RebalancedMoons + Atlas

[obtuse mortar]

that kind of is what lets them go into the state that checks if they can fly

you dont got any colliders with the layers colliders,room or default somewhere up high do you?

[sinful jungle]

naw

[obtuse mortar]

hmm weird

it might just be an imperium issue then

[sinful jungle]

fuck :( its not

i disabled imperium and none of them are flying

they just waddle around the map

why????

[obtuse mortar]

that's so weird

[dense hull]

They'r ebirds

what did u expect

[sinful jungle]

i expect these birds to FLY

[snow kite]

Bro turned them into penguins

[dense hull]

poenguin

kiwi

i should draw old birds as kiwis

[sinful jungle]

im gonna have to ask buttery for help tomorrow i guess

idk

theres nothing at all high up in my scene

[wind marlin]

I think I remember looking at old birds and them never flying the other day

...and if I said it could be ButteRyBalance?

[sinful jungle]

ah

it must be

she modifies old birds so you can stand on their heads and whatnot

[wind marlin]

Yeah having it on I waited a few minutes and they never launched, disabling it it took like 30 seconds for one to go off

[dense hull]

Yes this feature is broken

Also causes old birds to softlock and stay walking in place

Immediately after waking up

[wind marlin]

tbf it doesn't do that for me

[dense hull]

Weird

[sharp finch]

yes it does not softlock old birds

there is something else (different mod) causing that to happen

im aware there is a conflict with the flight mode but i wasn't aware it caused them to fail flight completely

i thought it just disabled flight under specific circumstances

i will look into fixing it

for now you can disable the setting if it gives you trouble

[sharp finch]

fixing it is probably easier than i assumed it would be

i was thinking there wouldn't be a layer that fits my needs but that actually might not be an issue after all

[sinful jungle]

ahhh okay

imm just glad i didnt do aynthing on my end

[sinful jungle]

igot complaints from osha so i added more air conditioning and railing to the roof of artifice building

[obtuse mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSaHaG_NT1U&rco=1

[high haven]

i would call this an average aperture science warning but they would probably encourage this instead

(for science)

[proper grotto]

In down, but depends on timezones.

Most people like to play in evenings (7pm-8pm) and that’s like nearly midnight where I am. Unless I’m misremembering someone else being American.

[wild elbow]

Hi hello! I'm concerned about my group of friends who have slower machines having more trouble to play because of the new volumetric fog increase

the thing is it's increased by default and thhe vast majority of them arent very config-savvy, so they're going to be tanking a lot more without knowing what it is (until i tell them what it is, but even doing that is pretty incovenient)

i think having an option for improved visual effects is nice, but not on by default when it's introduced as a new feature in a mod that didn't offer it before

just my two cents tho, other than this im loving how fresh the vanilla moons feel

[proper grotto]

Have you tried using LethalSponge?

[proper estuary]

And LethalPerformance

[proper grotto]

There’s a ton of performance mods fortunately, definitely just worth adding pretty much all of them. So long as they make a noticeable difference.

[sinful jungle]

configs are shared through codes

just turn it off

[wild elbow]

i've been seeing some moons/interiors having trouble with lethalsponge so i'll wait for some more updates and will add it!

[proper grotto]

Do you play with any said moons?

Since most moons work perfectly fine

[sinful jungle]

what is lethal sponge?

[proper grotto]

A performance mod which optimises the rendering system

Alongside some other small stuff

[sinful jungle]

huh

[wild elbow]

yup. it's a mix of demonmae's moons/interiors so far

[proper grotto]

@sinful jungle
https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1345089401100701778

[wild elbow]

might be some more

but we do have the likes of cullfactory and lethalperformance

[proper grotto]

Not sure if their moons are affected by LethalSponge I haven’t been keeping track

But the issues will probably be fixed soon.

[high haven]

What kind of trouble

[sinful jungle]

btw @clear cradle if you're curious i was right

for one reason or another radmechs cant go down large jump offmesh links

they're for like

dogs

and stuff

its weird

[clear cradle]

Not even Walkable?

[sinful jungle]

oh idk

no

i think walkable works

but "Jump" does not

they cant "jump"

[clear cradle]

0 vertical

[sinful jungle]

that being said

the flight bug was also a bug with butterybalance

and was fixed overnight

so no more of that garbo

[clear cradle]

I'd say having the Walkable mesh links would be smart still. I have a bunch in MI

[sinful jungle]

I just left the ones connecting the roof from the ground as Jump

because they're like that in vanilla

I think zeekerss put them there so that when other enemies spawn on the roof (giants, dogs) they immediately walk off

[high haven]

I'd imagine it has something to do with their non linear movement style

[sinful jungle]

but old birds still have to fly after a little bit

i think that is okay

im gonna test sponge out

im kinda curious

oh cool! lethalsponge completely overrides the increased fog distance that i added

so the spotlight volumetrics arent visible from the ship

[dense hull]

Is there a config option in Sponge for that, or is there no way to fix the spotlights atm

[sinful jungle]

idrk, ill figure it out

[dense hull]

I was wondering why the spotlights were suddenly invisible in my modpack

https://tenor.com/view/confused-awkward-stare-meme-tiktok-gif-27027454

[sinful jungle]

well yeah its lethalsponge sadge

its interesting

idk about you but the increased fog distance did not change my performance at all lol

i thought it was a cool change

though my pc is uh

yeah

oh

@dense hull its this

[dense hull]

Buh

[sinful jungle]

yeag

phew

[dense hull]

W

[versed bone]

Oh shit nice gonna do dat

[sinful jungle]

you should prolly just do this instead

set the cap to 250 instead of disabling it

[versed bone]

AH okay

[obtuse mortar]

Not sure how you missed it, but it's been the performance mod that's been having the biggest effect on people since like cullfactory was made

[sinful jungle]

well

it looks like the first upload was in february?

cull factory has existed a lot longer than that

consider; i havent played this game since february

lol

[obtuse mortar]

Yeah ik, it's just been pretty popular recently lol, I haven't seriously played the game in months but I've lurked the thread personally

[sinful jungle]

well nobody tells me anything smh

[obtuse mortar]

@sinful jungle hi there's this really cool mod called rebalanced moons that came out god knows when, letting you know incase you didn't know it existed

[sinful jungle]

is there a SRP mod yet

[sharp finch]

no but there is some sort of desire to port the game to URP

not sure if or when that will actually come to fruition

[sinful jungle]

oh oops

i meant URP

i meant srp as in

standard rendering pipeline

wait they're two different things wtf

thats so confusing

so theres 3?

[sharp finch]

@sinful jungle yes

standard render pipeline is the default

built-in render pipeline is another name

[sinful jungle]

i thought URP and default were the same

[sharp finch]

HDRP is designed for the highest graphical fidelity but isn't really built for performance

[sinful jungle]

ye

[obtuse mortar]

There's another I forget the name of

But the main ones are Universal, Standard and High Definition

[clear cradle]

Scriptable render pipeline maybe? But pretty sure that's just URP

[obtuse mortar]

I'm pretty sure I'm not lying but I cant find the name of the 4th lol

It's probably super old and deprecated

[high haven]

artifice scene overrides might be breaking the extra fire exit from map improvements (Artifice C). The door has no interact and when exiting from the inside, drops you into a nearby pit instead of in front of the door. I tested with the artifice scene overrides enabled and disabled, and this problem only happened with overrides enabled

[green terrace]

lwrp

but it's been deprecated yeah

[sinful jungle]

If i had to guess its prolly cuz hes trying to make a fire exit with the same name/id as mine

im not sure

[obtuse mortar]

Thank you magic man

[sharp finch]

lwrp evolved into urp

as i understand it

but yeah

[clear cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[sinful jungle]

i added lobbycompat support to like all my mods

so thats cool

[unique wyvern]

what does lobbycompat do again?

[proper grotto]

Tells you which mods you’re missing when joining a lobby

Among some other things I think

[sinful jungle]

i fucked up march terrain apparently

it looks like roblox rn

[sharp finch]

i wanna see

[sinful jungle]

just imagine flat green no texture

idk what i did

im opening unity rn

lol

uh ok'

i wonder if its aggressive material fix

@sharp finch

[sharp finch]

idk

potential conflict if it's not translating correctly from editor to game

[sharp finch]

do you use this?

[sinful jungle]

yes

i think thats what it is tbh

idk

[sharp finch]

well

turn it off and see

i guess

[sinful jungle]

ya im about to

not at my pc atm

i hope i didnt fuck something

[sinful jungle]

yes

it was

cool new incompatibility

i mean it makes sense

im using a custom terrain shaderr

lol

[sharp finch]

yes

[versed bone]

wait what fix is that from??

[sinful jungle]

what

[versed bone]

or causes this issue?

[sinful jungle]

its a mod

[versed bone]

oh

[sharp finch]

probably doesnt except biplanar terrain

[versed bone]

like what mod as I have tons of butteryfix mods

[sinful jungle]

lol

buttery didnt make it

[sharp finch]

the mod called "aggressive material fix"

by noosh

[versed bone]

OH lol

[high haven]

Gotta love aggressive material fix

I don't even know what it was going for in the first place, it breaks so many visuals

[versed bone]

I mean I guess you can say-

It's too aggressive

Was found with 28 bullets to the chest.

[sharp finch]

it was going to be implemented into lethallevelloader at one point

noosh made the mod as a trial run

[sinful jungle]

well thats gay

[high haven]

I'm assuming the LLL implementation would've been a bit more discerning on which materials get changed

[sharp finch]

i mean

to my memory

not really

[high haven]

Huh

Well I guess it's good that it didn't get added

[unique wyvern]

yeah it was a whole argument

most people were against it

esp since it would affect enemies and other things outside of LLL when you used it

don't think it would've been toggleable either

[sinful jungle]

thats stupid

[sharp finch]

yes

[sharp finch]

yes

[unique wyvern]

it would have been a HORRIBLE move, in my honest opinion

it completely ruined the visuals of some enemies like the redwood giant

[sharp finch]

i do not remember the specifics but i think the idea was that LLL content would be overridden and other mods would have to opt out

but it was only a point of conversation for like 2 days and then i think after AMF it just never happened

[sinful jungle]

buttery can you check dms ..

[unique wyvern]

it felt longer than that but yeah it was a whole ordeal for a bit

Noosh (?) idk if that was their name went off to college and I haven't seen them active in a while

[green terrace]

still, how tf does it "fix" materials... it shouldn't be allowed to just replace shaders with HDRP/Lit if the original is something else entirely

[sharp finch]

well the problem it exists to fix

[sinful jungle]

i dont even remember why i had it

i think i was testing something

[sharp finch]

is that if you dont compile your asset bundles in a project that was decompiled using LC project patcher

the shaders will be compiled without support for all of lethal's visual features and it would cause them to "look incorrect" in game

[green terrace]

but the terrain shader dopa uses isn't even HDRP/Lit idk why would it replace it

[sharp finch]

with that mission statement it makes sense, that's fine

but it is also obv a destructive change to make, especially if it applies to content that was not implemented via LLL's apis

and even if it's "more correct" it's most likely not what the developer tuned the visuals using

so it will retroactively mess up the art on older content mods

[green terrace]

yeah it also causes increased draw calls cause it cannot batch all the separate versions as one, but i'm not sure there is a way to replace them at runtime without braking stuff because there is also conditional shader compilation going on with the Lit shader

i'd assume it would at least check if the shader it wants to replace has the name "HDRP/Lit"

not just replace everything indiscriminantly...

[unique wyvern]

I guess that's why it's called aggressive lol

[obtuse mortar]

Uh, this thread felt like misinfo central for a bit lol
The reason for the whole thing wasn't just to make stuff look like LC's stuff, it was to replace all HDRP/Lit materials with the games own HDRP/Lit for performance, and iirc Diffoz showed that it does actually help.
Now why noosh's mod interacted with your non hdrp Lit terrain? No idea, but it's a bug and it shouldn't be a factor in judging what it was meant to do

Also it was that LLL content would have it happen to them by default and they'd need to opt out if not, mods that aren't LLL content weren't going to be affected

[obtuse mortar]

That's what it was intended to do afaik

[sinful jungle]

thank you for the clarification

[sharp finch]

this may have been the conclusion batby ultimately reached but it was not always the case

it was not pitched as opt in/opt out for mods that utilized LLL and out of the gate batby said as much

making it affect non-LLL mods was not part of the initial pitch either but was not off the table either

i dont think anybody was saying it wouldnt help with performance and i dont think anybody has a problem with that either

that is a real benefit and a nice one at that

[obtuse mortar]

Yeah a lot of that is potentially true, the whole time batby had to repeat the whole thing everytime someone new would join and argue about it so the order of events is hard to keep track of lol

[daring nexus]

Did this mod change the fog a bit on Rend, or is it just me? The first image is with this mod, and the second is without this mod. Did the scene override do something to rend? Is this a balance, or is it not meant to happen?

[sinful jungle]

i might have unintentionally made it less foggy ill look into it

[tawdry spruce]

aggressive material fix if fixing materials was a class

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-crocker-timmy-turner-fairly-odd-parents-super-f-meme-gif-1224341026557759176

[sinful jungle]

uh, it looks fine on my end

this is with this mod

cant see shit

wait

okay thats weird when i move away from the ship all the fog condenses into this cube

wtf

[dense hull]

More like D

They break like the most niche shit

[sinful jungle]

oh goddamnit

ok i accidentally placed a volume there i guess

ill fix it

[sharp finch]

no you didnt

rend is just weird as fuck

and has a fog volume in front of the ship doors like that

for some reason

[sinful jungle]

oh

[sharp finch]

i guess he just wanted to obscure the path to the fire exit

idk

[sinful jungle]

ah

[sharp finch]

i still think it should be removed

on an unrelated note

[sinful jungle]

i did remove it

[sharp finch]

well, loosely related

but i did want to mention

you should not blame yourself for that weirdness

[sinful jungle]

the fog changing?

yaeh i just didnt expect it to

[sharp finch]

the weird second volume

but yes

[sinful jungle]

oh

[sharp finch]

this game has a bunch of weird scripting shit going on

audioreverbtriggers are the worst

they do too much

[sinful jungle]

anyways this is why i have it set to 0.63

[sinful jungle]

3.7 on my scene looks like this

ig bc the tiling is different

idrk

[sinful jungle]

i think im gonna be changing the reverb triggers around the moons to be like this

unless theres some consequence to it

hopefully i can cull out all the triggers in the game that you can simply jump over or fly over

[obtuse mortar]

size doesnt matter, just make sure ur excludes are right

these are how my audioreverbtriggers all look like

[sinful jungle]

you can just jump over the ones outside the ship though

i think it kind of does matter

?

[obtuse mortar]

oh i meat in a performant type way

[sinful jungle]

oh

[obtuse mortar]

meant*

there's no real consequence to changing size, the layer overrides do really matter though

[sinful jungle]

where do i see this

[obtuse mortar]

box collider --> layer overrides

specifically the exclude layers

[sinful jungle]

ah

theres nothing

[obtuse mortar]

press the arrow

[sinful jungle]

no like

none of them are selected

its set to nothing

[obtuse mortar]

yeah, you'll wanna select teh settings i gave ya

[sinful jungle]

does it help at all?

[obtuse mortar]

it's bad for performance having them set to nothing

afaik helps a lot

[sinful jungle]

icic

those are just the vanilla triggers

[obtuse mortar]

yep, i believe reverbtriggerfix does kind of the same thing as is?

basically you're telling the audioreverbtrigger to not look at random layer objects in detection, and only specific layers (because it only actually cares about those specific layers in code)

layer overrides are very important sometimes

i.e. a script that damages a player inside a collider will trigger for enemies and everything else and do the code to check whether it's a player before damaging, but with the exclude layer set to only include player it wouldnt need to do all that stuff

[sinful jungle]

can i put these on like

every reverb trigger there is

[obtuse mortar]

yes

[sinful jungle]

cool cool ty

[obtuse mortar]

if there's other vanilal trigger scripts like this what you can do is find the script on like dnspy and whatnot

look for the functions OnTriggerEnter OnTriggerStay and OnTriggerExit

[sinful jungle]

one more thing

some moons have these "startwindquiettrigger" i think v50 moons are missing it, how come?

[obtuse mortar]

this is just a code snippet of audio reverb triggers but it does stuff like checkign whether tag is enemy therefore you only need enemy layer etc

[obtuse mortar]

hmm

these are in the direction of the ship coming in, im not sure what they actually set but i believe all players pass through it while the ship is coming?

[sinful jungle]

yeah i can gather that much

i just dont get what purpose it serves and why its only on some maps

[obtuse mortar]

im building a bundle so i cant check what it has but i have it in my scene so ill check in a bit

[sinful jungle]

the sky trigger is on the left

the right one is the one in the ship

[obtuse mortar]

it might just be for setting in the audio of the moon?

[sinful jungle]

this is hot garbage

like wtf

[clear cradle]

I'm pretty sure this is to play the audio of wind when the doors open as the ship is landing

[sinful jungle]

ah

makes sense

[unique wyvern]

I don't know if this is a vanilla thing or a RBM thing but this just happened to us an hour or so ago LOL

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/jSqBgVFrzl-aFOubc?invite=cr-MSxTVXUsMjYyMzg4OTQxLA

[sinful jungle]

um

[unique wyvern]

Iirc something was mentioned about Assurance here, so figured it could be related?

but it's also pretty funny LOL

[sinful jungle]

to my knowledge theres nothing i can do to control where worms can attack

[obtuse mortar]

lol how did the worm path to the pipe

did you mess with the offmesh links?

[sinful jungle]

maybe?

is that what would cause that

idk how worms work

[obtuse mortar]

imagine worm as any other enemy that moves around, except invisible

[sinful jungle]

oh huh

[obtuse mortar]

here's its early mask

agent* not early

[unique wyvern]

no idea LOL

funny as hell

[sinful jungle]

its possible i made it so enemies can path to the pipe somehow

ill look into it

im fixing up reverb triggers on exp rn

[mental breach]

@sinful jungle can't wait for this to conflict with ButteryFixes and GI

since they both have fixes for that

lol

[sinful jungle]

you misunderstand

all i did was fix the rotation of the teleport points on the moon scenes

[mental breach]

Did you do an oopsie?

lol

[sinful jungle]

no

[mental breach]

Ah

[sinful jungle]

GI/BF fixes the ones on the inside

maybe BF fixes the ones on the outside but if it does it didnt apply to my scenes so i had to do it manually

[sharp finch]

yes

i fix the external fire exits

on all vanilla moons

but it does not apply to your scenes

[sinful jungle]

well yeah there u go

[sharp finch]

you would need to fix them yourself, as you have done

[sinful jungle]

idfk

theres only one offmesh link on the pipe from the vanilla scene

and its not bidirectional

the start is on top of the pipe etc

idk how it got there ??

[obtuse mortar]

could it have spawned up there

[snow kite]

Is it possible for them to spawn up there

[sinful jungle]

i mean

[snow kite]

Darn beat me to it

[sinful jungle]

i have all nodes rendering

in that screenshot

dont they spawn on nodes

[obtuse mortar]

i do notice an ai node on a pipe

lol

[sinful jungle]

no?

wherer

[obtuse mortar]

well it's hard to read depth but this?

[sinful jungle]

uhh theres this

[obtuse mortar]

i cant tell if that's ground or pipe

[sinful jungle]

oh thats the ground

it might be that node right there

ig

but these are just the vanilla nodes

so thats

weird

its near the flooor

[obtuse mortar]

and there's no offmesh link on the big big ladder?

[snow kite]

The worm did the scaffolding parkour up the top of the pipe

[obtuse mortar]

shouldnt be that

[sinful jungle]

no

none on the ladder

theres nothing connecting that big rock to the pipes either way

[obtuse mortar]

hmm, i am confused then

[sinful jungle]

same

controlcompany

xd

[obtuse mortar]

always possible

[sinful jungle]

im playin

but

idk

it doesnt seem feasible to me that they can go there

[snow kite]

What about the water tower at the end of the pipe? Did it spawn underneath the tower and somehow get glitched onto the plain for the pipe

idk

[sinful jungle]

i actually added navmesh blockers on those water towers

there was navmesh inside of the water towers

previously

i just put a modifier on it

[snow kite]

What about the pipe scaffolding here

[obtuse mortar]

on a side note those water towers having a mesh collider hurts my soul a little bit (assuming their mesh collider isnt a simplified model)

[sinful jungle]

oh it is a low detail model

the mesh collider one

[obtuse mortar]

okay that's great to hear

cuz what most people dont bother doing is just leaving it the same as the mesh which makes every single railing have so much extra geometry for no reason... lol

[sinful jungle]

tbh the low detail model silos probably arent much better

[obtuse mortar]

rip

[sinful jungle]

they still have the railing modelled iirc

[obtuse mortar]

that, is so painful

[sinful jungle]

eugh

yeah

[obtuse mortar]

i find it pretty satisfying in blender to just eradicate the extra bits of geometry on models lol

like the whole thing is almost entirely just 5 cylinders

[solemn gull]

oh god

[sinful jungle]

blame zekler not me

[snow kite]

Garten of Banban had entered the chat

[sinful jungle]

i did that to experimentation and buttery called me a party pooper

so much random bullshit inside of that main building its hilarious

i love the bits of unused content still in the game

lol

[obtuse mortar]

i'd hope buttery was joking because the performance on that is painful sometimes

[sinful jungle]

yeah

she was

[snow kite]

I never understood her wanting to keep the Experimentation ‘interior’, even to no wanting to add black windows to Main as part of Chameleon for parity with other moons

Rare disagreement with her three

[sinful jungle]

i added the black windows

its just a plane

but this is so satisfying to me idk why

[snow kite]

I know, this mod is painful for me honestly. I love the cosmetic facelift to all the moons but I do not like several gameplay changes that cannot be toggled off so I cannot use the mod

[sinful jungle]

all gone

bye bye

[snow kite]

Then there is Map Improvements

(I like you just deleting it more)

[sinful jungle]

hm?

[sharp finch]

i was referring to specifically removing the experimentation interior

which is not a big deal, but i think it's interesting and fun and doesn't present a huge performance issue where it absolutely needs to be culled

that's not to say i hate mesh optimization in general though

[sinful jungle]

naww it wasnt rlly for performance concerns

i just got rid of it bc its unused content and its not supposed to be accessible in the first place

so

[sharp finch]

btw enemies dont spawn exactly on top of ai nodes

[sinful jungle]

why even have it to begin with ig

ah

do you know why a worm was like

on the pipe

lol\

[sharp finch]

they spawn on a random nav mesh position within a radius of a selected ai node

it's possible one of those ai nodes is close enough to put a worm on top of the pipe

[sinful jungle]

weird

i definitely did not move any nodes around

[sharp finch]

was the worm on the pipe?

[sinful jungle]

so

evidently yeah

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/jSqBgVFrzl-aFOubc?invite=cr-MSxTVXUsMjYyMzg4OTQxLA

[sharp finch]

well

i mean

this is verifiably a worm on the pipe

radar icon on the pipe

[sinful jungle]

worm on da pipe

[sharp finch]

it's not attacking from beneath the pipe

not that i think it could at that distance but im not certain it's impossible

i guess

[sinful jungle]

it looks like the particles start on the pipe

id say its definitely up there

not attacking from below

[sinful jungle]

part of me feels like its this node but idk

thats the only weird one i could find

[sharp finch]

@sinful jungle it can select a position up to 10 units above the node

[snow kite]

shawshank redemption

[sharp finch]

and then it grabs the nearest navmesh position

is the pipe less than 20 units tall?

because if so

it could very well be that

[sinful jungle]

yeah

its like

not even 15 units up

[sharp finch]

then yeah

it probably spawned on a node very close to the pipe

was randomly placed in a position high up

sampled the pipe's navmesh area

and was placed there

[clear cradle]

The Ai will pick a spot within an area of a node that is a navmesh, so the worm just happened to spawn on the nav mesh on the pipe

and since theres no mesh links down it was stuck up there

[sinful jungle]

there is an offmesh link though

i think they just got unlucky

like it might've spawned while they were up there

[clear cradle]

Is it walkable mesh link?

[clear cradle]

Worms can't jump

[sinful jungle]

oh

[clear cradle]

So it was stuck

[sinful jungle]

i could set it to walkable

but its set to jump in vanilla

for one reason or another

[clear cradle]

I'd say add at least 1 Walkable just in case

[sinful jungle]

whats the point of even leaving it as jump

does it even do anything different other than block certain enemies from using it

[clear cradle]

I hate that the AI can spawn in areas it can't navigate in because I'd say just put a volume over the pipe but then it'd spam errors

That's all it does

[sinful jungle]

ok then im jjust gonna set it from jump to walkable

[clear cradle]

It's useful if you want a way onto the pipe

I put some on Offense C so Dogs can chase you up there

[sinful jungle]

im not making it bidirectional

[clear cradle]

Yea

Don't want more worms getting up there

[sinful jungle]

fuckign christ

god fucking damnit

i had to reset my save data last night because i accidentally corrupted it again debugging with two clients

and

i got jumpscared by this cutscene just now lol

i forgot it plays after a certain amount of launches

[obtuse mortar]

unless there's like no navmesh around a node, it shouldnt be spamming errors

though i could be misunderstanding how volumes work

[clear cradle]

Pretty sure it'll spam errors if the ai can't navigate

Volumes just change the nav mesh in that area

Ie worm spawns in Medium Space

Can't navigate

[obtuse mortar]

well it shouldnt spawn in an area if there isnt any navmesh, i've only used the not walkable for navmesh modifier volumes which just deletes the navmesh so im not sure what the other volume masks would do tbh

[clear cradle]

It changes the area to that mask. There's still a nav mesh, just different mask/color

[sinful jungle]

idk if i vibe with the "fixed" sky or not

for reference artifice normally has the snowy sky but butteryfixes has an option to make it into this, which is the normal sky

i feel like the darker sky just kinda fits ARTIFICE better though idk

typed embrion on accident

[high haven]

which option is this

[sinful jungle]

fix artifice volume

if its not in BF its in chameleon

[high haven]

gotcha

[sinful jungle]

yeah i dunno

im gonna keep the dark sky

it just looks nicer to me

[sinful jungle]

i put dust clouds on artifice and damn it looks kinda cool

[obtuse mortar]

Fog + light = good
Fog alone = bad
That's what I've found anyway

[mental breach]

I'm unsure how I feel about all of those extra lights on the main building

lol

[high haven]

Wym

[proper estuary]

Main building looks like a caterpillar with those lights lmao

[proper grotto]

I like the added detail compared to a massive cinderblock. Unsure why there’d be spotlights/searchlights pointing in the air.

Unless it’s identifying flying objects such as unauthorised aircraft or old birds or something similar.

[dense hull]

This what I imagined, yes, considering Artifice is a military moon

[sinful jungle]

I love the eye lights

both of the new buildings vaguely resemble faces and I really like it hehe

[wanton spoke]

wondering how it looks with snowyartifice..

[dense hull]

There’s something I like about this

There’s a piece by Alvim Correa for The War of the Worlds novel that’s similar, but goes further into the face aspect

The off-putting faces (Whether bad or good) plus the fact we know that Artifice and Embrion were once used for fucked up things adds a certain charm that I love personally

[sinful jungle]

bad so i removed it for now

im gonna do it through code if the map isnt snowy later

[unique wyvern]

why would my mod illiterate friends use control company on our sesh

[sinful jungle]

i was joking lmao

btw it should be fixed

at least if a worm somehow spawns up there it'll immediately path off now

[unique wyvern]

I figured LOL dw

[sinful jungle]

same for artifice

if a worm spawns on the building it'll path off now

[unique wyvern]

neato

[unique wyvern]

did you remove cuz it looks bad or because it was buggy or smth?

was curious how it'd look teehee

[sinful jungle]

like i said it just looks bad with snowy artifice

and i dont wanna make it ugly for ppl who use that

[sinful jungle]

it looks like this

[unique wyvern]

what? that's snowy artifice?

[sinful jungle]

no

ohh

i misunderstood

you wanted to know how it looked w/ it

darn im not home rn ill have to get a screenshot later, but trust me it just looks bad

[unique wyvern]

yeye, I wanted to know how the building looks on snowy artifice

since I downloaded both in my modpack but have not gotten to see it yet

[sinful jungle]

oh

narpy posted a screenshot a bit ago

it looks cool

i thought u were talking abt dust clouds

cuz thats what you replied to

[unique wyvern]

OH I thought bad was just talking about snowy artifice with the new building lights or smth

we both horribly misread what others said jfc LOL

[sinful jungle]

next update i think im gonna move titans 3rd fire exit to make more use of the empty space on the terrain

im prolly gonna add a couple more config things too

nothing crazy though

[unique wyvern]

that's honestly what I thought the extra titan entrances were gonna be

[forest spruce]

Scan node is at the wrong spot

[sinful jungle]

oh ill move it over a bit

low priority though its pretty much the same spot

[forest spruce]

Also, not sure if this is you but ArtificeBlizzard is pink now

[sinful jungle]

uh?

you're gonna have to let buttery know ig, it might be applying stuff based on scene and not level name

this is what i meant abt it looking bad, i thought it was the dust clouds, ig not

unless i accidentally pushed dust clouds

shoot

[sinful jungle]

dont do this until i can check when im home in a bit actually

[forest spruce]

Oh maybe you did because

I tought it looked more foggy than usual

[sinful jungle]

sorry !! :-(

[sharp finch]

no i never set artificeblizzard to check for scene name

it checks the name of the selectablelevel

[sinful jungle]

yeah i mightve accidentally pushed dust clouds then

mb

[sharp finch]

if you have debug level logging then i can see exactly where my code is failing

i can also just check for myself

[sinful jungle]

i was experimenting but i need to do it through code bc artifice blizzard exists

your code is not failing

theres just dust clouds

bc i left them on accident I think

[sharp finch]

are you sure? dust clouds already enable themselves when playing the game sometimes

idk what does it but it's something to do with audioreverbtriggers

you can see them when landing on experimentation pretty consistently

etc.

[sinful jungle]

yes im positive because i intentionally gave artifice dust clouds

[sharp finch]

i see

the thing that i was concerned this was

is that im failing to override the sun animator

because normally the sun animations give it a blue tint

and this looks like it's using the normal sun animations

[sinful jungle]

oh maybe idk

[sharp finch]

i think it's funny that installing rebalanced moons added like 14 dependencies to this brand new profile

[sinful jungle]

okay i dont think i shipped artifice with dust clouds

[sharp finch]

it looks fine to me

[sinful jungle]

can you do me a favor and

enter the facility and exit again

maybe

[sharp finch]

[Info   :Artifice Blizzard] Disable daytime spawns for Artifice
[Info   :Artifice Blizzard] Overridden baboon spawn weight for Artifice
[Debug  :Artifice Blizzard] Setup "snowstorm" fog
[Debug  :Artifice Blizzard] Override time-of-day animations
[Debug  :Artifice Blizzard] Repaint terrain
[Debug  :Artifice Blizzard] Change OOB material
[Debug  :Artifice Blizzard] Change tree/foliage material
[Debug  :Artifice Blizzard] Hide Mimcket
[Debug  :Artifice Blizzard] Enable blizzard audio

"enable blizzard audio" is the last step and it would throw an error afterwards if it was unsuccessful

[sinful jungle]

does entering the facility and leaving still look normal

[sinful jungle]

yay

ok

[sharp finch]

how a artifice blizzard looks

[sinful jungle]

i love the chanting sounds in artifice's ambience

[sinful jungle]

bad

does it change the shader

[sharp finch]

it's because im replacing the terrain material

not the textures

[sinful jungle]

oh

[sharp finch]

i might need you to send me the shader you use and set up compatibility by adding an alt mat

if you want me to do that

[sinful jungle]

i can

[sharp finch]

it would need to be before i push the lobby compatibility update

which has no ETA or deadline, i just dont want to come back to it twice

lol

also i guess i should say

this is during flooded

maybe it looks wrong during normal weather

still looks fine for me during rainy weather

which isn't overcast like flooded

it just has rain particles

[wild elbow]

what a journey lol

[sinful jungle]

yippee

[sharp finch]

cool

[forest spruce]

So I conclude that this is an incompatibility with another mod?

[sharp finch]

i'd say "probably"

it seems ok with just this mod and artificeblizzard

[unique wyvern]

YEEES THIS IS PEAK

good change

[versed bone]

Oh shit that's actually fucking cool

imagine leave and there's like fucking dog or giant

[sinful jungle]

im able to make terrain edits like this easily thanks to @green terrace i dont have to remap the uvs every time i change the terrain

[sinful jungle]

and yes if you have this fire exit on it adds ai nodes around it

lol

[versed bone]

Oh shit defieintly turnign it on for my modpack lol

[sinful jungle]

on vs off

[versed bone]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[solemn gull]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-burning-my-eyes-spongebob-gif-5183364

[sinful jungle]

i might have to make the fog slightly less thick on titan or something

even with more guide lights its like

impossible to find it

[clear cradle]

Is this a 3rd fire exit or moved 2nd one?

[sinful jungle]

the one that was on the snow

the 3rd one

[snow kite]

Nah, people should just learn it like they did with Rend fire. Plus if they are lost they can probably scan the ship to get their bearings

[clear cradle]

Maybe put some more rock groupings by the hills on the way there so the ones by the fire aren't the only rocks

[sinful jungle]

ig

[clear cradle]

or just around in general

[woven tiger]

what moon is that?

[snow kite]

Titan

3rd Fire Exit moved from bottom of the structure to its own little hill on the other side of the ship

[sinful jungle]

i was thinking of maybe doing something like this to act as semi bounds walls so the player cant miss it and just walk off forever

itll mostly be obstructed by fog unless you get close anyways so

[unique wyvern]

I think that's alright

[unique wyvern]

yeah

[sinful jungle]

man i wish i could easily edit splatmaps

and like

actually tell wtf im doing

[obtuse mortar]

There's a tick called Enable effects or smthn that turns it on when entered lol

I wrote about it in the pins of #dev-moons

[forest spruce]

Found it, the problem is with WeatherRegistry

And looks like it doesn't have anything to do with Rebalanced Moons as it's happening with only these mods

I remember having Registry and ArtificeBlizzard at the same time a couple weeks ago without any having issues and since only WeatherRegistry updated in the last month then my guess is that it's probably on Registry's side

[forest spruce]

This one is also a little bit off btw, not that's it's a big issue or anything. Just mentionning it

Oh unless it's a Map improvement problem? Not sure

[clear cradle]

I don't touch the scan node on Embrion, I forgot

[sinful jungle]

id hardly call this incorrect

its in front of the door

you're just standing slightly to the right of the building so the perspective is off

[forest spruce]

Aren't scan nodes usually directly on the door?

[sinful jungle]

no

[forest spruce]

Oh mb then

[sinful jungle]

ill move it to the right a bit

so the perspective from the ship is better

[forest spruce]

But yeah, not sure who's fault it is for ArtificeBlizzard

[sinful jungle]

idrk

buttery said it works fine on their ennd

ill check on mine

[forest spruce]

Well I've narrowed the issue to being an incompat between Blizzard and WeatherRegistry so it shouldn't have anything to do with you really

[sinful jungle]

wtf really

[forest spruce]

yeah.

[sinful jungle]

gross @sharp finch

yeah

artifice blizzard is like yellow with weather registry

[sharp finch]

yes

[sinful jungle]

wasnt me this whole time

[sharp finch]

it replaces the sun's anim

[sinful jungle]

iirc weather registry has a sun animator blacklist

[sharp finch]

mrov fixed it on their end a long time ago

didnt cross my mind to check again

[dense hull]

Is your fire exit running? Well, go catch it!

[cunning steeple]

is the sun animator broken again 😭

[proper grotto]

I feel so bad for mrov. It feels he has to fix some bug every single day

The unsurprised questioning of if the sun animator is broken “again” says everything

[snow kite]

It was working just fine for me yesterday, even on Espira (which has a custom skybox) it knew what to do

[sinful jungle]

its not broken

it just doesnt look right on artifice blizzard

[snow kite]

I see

[sinful jungle]

i dont think its anything you're doing wrong

its just

artifice blizzard also modifies the sun animator

but it seems like yours takes priority

im 99% sure adding artifice to the sun animator blacklist would fix the issue

on the user end

[sinful jungle]

okay so maybe not

but w/e

basically its just an incompatibility with two mods trying to do the same thing

[cunning steeple]

does it modify the animation clips or it adds new ones?

[sinful jungle]

p sure it modifies it

[cunning steeple]

@sharp finch 🥹

[sinful jungle]

idk

[sharp finch]

we've talked about it before

i havent changed anything since the last time we spoke about it

in my thread

[cunning steeple]

so it still works the same way

[sharp finch]

yes

[cunning steeple]

okie

[sharp finch]

i have all the typec animation clips in an asset bundle

then i create an override controller to remap the animations to those typec animations

and apply it to the sun controller

one second

[cunning steeple]

do you name them the same way as vanilla or differently?

[sharp finch]

https://github.com/ButteryStancakes/ArtificeBlizzard/blob/8d4faff918418e37823a2c51112eb60e41284a3e/Plugin.cs#L207

[sharp finch]

same

i copy pasted the clips

the only change i made was changing the sprite reference to a copy of the sprite inside the asset bundle

[cunning steeple]

alrighty

[sharp finch]

because otherwise when the game updates

it causes the sun to become a pink square

[cunning steeple]

I will check (when I have enough free time) if it works as intended

[sharp finch]

outside of that is identical

[cunning steeple]

okay, thanks 😇

[sinful jungle]

i updated experimentation to make all the audio changes diagetic audio sources instead of just reverb trigger audio changes

so the transition is way smoother between going into the alley/main entrance now

[sinful jungle]

patch today to fix up all the reverb triggers and implement the thing above

also offense had assurance terrain collision on accident... i fixed that

kinda sux lol ive done all this cool work lately and yet i dont rlly have anyone to play the game with bc my duo's computer broke

[obtuse mortar]

if it helps, there was a time where i didnt play the game for about 8 months straight, i enjoy modding it more than playing lol

[sinful jungle]

yea but its like, i wanna play the game still

i just dont rlly have friends who play the game

[forest spruce]

all mine moved to repo

they think lethal is boring now

[obtuse mortar]

fair enuff

[versed bone]

I mean I actually like LC still-

Mainly cause I think it's just me vibing to it and got a good modpack going

[high haven]

whats going on with repo anyway

i've heard a little about it but haven't really looked into it

[obtuse mortar]

well rn its down afaik lol

but it's like lethal but without hazards or moons, and the enemy ai is more... "advanced"

[high haven]

wdym its down

isnt it supposed to be p2p

[obtuse mortar]

havent played it, i dont own it, im just seeing that its down rn

not the first time that it's been down either

[high haven]

damn

[snow kite]

I think REPO is just another case of a small team making a small game that then proceeded to blow up

Might be having some growing pains

[snow kite]

It’s another horror/comedy scrap collector game, but has way different mechanics than LC. There is no time limit on levels, it is just that monster spawns become unmanageable after enough time. There is also only one map afaik, with randomized elements within it. The game is very physics-based, with you basically having a gravity gun from Portal that can pick up things and move them around, with scrap breaking if you slam them too hard and stunned enemies being able to be thrown in death pits. Your character can pick up a few things themselves but almost exclusively interacts with stuff through the gravity gun and its accompanying physics. Your inventory is only for equipment, as you instead have a mobile cart to put scrap in and get to extraction points on the map to collect scrap

[unique wyvern]

There's three maps

[snow kite]

Ah

Well still much less than LC’s 11

[unique wyvern]

I mean it's more like it has 3 interiors, Repo has no "maps"

instead it just plops you down into the randomly generated dungeon immediately

[high haven]

gravity gun from portal
💀

[snow kite]

Wrong game? Which one has a gravity gun?

[sinful jungle]

half life

2

but like

you're not really wrong, the portal gun has a built in gravity gun

its less powerful IIRC but they still have a gravity device integrated into it

[snow kite]

Ah

I’m not crazy then!

[sinful jungle]

from the half life wiki (fanmade so id take it with a grain of salt)

id actually say the grab mechanic in repo is more akin to the portal gun gravity manipulator

so

[obtuse mortar]

i'd say it's more like the gravity gun mod in minecraft

but a bit weaker

[sinful jungle]

ok so like

the hl2 beta physgun

i guess

[clear cradle]

Thoughts on this? Or would you guys prefer not?

[sinful jungle]

it just looks kinda weird huddled up to the windows

if you could move it back to the wall so its flush with it that would be cool

i need to send you the scene again aanyways

i moved the building

[clear cradle]

always changing things up on me

[sinful jungle]

srry :(

im done changing it though i promise

im happy with how embrion is now

[clear cradle]

I'm not

[high haven]

sry i'm just a valve nerd i had to do it

[sinful jungle]

I think I have it in a relatively good spot imo

[unique wyvern]

tgus kiijs oeaj+

this looks peak

[sinful jungle]

its cool i just dont like how this looks

its rlly awkward

[clear cradle]

well I need to change it anyways

[sinful jungle]

i think it would look better if it overlapped this wall on the left here

but it'll probably intersect the terrain so

[tough niche]

I know weird time to ask but why is the vainshroud spawn for yesfox 8.5/8.7? Someone mentioned yesfox has the basegames values but just has bugfixes (plus the fact that vainshrouds and foxes are back). I thought in basegame lethal, shrouds had a 20% to spawn on a moon that you where landing on.

[sinful jungle]

that was never the case

the wiki said that but it was just wrong

vain shrouds were never a 20% chance on any moon

[tough niche]

Is there anywhere that provides the correct values?

I only know of the wiki

[sinful jungle]

@sharp finch does yesfox still adhere to this

[tough niche]

Where is that from? The config in yesfox?

[sinful jungle]

lethal company

before it was removed

[tough niche]

Is that patchnotes?

[sinful jungle]

nah its a message from buttery

[sharp finch]

those values are no longer accurate

[sinful jungle]

oh ok

[sharp finch]

but yes

yesfox respects all this vanilla behavior still

first of all these values are wrong

[tough niche]

aghhh, would you know where the correct ones are?

[sinful jungle]

did it change

[sharp finch]

the way vanilla lethal does math, all numbers are rounded down to an integer and then the chance is +1

so values were acutally 11%, 8%, 5%, and 8% for this patch

[sinful jungle]

oh

[sharp finch]

yesfox fixes that bug

and zeekerss also reduced the chances

it is now 8.5%, 5%, 2%, and 4%

but also this message has a couple of inaccuracies

let me just do another writeup

[sinful jungle]

while i have your attention

i was thinking abt making the terrain on offense darker

like just offense specifically so its a little visually different

but idk wdyt

[sharp finch]

when a day passes (X Days Left, new quota screen, or immediately after you are fired), every moon runs the following:

• 0% chance to grow if the moon does not support weed growth
  • this only applies to Gordion in vanilla but custom moons can utilize this functionality
  • YesFox will additionally reset weeds back to 0 iterations if the moon has growth disabled (which is not vanilla behavior, but helps saves adapt retroactively when installing Rebalanced Moons)
• A% chance to grow on the moon you just left (Experimentation on a new save file)
• C% chance to grow on Embrion if you have less than $200
• D% chance to grow on Rend, Dine, Artifice, or Embrion if:
  • players have less than $500
  • the ship is parked at one of the first 6 moons (NOT Gordion)
• B% chance to grow if none of the above cases apply

i misread some of the code for "case D" when i made the above post

the one from zeekcord

[sinful jungle]

cool im pinning this so i dont forget

[sinful jungle]

should probably edit the percentages to just be numbers to avoid confusion

[sharp finch]

in the original v55:
A was 100%
B was 10+1%
C was 5+1%
D was 5+1%
in v55 only, weeds were also allowed to randomly grow 1 or 2 iterations between days. in all versions after, weed growth happens exactly once between days

in the first version of v56:
A was 20+1%
B was 7+1%
C was floor(7.5)+1%
D was 5+1%

in the last version of v56:
A was reduced to 10+1%
D was reduced to 4+1%

[sinful jungle]

ah ok

[sharp finch]

in v60 (unused):
A was reduced to floor(8.5)+1%
B was reduced to 4+1%
D was reduced to 2+1%

yesfox respects the default values from v60, but fixes the +1 bug and also correctly accounts for decimal percentages:
A corresponds to "Spawn Chance (Same Moon)" and defaults to 8.5%
B corresponds to "Spawn Chance (Other Moons)" and defaults to 4%
C is 1.25x B (5% by default)
D is 0.5x B (2% by default)

that should be everything

but i assume there will continue to be confusion because there is no sensible way to explain all of this information

[sharp finch]

there are some weird (potentially unintended) consequences of this weird branching behavior

"case D" seems intended to prevent weeds from growing on paid moons until the player is approaching the point where they'd be able to afford visiting them

but Titan is not considered at all for case D and is always subject to case B

also, all moons (except Embrion) are subject to case B the first day of a new quota, because the ship is parked at gordion when the day turns, and gordion is not considered to be one of the free moons

on its own, Embrion is super weird because it is subject to increased growth rates (case C) if you have less than $200, but if you have between $200-500, it has decreased growth rates (case D)

i have genuinely no idea what the thought process is there

but having no clue what the intent is there, i just left it as-is in yesfox

the exact numerical values probably dont matter a ton anyway

i dont think there is a huge difference between rend rolling a 4% chance the first day of quota vs 2% the other 3 days

anyways

sorry

infodump

[sharp finch]

i think i would need to see it in game

it's hard to judge the visuals without any of the post processing

i dont mind assurance and offense looking almost identical to each other to begin with

vow and march look pretty much identical

in terms of atmosphere, not layout, i mean

if you wanted to make them visually distinct i'd say changing the fog color might go a further distance

all of the free moons sans adamance use the exact same dull blue fog

maybe offense could have a sandier orange tone

but the terrain might look good in-game

shrug

[sinful jungle]

oh i was gonna mess with the fog on all the moons too yeah

and maybe make vow look a little different from march somehow

i just dont want it to look bad after i change it

[marsh wave]

😭

At least I got what I wanted so no complains

[tough niche]

When in yesfox a vainshroud spawns, how many spawn at once? Just one?

[sharp finch]

the first time the random chance succeeds, 1 or 2 iterations grow

every day afterwards grows exactly 1 iteration

the first iteration has anywhere from 1 to 3 weeds

each additional iteration adds 0-2 weeds from each previous weeds that existed

capped at 15 per iteration

[clear cradle]

The offense rocks are way too noisy

[sinful jungle]

oh its bc i left triplanar on those on accident

ignore that

[dense hull]

Curly fry moon 🤑

[clear cradle]

Darker vow looks nice

[sinful jungle]

i didnt make it darker but it has a new grass material

instead of the moss

[sinful jungle]

ive concluded this is just sponge being stupid

nothing i can do abt it

[clear cradle]

gross

[sinful jungle]

i noticed even when i changed it back to UV0 it looked bad still

so

yeah its just a sponge posterization quirk

[unique wyvern]

are those three vow?

[sinful jungle]

yes

[cinder jackal]

vow looks so good

[sinful jungle]

yeah i like this new grass texture a lot

im leaving march with the vanilla moss tho

[unique wyvern]

I think the only one that needs visual touch ups is vow cuz atleast ada has different fog

[sinful jungle]

maybe

i wanna see how it looks in game first though

if i like it i am going to keep it probably

[unique wyvern]

sounds good!

[mental breach]

I like the way Adamance looks by default, the only thing that needs fixed is that extended section you added not matching the rest of the terrain and looking super out of place lol

[sinful jungle]

extended section?

[mental breach]

Yeah the extended area for the Cruiser or whatever near where the fire exit is

[high haven]

do u have a pic

[mental breach]

Matty had pointed it out to me one day that it looked weird

[sinful jungle]

lemme look rq

[mental breach]

Yeah I'll try and get a screen of the area

I know there was also a floating tree back there

XD

No idea if any of this has been fixed, you pushed so many updates in the last few days

[sinful jungle]

oh the floating tree was fixed but i dont know if i pushed that yet

ik what ur talking abt

[mental breach]

Yeah this whole area, it's just a bit brighter than the rest of the map for some reason

and floating tree is still there

XD

[sinful jungle]

idk what you mean about the terrain though

i didnt add anything

i just flattened a hill that was there

[mental breach]

Hmmmm

Oh maybe the hill being flattened is why it looks odd

since the brownish texture is usually more on the sides of them

I thought it was a whole added Section

Lmao

[sinful jungle]

that area is almost visually identical in vanilla

so idrk what you mean

[mental breach]

Hmmmm

🤔

[sinful jungle]

this is all thats different

[mental breach]

Probably just my brain playing Placebo cus it never looked off to me until Matty said something lol

[sinful jungle]

i prefer the moss on adamance