Science Bird Mods

[calm wedge]

Thanks both! I'll look into these.

Yeah, the freezing/stalling has basically been ruining multiplayer for me, nobody wants to keep relobbying 😓

[lean pendant]

doesnt seem to happen with just SBT and Diversity installed, so probably not a core issue of my mod at least

[calm wedge]

I do have LC Office installed (though I'd thought Xu had fixed its issues), but I don't have voxx's.

[fallow hornet]

jacob did fix most of the lc office issues

[lean pendant]

yeah definitely get voxx's, and if you're able, check which interior generated when you get stuck in the ship on landing (it'll be somewhere in the console logs). if it always gets stuck on a certain interior (like office) you'll know that's causing issues.

It definitely was prior to rewrite but havent tested since then and I assume it probably got (inadvertently) fixed

[calm wedge]

Will do, thank you both so much, this has been very frustrating of late lol.

Like, I just wanna die horrible deaths and not meet quota already

[north iris]

@lean pendant suggestion

tweak to make the radioactive barrels from fission-C SHUT THE HELL UP

[glad panther]

I personally do not find them much worse than Clocks with their noise

[spiral flame]

suggestion
tweak to make the clocks SHUT THE HELL UP

(I don't actually mind the clocks too much. The barrel I guess wasn't too bad either, but I think it was a bit worse. Jokingly, I want it to shut up. In actuality, I don' really mind)

[lean pendant]

I imagine it wouldnt be that hard to make a config blacklist of items to mute

[fallow hornet]

i know a few people that would put all the noisemaker scraps in there

[tribal spear]

Server client hell world for dogs getting attracted perchance

[lean pendant]

:3

[shadow lily]

Idea: They'll spawn ticking, but after you drop them after a certain number of times; they'll break and stop ticking

So their gimmick isn't gone entirely

[shadow lily]

Would you also be interested in adding a patch that allows earth leviathans to emerge anywhere

They can only emerge on terrain, so earth leviathans are non-functional on moons that don't have their terrain setup correctly, or the playable area lacks any terrain, e.g. Calt Prime and Prominence

[sturdy lion]

wdym by "terrain"?

just took a quick look at earth leviathan's code, they seem to be able to emergy anywhere with navmesh, are you asking for them to be able to emerge in places without navmesh?

[shadow lily]

Na

It's a weird thing like

They can only emerge when there's a player on the moon's geography

if said player then walks onto an artificial structure, say... one of Artifice's warehouses, the earth leviathan can no longer emerge on that player

[sturdy lion]

probably this then

i'd have to check the artifice's warehouses to make sure though

does it still make the emerging sound or just completely disappear?

[shadow lily]

No

When you look at the monitor (Or Imperium's mini-map), you can see the earth leviathan repeatedly snapping onto their target player that's on an artificial structure, trying to begin emerging, but doesn't actually go through with it

[sturdy lion]

oh actually i think i might be seeing what you mean

[shadow lily]

No noise, no particles, nothing

[sturdy lion]

                    for (int k = 0; k < StartOfRound.Instance.naturalSurfaceTags.Length; k++)
                    {
                        if (raycastHit.collider.CompareTag(StartOfRound.Instance.naturalSurfaceTags[k]) || (StartOfRound.Instance.currentLevel.levelID == 12 && raycastHit.collider.CompareTag("Rock")))
                        {
                            flag = true;
                        }
                    }

it's a bit indented so looks a bit weird

and i'd have to read more to really tell

but it might be that it wont emerge if you're not on a natural surface or "the 12th level with a tag of rock (probably embrion)"

does this seem consistent to you?

[shadow lily]

Ya

What seems consistent? Earth leviathans being unable to emerge on non-terrain/natural geometry?

If so, then yes

Every time

[north iris]

if you spawn earth leviathans on the moon "adoration"

they cant emerge

because the moons playable area isnt marked as natural terrain

[shadow lily]

Ya

I'm essentially asking for earth leviathans to not give a shit about natural tags, and to simply emerge whenever they're given the opportunity to

[north iris]

the thing is

this is how zeekerss created safe spots outside of the small radius around the ship that makes earth leviathans ignore you

if sciencebird tweaks were to add this, you can no longer use a few structures to regain stamina at an earth leviathan

[shadow lily]

Well, obviously, have the Ship be an exception, as well as ladders

[north iris]

plus the issue of clipping through stuff looking off

that said

[shadow lily]

As if forest keepers and eyeless dogs don't have the same issue?

[north iris]

zeekerss actually forgot to make the shed on artifice count

[shadow lily]

☠️

[north iris]

not really the same thing is a giant ass worm emerging through the ground

[shadow lily]

I mean

[north iris]

logically you would expect the structure in question to collapse

[shadow lily]

A giant-ass worm emerging through anything makes sense

[north iris]

or be eaten

[shadow lily]

and you would logically imagine a hole left behind from where a leviathan emerges, but it isn't there

Same with trees and scrap

[north iris]

worms actually dont leave holes behind in real life though

last i heard anyways

they just push dirt away from them, but it reforms

but trees and shit yeah

[shadow lily]

??
Yeah, the 40m biological drill is totally not going to leave any damage behind

Also, you're wrong regardless

[north iris]

my overarching point is zeekerss intentionally created things that make leviathans unable to pop out

[shadow lily]

I don't care

This gives the opportunity to integrate earth leviathans on finnicky moons (Like Prominence) better, and if you don't like the change, then disable it. Every option in ScienceBirdTweaks is optional. No since in complaining

[tribal spear]

Leviathan being destructive would be cool, hard to prevent soft locks if it removed game objects on collision though, I'd think a texture overlay would be easy-ish similar to quicksand

Actually just spawning an actual quicksand puddle is probably a decent approach

Loose dirt or something

[viral tide]

what are we arguing about

[spiral flame]

Some are saying I’m the best, others think I’m the second best

[glad panther]

I feel like this is an issue with moons, not the Worms. Removing checks like this could have unforeseen consequences

[glad panther]

Holes the size of the one these Works make would not completely fill themselves in. The lower parts would collapse but there at least would still be a divot at the top. There being no hole at all was for gameplay simplicity

[quaint viper]

and also i imagine it's a nightmare to implement beyond like a decal, or similar

[lapis olive]

"careful guys theres worms out there"
my PC:

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-on-smoke-cpu-blasts-potato-pc-gif-24592403

[lapis olive]

!!!feature request!!! would it be possible to add a config to hide the exhaust smoke from the cruiser? (And maybe even the old bird's exhaust too tbh)
IMO it never really looks good, but so often is wayyy too visible through all sorts of weather effects which makes it look 1000x worse.

Or if possible - but prob way harder to actually do - make it actually render below other detail layers instead of seemingly above every other effect.

[lean pendant]

yeah I've noticed that many times myself, there's a lot of weird render priority stuff lethal. would def like to fix it if it's do-able

[lapis olive]

So true. idk if anything else has that smoke effect beyond old birds and the cruiser... but if it's something inside it wouldn't be so noticeably bad looking from long distances so ig it wouldn't really matter.

[trail patrol]

wdym make it count

[north iris]

as a place earth leviathans cant pop out

[trail patrol]

yeah but levis can't pop out on the arti shed

[north iris]

not the big buildings

the small one

[trail patrol]

I'm pretty sure he fixed them being able to do so in an update

[north iris]

with the bathtub

oh did he

[trail patrol]

yeah ik

I had it happen on super early artifice and then ever again even when leviathans were active and near me or other players

and I also read he made sure they couldn't go in that shed LMAO

in some patch notes I think

[nimble pond]

he did change some of the earth leviathan's logic in v50 which was probably done to address this

[trail patrol]

yeh

[nimble pond]

i think earth leviathans also used to be unable to attack on embrion and then that got fixed

[trail patrol]

it was kinda bullshit dying there cuz like

you have to crouch to get out

and the place is super cramped so it's not easy to run away

[shadow lily]

How is that a fix

[trail patrol]

?

they couldn't attack on embrion

[north iris]

what

[trail patrol]

so it was fixed

[north iris]

yeah???

[trail patrol]

wdym how is that a fix LMAO

narpy please sleep at a normal time your brian ain't brianing

[north iris]

our dog, brian griffin, is dead

[nimble pond]

earth leviathans can not normally attack when their target is standing on rock

but the entire surface of embrion is considered rock

so in earlier versions of v50 earth leviathans could spawn and target players but they would endlessly grumble and never be able to attack

zeekerss allowed them to attack through rock when the ship is landed on embrion

[spiral flame]

Wait, the code still stops them attacking on rock unless the moon is Embrion? That feels... jank. Honestly, rock seems like something they could break, considering they're massive worms that live underground lol.

[sturdy lion]

yes to answer your question

[spiral flame]

Bruh just let them break through rock or change what Embrion's tagged as at that point 😭

[fallow hornet]

worms on Nephrite boutta feel real dumb

[lean pendant]

I assume it's because tags are used for footstep sounds, and some moons probably use the rock tag for some larger structures or obstacles, but the same tag has to be used for Embrion to get those footstep sounds.

[fallow hornet]

idk why the ground on embrion can't just be tagged the same as assurance ground

arent they the same sound anyway

[lean pendant]

assurance ground is tagged as sand iirc, but sand footsteps sound a lot like rock for some reason

[north iris]

not

really?

idk why so many people think the sand footstep sfx is weird

[lean pendant]

that's why for my own moon I used snow tag for my sand footsteps. I guess it's subjective though, just sounds a little gravelly to me

[north iris]

sand does not make gravely sounds unless you dig in it or something like that

[lean pendant]

I think it works well on assurance and offense and such because they're quite rocky moons

[north iris]

actually walking on sand irl when it isnt wet feels rougher and doesnt really emit any unique noise from stepping on concrete

[lean pendant]

depends a lot on the sand, but I get ya. when will zeekers add 10 different sound effects to account for varying soil density

[north iris]

add granny

[lean pendant]

[quaint viper]

add john

[sturdy lion]

i dont think theres a sand tag btw, pretty sure it's gravel

[north iris]

john company

[quaint viper]

you get it

[lean pendant]

ye, I meant the tag used for sandy moons, internally it's just called gravel (which explains the sound)

[tribal spear]

Please add to the mod :trolling:

[nimble pond]

there's not really any sandy footsteps

snow sounds too wet and crunchy

and there's two different varieties of "hard rock" (both rock and gravel)

i forget what the vanilla maps use

offense and assurance anyway

[sturdy lion]

they do gravel cuz worm, remember?

[lean pendant]

yeah, vanilla doesnt have any proper sandy moons, assurance and offense just use gravel

[nimble pond]

oh yeah that was the entire point of the conversation

oops

[sturdy lion]

[spiral flame]

I just can't really think of a moon where there's only some small area with floor with the rocky tag that worms are barred from. I guess the randomly placed little rocks but would that really stop the worm?

By giving Embrion a new tag I meant like call it "amethyst", "crystal", or something but it could still technically use the same footstep sound as rock.

[lean pendant]

yeah I also dont know, just guessing. my only idea would be the really big rocks on assurance and offense

[spiral flame]

Ah, yeah that makes sense

[north iris]

i can confirm random rocks dont stop them

what stops leviathans from emerging is checking the surface tag a player is standing on

different objects have different tags obviously

[spiral flame]

Yeah I know. I assumed those rocks might have the rock tag

[lean pendant]

I'm pretty sure the random rocks do have the rock tag, but idk enough about leviathan AI to say how that affects their behaviour. they could still easily emerge from the ground underneath the random rocks

[sturdy lion]

also u cant add tags to the game in runtime

[north iris]

youd have to be standing on top of the rock for them to not do it

[rich cove]

@lean pendant

Wanted to report a bug: the green light doesn't show when you disable spike traps with the zap gun for some odd reason

I'm not using any other mod in this clip other than imperium (and dependencies) and lcbettersaves

[lean pendant]

Thanks for the catch, accidentally left a mistake in the last hotfix. Fixed now 👍

[crimson thunder]

You think you can also add an option to hide the Clipboard in the cruiser?

[lean pendant]

a little more out of the way than removing ship objects, but yeah that's probably possible

[crimson thunder]

[north iris]

add a setting that breaks every single thunderstore ToS

[sturdy lion]

If only thunderstore had a ToS

[north iris]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-troll-troll-face-phonk-trollface-troll-face-scary-gif-11774658438127969407

[jagged sapphire]

dunno if this error broke something i didn't noticed, I just search if there's an error in my test run

[lean pendant]

probably an incompatibility with something else changing the hazards, I'll add some more safety to the code later 👍

[jagged sapphire]

afaik only fair ai I have that changing hazards

[lapis olive]

Idk if you've had time to look into the exhaust visibility thing @lean pendant but I tried a bunch of ways to get it to disappear using Darmuh's shipcolors (which can be a bit finicky because disabling rendering actually disables the whole object - meaning like you disable something from rendering and the audio and stuff from it gets disabled too)

Anyway tl;dr I can't get it to show up to be disabled using shipcolors, so I'm not sure how the particle system (I presume) works as far as rendering goes. Inb4 hardcoded lol

[lapis olive]

Unrelated but I'm having trouble conclusively testing this - does having apparatus true blackout off but these other config options enabled still work?

[lean pendant]

Yeah those should work independently last I checked

[lean pendant]

I've looked into it a bit myself as well, seems like a fundamental issue with the shader it uses but I have a few ideas to try

[north iris]

@lean pendant a couple suggestions
tweak to make eyeless dogs not hear tulip snakes flapping their wings on your head (yes, this actually happens)
tweak to not get uncrouched after being hit by a turret, cause theres a lot of times it happens a few frames after youre behind cover, and they just kill you anyways because of doing that

[lean pendant]

I'll add them to the list. I'm working on an update right now which will add a bunch of things that were suggested here, including some for enemy AI

[north iris]

🙏 🔥

[lean pendant]

funnily enough it looks like the flapping isnt what the dogs hear, it's the laughing sound effects they make

[shadow lily]

MANEATER BUFF WILL BECOME REALLL

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-rain-world-wide-groceries-miros-gif-27507609

[lean pendant]

hopefully! need to learn a bit more about that door stuff you were talking about

[north iris]

i see

still annoying as shit that you can just randomly die

[shadow lily]

Tbf that makes them more dangerous

They're an aggressive, although daytime entity

[sturdy lion]

the part with turrets hitting you causing you to uncrouch is all forms of damage btw

[lean pendant]

yeah prob something with the player animator I assume

[sturdy lion]

there's probably a hitting animation that the player uses that wont run unless the player is standing so zeekerss forces an uncrouch, my guess anyway

and if my guess is right itll bug out by repeating the damaged animation if you uncrouch later if the damage didnt uncrouch you

[lean pendant]

seems like the crouching might just be tied to the animator itself, at a glance I dont see any obvious place where the player is manually uncrouched

[north iris]

im pretty sure there is something that damages you that doesnt make you uncrouch

[sturdy lion]

this animation doesnt affect crouching

different layer entirely

i dont know where the uncrouching is happening either though

i'd have to check in ilspy or smthn

[lean pendant]

hmm, yeah I've only lightly messed with the player animator, it's a bit of a mess

[sturdy lion]

it's not something i'd like to touch at all, broke the players' arms and crouching a couple times myself

[north iris]

i guess if it cant be patched then oh well

not that its a patch

its just annoying as shit

[sturdy lion]

should be possible, just dunno where the code that triggers it is

[shadow lily]

Up Zeekerss' ass or something

[quaint viper]

Can we add the 5 fish of legend

[glad panther]

Have the force uncrouch when damaged be removed would be nice for me too. I have died a couple times to turrets in that way like Purple, and I suspect that there is trouble waiting to happen in the Mineshaft’s water tile

I asked about the water tile before and nobody could predict what would happen if you took damage while in it

[quaint viper]

1 fish 2 fish red fish blue fish

[lean pendant]

pretty funny but nothing gamebreaking

[sturdy lion]

ye game forces a crouch if you're not able to really be stood up like that

[lean pendant]

the crouching again thing actually seems to happen even outside of a tunnel, damage only makes you stand up for a bit, but that'd be hard to notice with something like a turret

[sturdy lion]

oh interesting

it might really be an animation thing then

but i couldnt really tell from looking at the animator

[lean pendant]

yeah even though it's on a different layer I'm thinking it's probably the damage animation temporarily overriding the crouch animation, will test that soon

[glad panther]

Hopefully it is that simple

[shadow lily]

Mask Fixes' tragedy masked aren't compatible /w Science Bird Tweak's masked scrap

If the masked is tragedy; it spawns comedies instead of tragedies

Any plans for this compat?

[lean pendant]

It's supposed to check what mask the enemy is wearing, but would depend how it's implemented. I'll have to check if it works with MaskFixes version of that or if it's just that mod specifically

[north iris]

wonder if it works with seichi onis

i have both in my main mod pack i just dont use the collectable masks because i think its too strong

masked are arguably the easiest monster to kill, and the game practically forces you to fight them due to how theyre designed

im not one for there being a reward for it

but i can check the oni mask

[lean pendant]

yeah that's fair, that's why I made them really low value by default, too easy to farm otherwise. but overall I like there being some incentive to kill enemies, so I use it in conjunction with the lategame upgrades enemy drops

[lean pendant]

I'd assume not unless it uses a mask with the exact same name internally as vanilla, probably not too hard to add compatibility though

[north iris]

yeah it doesnt work

[nimble pond]

mask fixes would cause this issue yes

i have to apply the mask mesh and sound effects to the comedy mask

because the tragedy mask is disabled by default

and won't play sound effects if it's re-enabled because it's a network behaviour

even vanilla wouldnt have correct behavior with this mod though

because tragedy masks look like a comedy mask in vanilla

so you'd put on a tragedy mask -> become a comedy masked -> drop a tragedy mask

if you're checking the mask type

[lean pendant]

what I do is check what the active game object on the masked enemy is, I assumed that the disabled tragedy object would actually be the one used but I guess not. in that case I can just check the mesh renderer directly I guess

[nimble pond]

yeah if you want cross compatibility you'll need to check the mesh renderer

sorry it's a little hacky

[lean pendant]

no problem, I've dealt with plenty of hacks in my time

[glass lodge]

Ik this is more personal tweaks but could I request a tweak the modifies another mod?

Id be to be able to disable the moreinteriors bunker rats, interior works fine besides them fucking up the bestiary

[lean pendant]

if it's not too hard I'll see what I can do

[glass lodge]

nice, I love that mod and despite its age it works perfect besides that

[trail patrol]

isn't it possible to just downgrade to a previous version of it without the rats?

the version I use without em works just fine, unless newer versions have like extra tiles i don't think you'd be missing out on anything if you downgrade

[glass lodge]

I like to use the update all button so a way to not have to do that

would be nice

I cant imagine id be that hard a tweak

to disable their spawns

[trail patrol]

iirc there's like,,, other issues w the interior other than the rats on newer versions

like the generation just tweaks out and some tiles just make the game crash, or I recall hearing smth like that at some point

[glass lodge]

dam

[trail patrol]

yeah 2.2.0. was the one before the rats

and the versions after did some changes to the generation which may or may not have fucked up some stuff

[glass lodge]

man I wish someone would rip the files and try to fix it

like voxx did with the older sector 0s

[trail patrol]

uhmmm

I'm 99% voxx was able to do that because rosie had the files

the main reason why bunker wasn't updated is that major's pc just fucking exploded and he lost everything

[glass lodge]

nah rosie lost the files

thats why there are 3 versions

last I remember

[trail patrol]

for real?

I thoguht rosie was just a perfectionist

how did they lost the files like, 3 times

that's unfortunate

[glass lodge]

well twice

since she redid it twice

[trail patrol]

true true

[lean pendant]

yeah it should be possible to decompile and rebuild it (not something I'm interested in, but if somebody has sufficient dedication it's certainly possible)

so should I still look into disabling the enemy or is it not worth it if the newest version has other problems?

[glass lodge]

prob not worth it

Ill try and find someone to pick it up tho

since a decomp is probable

[lean pendant]

lol what

uhh, if you have any logs I can see if it's an issue on my end

also idc since this thread is basically for everything, but I also have a thread for Wither specific stuff too https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1338282728918880399

I'm in the middle of rewriting Wither's scripts for an update later on, so if it is an issue with me it'll probably be fixed whenever that gets done

[lean pendant]

also there's some other really whacky stuff going on in that video, did one of you get an apparatus and it de-synced? since it isn't there in the socket, that might be the root cause

[viral tide]

oh yeah

on my friend's end the apparatus was invisible

in orbit

[lean pendant]

was it from the map?

[viral tide]

after we left Vacuity

Nah

Vacuity

by

luakite

[lean pendant]

ahh, okay then I guess that's an issue with Vacuity that ended up causing issues with Wither. if one of you doesn't have the apparatus on your client it's def gonna cause issues

[viral tide]

well we also restarted actually

we left vacuity

went to wither

restarted

also

what causes items to not produce sounds

like

[lean pendant]

if the apparatus is still invisible it's definitely still de-synced. from what I've seen with other maps that have that have had that issue in the past (e.g. Tomb), restarting doesn't fix it, it's on the person who made the mod to register the item correctly.

[viral tide]

it feels like items are producing less pick up and dropping sounds

[lean pendant]

do you have LCMaxSoundsFix?

[viral tide]

hm

i couldve sworn the apparatus made a sound when you picked it up

and sniper's pillow and abandoned company asset's emergency flare

[lean pendant]

no it doesn't, I also thought that was weird but it's only on drop. it does make a sound when you initially pull it out of socket but not after that

[viral tide]

k

ALSO

The Pinto Boy is like

floating in midair

and then falling

its so weird

ill get a vid

[lean pendant]

haven't tested that one myself, but it'd be weird if it had an incompatibility with a moon. if it's all the same session with the invisible apparatus could be generally de-sync related, not sure though.

[restive schooner]

Yeah that just happens with the pintoboy. Iirc if you set its offset to 0 in MattysFixes, it fixes it

[viral tide]

no i mean when you drop it

like it has this weird animation where it like

[restive schooner]

Does it fall upwards?

[viral tide]

a little bit and then it falls onto the ground

[restive schooner]

Curious. I'll have to check later to see if it does in my pack 🤔

[trail patrol]

if vodka knew interiors I know they would be super down to do it, they've been looking to pick up dead moon mods he loves

[glass lodge]

would he be open to suggestions?(Reale is working on LE ports but maybe some older LLL moon updates would be nice haha)

been a min since I talked to them

didnt know they were still active

tbh

lol

[trail patrol]

I don't know, you'd have to ask them but I they kinda just go with the flow

[trail patrol]

they're still around

the only reason altMoons hasn't updated is because batby still hasn't fixed the one issue that kills the update they worked on

scene selection is still fucking Dead

like it's set up just fine, and works offline but I think it desyncs? I'm not super sure on the deets but they can't release the update cuz of that

[glass lodge]

hm, batby's classes have been hell lol

[trail patrol]

yeah so I've heard

I can't imagine It'd be easy to do classwork and LLL at the same time

is batby from the US? cuz like if so I think they might be coming up on sunmer break

[glass lodge]

ofc

[lean pendant]

hoping everything will be fine compatibility-wise when v70 rolls around 🥴

[trail patrol]

don't wanna speculate though, just hope all goes well with his classes lol

[trail patrol]

please god i hope so

[glass lodge]

I think hes australian

if im remembering right

[trail patrol]

I don't wanna go through early 2024 LC where you couldn't use any interiors cuz they'd all desync constantly

[glass lodge]

or im thinking of someone else

lol

[trail patrol]

got no idea, lmao

but hopefully school's going good for em

[glass lodge]

hope when he gets less busy in the summer we can get some projects done 😉

[lean pendant]

v70 is just adding tiles and making changes to existing moons I think, so hopefully shouldnt be anything like mineshaft update

[trail patrol]

yeah hopefully not

it's new content but not like.... new content

[glass lodge]

plot twist he recodes the entire game

[trail patrol]

he updates unity

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/772415790061977600/795098125995474954/image0.gif

[glass lodge]

he switches engines

[lean pendant]

I'm expecting I'll have to be looking through a lot of code changes regardless, sciencebird tweaks touches basically everything at this point lol

[glass lodge]

we still need a skin for manticoils so they wear lab coats

so the mod is true

to the name

[lean pendant]

true...

[viral tide]

only for clients it seems as well

[blazing onyx]

i noticed in discussions before, there was chatter regarding people falling through the ship with some of your mods, perhaps a long time ago, but im just wondering, is there something you changed in the last update regarding below the ship?

i think i either have a corrupted save, or just one bugging out due to a mod, but, not sure which mod yet, but only ScienceBirdTweaks updated in the last 7 days since i last played with no issue. going to turn off a tonne of mods, and see if i can fix the save, but it may just be borked, just thought id ask.

[lean pendant]

There's an existing issue with other mods that MoreCupboards might make worse (which only happens on the company moon), but nothing like that with ScienceBird Tweaks as far as I know. I update fairly frequently, but all really small stuff, nothing I can think of that would cause big problems like that. Let me know if it does end up being anything with me though.

[blazing onyx]

ok, well i know whats leading to me falling out of the ship.

the lobby is bugged, so i fall out of the ship...
if there is no shipwindowsbeta.. i bounce off the floor non-stop
if there is shipwindowsbeta, i fall through the floor into oblivion (presumably because im falling into the skybox instead of a brick wall)

so its not your mod, and not really ship windows fault either, as imho its the "bouncing" issue XD, might try deleting all beltbags or something as thats what erroring.

edit: fixed it by using imperium to move all items to normal positions within the ship.

[north iris]

i theorized it was sciencebird tweaks because this issue wasnt happening until like a month or so ago, and one of the only mods that couldve been logically causing it at that time wouldve been sciencebird tweaks

i dont actually believe it is anymore, but i still experience it, and i have no clue what could be causing it

[blazing onyx]

well, the issue itself is seemingly due to an item within the floor of the ship.

i remove the item, and things behave normally again.

[north iris]

more descriptive?

[blazing onyx]

for example, i had a belt bag stuck in the floor, now i removed that, and still got the issue, but i moved EVERY item using imperium (without ship windows installed so i didnt fall through the floor) and i stopped falling through the floor

to be fair.. because i had tonnes of mods off.. all my items moved a bit by themselves, because i had nothing to stop them falling...

so it could be an item fell into the void, which fixed the issue.

[north iris]

hmmm belt bags and jetpacks do this frequently

even with mattyfixes/smartitemsaving/etc

[blazing onyx]

well i noticed i had a second item position and rotation fix mod installed, i probably should only have one (explains why ive had issues in the past), also, i think i bought normal jetpacks... for the first time in months.. (discount).. which maybe triggered the issue

i normally use "takeypacks" (jetpacks with a theme, for the same price)

[dusky pumice]

@lean pendant

the mask does not have the mask on when I kill them but I have your config enabled

[lean pendant]

any logs?

[dusky pumice]

I can get them but here is the code also

0196bbb7-f38f-fd05-22ae-d65e7226dcc1

[fallow hornet]

this is probably why

in GI

[dusky pumice]

oh

[lean pendant]

yeah there needs to actually be a mask for it to work

[lean pendant]

huge update for those who like playing with buttons

[shadow lily]

PEAKK

[fallow hornet]

what do they do

[lean pendant]

stimulate your neurons

(some of them are able to control the floodlight if you have that enabled)

[oak veldt]

a friend is asking if you can make one of these buttons explode a player

[lean pendant]

I could, but I'm not sure if I should...

[halcyon sable]

it would be funny

[oak veldt]

(if possible, add a config to add steam names)

[lean pendant]

it'd be nice if there was some way to add totally configurable functions or something, would need a whole API for that though

[north iris]

add a button to instantly kill anyone using mods
(as in,"its not a cheat, its a mod!")

[sturdy lion]

add a big red button that says dont press, it does nothing

[lean pendant]

actually configurable button tooltips would be pretty easy, might do that for fun

[trail patrol]

fidget toys in my lethal gompany

insane

[lean pendant]

it's what lethal was truly missing

[trail patrol]

so true!!

[restive schooner]

Honestly this is great

[spiral flame]

https://tenor.com/view/merry-christmas-elf-elevator-click-all-the-buttons-gif-15709847

[glad panther]

One of the buttons starts the eject sequence

[jagged sapphire]

i remember the april fools mod 🤣 when trying to open the ship door you are immediately fired

on orbit

[shadow lily]

Would you be interested in implementing this?

[fallow hornet]

Why should the fox not be affected

[lean pendant]

a bit involved for something non-vanilla, so not a major priority for me. maybe if zeekers brings back the kidnapper fox someday

[shadow lily]

Tbf you've done similar for mods, but if you don't want to do it, then fair enough

[shadow lily]

Considering they have a spawn cap of one, and a low spawn curve, it makes the threat of them very irrelevant when you can just wipe them out with a Cruiser

[fallow hornet]

it doesnt make sense to me though

it is the exact kind of thing you should be able to run over

[shadow lily]

Again, it makes them irrelevant

and they're low enough to the ground where I could see them realistically slipping under the car as it passes over them

[lean pendant]

I usually stick to small fixes for mods since they're generally harder to work with than vanilla patches. something like the Wesley tape skip was one of the hardest things I've put together and I'd only do something like that if I have a large motivation to do so (and feel like there's a lot of player demand).

I don't mind you asking though, since this is basically the misc bullshit mod, but I can only prioritize so many things

[viral tide]

@lean pendant this only removes collision, no texture or geometry right?

[lean pendant]

yes 👍

[north iris]

@lean pendant this isnt as much of an issue as it would be if you were to have the arachnophobia mod installed at the same time
but basically, your zap gun rework is causing spider webs to be able to block connections with actually zapping things

[lean pendant]

I can probably look into adding an edge case, but it should only matter when it comes to zapping other players, since enemies are a higher priority than map hazards

[north iris]

thats interesting actually

i forgot that theres a priority setting

so the way i discovered this was playing with the haunted harpist
i made them explodable with the zap gun(via usefulzapgun, shouldnt be related to this afaik), and when i tried to target them, the zap gun just wouldnt pick up they were there, and at the time, there was a spider web in front of me

i tested this with multiple vanilla game monsters, but it doesnt happen quite as consistently as it does to the harpist, probably due to how their hitbox is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/566441260689129482/1371392175807397969/8mb.video-kK6-gTy1S0f8.mp4?ex=6823a0bd&is=68224f3d&hm=e17e7d5a49c805c273206895d39fd110e14e55c3a91c1c8c691d992282ae6945&

tbh its hard to tell if it is even a thing happening

but i have no other explanation for the past events

and yes i made the top priority as enemies

additionally, ive never had issues with targeting the harpist, aside from just distance

its always worked just fine before

[lean pendant]

looks like it's just being picky about distance, but I can do some debugging with the raycast to make sure everything's working properly

[lean pendant]

ScienceBird Tweaks 4.2.0: I Heard You Liked Quality of Life

• Many new small tweaks of various sorts:

  • Taking damage will no longer cause you to stand up
    -# (suggested by Purple)
  • Opening the belt bag interface will clear any scan nodes on your screen
    -# (suggested by Purple)
  • Cruiser exhaust and other smoke effects are no longer be visible through fog
    -# (suggested by Geist)
  • Most scrap items that make passive noise can be muted in a config list, including masks, the clock, animated items, and Wesley's radioactive barrels
    -# (suggested by various people)
  • The starting moon can now be configured to something other than Experimentation
    -# (suggested by AdjectiveNounNumber)
  • When (vanilla) bridges collapse, the items on them will now fall as well
    -# (suggested by Narpy/Purple)
  • When starting a hold interaction before you've moved your cursor over the trigger, the hold tip will now still display
  • Option in technical/debug config to disable all red warning pop-ups
  • Mod tweak fixing ShipWindowsBeta shutters not closing when entering orbit
  • Mod tweak fixing ship lever being interactable while routing with LLL

• New tweaks for enemies:

  • Fix for coilhead sightlines being calculated incorrectly for players in the mineshaft elevator
  • Ability to override the list of "natural surfaces" which Earth Leviathans use to determine what they can burrow through
    -# (suggested by Narpy)
  • Option for Earth Leviathans to spawn quicksand where they enter and exit the ground
    -# (suggested by xameryn)
  • Maneater can be adjusted to exit its transformation animation when hit and its door opening speed can be increased
    -# (suggested by Narpy)
  • Tulip Snake laughing triggering Eyeless Dogs can be disabled
    -# (suggested by Purple)

• New "ship additions" category (including rotating floodlight):

  • More ship panel controls for the rotating floodlight: position reset button, rotation speed knob, and player targeting toggle (and a few other refinements to the code)
  • Fully interactable "fancy ship panel" just for fun, easy for mods to patch in functions (also comes with dynamic light animations)
  • Customizable "maximum occupancy" sign, which can update dynamically as players join
  • Notification sound effect transmission to all players upon player death
  • Bodies auto-teleport (if there's a teleporter) and are collected upon death, with special notification if the teleport fails

• Changes and overhauls to existing tweaks:

  • Shotgun unloading totally rewritten to cause less prefab issues, give a visual indicator, and be integrated with LCAmmoCheck's animation (with the author's permission), so you now check the chambers and hold the button down to eject
    -# (suggested by Geist)
  • Ship Removals now includes an option to remove the clipboard manual from the cruiser
    -# (suggested by Lunxara)
  • When any True Blackout occurs, a global sound effect plays
  • Fixed Ship Objects now has a configurable blacklist/whitelist for modded items (rather than all-or-nothing)
  • Gimme That Mask now correctly finds tragedy masks and also supports Seichi's oni masked

• Some experimental tools to adjust and debug interior generation and scrap spawns:

  • Config section allowing you to spawn an additional amount of scrap whenever an interior generates
  • Logging option which will calculate the "scrap density" of an interior, based on the total area of its tiles and amount of scrap spawned

• Totally overhauled config to hopefully make it a bit more nicely organized and readable

  • This will mean you'll need to re-setup all of your config after updating

[sturdy lion]

the fix with the ship lever being interactable with LLL would be pretty nice as a PR to LLL if possible

im also curious to see where in zeekerss code taking damage forced the player to stand up, i didnt look more than however much i did last time but it was fairly bizzare

[lean pendant]

it's just the damage animation which makes you do it, so I just reset the animation trigger after the damage animation.

as for LLL, my fix is completely external and a bit scuffed (I just continuously update the interactable flag while the routing is happening). I assume fixing it in LLL would be done differently (and generally better). I dont actually know what causes the issue in LLL, I just threw the fix in last minute because it was easy

[sturdy lion]

afaik you're both fighting for the lever in Update 💀

[buoyant fractal]

:<

[nocturne ether]

Small price to pay

[lean pendant]

luckily I'd win

[sturdy lion]

dam

[gloomy cove]

banger update

I wonder how the 'grab mask on death' feature works ? I see in the image it works with the seichi custom mask, so what about other custom mask ?

[lean pendant]

I just find the mask on the body and replace it with the actual item, but I need to add in a check for each one. right now it's just comedy, tragedy, and oni.

[crimson thunder]

I will say I think the change to ShipWindows Beta was intentional lol, cus when going back into orbit it's bot as necessary and the voice line used to bug out a lot with the original mod that being said I don't mind the option to restore the behavior

I asked TestAccount about it once and he never said it wasn't in fact he kinda just ignored the question lol

Also I'm impressed by how large this update is lol you fucking cooked 🔥

[gloomy cove]

Oh perfect then, I was afraid of the compatibility with the Majora mask but since a manual check is needed then compatibility is good! Nice work

[crimson thunder]

The Ship Windows tweak doesn't even appear to work in my testing

lol

Yeah it does nothing

[kind matrix]

Question about the "Config section allowing you to spawn an additional amount of scrap whenever an interior generates"
Would this still work with mods that edit what scraps spawn, like LethalQuantities?

[crimson thunder]

0196ca6b-c2e8-a8b1-c87f-71aa068287ea My pack if you need to test, I suspect you didn't account for compat with Wider + 2SS potentially

[north iris]

does lethalquantities have a setting for additional scrap spawns depending on interior?

what the setting is referring to is what mineshaft does

not like, scrap injection

[kind matrix]

Nope

Just lets you specify the scrap spawns, amount etc.

[north iris]

well then i dont think it will conflict

extra scrap via specific interior is a different thing

[kind matrix]

wanted to make sure, because some things dont work with LQ like that
Like LethalElements blacklist for creatures not spawning outside during snowfall are ignored by whatever you set in LethalQuantities

[sturdy lion]

it's not really, no one who saw the code when that came out was happy with it

it's literally just hard coded if mineshaft, give extra scrap

it would be nice if different interiors could define extra scraps to their scrap pools

[north iris]

https://tenor.com/view/half-sword-gif-164259582336575534

[sturdy lion]

but nope, just a mineshaft thing

[nimble pond]

if LQ doesnt correctly assign currentDungeonType then it actually wont work still

Lol

or if it reorders and changes dungeon IDs

because the value is hardcoded like xu posted

[kind matrix]

If you mean for the Mineshaft, it does
The +6 scraps spawn in with LQ
Dunno about this new ScienceBird setting though, gonna test in a second

[oak veldt]

I'm satisfied with the update

[kind matrix]

From my testing, it seems to work

[glad panther]

I am surprised you remembered my starting moon suggestion, thanks for that!

[lean pendant]

yeah I figured it was something like that. I asked about it in the thread a while ago but seems like testaccount is pretty busy with IRL stuff. thanks for the info, I'll make a note of that in the README.

I'll also do some testing with wider and 2story ship later today

[vale wind]

Is the auto tp body button toggable?

If not, it's a good idea

[lean pendant]

as of now, the auto tp will just always happen if you have it enabled in config (all gameplay affecting stuff is off by default)

[vale wind]

Ah k

[wicked ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

How the hell can someone cook this hard
You do know the city is on fire, right? No longer just the kitchen

The option to have more scrap based on interior is going to be so helpful on some interiors
Also the customizable "maximum occupancy" sign is the best thing ever thank you

[oak veldt]

the "Body Unrecoverable" message appears only when you have the auto tp enabled?

if it is, it's a good idea to have an option to see it with no auto tp

[lean pendant]

yes, and only when a body is automatically teleported. the idea behind the auto teleport is for it to be a death notification

It shouldn't be that hard to make it more separately configurable, I was already thinking about that

[oak veldt]

understandable

[north iris]

appreciate you remembering my belt bag report btw, i guess it was just a lot harder to think of a fix for and it took a bit of time due to that

but im happy that bullshit wont happen anymore to me when im playing my mod pack

[lean pendant]

it wasnt that bad, I just hadnt bothered to learn much about HUD stuff until now (which is why I did a bunch of other ui fixes). though I did have to add an extra case for gooditemscan which handles scan nodes differently

[shadow lily]

Would you be interested in having the Apparatus True Blackout ignore fire exit lights and lamp posts on the ice moons

1. I imagine they're on another power grid due to their significance, and 2. Makes navigating in a dark facility more unbearable

Also, peak btw

Thank you for all ur work 💚

[lean pendant]

yeah I think i'd be down with adding an option for that, true blackout is pretty cruel lol. gotta pack like 3 flashlights

[shadow lily]

or radar booster if you're demented enough

These are requests btw you don't have to do them, but it'd be nice if there was a sub-option for making only LethalPerformance shut up

Oh I forgot Discord's dying

Disable Warning Popups is the config option I'm talking abt

GRAH THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING

Ugh

Check and Unload Animation

I remember the mod for it used to break viewmodels despite being very good, so seeing it here is amazing

Tysm

[lean pendant]

I didnt want to make anything too targeted against a mod maker's intentions, but it will work for solving that issue. there arent that many important warning popups anyways

[shadow lily]

Alr

[oak veldt]

OOH

THAY EXPLAINS MY IMAGE

[shadow lily]

Last yap session, a critque I meant to make awhile ago is for the Dust Clouds Noise is for it to use Experimentation's ambience, not Rend/Dine's

Experimentation utilizes Dust Cloud's particles anyway, and is overall weaker than Rend/Dine's blizzards

[trail patrol]

yeah LMAO

[oak veldt]

I mean, the discord dying

[shadow lily]

Monty pissed on the server computers I have photographic evidence

[oak veldt]

but teah, that thing too :]

[shadow lily]

Source: Trust me

[lean pendant]

I dont think experimentation has special ambience except for the wind height based audio (when youre higher up the volume of wind audio increases, this happens on a few maps), I might be wrong tho

I chose the blizzard sfx since it stands out more and doesnt sound like regular ambient audio, since the dust clouds are supposed to be more of an actual hazard

[shadow lily]

I'm pretty sure it does

E.g. if you're high up on Assurance, it just sounds like normal blowing wind

[lean pendant]

yeah ill have to check myself later, I just dont remember anything but the wind height thing

[shadow lily]

On Experimentation, it sounds like there's something physically moving in the air

[shadow lily]

Tbf Foggy exists

The weather feels more ambient personally

If we assume that the weather isn't an early version of Foggy, that is

[lean pendant]

fair, dust clouds is a moving weather effect so I like the idea of it being a "sandstorm" sort of thing. rend/dine blizzard fog is also moving the same way

[glad panther]

I do think Experimentation’s ambience is different from the generic wind blowing sfx, and LethalResonance has separate sounds for both fwiw

[shadow lily]

Pluh!

[oak veldt]

I was never able to make the dustcloud mod to work :,]

[shadow lily]

Dusted?

It works for me

You have to set the moon names you want for the weather to be on in both WR and Dusted's configs

[lament aurora]

I don't think this is already in the mod but it would be cool if there was an option for the blackout weather to only turn off the sunlight while having the other lights continue? (like asteroid 13)

[shadow lily]

It's... stupid, but yeah

That's what you have to do

[oak veldt]

do you have a config?

for both

[shadow lily]

Man, rlly wish I could show screenshots rn 🥲

but yes

[lament aurora]

like this right?

[shadow lily]

Ya

Same thing in WR's config I'm pretty sure

[lament aurora]

hope that screenshot helps

[shadow lily]

That's just how I did it at least

[lament aurora]

@lean pendant (not sure if pinging is too much I just don't wanna have this suggestion get buried)

[lean pendant]

that should be pretty simple to have as an option, yeah

[lament aurora]

cool

also another thing with that is that the apparatus blackout would have the lights go off so you can have a double one

[north iris]

@lean pendant wait so

by default sciencebird tweaks makes mineshafts no longer have extra scrap spawn?

[shadow lily]

The maneater changes are great

I can't thank you enough lmao

[lean pendant]

my interior scrap adding is in addition to whatever's hard coded in vanilla, so mineshaft extra scrap is untouched

[north iris]

oh i see

[glad panther]

Minecraft +12 scrap 🤑

[north iris]

ah, the joy of not having to have a complicated start to this mod pack anymore

[glad panther]

I am glad Science Bird did not forget my idea, I honestly kinda did myself

[lean pendant]

I write down almost every suggestion I get and put it in a big list (no promises I get to everything tho)

[shadow lily]

Disregard what I said; some mod, probably Dusted, adds it by default

[glad panther]

Good idea, that is what I do myself when debugging my modpack

[lean pendant]

it wouldnt be dusted im pretty sure, but I can look into the sfx and consider using it if I think it's better than blizzard

[shadow lily]

Might be Imperium actually Idk

Nvm it's not

Let me check if it's Dusted then

It's inconsistent

What the fuck is going on lmao

I have no idea, man

[lean pendant]

also fyi, you can technically do this via config if you have enough technical know-how about the light objects names and where theyre located. that's not very accessible though, so I add options when I can

[north iris]

@lean pendant whats the tag for the footsteps of carpet

(its probably just carpet i just wanna make sure)

[lean pendant]

uhhh, I feel like it's just carpet or something? theres chance I forgot to include some tags for earth leviathan thing, I'll check when im next able to

[north iris]

well

im currently standing here on filitrios

and this guy is just not popping out

so either filitrios has insane earth levaithan blockers when they dont even spawn naturally to begin with

or the tweak doesnt work

oh no ok its just filitrios

wtf

above and below

[lean pendant]

I tested a bit on stuff like calt prime and kast for metal and concrete, mighta forgotten carpet tho

[north iris]

why does it have pop out blockers 😭

[lean pendant]

I would not wish filitrios earth leviathans on my worst enemy

the dogs are bad enough 😭

[north iris]

but the outside nutcrackers (besides the one you can spawn) are gone

so its balanced!!!

[glad panther]

You could say they make transfers rather arduous

[north iris]

https://tenor.com/view/scanning-for-zoom-in-gif-2015240526116298383

[trail patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-gif-4794263998520089114

[north iris]

@lean pendant do you get teleported after being corrupted by a masked with auto teleport?

[lean pendant]

I believe that counts as the body being unrecoverable, since the player corpse doesnt exist. dont think I tested it tho

I might actually just disable it for masks to keep it mysterious

[tribal spear]

What's one more config option at this point 🚬

[shadow lily]

@lean pendant @sturdy lion Idk who's at fault here, either this mod or CodeRebirth, but I'm getting the tzp bug for some reason upon load now
0196cc52-fa9b-3d64-bb23-c8730da9039e

[crimson thunder]

It's neither mod cus my pack is fine

[shadow lily]

Nvm, reinstalling Lethal Company fixed it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crimson thunder]

@lean pendant This errored out and the game soft locked

[lean pendant]

wtf, I havent touched that in months 😭, I guess that might explain why the implementation is subpar

anyways looks easily fixable with better implementation

[noble estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[lean pendant]

Figured this out: the way it's implemented it's tied to the "hide transitions" ShipWindowsBeta config. Since I'm using ShipWindows' existing methods to close the shutters (to minimize breaking any of the existing logic), my choice is either the transition shutters event or the landing one, and since the landing one waits for the ship doors to open (which wont ever happen when leaving a moon) I have to use the transition shutters event.

might figure out a less hacky way to do it, but for the moment you'll need hide transitions enabled for it to take effect.

[crimson thunder]

The only thing I miss with your tooltip for the shotgun vs the seperate mod is enabling the colors btw lol, but dunno if that has a performance impact

[lean pendant]

havent messed with the tooltips in a while since I was focusing on all the other shotgun stuff, I can look into that though

[crimson thunder]

Ah lol yeah I turned that off cus I always felt it wasn't needed but that makes sense

[lapis olive]

Insanely goated update holy moly

Does the LCammocheck integration make it incompatible with the separate LCammocheck (old, specifically) mod btw?
I'm just wondering if I need to immediately remove it upon this update - bc if it doesn't outright break I might leave it in until I overhaul my pack with v70

[lean pendant]

it should be fine as long as you dont have the unload animation or shells unloading enabled in my config, otherwise there'd be two mods trying to do the same thing

[north iris]

maybe too specific of a suggestion

but i just realized the coderebirth puppeteer also has a mask
is it possible to make it able to be picked up alongside the other drops

[lean pendant]

I'm willing to add compatibility for any creature which wears a mask that is also a scrap item (e.g. seichi's oni)

[north iris]

would also make it more worth it to actually kill, which is not easy to do at all

[quaint viper]

tbf it already gives u a weapon and a scrap so I mean

[north iris]

its like ~70 credits

in total

and the weapon is currently just a knife reskin

i know they plan to make it more special but its still just excruciating to put in the effort to kill it and be rewarded with just that

[fallow hornet]

It's a better reward than the butler at least

[north iris]

disagree tbh

[quaint viper]

for first kill only

since u can just farm knives after that lol

[north iris]

when you have a knife, all butlers are easily profitable, yeah

the puppeteer is not the same

[fallow hornet]

Hmmm

[north iris]

and even if you dont have a knife, theyre way easier to kill than the puppeteer is

[sturdy lion]

the reward for killing the puppeteer is moreso meant to be being released from the torture that is a secondary heart

[north iris]

thats understandable

[sturdy lion]

yeah, i wouldnt mind seeing extra scrap drop though he is a strong mfer

[north iris]

can still take like 3 in game hours to find it

after you get the doll

at that point you might as well just deal with it

[sturdy lion]

yeah he specifically teleports somewhere far from where you are

randomly atleast 30 units away from ya

[jagged sapphire]

small issue with the recent update.
I have this mod called RandomMoonFX which when the lever is pulled, it will land the ship on a random moon
with the new update, the lever now need to be pulled twice to land the ship
the previous version don't have this issue.
just these 2 mods I tried with my testing

[lean pendant]

wowza that's a wild one, it literally happens with every config option in the mod disabled. it'll take some debugging but hopefully I can narrow it down

[north iris]

minor inconvenience

[jagged sapphire]

yeah just minor one not a priority 😅

[glad panther]

My modpack has the Halls of Flesh interior, which has a built-in +6 scrap modifier. How does this interact with this mod’s scrap modifiers, is the interior’s own modifier overridden?

[lean pendant]

there's no actual standard for interior modifiers, so any interior that does it will have their own system. I do mine manually at runtime as it's generated, so there shouldnt be any conflicts as far as I can tell.

i.e. any modifiers from my mod will just add on top (same with vanilla mineshaft)

[glad panther]

Sounds good, thanks

[lean pendant]

Quick patch is out for some small things:

• New blackout config to keep guidance poles, keep emergency exit lights, or only blackout the sun
• Option to enable the "body unrecoverable" message any time a teleport fails regardless of auto-teleport
• Auto teleport now has a bit of a delay before activating, and will completely ignore death by mask
• Fixed not all surfaces being included with Earth Leviathan config by default
• Slight changes to the timing of the blackout sound effect
• Rewrote old code to fix errors with big screw
• Fixed things breaking without LLL installed
• Fixed weird patch incompatibility with RandomMoonFX

[gloomy cove]

lmao?

ah it's fixed lol

[lean pendant]

I was patching a method and immediately returning but that somehow still caused issues so I just used a different method 😭

[gloomy cove]

oh weird

[jagged sapphire]

that was fast 😳

[shadow lily]

Getting this error in my Vanilla+ pack (Pre-patch)
0196ce48-1de6-2841-a9d6-0cf82ae70caa

[lean pendant]

what exactly is the error you're getting? cant see much in the log

[shadow lily]

Oh ew it didn't pick it up

Hold on

Whatever this is

Causes the moon to fail loading and softlock the ship

Post-patch doesn't fix it

[lean pendant]

I'll add some safety so it shouldnt be possible to lock up anymore, but it also shouldnt be possible to end up in this state in the first place. are you using the clientside mode and fancypanel configs?

[shadow lily]

Yes

[lean pendant]

gotcha, I'll fix a few things up

[lean pendant]

should be fixed now 👍

[shadow lily]

Yayayayayyyaa

[nimble pond]

@lean pendant just curious... do all the gameplay changing options that could be implemented client-side (like snare flea forgiveness, as an example) automatically get disabled when running clientside mode

[lean pendant]

as of the recent patch I made it so stuff that involves network prefabs automatically get disabled (I already had it so the network prefabs wouldnt register, but now the tweaks themselves are also disabled), but havent gotten around to anything more than that.

clientside mode is a bit of an experimental extra thing I threw in, not something I super strongly support, so it's not exactly fully fleshed out.

[nimble pond]

i see

for what my opinion is worth i feel like "client side mode" sort of implies it shouldn't change gameplay in any major ways

since it needs to be compatible with vanilla lobbies

and with how many options exist for changing game balance i think some sort of way to ensure "mostly vanilla" gameplay would be nice

whether that's just "use client side mode as a host and then that limits what other players can use" or maybe an alternative of "everyone uses the host's config if client side mode is off"

i understand both are not effortless implementations though

and i have generally good faith my friends will be playing fair, so

[viral tide]

@lean pendant Has a fix for the "Hands Full" tooltip been applied when opening doors with ur hands full/putting them in a cupboard

[lean pendant]

yeah ideally that would be the case. I probably need to generalize some of my config checking stuff to make that work nicer.

as for gameplay and vanilla stuff: my current approach is if you install the mod and change nothing in config, it's basically just a very light QOL mod. so, any gameplay changes need to be manually enabled in config anyways.

I definitely agree that's how clientside mode should work though, will look into that at some point

[lean pendant]

oh yeah I did notice that when I was adding in my tooltip fix this last update, probably an easy fix

[viral tide]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ViViKo/TwoHandedStorage/

like this

[crimson thunder]

Need it to also allow us to climb ladders while holding 2 handed items lol

Would be useful for LC Office when the Elevator drops to the 1st floor after pulling the Appy

[viral tide]

use betterladders

[crimson thunder]

That mod caused me issues and errors in the past

I'd rather not

[viral tide]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/e3s1/BetterLadders/

this one?

[crimson thunder]

Yep

[viral tide]

use the other one

[crimson thunder]

What other one? lol

[viral tide]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/MySteals/MyBetterLadders/

[crimson thunder]

🤔

[gloomy cove]

the name of the guy says it all

sus mod

[crimson thunder]

Yeah

lol

[viral tide]

also a tweak that would be nice is to allow for items like jetpacks/belt bags to not be carried in your inv

i know theres reserved item slots but with that the belt bag doesnt show up until you select it

like on u

so when you pick it up it just disappears

@lean pendant

for example

[fallow hornet]

??????? all of this dudes mods are stolen from other people

the sound replacements are whatever but the 2 actual mods that are stolen don't have permissive licenses

[viral tide]

i just realized that yeah

just example

s of what i mean

[gloomy cove]

i mean, the guy don't want to hide anything, it's in the name, a complete public criminal in a way lmao

[lament aurora]

You've made this possible

[shadow lily]

Peak

[shadow lily]

Would you be interested in fixing the equip animation playing twice when you scroll to a slot?

It makes organizing outside the cupboard painful

[north iris]

sometimes it also plays constantly with specific items

[shadow lily]

Inb4 someone says it, "isn't necessary"

[north iris]

no idea what causes that

[north iris]

if both of these are from the same issue

then it is necessary in the sense of the specific thing i mentioned

because it is really dumb looking and distracting

[shadow lily]

Mhm

[lean pendant]

yeah I've noticed that myself as well, no idea what causes it tho. anything with player animator is pretty rough

[shadow lily]

If it isn't too painful either, fixing baboon hawks constantly pogging after making a call would be nice too

I'd understand if you wouldn't want to do either in the end

[north iris]

i feel like theres a more important animation error with them

sometimes they dont exit their animation for sleeping when disturbed

and they just
move like that

[shadow lily]

That's much more uncommon than them pogging

It's every time they make a call, their mouths remain open afterwards

and it looks very weird and unintimidating

[lean pendant]

I can give them a shot if they arent too difficult, depends how the animators are set up

[shadow lily]

Oki

Thank you

Btw Science Bird

do you actually play the game often

I was wondering if you'd be interested in playing LC sometime

[lean pendant]

I havent played in a little bit due to some scheduling difficulties with my group, but usually pretty often. I'm honoured by the request but I generally prefer playing with people I know personally, and I think our modpack visions probably differ quite a bit lol.

[shadow lily]

Alr

[nimble pond]

i have wanted to figure out and solve this one for a while but never got around to it

i wasn't even 100% sure it wasn't caused by, say, additionalnetworking

[lean pendant]

I've experienced it in my bare bones testing setup a few times, so I don't think it's caused by that at least

[north iris]

its a vanilla game bug

[shadow lily]

Two requests for barbers:

• When they open a door while jumping, they burst it open
• Rookie barbers physically follow (Or rather stay in close proximity to) the Master; the Master's snare drum actually has some use to it since the Rookies will be in close proximity to it, for which you can hear and judge when a rookie is about to jump

The latter probably requires some rewriting of the Barber's code unfortunately

[lean pendant]

yeah I'm not sure about the viability of that one, changing door opening speed isn't usually that hard tho

[crimson thunder]

Btw I'm surprised the catwalk collision doesn't have a check in place for Wider + 2SS I forgot to disable it when redoing the config and saw the error spam in the logs and was like "Right I need to turn that off" XD

[lean pendant]

ah, yeah that's another old one that could probably use a second look

[crimson thunder]

Btw if using Auto Teleport Bodies I imagine GI's auto collection setting should be off since that patch will cover that

[lean pendant]

it shouldn't make a difference if it's on, but yeah auto teleport will do the same thing

[viral tide]

ts is not embrion

[lament aurora]

yeah?

[lean pendant]

it's embrion but better

(detritus my goat)

[north iris]

bro has never heard of modded moons

[shadow lily]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bird-bird-cat-pointer-finger-point-finger-cat-bird-point-finger-cat-gif-2676038606799380578

[viral tide]

the landing zone looks like embrion a bit

thats what i mean

[shadow lily]

Yes, because the moon is composed of amethyst

[viral tide]

@lean pendant noticed how u fixed cruiser smoke

could u do the same for redwood titans?

[lean pendant]

maybe, but you should probably try asking them to fix it in CodeRebirth itself

[sturdy lion]

How'd ya do it for cruiser smoke? Making it blend in with post processing

[lean pendant]

I just remade the particle using HDRP/Lit. this legacy shader it uses is trouble, and I think HDRP/Unlit or Particles/Standard Unlit have similar issues iirc

[sturdy lion]

Problem with HDRP/Lit when I tried is that my particles didn't inherit the colour over lifetime from the particle system or the base colour from the PS, also that it would turn white on thr angle you were looking at

[lean pendant]

I feel like I might've solved similar issues by just playing around with the surface settings, not sure if that would work in this case though

I havent worked with colour for this one so I cant speak to that aspect

[sturdy lion]

Hmm I'll give it a try, it's been a minute since I tried switching the shaders

[north iris]

@lean pendant the things youve set in motion

[lean pendant]

oh god

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-movie-scared-horrified-gif-3257036184702814746

[north iris]

i could also do this on demetrica but i already did something evil there

so i wont

[crimson thunder]

@lean pendant So since the 1.6.0 update there's been a bug that is sometimes causing the teleporter to teleport other players when teleporting bodies

[lean pendant]

that's strange, the code I run literally isn't capable of teleporting anything except bodies so that would mean the teleporter is getting triggered somehow. I'll see if I can recreate that later 👍

[crimson thunder]

Yeah I wonder if it's some conflict with the GI setting, I may just disable it later

[calm wedge]

Can bird implement general fix for word parse failures for the terminal by chance 😄

Lethal Internship no longer wants to load its terminal command, but this seems to be a relatively common issue with mods, so thought I'd ask. I have let Szumi know for this particular case, just waiting to hear back.

[north iris]

this is vanilla im pretty sure

unless this is something entirely different

ive seen it a few times before sciencebird tweaks ever existed

but its decently rare if its that bug and not something else youre referring to

[crimson thunder]

Oh interesting cus I never had it til now

my other guess was maybe it's cus of LethalElements Beta

[fallow hornet]

i don't think LE beta has anything that would do that

unless its something with solar flare

but i don't think that touches teleporter?

[north iris]

its possible it isnt pure vanilla and just a relatively unknown rare bug that happens from some mod

ive seen a few cases of that where a bug is so rare people dont know it is vanilla, like the inventory softlock bug

but it could just be from a mod and no one knows what causes it

i know it isnt sciencebird tweaks though

[nimble pond]

i can confirm this bug happened before SBT

it's possible some combination of mods makes it manifest more frequently but im sorta leaning towards it being a rare vanilla bug, at this point

for a while i thought it was general improvements but then i started experiencing it without GI

[crimson thunder]

Ah yeah prob vanilla then

[jagged sapphire]

so its not happening with just these 2. but happening when LLL is present and the LLL lever fix is enabled. I disabled the LLL lever fix on my part so it doesn't happen. thx for the fix btw !👌

[gloomy cove]

What is LLL lever fix ?

[fallow hornet]

its a part of sciencebird tweaks, removes the interactor for the ship lever while its routing to a moon

(idk if its just until the level id is updated or until everyone is finished loading the moon into ram)

[gloomy cove]

Oh i see

I wonder if "removing the interactor for the ship lever" also means canceling any attempt to use the lever during moon routing, cause if yes that's the issue with RandomMoonFX it uses the ship lever 2 times (including 1 automatic use) to randomize and to start the moon. In any case this was fixed so we are good

[lean pendant]

Yet another hotfix with new config options:

• Landmine disabled sound effect now defaults to a clicking sound (can be configured back to the original beeping sound or made entirely silent)
• Added another mod tweak for ShipWindowsBeta letting you choose what sound effect (not voice line) plays when the shutter is switched, or mute the switch sounds
• Fixed teleporter de-syncing or teleporting multiple players (yes this was my fault in the end due to some bizarre Harmony patch shenanigans)
• Fixed Tiny Teleporter hitbox not working on other clients
• Consistent Catwalk Collision will no longer throw errors when it can't replace a catwalk

[sturdy lion]

i love QoL

when are we getting the terraria QoL where i get $100000 day 1

[fallow hornet]

Ship windows tweak is so good

The stupid shotgun dropping sound gets tiring after a while

[viral tide]

i just cant teleport the body in general

hope it was fixed

[sturdy lion]

i also dont think science bird will be able to , since there's changes to the colour as it goes up into the sky and making it hdrp/lit affects the colour depending on if light is pointing at the fog, but ill give it a try just incase

i have already changed all particles in the project, meteor shower, redwood, etc, to use hdrp/lit but they looked terrible and took a bit to go back to how they were

[viral tide]

So its either look bad or look terrible? Lol

[sturdy lion]

yes

[north iris]

clearly the solution is to create a mod that replaces the smoke texture with a clear background PNG so you just see nothing

[trail patrol]

that's jsut rollover + weather tweaks + slot mods

[sturdy lion]

so like i said, QoL

[trail patrol]

that's exactly the qol you're asking for yes!!!

[kind matrix]

Don't forget default settings for BetterStamina and SellBodies

[sturdy lion]

why even pull apparatus if you can just go to aquatis and get 2k

[crimson thunder]

Yeah the default prices for Sell Bodies are so broken

[kind matrix]

Its insane

[crimson thunder]

Enhanced Monsters by default does a similar thing with the default prices idk why

[kind matrix]

I do think slots are fine if you make them paid upgrades though
Weather multipliers are also okay if you tone them down so their proportional to the amount of people that will die to the weather / bring less scrap back etc.

[glad panther]

I think the better approach is to make them tied to items rather than straight buffs. Like, instead of having extra slots be permanent upgrades, use BagConfig to let Belt Bag pick up scrap and balance that accordingly. Same for weathers, you can install the Beacons mod for Foggy, Lightning Rod mod for Stormy, etc. and make it so the weathers are easier but not better than clear.

I think this kind of approach fits the game more, none of the vanilla stuff just let you use it with no downsides. They also are easier to balance, like as someone who knows all the vanilla moon exteriors, I would be purposefully routing to Foggy moons for free extra scrap

[viral tide]

YES YES YES YES YES

"Made the disabled mine sound effect configurable between a click (new default value), a beep (original sound), or nothing"

I don't see this in my config?

[lean pendant]

should be here

[lean pendant]

I cant actually confirm 100% that this works yet since I havent gotten a test going with >4 people, but it should. let me know if it does lol

[viral tide]

what does this sound like

[north iris]

@lean pendant suggestion
an option to blacklist specific items from being a SID option

[sturdy lion]

SID option?

[north iris]

Single Item Day

[sturdy lion]

ah icic

[lean pendant]

might be easy, I'll have to remind myself what that code looks like later

[gloomy cove]

Why tho? It's a very cool event

[north iris]

it isnt for specific things

i dont mean two-handed scrap

i more so mean like roses from usualscrap

[gloomy cove]

But that's the whole part of the fun for this event
Imagine you get an all Uno Reverse Card day, you know you are cooked because you will use them all to troll

But I can understand your point

[lean pendant]

Some more quick tweaks out:

• Fix for stretched out/incorrectly scaled hand icons on modded moons/interiors
• Logic to check for items with null properties (i.e. bugged invisible items from moons which didn't register them correctly, like the shovel and boombox from Aquatis) and attempt to replace them with the intended items

[fallow hornet]

Damn

You are on fire recently

[lean pendant]

I keep trying to go back and work on my more major projects but then I think of another silly tweak I can add

[north iris]

can you add a fix for every single moon that has the dropship music playing as its landing

(i advocate this to be fixed by every moon maker, this is probably not possilbe)

[fallow hornet]

Atp tweaks is now a major project

And I think it deserves to be on the pedestal of must have mods

[north iris]

without a doubt this is one of the best tweak/QoL/bug fix mods

[fallow hornet]

I think what especially sets it apart is the mod tweaks

Since nobody else really does that

At least not to this scale

[lean pendant]

like the dropship music playing too early before it's landed? trying to remember if I've seen that before but I could look into it I guess

[fallow hornet]

I believe that's it

I think the reason for that happening is some gameobject or component that's disabled while landing in base game, but isn't disabled in modded levels?

Someone told me that a long time ago and I don't know if it's true

[lean pendant]

might be like the hand icon thing I just fixed where it's something messed up with the basic LLL setup, but subtle enough most people dont notice. I'll definitely check it out at least

[north iris]

that is why it happens yes

[fallow hornet]

I'm trying to think of anything that would be a good tweak but I'm blanking right now

I might figure something out tomorrow, and I'll mention it here

[fallow hornet]

Oh do you know about the siabudabu dropship lol

[north iris]

no

what about it

[fallow hornet]

That one has the triggers for item spawning still visible

It's really funny

4 red circles that follow the dropship

[north iris]

😭

[sturdy lion]

#dev-moons in pins, reason it happens is the rip copies animation data incorrectly

music gets started too early, about it

i dont know how easy it would be to really tweak this, since you're editing animation data (which i dont think is actually accessible at runtime so you'd have to brute force it) that's per moon and you're assuming that whatever the mooner is doing is wrong if its not like vanilla

[lean pendant]

swapping out the animator is probably doable, though it'd have to come with something like a blacklist or whitelist of moons

[north iris]

i see

[spiral flame]

Not sure which would be easier. Vanilla ones are obviously fine and I think most major moons are probably fine, especially since there’s the pin in the dev channel on fixing it. My guess is it would be easier to input which moons need fixing.

However, I really only have used Wesley’s, Rosie’s, and my moons so that’s not the greatest sample size.

[viral tide]

Who runs Vanilla Improvements? They should add it!

[lapis olive]

This may be wayy too much trouble to add @lean pendant, but would it be possible to have some way to balance the global death notification?
Like maybe pay a configurable amount of credits to press a button to activate it for that moon only. That way it can be bought as an extra/termporary safety net on harder moons without always being active.

I really love the idea of the feature, I just think having it always active fo' free might be a bit too strong.

• then the scenario where everyone is dead and you don't realize it yet wouldn't be able to ever happen with the setting enabled.

[vale wind]

Ngl, thinking about the OG office map -

I wonder what amount of scrap is good for that interior?-

Like 6 or 8 makes sense

[trail patrol]

what's mineshaft's?

I would say about the same as that

[vale wind]

it's 6 base game for mineshaft-

But I did tweak the size of Deamon's subsystem interior to be smaller, so I just added 4 extra scrap to spawn there

not sure it's exactly balanced or not

but considering how large it is and sometimes the interior being seperated by a huge body of water -

I might up it to 6 actually-

[lapis olive]

I didn't see whomsts it was, but I just wanna say whomstever came up with the idea for customizable useless buttons I love you

[dusky pumice]

@lean pendant I have a suggestion for the mod.

1. Add a way to make the apparatus true blackout work with the meltdown mod, this can be done by adding a percent chance that the meltdown happens when pulling the apparatus. If there is not a meltdown then the Apparatus True Blackout will happen.

[lean pendant]

I've definitely thought about turning the stuff in Ship Additions into purchasable upgrades, just havent bothered to set up the infrastructure for it yet. I'll keep that implementation in mind

[lean pendant]

It was me 😳, glad you've found good uses for it

[lean pendant]

(I think) it should be relatively compatible with meltdown from what I've heard (you need to check the "ignore animators" config for the red lights to appear though). I'll consider something like that if it ends up being easy enough to integrate with facility meltdown, not a high priority though

[lapis olive]

Well thank you! It's epic. My only thought for a potentially fun use for one of the currently useless buttons might be adding a configurable transmit command to that red button next to the blue light - only because one of the funny names for them I came up with was "Transmit Insult". Perhaps even randomly transmitting one of a few different configurable commands? (thus there could be different insults lmao) Assuming that functionality is even possible to begin with.

Regarding the ship additions being purchasable; at least speaking for myself, it wouldn't make much of a difference from the current implementation if it was a one-time purchase since (for me) it would still be too strong as a permanent upgrade for the run. My preference would be if anytime you pressed the hypothetical "activate death notifications" button you got charged credits and it only stayed active for the duration of that moon.

Not at all saying that it SHOULD be that way just because I'd like it that way, of course but just givin' me 2 cents. Tysm again for all the epic changes 🫡

[fallow hornet]

here's a weird suggestion, a fix for one mod's compatibility with another:
fix QualityCompany Fork's scrap value UI from breaking down if the utility belt from LethalThings is held?
currently the UI acts up and duplicates the value and total elements for each slot on utility belt, which doesn't update until the belt is dropped (this does not affect hotbarplus or reserved slots)

don't worry about it if this is too hard to implement

i just figured i'd ask since this is currently the only reason i don't use quality company

there's also a separate bug that causes icons to be doubled when doing the same thing, where you only scroll every second slot instead of each one, but i couldn't replicate it

[gloomy cove]

Another issue with this mid belt 💀

[north iris]

@lean pendant https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/996957342417559602/1373237427644141648/2025-05-17_04-32-16_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6829ae84&is=68285d04&hm=bcc813be7e28b120477cc5cf13dcf08cf75510e0559dd08e2486616b55bbcb46& i cant tell if this is your setting still functioning when off or not

[fallow hornet]

i'm considering removing it

cus if the GI lightning fix from enhancedtweaks doesn't work with it i might just bin it

[lean pendant]

I can make sure later, but it looks like it's emerging from the ground beneath the rock/between the rock and the ship. not totally sure how the player detection works when standing on map objects like that

[lean pendant]

it's a bit specific for me to do anything big for, but I might see if it's something easy

[fallow hornet]

alright yeah

the utility belt doesn't work with enhanced tweaks either

guess it's done for

[fallow hornet]

i guess i could rephrase, maybe instead of fixing that one niche issue, perhaps getting the utility belt to create its extra slots in a manner similar to how hotbarplus does it, to fix incompatibilities in general?

cus its gotta be something with how the utility belt is coded

but that's probably too big of an undertaking

(and honestly should be on lethalthings to fix it)

[gloomy cove]

In that cas you could wait for the remaster by Xu

[lean pendant]

yeah sounds like somebody needs to port utility belt using a more supported API. like I said I can look into anything with it that's surface level, but I'll leave the remaster to others

[fallow hornet]

is xu still working on it

last update was 4 months ago and that was just merging someone elses pr

theyre probably more concerned with coderebirth right now

[fallow hornet]

fair enough, at that point don't bother

[gloomy cove]

Yes

This will take time

[fallow hornet]

in the meantime i'll jus have to convince my friend to use beltbag instead

[sturdy lion]

Yeah not working on LT rn, also been working on a coderebirthlib so I can actually just not copy paste my code everytime I make a new mod

[lapis olive]

ye I can't even remember all the issues the utility belt caused in my game. desyncs, disappearing (it and items with it) - much less incompatibilities with other mods. 100% recommend the beltbag over it rn

[fallow hornet]

xumisctools2

[sturdy lion]

That was just JLL before JLL was a thing lol

[fallow hornet]

most of the time we just end up losing it anyway so not a big loss

maybe itll incentivise us to use the hotbarplus additional slots

[sturdy lion]

CRL will actually be the stuff I have in CR for registering enemies and items and whatever else is in the game with different assetbundles and automatically created configs

[lapis olive]

personally I used to think an extra slot was an OP buff but it really helped people be more able to bring tools. Then I thought adding the dedicated flashlight slot would be wayyy overboard since it means 5 (FIVE) item slots - but making mirage masked more convincing + flashlights less of a wasted slot + the weight system covering the balance anyways (for the most part)... it really wasn't too bad.

imo if you've got crazy modded creatures and other modded difficulty multipliers a lil QoL buff here and there isn't too bad

[fallow hornet]

true, i'm taking an approach to my modpack of, "everything is way harder than it usually is, but to compensate the players are buffed a lot"

it's not perfect right now because there are many cases where things get swung in the players' favor too much

but i'm getting there

quota is probably a good way to sum it up

every moon has more scrap spawns and the weather multipliers are pretty generous, so in exchange the quota ramps up crazy hard

[viral tide]

You should lowkey add a fix for objects that have this weird transparency effect when you are spectating

or whitespike's weird ass shaders lol

when you hold it up to blood and stuff

[sturdy lion]

i'd rather see that in a proper fix mod like #1245891961966170204 tbh, but also curious as to what causes it as i remember @gloomy cove having the same problem but idk if he ever fixed it

[viral tide]

specifically i see it for morecompany cosmetics and usualscrap items in spectate

[sturdy lion]

yeah i've seen it for those i agree

[viral tide]

lgu and other whitespike mods just have it when u hold it up to blood

[sturdy lion]

oh they'll also have it for those

spray paint too

[north iris]

it happens for enemy skins using ESK/ESR also

at least all the ones ive seen does

but its only really noticable on outside monsters

[sturdy lion]

i have a guess on what causes it then, and i might have a weird fix

[north iris]

before you check

just note it is not an issue for hoarding bugs, theyve actually always been slightly transparent

just a missable detail

[trail patrol]

Yeah this has been a thing forever

[sturdy lion]

it's probably not something i can fix personally but would have to be fixed by the person since the fix is similar to the AggresiveMaterialFix mod

[trail patrol]

any little decal just makes mc cosmetics see through

spray paint, landmine explosions, blood

that's usually where I encounter it the most

[trail patrol]

yeah..

[viral tide]

Should i use aggressivematerialfix?

[sturdy lion]

you shouldnt

it changes too much

[viral tide]

wow i didnt know it does it on this too

weird as hell

[sturdy lion]

i dont really see a fix for this being a thing since it's a shader issue, only the person who made the content can fix it by using nomnom's patcher

[viral tide]

what changed in 26 minutes

hero

damn

radar zoom is still stretched

[sturdy lion]

?

[viral tide]

you said you had a weird fix but then you said it would be impossible

[sturdy lion]

it's not impossible, there's already a mod for it, it's just super destructive and aggressive and isnt worth it

the person who made the thing has to fix it themselves

[viral tide]

well if you dont use modded moons you should be fine then right?

[sturdy lion]

maybe? you'd have to play with it and see

[viral tide]

whats this second head in my shadow caused by?

[nimble pond]

that is there in vanilla

it's the helmet model you can see at the edges of your screen

zeekerss didn't disable its renderer being allowed to cast shadows

i fixed it in butteryfixes but I disable that code if you have modelreplacementAPI installed, i think, because i didnt want to test if it broke anything

[viral tide]

can you implement a config to reenable it

[nimble pond]

yeah i think i'll just make it a config setting in the next version

so users can disable it if there's trouble

[viral tide]

cause all the issues that people have with modelreplacementapi arent issues for me

in fact it fixed the viewmodel on the camera being shown

[viral tide]

does it affect Atlas skyboxes?

[sturdy lion]

I wouldn't know

[viral tide]

k it doesnt sry

[gloomy cove]

for the decals ? I did not, i have the same materials values as vanilla but there is still graphical issues with explosion decals or spray paint

[sturdy lion]

and you use nomnom's patcher's hdrp settings?

[gloomy cove]

that i dont know

should be, but can't confirm

[lean pendant]

yeah I've noticed it doesn't work consistently for everything, will try to make it fix more things in a later update

[dusky pumice]

@lean pendant Also for some reason the zap gun on the heavy doors in the facility is not working

the zap gun wont lock onto them

[lean pendant]

I assume you've disabled the lethal doors options in config? looks like those broke it at some point, I'll get a quick fix for that out now 👍

[dusky pumice]

I have lethal doors enabled

[lean pendant]

then that sounds like a mod incompatibility of some sort. using any other mods which change the zap gun or map hazards like doors?

[dusky pumice]

I don’t think I’m using any that modify the zap gun or heavy doors in the facility.

I don’t have the code because I’m not on my pc right now but you can see all the mods if you install the modpack

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/lethal_coder/Lethal_Enhanced_Party_Edition/

[shadow lily]

Perceive

[dusky pumice]

?

[shadow lily]

That modpack is fucking huge

[dusky pumice]

Yeah

Optimized though, unlike some others

[shadow lily]

I doubt Science Bird would have any interest in sifting through it to find a mod incompatibility that could be anything

I wouldn't either