Jade Mirror Pond Estate (WIP, away till after Easter)

[lavish trout]

Trying to build a somewhat authentic estate in this game in spite of the current restrictions to assets.

The general idea is to have a main hall and lots of pavilions hugging the cliffside. Let's see where we'll end up.

Special thanks to @wide furnace for teaching all of us how to build stairs.

[wide furnace]

glad it helps! 😄

[lavish trout]

ngl without knowing how to build stairs besides using the assests I'd be stuck on single-floor pavilions^^

[lavish trout]

Does anyone know how to set up proper support beams for ceilings in this game? I am well aware that gravity isn't a thing here. But I'm curious how to build such stuff in-game nonetheless.

[wide furnace]

woah ive never thought about building a proper ceilings

[lavish trout]

Although in my case "proper" ceilings would be more fitting a term. There actually are a lot of brackets not connected to the 2nd floor tiles. Mostly because I only remembered the whole support beam while working on the 3rd floor.

I'm not even sure whether to recommend doing it. It is a resource drain and produces a lot of asset clutter after all.

[lavish trout]

As far as properly supported ceilings and floors go: This should suffice I think

[wide furnace]

how do you place the lantern on water?

[lavish trout]

Placed an indoor floor tile at the lower edge of the stone foundation and extended that into the lake. Then I just placed the lanterns on top of them and recycled the floors

[rapid quartz]

bob the builder here

[opaque raven]

I am also having trouble building the stairs, I even saw a video on a YouTube channel where he built the staircase stone by stone, but I wanted a more efficient way to do it

[lavish trout]

Did you already look at Ipan's stuff?

[lavish trout]

If your are specifically looking for a more efficient way to build stairs you might need to wait for the estate update. As it is now custom stairs are finicky and cumbersome imo. But once you get the hang of it it at least isn't bothersome.

[sour shell]

Hi, I got into building recently and I'm kinda going insane building roof, how did you built this so nicely?

[lavish trout]

Which part of the roof do you mean? Top or bottom of the roof structure?

[sour shell]

in the first pic, the corner part it goes up smoothly

[lavish trout]

Also if you are relatively new to building I'd advise against using gables and building roofs more akin to the hanging pavilions I got

[lavish trout]

oh I see give me a minute and I can maybe give you some screenshots

[lavish trout]

you mean the roof corner or the (corner) brackets

Do you mean these?

[sour shell]

I can't send pic here?

[lavish trout]

gotta be lvl 5

[sour shell]

my english does not suffice for this, Imma ask AI

[lavish trout]

nvmd should've read your message more carefully. You mean the slope of the roof?

[sour shell]

yep

[lavish trout]

I see well. do you struggle with the first row (bottom) of roof tiles generally?

[sour shell]

I'm just struggle with corner snapping when I build up

the corner piece with the big cylinder

[lavish trout]

so these basically?

they snap perfectly to the normal roof tiles

Does this help?

[sour shell]

it's seems like I have a different set of pieces

same name, different models

and I'm sorry for saying the first pic, more like the 10th

maybe playing the lite version affected these pieces

[lavish trout]

those are the roof tiles I use

[sour shell]

ah, they just looked completely different

color wise

[lavish trout]

which colour are yours?

[sour shell]

a mix of black, brick color, rust and moss

but they work fine

[lavish trout]

those?

[sour shell]

no no, the same pieces in the pic you send me, same name and everything

just messed up texture

[lavish trout]

Sounds to specific for a mess up to me. Anyways did this help with the snapping issue?

[sour shell]

yes, snapping well and all

just gonna looks a bit weird

thanks a lot man

you want a pic of the roof?

[lavish trout]

can you already post pictures?

[sour shell]

no, I can do a lil dm

[lavish trout]

Then grind that server rank for a bit set up a thread and link it in this thread with @me, so all of us can have a look at it

[sour shell]

man that's gonna be a while but ok, anyways appreciate your help a lot!

[lavish trout]

@wide furnace I am well aware that you are quite able to produce good quality in other things besides stairs. Like letting the general surroundings/nature govern a build rather than excessive planning and rigid formalism. But the ship of not being the stairs-guy(?) in my mind has long sailed buddy. Thing is I have no clue who else to refer ppl to when they start talking about stairs.

[wide furnace]

dont worry, i just made another stairs video that looks better imo hahahah

#📺media message

[lavish trout]

movement of placed assets AND no collision on free cam ... I must be dreamin'

[signal bloom]

hi guys i found a link to this video for roofs hope it helps
https://www.douyin.com/video/7521587411894193423

[lavish trout]

that repositioning thing and the snap toggle really is a god-sent

found a way to turn those chairs into ones you can actually sit on

[shell shale]

Oh, how ?

[wide furnace]

thats very helpful, thanks

[lavish trout]

just align them perfectly the chair used to be bugged for me but since the update I can place it

Also got another small 3-bay tailiang pavilion in the making

[lavish trout]

Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents P*** Poor Performance. It truly is getting crowded

[scenic pivot]

I'm confused with new UI. How can you save what you build?

[lavish trout]

what do you mean by save? when moving built objects?

[scenic pivot]

yes. the old UI there's blueprint

[lavish trout]

Aehm I haven't used blueprints since early December.

[scenic pivot]

How can you save what you build?

I mean the design

[lavish trout]

I don't set up the build in a blueprint but rather directly build.

[scenic pivot]

I was able to save before easy then I can build the copy anytime.

Nvm. can't create blueprint in guild base

[lavish trout]

Had a glimpse at it. Mostly the collection of different roof types. Helps with ideas. Probably fantastic for learning how to build them too. But I kinda felt like I was spoiling the surprise of how to build them. At least for now. Thanks anyways

[shell shale]

Hum, it seems it works only for some of the chairs ? I want to be able to sit on the deckchair (second one in chair variants), but I cant make it work ...

[lavish trout]

The idea kinda relies on 2 objects with compatible models of which one becomes the functional and the other the cosmetic part.

[lavish trout]

in this case the cosmetic part is the 2 chair arrangement found in the desk section (afaik) and the chair is the same model as those chairs.

[shell shale]

Oh ok, interresting trick, but won't help me in my case ... Shame, I have a deckchair in my house perfect to watch the sunset but I'm not able to relax in it ... XD

[zenith sorrel]

Your design for school in Jianghu, great job

[lavish trout]

Current state of the building. And with the whole repositioning of placed objects I finally am also able to build good-looking stairs

[weak chasm]

@lavish trout Do you have a Youtube channel? Or videos about how you build the way it is?

@lavish trout Do you also have an effective way to farm the materials to continue building?

[lavish trout]

Are you talking about the general concepts or like fiddling around with the building mechanics of the game? Depending on your answer you won't actually need any videos of me showing you how to build this.

[lavish trout]

timber yes. But that's the easy part. I just use the season shop boxes for ore and the 198 you get from the shops in Qinghe and Kaifeng. Apart from that I'm just collecting rocks

[weak chasm]

Fiddling around with the mechanics.

[weak chasm]

I see. As for the rocks, any specific place as your go to to collect?

[lavish trout]

The Buddha construction site naturally and probably north and south of halo mountain are couple of good spots.

[lavish trout]

Alright was hoping it was the other one. Currently I don't have any explanatory videos. And I still have to debate whether to create some.

With the introduction of the repositioning tool, you should be able to make snapping work for you though. Apart from that just experiment with the system. This does I think require a bit of planning though. You probably at least need a mental picture of what you want to build before going through trial and error.

[weak chasm]

Thank you for your feedbacks and guidance.

[lavish trout]

@weak chasm Would something along those lines help?

[crystal walrus]

How do I do this?

[lavish trout]

Is that the step where you need help or more of a general question?

[crystal walrus]

How do I build that roof shape at that angle? I tried, but it didn’t look right

[lavish trout]

Do you mean camera angle or positioning of the object? The camera angle is only to provide a picture of the state of the building at that step

When placing that roof corner try to have the curser located on the outer tip of the corner bracket or the outer corner of the floor tile at that corner. Also you can use the move option in the r menu for adjustments after placing it

[crystal walrus]

That’s it, thank you!

[soft depot]

how do you get the blocks to have those xyz axis?

[lavish trout]

press r and select the move option

[soft depot]

been trying to figure that out, now i can actually do better builds for once LMAO

[weak chasm]

Yes. This will help. Thank you. 🙇‍♂️

[lavish trout]

In that case I could provide something similar for elements you're interested in

[lavish trout]

Are you interested in anyt specific element related to the build?

[weak chasm]

I'd like to know the purpose of the ones you place like these?

[weak chasm]

Also this.

Are these for aesthetic or do they hold something down?

[lavish trout]

That is forwarded from another thread have a look at that thread

oh sry you meant specific pictures?

it just send me to the post

do you mean the horizontal beams in the ceiling and the bracket structures on top of the columns?

[weak chasm]

Yes, those ones.

[lavish trout]

So ... tldr is nothing in this game is structurally significant. Long answer it has to do with how chinese traditional architecture works irl. Brackets on top of columns for example were used to anchor the diagonal beams the roof was resting on. Maybe have a look at #1461009824086229052 And if you have questions regarding brackets and so on ask them in that thread. Questions like these is exactly what I set that thread up for

[weak chasm]

I see now. Alright. Will check it out. Thank you for your guidance.

[wide furnace]

a builds where the builders truly understand the traditional chinese structure. Well done!

[lavish trout]

Thanks. To be honest I also understand it well enough to know the issues. Did you notice that for the main building there are an even number of spaces between the columns on the ground floor?

[wide furnace]

it looks perfect to me 😂

[lavish trout]

There is actually a very practical reason for an uneven number of bays on the front of the building.
Makes it really easy not to have a column right through what would be your main entrance.

But then again I put some effort into hiding that the front actually has an even number of two-tile-width bays.

[wide furnace]

i gotta see it in person lol, whats your wwm id

[lavish trout]

2067415356, don't have much time today though. You on?

[wide furnace]

dont worry, ill visit when ure free, doesnt have to be today

[lavish trout]

This is one incredibly sophisticated set of ladders coming with a couple of hours of building attached to it.

[sharp niche]

Wow that’s a cool design!

[lavish trout]

It is. Not sure if I'd recommend it though. Lots of issues to work around, really finicky in general and object-heavy as well.

Really forces you to grow as a builder I think.

[dreamy path]

that pagoda is divine

the overall build is really nice

I love the fact you kept structure integrity in mind, and have beams and so on

i tried doing something similar in the same place but i kept it on stand by for a lot of time

i've completed it yesterday but i can't share it because of the lvl cap -.-

Anyway it's suspended on the mountain side.
Any chance i can drop by in your world and check the architecture you used to make this?

[lavish trout]

Granted it does look like a pagoda but technically it's only a tower, as it doesn't have any ritual function.

The motivation behind it literally was how do I hide a couple of ladders

[lavish trout]

Yeah especially brackets and tie beams visible after the building is done. Beams not visible in the final state of the building are pretty much a waste of material though as someone already remarked.

[lavish trout]

Yeah maybe some time. Posted my id somewhere above

[lavish trout]

This thing is gonna be the end of me. Anyways 2-3 storeys to go and then I'll have to figure out how to put a roof on this.

[potent saffron]

Its so cool

[dreamy path]

Is the tower empty inside or you can climb it?

[lavish trout]

Literally just a glorified façade for a bunch of ladders ... at least for now

[lavish trout]

what's your ID?

[lavish trout]

Thanks if you have any questions regarding the hows or whys behind the build feel free to ask.

[lavish trout]

It finally reached it's last floor. This is the current state of the estate. Impressive as it might seem (at least to me) it technically isn't done. But for now it probably won't be updated for a while as starting from most likely next week I will be on a hiatus from the game till Easter.

As you can see quite a lot of stuff left to do.

Jade Mirror Pond Estate (WIP, away till after Easter)

[lavish trout]

@dreamy path sry btw you'll have to wait till after Easter to visit. But don't delete your Jade Mirror Pond build I still wanna have a look at it.

[dreamy path]

Oh

no worries

i won't delete it, I may even build more around it when i have time. Depends thouggh

[lavish trout]

@restive quartz Both ladders mostly in the lower half and then transitioning to stairs from the 4th floor onwards

[lavish trout]

@restive quartz Regarding the question of of how. I used horizontal beams mostly for the stairs, although I do have stairs built using a few different approaches throughout the overall build.

[restive quartz]

Sorry for the late reply bro
And thanks for the help

And I somehow solved the issue with a triangular shaped roof by tilting the roof tiles but it left some gaps so I overlapped them using move tool

It is using more energy and materials so that's the downside and I used up all my energy

[lavish trout]

which corner tiles did you use to have the raised corners? Only way that works I can imagine is by rotating them inwardly so the upper end points outward away from the wall.

[restive quartz]

I used " ordinary roof " tiles which have 5 different variations from flattened one to sloped one

I use one with best slope

[lavish trout]

But did you rotate that around the z axis so it slopes upward?

Like that southern/Song moon slope thingy?

[restive quartz]

I couldn't get it exactly like the song mon slope with little curve at the edges of the corner
I simply made it perfectly triangle

[lavish trout]

usually if you got the triangle I think you should be able to soften the slope. From what I gather your approach should in theory also work for these roofs from the picture above

[restive quartz]

Yeah it can work I guess but if you are into details like those stone ridge it might not work or you have to do it manually with move tool

[restive quartz]

I can show them to you if you want in dm

They aren't perfect but they work

[lavish trout]

Have you dm's disabled as well?

[restive quartz]

No i am not
Let me check

[restive quartz]

Well I just checked and I am not disabled

I tried sending you a friend request

But it says you are not accepting any friend requests

[lavish trout]

I've sent you one

[lavish trout]

@harsh dawn before we bury AcEIDiaMon's thread in messages, let's switch to this one maybe. What sorta styles are you interested in?

[harsh dawn]

Hmmm mine currently still a garden concept

U can come visit

[lavish trout]

Solo or in the guild base?

[harsh dawn]

Guild base - GarlicGarden

[lavish trout]

hm I see. only the landscaping or pavilions and generally buildings as well?

[harsh dawn]

No buildings as of now. Mostly landscapes and pavillions

Also a psuedo natural hot spring 🤣

[lavish trout]

Any plans for adjusting it for buildings in the future?

[harsh dawn]

Might build 1 or 2 later down the road. The base is huge anyways.

[lavish trout]

Using the lake?

[harsh dawn]

Nope the tree

[restive quartz]

Hey bro
How long did it take you to build this ?

[lavish trout]

60-80 hrs I think did other stuff in-game as well but I was working on it from Jan 3rd to 25th although only the main hall was constructed the other pavilions on the first badge of pictures was built in December but one of them has already been reworked and the other pavilions also still need a rework

Well maybe 60 is a bit low for the lower boundary but certainly less than 100hrs

[lavish trout]

Just hoping that I don't loose my edge over the next 1-2 months away from the game

[slim moss]

It looks fantastic my guy.

[lavish trout]

If you got any questions regarding it ask away

[restive quartz]

Amazing bro

@lavish trout
Well bro did you hit stamina caps in between builds ?

Recently this has become my main problem 😭

[lavish trout]

Not necessarily. I was doing boss runs and questing in-between so I never went below 750 or somehting like that. Also I was (and still am) writing/working on my thesis so during the day I was away from the game for hours.

[restive quartz]

Guess I will do same

I don't like studying 😭

[lavish trout]

Generally or just in the context of formal education?

[restive quartz]

Can I say both

[lavish trout]

So generally then

[restive quartz]

Well you can say that

[dreamy path]

This IS so good i constantly come back here for inspiration

[lavish trout]

Thanks, you know that feeling when looking at something and you catch yourself staring, like for a while ... just looking at it? Every once in a while I pass trough here and look at the screenshots too.

[dreamy path]

I have an issue, i tried recreating your wall styles and windows and made mine slightly different

But i notice you have a wooden frame and inside you use windows

[lavish trout]

Hm ok is it about vertical alignment?

[dreamy path]

But above you have a semi wall or something on top of it

[lavish trout]

Or the tiny gaps without the frame?

Oh I see yeah so you first put down the frame then put in the windows and make sure that they are well aligned. Then you place the beam (or tie-beam you have to look where you find these) on top of the frame and move it downwards

[dreamy path]

I cant upload pics due to the level constraints

I placed the beam and moved it down

[lavish trout]

There are a couple of tricks to use when not having access to the move tool.

[dreamy path]

The part i cannot find is the piece you place on top of that

It's more visible in your tower screenshots

[lavish trout]

Above the window frames?

[dreamy path]

Wait I'll DM you the picture

Nvm i cant dm you due to your settings

[lavish trout]

So basically from the windows upwards it's a tie beam (with the pattern) a horizontal beam (the wooden one) and then a square wall

[dreamy path]

Here

Oh the square wall I'm missing

I can't find the one you used

Did you mix in another beam in/on it as well?

[lavish trout]

On the square wall?

[dreamy path]

Yes

[lavish trout]

Usually not iirc. Floors should snap to them. What I did do though in the older sections is place two flat horizontal beams one behind the other (i.e. double width) where the square wall connects to the structure below to hide misfits.

[dreamy path]

I'll have to try that

Thank you very much

One more thing

Well... Actually two

1st i noticed that in between the window sections

There looks like theres an extra beam for better separation?

Or is that just the wooden frame

[lavish trout]

Petty much still generally follow this method. Except for door frames to use as a frame for windows.

[dreamy path]

Can't tell if you added a beam for better delimitation

[lavish trout]

So the frames directly touch one another but yeah there is a beam there.

[dreamy path]

Well you kind of shown me an answer to question two without meaning to

My build in the jade pond, the suspended one is red themed

I wanted to make the same at the foot of the mountains

But i ended up following your colour scheme, because it has more choice in walls and windows

Just wondered if you came up with any particular wall design that was red wood themed

[lavish trout]

@Pato already had a look at this? Also incidentally addresses the use of square walls

Problem with red lacquered walls is the roof. There currently are no small red wood tiles

[dreamy path]

This is exactly what i meant! No I don't think I read your guide yet. I may have commented on the forum but not actively followed it or read it all 😄

[dreamy path]

At the moment I am fine with the black ones, i actually really like them too so

[lavish trout]

To be clear I meant the wooden rafters. There aren't any that are painted red

[dreamy path]

True

One last question

Also don't mind me spamming messages this way

I am also taking advantage of this

To farm exp

With the move menu, can you rotate?

[lavish trout]

No problem

[dreamy path]

I noticed you can micro adjust position in x y z

[lavish trout]

Should be able to. Afaik it's bound to the mouse wheel

[dreamy path]

But not seen a rotation switch

Oh

I have not tried the mouse wheel at all

Thought it wasn't doable

I'll have to try it out tomorrow

Thank you very much Fei

If by any chance you ever drop a YT Guide with all of this info

I'll be sure to watch it as well

[lavish trout]

Happy to help

[dreamy path]

Ayyy I'm finally level 5

This discussion helped me in so many ways

[lavish trout]

Well we'll have to see I guess. But most likely I'll leave that in the capable hands of the content creators amongst us builders.

[lavish trout]

Ooh gonna be on the lookout for your build then. Drop a forward in here if you like. It's a jade mirror pond as well after all.

[lavish trout]

Have you had a look on duoyin or tiktok?

[sour cove]

Nice job on the placement of the dougong! As far as I can tell you've got the structure of the roof correct, although the game doesn't have every bracket type actually needed (for diagonal beams especially)

The move tool doesn't seem to work when building inside a guild base, so when I placed mine I had to basically build platforms for them to get them to align with vertical columns

[lavish trout]

@sour cove that guide should work without the move tool. Full guide is in the thread from where this was forwarded

[lavish trout]

Problem with the roof is actually that the small tiles only really approximately fit the Liao style as they simply are nowhere near the raised eaves of the southern/song style

[sour cove]

Ah yes, this platform method is exactly what I also came up with lol

Think it's because it's not really possible to design eaves with a noticeable flare that adhere to the tiling/snapping system the game wants you to use, hence the flat ends

[lavish trout]

Think it would be possible of they introduced the assets for it. You would have tiles for the corner and edge tiles adjusted so they lead into the raised corner.

[lavish trout]

Moreover it doesn't have different diameters for the cai-fen beams so the whole matching grades (beam diameter) to building sizes doesn't work.

[sour cove]

Yeah, I think you end up having to clip them through each other to make up the length difference unfortunately )-:

The building system in WWM probably has the most potential for authentic timber architecture that I've seen, but it's so close yet so far in some ways

[lavish trout]

The issue is that it means we only have like 2-3 different sizes of of brackets, whereas 8 categories (1 per caifen size) of brackets would be needed. That leads to these situations of having beehive like bracket setups where the diameters of the gong elements are far to small

If you mean the brackets, clipping is the smaller issue at least clipping of multiple brackets that are intertwined

[lavish trout]

Yes although I fear that we will see more prefabs and big elements rather than the, albeit far more complicated and less beginner-friendly, solution I outlined.

[dreamy path]

This is what i've been working on today, your tips from last night helped a lot. I also decided to keep to the red theme, even though if was more challenging. I made up some designs for walls and such and it fit

And it's still not done

[dreamy path]

I only seen a single video

That someone linked in this discord

[lavish trout]

Not sure if you already wrote it somewhere. But are you on PC or PS5/mobile?

[dreamy path]

Pc

[lavish trout]

That looks fantastic took me a moment to realise what you did with the gable roof.

[dreamy path]

Thank you! This is a pretty cheatty way of fitting that roof to be honest

I tried to make it manually myself

But the shape was a problem

As I couldn't find a fitting "wall" for the sides

[lavish trout]

Yeah that's a tough thing to do.

U gonna add the brackets on all sides of the building or just the east-facing wall?

I also see that you got inspired to include something very similar to the design element I am the most conflicted about in my build

Love your use of the teal tie beams. They fit perfectly.

[lavish trout]

What I was wondering about is what it looked like if it were lowered into the roof so it would maybe smoothly transition from one roof type to another.

Not sure though whether that works with clipping and such.

[turbid eagle]

nice

[lavish trout]

I'm overall surprised how little the absence of red lacquered columns hurts the build.

@dreamy path you gonna set it up with its very own thread once you are done or do you wanna do a thread documenting the progress?

[lavish trout]

Yeah really like what Pato did with the location.

[signal mesa]

Nice!

[sour cove]

Oh wow, the staggered double roof here reminds me of the irimoya roof on the Shishinden

[gray mulch]

Nice!

[dreamy path]

On all

[dreamy path]

What do you mean?

[dreamy path]

Yes initially my build was very similar to yours but then i changed it from the ground up

[dreamy path]

I tried that too, but do to size difference the clipping on the sides was awful

[dreamy path]

Yes, the build i have planned is pretty huge overall, so I'll make a separated thread when it's done, but I would also like to keep some updates here from time to time, especially when i am stuck and need advice hehe

[dreamy path]

Which elements are you referring by the way

Thank you all! (And sorry for the spam hehe)

[lavish trout]

Sry rafters not column was talking about the roof tiles

[dreamy path]

I must say I got lucky there

Because i didn't plan properly for it

And that premade roof came in clutch

[lavish trout]

the pillars of the gallery running around the building on the ground floor. I think I made it work on my build but for a long while I was on the fence about it, leaning toward these being a mistake.

[dreamy path]

Oh yeah, that was entirely "borrowed" from you

I've added that teal beam because without, it looked too "naked" in a sense, and were not that pleasant to see

I need to fix the laterals though, I don't like that clipping

[lavish trout]

Only thing that fixed it for me and made it look less like a wild west porch was adding the stone railing

[dreamy path]

I added the stine railings as well yesterday

Sadly i have very little time to play. So I'm still very far off from the build I was imagining

I really like your tower and i wanted to make one as well

I just need to decide the position. Currently I'm considering the same position you have, or on the other side of the pond where it's currently pretty empty

[dreamy path]

I was wondering, where you have the handrails in your tower on the second floor. Are those walkable balconies or just for looks?

And second question is do you have any tips for indoor stairs?

I tried yesterday something but due to the colour scheme restrictions, they look very out of place

[lavish trout]

the upper ones yeah at least within the segments, the lower ones less so. But still it's more than just decoration. As the doors function pretty much the same as - idk - French windows (?), it made sense to me to include the handrails. Same with the 2nd floor of the main building.

[lavish trout]

horizontal beams? place three horizontally, place another one on top of the last and move the middle one so it sits at half the height.

[lavish trout]

Have you tested that using the red beam or the green one?

Also about the colour of stairs have you looked at what colour the stairs inside the construction site at the imperial garden are?

[dreamy path]

Nop but that is a good tip

[dreamy path]

Not yet, I will have to experiment a bit when i can play

[dire cobalt]

👍

[zealous bronze]

@lavish trout can i copy your build? i want to build my guildhouse

[lavish trout]

Of course. Question is whether you want to, because depending on what features you want to recreate the experience can differ vastly. If you want to build the pagoda, this might be a world of pain. Brackets, roofs and such should be easy even without the move tool (unless that was finally released for guild bases), but the roof of the pagoda is pretty much impossible without it. Regarding brackets I got somewhat of a guide forwarded above. Roofs should be easy

[unreal oxide]

you can only make a diagram up to 500 pieces for now.

[lavish trout]

Is creating something as a diagram forced for guild bases? Like in solo using diagrams is entirely optional

[unreal oxide]

not really, but since you cant use the "move tool" yet in guild base, building some of it in own world and then copy it into guild base can be easyere

[lavish trout]

you can create a template for a single floor of the pagoda. I assume that should be less than 500 pieces

[unreal oxide]

but guild base do offer many more pieces to play with and you can "steal" pieces from the guild base premade diagrams, as they have items we dont on own world.

[lavish trout]

yes true but still you can adjust the thing so you get a frame to complete. Like only a frame for a single level of the pagoda: floor frame, empty frame for the walls, pillars with brackets, entire roof for that floor. As long as you account for size of windows and doors and such, you should be fine I guess. Stairs can be added later together with all the details. Snapping can be toggled off?

"Copying" in a strict sense doesn't work anyway due to topography.

[unreal oxide]

Did you hit the 5k cap in that build area, or did you overcome it in some way?

[lavish trout]

Nope used Ash's test with those Buddhist chandelier thingy. Not even close. I only tested the pagoda area though

but that is without any interior decorations. Creating a 7-9 floor tower might actually not be that expensive to build question is how densely you pack it with furniture and decoration

[unreal oxide]

thats true decor do suck up alot of the cap

[lavish trout]

Also, @zealous bronze most of the buildings aren't that remarkable (besides the pagoda maybe). Imo the reason the build looks so well is due to overall composition and layout. And probably because of somewhat sticking to cultural building norms. I.e. using brackets, bay-centered layouts, overhanging eaves, courtyard layout and so on.

@unreal oxide But you did get what I was going on about with the whole frame of one level of the pagoda thing?

[unreal oxide]

you build frame for the building, then you diagram that and move to X spot and you can easy add walls and windows

since walls and windows can easy snap in

[lavish trout]

yeah and since the pagoda has the same set-up per floor you just need the diagram for a single floor

[unreal oxide]

your just waiting on the building market to open then to upload building plans then 🙂

[lavish trout]

truly the WMM version of industrial prefab apartment blocks

hell no too much effort I'll just chill build and post screenshots and have everyone work themselves to reproduce it. Also it's not that hard. Once you get the hang of it it only takes some time to build.

I got no issue explaining how to build something, or create guide threads, but the building ppl got to do themselves

[unreal oxide]

adding the brackets itself can be a major hassels as they dont always auto snap to the right place on the pillers

and ontop of that the roof holding pieces, snap in a totally wrong spot aswell

but even without move tool there are ways around that

[lavish trout]

You saw the guide I posted, right? Yes it's finicky but you can learn using brackets. And yes it will always take some time to properly put them in place even if you have a lot of experience and muscle memory, that's just the reality of building something. Makes them rarer and more remarkable though I feel. In a sense it creates a expertise progression to the building system. Could it be more user-friendly, yes, but honestly there should be at least somewhat of a learning curve

[unreal oxide]

i did read some of it yes, but mostly just learn from playing around with it myself

and also spend a long time just looking at the houses build in the world

since i mostly enjoy building something that could fit into Kaifeng city

[sour cove]

Though for some inexplicable reason, when you "steal" them the resulting parts are of a different size than the original (wall segments and windows usually)

[mighty aurora]

Dude nice

[unreal oxide]

yes some of the parts are like that, but some are rather nice, i like the big stone walls and the long beams, and ofc the premade roofs.

[dreamy path]

I need a design for side mountain stairs

The ones i have feel "nude" & "crude"

Perhaps someone here has some tips?

I currently make them using the elongated rectangular stone

And a beam underneath, sideways for "support"

[lavish trout]

Already using natural outcrops as much as possible?

[lavish trout]

Generally sound idea. Don't listen to anyone telling you that in ancient china ppl didn't directly put wooden beams into cliff faces for support. Quite a few of those exposed Buddha statues hewn into cliffs used to have wooden temple facades in front of them that were directly anchored to the rock.

[lavish trout]

How about a wood-stone combination where it alternates between wooden and stone parts, would that work?

[dreamy path]

What do you mean?

[dreamy path]

Yes that would

Currently what I'm doing is create the stairs as mentioned

Up to a stone platform on the side of the hill, that has wooden fences

And underneath red support beams

Similar to the ones you also used, just slightly different

[lavish trout]

So what I imagined was a flight of stairs hugging the side of a cliff. As a cliff isn't a regular surface there are sometimes tiny outcrops and plateaus. I was wondering whether that's the case for you and if so whether you are already making use of that.

[lavish trout]

Not sure if it really helps but something that really messes with immersion is the fact that some of the stone slaps don't have support beams and also that you use stone on wooden support beams added to the existing terrain. Maybe what could help in that situation is a rule of thumb:

If you don't have the actual rock to directly build on or don't have a "vast" wooden support structure (like on the right side of the 2nd picture) use wood only.

Think of the additional load the wooden beams would have to carry. In the context of the stairs: What I originally suggested assuming you were building in the Jade Mirror Pond area and keeping the cliffs in mind would entail a major rework of the stairs now I know what you did.

Regardless, my idea was to let yourself be guided by the plateaus and outcrops of the cliff and connecting them with wooden stairs. Where you have a somewhat horizontal rock surface, use stone slaps to continue the stairs and switch back to wood where you don't. This would lead to a far mor winding stair and requires almost entirely redesigning the stairs. Have you asked @wide furnace? Kinda knows a lot about nature centered builds.

[wide furnace]

😭

[wide furnace]

DAMN THATS A LOT OF RAW ORE USED 😭 😭

[lavish trout]

Honestly at that point I wouldn't care about ore usage, once you made the questionable commitment to a mega-build or even a less sprawling build, you are kinda done for. Just suck it up and go farming, there is no way around massive amounts of or used.

[lavish trout]

Any ideas about the stairs that require less of an extensive rework? Or no rework at all?

[wide furnace]

true, but RESPECTTT

unfortunately for solo world its still quite limited

[lavish trout]

Maybe creating a vertical pillar structure beneath + some sort of railing (which is tough to do I think with the red laquered aesthetic)

[wide furnace]

but i would find something that uses timber instead, not raw ore, if were gonna use that much

for example, all timbers (not my build)

good luck!!

[lavish trout]

This is what I thought of, not sure if it works and you still need to try building platforms but the green markers are relatively flat stone slab surfaces and the yello would be wooden elements

[wide furnace]

like this stairs i made haha

[lavish trout]

very crude I know but that was my initial rough idea

Also I don't know whether it works. Won't test it as I am away from the game. Granted I could test it after Easter as there are some pavilions planned for that side of the valley and heck maybe even a connection to that horizontally grown tree

@dreamy path I would try making the stairs narrower. Provided you find a way to add a railing to it. Most of that 'naked' feeling to it might actually come from the breadth of the stairs especially the uper section close to the platform. Could be wrong about it though

[lavish trout]

Also not sure what the rate is but replacing stone slabs with horizontal beams still uses ore^^

[lavish trout]

those horizontal beams still use ore right?

[wide furnace]

i forgot 🤣

been build in guild for too long, never touch solo world anymore

[lavish trout]

as in won't ever again? That would be a shame. Always on the lookout for another solo build from you

What about post-estate-update?

[wide furnace]

after solo world can use more furnitures, yes then i wont touch guild base anymore hahahaha

especially plants

[lavish trout]

Worst thing about solo building imo (and I doubt that will change in the foreseeable future) is that you can't perma-delete trees. Found that out the hard way after building a whole house on top of a tree trunk only to come back the next day with a tree inside the house.

[dreamy path]

I know T-T

[dreamy path]

I don't mind reworking, i reworked the entire area about 4/5 times now so...

[lavish trout]

Did you get the gist of what I was trying to say?

[dreamy path]

Yes, i got it
Thanks for the advice

[dreamy path]

There's been some updates on my part but still far from finish

Do you ever just see the place without anything and forgot how it looked empty?

[lavish trout]

Well done

Like what you did with the trees and the cliff face.

Would love to see more of the pagoda and know how you build it's stone foundation

Is it just me or does the main building (and ofc the pagoda as well) sit higher above the lake surface than in my build?

[dreamy path]

The pagoda you see here is mainly a Filler, initially the cliff stairs were on the left side and that Pagoda was meant to be a tower to build around. But then i changed my mind

As for the lake surface building, I don't know. I have never visited your build and from the photos is a bit tricky to estimate.

I did use some of your building designs tho

The pagoda stone foundation is just straight up a stone platform, it's hollow inside to save up on materials since its only meant to fill that space

The "real" pagoda / tower will stand on the opposite side of the lake

I'm planning a pretty big build, about 7/8 levels

With that the entire build will be more connected as i have covered the entirety of the pond including cliffs

I have my previous build at a higher level on the cliffs, what you see in the screenshot to the right are stairs leading around the cliff to a platform from which I'm thinking of constructing a bridge to the other side too and then build stairs on that side of the mountain

There's a lot left to do but I'm doing it slow as making the pagodas burnt me out a bit