Building Ideas (if youre new feel free to use it as a reference)

[exotic tulip]

ill slowly update when i get the time, for now just this one roof style.

[lucid mural]

That looks neat. Thought about building a big pagoda a while ago but the whole roof clipping issues kept me from it. So how free am I to use this as a reference or rather what do you mean by new being new?

[exotic tulip]

Use it as a reference however you want, you can copy it exactly as it is, ask questions about it. In any way it can help you. Also by new i mean new to building in wwm. Overall its just ideas ppl can use in thier own world or guild

[exotic tulip]

can be an entrance design in your backyard

another roof

[sonic gate]

thats nice

[sonic gate]

but in this pic it looks like a small roof

and guild bases r big so why did u make a small roof?

[exotic tulip]

yea but you can extent its just the basic layout

its just a reference you can make it as long or big as you want, make an L shape or square it works either way

[sonic gate]

if u were to extend it then the flat part of the roof would be too long

[sonic gate]

okay

[exotic tulip]

yea i only made it small so that it doest cost much

you can make it wider if you want

[sonic gate]

so r u making small structures in ur base?

[exotic tulip]

yea just testing and sharing what design i can figure out

like the title say its a building ideas lmao

[sonic gate]

ur good at it

roof building is the hardest thing in the game

atleast for me

[exotic tulip]

its wonky thats why im doing test before making a big castle for the guild lmao

[sonic gate]

by castle u mean the western style where the castle is a single large structure or the eastern style where the castle is like a big fortified town

[exotic tulip]

im planning on making a big cylinder tower with 4-5 floors

somthing like this

[sonic gate]

ooh

i wonder how u gonna make the roof like that

[exotic tulip]

instead of having the same radius itll be bigger on the bottom and gradually get smaller to the top

[sonic gate]

oh wait u can

[sonic gate]

how big r we talking?

[exotic tulip]

to make it circular its gonna look like a octagon each side is gon be 6 stone floor wide

ill show more when i get it started

[sonic gate]

either make it 8 tiles wide or 4

[runic cairn]

Is there anyway for objects to emit actual light?

The lanterns just glow by themselves. They don't emit light.

[exotic tulip]

yeah its more noticable at night

[supple prawn]

I like your module design of roof, really classic

[lucid mural]

Nope at least for now. Have been wondering about that as well.

[sonic gate]

u guys got any ceiling idea

[exotic tulip]

Ill try to do some today

[sonic gate]

lmk how that goes

[exotic tulip]

also what do you mean by ceiling?

[sonic gate]

if u enter a house a look up u see the ceiling

like this

[exotic tulip]

i mainly do old chinese buildings so mainly wood havent tried making modern houses yet

usually for ceiling i just do beams and supports or just add a wood floor

[sonic gate]

for cn houses

[sonic gate]

hmm okay

[exotic tulip]

beam + supports and some type of floor but we dont have those yet so we dont have much of an option

[sonic gate]

i was wondering if anyone had been succesful in making some sort of design

for the celeing

just wooden flooring seems kinda plain

[exotic tulip]

i mean for now theres not a lot of option but i will try some see if i can make something nice

[exotic tulip]

this like the only thing i can think of for now, theres not enough floor to make other ceiling works, other thank just having open with support beams

[sonic gate]

looks way better than normal ceilings

whats ur id?

ill add u if its okay with u

[exotic tulip]

1048206883 feel free to add and ask questions anytime

Top brass Tea Time

[lucid mural]

@sonic gate You mean something like this right?

[exotic tulip]

yea just open support beams

[lucid mural]

the more interesting question is for immersions sake: which of the columns get brackets and which don't. Afaik all would get brackets if the beams were load-bearing, right?

[exotic tulip]

ideally all of them should, specially if they have support brackets

[exotic tulip]

floating island idea

[sonic gate]

Damnn ill use this for my base too

[sonic gate]

Yeah

[sonic gate]

Damnn

[lucid mural]

Maybe look into tailiang and chuandou roof structures as a guiding principle and the bay (jian) system of classical/traditional chinese architecture. Together that should lead to a good looking ceiling I think.

btw. those diagonal beams I got ain't got no business being there

[lucid mural]

Also if you're interested in traditional building maybe have a look at

Liu, J., & Wu, Z. K. (2015). Rule-based generation of ancient Chinese architecture from the song dynasty. Journal on Computing and Cultural Heritage (JOCCH), 9(2), 1-22.

Only had a quick glance at it, but the figures look somewhat inspiring.

[sonic gate]

interesting

so theres no celing right

its like lots of wooden beams

[lucid mural]

Maybe lore-accurate (historical) building in wwm should get its own thread. Question is how many ppl would be interested in such discussions

[sonic gate]

in a nice pattern

[sonic gate]

r u knowledgeable abt these stuff?

i would love to get ur input on my project that am building currently

[lucid mural]

it's only the structural carpentry (da muzuo) i.e. all the structural components both load-bearing and stuff that is structural but not load-bear as tie-beams. walls and ceilings do not bear any structural load so they aren't included in the figure.

[sonic gate]

oh

[lucid mural]

Not really, certainly not by trade or formal education. Look for Yu Shuishuan's lecture on history of chinese architecture. It's on YT. The most relevant part would be anything on the Tang dynasty.

Apart from that look for comments on or the translation of the Yingzao Fashi (treatise on architectural methods)

[lucid mural]

You find stuff like this in there

[sonic gate]

well the downside is that these pics r based on real world where physics is needed

in the game a framework isnt needed

only the looks matter

[lucid mural]

Yeah but that only means it isn't necessary. Doesn't mean you can't do it

[lucid mural]

Yes but the framework can to some extent guide the final look.

[sonic gate]

haha i would do that but now beams hv become very costly

[lucid mural]

Also it helps with player-built structures not feeling out-of-place next to buildings designed by the devs according to historical examples

[sonic gate]

bfore the patch timber could be converted to raw ore

now u cant

[sonic gate]

but the framework will be covered so even if its absent how would that affect the looks

found smth nice

[lucid mural]

That building doesn't have a separate ceiling so you can actually see the beams from below. But at least the lowest grid of beams has an impact as you place the ceiling on top of them. Just like in the picture you posted

[lucid mural]

That's from the paper I referred to

[sonic gate]

ohhh

[sonic gate]

yeah i searched it up

[dusk spindle]

interesting

[sonic gate]

learning cn architecture from him

[lucid mural]

Also you have to bear in mind that roofs that are not exclusively gable structures are off-limit to 'simple' folk. Hip(?) structures were only allowed for public state buildings, state-sponsored religious and aristocratic estates.

[sonic gate]

wdym by gable structures?

[lucid mural]

Those without any cornered roofs

[sonic gate]

so the type (h) from the pic i sent?

[lucid mural]

No type a and b

[sonic gate]

but h doesnt hv any corner

[lucid mural]

I know sry should've said for ridges roofs

[sonic gate]

so hving ridge = off limit to simple folk?

[lucid mural]

But although there are buildings like the rural hakka houses of Fujian, generally you don't see any circular houses for habitation with commoners

[sonic gate]

okay

[lucid mural]

No, for common folk a house having a ridge must not have a hipped roof structure

[sonic gate]

what does hipped mean?

[lucid mural]

having more than two directions in which it is sloped probably would be a way to define it. Basically all the buildings with marked with an x have such a roof

[sonic gate]

ohh got it now

[lucid mural]

not sure about pavilions and buildings without ridges. Still I find it unlikely that you'd find circular homes in mainstream Chinese architecture (except for the aforementioned Hakka and such). Especially post Yingzao Fashi as that kinda codified and standardised Chinese architecture from the 11th century onward.

[sonic gate]

so if i were to build a cn castle should i not include circular roofed buildings in it?

[lucid mural]

@exotic tulip sorry for cluttering your thread.

[lucid mural]

Well no as a castle would be a palatial structure or at least an estate. Technically there is still the whole distinction between the extended family of the ruling dynasty and other aristocracy limiting the number of bays as far as I know. As a general rule have a look at Kaifeng. What are the buildings that have cornered roofs and what are those without.

Unless you are talking about a fortress in the sense of a purely fortifying structure without any authority over a region or governmental function.

[sonic gate]

shouldnt a temple be included in a palace

[lucid mural]

Oh sry didn't read your message correctly. Yes you are free to build circular buildings in a castle. Technically you could build one outside of it as well as it would be counted as a ritualistic/religious building.

@sonic gate we should probably move this whole conversation on another thread for the sake of JiShin's sanity when they come on and discovers what happened to this thread. Might set one up tonight. Gotta see. Have got a thesis to write after all.

[sonic gate]

okay

[sonic gate]

sure

sry jishin

[exotic tulip]

pretty much what we can do right now. other than that itll be just plain and simple

[exotic tulip]

nah youre good. this is for purely ideas, not just mine, share anything you guys know. this threat is here to help

[sonic gate]

technically we can make designs on the celing using blocks

can make a chandelier too using lanterns

[lucid mural]

kinda drowns out the actual design ideas though

[exotic tulip]

ill pin the images so ppl can still look

nvm cant pinn lol

[lucid mural]

thought as much

[lucid mural]

#1461009824086229052 here you go

[knotty sand]

How about Sieheyuan style house ? Anyone has similar idea or maybe have built it, let me see, I havent even started building, kinda waiting for the new features in case it has more advanced building structures or other new things.

[lucid mural]

There probably will be changes to the system and more available in the future like all the objects for guild building. Having said that, it can't hurt tinkering around with the building system for a bit to get the hang of it.

[plush pawn]

Hard to make custom stuff in this system but ain't too bad, nice ideas!

[lucid mural]

Kinda feel like it lends itself better to traditional Chinese styles and building compositions

Or do you mean more along the lines of not using dev-made blueprints rather than a custom style mixing modern influences and styles from elsewhere like Europe with traditional architecture?

[plush pawn]

@lucid mural I mean just to be able to mix furniture pieces to create different looking, like use couches, pillows and little wood pieces to create a sofa or mix and put together walls to create artistic designs. You can do that in Elders scroll online but here is very difficult due to the system. I still love it and I'm getting used to it.

[lucid mural]

Hm kinda depends on what you're doing. If we're talking about whole pieces of furniture yeah. But cluttering the place with little items sure works well here as well doesn't it?

@exotic tulip I am fully aware that I have been forwarding this thing around some threads already. Yet ... wouldn't this be one of those building ideas the thread is meant for?

[plush pawn]

@lucid mural yeah and kind of, problem is that you can't like insert a piece of furniture or structure inside another one freely, so that's the limitation that ESO doesn't have.

[lucid mural]

Not even using the repositioning tool?

[plush pawn]

@lucid mural nope, when you grab an already positioned piece, it moves out and land in their starting position 😢

I just build a custom sofa lol, not perfect but ain't that bad

[lucid mural]

You have to press z (QWERTY keyboard) to confirm it

[lucid mural]

Did you make any progress on that pagoda?

[plush pawn]

@lucid mural Ps5 version of this game is broken, we don't have some construction options available on PC, way difficult for us! I hope devs fix this issues soon

[lucid mural]

What is missing? Probably the repositioning tool I guess?

Nvmd this is about the messages above right?

[plush pawn]

Like we don't have those green, blue, red arrows option, I guess that's the reposition option

We cannot grab pieces in the guild base after we set them, we need to recycle them and try again

[lucid mural]

Same with the mobile version. Totally got used to relying on being able to move placed assets. But there are some tricks I used beforehand.

For example I know how you can get the lattice doors to snap in the proper place when using doorframes

[lucid mural]

Guild base in general (even on pc) doesn't have the move tool afaik

[plush pawn]

@lucid mural oh, ok got it

[lucid mural]

I'm not in a guild so I only do solo builds.

Not having the move/repositioning tool makes some stuff nigh impossible like the prefab roofs, but other stuff just becomes tedious and more difficult, like brackets for example

[plush pawn]

@lucid mural man I've seen some of your pictures, you went crazy, your build is looking very impressive

[lucid mural]

Thanks, much appreciated. Have you seen the disclaimer in the jade mirror pond build?

[plush pawn]

@lucid mural and that's why I'm trying to go simple with my structure building, is frustrating lol

[lucid mural]

Sure is but I can't think of another way to get the hang of it. Ever learned to play the guitar. Doesn't work without your fingers hurting ... a lot

[plush pawn]

@lucid mural not I haven't seen the disclaimer, where I can take a look?

[lucid mural]

#1456971613194031104 have a look at the title

[plush pawn]

Lol, u right

[lucid mural]

Also having brackets on your columns is a fairly simple way to improve immersion compared to all the other bending over backwards stuff to try to make something look impressive.