RebalancedMoons + Atlas

[sharp finch]

private void SetExitIDs(Vector3 mainEntrancePosition)
{
    int num = 1;
    EntranceTeleport[] array = (from x in Object.FindObjectsOfType<EntranceTeleport>()
        orderby (x.transform.position - mainEntrancePosition).sqrMagnitude
        select x).ToArray<EntranceTeleport>();
    for (int i = 0; i < array.Length; i++)
    {
        if (array[i].entranceId == 1 && !array[i].isEntranceToBuilding)
        {
            array[i].entranceId = num;
            num++;
        }
    }
}

this is the function that is assigning IDs

[stuck oar]

they get assigned before that point.

the bug is something is assigning them before then

[sharp finch]

a mod doing that would be bad yes

[stuck oar]

my code runs before that.. and something was running before my mod.

[sharp finch]

prob just need to do a source check (thunderstore has decomps readily available for smaller mods) on all the mods in a profile where the bug is replicating

[stuck oar]

without JLL/DGP/LLL, i dont see it occur.

[sharp finch]

all that vanilla checks is:

1. is entrance ID 1 (this is true for all interior fire exits - the prefab is set to 1)
2. is "entrance to building" marked false (true for all indoor teleports)

[sinful jungle]

i dont think its LLL on its own

[stuck oar]

nah it basically requires all 3 to occur.

[sharp finch]

so most likely, something is marking entrance ID to 2/3/etc. before SetExitIDs runs

so that's what should be looked for

in my opinion

[sinful jungle]

i also use JLL

[sinful jungle]

idk what the second one is

DGP

but ive never had this occur with just JLL and LLL

[stuck oar]

i tested with only wesley interiors (which requires, JLL, DGP, LLL), i removed wesleys interiors, it still occured.

[sharp finch]

it would appear JLL is not assigning to entrance ID or patching the function that teleports players

[stuck oar]

dungen generation plus by alice

[stuck oar]

yeah i looked at all the code for JLL and LLL, couldent see nothing, i tried with DGP too, couldent see nothing

but something vanilla, or within them, is causing it imho.. or, they are making a vanilla issue manifest somehow

[sharp finch]

i think the culprit is another mod

[stuck oar]

either way, the fix mentioned earlier that i put in LI, works 100%

[sharp finch]

or it is just a vanilla issue

i have never ever seen anybody report the issue in vanilla but i don't see many people (even in zeekcord) report bugs in completely mod-free games

i have seen the issue replicate in vanilla pubs, which would discount any mods that would cause known issues

[stuck oar]

thats my guess.. BUT.. november jll/lll/dgp = 1 in 50 chance... april of the same mods = almost 100% chance.. so they are making the issue worse somehow i d k

[sharp finch]

and that should eliminate LLL, JLL, and DGP just by principle

at least, eliminate them as "the culprit"

[sinful jungle]

oh that

[sharp finch]

it is definitely feasible they are a catalyst

[stuck oar]

no i agree, ive always said its vanilla of origin.. but they somehow increase the frequency

[sharp finch]

yeah

it's worth mentioning

pathfindinglagfix changes entrance teleport stuff

a bit

it was changed very recently (no more than a month ago)

only in beta (i dont think it was pushed to stable yet?)

[stuck oar]

i literally used 3 mods.. DGP/JLL/LLL and had it happening, no other mods, so unless thats a dependency of theirs, and i didnt realise, its not that.

[sharp finch]

have you tried with/without PLF beta?

i see

[stuck oar]

i would share my profile, but i changed pc's

[sharp finch]

well

[stuck oar]

let me see if i have the log still

[sharp finch]

there's my hunch gone

ahh wait

i think i just realized something else

you probably came to this conclusion already

[charred turret]

i didnt read anything

[sharp finch]

im just slow on the uptake

[charred turret]

but yes that clip was in a vanilla game public lobby and i had no major gameplay changing mods on

the host also did not

[sharp finch]

i think i misunderstood what you were saying here

you explained it clearly so that's definitely my bad

anyways, yeah, fire exits call a function that searches and assigns their exit point only when they get used for the first time

you can disregard all the shit i said earlier about sorting

that doesnt matter in this case

what must be happening instead (and i think this is what you were already saying, sorry...)

some mod is calling FindExitPoint (or at least manually assigning the exitPoint) before SetExitIDs runs on that client

and shouldnt be doing that

[stuck oar]

but.. ive now reached this point..
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thats the last profile i tested with afaik.

and this was the last outcome i have, dont have the full log, this is just what i sent monty as proof of the issue

[stuck oar]

possibly.. but... if you look at the proof, im pretty sure the interior entrances are null.

[sharp finch]

nice

[stuck oar]

monty's xD i just removed mods

and uh yeah, i looked in the proof, the only EntranceTeleports that get given an exit point.. is 0 and 1.. on the outside, the inside is null, other entrances are null.

i felt like.. 0 and 1 get pre-assigned (maybe by the moon?), then the ids get set after the exit point is assigned, which then makes their exit points wrong (because of the distance issue,... MAYBE JLL/LLL/DGP are changing interior generation to the point that the distances are wrong compared to what zeekers expected?)

so then after exit ids are set.. the exit points are wrong, leading to the bad teleport link up

[sharp finch]

so

the moons themselves

have external exits 0 and 1

0 being main entrance and 1 being fire exit

march has additionally 2 and 3 ID external exits

[stuck oar]

yes, and on march, it has 2 and 3 as well.

[sharp finch]

but they can't have an exit point set, because their exit point would be connected to the inside of the dungeon

which doesnt exist until players all generate the dungeon

it should be null

[sinful jungle]

would like to add it happens on moons with multi exits with this mod ofc

so artifice

[stuck oar]

but.. maybe zeekers went "well the exit point WILL be at this coords" and hard coded them? lmao

[sharp finch]

yes, that's true

[sharp finch]

the exit point would never be at a consistent spot

[stuck oar]

on a 2 entrance moon, it wouldent matter... because only 0 and 1.. so if they are preset.. then np..

[sharp finch]

the exit point for the exterior teleport is the entrance point for the interior teleport

[stuck oar]

ive never checked if its a consistant spot or not.

[sharp finch]

the interior's teleport changes position based on what the start tile is

manor and mineshaft additionally have several different potential entrance locations

[stuck oar]

which is why the main entrance exit point is pre-set, because zeekers knows WHERE it will be... so why is it both 0 and 1 are preset...?

[sharp finch]

at least on all the vanilla moons, all the teleports have null exit points in the scene

[sharp finch]

no, he can't pre-set the main entrance exit point

because it depends on where the main entrance generates on the interior

[stuck oar]

its also set before anything is done.

[sharp finch]

every vanilla map (and prefab) has null exit point

they all get set programmatically through the process of using the door in vanilla

why this bug happens in vanilla i have no idea, but it shouldnt be possible unless SetExitIDs gets called after the teleports get used

that's why i think there must be some mod causing it to happen

possibly more than one

if something calls FindExitPoint on the exterior of fire exit 1 before SetExitIDs, it will be allowed to choose from any of the fire exits inside

because before SetExitIDs runs, all interior fire exits have ID 1

since that's what's assigned on the prefab

when FindExitPoint runs, there is no distance sorting, it's only sorted by instance ID

[stuck oar]

well from my pov, something is setting those as not-null before the main entrance is located.

[sharp finch]

so the last fire exit to generate (it's sorted in ascending order, and since they are connected to prefabs, they would have "increasingly negative" instance IDs)

is what they would point to

[sharp finch]

yeah, that should never happen in vanilla

which means there is probably some mod doing that, unaware that it causes problems

which one is anyone's guess

the order of operations here is:

1. GenerateNewLevelClientRpc() runs on all clients

all clients (including host), in that RPC:
2. wait until the dungeon finishes generating (OnGenerationStatusChanged += Generator_OnGenerationStatusChanged, dungeonGenerator.Generator.Status == GenerationStatus.Complete)
3. run FinishGeneratingLevel()
4. FinishGeneratingLevel() runs FinishGeneratingLevelServerRpc() which tells the host that this player finished loading

the host:
5. waits until all clients have finished loading
6. waits 0.3s
7. runs SpawnSyncedProps() (which would spawn all the EntranceTeleports inside of the building)
8. waits for a frame
9. FinishGeneratingNewLevelClientRpc() runs on all clients

all clients (including the host):
10. run SetLevelObjectVariables(), which starts the waitForMainEntranceTeleportToSpawn() coroutine
11. inside that coroutine, the game waits for up to 15s, checking every second if the main entrance's interior teleport has generated
12. once the main entrance is found, SetExitIDs() runs with the position of the main entrance teleport set as a parameter

[stuck oar]

private IEnumerator waitForMainEntranceTeleportToSpawn()
{
    float startTime = Time.timeSinceLevelLoad;
    while (RoundManager.FindMainEntrancePosition(false, false) == Vector3.zero && Time.timeSinceLevelLoad - startTime < 15f)
    {
        yield return new WaitForSeconds(1f);
    }
    Vector3 vector = RoundManager.FindMainEntrancePosition(false, false);
    this.SetLockedDoors(vector);
    this.SetSteamValveTimes(vector);
    this.SetBigDoorCodes(vector);
    this.SetExitIDs(vector);
    this.SetPowerOffAtStart();
    yield break;
}

set exit id's at the bottom.. my patch runs before "SetLockedDoors" which replaces the later setexitid's with the same code, just earlier.

but something is setting those exit points before my code Prefixing SetLockedDoors.

[stuck oar]

but ive tested with just JLL/LLL/DGP.. i cant see that occuring in their code, but ive had no other mods installed.. and had an almost 100% replication rate xD

[unique wyvern]

I would love that

[sinful jungle]

i should probably mention

[sharp finch]

sorry i sent this too early

[sinful jungle]

idk if its related

[sharp finch]

anyways

[sinful jungle]

but i basically begged the owner of DGP to add a minimum fire exit distance variable

so

idk if that comes into play

[sharp finch]

what must be happening is that some mod is calling FindExitPoint() or assigning exitPoint manually to EntranceTeleports in between #7 and #12 on this list

#7 is what spawns all the fire exits

at that point, the interior would have 1 entrance teleport with ID 0 (the main entrance) and all the fire exits would still be ID 1

then #12 is what gives all the interior fire exits unique IDs

[unique wyvern]

:3 hi thats mee

[sharp finch]

if a mod were to run FindExitPoint() on the exterior fire exits, any fire exit above ID 1 (2 and 3 on vanilla March) would fail to find an exitPoint and it would remain null

and the exterior fire exit with ID 1 would be allowed to select any of the interior fire exits, because at that point, all of them still have ID 1

normally they would have IDs assigned based on a sorted order-by-distance

but because all of them have ID 1, the only sorting that matters is which one generated last

because that would give it the lowest instance ID, and it gets automatically sorted by unity using ascending order from instance ID

if the fire exit that generated last is the closest one to the main entrance, no bug would occur, purely by coincidence

in any other case you will get 2 exterior fire exits pointing to the same interior fire exit

which will cause both of them to warp you into the same spot

[stuck oar]

when was that added?

[sharp finch]

but going back out will warp you to one or the other

anyways

@stuck oar what i just explained is consistent with your results

you are patching SetLockedDoors which runs on the same frame before SetExitIDs (so it would happen basically at the same time as #12)

and by that point, you are finding that the exit point is already not null

[sharp finch]

you said it was still null on any IDs above 1 which makes sense because of this

the question is now "what mod is doing that" or "is there some freak accident that allows it to happen in vanilla"

i am pretty confident this would not replicate in vanilla under any circumstance, but i wouldn't call zeekerss' code particularly safe

[stuck oar]

but...

if the interior WASNT generated, it wouldent make sense.. (exterior finding an exit point on the interior when it doesnt exist, as you said)
if the interior WAS generated, it also doesnt make sense because the interior exits didnt get given an exit point on the outside (which we know exist)

[sinful jungle]

couple months ago maybe less

its somewhat recent

i think it was around the time 1.4.0 for LLL came out

[stuck oar]

so.. like.. January.

i said november versions, the issue rarely occurs
march versions... happens almost all the time.

[sinful jungle]

so around this timeframe

[stuck oar]

but that sits right in the middle of where i feel like the issue became more common, so that makes sense, so that change, maybe increasing the frequency of the issue

[sharp finch]

im gonna say this happening in vanilla is probably impossible

exitPoint is only assigned by FindExitPoint()

FindExitPoint() is only run by TeleportPlayer() and TeleportPlayerClientRpc()

more specifically, TeleportPlayerClientRpc() is only run by TeleportPlayer(), and that only gets called by interacting with the door

[stuck oar]

but none of that runs before the level is generated.

[sharp finch]

it would require a player to interact with one of these two fire exits on March before SetExitIDs() can run

[stuck oar]

this is why i thought those values might be hardcoded.

[sharp finch]

in the absolute worst possible case, a player would have 15 seconds (once the ship's doors open) to do that, but that's only if the main entrance is somehow null for 15 seconds

[charred turret]

ok so if this is impossible to happen in vanilla

how did it happen to me in a public lobby

i wouldnt have been able to connect to the host

right..?

[stuck oar]

i have seen it null in my testing, but i wasnt checking for it when i had the issue

[sharp finch]

in most cases, the main entrance will be non-null immediately as the ship doors open, except in the case of major netlag, in which case you might get 1 or 2 seconds, but probably not 15

if you are getting 15 continuous seconds where the door doesn't exist, a client probably encountered some sort of gamebreaking issue and would have a worse error in their log

[sharp finch]

to clarify, the main entrance itself needs to be null

the EntranceTeleport object inside the dungeon

[stuck oar]

when i was writing my code, i realised it CAN be null, the code accounts for it being null.

[sharp finch]

not just the entrance or exit point

[stuck oar]

if its null, it uses the origin point.

[sharp finch]

you have some mod that is causing the problem

which one, i have no idea

but all this logic is clientside

different clients can exhibit the bug while other clients wouldnt

[stuck oar]

can you share your mod profile?

[sharp finch]

you were playing with mods in a vanilla lobby but one of those mods could have affected this behavior on your client

which is why you had a problem and no other players did

anyways

[sharp finch]

the problem isn't that the interior is or isn't generated

or at least, it shouldnt be

before the interior finishes generating

the interior exits would not exist at all

it would be impossible to assign exitPoint to any exit before the interior finishes generating

because of #7 on my list

the host stops at step 5 until all clients have finished generating the interior

because the interior generates a prefab used by SpawnSyncedProps to say "ok, we need to spawn an EntranceTeleport here"

#7 is when those entrance teleports get spawned on the host

they are network spawned, so they would be generated "sometime after #7" on all the clients depending on netlag

whatever mod you have that is causing issues must be running after SpawnSyncedProps() or exitPoint would be null on every entrance + fire exit

the fact that it's not null on the main entrance and first fire exit means all the network objects (or at least, the main entrance and 1+ fire exits) have been spawned

[sinful jungle]

guh

[sharp finch]

it's just because it runs before SetExitIDs() that 2 and 3 remain null

and 1 may get pointed to an exit that retroactively becomes 2 or 3

[sharp finch]

sorry i have abducted your thread

[crisp mango]

so, is there no actual way to fix that bug atm? :,]

[stuck oar]

i already fixed it.

but only in LI

[sharp finch]

it's pretty easy to fix

but also, the problem shouldn't be occurring in the first place, and the ideal solution would be to figure out what is even causing it to happen at all

[stuck oar]

i agree

[sharp finch]

i dont replicate the bug with the profile you sent

but i assume it doesn't happen 100% of the time

[sinful jungle]

its ok lol i just get notifications for every message (per my own choice)

[sharp finch]

and i assume it also doesn't happen unless im doing multiplayer

and, forgive my laziness, i dont really want to boot up 2 instances and test in multi right now

[sinful jungle]

idk why

but

every time i test with 2 clients

my save data corrupts

and i have to reset my save data

[sharp finch]

ES3 probably has no safeties for two instances writing to the same file at the same time

if i had to guess

[sinful jungle]

it sucks

i wish i backed up my save data

all my cool xp is gone

[sharp finch]

i fucked my XP as well recently

i had somewhere around 12k and had to restore from a backup with only 7k

[charred turret]

all the disabled stuff is when i play for specific challenges or with friends
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[sharp finch]

sort of sad but steam has my hour count anyway

[sharp finch]

wasnt even doing multiplayer testing so truthfully i have no idea what happened

Shrug

[charred turret]

or imperium stuff

[stuck oar]

not sure, i think so, but i will try with purples profile, and armed with the information you provided, maybe i can find the problem

[sharp finch]

i think i got the negative XP bug because i was coincidentally testing without butteryfixes (which has a tentative fix for the negative XP bug)

[sharp finch]

well good luck

i have a vested interest in this

[stuck oar]

my exp also reset recently... not cool.

[stuck oar]

i had it replicating every time with 2 clients. lol

[sharp finch]

i will do source crawls later and see if i can narrow anything down

the root of the issue is somebody's calling FindExitPoint before they should be

and never double checking their work

but as for where that could be

who bloody knows TBH

i wondered if imperium might be doing it

but it looks like that is not the case

[stuck oar]

might be.......... i was using imperium to test.. BUT, i stopped and tried without it, to prove it was the mods in that profile i shared.

[sharp finch]

it could also be calling EntranceTeleport.TeleportPlayer() (not to be confused with PlayerControllerB.TeleportPlayer(Vector3)) and/or the corresponding server/client RPCs

FindExitPoint() is a private method so whatever's doing it would otherwise need to be using reflection or a publicizer

and at that point it's just digging

i guess

[crisp mango]

so I need LI for the fix?

[sharp finch]

it could be split into a separate release very easily

[stuck oar]

no, someone else needs to make the fix, i made the fix in LI because masked use the fire exits xD

[sharp finch]

which i think would be the best avenue

if nobody else wants to take up that mantle i will package something up for it

[unique wyvern]

yay :D

[sinful jungle]

can you have a vested interest in ladders at some point

i want to remove the custom dam model im using

its a bit weird

[sharp finch]

lol sorry

[sinful jungle]

idk why i care about it lol

[sharp finch]

i still want to get to that eventually but i'll admit i've been out of the scene for a while

[sinful jungle]

nw

[unique wyvern]

I really appreciate that you two are looking so deep into this whole thing... it's something that really turned me away from playing for a long long time since it was so reocurring and very very frustrating, esp since I play with the cruiser a lot...

[sharp finch]

it might require a transpiler which would be annoying

[unique wyvern]

You two are absolute wizards, it's so sick

[zenith dust]

yeah thats fair

[sharp finch]

the ladder thing, the fire exit fix would just require some newspaper

to smack whoever is calling FindExitPoint() too early

jokes aside it can be fixed with an easy postfix

[stuck oar]

couldent find anything in particular, also suddenly couldent replicate it..., but maybe a few transpilers from the mods i mentioned all targets the same methods, mabye related, i d k. i was thinking last week, much easier to fix, impossible to work out whats broke and resolve that.

[charred turret]

yeah i dont really have much else to add onto this convo

i dont know why it happened to me if it was supposedly impossible

and i also dont know any mods that would be causing it if i was on publics

i mean

the only mod i have that effects fire exits is generalimprovements

but i really doubt the fixed rotation option is why its happening

[sharp finch]

without knowing what mod is causing it

there is almost no way to tell

[obtuse mortar]

Hmm that could be me

Idk about the replicating with only a few mods but iirc I run FindExitPoint on every entrance teleport at the StartOfRound unity event

[sharp finch]

yes

i did just check

it is very likely that calling it when you do is unsafe

at least, for non-host players

that doesn't completely crack the case

purple replicated it in a vanilla lobby (means no code rebirth)

and it's not part of the monty profile (the one above), as you mentioned

@unique wyvern do you play with code rebirth usually?

[sinful jungle]

yes

he does

[sharp finch]

that might be our best bet on the catalyst that's been causing consistent issues

[charred turret]

catalyst like the moon

[sharp finch]

still doesnt cover all cases, though, so i wouldnt call the search over

[unique wyvern]

nope, I haven't touched it in months

[unique wyvern]

couldn't be more wrong LOL

[sinful jungle]

you posted

a screenshot

like 2 days ago

with code rebirth prefabs in the bg

[unique wyvern]

?

what?

LMAO

what are you talking about

[sinful jungle]

isnt the cell tower from code rebirth

[dense hull]

...No

[sinful jungle]

oh

[dense hull]

It's from Lethal Anomalies

[sinful jungle]

mb

[dense hull]

If I assume what you're talking about is correct

[unique wyvern]

oh LOL

[sharp finch]

ok, then let's call the search "extra not over"

still, though, you might want to look into that, xu

the mod i plan to publish will treat the symptoms, but it certainly couldnt hurt to play it safe and try to avoid causing it in the first place

alternatively i suppose you could make the fix part of your dependencies

just to be sure users wont suffer from the bug

[unique wyvern]

I can send the modpack I got the issue the most on btw

if it'd help

[obtuse mortar]

damn my b discord

[unique wyvern]

yeah I sent this screenie a day or two ago

[dense hull]

Yeah that's the spark tower from LA lol

Personally removed it from my modpack since urchins do a better job at area denial than spark towers do

(Also the fact they can shoot you through walls)

[unique wyvern]

ye

they're cute

[unique wyvern]

i don't use those cuz I don't wanna download a whole mod for like a single enemy

[dense hull]

I use Surfaced for Bruce and urchins, that's it

Kind of in the same boat of how I used to use CR, but it's worth it considering they're high quality and well-designed entities

[unique wyvern]

ye they're p good, im just not interested atm

same with CR

[dense hull]

Fair

[unique wyvern]

i've been configing a bunch for moons rather than other things as of late

[sinful jungle]

I genuinely dont understand surfaced with all due respect

its just like really thematically confusing to me

like, flying sharks or wharever, why

[unique wyvern]

it's just memes

lol

and sea creatures

[dense hull]

It says it in the name: Marine animals on land, most of which being anomalous

[sinful jungle]

but like

why

[dense hull]

Not that different from Lethal's vanilla roster

[dense hull]

Because it's cool?...

[sinful jungle]

they're flying sea creatures

its just

a bit out of place

IMO

like the floating sea mines

what

lol

[dense hull]

There are clay people that phase in and out of reality the closer/farther you are from them

There's a literal ghost, which defies all science

[wind marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-reaction-shark-reaction-shark-woods-shark-in-the-woods-gif-1155782030114972305

[charred turret]

yeah but it feels like a zeekerss thing

[unique wyvern]

they're not meant to fit, rodrigo doesnt really care about that stuff

[dense hull]

So does Bruce Imo

[charred turret]

and ghost girl is like

[dense hull]

I mean

look at Mr. Ballin

lmao

[charred turret]

shes a fucking ghost

she doesnt have to abide by anything

[sinful jungle]

all things considered LC is pretty thematically grounded with a few anomalous ghost like entities here and there, but i don't think zeekerss would randomly add a flying shark man

[charred turret]

a ghost is more natural than a literal flying shark

[dense hull]

Considering the barber, at this point, he probably would

[sinful jungle]

its a funny mod tho dont get me wrong lol

[dense hull]

what

There is no biology in the ghost girl

[charred turret]

ok and

[dense hull]

At least Bruce has some meat on him

tf

[charred turret]

thats some form of racism

[sinful jungle]

hey to each their own

[charred turret]

banned

[unique wyvern]

no they just don't fit and I think that's kinda? the point?

[dense hull]

This conversation is very silly, especially with this response

https://tenor.com/view/repo-repo-game-lethal-company-yes-agree-gif-4179274129702757502

[sinful jungle]

oh well thats cool

[charred turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340453258640228463/1352145085663543347/smallman.gif

[unique wyvern]

like they're literally just memes

[sinful jungle]

i was just replying to narpy specifically saying it feels like stuff zeekerss would add

[unique wyvern]

like the blue lobster

[sinful jungle]

not saying its a problem

[unique wyvern]

and the flying shark in the forest image

then there's just like cool features like the horse shoe

[unique wyvern]

ye i kinda disagree

[dense hull]

It just does, Idk how else to describe it to you

[unique wyvern]

they're like, goofy anomalous not mysterious anomalous

[unique wyvern]

gotcha

[sinful jungle]

barber is to an extent

but its still just a guy

all things considered

he doesn't noclip around or whatever

[charred turret]

the only modded monsters i can even remotely credit as "vanilla zeekerss style like" are the locker, the puppeteer, and the harbinger

[dense hull]

Puppeteer eeeeeeeeeeeeeh

Looks like something from A Hat in Time

I don'

t

see it

[charred turret]

aesthetically its on the mark

[sinful jungle]

Locker is a bit too detailed imo like the model but design wise i think it fits perfectly

[charred turret]

mechanically maybe not souch

SOUCH????

I LOVE TYPOS

[wind marlin]

is harbinger that hyper realistically proportioned guy

[sinful jungle]

like it feels more like a moving trap

which i kinda dig

[charred turret]

harbinger has the best AI matching to zeekerss' style

aesthetically i can understand if it feels too off

[wind marlin]

it is just

not there

at all

[dense hull]

Harbinger's AI matches yeah, aesthetically no

[wind marlin]

it's just a guy

[dense hull]

EXACTLY

Which is why I prefer if they were like

not humanoid

[wind marlin]

like quite literally just a guy

[charred turret]

they added men to lethal company 🔥

[wind marlin]

not "just a guy" but "just a guy"

[charred turret]

at least its an original design

[dense hull]

This does not make me like it any more

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cathands-cat-in-hat-cat-with-hands-silly-cat-gif-14981685377760273746

Inb4 "It isn't supposed to"

[charred turret]

give credit where credit is due

[dense hull]

Eh

[zenith dust]

The bestiary isn't that good as well

[zenith dust]

yeah

[sinful jungle]

theres no modded entity that ive felt truly meshes good enough for me to casually use it

im fine with just the base game enemies anyways

i think they could just be expanded on

i.e the natural selection mod

[unique wyvern]

ending my own life deprecating my mod as we speak

quitting life

[sinful jungle]

ok admittedly i havent tried bio

so

no big opinion there

[unique wyvern]

uhm

wait for next update cuz it's in a bit of a rough statee

just cuz like

[sinful jungle]

but the models look good

[unique wyvern]

bugs n stuff

[sinful jungle]

Code rebirth models are too super hd sometimes its kinda offputting

[unique wyvern]

that's usually why I keep my texture painting really shitty sometimes

it's also easier and I can excuse some of my really bad art skills by doing so LOL

I can get away with bad practices like just stretching a png over the UV for added texture

😭

[zenith dust]

I quite like bio

though my favorites are the more unique variants

[unique wyvern]

that's actually an older version of the texture hold on

[zenith dust]

like leaf boy

[unique wyvern]

if you like leaf boys you might like these fuckers then

althoguh that's,,, definitely not a popular opinion LOL

not many people like em from what I know

[charred turret]

biodiversity is good

but ogopogo isnt very threatening in vanilla moons besides maybe march

[spice igloo]

Most threatening bio enemy is wax soldier

[charred turret]

and the aloe has an indicator its around you

which imo, defeats the purpose

[spice igloo]

Yeah i can see it a bit, but i think the main cause is our textures are too high and mainly the roughness is too high. Weve changed that for the next update

[unique wyvern]

it was made for vow but works best on march

which I like

it's based on the loch ness monster, so

it makes sense that it thrives in lakes lol

[zenith dust]

yeah thats fair

there aren't really any other vanilla moons with a prominent water area besides march

it is cool that vermin spawn on flooded weather

[spice igloo]

Arent they still bugged? I dont know if vermin were fixed

They used to break and got turned off if i recall

[zenith dust]

they are?

I haven't paid much attention towards them recently

[charred turret]

ngl ive never seen a vermin

[unique wyvern]

they're not brokey

just sometimes they can get stuck inside the ground

[charred turret]

ok theyre not brokey

[unique wyvern]

I brought up to cc a better way to spawn em but he's been busy with two new entities so he hasn't worked on that before

[charred turret]

i guess

its like lowkey but bro

[unique wyvern]

I also feel like vermin are just the worst thing we have in the mod rn cuz they're not very well designed

not coding or model wise just game design wise they're kinda booty

uhm

but I do have plans for them in the future, just not now

[wind marlin]

they don't do anything honestly 😭

u just die to water or fall damage or somehting from ogo before any interaction with them

[charred turret]

no they do something

they spawn in

[spice igloo]

even wax soldier can do that 💀

Its funny because for surfaced we had the samw issue of a disabled enemy spawning but in our case the code worked

But it was just a white box

[charred turret]

wesley

[spice igloo]

So people got flung by boxes

Dont get me started on clownhornfish being a capsule

[unique wyvern]

they're more a lore addition than anything

cuz I didn't want the Ogopogo to just kill you

[spice igloo]

Well it already does with water which is fatal in lethal

[unique wyvern]

it grabs you and drops you in the water so its babies can eat you, that's kinda the only reason they exist

[spice igloo]

Just look at mineshaft water tunnels

[unique wyvern]

no it don't

[spice igloo]

https://youtu.be/IV5o1E8NPMQ?si=hQ9KTsGwIfXVTlQZ

[unique wyvern]

if you're talking about the footsteps that's only when it's passive

[charred turret]

oh

ok

[unique wyvern]

and also when they run away from you but at that point you've already seen em

the aloe is a bit more important in the current beta cuz of the new speed configs allowing me to tweak how fast it goes during certain phases

I would love to fine tune the values but uhm... smth about the new acceleration system kinda fucked its movement so the whole entity's broken right now LOL

[zenith dust]

I think that vermin being the worst enemy is probably a good thing since they're not that bad

Prototax is probably the most forgettable (at least to me)

[unique wyvern]

they don't show up much ye

[sinful jungle]

new thread icon + summary cuz it was severely outdated

[zenith dust]

nice

[spice igloo]

Wouldve probably been cooler as large towering fungi like an actual prototaxite

Once drew this

[zenith dust]

the only time I remember it is when the bug happens where the hurt sounds are global

[dense hull]

I like them as little wobbling critters

They're very fun to watch waddle around

[zenith dust]

that is true

[spice igloo]

Global hurt sound

[dense hull]

That sucks balls, but that's not at fault of the prototax itself

[spice igloo]

Redwood x prototax

[dense hull]

Maybe

[spice igloo]

Monty got so mad when people called the prototax a pp when it came out lol. S1ckboy, its modeler, literally named its blend file "pp"

Remember mithzan saying it was one when he first saw it

[sinful jungle]

that reminds me the project file for this and by extension the mod has two meshes called assterrain and titterrain

just thought you guys should know that

[zenith dust]

a little off topic but I think the radius that the walkie talkie does the sigurd sound behind the wall thing should be bigger

[sinful jungle]

o

i dont replace company scene

should i

[charred turret]

add granny

[sinful jungle]

we have talked about it

ngl

[zenith dust]

yeah that was a suggestion to change something

[zenith dust]

cool

you should

[spice igloo]

We dont talk about cr redwood gyatt, shockwavedronussy and seamineussy lol

I love naming things

[charred turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/945168127191285810/1080341794350444584/freeze.gif

[sinful jungle]

coomerrebirth

[zenith dust]

this is absurdly hard to find out

[obtuse mortar]

average coderebirth file names

better than naming shit Cube (1)

[sinful jungle]

i think i did that once or twice NGL

[charred turret]

imo youre less likely to know about the thing on march

[zenith dust]

well yeah but thats out of bounds

[obtuse mortar]

toy store is like 30% Cube names, so as long as you're doing better than that

[sinful jungle]

most of my objects are named

its not that bad

but i might've missed one or two meshes

its possible

[zenith dust]

but most people just stand by the wall with the walkie for like a minute and hear nothing (not knowing they have to go to the circle at the drill area and stand there for like 15 minutes)

[charred turret]

i got freerefillsforever once

im not getting kola

kola sucks

[sinful jungle]

you know what else sucks

my embrion heat wave effects

getting it right is really hard

idk hwo to do it

i wish it would just decompile properly

[charred turret]

fixed

[sinful jungle]

i guess

idk how to make it better

i thought the random scrap pools i added were fun

[charred turret]

tbh just

[spice igloo]

Embrion would be better with more robots imo

[charred turret]

get rid of the obscene amount of 19-27 LBS items and two handed items

[sinful jungle]

i already did tho

[charred turret]

its over

embrion never good

[charred turret]

WHAT

[sinful jungle]

i made it 100% chance for every one handed scrap item in the game

its very funny lol

i dont think the loot is the issue though

i think its just

Too hard

or i suck idk

[charred turret]

the problem with embrion is there is like
nothing to use around main to stealth from old birds

[woven tiger]

what about the two handed scrap...

[charred turret]

fire path has actual structures

[zenith dust]

in my modpack I tried to make the apparatus very expensive though I'm not sure how you would do that

[sinful jungle]

i added random boulders everywhere to try to help mitigate that and then people complained that the moon wasnt open enough

xD

like

[zenith dust]

yeah

I was about to say that

[sinful jungle]

people seem to just not be happy with embrion no matter what

[charred turret]

what 😭

nah they gotta tripping

this has gotta be rubbish

[woven tiger]

can you add one giant old bird in the distance

that will fix it

[charred turret]

ultimatum

[zenith dust]

it was just before it blocked the ship path so it looked to cluttered so they were removed from the direct path of the entrance to the ship

[sinful jungle]

yeah and it shoots a galick gun laser beam at the ship when you pull the lever

[charred turret]

you should make embrion have eterns spawn curve

[obtuse mortar]

and then you make it so that the ship animation changes, falls down, crashes, expldoes into bits and kills everyone

[sinful jungle]

to be clear random boulders still spawn but i added a straight line of spawn blockers from the path to the ship

so it just Feels less cluttered

[zenith dust]

I am THE embrion lover

[sinful jungle]

but it actually isnt

[charred turret]

cruiser is peak on embrion

[zenith dust]

yeah that was what I was trying to say

[zenith dust]

and thats why they were removed in the ship to main entrance path

[charred turret]

ah i see

[sinful jungle]

can you actually change the ship landing animation clip btw

i wanted to do that for a moon im making

[charred turret]

there is a forest moon that makes it land in a spiral motion

i forgot the name of it

has an elevator to main and a cringe masked at the top of the stairs to it that disappears because its very scary and evil

[obtuse mortar]

it's a bit of a process but yeah

[spice igloo]

Can i make it do a backflip

[obtuse mortar]

yes

easily

[sinful jungle]

i wanted to make it land in a straight line down

instead of like

from an angle

[unique wyvern]

idk why you feel the need to bring that up but ok

[spice igloo]

bet

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cheese-throw-cute-sleepy-cat-gif-20993186

cuz its funny

[unique wyvern]

thank you! yeah I like em being small and wobbly, though I wanna have em be different sizes at some point like bhawks

[unique wyvern]

ok

[obtuse mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-challenge-cat-fall-off-table-taking-a-tumble-cheese-on-head-gif-14154057

[spice igloo]

cheese

[dense hull]

You would enjoy RandomEnemiesSize then

[unique wyvern]

oh wait is that audio actually used?

that's super cool

[unique wyvern]

that's so awesome

I remember there being rumors about dat

didn't know it was an actual thing, or like I think I remembered it being a thing but I wasn't sure if I just dreamt it or smth

[unique wyvern]

I think embrion is super fun w the car idk if you guys have tried it, but it's what helps me get through it easily

[unique wyvern]

i'm a modpack fiend, bold of you to assume I don't know about the goat

[dense hull]

Lucky you; you can resize goats with this one!

[unique wyvern]

can't believe they added goats to lethal company :o

[clear cradle]

Embrion with car is great

Also I keep meaning to put out the MI update that has the new cave path in the middle so maybe that'll help those complaints about Embrion

[unique wyvern]

idk I feel like the point of embrion is to be hard lol

car embrion is pretty straighforward, it's just a matter of if you decide to greed it or not

the longer you stay the worse it gets for you w the car (and in general, I suppose), but the path behind the big ass rock right of the ship is super good and not a lot of OBs go there in the first place

[clear cradle]

Embrion is still hard don't worry

[unique wyvern]

oh nah Im not saying the path would make it easy dw

[dense hull]

greed

🍎

[unique wyvern]

Just saying regarding some of the talk around embrion in general

[clear cradle]

I've gotten pretty good at getting worms to kill old birds from all the testing on the moon, but that still doesn't help when your friends pull app early

[dense hull]

The worms:

https://tenor.com/view/worm-pond-gif-21328805

[sinful jungle]

oh my god thats fucking scary

[dense hull]

I don't find leeches scary

[sinful jungle]

yeah i know you're weird though

[dense hull]

You would probably be off-put that I find them cute

[dense hull]

CRYING

[sinful jungle]

/j /j

hehe

[dense hull]

lol Ik

[sinful jungle]

leeches honestly just give me hl1 flashbacks

i dont have a huge fear of them

i would prefer to stay away from them though

[dense hull]

I cannot take leeches seriously when they look like this

No, seriously, that's what their faces look like

[sinful jungle]

speaking of which

how TF do leeches bite gordon through his radiation suit that can tank bullets!?

[clear cradle]

He looks like he just wants a kiss

[sinful jungle]

like WTF!??

no wonder they were removed from black mesa

[dense hull]

The topic of their faces are barely recorded online, so here's the most popular example

[sinful jungle]

okay they do look kinda funny

[dense hull]

Video game balance

[sinful jungle]

they still bite though..

[dense hull]

Well yeah, animals need to eat

[clear cradle]

Give him a smooch

[dense hull]

He would go nicely with a red bowtie and Victorian era top hat

[dense hull]

and I would imagine smaller lifeforms, who generally have less intelligence, aren't as prone to being hesitant

(No offense, leeches. I'm not tryna be bigoted..,)

[unique wyvern]

biblically accurate vermin

[dense hull]

Not wrong

[sinful jungle]

@half lion I finally figured it out 😭

turns out

theres literally a "camera fade" block

i finally got the heat wave effect to match vanilla

im almost certain he did it screen spaced

i took some screenshot comparisons between vanilla and its really close

crazy thing is i couldnt find this anywhere online and for the first time ever google's AI overview function was useful

[half lion]

Ooo that came out really good 🙏

[sinful jungle]

aghh it looks so good ingame omg

[half lion]

Compared to vanilla's heat wave effect it looks a little more subtle, and honestly I think I prefer it that way

[sinful jungle]

its seamless

i need to record it ingame

oh the quality is kinda balls one second

it looks so good aaaa

i couldnt get it to fade properly and it would abruptly cut off when you get close to it

so im glad i fixed it

[half lion]

Embrion looks so amazing ough...

I rly gotta play a mostly vanilla pack with this and the buttery rebalance mod sometime

[sinful jungle]

you should check out distinct moons too its really cool and fits vanilla well :]

[half lion]

Hmm I think I heard about those, maybe could look into those too 🤔

[unique wyvern]

waeaaaveeee

that looks neat!! great job on that :]

[high haven]

im late but yes its possible. Kite made a script for it, but he removed it from his moon Vacuity cus it apparently didn't play well with widership/2story ship

[sinful jungle]

ye i already talked to xu abt it

[high haven]

iirc it also messed with how the cruiser was attached to the ship

it would make the front clip into the ship until the end

[obtuse mortar]

ill test that but i feel that's caused by something else

[high haven]

na

[spice igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/the-weak-should-fear-the-strong-cat-the-weak-should-fear-the-strong-cat-the-weak-should-fear-the-strong-gif-9908234591166092966

[high haven]

it's cus kite's ship animation changed rotation as well

so as it was landing the cruiser started clipping in the wall and then got bakc to normal when the ship got to the ground

i think 1.0.4 of Vacuity was the last one with the custom animation

[sinful jungle]

@clear cradle im adding nodes to embrion btw

im putting them in an empty gameobject so if you need to disable them easily you can

it'll be called like ExtraNodes I guess

I'm doing this bc boulders are only spawning on the right side of the map. and it isn't desireable

so again, NodesAndPoints/ExtraNodes

update is out now

[sinful jungle]

i apologize for the 3 patches in the past hour

i kept finding bad issues

but im done, for good this time

embrion is all patched up and healthy

[spice igloo]

Just one more...

[sinful jungle]

but yeah this is interesting

[spice igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-addiction-cocaine-snow-funny-gif-24451996

[sinful jungle]

would tell nomnom but idk

they are Busy

[obtuse mortar]

from what i can tell from the screenshot, it's LowAudio gameobject

[sinful jungle]

yes

[obtuse mortar]

so ye, play on awake is false

[sinful jungle]

huh

[obtuse mortar]

it's probably playing via audioreverbtriggers

[sinful jungle]

why does it play then

its not tohugh

none of the triggers set to play any audio

[obtuse mortar]

isnt the top one for audio?

[sinful jungle]

its empty

no audio clip

[obtuse mortar]

does it have an audiosource?

[sinful jungle]

ye

[obtuse mortar]

cuz it might just be doiung .Play

[sinful jungle]

wasnt working on my scenes

i had to make it play on awake

like it does on adamance

[obtuse mortar]

and you've got basically everything here the same?

[sinful jungle]

more or less

but like, adamance has it set to play on awake

and it works there

so i did the same thing

and it started working

so like wut

[obtuse mortar]

as far as i can tell from the code, it should just work™️

your collider is an IsTrigger with the player layer not excluded right?

[sinful jungle]

correct

[obtuse mortar]

well, assuming the player really does go through that trigger while moving down, and u havent like, changed the layer of the gameobject or anyhting like that, it should just work

im unsure in this caser

[sinful jungle]

aall of the ship triggers have the same settings except the one inside the ship

the player is def going through them

[obtuse mortar]

yeah that looks right to me

oh wait,

[sinful jungle]

and actually

huh

[obtuse mortar]

changeAudioVolume

[sinful jungle]

yea

[obtuse mortar]

i think that's making it so it doesnt play

[sinful jungle]

no?

[sinful jungle]

huh

i see

[obtuse mortar]

it's a lil weird, im not sure i really fully understand the part of the audio reverb trigger after this

but it tries to change the volume

[sinful jungle]

i dont get why hes checking for changeAudioVolume to not be modified to play

that seems so unnecessary to me

[obtuse mortar]

i think he wants to change the volume before playing, but he's doign it in a really really weird way

that includes checking for local fog

i dont have much of a clue lol, it's odd

[sinful jungle]

god this is rancid

whatever setting it to playonawake works

and it still changes volume

so its fine

[obtuse mortar]

noice

[sinful jungle]

im going to bed

lol

[obtuse mortar]

lol

jinx

owe me your moons now

[sinful jungle]

i stole all 11 of my moons

[obtuse mortar]

modding in a nutshell

[clear cradle]

More nodes should be fine

[stuck oar]

i couldent replicate it with my pack i meant.. xD i d k why it suddenly isnt occuring.

[stuck oar]

i have never used code rebirth in my live lobbies, and my group got the bug as well.

[sharp finch]

yeah there must be something else causing it

it just seems like code rebirth would make it replicate much more consistently

[stuck oar]

set power off at start <- is probably a good spot

i do this to fix the bug, im just setting the exitpoints to null then using the vanilla function (on all entrances)

[HarmonyPostfix]
[HarmonyPatch("SetPowerOffAtStart")] //should be late enough.
private static void fixExitPointsPostfix()
{
    resetExitPointToNull(entrancesTeleportArray); //non vanilla function to fix a bug with entrance teleports being pre-linked to the wrong exit point (usually only happens with entrance IDs 0 and 1 on the outside.. entrance 1 often being linked to the interior of exit 2/3

    preloadExitPoints(entrancesTeleportArray); //at end of the check, load exit points so they are never null so masked dont have issue using unused fire exits
}

[crisp mango]

I'll check if I can replicate the bug soonish with a friend

[crisp mango]

In my 180 mods modpack I've got the bug.
I'm reducing the modlist

140 mods now

[crisp mango]

ok, I've been able to reproduce the unsynced fire exit bug on client with only these mods

[sinful jungle]

not host?

i thought it happened for everyone

[crisp mango]

It does not happened to me (host) only client

[sinful jungle]

sucks

[crisp mango]

I mean,
A moon with 2 fire exits
We both enter fire exit A outside to inside
Host goes to fire exit A inside
Client goes to fire exit B inside
If Client leaves the same door where it enters, he goes to fire exit B outisde

[mental breach]

Since we're here, I noticed SnowyWeeds does a shit ton of debug logging

[sinful jungle]

yeah

it does

so change the logging level on it to not be debug lol

[mental breach]

Lmao

Won't stop Matty's SQLite from colelcting all the debug logs unfortunately

[sinful jungle]

it was for testing purposes but it would be kind of pointless to patch it out now inc i need to test it properly + most people have mods that make other mods only log warnings and above

oh

idrk what that is

[stuck oar]

happened on host+client for me

[unique wyvern]

LLL + JLL + DGP in tandem all heighten the chances of the bug happening from our experience

[mental breach]

What bug are we talking about?

The issue where 2 fire exits lead to the same fire exit inside?

[unique wyvern]

yes

[mental breach]

I'm thinking it's a LLL or DungeonGenerationPlus bug

I doubt JLL has anything to do with it

[unique wyvern]

It's not either

[mental breach]

As far as I'm aware JLL doesn't touch Fire Exits at all

so wouldn't be JLL

[unique wyvern]

I know, it's not the fault of any mod in specific

[mental breach]

Well it's not a vanilla bug

lol

[unique wyvern]

You can read up on the thread if you wanna find out more

it's too much to explain

[mental breach]

I will say I never had this bug during my runs of Journeys and did only start getting it recently and Rebalanced Moons has had several updates so

It could be something to do with Rebalanced Moons cus I added it after I finished Journeys

and I didn't have it until recently

and iirc Rebalanced Moons had an update that touched fire exits

[unique wyvern]

Just read from here, basically

#1308174824505479290 message

Neither you or I are smart enough to figure out a culprit by ourselves so speculating on it is kinda useless

[unique wyvern]

I only had it when playing Journeys

Haven't had it since

So, like I said it's useless to try and narrow down specific mods that could cause it, imho

[mental breach]

I never had it when playing Journeys however since it sounds like it's on DungeonGenerationPlus

that did update at some point after I finished it

[unique wyvern]

It's not a bug that's the fault of any mod in specific, from what I've gathered

[mental breach]

I mean if it's not happened with only LLL and JLL I think it's a bug with DGP somehow

[unique wyvern]

Let people who actually know how this whole thing works figure it out, I'd say

[spark heath]

also have the same issue sometimes with fire-exits, but i do not have dungenongenerationplus nor JLL, so it's most likely a rebalanced moons issue if i were to guess

could also be maybe something with butteryfixes since that touches fire-exits iirc? but i doubt it since i'm pretty sure it just rotates the way you face upon enter

[unique wyvern]

in a profile narrowed down to just DGP JLL and LLL it still happened, it's not butteryfixes

some mods can probably increase the likelyhood of this issue happening

but it's not caused by any single mod in specific

[cinder jackal]

dopamoons

[spark heath]

if i'm not misremembering i swear i had it happen once in a random public lobby i was in on March, so could even just be a vanilla bug

[sinful jungle]

no

its a vanilla bug

my mod technically increases the likelihood of it happening because there are several moons with multiple fire exits now

but its not something i did that causes that to happen

[spark heath]

aha makes sense, i wasn't sure so mb, i just naturally assumed it was your mod since i only ever had it happen with your moons, up until the point it happened in a session without yours of course

[obtuse mortar]

It's okay, just blame dopa, always her fault 😔

[spark heath]

when in doubt blame dopa :)

[obtuse mortar]

Exactly

[sinful jungle]

jeez i just realized i kind of had an affinity for doing that it seems

march was the only moon with more than 1 fire

now theres march, dine, titan, and artifice

[mental breach]

So what mod is gonna bug fix this issue?

ButteryFixes or LethalFixes?

[sinful jungle]

idk, buttery expressed interest

[mental breach]

I see a ButteryFixes update incoming

:3

[obtuse mortar]

I thought I saw virus making a fix, idk

[mental breach]

They said they integrated a fix for it into LI and they suggested what needed to be done basically

LethalIntelligence is definitely not gonna be used by everyone

[sinful jungle]

where

[raw rampart]

In the changelog

[sinful jungle]

i meant where did they talk about how to fix it

sorry

[raw rampart]

Ah mb!

[sinful jungle]

you're good

[sinful jungle]

ill just check their source

[stuck oar]

the fix i did is to make fire exits null.

i did send something before in this thread.. but, not sure it was enough, this is exactly whats needed. beyond the below code, all i did was run EntranceTeleport.FindExitPoint() on all entrances, but i did that for masked because they dont do it themselves when they use fire exits (so its not needed for players, but can be done, my fix works for both players and masked)

entrancesArray = Object.FindObjectsOfType<EntranceTeleport>(includeInactive: false);

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(RoundManager))]
internal class RoundManagerPatch
{
         [HarmonyPostfix]
         [HarmonyPatch("SetPowerOffAtStart")] //should be late enough.
         private static void fixExitPointsPostfix()
         {
              foreach (EntranceTeleport et in entrancesArray)
             {
                 et.exitPoint = null;
             }
         }
}

[sinful jungle]

oh i might've missed it in the commotion

a lot of messages were being sent

[stuck oar]

nah i think this is the first time ive sent it in public in full tbh

but yeah, i put it in LI to fix the issues i was seeing in LI, never imagined everyone would use it, just figured someone would eventually add it in to a patch compilation :D)

[stuck oar]

from memory, because its weeks since i last really tested it.

JLL on its own = i cant replicate it
DGP on its own = i cant replicate it

I assume they both have LLL as a dependency

when all 3 are installed.. with the patchs from september/october/novemberish... it can be replicated.. but it rarely happens.. i had to try so many times.
when using march patches.... it happened frequently

it may just be potlock and maybe it happens at the same frequency.. but thats the vibe i got at the time.

so i felt it was vanilla of origin.. with other factors making it more frequent, but i never found any code that made sense to be the reason why it occurs in any of those mods or vanilla.

[sinful jungle]

has to be vanilla of origin bc purp had it without any of the above in a public lobby

and theres video evidence of that too

[stuck oar]

yeah i saw, im just reeling off my thoughts from like.. a month ago.. before i knew that. xD

[sinful jungle]

its all so weird lmao

this game is held together by rope and string

[marsh wave]

Is the fix going to be included in Rebalanced Moons?

[sinful jungle]

probably

yes

[marsh wave]

Then... what do you think about making fire exits unable to be generated in the same room

That only happened on March cuz it was the only moon that had more than 1 fire exit, but it happen more often with this mod

[sinful jungle]

that's a lot easier said than done, lol

and will probably only be in my dungeon improvements mod at some point

when i get around to that

[marsh wave]

oh cool

what improvements will it have?

[clear cradle]

Map Improvements vs Dungeon Improvements

[crisp mango]

Monster Improvements watching from a distance

[marsh wave]

Btw, why TitanLighting option affect only inside

It could affect the hanging lamp at main entrance too

[sinful jungle]

it doesnt

it affects all powered lights

im pretty sure i already told you this

but titans main entrance light is a different color for that reason

[marsh wave]

Not exactly, I thought it was a bug that the hanging lamp was different with Titan override

But it's different when Titan override is off and TitanLighting is on cuz outside is yellowish and inside is white

[sharp finch]

not necessarily

the bug impacts clients individually

a modded client can force the bug to occur in vanilla lobbies

[sharp finch]

or, in this case, accidentally cause it to occur

im like 99.9999999999999999999% confident this will never happen in unmodded games

true unmodded games

[wild elbow]

@sinful jungle it has happened to me (host)

[unique wyvern]

it has also happened to me as a host

and Virus has reported it happening to host + client

[spice igloo]

0.0000000000000000001%, so youre saying theres a chance?

[crisp mango]

So, someone is planning to do a fix?

[sharp finch]

the only situation where it can happen is if a player tries to use fire exit 1 (in the valley next to main entrance) on march within a <1 second timeframe of the 2nd and 3rd fire exits network spawning (because the fire exit IDs get corrected withih 1s of the main entrance network spawning)

at best there are 15 seconds for that to occur within the ship doors opening

[spice igloo]

i like those odds

[sharp finch]

but that is assuming the main entrance takes 15 seconds to network spawn without failing completely

in reality you probably only have like 1 or MAYBE 2 seconds with insanely bad netlag

all of that is purely theoretical btw

but bad ping and a jetpack may make it possible under extremely specific circumstances which is why i dont call it impossible

[stuck oar]

any map with more than 1 fire exit.

[sharp finch]

we are talking unmodded

[stuck oar]

oh

[sharp finch]

that only applies to march unless mods are used

anyways i still need to make that mod to patch it

@unique wyvern would you be able to test my plugin before i release it

you made it sound like you experience it extremely consistently so you'd make for a good tester

[unique wyvern]

most definitely!

[sharp finch]

i could just release it to thunderstore with good confidence it'd work, but like, confirmation is always nice

i haven't written it yet but i will do that today

[unique wyvern]

I mean I haven't encountered the bug myself in quite a bit, but that's because I ditched the modpack I got it on a lot for a bit

I can go on that profile today tosee if it still happens

then download your plugin and see if it fixes it

[unique wyvern]

I did experience it constantly for a few sessions

on moons like Gratar (has like 4 or 5 fire exits) and Hyve (same amount) it was suuuper common

[unique wyvern]

that is until I stopped playing wesley's moons

[unique wyvern]

sounds good! gimme a shout when you got it ready

[sinful jungle]

will add that as another dependency i guess

[wild elbow]

there are dozens of us!

[barren abyss]

L man hates the spider sounds. (I also was never satisfied with them, but I SWEAR THE SPIDER SOUNDS ARE BUILT DIFFERENT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND)

[unique wyvern]

the spider sounds are very iconic don't listen to them

[barren abyss]

Look I made the spider sounds myself and i was never satisfied, Everything else for the most part is great BUT I SWEAR TO GOD. They feel so repetitive, even with variety and I never could figure out why @unique wyvern

[unique wyvern]

I do agree they're a lil repetitive

but basegame does have a lot of stuff like that and it's never bothermed me suuuper bad; I think its biggest crime is just being a bit too over the top LOL

but most of LR's sounds are extremely over the top (which I like)

[crisp mango]

ping me lol

I'll CHECK if I can improve the sounds, can't confirm nothing

[ancient wolf]

quick question mildly related to rebalanced moons; how hard was it to change the interior lighting color on titan? as in how hard was it to make it white-r?

[sharp finch]

@unique wyvern sorry i didnt have enough time to wrap this up before i went out for the night, this is a bit later than i anticipated

[Warning:Fire Exit Fix] Some previous mod has set the exitPoint of a fire exit's EntranceTeleport before SetExitIDs() was allowed to run. This is very dangerous and likely to cause problems.
[Info   :Fire Exit Fix] Successfully remapped exitPoints for all EntranceTeleports. You should no longer experience fire exit bugs today

you should see the above in the log on any day where this bug would have occurred without the mod

[sinful jungle]

@sharp finch hi

this is kind of weird but could i have the patch for it

[sharp finch]

well

if it works i was going to put it on thunderstore and open source

but if you need them right now

[sinful jungle]

oh

i see

[sharp finch]

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(RoundManager), nameof(RoundManager.SetExitIDs))]
[HarmonyPrefix]
static void RoundManager_Pre_SetExitIDs(ref object[] __state)
{
    // locals
    __state =
    [
        false,
        Object.FindObjectsByType<EntranceTeleport>(FindObjectsSortMode.None)
    ];

    EntranceTeleport[] teleports = (EntranceTeleport[])__state[1];
    foreach (EntranceTeleport teleport in teleports)
    {
        if (teleport.exitPoint == null)
            continue;

        __state[0] = true; // need to reassign exit points, because some mod's behavior expects them to be there
        if (teleport.entranceId > 0)
        {
            Plugin.Logger.LogWarning($"Some previous mod has set the exitPoint of a fire exit's EntranceTeleport before SetExitIDs() was allowed to run. This is very dangerous and likely to cause problems");
            break;
        }
    }
}

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(RoundManager), nameof(RoundManager.SetExitIDs))]
[HarmonyPostfix]
static void RoundManager_Post_SetExitIDs(object[] __state)
{
    if (!(bool)__state[0])
        return; // no problems

    EntranceTeleport[] teleports = (EntranceTeleport[])__state[1];
    foreach (EntranceTeleport teleport in teleports)
    {
        foreach (EntranceTeleport teleport2 in teleports)
        {
            if (teleport.entranceId == teleport2.entranceId && teleport.isEntranceToBuilding != teleport2.isEntranceToBuilding)
            {
                teleport.exitPoint = teleport2.entrancePoint;
                teleport.exitPointAudio = teleport2.entrancePointAudio;
                break;
            }
        }
    }
    Plugin.Logger.LogInfo("Successfully remapped exitPoints for all EntranceTeleports. You should no longer experience fire exit bugs today");
}

[sinful jungle]

no nevermind i should probably just dependency

i dont wanna be rude or anything

i figured you wrent gonna upload it

[sharp finch]

ideally we would know what mod is causing it

and fix it upstream

but it's a common enough issue and it's a showstopper

so there probably ought to be some release for it

maybe i can pull my rotation fixes into this as a config setting to justify its existence

i dunno

first version will just be the patch for this bug and we will see if it becomes anything more

[unique wyvern]

thanks a lot stan!

I'll check it out tomorrow, its like 4am teehee

[sharp finch]

yeah

i had it finished like

9 hours ago

but i didnt want to drop it until i at least tested it

and a bunch of stuff happened in between in those 9 hours

i was about to head to bed and remembered i never followed up lolll

[unique wyvern]

its all good!!!

[sharp finch]

didnt actually encounter the bug but i did force the circumstances that would cause it

and verified that the debug logs worked (which should mean behavior works)

[sinful jungle]

lol

im having an awkward bug where sound panning is inverted on some of the outside hanging lights

so like

you'll hear them turn off from the left if they're to your right

unity is so fucked and weird

turning the audio spread to 0 fixed it

xd

[stuck oar]

Ah I see your fix actually assigns them using your own method at setexitids

I patched it later as I worried that someone may change them after setexitids too (to future proof against some dumbass) fiddling xD)

Also the vanilla function (for setting exit point) works, and I cancel setexitids so I may have to rework my patch, woo. Lol

[glossy wren]

Are there maps of the changed moons? I would like to see them..

[tawdry peak]

This seems like a neat mod

[unique wyvern]

just woke up and ate a mean roast, I'll get to work in a jiffy captain 🫡

[sinful jungle]

that's nice to hear coming from you:] thanks

[sinful jungle]

nop

they're not that heavily different i don't think its super necessary

[tawdry peak]

Oh no do I have a bad rep

[sinful jungle]

i know you from tdp

[tawdry peak]

Oh god

[sinful jungle]

I'm care there

[forest plover]

tdp?

[tawdry peak]

Don't remind me, I'm embarrassed

[sinful jungle]

lol

[tawdry peak]

Of my behavior

[sinful jungle]

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