Pacifist Rework

[fringe jasper]

I am aware that Pacifist is brand new and the BTOS team is monitoring it. However I am also aware they are trying to find a way to make it more balanced and here is how:

(Paste generic town attributes here).

Self Reflection - Same as before HOWEVER while it is active the pacifist becomes control and roleblock immune.

Rally - Every day when nobody dies by being hung gain a charge of rally. When you have four charges of Rally the next day becomes a Protest.

Protest - Same as before. However, everyone can vote and everyone is notified of a rally and all votes are anonymous and all day abilities are disabled.

[marsh kite]

can townies vote too in protest??

[restive current]

what is the point of rally charges

is it just another way of activating it?

lol

[worthy umbra]

if 4 days pass and no one gets hung, town has lost

in fact chances are they will already have lost by Day 6

[solar dew]

Yeah, not hanging for 4 days is a loss in 90% of games

Your essentially banking that pacifist will not die from d2 to d6

And if pacifist does die, your fucked

[marsh kite]

"Paci here, tp on me and dont lynch till d4"

[solar dew]

And if rit/conj exists, you lose

[marsh kite]

which means if ck is dead /not confirmed you just win

[worthy umbra]

well no

[solar dew]

If ck is dead they would have to die to tk/jailor since you can't hang

[worthy umbra]

if all the town is dead the coven will just lynch you

[marsh kite]

coven wont reach maj by d4

[worthy umbra]

it's not d4 though?

[solar dew]

Its not d4

[marsh kite]

or d5

[worthy umbra]

assuming d1 does not count for a charge

d2, d3, d4 and d5 would have to pass

to get 4

[marsh kite]

so d6?

[solar dew]

Yes

[worthy umbra]

yes

[solar dew]

And you can't hang

[marsh kite]

even sc isnt that slow

[worthy umbra]

oh yeah if it's an apoc game you have to hang

otherwise you die to a horseman

or two

or three

[solar dew]

So getting cov numbers down is very inconsistent and list dependant

[marsh kite]

towns basically lost d6 if they didnt hang

[worthy umbra]

point being

[solar dew]

Yeah, thats why this is bad

[worthy umbra]

this will never activate a protest

and if you try, you will just lose

unless, and only unless town has lots of night killpower

[marsh kite]

make it so if you hang a non town member

[solar dew]

And since it takes 4 non hanging days, it's not like you can even use paci as a last resort

[worthy umbra]

but also if you make it to d6 and cov hasn't already won, chances are town has already won anyway

[solar dew]

It has to be a "ok its d2, were going for pacifist win"

[marsh kite]

if coven kills 1 person every day and no lynches

by d6 it would be a 5v5

but there would need to be 4 tps

[worthy umbra]

yeah cov can easily just kill the tps

[solar dew]

Yeah tps and tks need to pop tf off for paci to even have a chance

[worthy umbra]

since unless NP claims TP, they know how many tps town has

and as a tk, are you gonna risk shooting a tp claim just in case they are real?

[marsh kite]

also no lynches makes a game dull and boring

[solar dew]

And if your te isnt jailor they are literally useless

This is why I dont like alt wincons

They are 100x harder to balance then regular wincons

[gaunt berry]

1. self reflection is a passive ability, it is always active once u choose a role. so this would make them perma control immune lmao
2. if everyone can vote in a protest, then evils have no way to counterplay whenever town has hard majority since town will outvote them so that makes it overpowered

so this idea does not work at all

current protest works evils have to scumread the paciifst which is doable in lategame where the ability is supposed to trigger