8*b*o*l*d = 10
#Unicode
stable verge
lethal nymph
ceil((a+b)/10)*10 obviously
graceful marsh
Where's the font change in that function
lethal nymph
Where's the font change in that function
it's done in the front end with css !!!
stable verge
yep
graceful marsh
No
Each font has different mathematical properties
stable verge
ok
graceful marsh
You need to define the font changes in operation
chilly fulcrum
time to use input tool
lethal nymph
do we have example of addition using whatever the font of the 20 is
chilly fulcrum
lmao 20 + 20 = 42 and its back into the bold
graceful marsh
Actually that'd be a neat thing to test
How many digit sets are there in Unicode?
chilly fulcrum
(dont forget braille)
lethal nymph
great cross compatibility will be a nightmare
chilly fulcrum
erm input tool hello? idk it had a stroke
chilly fulcrum
starting 14xx
aaand chrome crashed
so the last like 100 unicodes i got will be gone very nice
at least their recipes survive
but the elements themselves dont
chilly fulcrum
its interesting behaviour, i think maybe one or two recipes may be lost from time to time? i dont know personally but my save isnt clean anymore
but the recipes usually stay after a crash
indicating the elements just arent saved that regularly
yeah ik they can be restored - but i wont lie the fact there is different systems for elements and recipes is slightly annoying lol
i get that one is for lookup and sorting purposes
so kinda makes sense
lethal nymph
clearly ICH should reserve the first element of the recipe array for metadata, then we can replace neal's format
chilly fulcrum
why is that necessary, like why not replace it without that]
lethal nymph
no fd status
also no emoji
the only hint about elements we get from the recipes array is the names
which is enough if you don't care about the other two, but yeah it can't completely replace neal's system
chilly fulcrum
why not? like i dont see why you couldnt have {'name': 'x', 'emoji': '.', 'fd': '0', 'recipes': {recipes go here}}
lethal nymph
oh right
lethal nymph
yea you have to use Array.prototype.find
chilly fulcrum
like you cant do elements['among us'] anymore
lethal nymph
but using object will lose on the ordering of the elements
chilly fulcrum
but you could also work around that im sure
lethal nymph
so there's also that
chilly fulcrum
python dictionaries are ordered if you unpack them which is obviously not efficient
like it remembers the order
lethal nymph
clearly we can wrap this around a class and use save.getItem(<index or name>)
chilly fulcrum
hmm yeah that does make it a bit hard to avoid storing it in more than one place
lethal nymph
no?
just save it as either the array or object format, then when you want to index the save, new Save(saveData).getItem
shouldn't interfere much with performance because we don't process any data, we just wrap the method for indexing the save
chilly fulcrum
hang on i need to recheck current json format
yeah okay you couldnt index into elements anyway as it were so
by name that is
lethal nymph
current is
{
elements: Element[];
recipes: Object<ElementName, Recipe[]>
}```right and so the second one is for the purposes of being faster and the first one is for the purposes of ordering, right?
misty cargo
why does Ġ not have the unicode thing on top of it
lethal nymph
why does Ġ not have the unicode thing on top of it
probably just a normal G and combining dot above
i wonder if you can straight up replace localStorage with GM get and set item
chilly fulcrum
so how do we fix such problem of wanting to retain order
and reduce chances for desync
chilly fulcrum
i mean you could do that but retrieval is gonna be slower
lethal nymph
i wonder if you can straight up replace localStorage with GM get and set item
shouldn't result in performance degrade if you just queue the saving operations and do them in the background
chilly fulcrum
although
if you do a+b doesnt it have to technically check every recipe youve ever done as it stands anyway
lethal nymph
you also have to do that for current system anyway
chilly fulcrum
ye
although idk how objects work in that sense - in my mind you have to convert to an array
to find everything inside it
chilly fulcrum
well not strictly true you could store recipes however you pleased and get constant time lookup but youd be storing it in many places
lethal nymph
when i want to look up recipes i just flatmap the object into [a, b, result][] then find the element where a and b matches
i don't think there's a solution for looking up recipes efficiently without having to precompute stuff
actually you can just store it as Object<a, Object<b, c>>
chilly fulcrum
well you can store it as an object with the recipe as the key is that what you are saying
lethal nymph
that's the obvious solution but it's not very efficient to have an object with like 100k keys
can use a Map for better performance in this case but you can't stringify maps
lethal nymph
well you can store it as an object with the recipe as the key is that what you a...
but this mean you can't access recipes for one element easily
wrong reply
lethal nymph
actually you can just store it as `Object<a, Object<b, c>>`
supposed to be a followup to this
chilly fulcrum
ah ok
i mean maybe you could if you really built the class totally from scratch and devised an object that the hash function like uses prime number goofiness to allow this kinda lookup you could idk
lethal nymph
one immediate thing we can do is to remove the emoji field off the recipe array
because that can be accessed by querying the elements array
chilly fulcrum
wait bruh thats totally useless why is there an emoji field there
lethal nymph
i know lmao
the helper patch you're using doesn't even use it
because i query the elements array for instance creation info
chilly fulcrum
i mean you could i guess really tightly bind the two save locations
make it really difficult for a desync
like have a save_force() option or something and if you really wanted to go overkill you could have it force check the arrays to make sure they arent desynced lol
lethal nymph
just save the elements again to localStorage when saving the recipes just in case
chilly fulcrum
what is local storage actually
lethal nymph
it's used to access the per-origin Storage object of the browser
i don't know how GM saves their items but from the look of it, it's less prone to data loss
lethal nymph
greasemonkey
chilly fulcrum
i mean the data loss is much more severe on one of the databases
lethal nymph
i understood nothing from violentmonkey source because i'm too incompetent about browsers
chilly fulcrum
the data loss on the other two i havent caught yet (but i know it happens)
its just far rarer
like i must have hundreds of recipes with no elements but i only have about 10 elements with no recipes
lethal nymph
i don't think i can ever remember a recipe loss
unless like it's super memorable somehow
chilly fulcrum
i cant remember one either except i can see that at some points i did drop a few recipes
but i cannot recall an incident that links to it
i can find which file this happens in i guess - but this assumes a few things
like if recipes and elements for the same element are deleted - then theres no way to ever know you lost something
only if one is lost but not the other
save file 40 browser doesnt report any missing recipes
save file 60 is broke tho
and the recipeless list is identical to what browser says of save 80 (current)
43 is first broken save, unfortunately only half the missing elements are missing, meaning there was at least 2 isolated incidents
interesting well i guess the second break happened around save 47 or something
and half the recipeless from 43 are no longer recipeless
why? i dont know, but presumably by chance i found them again?
at least my unicode script uses recipes not elements
(i always do, i genuinely have no reason to use elements)
abstract marsh
shit mine was the same
tbh idk how much i lost, but i stiill had the mathematical operators unicode
chilly fulcrum
did it crash
abstract marsh
nope i just close the web normally and turn off pc 2 hour ago
then open it again just now
it probs cost me 20-30 element lost, not bad of a trade
chilly fulcrum
next unicode block
oh wow if it breaks like that just by closing the tab
thats bad
we should test that actually
if ti breaks then thats like an automatic forced patch isnt it
thing is you may not notice since recent elements is undisturbed
but if the combination makes the effect of new element you know its been lost
abstract marsh
yup recipe still there
abstract marsh
man we're now at the point of scared closing the tab the normal way
this went too far, where has my unicode chill grinding goes
after counting its exactly 12 element lost
89 streak unicode from cjk sheet... probs
chilly fulcrum
did your massive streak touch the 99+ hangul comment range
abstract marsh
not more than 5
chilly fulcrum
if you ever cant increment just give my cheat code a go
it now seems to not work on most ranges
but it can work sometimes still
chilly fulcrum
i think you kinda already used it in part
but basically if i am stuck at xxx7
i will try everything relating to U+0008 i have
append/prepend/normal/+/+++/++++++ or whatever
and if it doesnt work i will as a last resort add one more digit
of precision
abstract marsh
right i forgot that method, must have been so desperate for me to do that previously
chilly fulcrum
it was ~97% success before update
its how i got a massive 150 streak in 1fxxx
and i was about to apply it everywhere but then update
abstract marsh
can confirm it shoot the ~3% failure rate
abstract marsh
idea
Next Hangul
Next Hangul Block
Directly From Hangul
now imma off till next few hours
abstract marsh
hangul&cjk often do that at very funny spot...
if its at start/end, understandable
but wtf if it was in the middle of streak chain
chilly fulcrum
maybe I Hate U+115e works
usually deletes and removes actually spawn the item you want it to remove if its not present
like delete the abc + something without abc = abc
abstract marsh
yeah i hate that unicode was an attempt i did previously...
chilly fulcrum
so delete the U+115e has small chance it spawns it
no diea how to make those deletes
i dont think anyone does
we even have to settkle for #delete U+0020
abstract marsh
something cursed with prepend u+115e and merged with quotations
chilly fulcrum
well thats what savio is doing - they speak language so they know how to make it
maybe research where that character appears
abstract marsh
might be good idea... i'll try
lethal nymph
when will we get native cjk editors
actually that reminds me
i think i have some kanji fd i haven't posted
misty cargo
Ꜳ
chilly fulcrum
aa
can you send that last right ingredient
for copy paste purposes
i need to check if i have it
unfortunately not quite
if you do the recipe and copy and paste from console
it should be accurate
C + ◌ = {00c7} instead of {a732} so yeah
ok ty
can confirm i dont have that one lol - might there be a duoble grave accent any where
misty cargo
theres one in discord search
misty cargo
roger that
signal ravine
@chilly fulcrum how big of a hiccup did you have
chilly fulcrum
i didnt have one
i dont own the sheet
thats not my doing - theres literally nothing there to put
U+2072 and U+2073 do not have assigned characters
youll find most unicode codepoints (thats what the number is called) are not assigned
in fact the vast majority are not
signal ravine
where is superscript 2 and 3
chilly fulcrum
they are in U+00b2 and 00b3
they dont look the same in most fonts as the style of superscript of the others, its a bit of an oddity and i assume it will be rectified one day
chilly fulcrum
you have superscripts on your keyboard? interesting - but where they may or may not be doesnt mean anything
those are the codepoints in your message
signal ravine
oh yeah
chilly fulcrum
and yeah superscript 1 is 00b9 because 00b1 is plus or minus
signal ravine
i guess you didnt have a hiccup afterall
signal ravine
yeah
chilly fulcrum
like it wont let me
signal ravine
wait is it not assigned because you would guess that theres ² and ³ there but if there was another character it would be confusing
chilly fulcrum
its not assigned because the people at unicode said so
chilly fulcrum
theres technically absolutely nothing stopping you from using a font which displays U+2072 as superscript 2
signal ravine
true
chilly fulcrum
and neither is there anything stopping you from using a font that scrambles the mapping entirely to troll people
chilly fulcrum
yeah it is
signal ravine
like quoted versions
chilly fulcrum
its difficult but possible
theyre only 1 token each so in fact they are fine to use this way
up to a max of 20 of them
actuall no thered be no error
you could have a repeating one fine but it would cap at 20 anyway
signal ravine
so monotoken?
chilly fulcrum
yeah they are
signal ravine
chilly fulcrum
i had no troubles getting it lol
but since update it may be a bit harder for codes nobody got yet
or got in an unusual way
chilly fulcrum
why not increment 1 by 1
signal ravine
yeah right convert to unicode
rich roseBOT
chilly fulcrum
convert to unicode is a documented element in some guides
chilly fulcrum
i mean to say we have unicode guides with that element in it
the pins are horribly outdated but the guides are there with the info, we do need to update them badly though
signal ravine
im not following that
chilly fulcrum
but i can find you something rq
well thats actually not even bad compared to what they used to be
fromcharcode used to be a 500 step recipe
signal ravine
i got fromcharcode in like 5 mins with all the types
chilly fulcrum
hmm what was your recipe im curious
signal ravine
i forgor i will check
chilly fulcrum
either way you are still looking at much worse than that unless you followed the heavily optimised lineage devised over a few weeks
signal ravine
.charcode + .from + marsh
chilly fulcrum
heres the last 15
last 15 steps on glowys save file
hopefully its enough
lmao I+n = IN is so funny for how they got in
chilly fulcrum
cool
signal ravine
do you need it?
chilly fulcrum
not right now
chilly fulcrum
but making those does technically help brute force efforts
signal ravine
superscript 7 + + is superscript 8
chilly fulcrum
cool
signal ravine
chilly fulcrum
okay thats in
signal ravine
superscript 5 + superscript 4 is superscript 9
chilly fulcrum
as is 8 and +
signal ravine
i didnt try that because the lineage in the sheet it 8 + superscript + so i thought someone tried it alreade
signal ravine
oh lol
chilly fulcrum
i couldnt get it easily and superscript + came out much easier
so i just threw em together
signal ravine
whatever worked first
lethal nymph
i get nonsense in different languages all the time
most notably it LOVES giving me random sequences of mongolian letters
loud socket
need U+00B2 :x
chilly fulcrum
the superscript 2? should be in the sheet
signal ravine
need U+00B2 :x
superscript 1 + superscript 1
loud socket
thx i found it !
chilly fulcrum
Is the sheet there not adequate or did you not know about it
loud socket
I was not aware sorry :x
abstract marsh
hmm i should add more Aksara Unicode [number] later on my list :>
chilly fulcrum
also I realise why so many Aksara recipe
starts with a
so the others get trimmed off
chilly fulcrum
oh I meant for limit of 3 recipe per element
for nata trimmed file
so aksara will get put at the front
and others will get left behind
graceful marsh
I guess technically that would increase the weighting of the U+ during the attention stage due to proximity
Well actually not technically
It would
abstract marsh
who the hell stole all the fish
graceful marsh
Er
Google attention function I guess
loud socket
dont found how to do u+0259 )=
candid trellis
Don't we hate unicode (sometimes)?
graceful marsh
But essentially its the stage of prediction where the probabilities are calculated based on the current text generated
Typically there's a bias for tokens closer to the end of current text, as it is more efficient at large scales
loud socket
chilly fulcrum
Based on current text generated and inputs also right?
Or is this independent from inputs
graceful marsh
They're the same, if you're talking about the game
chilly fulcrum
well I’d hope that it doesn’t only care about what it’s written so far
If that was the case you’d get a consciousness stream
sour swallow
U+0321
chilly fulcrum
brute force missed this???
graceful marsh
Proof AI likes U+FFFD(?)
That's just a pair of censored boobs
candid trellis
U+0361 + Yunicode = ᴊᴜᴅɢᴇ
chilly fulcrum
lol
candid trellis
brb gonna go break some stuff
chilly fulcrum
that will - say what
As I was saying brute force should have caught that
but it didn’t
final sable
Younicode when?
final sable
Unikode too since llama has trouble with c’s vs k’s lol
chilly fulcrum
Idk why that cracks me up
But “you” is a very easy dead trigger
when combining you with something unusual it just says uhhh dead
final sable
that reminds me of the chemical composition of salt: sodium = fucken dead, chlorine = fucken dead, sodium + chlorine = yummy
chilly fulcrum
I mean yes you are dead because they are not together and they really would rather prefer being together so they eat you instead because that’s easier than remaining separate
final sable
that’s a very apt way of putting it xD
lethal nymph
brute force missed this???
maybe it wasn't there yet
final sable
have we brute forced all char codes for languages’ alphabets with <char code> + <language> and <char code> + <language letter> and <char code> + <language alphabet> and <char code> + <language unicode> and <char code> + <unicode language> yet?
chilly fulcrum
no for a few reasons
final sable
if not we’re missing a trick because in the examples I’m seen that gets the majority of the language’s alphabet
chilly fulcrum
yes for sure this will give a ton
abstract marsh
brute force missed this???
cuz its not in the list...
chilly fulcrum
I haven’t seen it yet
abstract marsh
theres one from cjk list using it... thats why i tried to grind
chilly fulcrum
Oh okay
the reason we haven’t done the language thing is 1. We don’t have the codepoints
- We for better or worse tend to focus on one area at a time
- We don’t have the languages
final sable
codepoints are ezpz so I think that’s the least thing holding us back imo
final sable
as for 3. I think we have a lot of <language unicode>s and <unicode language>s right?
chilly fulcrum
of which we have maybe 10 or 20k if we are generous
final sable
as for 3. I think we have a lot of <language unicode>s and <unicode language>s r...
idk if we’re anywhere close to all languages tho, probably not
chilly fulcrum
it’s a long term thing
Definitely it will be done
but we have to take it one section at a time
final sable
150k char codes, presumably a lot fewer are char codes for alphabet letters
chilly fulcrum
I’m not sure honestly it depends how you count it
but it’s sad that codepoints aren’t easy anymore
final sable
well let’s say every language has about 20 letters, so 40 symbols for lower and upper case
you know what I’ll just ask ChatGPT lol
chilly fulcrum
I just can’t think of 100k characters that aren’t letters
or aren’t something similar
abstract marsh
since languages tend getting embraced by aksara unicode [number]
i just gonna try those first before other tool 🗿
chilly fulcrum
I guess cjk is most of that
abstract marsh
cjk & hangul is like : nuh i only allow some
chilly fulcrum
Another annoying thing is that the languages we have done are the more reliable ones
The ones we haven’t done are going to have an unfortunately low hitrate
graceful marsh
In other words, languages in the training data
chilly fulcrum
the ai will kinda just say uhh idk what this is
final sable
chatgpt says about 10k
graceful marsh
Depends how you count letter
Most of Unicode is CJK characters
final sable
but it’s sad that codepoints aren’t easy anymore
update poopy, fuck the update all my homies hate the update
abstract marsh
The ones we haven’t done are going to have an unfortunately low hitrate
well, for example dogra unicode codeblock had be avoiding us for 2+month or even more if other is trying before i started....
then all of sudden it just "ok letme join the fun"
chilly fulcrum
another thing is that ai uses utf-8
if it used utf-32 I have a feeling it would be far more reliable
but I can’t prove this
final sable
you know, I wonder if there is even a single person in this server who likes the IC update 😂
graceful marsh
Make your own llama with different character tokens
final sable
Make your own llama with different character tokens
I do sometimes imagine what this game would be like with a different LLM lol
chilly fulcrum
utf-32 the ai would have to think much less in order to convert to Unicode
abstract marsh
i havent read your casefile for weeks...
i have forgotten most of it
chilly fulcrum
instead of needing to generate 3 or 4 correct tokens in a row it’s just a direct number
final sable
I do sometimes imagine what this game would be like with a different LLM lol
like whether there’s an LLM which would be “best” for these combine-two-things-into-one queries
chilly fulcrum
how would you measure it
graceful marsh
i havent read your casefile for weeks...
i have forgotten most of it
I haven't updated it in weeks
final sable
how would you measure it
hence the quotes XD
graceful marsh
Write a custom one with human feedback
That would beat all general purpose given enough time
final sable
how would you measure it
but I suppose, whichever needs the shortest prompt—from what we know IC’s llama2 prompt is quite long
chilly fulcrum
general purpose isn’t really the way to go for this yeah
When was the last time you saw ai winning at some insanely hard game that was general purpose
final sable
Write a custom one with human feedback
I ain’t paying for server costs if it becomes popular—that’s Neals curse to bear XD
graceful marsh
You wouldn't be running it
Sell it to Neal to implement
final sable
When was the last time you saw ai winning at some insanely hard game that was ge...
idk give it like 3 years and there’ll probably be one 😭
there’s going to be AI doing actual mathematics very soon
capable of fully automated theorem proving
mathematicians are terrified
loud socket
chilly fulcrum
Well yeah but not general purpose
abstract marsh
gl with 5 codepoint
chilly fulcrum
general purpose is like the human mind at this stage of processing power
final sable
but
chilly fulcrum
it will screw up the same as we do
final sable
when I say “mathematics” I might as well say “logic”
because the line between math and logic is very thin
so logic AIs will in theory be able to do anything that can be described exactly, as long as it’s “simple” enough (admits a short enough description)
I personally think AI is gonna take out a ton of centuries-standing conjectures in math 😬
final sable
it will screw up the same as we do
youre forgetting one very important thing
AI’s haven’t evolved cognitive biases through natural selection
so an AI “brain” is a completely different kettle of fish to the human brain
chilly fulcrum
I mean the biases they do have we put there lol
final sable
in some respects the human brain has evolved to be illogical in some respects
final sable
I mean the biases they do have we put there lol
those are statistical biases not cognitive biases tho
cognitive biases are literally: I’m gonna compromise logical correctness for speed/efficiency
chilly fulcrum
funnily enough ai right now even falls for some of the same optical illusions we do
even though it can literally check the pixels
it still falls for it lol
chilly fulcrum
the problem that has to be solved is how you force it to take a branch every time with no chance of failure
I’m sure there’s a completely different ai theoretical model in of itself that could do this
final sable
wdym by branch?
chilly fulcrum
But it’s not something I’ve seen
final sable
algorithms just take all branches at once
chilly fulcrum
Like the same way a computer when presented with 5 > 4 will respond true 100% of the time
final sable
that’s not even an AI thing
oh that’s easy
the laws of logical correctness are completely cut and dried
it’s just checking the syntax follows the rules
we already have that in fact
chilly fulcrum
I mean the point of ai is that it doesn’t work like that so I’d be very curious to see that working
final sable
well what they’re doing at the moment,
chilly fulcrum
like an ai never actually checks if 5 > 4
final sable
is combining AIs, which are “creative”, with proof-checkers, which are “law-abiding”
so the checker keeps the AI in check
chilly fulcrum
Yeah
That’s what I was thinking
You’d have to have some observer
To make sure that hey wait a minute
you just violated this
final sable
yup, it’s already been done and is in the process of being improved :D
raven beacon
i got this long time ago
chilly fulcrum
because otherwise you’d always run the risk of a wrong turn - since the ai never actually checks if 5 > 4 (at least not any theoretical models I know of) - you really can’t guarantee it will make the right call
final sable
because otherwise you’d always run the risk of a wrong turn - since the ai never...
exactly
chilly fulcrum
You’d need a proofreader
final sable
like I say, it’s already been implemented
chilly fulcrum
that actually fact checks it
final sable
yes, and we have one xD
not for general ChatGPT ofc—people aren’t interested in that and also it wouldn’t work at this stage
but for stuff that can be reasoned about precisely, we have checkers to make sure the AI reasons correctly
loud socket
final sable
fallacy-, cognitive-bias-, and hallucination-free AI you could call it I guess
graceful marsh
Oh by the way Rubiks have you read through the new additions for Unicode 16?
Some banger stuff
We're getting Go-karts
final sable
unicode should never have expanded to 5 hex digits and I will die on this hill 🗿
graceful marsh
New Symbols For Legacy Computing
final sable
they should get rid of unicode chars that literally nobody uses if they want to add new ones 🗿
final sable
Unicode is already at 6
WHAT
chilly fulcrum
and it was originally 8
final sable
HOW
chilly fulcrum
private use area 100000 - 10ffff
final sable
WHY do they need between 17 and 256 times as many codepoints as they used to have 😭
graceful marsh
The whole point of inclusion is that somebody asked for them to be there to use them
chilly fulcrum
and in fact 60000000-7fffffff also used to be private use area
Yes that is 8 digits
final sable
well that’s dumb
chilly fulcrum
well I suppose the idea was to have more than you could ever need
but they decided nah we will officially introduce a cap at 10ffff
final sable
could have just capped it at fffff then wtf
chilly fulcrum
which leaves an input space of 20.5 bits
final sable
I will be writing a strongly-worded letter to the manager of unicode
chilly fulcrum
or maybe it’s 21
but yeah utf-32 now has, by official docs, the leading 11 bits must unconditionally be 0
final sable
💀
chilly fulcrum
so every character now is forced to have 11 bits of 0 lol
which is one reason utf-32 isn’t common
it’s most common for applications requiring extreme speed
constant time to figure out what the nth character of a string is
that’s it’s sole advantage
sonic heart
č (U+010D) thank god "Čas" wasn't dead
chilly fulcrum
Kinda funny to think that going to the 100th character of a string requires you to figure out where each character starts and ends lol
graceful marsh
constant time to figure out what the nth character of a string is
Even that isn't really true
Because of modifiers and combining characters
UTF-32 no longer offers any benefit
Excepting certain... esoteric cases
chilly fulcrum
I’m not sure I understand that but I did read that
so what if they are modified
Who asked
they are 2 separate characters
abstract marsh
Unicode is already at 6
the hell
chilly fulcrum
yeah I know right
I was surprised already at e00xx for tags
by then they went why not? why not barely creep over into 6 digits for no reason
and then introduce a hard limit barely above 100000 relatively speaking
It’s like saying okay guys we are making 3 digit numbers today
But you have a limit of 110
chilly fulcrum
if you play a lot you can fool it but they made it harder
remember Dan mode?
the prompt to let it do whatever
chilly fulcrum
In the early days you could send it a prompt and it would un censor itself
like you’d get “honest” answers
final sable
to be real, I am very concerned with some people’s use of AI 😂
obviously people are always gonna use it for p0rn, but people also use it as a substitute for human social interaction and I think that’s gonna cause some real problems
graceful marsh
"gonna"?
final sable
“always gonna”
graceful marsh
"already has"
final sable
“and will continue to”
graceful marsh
"this is a fun way to speak"
chilly fulcrum
Neal: the “ is not necessary
final sable
Delete First Word 😈
graceful marsh
"is a fun way to speak"
final sable
:o
graceful marsh
Oh wait no it should be dead
final sable
bloop
if we could get Neal to add an exemption to the casing rule for one letter elements (which includes three character elements with the outer characters being quotes) I’d be so happy
but doesn’t seem likely so it’ll just have to be mbs :(
candid trellis
if we could get Neal to add an exemption to the casing rule for one letter eleme...
We can't even get him to fix the validation endpoint
chilly fulcrum
Casing rule exceptions do exist if you abuse ligatures but they are limited in scope
But I got FD on FFFish with one so can’t complain
only known way to feed different caps to so
Ai
Ezzett = SS
SS = Ss
sonic heart
ď (U+010F)
sonic heart
đ (U+0111)
sonic heart
Ē (U+0112)
lethal nymph
đ (U+0111)
no way that's my fd
untold crystal
This recipe is wrong. Anyone has another one? ɸ
chilly fulcrum
oh wow that recipe uses a character not in the sheet lmao
@lethal nymph did you have any recipes come up for 0278?
lethal nymph
at least 10 hours until i get home
chilly fulcrum
okay
lethal nymph
if it's not in the file then probably not though
chilly fulcrum
well 0278 is "found"
but with a recipe that we have no way of following
so it wont be there anyway
since its marked as obtained
lethal nymph
oh
wooden maple
Big Text
chilly fulcrum
indeed that text is big
wooden maple
Prepend U+005c Optimized
"5" + "c" = "5c"
"3prepend U+00" + "5c" = "3prepend U+005c"
"the prepend" + U+0020 = "the prepend "
"the prepend " + "3prepend U+005c" = "the Prepend U+005c"
"the prepend U+005c" + Remove The The = Prepend U+005c
chilly fulcrum
okay
chilly fulcrum
taking 16xx
17xx only has one missing
just noticed
and now it has 0
damn
op strat?
rows 4927 - 5179 inclusive all are ticked
thats 253 in a row
lethal nymph
radu strat lol
lethal nymph
yea i'm surprised it just kinda did that
chilly fulcrum
i wonder how well this works in general
ill be sure to try it when i get up to 22xx
im on 18xx rn and i know that 1dxx-1fxx will take ages
since theres so many characters there that show up randomly theres no doubt your list has an abundance of them
we have barely made a dent in the list lol
tepid blaze
now it make me wonder if it work with combining character....
chilly fulcrum
streak extended
now reaches row 5213
287 streak
2nd longest known i think
after that hangul one
and then it fades into oblivion
not much chance of extension
like its a 70 streak of unfound
chilly fulcrum
okay all up to 1a00 done
abstract marsh
added some for thai unicode
now its 8 left
simplified thai digits's recipe
chilly fulcrum
17xx is finished, so it might be the first completed* range
if you exclude anassigned
abstract marsh
nata u mind running
Lepcha Unicode on list of U+xxxx thats alive u recorded?
it probs will give alotta new unicodes...
not alot though but the amount would be nice to know too
graceful marsh
Bowling ball ass emoji
chilly fulcrum
true
didnt work for 22ff though
but some other randmo thing did.... odd
2239 resists though
even with radu op mr. strat
abstract marsh
{2239} : low catch chance rate
*pikachu references
chilly fulcrum
damn i got it
not fd
WHO H * wait a second dont want to get banned - who here hiding this information ><
abstract marsh
same thing happened with few dogra unicode when i got it as well
chilly fulcrum
2225 next on the hit list
only missing 06 08 14 18 23 25 now
i wonder if we can describe what the character looks like
i mean if it doesnt know then obviously this wont help
chilly fulcrum
yeah not parallel to
thats what it does though
actually i couldnt make Mr. Parallel to back in the day
i tried Mr. Parallel + Mr. To and it didnt work and i went ok then
ah yeah
and Mr. Parallel + "to" = Mr. Perpendicular (FD)
i remember that one
lmao Mr. T Parallel
may need some help with that one
sour swallow
@chilly fulcrum U+2225 (∠ + Prepend Mr. = Mr. ∠)
chilly fulcrum
mr 2220 lol
i guess hi mr works
interesting to try that mr tho lol
okay well whats your route for mr 2220 - i have one too but it uses Mr. _ which my route for sucks
also works
abstract marsh
parallel very interesting
chilly fulcrum
as does this
2223 next
why is divides (the word) unnaturally hard
lol
made Evenly Divides, no help rn
sadly
sour swallow
chilly fulcrum
whats yourbest Mr. _
lethal nymph
mister + underscore
chilly fulcrum
nice
sour swallow
#1226511876733669436 message
graceful marsh
What was the intent there?
chilly fulcrum
vertical bar
graceful marsh
Well then
chilly fulcrum
it tried
somehow vertical barn + variants of | just equals barn
like it doesnt catch on
graceful marsh
Probably an ending problem actually
It does generate Bar but the addition of Farm gives it a push in the wrong direction
chilly fulcrum
yea i know thats why its barn
graceful marsh
Doesn't know when to newline
chilly fulcrum
but then from barn i am clueless as to why it doesnt understand
like why is barn so important now
graceful marsh
How does it tokenise?
chilly fulcrum
not my fault only vertical element on browser is vertial farm
bruh the n is an extra token even
graceful marsh
Weird
untold crystal
I have copyrights on this strat. It works quite well, as I managed to get some elusive unicodes with it. But it's still not perfect.
dusky lynx
does anyone have a list of best items to turn u+ elements into their unicodes
abstract marsh
even with 300-500 tools, you still have chance to not get it :>
so gl
abstract marsh
oh apostrophe
dusky lynx
yea
ill send lineage in awwm and see if anyone can do it cus The Mr. u+0027 + convert from unicode made the mr. '
untold crystal
And has anyone an idea to get the 02d0 element? Or has a little bit of time to test their tools? (Mr, mrs, dr strat doesn't work)
abstract marsh
ah the classic throw everthing..
untold crystal
Yea. I also tried with all I had. But this stupid thing won't show itself.
And you would expect that half colon + half colon (u+02d1) = colon (02d0) but noooo, it gives 2 half colons
abstract marsh
invent new tools :>
imma try if i could complete 33xx just from old recipe
it fking gave me full width capital U
abstract marsh
imma swap the recipe for u+3388
from
Mathematical Fraktur Unicode + U+338 = ㎈ yeah imma put it as alt recipe
to
㎇ + ㎆ = ㎈
chilly fulcrum
mathematical fraktur lol
I mean don’t be surprised there’s characters that have evaded us for months and months
and it’s not for lack of trying
chilly fulcrum
maybe try using umlaut u
you never know
I’ve also tried writing out the bytes in utf-8 lol
not effective
abstract marsh
found it i gonna need to post the lineage for this one...
chilly fulcrum
I should try I hate Strats on 2223
abstract marsh
㏀
U+33c0
chilly fulcrum
Kilo ohms
graceful marsh
What's the fastest way to U+02d0?
My $ nonsense has some... interesting Unicode properties
chilly fulcrum
lol
idk
glowy probably knows
Wait
do you think the reason things like Amazon + River is nothing is because it’s triggering the same thing that triggers when the ai decides it’s finished generating
Like the sentence is already complete
no need to generate further
abstract marsh
i got 192 step for u+02d0... not optimized though, just random throw
chilly fulcrum
Mine will be many hundreds
graceful marsh
Potentially?
It's early enough that perhaps refinement of the prompt wasn't yet good enough
chilly fulcrum
lol what
graceful marsh
I'm getting the documentation open again (hit enter too early but also I realised I might be wrong)
Actually yeah
Assuming it's using <s> only instead of [INST], it has the chance of just deciding "yep, I'm done" whenever
And there's no reason to assume [INST], since it's one-way
...
Hold on
Could Neal have... changed the structure of the prompt?
From Instruction to Complete, or VV
Ah okay no that would've required restructuring half the game
Phew
neat haven
it fking gave me full width capital U
full width unicode codepoints when
abstract marsh
192 streaks from cjk sheet now :>
224 now :>
graceful marsh
Change prompt isn't a problem, changing structure would be
Well actually not quite I'm misreading the model card
I guess its feasible
abstract marsh
㏠
U+33E0
chilly fulcrum
lmao 1ab2 combining infinity
ah yes lets make characters with the infinity symbol inserted
lethal nymph
<@696698254770831421> did you have any recipes come up for 0278?
no
chilly fulcrum
unfortunate
may have to asterisk that recipe
it uses U+0315
i mean we can do an api check
and verify it works - but like thats not the only criteria
to be on the sheet
abstract marsh
lol...
lethal nymph
happns
abstract marsh
not my brainass thought i got U+3420 twice
304 streak unicode from cjk sheet
ah yes 33xx is done now i guess...
i see
fk i remembered i was doing nata's cjk list
gotta finish those first
how the hell does one even get
Mr. “from.ch”
oh nvm it was from my save file
chilly fulcrum
I mean how does one get [[][++][] or whatever you’ve got nowadays lol - I guess it’s all just random goofiness now that you kinda just guide in a certain direction
abstract marsh
i guess Mr. Mrs. Baby Ms. Mr Mrs gave alot potential to give small amount of new unicodes... i dont wanna think about how bad the lineage for each will be :>
to + prepend hashtag = #to
#to + string = tostring
#to + tostring = #toString
2nd + Understand = Second Understanding
interesting stuff
chilly fulcrum
you up to that bit now
abstract marsh
it want what...
abstract marsh
you up to that bit now
yeah cjk & hangul done i guess...
chilly fulcrum
Awesome
I was putting links to stuff but imo for simpler ones I should have put just a line or two of recipe text because link with 500 step can be scary
abstract marsh
well... mine was mostly 100-300 step
still trying to minimize damage
except the tool converter...
ah yes unicode lepcha throwing me to 5 digit codepoint again
abstract marsh
weird i cant seem to get 32f0...
untold crystal
finally. Should I post a lineage even if it's a long one?
Element ː (U+02D0) and Element ꞉ (U+A789) I won't post the recipe for Triangular Colon as I'm sure if you need this element, you are able to make it yourself
misty cargo
◌̓ + Latin Extended-A = ꙑ
https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j0ksqaqtr8agrxga7jhw1zeb
Ě E with caron
golden ferry
how do i figure out what element this is
sour swallow
It's prob a few of these mixed together if it's not showing up with the u+ above
you have mbs right
golden ferry
It's prob a few of these mixed together if it's not showing up with the u+ above
is there a way to copy the element text?
golden ferry
then put in unicode thing radus sent
where?
sour swallow
sand coral
May be useful
chilly fulcrum
use a different Unicode analyser lol I don’t like that one
rich roseBOT
chilly fulcrum
Lmao ancient lineage
primal maple
?
i have some alive over 7 digit numbers
chilly fulcrum
its hard coded to be dead - unless there is prior recipe or he released that restriction
primal maple
its hard coded to be dead - unless there is prior recipe or he released that res...
oh you know what
its prob the decimal point keeping it alive
hold on
chilly fulcrum
well yes
chilly fulcrum
it needs to literally match the criteria a string of numbers >= 7 digits
yours dont match this
they are not dead
you got those up way higher than ive been able to though lol
primal maple
cool
i also have these whose decimals dont actually have any value
so theyre basically that number but alive
chilly fulcrum
Looks like a 1 with whatever that combining character is
neat haven
1 with half ring or smth
signal ravine
1 with half ring or smth
yep
abstract marsh
cheese yum
abstract marsh
i guess you ate 1
untold crystal
did anyone manage to get the caron ˇ 02C7 ? anywhere, in an element
untold crystal
what about ˈ 02C8 I managed to get this but whenever I try to get any in quotation marks it gets rid of it
lethal nymph
also nothing
untold crystal
😦
spice lark
hate to suggest it but you could try getting it in a string.append and adding it to quotes that way
lethal nymph
we do not have it yet
spice lark
ah i see
untold crystal
I'm sure you will someday find an easier recipe but I wanted to show you a normal "radu recipe" Element 02C8 ˈ MODIFIER LETTER VERTICAL LINE
Ps: I'm doing all this shit for the ͡ sign, I had an idea that involved both this and the ː but it doesn't word
sour swallow
Holy ||shit|| Radu you're really putting in your all for this bounty
untold crystal
At this point it's no longer about the bounty. As I'm sure asd won't spend an hour making all these things for that element. It's just something I wanna do.
sour swallow
🫡 Respect🫡
sage wren
inspiring quotes from thunder
spice lark
ty
chilly fulcrum
yeah I mean that’s unfortunately unfollowable but thanks for the effort lol at least we got it
abstract marsh
oh well... that is interesting
chilly fulcrum
lol
graceful marsh
Its escaping
chilly fulcrum
doing 1dxx now
1e and 1fxx will be hell
they will all be random
so i will be like making ib links for all of them
and every tool will be different
no chains cause casing
abstract marsh
Its escaping
it shows normal like others on the field, but when in the element list, its like that
chilly fulcrum
some elements on the field also leak out
graceful marsh
Music symbols also like leaving sometimes
chilly fulcrum
glowy where are you up to in nata list
abstract marsh
havent started it, atleast cjk & hangul was done from the list
chilly fulcrum
well you were in fexx range no?
abstract marsh
oh that, i was reading from comment
abstract marsh
pee
wooden maple
Anybody lineage for U+03A3
chilly fulcrum
yeah sure its on sheet
C + Delta + Sum
among many other things
is that good @wooden maple
chilly fulcrum
we still have over 2k lines left to go in nata file 💀
i havent chained too much tbh ynw ill run the unicode analyser on my file rn
4564 unicode, 615 fd
fairly healthy amount, although most of that is now from verification
id say about 2k is of my own doing
abstract marsh
4384 unicode, 1086 FD
oh well
chilly fulcrum
more than me for fd
i got a couple short chains
no long ones tho
mainly cause smoething slightly up with input tool
but input tool lets you put in a 100 unicode chain in all at once
abstract marsh
more than me for fd
yeah, im forcing chain unicode to exist
chilly fulcrum
yeah i do kinda want to but then progress through file is so slow
abstract marsh
i was doing that while doing the file cjk&hangul
chilly fulcrum
ok
chilly fulcrum
so what ranges specifically was done, i can delete from my local copy
abstract marsh
304 streak unicode from cjk sheet
ah yes 33xx is done now i guess...
specific range eh
i guess this
lethal nymph
Slander + 漢字 = 謗 (CJK Unified Ideograph-8B17)
damn i'm actually struggling finding the ones for the bounty
might have to get the nearby ones first
chilly fulcrum
what bounty is this
lethal nymph
the chinese ones
but i'm using japanese to get them because some of them are kanjis 😭
chilly fulcrum
ok well i did get radus save so i probably should comb through for those unicodes lol - and ill see if i can get more reasonable lineages
lethal nymph
i disabled
chilly fulcrum
but for the bottom one its on
lethal nymph
i only enable the tooltip when necessary
i never get how people stand playing with them on all the time
lethal nymph
honestly not too bad of a lineage except those Remove Last Character
lethal nymph
real
chilly fulcrum
it was like M + apostrophe + Apostrophe
lethal nymph
also accidentally made these
chilly fulcrum
dementia?????
(also fail #2)
lol idk
okay maybe i did have it
maybe i searched wrong
untold crystal
ok well i did get radus save so i probably should comb through for those unicode...
I can assure you that I don't have any chinese characters, (or only a few). I never went on that path
lethal nymph
阿里山 on browser
tbh only 的 is kinda hard
because it's a suffix so it's hard to separate
but now i have to get 伤 and it isn't a kanji
abstract marsh
we still have over 2k lines left to go in nata file 💀
alright imma checks the 5 codepoints part
abstract marsh
we still have over 2k lines left to go in nata file 💀
doing the 5 codepoint part from the list now
chilly fulcrum
Radu mind explaining the theory behind that long lineage for that Unicode you got? I don’t see the connections lol (also what are those letters being used)
chilly fulcrum
where 漢字
echo wasp
how to get ".
lethal nymph
#1214815916957761586 message
chilly fulcrum
i think maybe cjk needs more references in the lineages...
ctrl + f only works if its actually somewhere else...
if its just yeah heres a sentence in chinese
bruh
like "gold + 漢字"
that one is used a lot
at least its bot
anyway okay bacc to codez
abstract marsh
hmm so... Deseret Capital Letter ow ( U+1040D ) is found and is dead
while Deseret Small Letter ow ( U+10435 ) is not found
very interesting stuff going on
chilly fulcrum
interesting
abstract marsh
was wondering why the hell it doesnt have new found sfx, turn out it was something i had all along...
abstract marsh
this codeblock behave the opposite of what i used to know
it kept sending me from capital letter to small letter when combining capital letter with something
good problem
now imma leave asap from this codeblock once im done
chilly fulcrum
not even halfway through 1exx
echo wasp
U+8981 here
chilly fulcrum
how did you guys do U+028x
looks like i wasnt gotten till update
so i cant increment
...
apparently the answer is it wasnt
abstract marsh
im confused with u+03dc as well what the heck did they combine it with
chilly fulcrum
for which one
abstract marsh
OLD HUNGARIAN CAPITAL LETTER OO 10c9c 𐲜
U+03dc Mongolian Unicode 11