Outbreak - A slight rework of enhanced weapons and fun for all.

[past pebble]

I remember the previous season and the tragedy of impenetrable tunnels - an issue that can still be reproduced to a lesser degree, considering that Enhanced Emberspit no longer recovers ammo at all. Now, I understand why this nerf came to be - it's too powerful of a strategy otherwise that doesn't let Crystallines win if someone just gets into a safe spot. However:
1 - this feels like an inelegant solution, since that still doesn't resolve the issue of letting people hide in impenetrable tunnels by the end of the round;
2 - now Enhanced variants of weapons become even less useful, and that includes the new Ignis, which is pretty much a useless burst of damage.

To solve both problems, there are two things I propose:
1 - to change Euler Night Harbor's infamous tunnel to have two different Crystalline-size entrances;
2 - to make it so that people can recover ammo of Enhanced Weapons through crates again, BUT only from crates (maybe even make them restore only half of the "enhanced ammo" they usually would) - make Ammo Bearer specify that it would not restore ammo for Enhanced weaponry. The reasoning behind that is that this would force players out of their comfort zones to search for crates, rendering them vulnerable to attacks in a fun way.

If there are suggestions from other players, I'd love to hear them all. Maybe our voices will be heard this time around.

The reasoning behind the proposed change of letting us regain ammo for Enhanced weaponry is because of Ignis specifically - I can see the potential of the weapon, but if it's there only for, like, 10 shots, then it's a disappointing weapon card that people will get only once to check it out and then dismantle every time it drops.

[raven trout]

emberspit : allows for regain ammo but the flames have damage drop off and knock back drop off so the longer the zombie away the less knock back they take...this makes it more balanced

ignis : instead of regular shotgun pistol it fires a oversized slug that explode on contact like a grenade launcher dealing ton of damage and knock back but the fire rate reduced by half and limited ammunition (basically....bolt pistol from 40k)

[azure oyster]

Talk less, delete it
Done

[past pebble]

Someone got burned I see, but not enough. Enhanced weapons are a fun idea.

Deleting them won't resolve the issue.

[azure oyster]

we feedback nearly 6 months and you can see

[lament vigil]

Was there any feedback channel before this? Hmmm👀👀

[azure oyster]

each season we have feedback and too few of them is resolve

[past pebble]

I feel like negative feedback without proper suggestions of solutions is not at all helpful. Just telling someone to "fix the problem" while cussing them out and providing a bad solution will not help resolving the problem.
Deleting Enhanced weapons from Outbreak is not a solution - they're fun to play around with and have usage as tools. Emberspit in question is powerful, yes - so instead of reverting it to a stage where it was too overpowered, I proposed a solution that lets us keep those weapons and lets them still be useful for at least active gameplay.

[raven trout]

emberspit just need a nerf for how op it is tho i think it would do little in the curent ver of outbreak since all weapon have like no knock back

[azure oyster]

they are selling knock back card , so nerf lol

[raven trout]

knock back card doesnt work half the time as it get over written by other player bullet and it not even that much anyway even if it work

• with lilith around you be hard to get a match where it doesnt immediately start with 5 people instant die within the first 20 seconds or so ..rn i just....screw it ima just slashes every zomb with dimensional slash

[past pebble]

Well, a nerf we have. But it's not a fun one.
Reducing the knockback of the weapon (to zero) makes sense, and so does reducing its damage and ammo accessibility. What doesn't make as much sense to me is making it a very temporary tool. It's supposed to be a powerful version of a secondary weapon, not a sacrifice of a secondary weapon.

There's a reason it's very wise to take a Stinger with you to Outbreak, and sacrificing it fully for a very temporary weapon is not fun.

[azure oyster]

you know how to break the defend in deadcorner?
Nerf the resist
so any chance for Survivor?

More Card release, no issues
Tanky Agent, 1 hit Deviant, too many OP cards

[past pebble]

I spoke of that in the main post, actually. "Deadcorners" are a problem that can be resolved by a clever editing of the map - you just have to force players to protect more than one corridor, and they crumble.
You'd be surprised to learn that Loch District has a dead corner as well - and it's not even a corridor, but one of the rooftops while you play as Maddelena.

[azure oyster]

1 Fragants tank 12 Deviant lv 15

[past pebble]

1 Maddelena causing warcrimes against 19 Crystallines without any chance of them getting closer. Nature of roguelikes.

[azure oyster]

or 30k HP 1 Deviant slash

Outbreak now totally break
They keep selling cards, dump tester say it ok

they should make real PVE

if the devs have enough INT

[cosmic isle]

I missed no stack limit maxed Hunter's Log Maddelena ult nuke ;w;

[past pebble]

I suggest using cards that depend on levels along with Power Vacuum. Harder to get off properly, but works very well still.
Also, try using Maddelena at Loch District - you'll be surprised by what carnage you can create.

Right now the meta leans on Sunburst/Torment - this might be a piece that helps setting the build up.

[cosmic isle]

Yep especially Sunburst+Torment tank & runner Fragrans too OP ;w;

[past pebble]

Maddelena can still end up a nuke recast every 5 seconds that is better than Fragrans by damage.

It just takes getting the build off properly...

[cosmic isle]

I agree ... proper build Maddelena can out dmg Fragrans
but Fragrans have better survivability

I think I'll try Maddelena later
I'm usually play Fragrans and Yugiri in this season ;w;