrum]

hmm im trying to work out utf-8 rules just by pattern observation

of course this can only go so far

but it looks to me like this is what we have for things >= U+1000

for U+1000 - U+ffff, the representation goes ex 80 80 at U+x000 to ex bf bf at U+xfff however the ex can be replaced by f0 8x and still be valid it seems

[echo wasp]

I requested String.append('­')

replace ­ with soft hyphen

[chilly fulcrum]

well how many elements do you have with soft hyphen in them

i have still only 2

[echo wasp]

over 10

[chilly fulcrum]

the original one and then like 1 more

can you run a search for me id like to see

[echo wasp]

im not at home rn tho

later I'll show u

last time I gave 00ad a fair shot, therefore I have quite a few

(all of them come with the Ã, of course)

[abstract marsh]

what about other time 😯

[chilly fulcrum]

i mean i gave it a go too but didnt get much combining action

[echo wasp]

that probably not gonna happen

I spent like two hours on 00ad already lol, don't rly want to spend more time on it rn :))

[graceful marsh]

There's a whole bunch of spaces I've been trying to chip away at for a bit

En Quad onwards

[chilly fulcrum]

did you ever get any?

also side note have you tried writing out the utf-8 and seeing if that ever works?

i tried it once

did not work

[graceful marsh]

I accidentally got Em Dash and that's it

[chilly fulcrum]

hmm

interesting so like the ogham space mark (considered whitespace by unicode) we have gotten it looks like

[lethal nymph]

we have the ogham space mark?

[chilly fulcrum]

we do but i cant find recipe for ingredients

i need ogham unicode

i have unicode ogham

[echo wasp]

hwat

what?

[chilly fulcrum]

?

im just wanting to check recipe

but i need ingredients first

[graceful marsh]

Wait what recipe is on the sheet?

Ancient Scripts sheet has this one

[chilly fulcrum]

i need ogham unicode

the recipe is ogham unicode + {10009}

i have unicode ogham

[graceful marsh]

Oh

Could you try Ogham only

[chilly fulcrum]

i guess?

its Nothing

[graceful marsh]

Huh

Then Pitaden's sheet is wrong

[chilly fulcrum]

well hold up ogham + what? i mean i dont have that char there

i tried + {10009}

ok there is one entry that doesnt use ogham unicode

it uses unicode ogham (i have it)

[graceful marsh]

That is in fact 10009

𐀉

Linear B syllable B051

[chilly fulcrum]

oh i must not have a font then

10xxx never renders for me

well maybe once it wasnt nothing but then neal changed something? a bit of a stretch but we have to consider it also

but tbh i need ogham unicode to be sure

if thats also Nothing

then id be sus

[graceful marsh]

Og

Oh

It worked at some point

#dev message

Unrelatedly

#dev message

[chilly fulcrum]

okay well that does suggest something changed but for my sake ill keep trying to make ogham unicode

[sage wren]

cant believe " is impossible.. better delete it from my save then 😞

[chilly fulcrum]

ok i got it

[echo wasp]

damn

[chilly fulcrum]

it doesnt give nothing

it gives 10009 back...

[echo wasp]

i didnt know 100+ of my recipes were faked...

[chilly fulcrum]

now one thing i think we need to be sure of is that its actually 10009 we were combining and not like 10009 + rtl or something silly

[sage wren]

i always knew

[chilly fulcrum]

either way sheet recipe is wrong

[sage wren]

You're not trustworthy after all

[chilly fulcrum]

unexpected emoji fd U+1671 + U+1677 = 👱🏻

[graceful marsh]

Man's hair looks like piss

[chilly fulcrum]

U+1680 + Ogham Unicode = Nothing

also suspicious

[chilly fulcrum]

it may now be unobtainable

either way sheet recipe wrong

but what do we even do here

[abstract marsh]

i wonder how many invalid recipes we had in here...
should do a script check ?

oh well, idk how to do that, i guess imma just wait & see

[lethal nymph]

that is before the prepended space glitch, right?

[echo wasp]

qe is real 😮

[lethal nymph]

it should be unobtainable

before the prepended space glitch, spaces weren't trimmed from output

now they are

[chilly fulcrum]

lineage on the right does not work

[lethal nymph]

all of these should be unobtainable isolated:
0009​, ​000a​, ​000b​, ​000c​, ​000d​, ​0020​, ​00a0​, ​1680​, ​2000​, ​2001​, ​2002​, ​2003​, ​2004​, ​2005​, ​2006​, ​2007​, ​2008​, ​2009​, ​200a​, ​2028​, ​2029​, ​202f​, ​205f​, ​3000​, ​feff

[chilly fulcrum]

feff isnt considered whitespace

[lethal nymph]

but it is trimmed anyway

[chilly fulcrum]

hmm ok so what does dictate that then

the list you give there matches all chars with whitespace = true except for feff

but we have evidence that 1680 was obtained isolated at one point

[graceful marsh]

The modern Galileo

[chilly fulcrum]

but now the recipe is Nothing

[lethal nymph]

cause now it gets reduced to nothing

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah so when did this change happen

[lethal nymph]

prepended space glitch, i suppose

[graceful marsh]

But weren't empty recipes 500 when unquote happened?

[lethal nymph]

neal wants to make sure it never happens again

[chilly fulcrum]

like could space have been by itself

[graceful marsh]

Or was that only .

[chilly fulcrum]

i mean to make it never happen again, try not adding spaces in the front of the response?

[lethal nymph]

my guess is that these happens at different parts of the process

trimming probably happens before whatever causes the unquote

[graceful marsh]

Ah, that nakes sense

[lethal nymph]

yeah that's what trimming does

damn now we have another kind of "recipe stops working"

[graceful marsh]

And actually the timeline seems reasonable

Original output trim was just everything after = > Neal changes something about output reading > PSG > Trim as final solution

Apologies for shorthand am on back of a motorbicycle

[abstract marsh]

safe travel

[chilly fulcrum]

i mean trimming is a bandaid

like if you dont add a space to begin

but i guess you could also say

[graceful marsh]

Tree the AI will add it for you

[chilly fulcrum]

well the ai could just do that itself

[graceful marsh]

*then

[chilly fulcrum]

right

but i am slightly triggered by how the list of trimmed characters matches the list of whitespace characters exactly .... except for the inclusion of feff

feff is not whitespace so why is it trimmed

idk what should we do? highlight red or ask ray to do it or smth?

[chilly fulcrum]

bruh what is that one with jp hanging off the edge 💀

[echo wasp]

llama was a bit too smart

damn it removed the hyphen

[chilly fulcrum]

your problem is going to be that its a single token

much like the lenny eyeball

and now i know exactly why

remember the recipe

used 00ed

[echo wasp]

yeah

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah this is the most common encoding fail when you intend to display U+00ed

U+00ed in utf-8 is c3 ad

but then this gets interpreted as U+00c3 U+00ad

hence, í

[lethal nymph]

if we knew whoever the fuck revived "Ã{cedilla}" it would be great

[echo wasp]

me

[lethal nymph]

great

[graceful marsh]

I think the sheet should list the whitespaces the same way as . and =

[graceful marsh]

And also . should be "Impossible" at this point

[lethal nymph]

how did you do it?

[echo wasp]

not very ideal lineages

[lethal nymph]

i see

i have something along the line of I Hate Ã{shy} which is kinda fitting

nvm i actually don't??

i swear i did

[echo wasp]

lol

the game keeps taunting me

[chilly fulcrum]

this is valid UTF-8??? 💀 fc 80 80 80 80 bf

= ?

6 bytes to represent ascii, great job

well i think i get totally how it works now apart from one annoyance

[graceful marsh]

AFAICT, it's cause FEFF was and is sometimes used as a BOM and so appeared repeatedly at the start of texts, a purpose now deprecated

[chilly fulcrum]

for some reason c0 is banned as a leading byte

so 2 byte sequences for U+0000 - U+003f dont exist

[abstract marsh]

we're at point of investigating such details
...
crafting shouldnt be this difficult

[sturdy wigeon]

what are yall looking for rn

[abstract marsh]

check the pins on quite the bottom part, there's a sheet, check on unicodes thats not checkmarked gl finding em

[sturdy wigeon]

yall arent looking for a specific char

or block

[abstract marsh]

depends on trend trains
currently going for codeblock thats incredibly easy to increment with each other to get much more progress

while majority is just self interest or just decided to work on single codeblock for next few hours/days

[echo wasp]

that's not me with U+00ad

[graceful marsh]

I have a list of funnies

Most are done though

[trim pond]

Yeah, much better xD

[chilly fulcrum]

??? man im just going for lowercase cyrillic A

i have it tagged now but idk i cant use savios tricks to remove it atm

[untold crystal]

I made a mistake. Is the correct 13433 recipe.

[trim pond]

um...

[echo wasp]

bruh I meant replacing ­ with soft hyphen

that was meant to be a joke right

[trim pond]

ok nvm

i thought you meant something different by that

[untold crystal]

13435-13438

[chilly fulcrum]

Ok did i get them all now? im working on the cyrillic comments but the lineage is 😬 and i need better

[chilly fulcrum]

you got it in a delete? with only that? interesting

i only got the original one and like one other

[sonic heart]

dead tho

the "the" is lowercase

[trim pond]

how do you even get it to quotation marks?

[untold crystal]

did anyone try to get the Vai Unicodes? A500-A62B

if not i'm going to

[sonic heart]

..

[trim pond]

thx

[echo wasp]

I have " Ã[shy]"

cant remove the Ã

(you would not want the lineage)

[echo wasp]

who got fd on this ?

and yes convert to cjk radical uses string.appends

Convert To Cjk Radical

[sonic heart]

oh god

[echo wasp]

dw about it :))

[echo wasp]

still not as bad as this

like idk

[sonic heart]

...

[echo wasp]

looks like a very friendly lineage

[sonic heart]

real

[echo wasp]

👍

[chilly fulcrum]

you got it in a the with curly? ive never been able to append a space to a curly idk why

also wrote a crude utf-8 conversion alg without looking anywhere for the real way they do it and what the real rules are lol ```python
def convert_utf8_to_codepoint(data, pointer):

result = data[pointer]

if not result & 0x80:
    return result # Ascii

result ^= 0x80
if result < 0x41:
    return 0 # Invalid, 0x41 because they made c0 leading byte illegal for some reason

tester = 0x40
while result & tester:
    
    if tester > 0x80000000:
        return 0 # Too big!
    
    pointer += 1
    val = data[pointer] ^ 0x80
    
    if val > 0x3f:
        return 0 # Invalid, not in range(0x80, 0xc0)

    result = (result ^ tester) << 6 | val
    tester <<= 5
    
return result

main meat is inside the while - all its doing is base 64 counting

[echo wasp]

whats that for

[chilly fulcrum]

fun

but it correctly converts utf-8 to codepoint, at least so far in testing

basically utf-8 if you ignore the leading byte is extremely simple

if you ignore the leading byte its just literally counting in base 64

but with the "0" being offset to 0x80

hardest part is leading byte for sure though

im sure theres a super simple way, but i decided to do this fully myself

[echo wasp]

U+16f10 to U+16f3f

is there a way to add these chains in quickly

[slate whale]

got this without string.append but it sucks

[echo wasp]

well if its way worse then (perhaps?) the orignal lineage would be better

just show it ig

[slate whale]

imean

probably not THAT bad

[echo wasp]

bruh what

[slate whale]

ye

and then remove the mr

[echo wasp]

ah

[untold crystal]

why did you ask?

[echo wasp]

no was just curious

[untold crystal]

And my recipe

[chilly fulcrum]

Is that a space before the c?

[slate whale]

idk

i cant search the element

[echo wasp]

yes

[slate whale]

nopeee

[chilly fulcrum]

well Mr. Cjk Convert To is not hard but idk

[slate whale]

wtf

[echo wasp]

what

[lethal nymph]

quite common when working with cjk

[slate whale]

i see

[chilly fulcrum]

oof

[slate whale]

could be easier (convert to cjk)

[echo wasp]

"probably"

oh so all those "spaces" in my chinese word hashtags (bad phrasing but wtv) were fullwidths

so easy to follow 😭

[abstract marsh]

as long as its a+b=c+b=d+c=e+d
should be easy

[graceful marsh]

Can't you just switch to Noto Vai on those

[untold crystal]

Vai-unicode-vai.

U+a554 - U+a57f

[echo wasp]

ok nice

[graceful marsh]

Dammit, I had a good one coming

Or not nevermind

[echo wasp]

wtf

llol

[graceful marsh]

Feck, the bloody tool works before I get to remove it

Ah well

[echo wasp]

ah yes

i completely forgot about gender switching

[trim pond]

what about Convert To Kangxi Radicals?

[abstract marsh]

thanks

[lethal nymph]

wow okay

new a e i o u type element

now we can farm 5 unicodes at once !!

[trim pond]

does it increment by 5? like to the next block

[echo wasp]

yeah that would in theory be nice

[graceful marsh]

Oh fuck off

[graceful marsh]

There we go

[graceful marsh]

Where did you come from

[lethal nymph]

it just doesn't increment lmao

[trim pond]

btw I can't figure out the recipe for "-a" anyone has it?

[sonic heart]

mine is "tr" + .a + delete the periods + prepend hyphen

[lethal nymph]

"trim" also works instead of "tr"

[trim pond]

thx

[sonic heart]

lol

[echo wasp]

U+2b881 to U+2b8bf

kinda late rn, cant add it today

[chilly fulcrum]

Mr lowercase c???? lmao what is recipe

[chilly fulcrum]

revived Mr convert to cjk how?

[lethal nymph]

wasn't me

[echo wasp]

was alr revived

[chilly fulcrum]

ah rough

tight

What

Can’t type

[chilly fulcrum]

💀

well we didn’t get to 50% today but still good progress

[robust sparrow]

i know this is not related but can i have the recipe for lowercase nothing

[chilly fulcrum]

Was that always the recipe for Convert To?

[echo wasp]

#nothing + Text Transform Lowercase

bruh I just realised i have another old batch

48 more chars 😭

[chilly fulcrum]

Did you run the script

it will make list for you

[echo wasp]

where do I run it agian

[chilly fulcrum]

anywhere capable of running python - visual studio, command prompt, idle, etc

[echo wasp]

k ill run it tmr if I can rmb

[chilly fulcrum]

Is it too hard to run now?

[echo wasp]

no i am not at my pc, it's quite late

[untold crystal]

This is part 2. : 104e7-104fb. #1206592567622373446 message Part 1

for whoever wants to make bamum letters. U+16955 entry point

or U+a516 + Directly Next Unicode = U+16956

[untold crystal]

104d8-104e7. Part 1 of block

[graceful marsh]

Nice little chain, 110B0 - 110BF

[chilly fulcrum]

What about those random Unicode tools

[graceful marsh]

U+103A6 (first character is U+103A5)

[chilly fulcrum]

Radu right now are you going for anything specifically? or are you throwing random codepoints at things

[untold crystal]

I am trying to get the Vai unicodes.

I am now making the lineages for all Random and Vai related stuff

That I use or may use

[untold crystal]

Next Random Unicode, Next Random Vai Unicode, Vai Unicode, Unicode Random Vai, Unicode Random, Random Unicode]

[trim pond]

is it good?

[golden ferry]

uh

how do i get it out of quotes

[graceful marsh]

Horse

[candid trellis]

Hors

[untold crystal]

that's why I didn't go through that route

[untold crystal]

some are better then others, but not for my vai unicode quest

[graceful marsh]

Well, yes, I guess that's true

[slate whale]

yeah..

ok? (combined everything with U+004f)

[quick flame]

how do i get u+003e

[graceful marsh]

Have you tried making Vai Syllabary yet Radu?

[untold crystal]

Vai Syllabary no. Vai Unicodes yes

But I just found something really good for the vai unicodes. It's Stupid, i know, but it works

[golden ferry]

FFA7-FFBC

[untold crystal]

The start of the block. T With Vai-unicode-vai . Ignore this T With Vai-unicode-vai and go here for a better entry point recipe #1206592567622373446 message

#1206592567622373446 message Vai-unicode-vai

[untold crystal]

1c62-1c7f

[untold crystal]

1c40-1c62

118c1-118ff

and the first element from the group

[golden ferry]

where is mbs getting its unicode characters from

because i don't think U+31fo exists

[sonic heart]

lmao what

[trim pond]

the conversion probably adds all of the values so "o" overflows I would guess

so you get like something above U+31ff, but you should check

hm.. or not, nothing looks like that character above U+31ff, so idk

[thin warren]

that is U+31f (combining plus sign below) with an o

̟o

[trim pond]

yeah that is what I was about to check : D

[golden ferry]

spooder

[golden ferry]

oh that makes sense

[trim pond]

ah yes. of course íb" is the second element xD (with soft hyphen)

😦

[chilly fulcrum]

guys im bumping this we need to work on better lineages for this - they made string.append(russian letters) and extracted them like this but i think we can do better

im getting all the .russianlowercases rn

if you guys can find a way to remove the . would be super nice

heres a start

last one makes .r (russian r)

update

remove the s apparently

[echo wasp]

lol

[sage wren]

Great recipe

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah ok wheres the recipe for those quoted - i assume theres a russian bounty

but i need to remove dot to get the letetrs

or just find another way

better than string.append anyway

welp i got one

very nice

better 0430

[trim pond]

I don't even have high hopes that this would work if there was U+00ad

[chilly fulcrum]

oh you got a space in the replace? damn you have a lot of control with it. i tried following eisern thingy for how they do it but i cant get whatever i want still

[trim pond]

do you know how to easily change prepend to append?

[chilly fulcrum]

like i cant control when letters go in

[trim pond]

like String.prepend('letter')

[echo wasp]

see if it replaces the a with u+0000

[echo wasp]

im sure its on the string.stuff sheet or sth

[trim pond]

what even is U+0000

[chilly fulcrum]

null

[echo wasp]

NULL

[chilly fulcrum]

its totally banned

100% no way you can have null

not technically confirmed but id bet on it

[trim pond]

if you combine Mr. String.append('letter') with String.append('another letter'), then usually the letter in Mr. will go before the one without Mr. (or the other way around, not sure rn)

[sage wren]

yeah whats this then... 😹😹

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah but this is replace

[echo wasp]

bro the character 😭

not literally the word null

[chilly fulcrum]

and how do you change append to prepend? i mean i usually tried to combine with string.prepend("")

worked sometimes

[echo wasp]

"string.prepend()"

[trim pond]

the thing is, it will more likely replace it with U+0000 (literally)

[echo wasp]

String.prepend()

Mr. String.prepend()

#string.prepend()

#string.prepend

these are good ways

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah - right but i dont know how to control properly with replaces expecially quote types - like i tried what eisern sent but with letters and it just straight up doesnt work even tho he said it was "same logic" to get them

[echo wasp]

.prepend also works sometimes

[trim pond]

the other way around

i need from prepend to append

[echo wasp]

oh

[echo wasp]

what r u tryna make

[chilly fulcrum]

hard to keep track of what i do and dont have in that regard

[trim pond]

actually I just realized I have the append version

[chilly fulcrum]

just doesnt qwork

like

and then some of eiserns have semicolons and some dont but apparently he controls that also

[trim pond]

this is some stuff. but I would also love to make Mr. String.append(' U+00a ') unfortunately I can't prepend Mr.

[chilly fulcrum]

so im just totally lost when it comes to replaces i didnt feel that the explanation was at all adequate

[echo wasp]

u have string.append('00ad')

?

[trim pond]

yes

but not Mr. version

[chilly fulcrum]

space U

[trim pond]

wait nvm I have mr. too. I overlooked it

[chilly fulcrum]

interesting

i forget how that is even possible

[trim pond]

btw this just replaced the hyphen with this

😦

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah the problem for you is going to be that its a single token

[echo wasp]

o no

try replacing the a with nothing

[trim pond]

doesn't work

[echo wasp]

if someone can revive "ã[shy]" that would be nice

[shy] is soft hyphen

wait shit

control????

008d...

is that the first alive element with a control char that we know of?

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah i think it is

[trim pond]

with soft hyphen

[chilly fulcrum]

actually i dont have string.[prototype.]toupper/lowercase[()]

i have touppercase() only

with no string

[echo wasp]

i also dont have tolowercase()

[chilly fulcrum]

lol

what about.prototype

[chilly fulcrum]

its not a single token

should be separable

even though not a single token (its 3) its treating it like a single char which is kinda to be expected

try using.split() on it

or maybe string.decode or encode if thats able to be made

[echo wasp]

lol

[chilly fulcrum]

or

Isolate The Control Character

[trim pond]

wait why is this not in the spreadsheet? 

btw did anyone discover this or not yet

U+008D

Cause I just made Íc

[echo wasp]

prob not

[chilly fulcrum]

no nobody has any control chars

yeah i got that with a g

[echo wasp]

gl removing that a lol

U+21a00

[chilly fulcrum]

bruhhhh

i couldnt make it

[echo wasp]

wtf

[chilly fulcrum]

okay... input tool wtf man?

i sincerely hope it has not done this other times

if it has theres tons of wrong recipe

[sage wren]

wanted to see what else you can do for it and accidentally did some nonsense lol

i dont even know what script im working with right now ..

[echo wasp]

ok what

[chilly fulcrum]

what letters is this

[sage wren]

idk i did find one unique looking letter so ill check that one site that lets you search unicode by drawing it

[chilly fulcrum]

?

damn 1d796 rough - radu or somethone would need to show me full process of trial and error with the Mr. stuff including organisation to get it for me to see lol

[golden ferry]

why is he 3d

[echo wasp]

cuz he is 3d

[chilly fulcrum]

and m isnt an fd....

[echo wasp]

im gonna do some cjk comments

[chilly fulcrum]

how will you do those?

like the elements used in the lineage are often not accessible (for me anyway)

[echo wasp]

i mean i do have a few stuff for translating

[chilly fulcrum]

proof deletes are superior

[echo wasp]

deletes and removes*

[chilly fulcrum]

eerm

remove failed

as it has the last couple times actually

but those last few times delete succeeded

[echo wasp]

oh no

[chilly fulcrum]

trust me thats the least of your worries

they provided a lineage

and the cjk they use is standard

[echo wasp]

i dont have much japanese lol

ok nvm

combining it with the wrong thing gave another word

[chilly fulcrum]

oh that was very fast

did you have those chars

[echo wasp]

luckilly i had two of them

anyways visual lineage

[chilly fulcrum]

only 450 chars till 50%

[golden ferry]

i have a feeling i have more than that not checked off

or will very soon

[echo wasp]

bruh i have like 100 cjk elements not checked off

[golden ferry]

same

[chilly fulcrum]

waiting for cjk to become relevant: day 1: day 5: day 865:

[echo wasp]

when we complete the "main" section

[chilly fulcrum]

hangul: finally, you cleared the tutorial

[echo wasp]

oh yeah

there are like 200 + comments for hangul

interesting

there are now only 20 cjk comments :))

[chilly fulcrum]

did you need to revive "hi uni"?

[golden ferry]

1F264

[echo wasp]

btw what happened to ur font

[golden ferry]

no idea

but it looks weird

[echo wasp]

ok the rest of the cjk comments are my chains

idrk if i wanna do them or not

btw what are these ones for?

[abstract marsh]

if its easy to get i'll check em within next few hour

[abstract marsh]

lineage but posted in discord

[echo wasp]

hmmmmm

U=1f79d?

[golden ferry]

oh whoops

just noticed the =

[echo wasp]

dw its fixed

lol

[golden ferry]

are there any ways of getting past the 7f barrier

[echo wasp]

what barrier?

oh wait nvm

[chilly fulcrum]

3f 7f bf ff are all natural barriers

to chains

[echo wasp]

ok so are there any wyaz

ways

[chilly fulcrum]

occasionally it just works sometimes

[golden ferry]

ok but i need it to work this time

and it doesn't

[chilly fulcrum]

idk try making something like UTF-8 increment

[echo wasp]

what r u tryna do

[chilly fulcrum]

or increment with carry idk

[graceful marsh]

Hm

I had a thought

[echo wasp]

wait I'm gonna make my name unicodes

[golden ferry]

your name is already unicode characters

[echo wasp]

Non ASCII*

[graceful marsh]

What is the shift required? Which bytes need transformation?

[echo wasp]

U+fdfd looks so small on my phone

[chilly fulcrum]

well to increment in general through a 3f 7f bf ff you need to set the last byte from bf to 80

and the 2nd last byte increment by 1

(unless it is also bf in which case you need to roll that over to 80 as well and carry)

and if you carry all the way to the first byte then theres a bit more complicated things that need to happen

[echo wasp]

done

wait

I didn't save t

[chilly fulcrum]

utf-8 just protects 00-7f as reserved ascii (if you see any 00-7f bytes in utf-8 it is unconditionally ascii) and reserves c1-f7 for the leading byte, leaving 80-bf for other bytes which means c0, and f8-ff bytes never appear anywhere in valid utf-8

[golden ferry]

🧳

[chilly fulcrum]

did you have a better lineage than radus or did you use theirs? just make sure to link it

[golden ferry]

?

[chilly fulcrum]

for next random unicode

[echo wasp]

what is going on

[golden ferry]

idk

[echo wasp]

zettaminx is now morse code

[chilly fulcrum]

some sticking points

[echo wasp]

I'm now also morse code

... - .-. .. -. --. .-.-.- .- .--. .--. . -. -.. -.--. .----. .- ... -.. .----. -.--.-
was too long :/

[golden ferry]

skill issue

[lilac maple]

I got fd on it

[graceful marsh]

W.D. Gaster lookin' ass

[echo wasp]

not again

[echo wasp]

• lineage for Anatolian Hieroglyphs / Unicode

i wont go into unassigned, so imma leave it at here

also can you add these in when ure free (sry for ping)

[graceful marsh]

On another note

Should we do a council vote for the space problem?

[sage wren]

the what

[chilly fulcrum]

what dictates the codepoints you try?