Lunar Config

[tidal pagoda]

The black and white though isn't healthy for the brain, it can lead to sensory deprevation and reduce productivity from 6 - 18%. If possible it could do with some color, color coding could also help with marking tabs differently from one another for people that have trouble with it.

Because of that I like this a little better

[errant bolt]

I wouldn't mind this, i have trouble with staring at just white for so long, it makes my eyes hurt. but i also don't like excel's dark mode. you paint a box dark blue and it turns out light blue, paint a box white and it turns out black, etc.

My one is also a massive pain in the ass to scroll in. Having 3 monitors to work with it is an absolute god send, but on my laptop with a single monitor, it is awful to deal with lol

[tidal pagoda]

Accessibility from hell

Good lord

[errant bolt]

this also means when you do load it into something with light mode... its all back to normal and the colours look pretty gross lmaoo

[tidal pagoda]

.....oh man

What coop said

[primal linden]

I work doing excel as a depressed database programmer

so It's kinda close

[tidal pagoda]

Oh...........fuck i was just kidding.....I'm sorry

[primal linden]

dw lol

I like my job

[weary edge]

Is the only way to edit stuff currently through the config editor or is there something I'm missing?

[plush wasp]

config editor

what "people" are talking is the excel sheets they have made to make the process less painful and more organized

and comparing it to LQ (LethalQuantities) that has a web editor which is very comfy for editing

[weary edge]

LQ has been my go-to for a long time, but it hasn't really received updates at all recently so I'm looking for alternatives. I'm not a huge fan of using config editor. Its a slog of a process, lol.

[plush wasp]

true

[tidal pagoda]

Ik

[plush wasp]

but Lunar is the only maintained config mod to date

[tidal pagoda]

I've straight up sworn off of em

[plush wasp]

and has really neat features

[twilit crypt]

it depends how much you do with it

i dont do very advanced things for my mod packs

[plush wasp]

and with the process of changing to dawnlib, it will get even more features! (me thinks)

[twilit crypt]

lunar makes spawn curves more complicated to edit compared to centralconfig though

which is what i still use atm

[tidal pagoda]

I'm sorry but if it's set up as a bunch of config files I just can't. All of the quality in the world is superseded by the accessibility and usability of the UI.

[twilit crypt]

i wont switch until its broken fully

[weary edge]

In my old packs I've updated every modded item's spawn rate, adjusted moon prices, adjusted dungeon sizes and enemy spawnrates, etc etc.

[twilit crypt]

on top of editing all eight major stats of over 50 moons across 3 different mod packs

i also have a heavily edited monster skin config on all of them

and i used itemweights to alter item value ranges and weight

and some store prices

[weary edge]

This too

[tidal pagoda]

It would be nice if there was a program kind of like lq's online UI that you could open which allows you to make changes to the configs without having to open them directly.

Honestly it wouldn't even have to look good it would just have to feel somewhat smooth.

It can literally just be a page that runs commands to update the config files it wouldn't have to be anything fancy.

That alone would make it 80% easier to use, the difference would be night and day.

[weary edge]

Agreed. It's so much simpler to have every editable value on a singular page with dropdowns and what not for a specified moon.

[weary edge]

What's dawnlib? Will it allow customization to be easier once it's swapped?

[plush wasp]

its like lethallib, but way better

i dont think it will allow customization to be easier

it will allow to make more customization options

[tidal pagoda]

That's the thing I don't want more options I just want easy customization. If it's a pain to use it's not worth it.

[weary edge]

Ah, okay. I'm not too versed on mod libraries atm so I don't really know what LethalLib does either, lol.

[plush wasp]

in short, makes other mods exist hehe

[plush wasp]

i completely disagree but hey at least LQ still works

[tidal pagoda]

Why??

Not that it can't have both but....

[plush wasp]

i mean at the end of the day it comes to personnal preference

LQ still works and maybe it doesnt have every customization option but it has a cool UI that makes it easier to edit

but if you want something that LQ doesnt have well...

you have other options, but not as easy to use as this one

at least you have the option

[tidal pagoda]

Right but any good editor should have a decent amount of both not just one.

Because having too much of one defeats the purpose of the other.

It's not like it's a mod development tool, it's a tool for basic setting adjustment. This little accessibility really just hurts it in the long run.

The very least it should have a single page you open and not just seven different separate pages.

It's unreasonable.

[twilit crypt]

im just gonna say
i am 95% sure there isnt a single content configuration mod thats as intrusive as you guys are making them out to be

like
lunarconfig has a separate thing for interior hazards

centralconfig has a separate thing to input interior weights

so does LLL

thats like, the total extent afaik

and the other separate configs make sense to be such

[plush wasp]

dont include me in there, im not saying its a mess

[tidal pagoda]

That's not the same at all, LLL has everything contained into a single page. That already puts it ahead.

[plush wasp]

im just saying it has more options at the sake of not having a web editor

[tidal pagoda]

That's not a good trade

[twilit crypt]

i can understand if you prefer LQ web stuff

but like

its not that bad to use the others

[tidal pagoda]

Actually I hate the web stuff but the UI is pretty simple.

[twilit crypt]

id argue LQ is more complex overall tbh

[plush wasp]

again, personal preference

[twilit crypt]

csuse you gotta manually import files into your mod pack after creating your edits

[tidal pagoda]

Going to 7 different files that take 1 - 5 seconds of delay to open with most of it being text based is pretty bad.

[twilit crypt]

and if theres some slight balancing off

you gotta do it again

[plush wasp]

i think having them be organized into different sets is better than having all cramped into one space

[twilit crypt]

..and again

and again...

[plush wasp]

true

[twilit crypt]

meanwhile the other options are right there in your mod manager

and activate changes instantly

[tidal pagoda]

If it was done via tabs then yes. Seven different files all together no.

[plush wasp]

but they are kinda like tabs no?

[tidal pagoda]

They are not tabs

[twilit crypt]

use whatever you like btw, its fine

[tidal pagoda]

.....wait what

[tidal pagoda]

That's not what I saw

[twilit crypt]

im just saying i personally do not see the value of LQ's style over others

[tidal pagoda]

Where did that come from?

[twilit crypt]

and think its much easier to just manage it from the mod manager configs

[tidal pagoda]

Like that actually looks kind of nice

That's not what I was referencing

[plush wasp]

have you used Lunarconfig? XDDD

https://tenor.com/view/shawn-breezy-cat-kill-first-gif-2386988295549093398

[tidal pagoda]

This is what I saw

[plush wasp]

oh well its basically the same but in another mod manager

[tidal pagoda]

When I saw this I thought it literally was an editor like lethal util

That image is what throws me off altogether

[tidal pagoda]

But if it's more like this then that's actually really good

[plush wasp]

that adds the files its getting it from

its literally the same image

with different wording because of the mod manager

[tidal pagoda]

Okay so that's the thing I was missing I thought they were all completely separate because of that first image.

[twilit crypt]

centralconfig doesnt have separate config "tabs" like lunar does
however, this stuff i marked is only shown because i enabled allowing configuration for it, i have 95% of the other options above those disabled

[plush wasp]

mine is gale, wawa is r2

[twilit crypt]

and the separation in the list is obvious cause well
it shows "Dungeon:" or "Moon:"

[tidal pagoda]

.....oh so it's just thunderstore that's terrible

[plush wasp]

... yes...

and there are still people out there... defending tsmm...

i wont say who they are

https://tenor.com/view/muhehe-cat-muhehe-muhehehe-cat-muhehehe-smirk-cat-muhehe-gif-17142133339517585968

im joking

[tidal pagoda]

I can safely say that anyone who defends thunderstore has not used thunderstore or has not used anything better. That thing sends my GPU into the stratosphere and often crashes because of how much RAM it uses.

Now that i can agree thunderstorm is awful.

Honestly it's half the reason I have so much trouble with so many config files.

[plush wasp]

it used to crash my entire pc, like not even blue screen, just straight out blackness

[twilit crypt]

heres how centralconfigs moon editing thing looks btw

it is basically one "tab"

[tidal pagoda]

....that looks better

[plush wasp]

similar to lunar

[twilit crypt]

but theres separate ones for each moon

[plush wasp]

im so confused have you used lunar before?

its like almost the exact same

[weary edge]

What mod manager is this? I've been using R2 my whole life because I thought it was the only one

[plush wasp]

Gale

[tidal pagoda]

Well no because I saw that first image.

[plush wasp]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[tidal pagoda]

That image alone was enough to completely put me off

[twilit crypt]

people really dont know what gale is

[tidal pagoda]

Plus because of how other people described it

[twilit crypt]

this is why i make my claims using anything besides LQ isnt fucking terrible

[tidal pagoda]

The way they talked about it in the way it looked completely drove me away

[twilit crypt]

the only thing i dont really like about lunar is how it handles hazard spawns and spawn curves for monsters

centralconfig is just a simple number

lunar uses the same system coderebirth hazards use

although in fairness

centralconfig doesnt spawn hazards "traditionally"

[plush wasp]

isnt code rebirth one like the correct one?

like what base game uses

[tidal pagoda]

I still think it should be centralized at least

[twilit crypt]

what it essentially does is use this string, which can also be done for lunar
0,X ; 1,Y

[plush wasp]

also, there is a web editor to make curves easier

[twilit crypt]

the X is equal to the minimum

the Y is equal to the max

and if you have it like this

there is only say

a 1/12 chance for 11 turrets with
0,0 ; 1,11

[plush wasp]

so it will always be a linear spawn chance

[twilit crypt]

thats what central does with hazards

[meager whale]

this is gale yeah

[twilit crypt]

and i felt like for months something was off about it

[plush wasp]

hmmmmm who do we have here 👀

:3

[twilit crypt]

as if monty isnt also everywhere here

[plush wasp]

as if

[twilit crypt]

i am pretty sure youre in like almost every forum post cheese

[plush wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/bv0j-cat-cheese-me-when-the-mandela-catalog-mandela-catalogue-gif-23826736

[twilit crypt]

embed fail

[plush wasp]

true

[meager whale]

your rage bait will not work on me little fucker

[weary edge]

I recognize them from when I was active in some mod forums lol

[plush wasp]

::::33333

[plush wasp]

hey if its a problem i can stop

i do feel like im way too active

[meager whale]

yeah he's a no life he should get out of here *hurls mucus into spitoon

[twilit crypt]

anyways despite the hazards being less configurable than lunar and forcing a linear chance like 1/11

[meager whale]

i am too

[twilit crypt]

it is much much much more simple to manage

[meager whale]

im active everywhere except like

the CR thread i think

[plush wasp]

XD

[tidal pagoda]

Does gale by the way access the same servers?

[plush wasp]

yes

[meager whale]

it's totally fine as long as it's not messing w your routine

.....which is to say I should go to sleep cuz I work out in 6 hours

[tidal pagoda]

Well I know what I'm switching to

[plush wasp]

its helping me keep sane

:3

[meager whale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-toy-floating-smiling-cat-toy-floating-cat-toy-in-water-smiling-cat-toy-in-water-idlewsk-gif-13532852936045987863

[plush wasp]

but i do feel sometimes that bother others too much

i've tried to retain myself hehe

[meager whale]

sometimes i forget you're my age and every time i re-realize it im like "what a funny bloke"

[meager whale]

as long as you're not annoying it's fine

https://tenor.com/view/oneyplays-3lame-3lamestudios-dance-dingdong-gif-12159757591194851875

just means you're a regular!

[plush wasp]

maybe yeah

[twilit crypt]

@tidal pagoda @weary edge another thing gale has that other mod managers dont is these additional windows for string settings

[plush wasp]

norman is also really active

[tidal pagoda]

What the

[plush wasp]

that i have noticed hehe

[tidal pagoda]

[twilit crypt]

you just click two arrows on the right of a string thats long

and you get this

[tidal pagoda]

I have been cucked so hard and I didn't even know it

[weary edge]

Playing around w/ it right now

[plush wasp]

and the "edit as list" is also extremely peak

[twilit crypt]

i dont use edit as list tbh

[plush wasp]

i've used it sometimes

[twilit crypt]

though i did recently use it to scan for typos

[tidal pagoda]

Wat dat

[twilit crypt]

like periods instead of commas

[plush wasp]

makes it so each entry is separated

[tidal pagoda]

Oooooo

[tidal pagoda]

YES

FUCKING YES

[plush wasp]

yeah

purple too fast

[twilit crypt]

filitrios ogopogo when the radio station fire exit is the only sensible way to play filitrios is cruel 😭

not even i would be that mean

wtf dude

[tidal pagoda]

Fuck it, I'll LEARN lunar if it means having good options with gales UI.

[plush wasp]

xD

its crazy when ogo spawns in filitrios yeah

i also only use radio station

its like insta death

[tidal pagoda]

Fuck youuuuuuuuuu thunderstore

[plush wasp]

literally no way to save yourself

[twilit crypt]

I MEAN LIKE

IM A BIT MEAN

BUT THATS JUST FUCKED

[plush wasp]

idk ask monty

i have the default weight for the boy

[tidal pagoda]

W A I T!

......does gale have ads or any fuckery?...

[plush wasp]

no

no ads

[tidal pagoda]

Ah good

[plush wasp]

no overwolf

[twilit crypt]

monty you little fucker
you made a piece of shit trash with your shit mod

[weary edge]

Gale makes it a lot more manageable, but still gotta get over the hurdle of probably writing every modded enemy and moon down somewhere so I can remember everything I have installed, lol

[tidal pagoda]

WOOOO-

[plush wasp]

also synced profiles

i love synced profiles

[plush wasp]

yes

thats where excel comes in handy

oh yeah

gn monty! i hope you have a great day tomorrow!!!

-# he prob not even gonna read it, but i say it either way nyehehehe

[weary edge]

With R2, you had to scroll all the way down and enable editing on every single fricken thing, and there wasn't an expandable text option so if you wrote something down wrong then you'd have to take some extra steps to fix it. Hella tedious.

This is so much easier. Really appreciate the recommendation.

[subtle ingot]

that's fair. you could link a template on excel/google sheets that generates strings like hat spoke abt in the mods readme maybe

[errant bolt]

I forgot about this despite it always being in my face, this... is gonna be epic...

[ornate harbor]

Thunderstore and R2 both stopped working on me so Lunar was made with Gale in mind

[long kernel]

based actually

[subtle ingot]

does anybody have a decent template like this actually? i'm pretty unfamiliar with excel so google sheets is preferrred but like idm i guess

making the switch from LQ to LNRC

[errant bolt]

ive reached the point in mine where i can copy and paste scrap weights and (kind of) enemy weights directly from excel straight into the config, but... unfinished, messy, unpleasing to look at...

[plush wasp]

Yours is the best one to look at

At least it has colors xd

[subtle ingot]

maybe i will try to make a general template for myself

[errant bolt]

is it doe... 😭

[plush wasp]

At least it has colors...

[errant bolt]

a few random datapoinst thrown in whilst trying to figure out a reasonable wayto calculate spawn weights based off rarity and in-game weight

[primal linden]

looks good!

[wispy cliff]

i have a formula which creates comma separated lists for stuff at the top if anyone would find useful

=IFERROR(TEXTJOIN(", ",TRUE,FILTER($A3:$A&":"&Y3:Y,($A3:$A<>"")*(Y3:Y<>""))),"")

e.g. this one comes out as:

Fractured Complex:75, Sector α:300, SCP Foundation:75, Expanded Mineshaft:50, DeepcoreMines:50, Sub Systems:1, Haunted Mansion:1, Store:1, SanctuaryFlow:25, Greenhouse:10, Slaughterhouse:75, Rubber Rooms:1, Circus Facility:5, Toy Store:25, PlayZone:1, Tomb:5, Raven Manor:1, SpookyManorFlow:1, Scarlet Basement:1, Scarlet Foyer:1, Halls of Flesh:100, Liminal Facility:3

[errant bolt]

this will be useful, very useful... thank you... amazing table btw, im still new with excel and currently the knowlegde gap between when i started my spreadsheet verses where i am right now is astronomical to the point where one may consider restarting some sheets lmao. its CSS all over again for me...

[dim cargo]

So, how do you remove moons or inteors that are no longer in the modpark from the config?

[errant bolt]

this option but be warned cause itll remove any orphaned entries, including old items and old enemies, etc

[ornate harbor]

Yeah, just again beware cause like if you disable a moon mod or something then turn it back on it'll delete all the configuration you may have done for it

[dim cargo]

noted :)

thanks!

[primal linden]

small request.
Add an option to disable a specific scrap from spawning completely.
For example, Disable the Laptop for LCOffice to spawn without having to go to every moon and deleting the item in the scrap list

[errant bolt]

your tip was invaluable and now i can copy and paste most if not all of the moons config straight into lunar config, auto sorted. thank you

ignore some of the item names, im aware lunar config doesnt pick up usualscrap and coderebirth items right now

[tidal pagoda]

Config lunar's brain

[wispy cliff]

really glad to be of help

[willow apex]

sighs... guess I'll start reworking my own spreadsheet to work with lunar instead of CC

[ornate harbor]

If only these technological advancements were around in my day 😭

Also that whole sheet looks sick

Would be really cool if someone made a template or something :3

[primal linden]

I can try making one, if I could get some help ofc

[errant bolt]

what kinda help specifically?

[primal linden]

Not sure, atm. but I can try starting with something

[errant bolt]

I would not mind doing something too, but I just don't know what. That picture i sent puts on a good front, but backend inside of that spreadsheet holding it together (the other sheets) is a huge, huge mess lol. But i learnt a lot compared to where i started, at least...

I was too deep in so i committed to it

[primal linden]

Can you give me a screenshot of all the configs of Lunar Config Moons?

I'll try doing a good frontend based with that

[errant bolt]

uhhh theres this to start with, but ill go load up a vanilla profile real quick

[primal linden]

yeah, the moons

[errant bolt]

In that case

just one should do right

[primal linden]

I'll struggle with the MapObjects & OutsideMapObjects

[primal linden]

yup, all the options will be their respective columns, although I could use some formula for some

[errant bolt]

yeah i couldnt work that one out either and its the only one i left out of my own one, atleast if using code rebirth

[primal linden]

thanks!
I can do somwthing with this

[plush wasp]

Hey crafty

[primal linden]

this is the 1st base

[errant bolt]

Oh yeah, that's looking real neat. what's the scope here? to easily format, copy and paste in interiors + weights, items + weights, etc?

[primal linden]

I'll try doing a dropdown for interior, scrap and enemies

[primal linden]

yeah

[errant bolt]

still have to type in the items yourself, but truly makes it 1000x easier. though calculating the spawn weights you want to set items based on value and in-game weight (pounds)... i think it's quite subjective, i did it for myself but i guess for this it'll have to be more universal and manual input?

I hope you understand what i'm saying lmao

[primal linden]

btw
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19plTz-gfOzarUZA7QfqTdRgdxQvVTKIT__3cZhjMp9U/edit?usp=sharing

and dw, I have a copy in case of raids lol

[primal linden]

yeah, but I'll add a dropdown to let the player select what scrap can select per moon

[errant kettle]

mb didn't realize it was shared for a moment, I'll try to fill a few in

[primal linden]

I still need to do a lot of things

[errant bolt]

imma take a peak before i pass out, 12am here

fuck it ill do some too

[errant bolt]

Is that c#?

[primal linden]

kinda

I have to change something

[errant bolt]

only guessing from the consts when looking at some tutorials not long ago lol. I have messed with regex at least before, but nothing crazy

Enough to make use of it with a llm frontend and discord word filters at least...lol

[primal linden]

sending again.
It's this

it is not working as intended, but I'll make it work

[errant bolt]

Oh yeah sweet. will this work for anywhere that needs to add more rows/columns for custom moons/items?

[primal linden]

atm this is just for moons, from LunarConfigMoons to LunarConfigMapObjects

I'll try changing the const names.
I do this for my understanding first lol

[errant bolt]

Yeah it is in another language isn't it lol i did notice

i'm heading to bed now, i wish you two luck during my slumber on the great spreadsheet journey

[primal linden]

dw, good night!

[primal linden]

Made it work correctly :]

Just I can't add the black lines automatically :,]

I'll try to improve it even better, cuz rn if you add the moons too fast, it can bug out and repeat the last moon lol

[errant kettle]

i here

I'll do the same for the enemies page

can't do any of the expandable custom wizardry tho

[errant kettle]

Finished vanilla enemy defaults

[errant bolt]

All these cells... make a spreadsheet... all these cells make a spreadsheet... 😵‍💫

[meager whale]

https://tenor.com/view/teamfourstar-mr-popo-all-these-squares-make-a-circle-tripping-balls-high-af-gif-14789216505314014950

[errant bolt]

someone got it loll

[primal linden]

I'll do an upgrade to this soon

[errant bolt]

I believe there is a bug when you change the display name of an item that triggers the orphaned entries deletion (it is enabled for me, but still) and fully resets those particular items

There is a tear in my eye as I watched 100+ renamed item configs disintegrate before me

[tidal pagoda]

The hell is that?

[sage spear]

Wh.. why is it like this?

What's the explanation behind this?

[primal linden]

I don't get it.
What's wrong there?

[sage spear]

Why is the value of the big bolt 50-80

[primal linden]

that's how it works :,]

it has a price between these 2 when landing

[sage spear]

??

How is it 20-32 in-game then

[primal linden]

I remember from LQ That the price set is reduced with 0.4 or smth like that

[sage spear]

What

[late wing]

its some stupid ass equation zeekers made

[primal linden]

yeah. that

[late wing]

cant remember it

https://tenor.com/view/bobarens-bob-arens-stupid-peet-cat-peet-gif-10923910439891452137

[primal linden]

iirc is this

[sage spear]

Wdym, "with"

[primal linden]

[Price between mix-max]*0.4

[sage spear]

So 32 x 0.4?

Wait

THE MEDIAN??

Wait

Wtf is this equation

I literally do not understand

[primal linden]

no, [50~80]*0.4

[sage spear]

And how do you solve it?

[primal linden]

pick a price between 50 and 80

and then ,multiply it with 0.4

It means, the bolt has a price between 20 to 32

[sage spear]

Oh, this is so AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSS

and I have to do this fuckass equation with like, 50+ scrap items

[primal linden]

do NOT set weight to items

[sage spear]

Wdym

[primal linden]

worst mistake of my life

[sage spear]

Oh hell no dude, I have to calculate the fucking weights too?

Ugh

[primal linden]

you don't Have to
It's set by default on vanilla

[sage spear]

Does ItemWeights still work

Oh fuck me in the ass dude

[primal linden]

but if you want to change it, yeah. you have to do this

[primal linden]

it works, but I don't recommend it

It has a weird bug when placing items on the company place that resets the weight making it nehative and bugging out

[sage spear]

Urgh

[primal linden]

I mean, it only does on the last frame when putting items

[sage spear]

And how are you supposed to do this problem?

[primal linden]

if it's not a big difference, the worst thing is that it sometimes you get pushed back

[primal linden]

talking to this

[sage spear]

Doesn't Science Bird Tweaks fix that

[primal linden]

not sure

[primal linden]

I've not checked

[primal linden]

it may fix it

you can check

[sage spear]

I could

[primal linden]

Equations son, Equations

[sage spear]

but I also don't want to bloat my modpack

[primal linden]

(X-1)*105=W

X = Value in config
W=Weight ingame

[primal linden]

X-1=W/105
X=(W/105)+1

[sage spear]

Yes, this all seems nominal

[sage spear]

Ohh

[sage spear]

Right.. and this is supposed to be the weight of the Brass Bell?

[primal linden]

Welp, I may have done something wrong

what I usually do is copy the weight from another item

for example, I changed the weght of an Item from Wesley´s moons

To not have to do this stupid equation, I copied the weight from the Apparatus

[primal linden]

at least that's better than this lol

[sage spear]

@lusty lake Sorry for the ping, but do you know anything?

I am about to kill Zeekors irl

[primal linden]

you may meet them in a convention, they was there recently with Silksong

[sage spear]

Shaw

[lusty lake]

what is the question

[sage spear]

What is/how do you solve the equation to find an item's physical weight?

[errant bolt]

i had fun doing this ❤️

[errant bolt]

i did do this myself wait

I mean moroxide already said

but to clarify, X is what you put in the config, so a big bolt would be (1.18-1) x 105 which translates to 19 lbs ingame

[sage spear]

Ty

I think I have this shit down(?)

This also explains why weights in-game are randomly rounded up; they contain decimals

[ornate harbor]

I'll give my info too ig

So if you want to take the min/max in-game and convert it to the internal value lunar uses, you would multiply by 2.5, so if you want the minimum value of an item to be 20 credits, you do 20 x 2.5 = 50, and you'd put 50 into lunar

For weight you can use an equation like
( the weight you WANT / 105 ) + 1 = the weight you put into Lunar

[sage spear]

[x] x 2.5 is a more reliable and efficient equation over [x] x 0.4?

[ornate harbor]

X * 0.4 is just the reverse

Like the value in lunar * 0.4 is the value it is in game

Doing 2.5 just reverses the values

[sage spear]

So you'd put 1.2 in Lunar?

[ornate harbor]

I might go like one or two more decimal points but yeah that would make an item that weighs 20 pounds

[meager whale]

yeah lol

it's booty

[sage spear]

Is there even an explanation why Zeekerss chose this method

[meager whale]

he's a lil silly

[sage spear]

I can't even fathom how this would be good for him

[ornate harbor]

We love zeekers making weights a decimal AND not even making it out of 100 but 105

It's for is base-105 number system of course

[sage spear]

I have over 100 items to do

[meager whale]

wow, 00 items!

[errant bolt]

Have fun. I had 100+ items reset on me the other day ❤️ thank crafty ❤️

[ornate harbor]

Having the 'correct' value for weights is something I'm thinking about for an update, but for any update:
A. I'm really busy
B. My computer is kaput

[sage spear]

This is why I keep my modpacks backed up, in case of bullshit like this

[errant bolt]

ujoke btw

Just dont change the display name of items

[plush wasp]

why did pc kaput? :0

[sage spear]

Scan or display

[errant bolt]

display

[sage spear]

Is that why ur shit reset, because of the display names?

[ornate harbor]

Yeah that's an issue where I'm also using a value you can change in the uuid I read (NOT good decision), I'll have a different system in dawnlib

[errant bolt]

yeah for the time being, sounds like crafty has it under control when the great journey to dawnlib happens

I think it also only happens with clearing orphaned entries enabled as well

[ornate harbor]

Previously it kept failing POST, updating the BIOS fixed that, now it just is in an endless cycle where it turns on, blue screens, turns on again, and continue the cycle until it prompts me to troubleshoot

[errant bolt]

My first guess is it sounds related to the RAM

any LED lights on?

on the motherboard

[ornate harbor]

Yeah, if that setting is off your configs will never get deleted, they might be lost to the tens of thousands of note pad lines but they're still there

[sage spear]

What is POST?

[ornate harbor]

Power on self test, the very first thing your computer does when turning on

[sage spear]

Does this only ever become a problem if you uninstall said item mod?

[sage spear]

Glue

[errant bolt]

Oh yeah, doesnt sound like a great experience LOL.

[plush wasp]

oh thats annoying :c i hope you can fix it

[ornate harbor]

If the setting is off, the entries will still be there, you just won't see them until you reinstall the mod and refresh the config

If the setting is on and you uninstall a mod the entries will be deleted when you refresh

[sage spear]

Oh ok so I'm fine

[ornate harbor]

So leave it off if you don't want that

[sage spear]

I don't plan to uninstall any of the scrap mods so yea

I like having my shit neat and organized too

[errant bolt]

make sure they work though before you bother configuring it

I made my mistake with abandoned company assets

[sage spear]

Generic and Terra's stuff seem to be spawning fine

Glue

[errant bolt]

Of course spawning is fine... but I mean if they're not updated to v73/recently and have some kind of quirky interaction that causes errors and exceptions in console

[sage spear]

Terra's seem to be working fine in that department

[ornate harbor]

I think it's a driver's problem, so hopefully fixable without needing to replace anything

[errant bolt]

Awesomee

[sage spear]

Even though he ragequit and depracated all of the mods post-v73-

He dislikes Zeekerss even more than me it seems

[errant bolt]

what driver is your suspect? out of curiosity... or even, whats the bsod error?

[errant bolt]

Did he LOL

[ornate harbor]

DPC_WATCHDOG_ERROR

No idea which

[errant bolt]

Oh god, infamous...

[ornate harbor]

Is it?

[sage spear]

No, just Monty's theory

Would make sense

[ornate harbor]

Monty's word is truth

Never doubteth him

[sage spear]

True...

[plush wasp]

who is terra?

[sage spear]

Just counted

I actuallt have 89 scrap items to do

Vanilla + modded

Guys it's ok

[ornate harbor]

Well it gives me some time to work on the stuff I really should be doing, instead of playing like 6 hours of stardew valley

[sage spear]

Creator of Terra's Rebalance and Scrap

[ornate harbor]

Try making it an equation in desmos or something for the weight, makes it easier to just quickly do 89 values

[plush wasp]

haha fair, i should get my drivers messed up too

[plush wasp]

oki, i think i've heard of those mods but dont really know what they do, i mean i guess the scrap is new scrap

[errant bolt]

well, infamous to me. When i worked on a computer to get it fixed, I was getting this alongside freezes. The issue was actually quite a few things - but the big one was a dying SSD, which I determined after uhhh... running lots of cmd commands on disk and also through a windows installer environment off a USB.

The rest of the builds issues could have stemmed from anything - the CMOS battery was (unbelievably) flat, so BIOS kept resetting every boot. Then the RAM sticks were not in their preferred slots in the motherboard, making boot times also quite long due to memory training (not really an issue on motherboards past 2019 tbh, even rare for then), and the graphics card... blower style quadro card, single slot... boot up computer, instant 105 degrees hotspot and max temps... the fan had so must dust in it that it actually stopped rotating completely 😭

[sage spear]

The scrap is new scrap and all I really use Terra's Rebalance for is nutcrackers firing faster the closer they are to death

[errant bolt]

I forgot to say. I do have heaps of spare parts so I was just fortunate enough to go try a spare SSD I had

[errant bolt]

Do you plan to do the weights as well? are you making a spreadsheet?

[ornate harbor]

Actually a spreadsheet could work even better for mass converting

[errant bolt]

Yeah that's what I did for mine

albeit the mess

[ornate harbor]

That sounds horrible, hopefully that's not what I'll need to do :D

[sage spear]

If I feel the need to do so. The only sheet I'm making is one for me to look at when I begin implementing the scrap items into moons
[Scrap item codename] - [Weight] / [Min]-[Max]

And I have 11 moons to change the entity, scrap, and hazard weights on, as well as figure out the spawn curves after that

I'mma kms!

[ornate harbor]

I know some people in here were working on a spreadsheet template that made it really easy to organize stuff for Lunar

I never got a good look though

[sage spear]

I could just, include the values, if that's what you're implying

[errant bolt]

it was... but I got paid super handsomely since it was a mining company my dad works at 😭 But at the very least, I reckon you should at least try only using 1 stick of ram just to know for sure... rule it out...

if still happens, try the other, if happens on both, I find it unlikely both sticks of ram would fail, I would move on and rule it out

[sage spear]

[Scrap item codename] - [Weight](Lunar weight) / [Min](Lunar min)-[Max](Lunar max)

and I'm using Notepad++ for this too

[errant bolt]

Samantha...

[sage spear]

My shit looks like this so far

[errant bolt]

I promise...

if you use a spreadsheets program... you will save so, so much time and brainpower

I know this because i did the same and also used notepad++

[sage spear]

SHH, A SCHIZOPHRENIC AUTIST IS TALKING!

/j

[errant bolt]

To be brave enough to do this with lightmode too...

your eyes... they will BURN after 3 days... LOL

[sage spear]

Notepad++ has a dark mode?

[errant bolt]

yes

Notepad++ i love most for its simple replace all functions

[sage spear]

Ougghhh it's soo good

[errant bolt]

I configured it to work closer to actual notepad since I'm use to that behaviour way more (essentially, not using tabs)

[sage spear]

Hopefully I actually release this modpack because CC was finished multiple times but never released due to laziness

Enoguh motivation to write thermbillion values down but not enough to draw an icon and write a description

[errant bolt]

I think my mod pack would be a good one to release but... I'm too shy for that... I will leave it for my friends... even though it probably has too much time and effort sunk into it for it to only be for friends... but I SEEK NO LESS THAN PERFECTION...

[sage spear]

I have nobody to play it with, HA!
-# It would be nice to have playtesters, though

[errant bolt]

ENEMIES, HAZARDS, ITEMS, MOONS, WEIGHTS, DIFFICULTIES, DESCRIPTIONS, DUNGEON SIZES, ALLLL DONE!!!!!!

[sage spear]

I've spent most of my LC time solo

[sage spear]

I did all of this but I deleted the modpack again and starting from square 1

I'm just getting things set up so I can actually start putting the moons together

The scrap items and tool prices r the only things left

[errant bolt]

i wouldnt mind doing that. I playtest my own one alone though, using two open clients on same computer in LAN

BUt only os much can happen with that...

[errant bolt]

It would be easier than tryign to fix an old one at the moment with v73...

[sage spear]

? Are you telepathically controlling both clients at the same time, what're you doin' bruv

[errant bolt]

wait i took a silly screenshot somewhere

[sage spear]

Yeah, also I was oblivious to a lot of non-Zeekerss-like stuff

This is all of the custom content I'm down to now

(For Wesley specifically, I only use the Fractured Complex, Expanded Mineshaft, and Greenhouse)

[ornate harbor]

Lunar's icon was made in gimp by having a big circle and a slightly smaller one and moving the text around

You can make one too!

[sage spear]

Wtf are you playtesting exactly with all these instances

[errant bolt]

Yeah that's good... god, the weathers one is actually a nightmare. I forgot to do something particular with it in excel, so I did half of it manually and... you're just too prone to human error

[ornate harbor]

You need MOREEE

[sage spear]

Oh yeah I also call the first two Factory EX and Mineshaft EX for convenience

It also sounds badass somehow

[errant bolt]

that one was kind of a half joke with something related to a bug with 10+ players and i thought... "hey... i could try that"

[sage spear]

Vanilla Mineshaft is gonna go completely unused in our modpack lol

[sage spear]

BrainDeer

[errant bolt]

I had no issues though but no other mods installed, not enough ram for that many mods... lol

[sage spear]

?

The weathers were the first thing we did

How is that a nightmare

[sage spear]

Huh

I've always just used the configs for reference

[errant bolt]

More.

[sage spear]

Glue

[errant bolt]

it's the quirkiness related to the combined weathers

[sage spear]

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-on-smoke-cpu-blasts-potato-pc-gif-24592403

[errant bolt]

This is what it sounded like by the way, my fans were revved up LOL

[sage spear]

I also used the config for reference when I had combined weathers

[errant bolt]

like specific behaviours

e.g. to have rainy + stormy as a weather, you have to have rainy as a weight even if its set to 0 and same with stormy

seems simple enough... could do that in my head

But stuff like the end of the world

[sage spear]

Tf is the end of the world bro

What're these custom, "weathers"

[ornate harbor]

End of the world is a combo of every modded weather, at the same time

[sage spear]

Oh

[ornate harbor]

And vanilla maybe

[sage spear]

BACK IN MY DAY, IT USED TO BE CALLED HELL WEATHER!!!

[errant bolt]

you also have to make sure to blacklist moons or weathers you dont want will appear too

and yes, end of the world is every weather except heat wave, blizzard and...

one more i believe but i forgot...

oh yeah, toxic smog

[sage spear]

Oh yeah I don't have Elements anymore

[errant bolt]

and foggy

[sage spear]

They're all just kinda

Flooded reskins

[errant bolt]

I like to see them as flooded remasters instead hahaha

[ornate harbor]

Even so some fit places better than flooded

[errant bolt]

Flooded also isn't supported on every (modded?) moon

[sage spear]

I'm tryna keep my modpack as non-bloated as possible

I have.. certain friends who r picky

and I'm picky myself

[errant bolt]

I understand that, i have done my best to keep the game simple upfront and to its core, but behind the scenes. you get spreadsheets like that

[sage spear]

Not as in it'll be hard for me to keep track of

As in, it just won't feel like something Zeekerss made anymore, and also too much of a good thing can and will become a bad thing over time

[errant bolt]

I know what you mean, i mean it that way too... effectively i aim to up the immersion whilst sticking to the core gameplay loop

balancing out the high quota, progressive but not full of slop

[sage spear]

I'm also tryna make the game feel more Rain World-y

I really like the ecosystems of these moons

[errant bolt]

I havea few item mods but most of them are disabled

yeah I like natural selection

[sage spear]

Having thermbillion entity mods will throw allat off

[errant bolt]

lunar config has been the saving grace...

[sage spear]

Seems so

[errant bolt]

I can see this... buuut instead of going for all out enemies or heavily mechanical enemies, I have added in mods that add neutral things... simply, again, make some places feel more alive. you're in a forest? tag that shit up with valley, and give it some leaf boys and snail cats.

[sage spear]

Snail cats don't feel like natural animals, and Xu isn't interested in separating the flora from CR

Another instance of how we're picky

[errant bolt]

LOL yeah fiar enough

Code rebirth i had to configurate a lot to get it where i want it to be in my list of mods

no gals... no shop...

[sage spear]

I already have Wesley's interiors, I don't wanna have to force people to download even more gigabytes upon gigabytes for some plants lmao

Also bloats the FUCK out of Lunar's config even further

[errant bolt]

most hazards controlled through lunar config... at least, with the previous version

[ornate harbor]

CR is nice that you can turn almost everything but man is it bloat if you just want a couple things

[errant bolt]

Yes. yes it is

[errant bolt]

yeah they are heavy hitters for sure, i dont use any of them myself just because i dont like the mechanical side of things in them alongside some nicher things, my friendgroup are split between loving and hating them

[lusty lake]

very sorry i was busy and forgot to respond

but the answer you were given by the others is correct

[sage spear]

Yeag

[lusty lake]

take whatever weight you want, divide by 105, and then added 1 to it

[sage spear]

It's good

[ornate harbor]

Idk what it's like now, but on an older version of lunar, with just Wesley's Moons and vanilla, if you opened the item config file in just notepad instead of a mod manager it was ~32,000 lines

[sage spear]

rivflabbergasted

[errant bolt]

Did you by some chance have all the configs in one file once upon a time LOL

[ornate harbor]

No, it's just that every individual config setting is several lines, multiply that by how many settings a single item has, multiplied by the hundreds of items Wesley's includes, it's in tens of thousands of lines

[sage spear]

Unrelated, but it's weird how small cabinets are in vanilla, so a resized them to 1.2x:

Their cabinet form is like, knee-level height vanilla

[sage spear]

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-c4-csgoc4-bomb-counter-strike-gif-15745242

[errant bolt]

I type too much.

[errant bolt]

I haven't used this mod before despite its popularity

looks like itd be good on housing maps

[sage spear]

I just got it because it looked vanilla

and yeah, it is great for Manor moons

You should try it, it has cool mechanics

I won't spoil anything specifically, but they're neutral class

[errant bolt]

if I get it (I will try it out), i'm gonna be spoiled anyway since im the one whos gotta set them up to spawn on their respective moons n stuff lo. but always fun to see others reactions to what ive setup

[sage spear]

Yeah same

[errant bolt]

the idea is also to make every death preventable and not go "wow, taht was bullshit!" after dying lol

[sage spear]

I can never get the same pleasure of experiencing my stuff for the first time, BUT I can get the pleasure of tailoring my experience to me

[errant bolt]

one of my aims

[sage spear]

Complete opposite for us

Lethal Company is a bullshit game, and we're gonna stay in that direction

Why we have Starlancer Enemy Escape for example

[errant bolt]

some might call it bullshit though, since its still very difficult

[sage spear]

(Dogs and leviathans can uncommonly go in and out of facilities)

Kidnapper fox AI literally ceases to function indoors though, so they're unfortunately not one of the bigger threats that can go in or out

[errant bolt]

oh yeah so thats what that does LOL. mmm there was a smaller enemy that worked similar to dogs that were for interiors

some scp, it gave me lots of errors though and looked oddly realistic

[sage spear]

SCP-939?

[errant bolt]

yeah that

[sage spear]

I might include it in a private ver of CC

We just love SCP-939 too much

Well, depending on whether it's broken or not

[errant bolt]

I want it but just need it to work, but haven't checked if its got another update. It had one after v73.

I must go now to go gym

Then the lunar config grind continues...

[sage spear]

Happy gyming, cya

Was nice talking

[errant bolt]

...and doing some... 'coding' for flashlights...

[sage spear]

Glue

[meager whale]

they fixed it recently, I've been using it for a pack myself

I have some configs set up so their running speed doesn't look weird with their animation too

and I also intended to send the guy behind it some footstep SFXs for the chase part of the AI but I uuhhh forgot!

[split trench]

Does anyone know if lunar config works with dawnlib currently?

[ornate harbor]

Does not

[long kernel]

How so

[errant bolt]

Oh really... guess ill be investigating it for muh pacjk sometime..... better send htose sfx bio-broly !

[meager whale]

https://tenor.com/view/bio-broly-dragon-ball-z-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-super-broly-gif-26567706

FINALLYYY

IT'S BEEN TWO FUCKING YEARS SOMEONE FINALLY GOT THE REFERENCE

[errant bolt]

It was my first thought when i saw your name 😭 I just never said anything till now LOL

GLAD I GOT IT

[meager whale]

LMAO

the catharsis from this is insane

[errant bolt]

well i've never met a REAL bio broly fan before... LOL

[meager whale]

they work relatively well and also seem to path just fine outside if you're for that

[meager whale]

oh im not a fan I just thought it was a funny name to have

I haven't seen the Z movies yet

[errant bolt]

whaat even made you reference bio broly in the first place?

[meager whale]

I just think it's hilarious how they took a good concept like broly and exploited it until it became so watered down it turned into LITERAL slop, like the guy literally turned into a pile of goop and slop

[ornate harbor]

Well it doesn't register dawn lib items yet

Will be fixed when lunar is ported to DawnLib, but that might be a considerable amount of time away

[meager whale]

will any major rewrites happen then? as in, would I have to re-do my configs when you update to DL?

[ornate harbor]

I am unsure, it should be the same settings but the entries will be different for instance:
"LLL - Airhorn (zeekers.lethalcompany...)" will become "lethal_company:airhorn"

Hopefully I can have it find the old uuid and the new one so that you won't have to move it all over manually

But we'll see

[errant bolt]

this is funnier put into words, youre right LOl

[meager whale]

Mmm I hope the text formatting for the name can be changed after the fact, "LLL - Airhorn (zeekers.lethalcompany)" is easier to spot than "lethal_company:airhorn)" in a sea of config entries

good to know it might be backwards compat though

[ornate harbor]

It's just dawnlibs uuid system :p

Instead of being sorted by LLL and LL it'll now be sorted by mod author

For instance magicwesley:concrete_block

[meager whale]

ye that makes more sense

what I mean tho is it'd probably look better as

"MagicWesley - Concrete block"

I imagine that's off your hands, though

[ornate harbor]

And craziest part is this is wrong a lot of the time, like I showed you that dregs outside objects are thought to be vanilla since they aren't in CRLib

[ornate harbor]

I mean I could try and make that uuid look nicer

[mossy tide]

technically its actually modname not mod author

its just wesley names his mods after himself

sometimes.

sometimes its therubberrooms:therubberroomsinterior

[meager whale]

ye lol

[ornate harbor]

Oh yeah there's magic_wesley and magicwesley too

[mossy tide]

wesley does NOT have consistency for mod names lmao

[meager whale]

I would def appreciate that yeah, something I think helps make configs readable is not having a jumble of text all squished together for names, some proper separation would help but I understand if that's too much work cuz it prolly is

either you or xu could implement that hi xu

https://tenor.com/view/hiii-cat-wave-cat-wave-hi-gif-174708314057938083

idk how she'd go about integrating it but i am just here as a consumer

[digital quarry]

how do you open the config for editing?

[mossy tide]

i mean for the looks of the config stuff is separated into Namespace and Key, namespace being stuff like magic_wesleysmod or lethal_company and key being puppeteers_needle or whatever, so that could definitely be moved around a bit to be like:
Magic Wesleysmod | Puppeteers Needle

it's just the way the config is written has to be magic_wesleysmod:puppeteers_needle in code but lunar config can do whatever it want to turns something else into that ig

[gaunt marsh]

The thing I did was just change the moon scrap multiplier to 1. This removes the need to math

Idk if LunarConfig let's you do that

Er, scrap value multiplier*

Idk why he made it change by 0.4 it feels like such an unnecessary mechanic lol

[ornate harbor]

You can do that too

In Lunar

[sage spear]

Wdym

[meager whale]

if you change the multiplier of the equation to 1 you don't have to calculate the end values each time you set new scrap values for your items

however this does mean you have to grab the vanilla items and do the equation on them and then replace THOSE min and max

[ornate harbor]

The setting we're talking is on moons they have a "value multiplier"

Which is usually 0.4

Because zeekers idk

If you change to 1 on all moons, you should be able to put in the normal values

[sage spear]

Oh ok I’ll just do that then

[ornate harbor]

It is 0.4 by default right?

[mossy tide]

yes

[ornate harbor]

I'm asking in lunar's config since I might have done something strange

And I can't check now

[mossy tide]

ohh duno then

[ornate harbor]

I actually think lunar has it default to a multiplier of 1, in which case you should set it to 2.5 to be able to input direct values without conversion

[hasty hull]

How does the spawn deviation value work again? I always forget what exactly it does

[ornate harbor]

Allow me:
So at each spawn wave the game takes the time of day and converts it to a number between 0 and 1. It takes that and plugs it into the spawn curve, there it gets a number, say 3. Now it takes the deviation value for that specific curve, let's say it's 4. It will add that number to the one it got from the curve for the upper bound (3 + 4 is 7) and subtract it for the lower bound (3 - 4 is -1 and gets capped to 0). Then it takes these two numbers and picks a random number between them (in this case between 0 and 7), the random number it picks now is how many enemies will spawn this wave for that curve.

That's a simple as I can make it lol

[errant bolt]

Reading this off my meds made my brain fart. I'll be back in an hour

[hasty hull]

Makes sense, basically a randomizer for the spawn curve

Today I was making custom spawn curves and this crossed my mind, I am thinking about lowering them for my moons to make them less swingy

Is there an outdoor/nighttime deviation value? If there is, this mod does not let us change it

[ornate harbor]

There is not one I can find

So I can only assume that curve does not have one

[hasty hull]

Not a great source, but the Wiki lists one for each moon. I trust you though

[ornate harbor]

Hm

Does it mean the daytime one?

[subtle ingot]

is this just a display bug or have my interior weights not been set

(lunar 0.1.11, lc v72)

[primal linden]

prob a display bug, do you have set the interiors through

LLL?

[subtle ingot]

no

just lunar

i havent touched lll

ill just test it by making one of the interiors not listed in the terminal effectively guaranteed

it seems like they just arent affected

[primal linden]

yeah, it's a display bug

[subtle ingot]

oh what

[primal linden]

The same happens on LQ

[subtle ingot]

i just ran that same stuff with fractured complex set to 5000 weight and i rolled facility

[primal linden]

Your config should work

[primal linden]

Or I can be perfectly wrong 😄

[subtle ingot]

loll

i have imperium on is there a chance thats messing it up?

[primal linden]

the thing is that LQ had the same Issue, the interior does not match to the simulation terminal

so It was a chance that it could be the issue same here

but if it doesn't work at all... welp

[subtle ingot]

oh also i have another question: wtf causes this? i loaded up a completely new save file, this happens fairly often

deadline: 7 days, 3 hours

routed to assurance for whaetevr reason

and 509 first quota

[primal linden]

hmm... I didn't had a bug like that from a while ago

[subtle ingot]

theres also a strong chance im just doing something stupid-im porting from lq to lunar rn

[primal linden]

I think that's also Lunar.
Try deactivating the moon settings and check if it still happens

[subtle ingot]

its happeend without any moon configs im pretty sure

its the wrong thread for this tbh i just thought you might know 😭

totally not a lunar bug

[primal linden]

not sure :,]

[subtle ingot]

wait returning to the original issue - i just rolled storehouse????

now idk what to think

there's the like .001% chance i just somehow twice haven't rolled complex

because storehouse also wasnt on the display

?>???? after landing the display has changed to this. this is strangely identical to what i've rolled previously. facility twice and storehouse once.

but before i landed it showed the same stuff as before

im totally baffled

OH fuck

it was my fault

😭

the display is inaccurate, but the strange rolls are because some of my aliases were invalid. i didn't enable content configuration for the interiors that i created new aliases for

im literally gonna cry its still not working

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1380800440010150009/1425463772780298310/out.webp

im tottally stuck now :(

[ornate harbor]

Changing aliases does nothing

[subtle ingot]

wuh

[ornate harbor]

That setting just tells you what works

[subtle ingot]

oh

:(

[ornate harbor]

It says in the description of the setting

[subtle ingot]

dam

oops

[ornate harbor]

Happens lol

[subtle ingot]

yeah honeslty i think it was a fair thing to be confused by

@ornate harbor now that im paranoid, "does not regard whitespace" means only spaces at the start/end will be ignored, and "Fractured Complex" cannot be written as "FracturedComplex"

[ornate harbor]

It can be written like that

[subtle ingot]

oh ok

neat

[ornate harbor]

fracturedcomplex is too

[subtle ingot]

cool

[ornate harbor]

Caps not needed

[subtle ingot]

ya i saw case insensitive

[ornate harbor]

F rac tu r ed c OmP l ex:35 should technically work too but that's disgusting

[subtle ingot]

revolting

id love to be able to add aliases tbh

like "haunted mansion" being the shortest sensible thing to refer to level2flow as is a little annoying

[meager whale]

totally, dw

[sage spear]

Isn't that the name Batby gave it

or is it really called Haunted Mansion in the files

[ornate harbor]

I think batby, as far as I know the vanilla flows are only called level1flow, level2flow, etc.

[mossy tide]

yes batby called it Haunted Mansion

and i sorta follow that format in dawnlib

[subtle ingot]

mansion shorthand would save lives 🙏🙏

is that where the two aliases come from? LLL and DL

[mossy tide]

It comes completely from LLL, DL is much newer so we just adopted it :p

But haunted mansion also makes sense

The mansion is haunted

[subtle ingot]

yes

but it's like another word 💔💔💔

1 million years extra spent typing

it's unforgivable

[mossy tide]

Fractured Complex
The Rubber Rooms
That one outdoors interior by beanie

Most interiors are two words

[subtle ingot]

it's true

but like haunted mansion specifically feels super unnecessary

[mossy tide]

Why? It's a haunted mansion

The name is literally describing it

No one came up with it without like any reason, the name is thay because thays what it is

[subtle ingot]

i just feel that "mansion" would suffice

it's no big deal tho ofc

like it'd be silly to call the facility "abandoned facility" or something

it's true, but why elaborate

[meager whale]

custom*

[late wing]

all of mine are two words

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-cat-slowed-bird-gif-2022555196927695723

[subtle ingot]

deepmines is a valid alias tho

which i appreciated

[late wing]

cant remember what all my aliases are

only other i can remember is hangarflow

oh yeah

liminalhouseflow (shoulda shortened to houseflow)

OutdoorFlow

annd

StorageComplex

funny how they are all different

ones just the name, two are the name + flow, ones a descriptor plus flow, ones two descriptors and ones

i love inconsistency

(ignore that i intentionally updated all the interior icons to be consistent recently)

[split trench]

@ornate harbor Will lunar config be switched to dawnlib

[plush wasp]

😔

We have been saying that since the dawn of lib

Yeah it will get switched

But crafty doesnt have his pc rn

[thin folio]

Will lunar config be switched to rodigolib

[plush wasp]

Whenever surfaced gets ported first

[ornate harbor]

Yes it will, I actually fixed the computer yesterday (I think), but I am still quite busy and it is likely to be quite some time until I am able to work on the project again

[plush wasp]

Amazing!!!

Pc back again!

[ornate harbor]

It was a really stupid problem

[plush wasp]

What was it ??

[ornate harbor]

I have this unused wifi dongle plugged in to the computer (I use Ethernet) but just having that plugged in caused the computer to blue screen on startup

I think it was broken or really outdated or something

[plush wasp]

Wtf

[normal quarry]

Wonderful

[plush wasp]

Thats so weird and scary

[plush wasp]

You are wonderful

[normal quarry]

W cheese

At least the fix is simple

But if a wifi dongle is causing bsod's there might be some other system instability

[ornate harbor]

I found out when I unplugged it and the computer worked, then I wanted to use wifi rq and it blue screened as soon as I plugged it in

[ornate harbor]

It's likely an outdated wifi adapter driver or something, but I use Ethernet so I'll just put that off :p

[plush wasp]

Still weird that it does all that

Like at least just not work, but crashing the entire pc is crazy

[subtle ingot]

i thought lunar used dawn already

am i silly

[split trench]

It uses code rebirth lib which was a old version of dawn

[subtle ingot]

oh

makes cents

what is the difference?

[split trench]

Ones more up to date, and I don’t like having duplicated mods in profile

[subtle ingot]

oh ok

[plush wasp]

dawnlib has way more features

[subtle ingot]

wowee

dawn does moons now right?

[plush wasp]

i think so yeah

[subtle ingot]

wowee

wonder what it does that lll doenst

[hasty hull]

It mean it works with v73

[meager whale]

afaik only scene selection right now?

[subtle ingot]

do u know if lll moons are compatible

[plush wasp]

Yes

[meager whale]

they are yeah

it would be good testing for xu cuz idk how stable the moon side is apart from like, oxyde

cuz thats the only dl moon rn i think

[subtle ingot]

yeah i checked earlier that seems right

boom moons require dl but idk why, they also require lll

[subtle ingot]

that's real good i was a bit worried it would have another le/lll awkward transition phase

which doesn't seem feasible at this point considering how many of these moons are now inactive

[meager whale]

yeah no ide

a

boom moons has like 20 billion dependencies that I don't understand but there's prolly a reason for em being there

[meager whale]

yea it wouldn't make sense to mke an API for moons thats incompatible w the current one

[subtle ingot]

@ornate harbor btw you might need to update the default dine values in config for v73 dine

it looks like v72 rn

[ornate harbor]

It grabs them automatically so... :p

[subtle ingot]

oh.. i was playing on v72 so that makes sense

glad to hear that's how it works tho!!

does it update the default values if it detects a version change or is there just an easy way to regenerate a moon config that idk

[ornate harbor]

Well it'll automatically update the default values every time you load into a lobby

In terms of actually updating the real values the only way is just deleting the file

[subtle ingot]

ooh

ok

[weary edge]

If I disable a moon but keep it in the pack will it reset all the values I changed in the config?

[normal quarry]

No your changed values will remain

If configuring that moon isn't disabled

[weary edge]

Awesome, thanks.

[cerulean cape]

idk whats going on but lunarconfig will only generate two files, enemies and items, and the enemies file is blank
additionally if i have moon config enabled, i get stuck on generating seed and nothing generates

any idea whats happening

getting this error

[09:10:00.0851578] [Error  :LunarConfig] An error occured while initializing LunarConfig, please report this! System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at LunarConfig.Objects.Config.LunarCentral.CurveToString (UnityEngine.AnimationCurve curve) [0x00001] in ./Objects/Config/LunarCentral.cs:40 
  at LunarConfig.Objects.Config.LunarCentral.InitEnemies () [0x00a25] in ./Objects/Config/LunarCentral.cs:629 
  at LunarConfig.Objects.Config.LunarCentral.InitConfig () [0x00057] in ./Objects/Config/LunarCentral.cs:123 
  at LunarConfig.Patches.RoundManagerPatch.startMod () [0x00007] in ./Patches/RoundManagerPatch.cs:31 
  at LunarConfig.Patches.RoundManagerPatch.onAwakePostfix (RoundManager __instance) [0x00044] in ./Patches/RoundManagerPatch.cs:515 

[modern vector]

If you have SDM it's because of that, just turn off enemy configuration for now til the dev releases a patch

[cerulean cape]

sry what does sdm stand for

Oh scarlet devil mansion?

ok got it ty

tysm @modern vector everythings working

shovels are working too now didnt realize sdm caused thatlmao

[gloomy trellis]

Will you add AI features next update?

Specifically I want to be in one of those crappy adverts that contain second hand thinkers

“Hey Lunar, what was the name of my son’s goldfish again?”

[ornate harbor]

If you mean disabling the moons mod, it will only delete your values if in your LunarCentral file you have "Remove orphaned entries" set to true

[jolly badger]

here its working

[subtle ingot]

life after making cfg to csv converter so that i dont have to do it all manually

https://tenor.com/view/pozitiv-gif-14253947505283509778

[subtle ingot]

what's the difference between can die and can destroy in enemy configs?

[ornate harbor]

I don't really know what can destroy will do, but can die will control whether or not the hp is taken into account (if can die is false... it just won't die)

[subtle ingot]

hm

maybe its to do with other forces like explosions or the car? idk

the only non-destroyable enemy is the ghost girl

so probably not that

[hasty hull]

I always thought it referred to if a corpse is left behind

Either that or it refers to something like getting eaten by Earth Leviathans, which is treated separately from getting ‘killed’ because they just get instantly deleted

[subtle ingot]

that's got it's own option

[subtle ingot]

but that sounds like it could be it

maybe I'll test this at some point

[modern vector]

@ornate harbor

Idk what the lerp rate is anyways so I'm just gonna disable it from being configurable for now

lol

[modern vector]

and it still errors

I guess I can't resize dungeons yippee

[subtle ingot]

this might help but i dont get it still

[modern vector]

I turned off configuring lerp rate and it's erroring

idk

This config mod seems to have a lot of bugs and I may just stop using it til the DawnLib conversion happens

[subtle ingot]

i think I'll stick with it because I'd rather have something that's being fixed up than something that'll only get worse

it's a bit of a pain to swap between LQ and lunar, but idk about CC since i never really liked it

[primal linden]

currently I'm using CC for moon/Interior settings (Except tags, LC changes that), and LC for Items and Enemies.
No issues using this

[late wing]

Not like the others are more stable, besides maybe LLL but its so limited

[modern vector]

Yeahhh

[late wing]

They all have issues

pick your poison i suppose…

[primal linden]

yyyup

[late wing]

although lunar is far from poison

[modern vector]

I don't like CC due to it being so invasive

ngl

[late wing]

its just rough around the edges

needs some sanding

[subtle ingot]

i trust that crafty will make lunar peak

[primal linden]

I just use CC for the moon/interior

Everything else on CC is disabled on my side

[subtle ingot]

i might do that for the meantime

[modern vector]

It still will forcefully mess with seed stuff unfortunately

and that causes issues

[subtle ingot]

idk about this, what is that?

i was not very active in central configs prime

[late wing]

What are you currently using config mods for?

[modern vector]

Mostly the moon stuff to configure Dungeons, but I tried to downsize the Rubber Rooms a little since it is far too large and it just errors from that apparently

[late wing]

is it even all that necessary? I always thought LLL was adequate for most things besides tags and enemies but usually enemy mods have their own config

[late wing]

hmm so like, the interior size for each moon?

or interior size in general?

[modern vector]

No I downsized it's values from 12-13 to 10-11

and it just doesn't like it

[subtle ingot]

i remember something about the rubber rooms kind of breaking down when pushed too small. is it possible it's related to that?

[modern vector]

Has nothing to do with this

those values are larger than what purple uses

[subtle ingot]

idk who purple is 💔💔

[modern vector]

It's a Lunar Config problem not an issue with the interior

[late wing]

are you 100% sure

[modern vector]

YES cus it is Lunar Config that errors.

[late wing]

have you checked to see if you did something different from purple

like missing a checkbox

or something