RebalancedMoons + Atlas

[tawdry peak]

I meant what I said though for the most part

But anyways, I'll have to try this one out

[sinful jungle]

to go into more detail here, lethal resonance typically just replaces sounds with higher quality samples that still kind of have the same direction as the vanilla game, i like that

but early on, a lot of the enemy sounds were.. really bad.. brackens sounded like banshees, dogs were really annoying sounding.. eventually i think a lot of the enemy sounds were updated using the original samples that zeekerss used, but spiders for some reason never got updated, when you hit them instead of making a crunch sound like in vanilla it makes some weird fantasy monster scream and its just kinda offputting lol

[crisp mango]

yeah, spiders was one of my first sound changes :,]

[sinful jungle]

hehe

I apologize for yapping I just really like resonance

[crisp mango]

no issues

I have to look for better samples

cuz it will be "kinda" hard making the sounds on my own lol

[obtuse mortar]

classic

[sinful jungle]

lolll

oh my god the apparatus bug

you know

[crisp mango]

@barren abyss

[sinful jungle]

theres still no mod that properly fixes that xD

[obtuse mortar]

mrov's mod fixes that afaik

[crisp mango]

apparatus fix made by mrov?

[obtuse mortar]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/ApparatusFix/

[sinful jungle]

the one mrov made is kind of bandaid fix

it still buzzes while you're carrying it

because he didnt fix the underlying issue

[obtuse mortar]

whats the underlying issue?

[sinful jungle]

he just made it so it stops playing sound when dropped in ship

idk yet

[obtuse mortar]

oh lol

[sinful jungle]

i havent looked into it

i imagine the rpc is just broken

bc it only happens on clients

It might be that the game just doesnt have a client rpc for stopping the apparatus sound when you pull it actually

because im pretty sure it happens consistently

[obtuse mortar]

I'd look into it but I cant rn, easiest way is just seeing what audiosource it is and looking at what the code is doing

[sinful jungle]

if i can manage to do it w/o a network handler then ill try to pr it into butteryfixes

iirc there is a lung pulled client rpc so it should be an ez fix

[sinful jungle]

actually

@cunning steeple can you open source apparatusfix

[cunning steeple]

is it not 😳

[sinful jungle]

nope!

[spice igloo]

mrov...

[sinful jungle]

i wanna make it like actually fix the issue tldr xd

you kind of fix it

i want to really fix it tho

[spice igloo]

can you open up your heart to me morv

[sinful jungle]

HES MINE

[spice igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-angrycat-orange-orangecat-gif-12955247756667881418

[cunning steeple]

no heart here

[spice igloo]

i just wanted to eat his heart

[glossy wren]

tried this mod with my crew today. nice

[cunning steeple]

bruh

lmao

wheres the code

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(GrabbableObject))]
  public class Patch
  {
    private static bool ShouldReturn(GrabbableObject item)
    {
      if (!item.isInShipRoom)
      {
        Plugin.logger.LogDebug($"{item.__getTypeName()} is not in ship room");
        return true;
      }

      if (item.__getTypeName() != "LungProp")
      {
        Plugin.logger.LogDebug($"{item.__getTypeName()} is not a predefined type");
        return true;
      }

      return false;
    }

    public static void Disable(GrabbableObject item)
    {
      if (ShouldReturn(item))
        return;

      if ("LungProp" == item.__getTypeName())
      {
        Plugin.logger.LogDebug("Disabling sound of LungProp");

        LungProp itemLung = (LungProp)item;
        itemLung.isLungDocked = false;
        itemLung.isLungDockedInElevator = false;
        itemLung.isLungPowered = false;
        itemLung.GetComponent<AudioSource>().Stop();
      }
    }

    [HarmonyPatch("DiscardItemClientRpc")]
    [HarmonyPostfix]
    public static void DiscardItemClientRpc(GrabbableObject __instance)
    {
      Plugin.logger.LogDebug($"DiscardItemClientRpc {__instance.itemProperties.itemName}");

      if (__instance.isInShipRoom)
      {
        Disable(__instance);
      }
    }

    [HarmonyPatch("DiscardItemOnClient")]
    [HarmonyPostfix]
    public static void DiscardItemOnClient(GrabbableObject __instance)
    {
      Plugin.logger.LogDebug($"DiscardItemOnClient {__instance.itemProperties.itemName}");

      if (__instance.isInShipRoom)
      {
        Disable(__instance);
      }
    }

here's the entire thing cause i can't be bothered to set it up now

[sinful jungle]

i wanted to make a pull request :-(

ok could i at least update the code and send it to you to update it lol

[cunning steeple]

i am uploading it rnrnrn

[cunning steeple]

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalApparatusFix

have fun 🤭

[sinful jungle]

yippee

[cunning steeple]

it's because i didn't get around to patching the apparatus on pull, only on the ship

which is my fault

but also soundapis

[crisp mango]

wat

[cunning steeple]

the apparatus sounds playing nonstop for all the clients

[crisp mango]

ah, yeah

[sinful jungle]

is it not a vanilla bug

[sinful jungle]

wtf are you doing!!!

this isnt lethalrichpresence

[cunning steeple]

lmaooooooooo

I cannot describe my hate towards lobbycompat

[sinful jungle]

you dont have to do that lmao

[cunning steeple]

that part will be deleted, don't worry

[sinful jungle]

its really not that complicated

you just passed a new string instead of plugin_guid for some reason

im honestly really thankful for lobbycompat; its super simple to set up on the dev side

and it does its job well

[sharp finch]

LungProp.EquipItem() checks if the apparatus is docked

and if it *is, it starts the DisconnectFromMachinery() coroutine

which stops the apparatus from emitting audio and plays the unplug sound/particles

and then the radiation warning

the apparatus should only continue to hum if the warning doesnt play on every client

i host all the games i play so i am speaking from the perspective of someone who is relatively unversed in clientside behavior

but i dont understand how this could be a vanilla bug

[sinful jungle]

same

[sharp finch]

all players see the radiation warning when the apparatus gets unplugged

regardless of who unplugs it

[sinful jungle]

i wonder wtf is h appening

apparently its sound api

but

idk how

[sharp finch]

i will mention

i can't seem to find where the action gets synchronized for all players

there is EquipItemServerRpc() and EquipItemClientRpc() but i cant find the code that's running it

the apparatus has syncGrabFunction == true in its itemProperties

but that only seems to cause GrabItem() to be called on all clients

which looks like an unused method because it's empty in the base class and nothing inherits from it

[sharp finch]

i must be missing something because this obviously means it's syncing

[sinful jungle]

soundapi might be patching and breaking it somehow idk

i haevnt looked into it

[sinful jungle]

@sharp finch do you know what method is called specifically on the host when the lung is pulled

or all clients actually

i dont wanna do a custom rpc

[sharp finch]

it is probably wherever this is happening

but i couldnt find it anywhere

[sinful jungle]

yeah its just not there

[sinful jungle]

please dont delete it

i fixed it 😭

ill include it in the pr

[sinful jungle]

i dont think either of these are ran when its pulled

maybe when dropping it and swapping to it

but this prints nothing

[sharp finch]

@sinful jungle i took another look

im pretty sure what happens is PlayerControllerB.GrabObjectClientRpc() calls PlayerControllerB.SwitchToItemSlot() with the apparatus' grabbable object passed as a parameter

which assigns it to the first empty inventory slot

and then calls EquipItem() on the item that just got assigned to a slot

[sinful jungle]

this is annoying

ok i think i got it

[sharp finch]

there is no rush (im not in a hurry to post to thunderstore) but wanted to check in and see if there were any updates

[crisp mango]

If he doesn't do it, I'll do it in one-two hours with a friend

[sinful jungle]

btw you were right

fwiw

grabobject gets called when pulled

so i was able to do this

[unique wyvern]

a bit after I said that my girlfriend came home so I was a bit occupied for the next few hours lol

but im hopping on rn

first im tryina repro it without the mod to see if I still get it on that profile

[sharp finch]

that's okay, like i said no rush

thanks for your help

[unique wyvern]

thanks for your help bud

ok this is not fucking replicating

😭

are you fucking kidding me

[sinful jungle]

monty L

[unique wyvern]

common

no but fr this is not relicating even without the mod

it's joever

maybe cuz im playing solo?

[sharp finch]

it should replicate more consistently in multiplayer yes

it's likely that netlag delaying network spawns is part of the cause

[sharp finch]

@unique wyvern are you seeing the log messages pop up

at all

when you have the mod enabled

[sinful jungle]

i do not

but i never had the bug

[sharp finch]

it is possible (albeit probably not extremely common) for a mod to cause the bug, but coincidentally choose the right fire exit

in which case the mod is unnecessary but would at least notify you the potential for the bug to have occurred that day

[obtuse mortar]

soundapi handles sounds a bit differently, i just woke up so i can give it a look now, what audio source/general part of apparatus should i be looking in?

[sinful jungle]

the LungProp should have an audio source component

it does not stop playing on all clients after the apparatus is pulled from the machine

only the host

thats why apparatus fix exists

[obtuse mortar]

yah but what's the audiosource field called, i assume it tries to stop it or smthn in code

[sinful jungle]

item.GetComponent<AudioSource>()

just do that

[obtuse mortar]

oh it literally just get components it, lol

every item has sounds, and they're required, he really shoulda made it a public field smh

ig my first thought is to check whether EquipItem is one of those functions sync'd with everyone, so im opening unity to check that, but it looks like it from what i can tell

huh, didn't realise the apparatus has two prefabs

[sinful jungle]

yeah idk whats up with that

[obtuse mortar]

he spawns the activated one through spawn synced object or whatever in the interior

through the prefab

and when the items are getting respawned in the ship after re-entering your lobby

it'll look at the item's scriptableobject

and spawn the one that's turned off

so it wont do stuff like, triggering warning or radiation when u grab it

only real difference is these two fields between the two apparatus'

but this is stupid, he shoulda just checked whether the item was in the ship's bounds and re-assigned em in code, though i cna understand since appy seems like one of the earliest items

[sharp finch]

i think that would be sort of hacky

not that his approach is necessarily the best way of doing it either

it'd probably make more sense for the base prefab to have the audiosource !playonawake and have powered/docked off

and then the factory prop would spawn an apparatus and call a function to "plug it in"

instead of having two prefabs pointing to the same itemproperties

spawned by different objects

[unique wyvern]

I will try now with the mod enabled

but I just have not had it repro'd

[obtuse mortar]

oh yeah he could just check whether playonawake is on or off since they're different for both lol

[unique wyvern]

I tried getting someone to test it w me but I couldn't find anyone LOL

[sharp finch]

idk if virus is around

but it sounded like he was replicating it consistently too

maybe the two of you could tag team

[unique wyvern]

perhaps

[sharp finch]

i could also just fuck it and post

it's probably fine

[unique wyvern]

idk what his timezone is honestly

[sharp finch]

really

[unique wyvern]

ye

[unique wyvern]

tbf I was tryina replicate it on my profile I got it a bunch on

he was replicating it on like, a specific profile he made FOR replicating the issue

I also had to do house work in the middle of it so 😭

[high haven]

this seems like a carryover from a really old version, wasn't there something about plugging the apparatus into the elevator before entrance mechanics were changed entirely?

[obtuse mortar]

maybe, but i dont see why this is would be a carryover

[crisp mango]

can I try with a friend?

can you send me the dll?

[sinful jungle]

the hell

i was dicking around with the apparatus in lan and when i went into orbit with it still being held by the client it turned into a ghost item

[unique wyvern]

it's in the channel somewhere

lemme send

more info here @crisp mango #1308174824505479290 message

[obtuse mortar]

did u drop it before it turned ghost?

[sinful jungle]

no

[crisp mango]

gotcha

[sinful jungle]

i was just holding it

and it disappeared after i pulled the lever in the players hands

[obtuse mortar]

lol, weird

no errors either?

[sinful jungle]

no lol

xd

[obtuse mortar]

i had this happen to me before with one of wesley's apparatuses but i had dropped it when we reached orbit and it just disappeared, never seen a bug like it, dunno if it's the same problem either

[sinful jungle]

there was another apparatus on the ship

i had one on the floor and one in my hands

and the one in my hands disappeared when another player went to orbit

lol

[unique wyvern]

nvm I was able to get someone

[obtuse mortar]

i didnt even know __getTypeName was a thing lol

early mrov code haunts me

[obtuse mortar]

honestly im not sure at all why this apparatus bug exists, looking at the code i cant see any reason for why it would exist, if it's a bug caused by soundapi then i also cant see why soundapi would cause it looking at the code since all zeekerss does is .Stop whereas maybe something like .Pause would've not worked

does zeekerss ever deactivate the grabbableobject gameobject?

cuz ig that would cause it but it would cause it on all clients not just non hosts

[sinful jungle]

idek, i just know it exists and i was able to reproduce it with soundapi 2.0 before

but today i wasnt able to reproduce it in lan

[obtuse mortar]

i know lcsoundtools is one of the mods that used to/does break it if you ever reproduced it with that

hence the famous lcsoundtools image

[sinful jungle]

this is all my pack ever had

and i remember getting it on this profile

[obtuse mortar]

weird, no idea then

[sinful jungle]

ye idk

desync bc lag maybe?

ive only seen it happen online

[obtuse mortar]

you'd see a LOT of problems, especially if you play modded if lag could prevent stuff from running on clients

[sinful jungle]

idk

just an idea

and i have seen a lot of problems with this game so

[sharp finch]

anybody?

[stuck oar]

i WAS, on my own running 2 clients, on my old pc..

i also lost all my old profiles, i could recover them, but ngl, i was done testing this weeks ago, my fix fixed it (and was tested), so, i didnt care to keep the profile that it was bugged on, but ill see if i managed to save it somewhere and try to test it when i have the time.

just checked, profile is gone from my backup from my old pc (might still be on my old pc but meh) 😄 ill have a test with the one i sent the code for previously in this channel, and see whats what, but wont be right now, work is busy as F right now 😄

[unique wyvern]

you sent em to me so I still have them im pretty sure

but yeah don't worry rn, I can probably see if I can get someone today to help repro it

I'll be a bit busy so no promises

[stuck oar]

the last one i sent you was in the first message of our conversation
"but.. ive now reached this point.."

i trimmed it down to the 3 mods i mentioned +dependencies, and failed to replicate, even though i explicitly said i only had those three mods installed later in our conversation, so the exact profiles i had, are lost, but that profile should generate it.

[unique wyvern]

been playing for a bit on some culprit moons and haven't gotten the warning message

[unique wyvern]

yeah I played for 2 hours and nothing

[sharp finch]

lol

well

that must mean without the mod you wouldnt be experiencing the bug either

so maybe someone found out what was going wrong and fixed it

idk

[unique wyvern]

nope, no updates from any of the mods that were thought to cause the issue happened

JLL updated 2 weeks ago, dungen plus a month ago and LLL also a month ago

nothing that heightened the chances of the error happening updated

so, just bad luck ig?

[stuck oar]

it may have all just been sheer luck, how frequent (and now nonfrequent) it occurs, would make more sense than 3 months of 3 mods updates making a problem happen more..

[crisp mango]

@sharp finch can confirm the fire exit fix works.
I've just tested it with a friend with a modpack with this mod and it synced correctly

[sinful jungle]

okay yes it loads

but did it do anything

[crisp mango]

there are the only logs that spawns

[crisp mango]

yeah, it did

[sinful jungle]

like

are there any other logs

than it loading

[crisp mango]

the fire exit doors got synced on our ends

[sinful jungle]

answer pls

if it did anything it would have logged it

[crisp mango]

no more logs than this on log's part

[sinful jungle]

thats frustrating

[crisp mango]

but it synced at least

[sinful jungle]

was hoping to figure out what it was in the end

but now nobody can seem to reproduce it lol

thats so funny

but yeah the mod would have logged and pointed blame towards another mod

Plugin.Logger.LogWarning($"Some previous mod has set the exitPoint of a fire exit's EntranceTeleport before SetExitIDs() was allowed to run. This is very dangerous and likely to cause problems");

[crisp mango]

it did not :[
I can give you the entire log of our match

[sharp finch]

that's okay

[sharp finch]

im pretty confident the mod works

i might just go ahead and publish it

when i forced the bug to happen

the mod fixed it as it should've

and it was never a 100% reproducible issue anyway

[crisp mango]

I mean, it works syncing the doors, but it did not log the issue

[sharp finch]

well, if it didn't log, it means you probably never had the doors desync

it should be logging any time the bug happens and it makes changes to fix it

[crisp mango]

I did 2 tests
1 w/o DoorsFix, it got desynced
2 w DoorsFix, it got synced

[sinful jungle]

omg

give me ur profile code pls

im pulling my hair out here

[crisp mango]

0195d001-ad03-d1f0-8d5c-0e41b38ccc45

16 mods, I did a test with a friend

[sinful jungle]

gonna bust my save file again

[crisp mango]

wait

[sinful jungle]

wish me luck

[crisp mango]

let me check my friend's log

[sharp finch]

if you were hosting your friend's log will help yes

the bug is more likely to happen for clients in multiplayer

[sharp finch]

just a word of warning

you might have a hard time replicating it even with a profile where it's recurrant

im pretty sure netlag is a component

if you're doing localhost testing there probably wont be enough of a ping difference to lead to problems

[crisp mango]

FOUND IT

[sharp finch]

i could be mistaken though

perfect

[sinful jungle]

lol.. i mentioned that earlier but xu told me i was wrong

[sharp finch]

if their log showed this

[sharp finch]

and you were able to use fire exits correctly on that day

[crisp mango]

here it is

[sharp finch]

then the mod works and i am ready to publish once i have some time

[obtuse mortar]

Yes, the apparatus code runs for everyone regardless of some netlag lol

You'd have a network frame of delay because of just rpc'ing to clients that they need to run EquipItem

Afaik anyway

[stuck oar]

hopefully once you have it published, people can write in the thread for the mod and share their profile codes when they see the warning, I personally already see a trend of JLL/DGP being something that makes it more frequent, but maybe other mods will also show up as "usual suspects" of increasing the frequency of the issue, and perhaps eventually that will lead to the cause 🙂

[unique wyvern]

that's how the story goes lmao

this shit been going on for months fr

[crisp mango]

at least I got the log :,]

[unique wyvern]

good job brother

[sinful jungle]

W moroxide

[unique wyvern]

i actually did not ask my friend for logs so he could've gotten the message LOL

[sharp finch]

#1354386585948520518 message

[dense hull]

@sinful jungle @clear cradle What is going on?

This only manifests for clients btw

[charred turret]

my logs

[dense hull]

0195d3a0-f325-3f8e-1305-3a6f71f8da72

[sinful jungle]

idk, not me

[clear cradle]

I'd like to say I have nothing to do with it too

[sinful jungle]

thats some fucked up shit

but ive gotten no reports of this ever and i definitely would have heard of this

[clear cradle]

Looking at the logs does it only happen when Offense A is spawned?

[sinful jungle]

Lot of debug logs relating to something called "LightsOut"

idk what that is though

[unique wyvern]

oh...

no don't use lights out

mrov has said not to use it

[sinful jungle]

well there you go

[unique wyvern]

it's broken as hell

[sinful jungle]

@dense hull

[clear cradle]

It does look like some lighting so that makes sense

[sinful jungle]

but like

idk

would lightsout really be capable of doing this

[unique wyvern]

no idea

[sinful jungle]

monty do you run my shit idr

[unique wyvern]

but I recall rovvert did not want to touch that mod LOL

[unique wyvern]

rebalanced goons? yes

[sinful jungle]

have u ever seen this weirdness

[unique wyvern]

no but I also haven't used rbm in a few days

I have not seen anything like this before LOL

[charred turret]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spongebob-its-a-rock-boulder-pioneers-gif-12602375269789460360

[sinful jungle]

the only thing i changed in the last few days was some audio spread issues

[charred turret]

idk why narp even assumed it was this

[sinful jungle]

i also tested on lan yesterday and it was fine for both clients

i was testing fire exit stuff

[unique wyvern]

this reminds me a tad bit of the old shipwindows persistent space skybox issue

but idk

[sinful jungle]

ill double check offense on lan rq

[unique wyvern]

looked like this

which is kinda what the 4th screenshot looks like

[dense hull]

I

[unique wyvern]

maybe it's a atlas thing?

[dense hull]

don't use LightsOut

What

[sinful jungle]

idk

it was there

[unique wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-me-fight-sklet-skeleton-gif-12424596002707679541

[unique wyvern]

mrov installed the lights out virus on your computer you're cooked bro

[sinful jungle]

anyways

im double checking rn

but im like 99.99% sure this isnt me

[dense hull]

Apparently Purple had LightsOut installed on his end

[unique wyvern]

yeah i was gonna say, since it only happens on clients it was prolly purple that had it

[sinful jungle]

sig ma

i entered fire exit and instantly died do a spike trap before i could move

[dense hull]

You're running a client-side instance too right

[sinful jungle]

yes i have two clients open

the dancing scavenger there is the host

[dense hull]

It happened toward nightfall I think

[sinful jungle]

oh oke

[dense hull]

Wait no

Yeah it happened in the morning too according to Purple

Shrug

[sinful jungle]

this is sooo trippy tho like esp the first one

im gonna try seeing if its rlly lightsout or something

[charred turret]

lightsout has not been updated

i believe it might be a conflict with atlas

i didnt think about atlas being a conflict

[sinful jungle]

idk

i cant reproduce it even with lightsout xd

on 2 clients

[dense hull]

Weird

Same modpack?

[sinful jungle]

nope i just tested with the 3 mods

[dense hull]

Ic

[glossy wren]

how to enter the fire exit on Offence?

[sinful jungle]

im so glad u asked

one second

old video but same layout

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265153019792855050/1309520775069438012/reoffense.mp4?ex=67e55bc2&is=67e40a42&hm=bee3a386e9d27424f00dc2633b1ecfd1668a6f809a02a2070b662c0e07739ed2&

it is quite the journey

[glossy wren]

Oh thanks i see

Now its hard but possible

[sharp finch]

the cuboid artifacting makes me think it's a hardware issue

especially if it's only replicating for one person and the same set of mods doesnt replicate on other computers

but shrug

[tawdry peak]

Thats why you always bring a ladder

[sinful jungle]

yup

u get it

i just figured like. the offense fire exit is already accessible through movement tech or whatever if you know what you're doing

so i might as well make it equally accessible to people who arent weird

and by equally i mean you waste like an hour getting there

[dense hull]

I'M NOT WEIRD!

I'm lying but still

[tawdry peak]

We are all weird around here

[sinful jungle]

hehe

[tawdry peak]

So i know this isn't the best place, but have you or anyone ever considered adding rooms for vanilla interiors

[sinful jungle]

yeah

[tawdry peak]

I feel like that's ripe for content

[sinful jungle]

i wanna make a mod that updates the vanilla interiors

kinda like how this mod updates the vanilla moons

my primary motive is dungenplus

[tawdry peak]

That would be dopa

[sinful jungle]

it has a lot of good features

[tawdry peak]

Dope-a

[dense hull]

Bedroom in the Manor will become real

Maybe

[sinful jungle]

oh that sounds fun

[tawdry peak]

Actually yeah that would be neat

[dense hull]

Wonder if the Manor wasn't actually used for habitation

[high haven]

would updates to vanilla interiors require rebuilding them as a separate interior in LLL

[tawdry peak]

Just something to break up thr monotony a bit

[sinful jungle]

prolly wouldn't "require" it but thats how i would approach it yes

the same way im doing this

just repackaging the vanilla interiors with qol fixes and new rooms

[high haven]

qol fixes hmmmm

[sinful jungle]

yknow

scrap can spawn in the boilers

etc

[tawdry peak]

Well if you ever do make one I'll be keeping an eye out

[high haven]

well if you plan on touching mineshafts, redoing colliders in the caves would be nice

[tawdry peak]

Dunno what one could do with mineshaft

[sinful jungle]

yes i might do similar things to what rebalanced mineshaft does

because i like that mod generally and i think terra is retiring soon

[high haven]

at least so you don't get stuck in the underwater sections

[tawdry peak]

Wait is there a mineshaft mod?

[sinful jungle]

yes

better mineshaft

[tawdry peak]

Oh god I hate underwater

[sinful jungle]

or something

no

[tawdry peak]

Ah

[sinful jungle]

rebalanced mineshaft

its good

and it still works

[tawdry peak]

It work well with butterybalance

[sinful jungle]

i dont know unfortunately

[tawdry peak]

I know i shill for that mod but my god it's perfect

[sinful jungle]

i havent played since that was made

but it should

[tawdry peak]

Fair

Its modular anyway

[sinful jungle]

basically it makes the size of the interior more equal to the other two

and makes scrap spawn more outside caves

which is exactly what i would do

[tawdry peak]

Oh yeah

[sinful jungle]

one thing i would to to mansion is split it up into 4 smaller main paths

instead of just having a bunch of dead end rooms

that shit is so annoying and unfun

and i can just Do that thanks to dg+

[tawdry peak]

Yeah, that's always annoying

Although can't deny its nice to have one path to go to sometimes lol

[obtuse mortar]

It's lights

I forget exactly what it is about wm

Em*

But when u do something really weird with light settings

It causes this artifacting

I think very rarely I've seen mineshaft produce it but only when looking at a certain direction in a specific way that you won't notice it anyway

[wild elbow]

are there any mods that do dis?

for vanilla mansion i mean, i know the touhou mansion did way back when

[unique wyvern]

wish dgp had that feature already

just like, disabled by default or smth

[sinful jungle]

?

it does lol

have u read their docs

[unique wyvern]

well yeah duh, the previews show that it can do that

moreso mean that it doesn't do it

out of the box anyway

[sinful jungle]

wym out of the box

its an api

[unique wyvern]

exactly

five. steps. ahead.

[sinful jungle]

ur supposed to configure it urself i dont understand
u could just tie this value to a config value on awake i think no?

[unique wyvern]

no but I mean like I wish DGP had that feature already for vanilla interiors

[sinful jungle]

ohhh

like

[unique wyvern]

which it doesn't

[sinful jungle]

yea i see what u mean

[unique wyvern]

yeye

[sinful jungle]

but it is an api so it would be strange for it to just do stuff on its own i think

disabled by default tho

thats fair

ig that would be nice

[obtuse mortar]

meanwhile the old (and kind of still now) weather registry:

[unique wyvern]

ye it wouldn't make too much sense but it'd be cool

[obtuse mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/pussy-cat-cute-kitty-kitten-cat-gif-16800925

[unique wyvern]

and we love it for it 🔥

[obtuse mortar]

nein

[sinful jungle]

but yea this is peak

[high haven]

kinda wonder why they didnt release this modifier for the vanilla interiors if they used it in the preview

[sinful jungle]

oh yea no idea

could have been an add-on

ig lack of interest to set it up properly, i think this is just an editor preview

they didnt actually set it up ingame

[dense hull]

Am I tripping or did you make the grass on Adamance look nicer

Also, still no BigMachine ambience

[tawdry peak]

Oh that's quite nice

Is that the one where you said the modder was retiring

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Alice/DungeonGenerationPlus/ is this the mod? Seems like it might require actual implementation with another mod

[sinful jungle]

yes that is what an api is

xd

[sinful jungle]

wtf!?

[sinful jungle]

i gave every "lush" moon unique grass textures (except march) and they're all 512x512 like the vanilla one

[tawdry peak]

I'm not good with computer

[sinful jungle]

no worries!

hehe

but yea basically

if i make said mod it would depend on this

similar to LLL

[sinful jungle]

weird cuz its there

ill look into it tho

[clear cradle]

Maybe the volume/mixing is too low, or the occlude audio is dampening it to the point you can't hear it

[sinful jungle]

yea maymbe

[sinful jungle]

no, something is causing all ambience to not play on adamance

idk why

i need to look into it

[spice igloo]

sorry i ate the ambiance

[clear cradle]

Can't spell ambience without adamance

[sharp finch]

mixer issue? audiolisteners?

that's sort of bizarre

[sinful jungle]

idfk

i have forest ambience, high and low, and big machine

and none of that is playing

for some reason

eugh

[sharp finch]

Preload Audio Data?

on the audio clip?

i assume so since you just ripped it

but

[sinful jungle]

yeah

[sharp finch]

weird

i know a couple times i've forgotten to tick that box

and gotten silence

[sinful jungle]

i just checked and i think they imported ticked

alreaedy

idk this looks fine, right?]

wtf is going on

???

i unticked "enabled" and reticked it and it fixed it

in unity explorer

im so confused

[sharp finch]

never heard of that happening before

so no idea

sorry

[obtuse mortar]

The audioclip will error when being played if you need to tick that box and u haven't ticked it (this is in the scenario it doesn't play)

[sinful jungle]

wait ive never seen this before

[obtuse mortar]

It's weird, cuz afaik the game doesn't have fmod in it, but coderebirth forces me to tick that box for all coderebirth sounds otherwise fmod is unhappy

[obtuse mortar]

You can ignore thra

That*

[sinful jungle]

oh

ok

[obtuse mortar]

Unity explorer things

[sinful jungle]

well im stumped. thats so weird

something is causing it to be "disabled" even though unity explorer says its enabled

and reticking it makes it function again

[clear cradle]

Is it one of the reverb triggers mayhaps?

[obtuse mortar]

I'd take a look at audioreverbtriggers again but I'm about to head to sleep

[sinful jungle]

...oh

it was loaforcs :/

not even something i did wrong

[sinful jungle]

this isnt me

loaforcs 2.0 is either broken or lethal resonance is broken

its causing all audio sources to disable on awake

@crisp mango idk who to tell

[obtuse mortar]

Probably loaforc

@cobalt ravine

[crisp mango]

wat

[sinful jungle]

loaforcs or something is causing all audiosources to disable on round start

[high haven]

I did notice soundapi doesn't like forest, blizzard, and big machine room ambience specifically

[sinful jungle]

at least the ambience ones

[crisp mango]

sadly that should be a LoaforcSoundAPI issue :,]

we (LR Team) can't do much for it

[sinful jungle]

ye wasnt sure if it was them or

i see though

unfortunate

for the record it plays correctly if i force it to re-enable itself

so thats odd

the audio isnt failing to load or something

[crisp mango]

Has the sound been tested with and without our mod?

[sinful jungle]

can rn

but its working when i disable loaforcs

and by extension resonance

[crisp mango]

I see

[sinful jungle]

was scrambling in editor thinking i did something wrong

lol

[cobalt ravine]

ill need an actual proper log to do anything lol

[sinful jungle]

sorry but there was nothing of interest :[

i can provide one anyways, if you'd like

id have to relaunch my game

[sinful jungle]

at least no errors

give me one second, ill get a log for you

[cobalt ravine]

like no with all of my debugging stuff (without update every frame) active

[sinful jungle]

ohh

i see

well

let me test on vanilla adamance

and see if it persists

[cobalt ravine]

is there anything you specifically do in code with the play on awake sources

[sinful jungle]

no

nothing in code

i just have reverb triggers set to play on awake

and i do not touch bigmachine

i just moved it

[cobalt ravine]

wdym by move?

[sinful jungle]

like

i moved the object, so it sounds less quiet

i did on every moon

[cobalt ravine]

ahh no I think I've found the problem maybe

[sinful jungle]

?

[cobalt ravine]

I forgot a .Play in my scene stuff

can you test https://github.com/loaforcsSoundAPI/loaforcsSoundAPI/releases/tag/2.0.6beta1 when the GitHub action is done

[sinful jungle]

yes

[cobalt ravine]

I must be missing something because there's no way someone hasn't reported this before

[sinful jungle]

fixed

also, you'd be surprised

[sharp finch]

overcast weather completely breaks the night time lighting on the skybox

vanilla bug that nobody has reported except for leafar

small details can slip by

[sinful jungle]

yeah

one time i shipped adamance with no navmesh and nobody told me until like 3 days later

[dense hull]

😭

[cobalt ravine]

I'll wait a bit and make sure it doesn't actually break anything else before properly publishing it

[sinful jungle]

wait

uh

@cobalt ravine yea dont publish this sdlfjksdlfjk

i just found something

[cobalt ravine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1235887001081876514/1336642923634229258/imallears.gif

[sinful jungle]

ada manace

[cobalt ravine]

I don't think that's sound api? at least what I changed in that commit shouldn't be causing that

[sinful jungle]

umm wut

let me double check w/o it

im pretty sure that doesnt happen

dog its not happenin without it!!

im telling you

[cobalt ravine]

does it happen with the previous version?

[sinful jungle]

um idk ambience doesnt work

[solemn gull]

I remember that someone reported something similar when using LR around 2 months ago

[high haven]

this happens on current stable

i can easily replicate it on experimentation

actually i think i have a video

[sinful jungle]

okay so maybe it wasnt this commit

but its still sound api

[high haven]

its definitely just some fuckery with reverb triggers and soundapi

where it happens in my video is where experimentations reverb triggers are

[cunning steeple]

lights out is client-side

but it shouldn't fuck with non-grabbables

sooooo

whatever the fuck happened it shouldn't be me 😭

[high haven]

Person who got the error wasn't using it anyways so not u I think

[cunning steeple]

phew

it needs fixing, that's true

but nothing should break horrendously

[azure ferry]

Garfield must have been touching the fabric of reality once again

https://tenor.com/view/be-careful-around-the-faberic-of-reality-garfield-gif-21886462

[azure ferry]

This shit happens pretty often on my catalyst lol

[azure ferry]

Ngl this should be the default but I honestly like the idea of force extension ladder use in offence
It makes players learn the usable aspect of this item

[cinder jackal]

letal ompany

[azure ferry]

Ompa loompa

[cinder jackal]

no...

[unique wyvern]

gogus

[dense hull]

Did you add an indoor ambient to Experimentation?

[sinful jungle]

wym

[dense hull]

Maybe it’s just Chameleon’s stormy ambience Idk

but I think I hear a cool whirring inside of Experimentation’s interior

[sinful jungle]

chameleon iirc

ya

not me

im pretty sure chameleon adds indoor ambience for stormy and flooded

[high haven]

it also adds the wind sound for snowy moons i think

[sinful jungle]

uhh

well

if ur talking abt the outside thats probably me

[high haven]

no

inside

[sinful jungle]

oh then ya no

[dense hull]

Yeah the main entrance ambient (Not BigMachine) leaks into the interior

[sinful jungle]

its intentional ya

[dense hull]

Not sure if it's just a MapImprovements incompatibility, but you should keep it

OH

Awesome

[sinful jungle]

its chameleon

[dense hull]

Love it

Wait, Chameleon does that?

[sinful jungle]

yh

[dense hull]

Huh

Neat

[sinful jungle]

im pretty sure anyways @sharp finch can correct me if im wrong

i just recall us talking about this before

but either way its def not something me or spooky did

[dense hull]

Is this a RM thing?

Main is a lot darker than normal

[sinful jungle]

yea

is it too dark

i kinda just wanted it to look moody

[obtuse mortar]

that looks a bit too dark imo yeah

[dense hull]

It'd be nice if it was optional, because to me personally, it doesn't blend in the naturally bright biosphere Experimentation has

[sinful jungle]

ok

[dense hull]

Either that or increase the brightness a bit

[sinful jungle]

i mean i can just make it brighter

making it an option would be annoying

and clutter

[dense hull]

Yeah fair

[sharp finch]

?

[sinful jungle]

doesnt chameleon do interior ambience stuff

based on moon

?

[dense hull]

For weather only

[sharp finch]

blizzard and rain effects

[sinful jungle]

oh

[sharp finch]

nothing else

[sinful jungle]

well idk wtf is doing that then

it isnt me

sounds cool tho

[dense hull]

Anomaly..,

[unique wyvern]

nah I like it that way

feels more abandoned imo :3

[sinful jungle]

that was the idea

[unique wyvern]

yee

dopa when will you make your own moons... I feel like you'd cook hard

or maybe you're like me and work better when building on top of a pre-existing thing

It'd be exciting to see you come out with a few moongs of your own in any case

[half lion]

I'd be there for Dopa Moons 🙌 🙌

[crisp mango]

I'd be there for Dopa Moons 🙌 🙌

[clear cradle]

I'd be there for Dopa Moons 🙌 🙌

[high haven]

I'd be there for Dopa Moons 🙌 🙌

[dense hull]

I'd be there

[sinful jungle]

well

ive had one in the works for a bit

just one

im being a bit hush hush about it for now

[zenith dust]

I'm excited to see it

[sinful jungle]

ideally it should support mapimprovements too

id like to do that

[unique wyvern]

omg liquidation

[sinful jungle]

more marshy

i actually did consider making a fanmade liquidation but that would be stupid bc that moon still might come to official lethal company lol

idk if its cancelled or not

i feel kinda awkward asking zeek cuz we weren't rlly supposed to know about liquidation to begin with iirc (?)

it was included in an update on accident

[sinful jungle]

it was going to use a similar system im using to replace the vanilla moon scenes here

and i was gonna patch the vanilla moon to just not be locked and then replace its scene

but yea i realized that might just not be the best idea so

i settled with a more original one

[high haven]

well given that zeekers is apparently working on v70, liquidation might become real sooner than later

[sinful jungle]

i highly doubt v70 is liquidation

but yes he is working on v70

[crisp mango]

It is currently working?

[sinful jungle]

?

[crisp mango]

Sorry, I didn't explain myself well.
Has Zeekers confirmed that he's been working on the v70 recently?

[sinful jungle]

yeah

[crisp mango]

Or is he still on hiatus developing his other game?

[sinful jungle]

he is actively working on the lethal company

[crisp mango]

oh, that's good

[forest spruce]

Was this said in his discord or?

[high haven]

i think it was said on his patreon

[obtuse mortar]

im spoiling the patreon

[high haven]

he spent a week or so playing R.E.P.O and got inspired

[sinful jungle]

he played it for the better half of a month

lol

[forest spruce]

Oh that's why I couldn't see it, it's in the paid post

[high haven]

all i heard was at least a week

[sharp finch]

liquidation in v50 final

liquidation in v55

liquidation in v60

liquidation v65

[warped gyro]

I'm actually kind of surprised there hasn't been a fanmade interpretation of Liquidation yet.

[clear cradle]

Woah, first custom moon (besides mine) to have map improvements! Let me know if you need help with anything if/when you get around to it :)

[high haven]

so uh remember when we were talking abt reverb triggers causing weird buzzing when soundapi is active?

[sinful jungle]

yeah

[high haven]

i tried out this config in jacob's reverb trigger fix

and it stopped it for the most part

it plays 1 little crackle and thats it

granted i did a very limited test

so idk if it causes problems in the long run

[sinful jungle]

i guess that's nice

but the issue should hopefully still be looked at

[high haven]

ofc

[sinful jungle]

i did make a report on the github but ive yet to properly

write the info for it

[high haven]

but if this doesnt cause any issues then its a good bandaid fix until bongo figures out why it does that

actually i gotta check if it fixes the weirdness with triggers on Affliction

[sharp finch]

i think it's getting reset every frame and that's why it buzzes

[sinful jungle]

yeah

[sharp finch]

if you call .play() while something is already playing that will happen

[sinful jungle]

so making it not run every frame will just circumvent it

[sharp finch]

triggeronenter just prevents that from happening every frame and instead causes it to happen once

[sinful jungle]

kind of

[sharp finch]

but the popping is just because it's not designed to skip back at that point

it's designed for a seamless loop

[high haven]

i c

also i'm trying something out rn, is the fixed artifice volume from chameleon supposed to look like this?

[sinful jungle]

no

my artifice scene uses a custom volume that buttery doesnt touch

its basically the normal daytime volume but with a darkened sky

[high haven]

huh

what is the chameleon one supposed to look like

[sinful jungle]

bright

[sharp finch]

thunderstore has screenshots

[sinful jungle]

it frankly looks bad on my scene cuz it makes the spotlight volumetrics just not rlly visible

[high haven]

i guess it doesnt look as good with rebalanced

[sinful jungle]

im making titan have more powdery snow because i feel like it

heres a more direct comparison of the textures

also im moving this fire exit back

[mental breach]

Due to the lighting change there I can't tell which is vanilla and which isn't

XD

[sinful jungle]

ah

sorry yeah editor lighting is weird

[sinful jungle]

the right is dine (vanilla snow)

left is similar just more noisy

[mental breach]

Ah so you're trying to make Titan's snow more like Dine's 🤔

Cool

[sinful jungle]

well no the thing is they're the same already

im trying to make it more distinct

[mental breach]

Ahhhh

[sinful jungle]

so i gave it a unique texture

ye

it looks really cool in game (unless you're using sponge's shader unfortunately)

[mental breach]

Lmao what I feel like is gonna suck is if Zeekerss redoes Dine again when V70 comes out

[mental breach]

The Sponge shader really improves some moons and others it doesn't, it's great for moons like Wesley's since it makes them look like they've been terra-meshed for example

[sinful jungle]

it looks really good in interiors

it makes lighting pop out more

[mental breach]

Ye

[sinful jungle]

overall its good i think the outline umm threshold

just needs to be adjusted

ye

cuz it applies harsh outlines to noisy textures

#1345089401100701778 message

[high haven]

i guess if this is the case i should also ask

does rebalanced titan have a custom volume that chameleon doesnt touch

[sinful jungle]

it doesnt have a custom one (its just the snowy one) but im pretty sure chameleon just doesn't do volume changes to custom scenes

it checks for scene name not level name

so

[high haven]

so i should turn that off too

[sinful jungle]

i mean if you want

it doesnt really matter

it just doesnt do anything

[high haven]

does this looks like how it is normally in yours?

[sinful jungle]

thats how it looks normally yeah

unless you have like atlas

[high haven]

alr

im basically trying anything to get titan running better

i already limited how big the dungeons can generate

[cunning steeple]

god i hate that fog 😭

[high haven]

so im looking for other hooks into it that dont need to be there

[high haven]

yea idk why it do that

[sinful jungle]

it looks like this for me

[high haven]

i have sponge's volumetric compensation on so it shouldnt be that

oh is it the fog config in rebalanced

[sinful jungle]

probably

idk

i mean

[sinful jungle]

this is just what titan's fog looks like

in vanilla

[sinful jungle]

but yeah i think the fog setting i added makes it look like this instead

[high haven]

well i got it to run at 48fps average

[sinful jungle]

damn

[high haven]

if i turn that on and it drops a ton then i dont think i can keep it

[sinful jungle]

integrated graphics ?

[high haven]

no i have a 4070 super

[sinful jungle]

wtf lol

[high haven]

the game just doesnt use it

[sinful jungle]

ok so cpu bottleneck then ig?

[high haven]

i7 12700kf

[sinful jungle]

idk why you'd be getting 40fps

thats rlly strange

i get like 200 on average

[high haven]

i mean

big modpack

[sinful jungle]

o

yea fair

[high haven]

im sure by itself it runs like a dream

a normal empty lobby with this pack runs around 110fps average on a well optimized moon

but 1 person joins mp and i instantly lose 40 frames

[sinful jungle]

letal ompany

[high haven]

i just wish this game used my systems resources properly

if it did there would be no performance problems whatsoever

oh yeah it crashes every time i quit

cus soundapi still does that

ok so

rebalanced fog boost did make it look better

[sinful jungle]

i wouldnt use it tho if ur having performance issues

[high haven]

on the other hand,

there has to be something im doing wrong

how does my profile run so badly

[sinful jungle]

how many mods do you run anyways

i never got this low with a 9900k/2080ti on a 160 count pack

[high haven]

right now it's 227 but i think some are disabled

[sinful jungle]

hm

[obtuse mortar]

23 fps on specs that high is criminal

Even if you were at like 300 modd

[sinful jungle]

yeah idk it's weird

[high haven]

i legitimately dont know whats happening

[sinful jungle]

never seen that

some mod maybe?

[high haven]

its definitely something

cus i tried someone elses 220+ pack and ran high fps on most moons

[sinful jungle]

i remember show tzp/spraycan capacity by piggy used to make me actively lose like 20fps

before it got fixed

[high haven]

i should also just verify integrity for good measure

[obtuse mortar]

If I look at your profile and see you eating the fps eater 9000...

Eating?

Wow I'm tired

[sinful jungle]

what is it

oh

you said if

[high haven]

i shouldnt be running anything particularly bad for performance considering how often i see the bad performers in here

[sinful jungle]

can't be it

[high haven]

i mean if u wanna look at it the code is 0195dbfe-ae3f-1725-f5d5-8fcc86506184, only if u want to

(and verify didn't really do anything, just wanted to make sure it was ok because i tried running profiler before and it didnt work)

[cunning steeple]

so bad 😭

god I hate foggy weather

[dense hull]

I don't like this reversion personally
What made the new fire exit so fun was its distance in relation to the ship, down a slope, slightly covered by a hill for hiding from forest keepers, and the fact it's not on the West side of March like every other fire exit is. March now feels one-sided/less spread out again with its new fire exit back in its vanilla location, in an agonizingly deep ditch

[unique wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/675898391577886721/1351801154064879616/wtf.gif

[sinful jungle]

i didn't know literally anyone liked this feature

ill have to think abt it more i guess

[sharp finch]

for what it's worth i like that fire exit better where it is in vanilla

[snow kite]

You can just make it a config

I think this mod would benefit a lot from more configs if I do say so

[sinful jungle]

im not rlly interested

in changing march

too much rn

[obtuse mortar]

Just make it a config smh

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-angrycat-orange-orangecat-gif-12955247756667881418

[sinful jungle]

bro

ill make u a config

[obtuse mortar]

You know how many times I asked people for feedback to improve something

And the answer I got

Was to just leave it on a config

It's insane

[sinful jungle]

the config for this mod is already kinda messy im

[obtuse mortar]

There's a reason I made an editor tool to automatically generate configs for me

Yeah I had 2000 lines of config at some point

[sinful jungle]

gonna have to make more categories at some point ig

[obtuse mortar]

[high haven]

did u change anything abt titan other than the new snow texture

i just loaded it today and got 110 fps average wtf

[sinful jungle]

did you restart your pc per chance

lol

idk

[high haven]

put it to sleep overnight?

idk sometimes game does this to me

random chance to run good

[sinful jungle]

for me unity is weird and sometimes i have to restart my pc for higher fps so i was just assuming

but

uhhh

no i did nothing

[high haven]

thats so weird

also cus like

literally 2 minutes apart i loaded artifice

first time was 110+ second was ~50

[sinful jungle]

maybe you can beg matty to profile your modpack

i would help but i have no idea how he does it

i still feel like you have some bad mods or something

[high haven]

maybe but i dont wanna bother someone for modpack profiling when they have better things to be doing

[sinful jungle]

ig

sucks though cuz im kinda invested in this

maybe i could bother him myself. and ask what he does

[sharp finch]

profiling is pretty easy

[sinful jungle]

i would love to know more if you dont mind

[sharp finch]

diffoz has a thread in #1175883003474485369 that explains how to set it up

[high haven]

i would profile myself if it didnt stop itself when i use it

[sinful jungle]

ahh okay

[sharp finch]

you basically just need to pull some unity debug DLLs (if you have the right version installed they are somewhere on your computer)

[high haven]

i followed all the steps but profiler doesnt wanna run cus it runs out of memory

[sinful jungle]

i have 64gb of ram so im kind of confident i can profile with 4 clients

[sharp finch]

then you move them into your game directory (or make a separate directory, which i think makes more sense if you are actively playing the game)

then you can launch the game and hook into it with unity editor

i've only done it a couple of times (mainly while i was profiling the new masked AI) and it's been a while so i forget the exact steps

but it is really very simple

shouldn't take more than 15-30 minutes to figure out

[high haven]

i think theres also launch parameters you have to set in steam