I'm talking about what we've seen in btos2
#Vampire (Neutral Special) - Unique
torpid willow
sturdy harbor
its close to the same environment, the only thing being different i can see is Arso being the nk, and arso is kinda very slow
torpid willow
We will see how limited converts plays out, it will be harder to catch and kill vampires in this mode
Vamps as a team get a hefty buff, in exchange they cannot convert the entire lobby
sturdy harbor
if limitless converts lead to stalling to get everyone a win, especially in cult games.
I think I would have saw many, quite often..
boreal pumice
Most necessary ping
sturdy harbor
there is nothing I want to more then seeing thrones of lies being revived. just saying
boreal pumice
I think I would have saw many, quite often..
Then I doubt you have much experience with tos vamps
sturdy harbor
I played countless cult games.
Stalling the game, is not something I saw in thrones of lies.
boreal pumice
This isn’t throne of lies tho 🙃
torpid willow
I think I would have saw many, quite often..
Yes but again, we are talking about btos2 not tol
boreal pumice
And it’s very common in tos so this is a smart change
torpid willow
This is what we have seen first hand in tos2, that is what makes this change necessary
sturdy harbor
i fail to see the big difference between roles list and the fact tos 2 i played with 15 players. I find this much weaker then any tol faction.
boreal pumice
I think you fail to understand concepts do not directly translate between different SDGs no matter how similar they appear on the surface
torpid willow
We have explained multiple times what is exactly happening with conversion mechanics in TOS2, and why limiting conversions will fix stalling
And we have also said that dracs games frequently go to day 10+, not day 5-6
it actually has fast mode enabled because of how long it can take
boreal pumice
Dracs games are infamously slow and stally
torpid willow
Infinite conversions leads to stalling, this removes that
boreal pumice
Also infinite conversions in general with a game like tos
sturdy harbor
I would really prefer to see another mod of TOS 2, then to integrate some tol roles to Btos 2...
torpid willow
read the bottom point here
boreal pumice
I would really prefer to see another mod of TOS 2, then to integrate some tol ro...
You’re free to leave
Nobody is making you stay here
torpid willow
I would really prefer to see another mod of TOS 2, then to integrate some tol ro...
BTOS2 has already integrated some TOL roles
I do not think you are aware of how BTOS2 works, aside from reading over some of the mechanics
Inquis go brrr
sturdy harbor
really not the same. I simply find this strange, because i never saw peoples stalling tol games, just be converted into a winning faction, and there is nothing that prevent anymore, we do not have any moderations at all, anymore. Roles that are bugged and known to crash the game, still do crash it, no one even fix the game anymore. We have a revival server that organise games on week-end and that's it.
inquis is really not the same. its much weaker here (their heretic can have def and their attack can be healed/barriered.)
torpid willow
Inquisitor is not a weak role in practice
You aren't supposed to just kill off all your heretics yourself, you just need them to die
You should be trying to get heretics that you cannot kill lynched, you know the roles of heretics at the start of the game so you can build a fake claim around that
Roles that have mechanically changed from TOL because they do not directly translate into BTOS2
Starspawn is another role thats like a TOL role
sturdy harbor
I noted
torpid willow
My point with Inquisitor, is just because something worked a way in TOL does not mean it works that way in BTOS2. Mechanics are shared across both games, but they play out very differently in practice
sometimes a TOL based mechanic may have ended up too strong and needed buffed, sometimes it gets nerfed
sturdy harbor
Feel much weaker to me (although I note jailor is not conversion immune)
torpid willow
And with that point, in TOS2 it is incredibly common for games to stall out because people are trying to get converted for the win as soon as they feel they are losing to the vamps, leading to a slow burn. Limited conversions while buffing the vampire team aswell (Making it WAY more interesting to play) is a positive direction
I mean shit in practice, we may find out stuff like 4 vamps on a team is too much, or only 3 converts is too little. We do not know for sure, but this is in a good spot for being tested out
covert sable
"Guys wait let me in" has always been incredibly lame.
sturdy harbor
And with that point, in TOS2 it is incredibly common for games to stall out beca...
that's a lame practice and game strategy. Which should be denied as often as possible.
vast oracle
Feel much weaker to me (although I note jailor is not conversion immune)
Gonna say, conversion is never a weak ability, It basically kills a town and adds a new team member
torpid willow
that's a lame practice and game strategy. Which should be denied as often as...
Correct, it is a lame practice and strategy. That is why we are changing the role so it doesn't exist anymore
ding ding
sturdy harbor
Gonna say, conversion is **never** a weak ability, It basically kills a town and...
only speaking based on my history on thrones of lies. (then again, we don't see peoples stalling the games to get converted.
covert sable
Whether you like this or not, this will be the best vampires have ever been. We shouldn't be against positive change because it's not exactly what you may have hoped for, you know?
torpid willow
@sturdy harbor how much have you actually played BTOS2
You have been exclusively talking from a TOL perspective, giving me the impression you havent really touched the mod
sturdy harbor
I did not count, but if you talk about Dracula's domain, very few
I touched the mod
and my few experience in dracula's domain has like always seen the vampires getting decimated.
covert sable
Well, I think when you get around to playing this change in DD2, you'll understand why this is good.
torpid willow
Which is why we are reworking the role
sturdy harbor
vampires win, that's something I only saw once. and it was 4 month ago.
dracula domain got another change ?
torpid willow
I agree with you, that is why we are reworking the role into something else 🗿
covert sable
dracula domain got another change ?
The vampire rework will be that change.
boreal pumice
Giving vamps such a huge buff without any form of drawback would be a very bad idea
covert sable
And possibly inspire a few more adjustments
boreal pumice
The fact converts keep their roles now is a massive buff
sturdy harbor
won't last long if the vampire get found.
boreal pumice
won't last long if the vampire get found.
Woah that’s kind of how every faction works that’s crazy 🤯
sturdy harbor
I mean, about the convert with their original role. you won't be able to claim tracker for long...
ww already has this problem. it can claim tracker for 1 night
boreal pumice
You can fake tracker what
sturdy harbor
but after n2.... try faking tracker .
covert sable
The fact converts keep their roles now is a massive buff
That's why I said DD2. I think Dracs will be reworked since Vampire is completely different.
boreal pumice
but after n2.... try faking tracker .
covert sable
but after n2.... try faking tracker .
Sure, do you want fries with that?
(It's incredibly easy to do, you're still a tracker, just a bitten tracker)
sturdy harbor
It's always obvious when a ww tries to fake tracker...
vast oracle
but after n2.... try faking tracker .
I once faked tracker with the intention of getting caught, as jest ofc, nobody suspected me/thought I was jest until a witch controlled me
sturdy harbor
Sure, do you want fries with that?
(It's incredibly easy to do, you're still a...
except you got promoted into a vampire, because the original is dead...
boreal pumice
It's always obvious when a ww tries to fake tracker...
Do you understand the concept of fake claiming
Like without the info being spoon fed to you
Is it easy to claim tracker? No, but there are many ways you can sneakily get that info to back up your claim
sturdy harbor
I do understand it... I'm not stupid
boreal pumice
Or fake for your teammates !
covert sable
The original isn't dead because you're good at the game.
(Also, vampires are unique. If the boss dies, You can literally lie about wgi someone visited, get a mislynch then bite someone and you're no worse for wear.)
sturdy harbor
the only. interessing point I can see, is town power role being converted... that's like very game changer.
that or tks
covert sable
The original isn't dead because you're good at the game.
(Also, vampires are u...
Really is the same thing as when Wildling gets book except it's even easier. Figure it out.
boreal pumice
Guys I know this post has 81 upvotes, one of the highest ever, with hundreds of collective hours of playtime from those people playing the mod but
This person has 3k hours in tol so we should disregard all that
covert sable
the only. interessing point I can see, is town power role being converted... tha...
That's why TPs should be on them.
Vigi will be important
sturdy harbor
not sure its still an attack .
covert sable
You can protect from a conversion.
sturdy harbor
nothing is written about that on the rework. but that just make it weaker, then I though, being denied a conversion is very bad for a team. and having to convert suspicious players is not that awesome.
sturdy harbor
I read : Instead of killing your target they will join the Vampire faction, retaining their original role.
covert sable
I read : Instead of killing your target they will join the Vampire faction, reta...
Yeah if a cleric barrier doesn't block the teeth
torpid willow
Since if you are never killing them in the first place it won't convert
boreal pumice
What would dracs look like with this rework btw
torpid willow
What would dracs look like with this rework btw
Uh good question
I enjoy having Arso and Inquisitor in that rolelist
But with there only being one starting vamp instead of 3, not sure how we'll adjust things
sturdy harbor
Arso is really a slow one.. I suppose its only there to place distrust on anymore asking for tp lo
boreal pumice
I should've worded it "instead of your target dying"
Does BG kill vampire who tries to convert
torpid willow
Will probably playtest it in custom+ if i can
boreal pumice
Yeahhh fairs
torpid willow
Arso is one of the best NKs
torpid willow
Does BG kill vampire who tries to convert
Converting will be treated as an attack
so yeah
covert sable
Arso is really a slow one.. I suppose its only there to place distrust on anymo...
It's there because SK was a bad choice on BMG's part but I get why they did it.
sturdy harbor
why not make convert NOT an attack.
torpid willow
Converting = Regular vamp attack, but instead of your target dying to you they will join your team if possible, if not possible they will just die
sturdy harbor
I forgot other modes.
that's why I think we should just make another Mod of TOS 2, where TOL-based mechanics could exist. sadly, there is nothing I can do about this
covert sable
why not make convert NOT an attack.
It's really not an attack if you think about it. The conversion doesn't work on non-town or people who had defense, and TPs block it since conversion and attacks are both harmful visits.
So it's similar for description purposes
sturdy harbor
yeah, its just much weaker, (has better potentials, but in practice it will be much weaker, (stronger then current vamp,) but that just tell us how much current vamps are so freaking weak
torpid willow
that's why I think we should just make another Mod of TOS 2, where TOL-based mec...
BTOS2 already integrates TOL based mechanics
And if you want a mod to just be the entirety of TOL, I don't see why wou wouldn't just play TOL
eternal surge
isn't TOL like.. dead?
eternal surge
eh skill issue
sturdy harbor
we don't have devs
torpid willow
So why would a niche mod for TOS2 that is just TOL be any less dead
sturdy harbor
that,s out of topic.
torpid willow
that's why I think we should just make another Mod of TOS 2, where TOL-based mec...
😭
sturdy harbor
MY logic is that the abilities to fix some roles and to bring some news thing, we COULD be able to bring some players who used to love TOL. Currently no one is playing, because we know that bugs will not get fixed, that unfair roles will not get nerfed and that bad roles will not be buffed.
meager hawk
the idea of other people making btos2-style mods would be really cool
just to see a variety of different balancing ideas in practice rather than just what Curtis and Tuba can implement
But the process for making a mod like that would have to be publicized in order for that to happen
torpid willow
Its sadly just a playerbase issue
Competition is great and encourages both sides to work harder and innovate more
meager hawk
if you can get a Discord game set up, you can theoretically get a DifferentToS2 mod game set up
torpid willow
But btos2 already struggles to fill alot, another mod would need some big backing to let it stand out
sturdy harbor
I noted that when I tried to join BTOS 2 queue, there was not one in queue
torpid willow
Its only active at certain times of the day
not 24/7
but when its active it goes up to 50+ people typically on weekends which is dope
plenty of people for filling games with minimal queue times
sturdy harbor
reminder that Ranked has no been active for 2 WEEK
torpid willow
BTOS2's Casual Mode is the second most popular TOS2 mode losing to vanilla's All Any
the fact a mod sweeps that much is insane
now vanilla AA absolutely demolishes it in playercounts, but still
compact comet
you do know that
torpid willow
#2 aint a bad spot for a mod
meager hawk
true
compact comet
vanillas only play AA right?
meager hawk
pretty much
meager hawk
the ranked community fucked off
meager hawk
that too
torpid willow
I think every mode needs a strong justification for it's own existence, and good incentives to play them
not just generic gamemode #5
compact comet
oh my god i just got the brilliant idea of merging vanilla AA with random modifiers each game
meager hawk
It's funny, people wanted all the rotating modes because they complained about Custom being too dead and not getting a chance to play with all the modifiers
But then no one played those modes either
torpid willow
the rotating modes lacked creativity and were never updated
it was just one mode for each modifier and then that was it
Drac's and CS were creative gamemodes, and remained the most popular rotating modes
but why should people care about something like Hidden Roles
meager hawk
To bring this back to Vampires
I think putting Vampires in Custom could revive custom mode
compact comet
isnt custom literally just reworded private servers for BTOS2?
sturdy harbor
the idea of other people making btos2-style mods would be really cool
just to se...
that really need to be discussed in its own seperate thread. we're losing the subject here
meager hawk
that really need to be discussed in its own seperate thread. we're losing the su...
yah tbh i didn't realize this was the vampire thread until after I posted that
lmao
torpid willow
I could honestly lock this thread because its already confirmed and theres really no further input needed
compact comet
I only came to look at this thread bc i saw curtis typing
torpid willow
As I said when I made this I only made it because I didn't wanna respond to somebody else's relatively similar but not as good rework, this was a no brainer to implement
I've had this sitting since like early may lol
just uh, some stuff happened late may
🗿
compact comet
just uh, some stuff happened late may
meager hawk
CurtisMoyai emoji when
sturdy harbor
I can't find my old post.. where i wanted to discuss that ..
meager hawk
I can't find my old post.. where i wanted to discuss that ..
I'll make one
chrome mortar
anyways what kinda boundaries will vamp roles have within non-town townie mechanics?
like can vamp retri use non-townie corpses?
would jailor who executed town previously get their abilities back?
same quesion, but now what about pros?
ooh and what if vamp is controlled into vamp faction townies with conversion on, would they attack their teammate? do nothing cus conversion+conversion=still converted?
can trick absorb the conversion lmao
and ofc wtf happens when you throw reworked vamp into teams mode?
meager merlin
Vamp in teams is probably just gonna kill
gusty flame
ew teams.
young onyx
the rolelist rotation should be 99 variants of Teams and 1 April that's just roaming aroudn
covert sable
ooh and what if vamp is controlled into vamp faction townies with conversion on,...
A: Teams fucking sucks,
B: Teams are all evils. Conversion would always fail 100% of the time.
gusty flame
I would imagine Vampire still cant be recruited
covert sable
would jailor who executed town previously get their abilities back?
Also: ANY non town ret can use evil bodies.
Egotist, TT, Recruit, Vampire, or CS shenanigans.
gusty flame
with this rework
covert sable
I would imagine Vampire still cant be recruited
I mean, hold on you might have accidentally cooked something diabolical.
Recruited Vampire just turning people into Jackal-aligned Vampire monsters would be actually kinda goated. At least that way would eliminate trolling.
meager merlin
How would that interact with Jackal lifelink
Would the other vamps just be able to exist after the Jackal team dies
covert sable
How would that interact with Jackal lifelink
Just a random thought of some nonsense but like this.
Starting Vampire (remember this is unique) and Arsonist are recruits.
Vampire converts Lookout. Lookout is not recruited, but is Lookout(Jackal) and joins the Vampires.
If the Lookout dies, the Vampire dies, and the Lookout becomes Vampire (Jackal) due to promotion.
The entire Vampire team wins with the Jackal because the original Vampire was recruited.
covert snow
How would that interact with Jackal lifelink
the rec dies and takes all 4 vamp aligned players with them
covert sable
Just a random thought of some nonsense but like this.
Starting Vampire (rememb...
It eliminates trolling, or negative utility. It just makes it so that if Vampire is recruited, Team Vampire and Team Jackal will become one.
I'm really liking that, even though it's stupid it actually seems great.
boreal pumice
But the process for making a mod like that would have to be publicized in order ...
Or other people could figure it out themselves ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Tuba and Curt did to be fair nobody helped them
meager hawk
That is an extremely unhelpful response
tight oasis
what about removing Vampire entirely and uh add the thing
covert sable
what about removing Vampire entirely and uh add the thing
You are 83 universally positive reviews too late
covert sable
Vampire shit
That is why it is being reworked
boreal pumice
That is an extremely unhelpful response
It’s not like I’m able to help anyway, I’m just pointing out the obvious really !!
It’s not impossible to figure out that much is clear
meager hawk
I get that
but "lawl figure it out yourself" when the barrier to said figuring it out is really high feels super tone deaf
brisk jungle
Vampire shit
do you not get the point of a rework-
tight oasis
I was joking i already liked this post like 3 weeks before
even tho i havent read it till today i just liked it because
brisk jungle
I was joking i already liked this post like 3 weeks before
ah
tight oasis
is vamp rework
covert sable
but "lawl figure it out yourself" when the barrier to said figuring it out is *r...
I think you're overthinking it a bit. Tuba and Curt have no obligation to give people their code or anything like that. Nuggy isn't trying to be rude.
boreal pumice
but "lawl figure it out yourself" when the barrier to said figuring it out is *r...
I could say it’s tone deaf to expect free documentation to be handed out as well, but that wouldn’t get anyone anywhere.
All I had to say was that there’s 100% ways of getting it done without them needing to spend hours and hours and hours making documentation of everything, it’s not meant as an attack on your character !!
tight oasis
Nuggy: i am going to kill you and i am going to kill you !!
boreal pumice
Also either way even if they had super elaborate documentation on how to get it set up in the first place, there’s still the many hurdles of actually recording the whole game and how some of the extremely jank interactions work so unless they basically put out a thesis on the exact code of every single role in the game I don’t think anyone would actually be able to get to the point of having a fully functional mod, without that prior knowledge of how it all ticks
tight oasis
Also either way even if they had super elaborate documentation on how to get it ...
yeah thats why i said i think there should be a BToS2 wiki because a few days before, #1201939324556288050 only kind of covers the tip of the iceberg it doesn't really cover alot of the super specific interactions like a wiki would which can be very helpful
boreal pumice
yeah thats why i said i think there should be a BToS2 wiki because a few days be...
This is about coding the mod tho so not quite on topic but
I hear ya
tight oasis
i am gonna explode and die in 40 seconds
boreal pumice
UH OH
covert sable
Also either way even if they had super elaborate documentation on how to get it ...
Yeah, I think they are a bit too busy COOKING some good food to do this.
tight oasis
they're conjuring up a Coroner TPoW rework
chrome mortar
A: Teams fucking sucks,
B: Teams are all evils. Conversion would always fail 1...
what about ur own team lmao
rocky basin
yeah thats why i said i think there should be a BToS2 wiki because a few days be...
The only problem is you need a group of people or at least 1 person to be dedicated to updating the wiki when the game/mod gets updated
The tos 1 wiki has been inconsistent and out of date for years
The tos 2 wiki didn't take long to get incosistent and out of date
boreal pumice
The only problem is you need a group of people or at least 1 person to be dedica...
The tos 2 wiki was never even finished like 1 and a half roles were put on there officially
BTOS 2
covert sable
what about ur own team lmao
This is once again a Teams problem, so I don't think it matters.
But still, it would not work. Vampires can only convert Town.
Blue Team is not Town. Blue Team is evil.
rocky basin
The tos 2 wiki was never even finished like 1 and a half roles were put on there...
Which means the tos 2 wiki is in an even worse state because not only is it inconsistent and out of date, but it's also half baked too
boreal pumice
Tbh I thought you were on about the BTOS 2 wiki
Idk anything about vanilla tos 2’s wiki
rocky basin
No, I was talking about tos 2's wiki
boreal pumice
But they merged tos 1 and tos 2’s wiki
covert sable
Vanilla TOS2 is not relevant here anymore
rocky basin
True but it's not cosistent
boreal pumice
No, I was talking about tos 2's wiki
Thank you for elaborating 
rocky basin
you're welcome
boreal pumice
Anyway but fandom wikis are really annoying to work with
And I tried to use Miraheze for the BTOS 2 one which worked but
It’s still not easy
And also ran into issues of it not actually functioning across multiple platforms
And certain aspects broke on different browsers it was a mess
covert sable
And certain aspects broke on different browsers it was a mess
Which browsers broke out of curiosity?
rocky basin
Vanilla TOS2 is not relevant here anymore
I brought it up as an example of what not to updating a wiki enough does
covert sable
I brought it up as an example of what not to updating a wiki enough does
i see
boreal pumice
Which browsers broke out of curiosity?
Opera GX for one
covert sable
Opera GX for one
I KNEW IT
boreal pumice
LUL
eternal surge
you should use firefox NOW
sullen lake
^
sullen lake
eternal surge
it's one of the rare, if not the only, browser that isn't based on chromium
rocky basin
I believe in FireFox supremacy
boreal pumice
Imagine taking so many L’s that you use opera gx I don’t know anybody who spoke here recently tha would do that
eternal surge
and as such, won't be impacted by the manifest changes that'll break the ankles of adblockers soon
eternal surge
also, it's easier to dev extensions for firefox
way easier to publish them on the firefox store
boreal pumice
Anyway point is it was a humongous pain in the ass working with miraheze
And fandom is fandom so fuck that
Fandom without adblocker is genuinely nauseating and they also keep fucking with random wikis on their site
And forcing shit like AI search into them which also spews out nonsense incorrect shit
eternal surge
fandom is really doing their best to dig their early grave
now that wiki.gg exists
boreal pumice
Fandom is abhorrent
eternal surge
there's no reason to use fandom anymore
boreal pumice
Yeah
Unfortunately they pay big bucks to keep their sites at the top of search results but
eternal surge
Lobotomy corporation wiki is on fandom, and you can't properly browse it without an ad blocker for instance
boreal pumice
People are sabotaging fandom wikis and anyone wise will go to the new legit ones
rocky basin
Fandom without adblocker is genuinely nauseating and they also keep fucking with...
It's like asking to be flash banged but with ads instead of a stun grenade
boreal pumice
😭😭😭
covert snow
there's no reason to use fandom anymore
another issue is that fandom as a company owns like. a lot of other helpful sites? tiermaker for one
chrome mortar
Without ublock +
now without icognito filter
boreal pumice
Also another reason for not wanting to go fandom or other wiki sites is that it’s annoying having to tab out or deal with fucking shitty fandom on mobile
So much more accessible on this discord
And we want anyone playing the mod to be on the discord anyway
eternal surge
fandom is straight up unusable on mobile
covert sable
Firefox based
(Unless something changed), Tuba and I use Brave currently, but if anything were to happen to the project I know where I'm going.
chrome mortar
anyways for some reason mine still shows ads even with adblocker on
eternal surge
anyways for some reason mine still shows ads even with adblocker on
use Ublock origin, every other adblocker isn't effective
chrome mortar
epic moment of a plugin unable to do what it's designed to do
eternal surge
fun fact : the OG adblocker, AdBlock, is paid by ads company to let them go throught their filters
chrome mortar
use Ublock origin, every other adblocker isn't effective
honestly might aswell
chrome mortar
fun fact : the OG adblocker, AdBlock, is paid by ads company to let them go thro...
fr? wow that answers a lot actually
eternal surge
yeah
boreal pumice
I think I might consider adding trivia strategies and update history to the roles in #1201939324556288050 tho what would people think of that
covert sable
I think I might consider adding trivia strategies and update history to the role...
I think it would help. More info is always good!
eternal surge
I think I might consider adding trivia strategies and update history to the role...
I think you should add more info for some roles
boreal pumice
I think you should add more info for some roles
Which ones?
covert snow
I think I might consider adding trivia strategies and update history to the role...
fr 🔥
boreal pumice
Alright that’s fair
eternal surge
but it's missing a lot of info
boreal pumice
I don’t want to make a new post for every single rework but some of them are much bigger than others
eternal surge
Admirer rolecard also doesn't say that your target will still get feedback of being silenced / deafened / rbd
which is useful info
eternal surge
Auditor doesn't mention that if your target got no charges, they'll get rbd without knowing that it was from an auditor
inner sand
People are sabotaging fandom wikis and anyone wise will go to the new legit ones
Minecraft Fandom:
chrome mortar
Minecraft Fandom:
are the 10 million donkeys still there?
eternal surge
Banshee rolecard doesn't mention that you can't whisper anyone when deafened
inner sand
are the 10 million donkeys still there?
no :(
covert sable
fr? wow that answers a lot actually
Yeah, he is correct.
The only ad blocking solution you should trust is Ublock Origin by Raymond Gorhill I believe is his name.
Brave browser blocks ads inside of the browser, and even still I have Ublock Origin in here.
eternal surge
Inquisitor doesn't mention that all of his heretics can be evils
chrome mortar
Yeah, he is correct.
The only ad blocking solution you should trust is **Ubloc...
glad I just enabled it then lmao
eternal surge
even tho many players still believe that at least one heretic must be town
which is straight up false
chrome mortar
wait really?
eternal surge
yeah
Judge rolecard doesn't mention that during court, any player upped will be executed
chrome mortar
thought it was confirmed at least 1 town had to be heretic
boreal pumice
Inquisitor doesn't mention that all of his heretics can be evils
It’s supposed to be like this what
No I mean
eternal surge
It’s supposed to be like this what
uh
eternal surge
wait
covert sable
It is, but it isn't like that presently
boreal pumice
TUBA ANTICS FUCKING EXPLAIN
covert sable
I can help with that
eternal surge
Either they turned warlock into a townie, or it's not wroking properly
working yeah me can talk english very good
chrome mortar
thats so weird, assuming there was town this game lol
eternal surge
it was WS
so yeah
wait not WS
April
with like 2 confirmed dep / admirer in the rolelist
rocky basin
It's never mentioned that 1 of the heretics have to be a townie
covert sable
TUBA ANTICS FUCKING EXPLAIN
if my memory serves me, Curtis said that forcing Inquisitor to have a town target would break the game in custom when people made 0 town lists intentionally.
So currently Inquisitor does not force a town target unless they go back in the code
eternal surge
@boreal pumice if you want I can scout any missing info on the rolecards to update the library
chrome mortar
imagine this is just a weird pandora exception lol
eternal surge
imagine this is just a weird pandora exception lol
wasn't pandora
chrome mortar
wasnt pandora? fr? dayum that color setup be mad confusing then
2 reds I assumed it was banshee and warlock on pandora lol
boreal pumice
if my memory serves me, Curtis said that forcing Inquisitor to have a town targe...
This is exactly correct you’re right
eternal surge
also happenned to a friend of mine, don't mind the fact that it's a picture of his screen, @strong halo computer will litteraly explode if he tries do take a screenshot
boreal pumice
<@571442138685112341> if you want I can scout any missing info on the rolecards ...
If you find any would appreciate it !!
chrome mortar
ok the common theme im seeing here is the existense of CS
boreal pumice
You don’t gotta go out of your way for it tho ofc xp
rocky basin
I feel like Inquisitor should have powerful attack in case they get a neutral with defense as 1 of their heretics
chrome mortar
<@571442138685112341> if you want I can scout any missing info on the rolecards ...
also devs are so messy with their work that there's still comments on trick feedback that said taunt instead of magic mirror, same for soc with party
covert sable
This is exactly correct you’re right
Personally, I think that if they can dig back into the Inquisitor stuff when they get the chance, I'd really like this
Force a town target (Not TT/Recruit/Ego)
- if no town spawn in-game, release the restriction.
Same way where Executioner would just become a Jester if no Town spawn.
Or Neutral Pariah just wins instantly.
So Inq would instantly know there are no townies but it's better that way than what we currently got.
Every game should start with Town majority anyway, but if people want to screw with custom, that's their prerogative
rocky basin
Or just give them a random target that isn't town and write it off as an exception
eternal surge
If you find any would appreciate it !!
Crusader :
Is Control/roleblock Immune (Missing from megathread)
Do not get feedback from other Crusaders (TLDR if a crusader gets a UO it’s SS or Jailor)
Does not block astral visits
Can't go on the same target two nights in a row
Deputy :
Can shoot Recruits
Does not use the same logic as sheriff for some reason
Investigator :
Frames also affect Murder (I think it’s a bug).
Prosecutor :
Can prosecute during a tribunal (Bug?)
Can prosecute after an Exe Win (Bug?)
If Recruited, Can prosecute during a Tribunal win (Bug?) // 50% of the time you won't be able to pros during exe win / tribunal, idk why
Baker :
Can give defense bread to fellow apocalypse member, but it won’t count for the transformation.
Can give bread to his TT, will count toward his transformation
Reveal bread reveal their true alignment (Ex : TT)
Reveal bread doesn’t reveal the role of all visitors
Barrier bread give “barrier saved you” feedback
Auditor :
If your target can’t be audited, they’ll get a default RB message and not learn that an auditor tried to audit them.
Smokebomb reveal their true alignment (Ex : TT)
Banshee :
Deafened players can’t whisper.
Inquisitor :
Heretic’s role are random, and might contain no townies.
Judge :
During a court, any upped player will be instantly lynched (There’s no defense phase).
Subpoena reveal their true alignment (Ex : TT)
Oracle :
!!! NEEDS TO BE TESTED – Roleblocks / Jail prevent you from choosing the same target the following night. (Happenned to me once, but never got oracle again)
Produce “Barrier saved you” feedback
Starspawn
Can isolate the same player two nights in a row.
Only Uknown Obstacle Town roles without an harmful visit (the Onlytown roles that can bypass an UO are Vigilante and Trickster)
Does not block Astral visits
Warlock :
Frames are bugged RN.
Admirer :
If you prevent an effect on your target, they will still get the usual feedback and won’t know that they weren’t deafened / rbd / silenced
Cursed Soul :
You can’t swap with NP, NE, NS (Excluding CS) and Recruits (And TT I Think?)
rocky basin
Baker can give bread to their tt
Also correction: they can give bread to apoc via being controlled, but heal bread gives no bread
eternal surge
Also correction: they can give bread to apoc via being controlled, but heal brea...
doesn't heal bread gives bread to townies?
rocky basin
No
eternal surge
sounds like a bug
rocky basin
As far as I know, it doesn't
I think it's stop apoc getting bread without witch's interfering but doesn't take into count if you were to use it on townies, but I could be wrong
rocky basin
Crusader :
Is Control/roleblock Immune (Missing from megathread)
Do not get fee...
Crus can't go on the same person 2 nights in a row
SS isn't suppose to either but it can (probably a bug?)
strong halo
Crusader :
Is Control/roleblock Immune (Missing from megathread)
Do not get fee...
Normal pros can prosecute during exe turn
rocky basin
Tribunal can be triggered during a trial-less day (exe punishment) but doesn't change the trial count
strong halo
I haven't followed the discussion so idk what y'all are talking about but in one game a regular pros could pros during exercise trial
eternal surge
fixed
eternal surge
Crus can't go on the same person 2 nights in a row
SS isn't suppose to either bu...
SS definitely can stay on the same guy over and over again, I did it yesterday
poor crus never knew what hit them
rocky basin
But do they deny visits both nights in a row tho?
eternal surge
yes
rocky basin
It's a bug then
eternal surge
N2 - Starbounded Crus / CS
N3 - Starbounded Crus
N4 - Starbounded Crus / PM
no fun allowed in MY town
rocky basin
Also pm can be starbounded despite being immune
eternal surge
oh no it didn't starbound them
I just saw them visit my target
they still attacked them
rocky basin
Unless they fixed it, I went on an isolate player as pm and my reveal potion didn't work
chrome mortar
also is the camo text still on wildling's desc? cus wildling does not have camo
actually I don't think camo works on LO either tbf I don't remember any instance of it actually doing something lmao
but i do remember wildling getting outed for visiting without book so there's that
boreal pumice
Baker can give bread to their tt
any evil role can target TT
eternal surge
any evil role can target TT
warlock can't
boreal pumice
That's a bug then right?
eternal surge
Idk
boreal pumice
It will be
eternal surge
Crusader :
Is Control/roleblock Immune (Missing from megathread)
Do not get fee...
made a list of undocumented mechanics btw
boreal pumice
TTs are supposed to be functionally townies in every way
boreal pumice
made a list of undocumented mechanics btw
yeah I was looking over it thank you
Also it turns out
I made an entire post for crusader but had it in other reworks at the same time
oops !
rocky basin
any evil role can target TT
Ik but it breaks the game
covert sable
wrong
rocky basin
4 
s
fervent lintel
wanton shard
TUBA
i have an issue with this
what would happen if there is an oracle vampire faction
wouldnt it be op
boreal pumice
wouldnt it be op
How
wanton shard
aegist vampire
unless they just aegist x role with vamp thing aside
yeah that would be balanced
cause it's just vamp faction
something like tt
boreal pumice
aegist vampire
Cleric can just protect the vampire every night
That would be objectively stronger
wanton shard
oracle also knows the roles of their vampires cause once theyre bitten they chat ar night
at night
meager merlin
Oracle would only protect the Vampire role itself, so it's probably a bit worse than Cleric since it can't chain protect
boreal pumice
oracle also knows the roles of their vampires cause once theyre bitten they chat...
Oracle can't chain
It is objectively weaker than Cleric in this instance
I do not understand how it would be OP when it's not even the strongest role vamps could get
What about vampire Jailor
wanton shard
2 oracles still better than 2 clerics
compact comet
oracle also knows the roles of their vampires cause once theyre bitten they chat...
pm barrier potion
boreal pumice
I am so confused
wanton shard
2 oracles can infinitely chain and protect someone else!!
compact comet
guys I think pm might be op because it can uh protect
meager merlin
2 oracles can infinitely chain and protect someone else!!
Why have 2 oracles when you can have 1 cleric
compact comet
why have 1 cleric when you can have 1 mayor and literally win the entire game 2 days earlier
wanton shard
why have cleric when u can rework cleric
meager merlin
Why have 1 coroner when you can have 3
astral stream
2 oracles can infinitely chain and protect someone else!!
...
Two Clerics can protect two people infinitely too
What are you on about
My honest opinion is that Oracle is worse than Cleric in every forseeable way outside of cheese
meager merlin
Two clerics can infinitely protect each other too
astral stream
Because so rarely do you get two of the same role in a game
Its gimmick is useless
wanton shard
Two clerics can infinitely protect each other too
yes but only each other
astral stream
2 oracles can infinitely chain and protect someone else!!
Oracles cant chain at all
wanton shard
and dont get hit by rampage!!!
wanton shard
Oracles cant chain at all
if one aegist oracles the other one does aegis oracle the other night
duh
astral stream
and dont get hit by rampage!!!
Did you really just pull out RAMPAGE
As your entire argument
meager merlin
Cleric heals from rampage
astral stream
That's proof you're grasping
CLERIC
ALSO HEALS FROM RAMPAGE
BOTH CLERICS WOULD ALSO STILL LIVE
meager merlin
Oracle can only protect Oracle once ever
wanton shard
oracles cant do the same person twice but oracles can switch between the other
compact comet
Did you really just pull out ***RAMPAGE***
this guy's blatantly messing around at this point
astral stream
if one aegist oracles the other one does aegis oracle the other night
Oracle can only self by choosing Oracle once
astral stream
oracles cant do the same person twice but oracles can switch between the other
Can you play btos2 for two seconds before attempting to argue a point 💀
wanton shard
Oracle can only self by choosing Oracle once
wait isn't it just that u cant use it twice in a row
lilac torrentBOT
Huskers
- Wins: 110
- Losses: 137
compact comet
I hate watching people waste their time
wanton shard
a
meager merlin
what
wanton shard
im not a troll
so oracle cannot self more than once but also cannot do the same role twice in a row but can do it more times
meager merlin
yes
wanton shard
so how the fuck was i supposed to know that it doesnt include it in the desc nor has anyone tried selfing more than once they usually get hung or die before they can do that
it does not appear as a charge just as a normal aegis
covert snow
so how the fuck was i supposed to know that it doesnt include it in the desc nor...
man i sure do wonder where you can find out more information on the btos2 roles that may not be in the rolecards
boreal pumice
My honest opinion is that Oracle is worse than Cleric in every forseeable way ou...
Not true
It might be in all any
But in a set list you can get value going on
Being able to protect multiple townies is very strong
astral stream
But in a set list you can get value going on
You know
You just made me realize why I hate Oracle so much
boreal pumice
Explain?
astral stream
It's the epitome of setup rng
It relies so heavily on setup rng to be useful
That's why I dislike its execution so much
covert sable
Epitome.
astral stream
Epitome.
I would turn autocorrect off
But that'll probably just result in less comprehensive spelling
boreal pumice
It's the epitome of setup rng
That's the exact opposite of what I just said
It's weak in lists with lots of RNG
Like all any
But stronger when it has actual solid lists to work on
Like in a ranked setting
Or any list with one or more confirmed roles
covert sable
It relies so heavily on setup rng to be useful
What do you mean setup RNG?
night 1 isn't a random heal, your job is to make sure Crusader cannot die no matter what. I guess.
astral stream
It's weak in lists with lots of RNG
No I mean
boreal pumice
What do you mean setup RNG?
night 1 isn't a random heal, your job is to make s...
Protect any strong townie really
astral stream
It's so much stronger when 4 Sheriffs spawn compared to if 1 Sheriff spawns
But the amount of Sheriff spawns in a game is completely random
Compare that to something like Cleric
Which is the same strength across the board
And doesnt rely on role duping to be useful
boreal pumice
It's so much stronger when 4 Sheriffs spawn compared to if 1 Sheriff spawns
I don't know if this is true?
I think people would not trust the sheriff claims
Its gonna look sus if there's 4 sheriff claims
covert sable
Protect any strong townie really
Yeah, but the thing about crusader is that it's often confirmed in the role list. That's why I mentioned it particularly, it's your night 1 go.
astral stream
I think people would not trust the sheriff claims
You can't argue that Oracle protecting 4 people in one night is better than it protecting 1 person in one night
boreal pumice
Yeah, but the thing about crusader is that it's often confirmed in the role list...
THE :D
THE THING
astral stream
Yeah, but the thing about crusader is that it's often confirmed in the role list...
N1 kills shouldnt exist anyway
Just putting that out there
boreal pumice
covert sable
yes.
boreal pumice
I am so happy thank you
covert sable
N1 kills shouldnt exist anyway
I'm not sure about this one.
boreal pumice
You can't argue that Oracle protecting 4 people in one night is better than it p...
I'm confused what you mean by this. It is objectively better for town if you protect multiple people yes, but I'm guessing that's not exactly what you mean
astral stream
I'm not sure about this one.
Rolelists should be adjusted to compensate
That's
Exactly what I meant
💀
boreal pumice
Bruh what
astral stream
Dont overthink it
boreal pumice
Okay well I am genuinely confused then
astral stream
Oracle being able to protect more people when more of the same role spawns is part of its gimmick, no?
boreal pumice
Oracle is good in situations where it's good yes
astral stream
And for it to get that gimmick going
Setup rng has to favor it, no?
Otherwise its just a Cleric but worse
covert sable
Oracle isn't bad in situations where it's not "good".
astral stream
Unless you seriously think being able to prevent a conf Crus from dying N1 is enough of a feature to distinguish from it
astral stream
Oracle isn't bad in situations where it's not "good".
It's redundant.
boreal pumice
Setup rng has to favor it, no?
Possibly?
astral stream
That's my argument for why I dont like it
boreal pumice
I think it's a lie to say oracle's entire gimmick is multiple roles spawning
That's not true
Oracle can protect people without needing to know who they are
boreal pumice
It can ensure essential roles survive the night
It is yes
I don't have as much experience with it personally but curtis has told me from experience, in any list that isn't All Any oracle works well and I'm willing to take his word for it
Considering he actually plays a lot
astral stream
It is yes
Your goal as a TP is to single out the most loud, currently scumreading player who evil wants silenced and help tank block a stall out the game and confirm yourself
Your goal as a TP is NOT to ensure that town doesnt lose a powerful role no matter what because guess what
That goal grants you no value, you're essentially just insurance gambling
Lmao
You cant ACTIVELY protect anyone better as an Oracle than as a Cleric
sullen lake
astral stream
Because your ability doesnt function on a "select who evil's most likely to kill" axis
Your ability acts as unreliable insurance
And when you dont protect as a TP
or you cant reliably do so of your own agency
You're useless
Literally
boreal pumice
Counterpoint: just choose the role of the person you want to protect directly?
boreal pumice
I get that you won't always know what their role is but in those instances
They are likely like a coroner trying to die anyway
astral stream
Now I get to have you admit that Cleric is better than Oracle in every instance where this happens
EXCEPT
Guess what?
The multi-protect gimmick I mentioned earlier
Checkmate
boreal pumice
But I won't because oracle has other uses than cleric's direct protection?? It just has that as well
astral stream
The other use is swing mitigation
astral stream
Something that is notoriously famous for not working when the role itself is unreliable
Which Oracle is
Because of forced indecisive targeting
It has the same issues as current Amne
It solves a problem that doesnt need to be solved
And does everything worse than its counterpart (Cleric/Ret) otherwise
boreal pumice
Nothing you have said so far has changed my mind on oracle though :P
I think we have different perspectives on it
Which is okay
sullen lake
I also think its fine
boreal pumice
Crusader or Trapper or BG 4.0
astral stream
Crusader or Trapper or BG 4.0
Counterpoint
You could just make a good TP lmao
Legit
boreal pumice
There's nothing wrong with the role and it has its own strengths
astral stream
People are always like "I'd rather [insert flawed design here] be in the game than [insert even more flawed design here]"
boreal pumice
Counterpoint
You could just make a good TP lmao
The reason oracle was chosen is that there was legit no other suggestions that accomplished it 😭
astral stream
But I always try to aim higher
astral stream
The reason oracle was chosen is that there was legit no other suggestions that a...
One second
boreal pumice
The entire reason I suggested oracle by the way
astral stream
Let me cook
boreal pumice
The whole reason it was suggested
Is because people were not coming up with original suggestions
I made it to try and show you could come up with more ideas than just direct protection
And curt liked it and added it
astral stream
There are so many avenues you can execute a TP concept with
boreal pumice
It wasn't even meant as some perfect idea
astral stream
There are so many avenues you can execute a TP concept with
Again, let me cook
boreal pumice
So don't put me up on a pedastal like I thought this was the perfect role
astral stream
Im aware you didnt
boreal pumice
I do not think it's bad though
boreal pumice
Ty bestie
Also oracle was suggested at the same time that I suggested another TP called Blacksmith
Which basically worked like vet but it silently gave people scumshield instead of killing them
Does that sound fun?
No honestly it does not
But the entire point of them both was to show that it was possible to come up with more than just the next direct protection role of the week
Look at botc, it has Monk, Innkeeper and Tea Lady, all of which are SUPER different to each other
(I forget if there's any other roles that protect other people lul)
Also this was before I had played botc that I reccommended these two roles
wanton shard
It's weak in lists with lots of RNG
it's not like all any is supposed to be balanced
boreal pumice
mhm
nova laurel
Do yall think we can reach 100 likes?
sullen lake
Do yall think we can reach 100 likes?
you're saying this like a ytuber
wanton shard
you're saying this like a ytuber
you speak like time is moving onward
nova laurel
you're saying this like a ytuber
Who the FUCK uses ytuber as an acronym
At that point just write the entire word out, it’s literally 3 keystrokes
rocky basin
Water: vamp
Apoc: earth
Coven: fire
Air: town
They lived in harmony until the coven nation attacked
boreal pumice
Who the FUCK uses ytuber as an acronym
Me 🥺
compact comet
covert snow
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/978399922569216060/1094846479899832381/...
sniper tf2 why are you standing in that corner in homage to the 1999 found footage supernatural horror film The Blair Witch Project?
compact comet
mental sickness
boreal pumice
Possible suggestion for this
If you try to bite a solo Coven or Apoc, they get converted ?
That may be stupidly strong so maybe not
-# but I put it in the correct thread this time
boreal pumice
tbh I think non coven aligned coven roles shouldn't get necronomicon in general
It causes bugs
But in my head no
Oh, Berserker couldn't be converted anyway because of defense so
Pesti, Baker, SC and Coven would be convertible if they were solo
meager merlin
Vamp aligned Death
Would they have to be solo at the start of the night or is it possible to make it convert if the Coven's teammates die the same night
astral stream
Possible suggestion for this
If you try to bite a solo Coven or Apoc, they get c...
nah
It would A) be obvious when a faction member is converted this way for Coven and B) allow for coven to defect even after losing a member to say, another vamp
Which is unfair to said previous member
boreal pumice
It would A) be obvious when a faction member is converted this way for Coven and...
When they’re solo specifically though
Like all other teammates are dead
If they have living teammates they die still
astral stream
Like all other teammates are dead
My point still stands
Imagine if you will
X and Y are Coven
Y gets bitten and dies
But X suddenly starts coordinating with the Vamp they PM revealed and gets them to convert them
Y would be rightfully pissed off
No?
It's not fair that their teammate can just defect after they die and net them with a 100% loss
astral stream
8 more until we get to 100
rigid crane
But X suddenly starts coordinating with the Vamp they PM revealed and gets them ...
im pretty sure this is gamethrowing according to tos2 rules
would definitely be gamethrowing if you'd asked me as a tol mod
boreal pumice
Tbf with this rework it’s not the best idea anyway
Limited conversions
Unless coven got shafted by like D3 you don’t know there’s any left
astral stream
im pretty sure this is gamethrowing according to tos2 rules
Nothing within the game forbids it
Since you're still playing for your own personal victory
rigid crane
the game has a rule that you have to play for your current team's victory last I checked
stable tulip
Allow it if they’re the sole member of the team period (including dead players)
If a solo apoc / cov spawned, allow the convert
inner sand
we have a hater
meager merlin
fr
meager merlin
And with this shiny special trick called "totally not mod abuse", we can change this to a perfect 93 likes 0 dislikes
boreal pumice
Who said anything about mod abuse
meager merlin
nova laurel
Chat hear me out, vampire aligned jailor
queen elm
what
versed cove
Chat hear me out, vampire aligned jailor
Who let the CS cook? 💀
versed cove
I haven't played BToS2 in over a month, I couldn't have known. Too dead, most of the time.
I actually regularly play regular ToS2 now, as the pre-season updates have made it nearly on par with BToS2.
rocky basin
I'm curious to know if Tuba has fixed the jailee being able to be bitten by vamp bug or not
covert sable
I mean, they're doing a full rework eventually, it probably wouldn't still be bugged after that
rocky basin
I'll take that as a no then
astral stream
I actually regularly play regular ToS2 now, as the pre-season updates have made ...
Vanilla Crus says hi
versed cove
Vanilla Crus says hi
rocky basin
Vanilla Crus says hi
Vanilla crus? I think you mean green jinx
magic solstice
Only being able to basic attack and convert Town roles seems incredibly weak cause you're relying on a smart town that wont be killed too fast when you yourself are a killing role. It is kind of like being a Town role in a way. You don't really function like other evil roles because of your selection pool. You don't want Town to die early on no matter what.
Every other faction seems to have a stronger killing power than Vampire, making it really weak if you don't convert a role like a Tpow and the Vampire would only want to convert confirmed roles to avoid hitting an immune/evil when they do Convert. So it makes it hard to say the vampire wouldn't side Town and wait to bite the Tpow(s) each time to increase chances to win.
compact comet
well there's certainly a variety of strategies you could implement with your 3 conversions
rocky basin
2 more likes to go
compact comet
I wish I had a like on this so I could remove it
boreal pumice
latent void
Why did the chicken cross the road
tired notch
why
inner sand
GUYS WE DID IT
covert snow
queen elm
yippee
tired notch
w
teal crane
Please add this vamp change, it cooked
inner sand
mhm
rocky basin
I don't like losing your role when you become the main vamp, but other than that I like it
Maybe let people choose to be the main vampire similar to necro passing
meager merlin
Damn the thread is getting locked now
boreal pumice
BUMP DETECTED DELETING POST !!!!
meager merlin
😔
rocky basin
Don't lock it, it's cooking
boreal pumice
THIS WILL NEVER BE ADDED BECAUSE VIBE CHECK SENT 1 COMMENT GRRR
inner sand
Leak 1
boreal pumice
Anyway actual rolecard Curtis sent in general
He sent it in general so surely it's fine to repost here
I pray
sullen lake
Anyway actual rolecard Curtis sent in general
That vamp bite icon will haunt my nightmares
boreal pumice
The vamp icon itself is being changed
To the old ability btw
Because people voted it
rocky basin
Nice
boreal pumice
#lgbtos2-chat message
inner sand
we love
rocky basin
It's actually scary
meager merlin
The new ability icon reminds me of the tos1 vamp icon
rocky basin
True
boreal pumice
Yeah that was the inspiration
inner sand
i mean, yeah
boreal pumice
Leaks got dayum
inner sand
he's a kidnapper now
young onyx
what would happen if someone bumps a post just to kill it?
boreal pumice
I made it mid reveal stream because Vamp now had two abilities and then curt went "uhhh dude we low key already have two ability icons LOL"
boreal pumice
what would happen if someone bumps a post just to kill it?
If someone bumps someone else's post on purpose then only they get in trouble I won't do anything to the OG post
meager merlin
i mean, yeah
Make this the role icon fr
rocky basin
The interactions between this and cs would be crazy
boreal pumice
Well
young onyx
gotcha
boreal pumice
If they do it in a bad way
The entire bumping rule is basically "The OP cannot send messages or update their own post to keep it at the top if nobody else is interacting"
rigid crane
The interactions between this and cs would be crazy
Main vamp can’t swap but
Yeah
inner sand
have another
rocky basin
Main vamp can’t swap but
Yeah
Ah okay, so it's immune to soul swap
rigid crane
Yes but the converts aren’t
rocky basin
Ah okay
rigid crane
So you can get evil roles on the vampire team
And town aligned evil roles can be converted
young onyx
The entire bumping rule is basically "The OP cannot send messages or update thei...
how about those who edit the name of their post or post an "update" changing an arbitrary number by one?
boreal pumice
how about those who edit the name of their post or post an "update" changing an ...
If people have a legit update, I am usually more lenient on that
But also people who spam update their own posts with tiny detail changes then it gets locked yeah
young onyx
lol
meager merlin
Update: Changed "color" to "colour" because british is superior
rigid crane
Banned
boreal pumice
😨
rigid crane
Update: made sure to ping Temporary
rigid crane
Update: edited Temp ping to Curtis ping
boreal pumice
@ temporary temp what do you think of my uh I called it big scrunglu do u like it acn u give feedback on it pls now
@ curturs ping curtis to fix MINOR SPELLING ERROR LOOK
young onyx
ngl I'm surprised none of Temporary's posts got ☠️ed
rigid crane
@ tuba say the line
boreal pumice
I think one did
meager merlin
Didn't one of them get yeeted
young onyx
rip
meager merlin
Update: Joined the server on an alt to bump my posts
young onyx
I think one did
a 2.121203 version of it came out so it's as if it never left
boreal pumice
Oh yeah uh
young onyx
:trollface:
rigid crane
Update: Joined the server on an alt to bump my posts
Hyper moment
boreal pumice
Someone got an entire role made called Suggestion Banned by curt
because they were using an alt to manipulate votes
Oh uh
🙃
LOL
young onyx
someone should make a gif where it's like "Not naming names, but some of yall really need the Suggestions Banned role"
boreal pumice
That role would only ever be used again if someone else did a similar thing
Or if curt/tubald said nah this bitch annoying and slapped it on someone they just didn't like ig
I am just a lemming I look at what they do and do same
rigid crane
Or if curt/tubald said nah this bitch annoying and slapped it on someone they ju...
but curtis would just ban them clearly
boreal pumice
Uhm I think curt banned Hyper one time when he was drunk then unbanned them LOL
rigid crane
Nah he banned Brandon
young onyx
covert snow
@ curturs ping curtis to fix MINOR SPELLING ERROR LOOK
@ nuggy please pin something that you already pinned when this got posted the first time
meager merlin
Then came back
Un-suggestion-ban yourself with this one shrimple trick:
torpid willow
@ curturs ping curtis to fix MINOR SPELLING ERROR LOOK
where
torpid willow
thank you
meager merlin
@curbis hi
astral stream
The other vamp icon is cooler
Agreed
eternal surge
That vamp bite icon will haunt my nightmares
aight that's way funnier in french
torpid willow
here is the new icon for the role btw
vast oracle
Was that the old vamp ability icon? I dont remember tbh
astral stream
Was that the old vamp ability icon? I dont remember tbh
It was
sullen lake
aight that's way funnier in french
how is it funnier
covert snow
how is it funnier
Cette icône de morsure de vampire hantera mes cauchemars
covert snow
here is the new icon for the role btw
vamp if it was fucking awesome actually
torpid willow
it is now awesome actually mr twitter user, thank you for this insight
covert snow
i've never used twitter a day in my life
young onyx
I somehow doubt that
covert snow
if i was talking to me, i'd doubt it too
eternal surge
how is it funnier
Bite means dick
rocky basin
dic
chrome mortar
cök
stable tulip
There was a legit leak
Where
rocky basin
Curtis accidentally leaked the buffed admirer
stable tulip
Curtis accidentally leaked the buffed admirer
did he actually?
rocky basin
Yes while showing off egotist affected the speed of the music
stable tulip
what was the leaked mechanics
rocky basin
Yeah
boreal pumice
Curtis accidentally leaked the buffed admirer
He didn't leak it this was known lmfao
rocky basin
He didn't leak it this was known lmfao
Curtis did say that it wasn't mentioned to be shown yet
rocky basin
"chat i accidently leaked the admi rework" - #lgbtos2-chat message
boreal pumice
Yes that was a joke lmfao
rocky basin
still technically a leak
boreal pumice
I mean sure lol
rocky basin
The idea was mentioned before that in August and that message was in September
rocky basin
yeah
stable tulip
[2;32mJailor
Town ([2;34mInvestigative[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mInvestigative[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mInvestigative[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mProtective[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mProtective[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mPower[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mKilling[0m[2;32m)
[2;34mCommon[0m[2;32m Town
[2;34mCommon[0m[2;32m Town
[2;34mCommon [0m[2;32mTown
[2;34mCommon [0m[2;32mTown
[2;31mVampire[0m[2;32m
[2;37mNeutral ([2;34mPariah[0m[2;37m)
Neutral ([2;34mPariah[0m[2;37m)[0m[2;32m[0m
this will be the vamp list i play when first release is put up
so we can test how OP it is
astral stream
```ansi
[2;32mJailor
Town ([2;34mInvestigative[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mInvest...
Guaranteed Jailor
🤮
astral stream
At least have the decency to make it something like Marshal
Jailor is hazardous levels of toxic
stable tulip
fine
[2;32mMarshal
Town ([2;34mInvestigative[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mInvestigative[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mInvestigative[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mProtective[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mProtective[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mPower[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mKilling[0m[2;32m)
[2;34mCommon[0m[2;32m Town
[2;34mCommon[0m[2;32m Town
[2;34mCommon [0m[2;32mTown
[2;34mCommon [0m[2;32mTown
[2;31mVampire[0m[2;32m
[2;37mNeutral ([2;34mPariah[0m[2;37m)
Neutral ([2;34mPariah[0m[2;37m)[0m[2;32m[0m
If we're doing that im banning jailor
[2;32mMarshal
Town ([2;34mInvestigative[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mInvestigative[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mInvestigative[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mProtective[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mProtective[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mPower[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mKilling[0m[2;32m)
[2;34mCommon[0m[2;32m Town
[2;34mCommon[0m[2;32m Town
[2;34mCommon [0m[2;32mTown
[2;34mCommon [0m[2;32mTown
[2;31mVampire[0m[2;32m
[2;37mNeutral ([2;34mPariah[0m[2;37m)
Neutral ([2;34mPariah[0m[2;37m)
[2;40m[2;31mBANS:
[2;32mJailor[0m[2;31m[2;40m, [2;32mAdmirer[0m[2;31m[2;40m.[0m[2;37m[2;40m[0m[2;37m[0m[2;32m[0m
admirer is banned because it literally cannot help town in this list
astral stream
If we're doing that im banning jailor
Good move
stable tulip
or at least is even worse than usual
inner sand
admirer is banned because it literally cannot help town in this list
its getting a rework so I'd reconsider
pastel quarry
its getting a rework so I'd reconsider
Wont adm still be useless?
Idk if convert is considered as harmful or not hut
If its not harmful then adm only use will be to nullify a conversion attempt (and can cancel np abilities ig)
But if its considered harmful then adm is useless
astral stream
its getting a rework so I'd reconsider
I would know
The rework still makes it useless
astral stream
Idk if convert is considered as harmful or not hut
I dont know tbh
Even if so, it seems like a dumb niche to have
Being able to prevent conversion
By the wording it should
pastel quarry
Yeah
vast oracle
Convert is a harmful visit
rocky basin
```ansi
[2;32mJailor
Town ([2;34mInvestigative[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mInvest...
Jailor when they jailed the vamp n1 (d2 win is possible now):
ionic patio
```ansi
[2;32mMarshal
Town ([2;34mInvestigative[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34mInves...
Tuba said
not to add
2 np
🥀
ionic patio
admirer is banned because it literally cannot help town in this list
wrong
is getting updated
torpid willow
Casual Mode lists can ignore regular restrictions
Monster Mash is an example of that, supporting 2 witches
vast oracle
Imo I would prefer Ne Np, but I know I’m not the best at list balancing, and you and tuba are the listmasters anyways
astral stream
Imo I would prefer Ne Np, but I know I’m not the best at list balancing, and you...
Ne is a broken category for as long as Doom and Jest exist
vast oracle
Ne is a broken category for as long as Doom and Jest exist
I mean a vamp list has no way of discouraging full claims, so doom is fine, jest could be a problem tho
vast oracle
They should create NC for Doom and Jest
Forgot pirate
vast oracle
They should create NC for Doom and Jest
fine, nc for neutral chaos with doom and jest, and neutral hunt with inquis and exe
eternal surge
yeah
vast oracle
Tbh I actually like the idea of a neutral hunt bucket, though I dont think nc would work, unless ne was just split into nh and nc
So cn would just be nc nh and np all in one bucket
vast oracle
Yk what, I will, maybe in two hours, or right now
chrome mortar
Just replace one of the NP with inq ez
I mean bro was there on the first list, might aswell be on the 2nd
Bro can only get the main vamp as a target anyways, anything else is free game for the vamp's conversions to avoid the heretics
It also kinda forces the inq to play hidden since they're conf to have at minimum of 2 town targets, so there's that
vast oracle
It also kinda forces the inq to play hidden since they're conf to have at minimu...
It could have vamp and np as targets, or just np
chrome mortar
NP can be inq's target? Dayum
Anyways it'd depend on rng (like the entirety of the game) on a small chance of getting either vamp or NP as a target
Supposedly it's a ~0.5% chance of both being the target... or not, I'm bad at math
astral stream
Is INquis unique
chrome mortar
It is
chrome mortar
Supposedly it's a ~0.5% chance of both being the target... or not, I'm bad at ma...
Also getting either as a target is supposedly ~46% chance so I'm very very certain I'm making the math wrong
chrome mortar
KNEW IT- well not really, I wasn't that sure
Anyways that means inq is a valid choice to throw in here
If anything it's ~23% chance inq gets vamp as a target, it's the worst it can bring to the table
vast oracle
NP cannot be inq target
Tbh I never knew that, partially bc I have never been in a situation where it was important
torpid willow
NP cannot be inq target
correct, NP leave the town early
rocky basin
They can't be killed either by inquisitor either
compact comet
neither can the nks and they're all perfectly valid targets for some unholy reason
meager merlin
Me after getting 2 Werewolf targets in all any
rocky basin
neither can the nks and they're all perfectly valid targets for some unholy reas...
It'd make sense if inquisitor had power attack
compact comet
but then it'd become just another neutral bully
as if it doesn't make their life rough enough simply having them as a target
boreal pumice
neither can the nks and they're all perfectly valid targets for some unholy reas...
Inquis was supposed to be an Exe replacement so the idea was that with NKs in the mix sometimes you’d need to rely on lynching
The intended playstyle was to lynch some of them too, not just relying on vanquish
compact comet
j
that's a weird way of enforcing that I think
nks are generally the easiest targets to lynch and they lose when they die
having a role that's mostly neutral otherwise want someone else to explicitly lose the game isn't so good in my opinion
waxen spire
It'd make sense if inquisitor had power attack
it wouldn’t
compact comet
none of the other nes ever have a situation where they absolutely need another specific player to lose for them to win
waxen spire
you’re supposed to lynch heretics
compact comet
sometimes it comes down to certain situations where their win could cause a loss, but that's how nes work
waxen spire
neither can the nks and they're all perfectly valid targets for some unholy reas...
because they leave town
nk do not
compact comet
do I look like I just heard about tos2 yesterday
I was responding to the message above that
wide sequoia
eternal surge
I mean
this could be renamed to Godfather, convert to Recruit and yeah you would have maf in TOS2
that's what the text editor mod is for
boreal pumice
Would it be possible to make role names change based on alignment
eternal surge
yeah
boreal pumice
Make all the townsfolk have maf alternatives
eternal surge
@lone talon time to plug your mod
det made a mod that's EXACTLY what you're asking for
boreal pumice
Wowwy!!
eternal surge
I just.. don't remember the name lmao
Misc Role customisation IIRC?
this combined with the FancyUI mod
you could turn a vamp aligned tavkeep into the consort, the jailor into the kidnapper, ect
Trickster into Begulier 
pastel quarry
@eternal surge you know how to do it?
eternal surge
just names or also icons?
pastel quarry
Ik icons just names
eternal surge
name it's as shrimple as downloading det's mod and changing the value for the names
even tho I don't know if det already implemented the vamp faction
lemme check
pastel quarry
And also how does the silhouette set work?
Is it for swapping silhouettes or smth?
eternal surge
not working rn
pastel quarry
Ah ok