RebalancedMoons + Atlas

[sharp finch]

etc

[tough niche]

oof, well I'll see what it's like. Thank you for your help!

should I have all moons on?

[sharp finch]

probably not

[sinful jungle]

no

[sharp finch]

that prevents custom moon authors from disabling vain shrouds on their moons

in vanilla vain shrouds already grow on every moon except gordion

regardless of the setting

[tough niche]

oh okok

[unique wyvern]

I feel like that could be its own mod but I think it might actually ease me into using rb moons

[sinful jungle]

yeah probably

but i made it for the mod

and it works better with it

cuz i can place blockers in the scene

[unique wyvern]

I don't use em cuz I like vanilla balancing as dumb and stupid and nonsensical and shit as it is, but I've been liking your visual changes since day 1 of this mod

[sinful jungle]

nah its cool

dw

i might uhh

try to figure out a more vanilla friendly solution in the future

just not high priority

[unique wyvern]

and since it's sorta compatible with map improvements I'm super open for even more variety n stuff

[unique wyvern]

yah gotcha

[sinful jungle]

monty do you like my buildings

[versed bone]

Chameleon plus rebalanced moons plus biodiversity = best lethal company game imo

[sinful jungle]

thank u 🥺

[versed bone]

Your welcome

[sinful jungle]

i think you'll like the next update its super big

[versed bone]

But yeah I forgot the locker, resonance (but I'm sorta moving away from it) and a few interiors I like

[sinful jungle]

resonance is super underrated imo

i just dont like a few things

like the spider sounds

moroxide if you're reading this, pls, the spider sounds are so goofy

[versed bone]

Yea I love it but I think it's me being tired of it or just going for sorta funny but not too funny like hoarding bugs saying random crap-

Like have sounds be cartoon ish but too much

I think one is a mod that replaces the nutcracker song with a Luigi's Mansion song that fits well

https://youtu.be/JEfIqGf_ATw?si=ZkZXLEyZiqCJ5M1m

Funny and can be scary lol

[unique wyvern]

they're great!!! narpy did a good job w.the concept art and you did a great job translating that to ingame graphics!

[sinful jungle]

yess

W

i really love narpy's designs

[unique wyvern]

my only super small gripe is that they could lean more into brutalist architecture... but anything is better than grey block 5 and assurance clone n°14

[unique wyvern]

oh you mean the ones where it screams n stuff?

[sinful jungle]

yeah... its not perfect, exterior design was never my forte
but i think its cool i managed to get something at least decent looking

yeah

[unique wyvern]

I think they're kind of iconic

[sinful jungle]

bleh

[zenith dust]

I think artifices building fits that at least

[sinful jungle]

i always turn em off but at least someone likes them lol

[unique wyvern]

I mean the style of the building itself is mostly up to narpy if they did the concept art

but both of yous did a great job nonetheless

[sinful jungle]

they did give me explicit permission to do whatever i wanted with the designs they said theyre "mine now"

but i couldnt really think on how to improve them

i already really liked them

[unique wyvern]

it's still brutalism just not the type of brutalism I would have personally gone with (aka just more detail and blockier shapes)

[unique wyvern]

ye they're rlly good

[zenith dust]

same

[unique wyvern]

I esp like the artifice one

[zenith dust]

the big dome thing on embrions building is funny

I really like how the color reflects on it

[unique wyvern]

I think in embrion's case the elevated entrance (vanilla/assurance entrance) makes sense because the surface of the moon is suuuuper hot, so naturally the people who built the facility there would probably want to be a little off the ground

[zenith dust]

yeah I do kinda miss the elevated entrance

[sinful jungle]

this was such a pain lol

but yeah stupid ladder thing

[obtuse mortar]

oh that seems really cool if you'd be willing to share the model and animations with that (if you gave it animations)

[sinful jungle]

i havent animated it yet

ill prolly share it when the update is out as a prefab

but it'll require a custom scriptable object or no workie

[obtuse mortar]

how so?

[sinful jungle]

oh well now that i think abt it i guess not

you could just use an interact trigger / animated object trigger to trigger the animation and put the ladder trigger in the animation

i was gonna do some fancy stuff where you whack it with a shovel and it makes it fall

[obtuse mortar]

oh i would just make a script for it since i can do that, lol

i dont need to overdo it with zeekerss' stuff

[sinful jungle]

yeah thats what im sayin

you'll prolly need to reference a custom script

[obtuse mortar]

i would make a NetworkBehaviour that inherits IHittable and on hit, if not already opened would trigger a severrpc that calls something like NetworkAnimator.SetTrigger(doOpenLadder);

[sinful jungle]

oh i think got scriptable object mixed up with script references mb

yeah

i didnt mean to say that oops

i meant you need a reference to a custom script

[obtuse mortar]

public class LadderTrigger : NetworkBehaviour, IHittable
{
  public Animator animator = null!;

  private bool opened = false;
  private static readonly int OpenAnimation = Animator.StringToHash("doOpen");
  public bool Hit(IHittable stuff i forgor whats in here)
  {
    if (opened) return;
    DoLadderThingServerRpc();
  }

  [ServerRpc(RequireOwnership("false")]
  public void DoLadderThingServerRpc()
  {
    DoLadderThingClientRpc();
  }

  [ClientRpc]
  public void DoLadderThingClientRpc()
  {
    opened = true;
    animator.SetTrigger(OpenAnimation);
  }
}

got a bit carried away

[sinful jungle]

ya!!

animation might take a bit, ik stuff is being stubborn

i accidentally made a whip xd

[proper grotto]

Shouldn’t be much work to add summoner class to lethal company right?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flying-flying-cat-jumpscare-jump-gif-20372835

[sinful jungle]

meh. I'd probably just forget about it like Relogic did

[proper grotto]

I main summoner class it makes me sad

[sinful jungle]

me too!

[proper grotto]

Or whenever I use any other class it’s hybrid summoner

I just want to play the game without killing monsters 24/7

[unique wyvern]

code rebirth already does this

[unique wyvern]

the 7 summoner whips comming in 1.4.5.:

[sinful jungle]

OH YEAHHhj

I FORGOT

[unique wyvern]

the fact every single update since 1.4. has changed summoner for the better:

[sinful jungle]

they adding a ton of new w hips

[unique wyvern]

yeah!!!

[sinful jungle]

not rlly

they just keep kicking it in the nuts lol

[unique wyvern]

i'm a big summon fan, I used to be a ranger fan but summoner is just so fun hehehehhoho

[unique wyvern]

i mean

[sinful jungle]

making terraprisma harder and just adding more content to melee

[unique wyvern]

adding whips was just an insane upgrade

abigail is a really good early hardmode summon to pair with the firecracker, esp after it gets scaled up during that part of the game

then making tiki armor benefit whips too to make it stand out more

[sinful jungle]

look im just saying theres not enough whips in the game

compared to melee weapons

1.4.5 is awesome for fixing that

summoner is really bland

rn

i think theres like 10 whips in the game

maybe less

[sharp finch]

i love terraria

or at least i used to love terraria

im a bit more mixed on it since v1.4 but it's still generally a good game

anywaysi think it's very obvious what class relogic plays

all i will say

[unique wyvern]

I mean I kinda get it? terraprisma is literally just better than celestial tier weapons so I see why they nerfed how "easy" it was to obtain it, but I'm kinda bummed it means hallowed armor isn't a niche pick post plantera anymore

I love hallowed armor

[unique wyvern]

I think quality is better than quantity esp when it comes to such a non-standard class

[sinful jungle]

what quality though

they just keep reworking melee with new vfx

and every whip in the game is functionally identical lol

its just boring

idk

[unique wyvern]

every single whip does something different except like, the leather one, idk what to tell you LOL

whipstacking is a mechanic for a reason

[sharp finch]

i think it's very obvious what class redigit plays

[sinful jungle]

you mean the little bonus stats??

[unique wyvern]

like yeah sure they both attack in the same way but... that's also how ranged works if you don't look into mixing up your bullets

[sinful jungle]

man

[unique wyvern]

yeah they're literally the main draw of whips basically

durendal gives a flat swing speed increase which you can swap between with using a strong but slow whip like the one you get at the dungeon

[sinful jungle]

thank you for attack speed bonus this will help me in my conquest to beat moonlord

[sharp finch]

tbf summoner was added way after launch and they've had to continue supporting every class or people will complain their main doesnt get new toys

[unique wyvern]

there's also two whips that have special effects on summon-hit

like the firecracker and such

[sharp finch]

summoner will probably always be behind in that regard

throwing got choked out by lack of content and time to develop it into anything beyond some pre-hardmode sets

summoner is at least holding on better than that but it is definitely apparent melee gets the most work and additional content of any class

[unique wyvern]

I get where you're coming from but I don't think summoner is lacking in any way currently aside from like, side-grades

[sharp finch]

updates feel a bit lopsided

[sinful jungle]

its not unplayable

ive beaten the game on expert with summoner plenty of times its just kinda boring to me

melee has like a stark contrast in quality imo

its kinda sad

cuz i like the concept of summoner a lot

[unique wyvern]

ye, I really don't mind melee getting a ton of content though cuz at the end of the day it's the class everyone plays when they first get into the game

[sinful jungle]

getting the stardust guardian in the end is worth tho

[unique wyvern]

and aslong as the other classes don't get left behind it's fine imo

as a summoner player I like that we have three very distinct and (mostly) useful weapon types that all have interesting effects

[sharp finch]

meh

[unique wyvern]

totes, yea

[unique wyvern]

just wish sentries weren't so uhm

... bad

[sharp finch]

the fact that boomerangs and yoyos are melee kinda says a lot i feel

[unique wyvern]

esp post golem ones cuz it's like when the fuck are you ever gonna use them, almost everyone just fights moonlord by building a skybridge or going all over the place so the damn thing isn't gonna ever do anything

[sharp finch]

especially since boomerangs existed when throwing class "sort of existed" and yoyos were added in the same update

[unique wyvern]

those should've been made into throwing class weapons

and knives and other consumable ranged weapons should not have been made ranged

[sinful jungle]

lol

[sharp finch]

summoner is basically just minions and whips, ranged is guns and ammo

melee has swords, flails, yoyos, throwing weapons (not to be confused with the throwing weapons that are ranged class?)

tbf i mainly play magic and magic is not hurting for choice

so it's not exactly my spot to complain

[marsh wave]

i see i got a few summoner fellows

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-pigs-fat-hog-terrara-summoner-gif-24014972

summoner is just the best fr 🗣️

[unique wyvern]

magic is so varied (post skeletron) which is cool

I like a lot of magic's choices a ton and they have some of the most unique weapons in the game

also love magic guns... they're amazing

[dense hull]

Oh yeah

Do I need to include the custom Rebalanced Moons names in Weather Registry's config anymore

or can I get rid of 'em

[sinful jungle]

they dont exist anymore

[dense hull]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-awkward-stare-meme-tiktok-gif-27027454

[sinful jungle]

so ya u can get rid of them

[dense hull]

W

[proper grotto]

I really don’t like how melee class was executed. After hardmode basically every melee weapon is long range to a degree. There’s no real way to circumvent it for players or redigit either because all of the hardmode bosses require more distancing. If the ranged melee attacks were removed melee would have a massive difficulty spike in hardmode.

Just makes ranger and mage feel a little redundant when melee has more defence and doesn’t need ammo/mana.

It doesn’t matter as much since terraria isn’t a competitive online game based on classes or anything. In your own solo world or with a group of friends you can play whatever class you want for fun. It’s just there’s a clear imbalance.

[sinful jungle]

holy sh!t i might be able to release tonight

[zenith dust]

that would be cool

[sinful jungle]

also jack im making the embrion building elevated with a jump again because yeah it kinda sucked that was gone

it wont be the exact same spot but its something

[zenith dust]

coool

[snow kite]

This is just me but I would like a ladder. The jump would be faster still but for people like me with skill issue it would be nice

Also for the sadists that put Blackout weather on Embrion (you know who you are), with that the jump is so much worse

[sinful jungle]

i think this is everything

[sharp finch]

@sinful jungle this is just my opinion

the artifice fire exit on the roof might be cool to have a ladder hanging down the side

one that lets you climb down safe but not go back up

or you could use an extension ladder to bridge the gap

[sinful jungle]

you can get down without taking fall damage

ill show you how in a second

its not hard

[sharp finch]

i see

well in any case the rest sounds cool

i am especially interested in the last 2

[sinful jungle]

i decided against a ladder because i dont want you to be able to get back up

normally

[sharp finch]

small details like that are nice because of how they service the bigger picture

[cunning steeple]

holy shit let's goooo

[sinful jungle]

this might be my most controversial update yet

im super excited

[zenith dust]

they can just disable the scenes if they want and I doubt anyone will be upset about the lights

[sinful jungle]

guys

its so peam..

[zenith dust]

its gonna be so peam

[sinful jungle]

fuck im gonna have to edit the water dam

turns out ladders dont like being slanted

[sharp finch]

oh shit

i just remembered

[sinful jungle]

what

[unique wyvern]

guys she just remembered

[sinful jungle]

oh she dmed me

it was ladder nonsense

[unique wyvern]

LMAO i figured

[sinful jungle]

so basically

tldr

[unique wyvern]

ye for scene overrides I didn't like I just disabled em

I need my left of ship fire exit on march... it's my baby!!!

[sinful jungle]

vanilla has this bug where if you mount any ladder thats slanted from the top you'll be floating where the bottom point of the ladder is horizontally https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265153019792855050/1348870304264622130/image.png?ex=67d108dd&is=67cfb75d&hm=62353184be14837af5a2f1526daf0eaf07c5e6d6e4990c6507f3f87cef6f124e&

[unique wyvern]

[sinful jungle]

(this is an extension ladder)

so

i have to do this in the meantime

buttery is gonna make a patch to fix it later on

[unique wyvern]

oh lorde

[sinful jungle]

looks alright

[crisp mango]

Don't forget Experimentation and its ladders

Just to make sure lol

[sinful jungle]

oh i just didnt include minor bug fixes in the patch notes this time

there was a lot and frankly some i forgot

[sinful jungle]

update was almost delayed by a glass of water

i spilled water on keyboard

i had to blowdry it for like 30m

im lucky it is working

[dense hull]

Should've been Coke smh

[sinful jungle]

i dont know what is happening here

i might have to add navmesh blockers to the roof unfortunately

[obtuse mortar]

what even is that lol

[sinful jungle]

old birds

they're generating inside idk why

3 of them intersecting

idk why

[obtuse mortar]

ah weird, i need to look into how they spawn soon cuz i've had em spawning at Vector3.zero for me recently

seems like yours is a semi different problem though

[sinful jungle]

that whole area in the floor is empty space, i even put a modifier volume there

i dont get it

why do they spawn like this??

[obtuse mortar]

LMAO

[sinful jungle]

the fuck

[obtuse mortar]

big old bird does not what you to know

[sinful jungle]

at least they unstuck when they spawn

but like

wtf

ok bruh they're walking in place on the roof

ok sad i have to block the roof from navmesh generating there

@obtuse mortar do you still want the ladder btw

[obtuse mortar]

yes the ladder would be amazing

[sinful jungle]

wh

dog

[dense hull]

Perceive

[sinful jungle]

help

[dense hull]

Are you sure this is Embrion or Site-19

[sinful jungle]

theres literally no navmesh here

[obtuse mortar]

i dont think it needs navmesh to put em in a spot lol, ill look at their spawning code in a sec

[sinful jungle]

omfg does it just do a raycast

iirc buttery told me modifiers would stop them from spawning in that area

i guess not

[obtuse mortar]

hmm they should be going into navmesh, do you have any outside nodes in that area with no nearby navmesh?

[sinful jungle]

possibly

one second

ill be damned

[obtuse mortar]

lol

[sinful jungle]

thanks

[obtuse mortar]

        GameObject[] array = GameObject.FindGameObjectsWithTag("OutsideAINode");
        int num = randomSeed.Next(0, array.Length);
        Vector3 vector = Vector3.zero;
        for (int i = 0; i < array.Length; i++)
        {
            vector = array[num].transform.position;
            vector = this.GetRandomNavMeshPositionInBoxPredictable(vector, 15f, default(NavMeshHit), randomSeed, this.GetLayermaskForEnemySizeLimit(enemyType));
            vector = this.PositionWithDenialPointsChecked(vector, array, enemyType);
            Vector3 vector2 = this.PositionEdgeCheck(vector, enemyType.nestSpawnPrefabWidth);
            if (vector2 == Vector3.zero)
            {
                num = (num + 1) % array.Length;
            }
            else
            {
                vector = vector2;
            }
        }
``` for future reference this is how they're spawned

[sinful jungle]

well

[obtuse mortar]

surprisingly spawn denial points give a flat 16 radius denial

[sinful jungle]

should i continue to let em spawn on roofs

here

wdyt

[obtuse mortar]

they can fly, makes sense for em to just spawn anywhere accessible via air

[sinful jungle]

alrighty

[obtuse mortar]

for me if they go over a certain height ill just shoot them down, air control and that

greg will take care of em

[sinful jungle]

hehehe

omg i bet the ac units are so cool with my embrion actually

[obtuse mortar]

i've had people ask for acunits to target old birds too, but i havent had the chance to model a debris effect that would fall on players as a way to balance it out

[sinful jungle]

update out

[high haven]

awesome

i just have a few questions

• will artifice's changes affect anything changed by MapImprovements?
• will embrion's new building conflict with the modified building in MapImprovements?
• will vow's rope bridge conflict with MapImprovements if the change to remove the dam is disabled?

[sinful jungle]

1. i dont know
2. it shouldn't but further testing might be necessary
3. no because the LADDER (not bridge) is a child of the dam so if the dam is disabled so is the ladder

[high haven]

oh ladder

mb im tired

[sinful jungle]

me too dw lol

[high haven]

i'll do a check on everything real quick to confirm my assumptions

[high haven]

ok so

• artifice's new building doesn't affect MI
• embrion's new building doesn't affect MI, the extra side building might be a side effect though
• vow's rope ladder works fine with MI

all the changes are really good! idk if it's from this mod or something else, but i got stormy on artifice and it was triggering lightning on indoor items even if it didn't reach them

[sinful jungle]

what variant has the extra buildings on embrion

[high haven]

i think variant 2

it adds a new fire exit to the left

[sinful jungle]

A B or C?

[high haven]

B

i had B and C enabled, A never spawn because it completely removes ur building

[sinful jungle]

sorry but do you know what the dif between RandomAny and RandomAll is?

just wonderin

in their config

[high haven]

i gotta think of a way to word it

[sinful jungle]

issue

[high haven]

i think RandomAny means if 1 change is spawned it has a 50% chance to spawn any other change
RandomAll means if 1 change is spawned it has a 50% chance to generate all others

[high haven]

is this embrion A?

[sinful jungle]

idk

[high haven]

looks like it

embrion A is the one that converts all the entrances to be in caves

[sinful jungle]

doing spooky a favor

[sinful jungle]

actually this is better

[versed bone]

Hey question, for the outside lights turning off.

Is that configurable to be disabled?

[sinful jungle]

naw i would have to retag every light in code and that would be way too much effort

the toggle is turning the scene off unfortunately

[marsh wave]

I'd like to request please split the navmesh changes from the moon overrides... Why can't I have them without modifying the moon

These changes are cool, I just don't like a few ones sry

[versed bone]

Oof

[sinful jungle]

i dont feel like it tho

the outcome could be useful im sure but it also just does not benefit me in any way and im not really interested

[proper grotto]

I love the moon changes personally

Guess it’s not for everyone though

[clear cradle]

I sleep in and wake up to you spamming me with GitHub emails smh

[unique wyvern]

HAHSAH

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-wake-up-wakey-wakey-awaken-gif-26734899

[clear cradle]

You really sent me the scene to check compatibility and then you go and add a fire exit next to main

[zenith dust]

@sinful jungle I think the artifice building spotlights should have some sort of collision

I think this bit of the fence (on the left side) isn't rendering, because it does have collision but its invisible

and I think the building ambience should extend to the roof

[sinful jungle]

tyy

hotfix today

[dense hull]

6% snowy Artifice while checking now its new building

What the fuc

[sinful jungle]

is there an issue im missing

o fuck i forgot to give the spotlights colliders

[dense hull]

no

It was just a rare cool sight considering this is my first time seeing said building

[sinful jungle]

the building looks rlly cool in the snow

i will say

[dense hull]

Agre

[sinful jungle]

@sharp finch get a load of this ..

[dense hull]

Looks like a prison almost

Oh yea you should probably add like

Railings to the top of the building

It'd make sense methinks

[sharp finch]

snow prison?

[dense hull]

Yea

[sinful jungle]

oh yeah not a bad idea

[sharp finch]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/zepsun/Conviction/ ?

[dense hull]

Is that moon canonically a prison?

I haven't played it in a year

[sinful jungle]

"conviction" would lead me to believe so

[dense hull]

Yea

[high haven]

oh yeah

[sinful jungle]

like i would assume the moon named conviction is a prison moon lol

would be funny if it wasnt

[high haven]

it doesn't really give off that impression

[sinful jungle]

womp womp

missed opportunity

[high haven]

last time i played it, it was a box building nestled in a bunch of snowy hills

i want to like it cus the concept of a constantly dark snow moon is cool, but it's so simple

[dense hull]

Wtf, I never spawned this pro-flashlight

Anyways

This shit fucking rocks

Great job on the model 🔥

[sinful jungle]

btw those clipping buildings from map improvements will be fixed in the next update

i made a pull request

so they get deleted if my scene is loaded

[dense hull]

I don't use them anymore anyway since they aren't dark like the main building and fire exit

[sinful jungle]

that will be fixed too

[dense hull]

Embrion doesn't have to have a second fire exit anyway

[sinful jungle]

i think

[dense hull]

oh ok

[snow kite]

The map size multiplier 5 moon

[sinful jungle]

r u serious

wow thats some stinky stats

[snow kite]

Certainly a way to make it harder than Titan

[sinful jungle]

pestilence is still the most fun "hardest moon" mod IMO

[snow kite]

Second highest I have even seen is Ganimedes at 3, and that moon has 4 fire exits and jewel scrap worth hundreds of credits

[snow kite]

I will have to see what that is

[sinful jungle]

It's kind of ugly. I wont lie

but it is very fun

[snow kite]

Ganimedes is hard to beat for me as the best ‘hardest moon’, its exterior is super fun, basically being Artifice on steroids

[sinful jungle]

will have to check that out

[snow kite]

Giant facility can be a bummer but it was at least designed with that in mind

[sinful jungle]

ganimedes is such a terrible name btw how do you evne pronounce that

is it like ganymede?

[high haven]

i think so

[sinful jungle]

like the jupiter moon

[versed bone]

honestly out of the modded moons that fit the redesigns and rebalances made by this mod and butterybalances-

I say is Haul and Tunere from Rosie Moons

[high haven]

omfg

i went to open my lc moon tierlist to see which hard moons i like

[versed bone]

for me at least as I'm not sure about other moons

[high haven]

but firefox reset its cache a few days ago and reset my entire tierlist

[solar moon]

Gan knee mead dess is my guess

[snow kite]

RosieMoons are underrated tbh

[sinful jungle]

I will say when I was making them the only custom moons I actively used and balanced them around was distinct moon variety

[versed bone]

I played them with a friend and ngl we didn't enjoy them

[sinful jungle]

but this was back when i still handled balancing on my own

[high haven]

as far as hardest moons go i only remember Sector 0 which is really good imo

[versed bone]

TRUE

but yeah I think it's just me wanting both visual and gameplay which is why I felt Tunere and Haul felt balanced/fit in my modpack

just not sure to install the rest of the gordion and/or Raven Saga moons-

[sinful jungle]

im taking this personally btw

volition is my goat

next update ties a rocket to your back specifically

[snow kite]

Which one is that again

[sinful jungle]

forest moon

[versed bone]

https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-17107588862516012936

[sinful jungle]

has graffiti

and 2 main buildings

one on each side of the map

i think it got redesigned recently

ill need to check it out again

[snow kite]

Oh wait the Beanie moon

[sinful jungle]

nono

distinct

beanie is cool af tho

love his moons

[snow kite]

Wait that’s a Distinct moon?

[sinful jungle]

yes

[snow kite]

Feels more like a Beanie moon ngl

[sinful jungle]

it even has a custom ambience track

ugh its so good

i love volition

[snow kite]

Distinct moons are so weird for me, they either are not vanilla enough (the train station moon I forgor the name) or too similar to existing ones (Attenuation)

I am just too picky it seems

[versed bone]

I'm in the same boat

[dense hull]

How is Retinue not vanilla enough?

It has the exact same artstyle

[sinful jungle]

yeah idk retinue feels fine to me

[snow kite]

Kast is like the perfect moon for me, 100% vanilla while having a unique exterior

[sinful jungle]

its just big

which is unlike vanilla moons

[dense hull]

Sure, there might be a false interior, but you have to consider just because Zeekerss hasn't done it yet, doesn't mean he would

[sinful jungle]

but i think the art style is like on point

[dense hull]

?

March

Embrion

[sinful jungle]

retinue is bigger than march

isnt it?

[dense hull]

no

Well

Maybe

[sinful jungle]

shrug

[dense hull]

not by much, but Idk how that's a good point

[sinful jungle]

im pretty sure it is, point is its still feels pretty vanilla to me

[snow kite]

Until he does the moon is decidedly not vanilla for me, sorry not sorry

[dense hull]

Didn't even give a reason to why but ok

[sinful jungle]

the false interior in the building?

thats just because he just used the same mesh

oh

wait

no

the entrance

i forgot

it has dogs

[dense hull]

That's

fire exit

Main is outside of the false interior

[snow kite]

Oh wait

[sinful jungle]

i think i onyl ever entered through fire exit

now that i think abouit it

lol

[dense hull]

Yea main is to the very right of fire

[snow kite]

When I say false interior I refer to the fire exit

[dense hull]

Across the floating train tracks

[dense hull]

Yeah, Idk how that isn't vanilla

[sinful jungle]

i mean its obviously diff from anything done in vanilla but i think thats cool

it fits

i think

makes the moon unique

[dense hull]

This too

Warehouses being an example

[snow kite]

It is in the same boat as FacilityMeltdown imo, I could see Zeekerss adding it but for now at least he has not

[dense hull]

Wtf

FacilityMeltdown is absolutely not the same

😭

The apparatus already has its gimmick

[sinful jungle]

@marble wagon oh my god pestilence looks so much better after the update

im just now finally trying it

everything doesnt look smeared in vaseline

thank you so much

[dense hull]

If you mean outside of the apparatus, I agree

but regarding the apparatus, no, unless he does something with the drill

[sinful jungle]

still could use some ambience though

its so quiet

huge turnoff for me

[snow kite]

I can grit my teeth and accept a moon with no ambience, the kinds of moons I like are in short supply post v50

[high haven]

moons with no ambiance really bug me

[dense hull]

the pestilence

[high haven]

admittedly sector 0 has no outside ambience which is why is set it to always have some kind of rain]

[sinful jungle]

lamegamertime im a sound designer let me make a custom ambience track for pestilence

😭

[high haven]

fiufki's moons had an issue with no ambience for a while but those got fixed

[dense hull]

Ooblterra's ambience is broken lmao

[snow kite]

Those are among my favorites too

[high haven]

i guess while i'm at it i would 100% recommend siabudabu and fremist

very good moons

[dense hull]

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like it's getting updated anytime soon...

It's still my favorite custom moon

[half lion]

Definitely bigger than March

[versed bone]

but yeah I want to add more moons to my modpack-

just unsure of what-

As I got haul and Tunere

[dense hull]

Oh yeah question

[sinful jungle]

distinct im on the frontlines here for ur moons bro

[dense hull]

When you were naming your moons, does their vanilla placement in the catalog concede with the story each moon's name is trying to tell

Just wondering if u know about that

Seems like most don't

[high haven]

consider Fiufki's, some of my favorites

[versed bone]

Yea gonna check those out

[sinful jungle]

we cant control where it goes

[dense hull]

Wtf you can't?

[half lion]

Yeah I can't control where they are placed in there

[sinful jungle]

you cant

no

it sucks

[versed bone]

I just let them get sorted by rank

[snow kite]

Have to use a terminal format mod

[dense hull]

Where would they be then?

[dense hull]

Personally went with Experimentation, Assurance, Vow, March, Offense, Adamance, Volition, Rend, Attenuation, Dine, Titan, Retinue, Artifice, Embrion, Detritus, and (Not Distinct) Wither via prices

[snow kite]

Telling a story with moon names is also hard, you have to be really picky, and either hide moons or be forced to add moons in groups of 3

[dense hull]

It's probably the biggest factor in why I don't branch out in moons now

Either that, or the moon is hidden from normal view

Ooblterra used to be like that

Though, I'm fine with what I've got rn anyways

Distinct and Science Bird rocks

[snow kite]

I pay a little attention to it but I am not breaking my back over it. Not gonna leave out an awesome moon over something so insignificant

[dense hull]

To each their own; not insignificant to me

[snow kite]

I gotta see what these names even mean

I got like 10 moons where if you asked me what their names meant I would not know

[dense hull]

You'll see my vision probably

If you look them up that is

[marble wagon]

I actually forget if I left it ambience-less due to not figuring out ambience or if I liked the quiet

[dense hull]

Zero ambience on some moons work pretty good

[snow kite]

Just wind blowing or the echoes from the desert moons are a good compromise imo, make the moon not feel completely empty

[dense hull]

I haven't played Toyhouse, Playzone, whatever that moon's name is, but I imagine the stillness would make it pretty eerie

[sinful jungle]

yeah but you have to add some white noise

its a huge open space

like adjective said, wind or something

it just doesnt make sense

[snow kite]

Oh hey while you all are here, what are you all’s thought on Tony’s moons??

[half lion]

That's actually quite on the mark to where I would put them tbh

[dense hull]

Oh? What would u change

[dense hull]

True

[half lion]

Retinue & Attenuation with eachother

[marble wagon]

iirc wind plays on higher elevations unless that broke

[dense hull]

Even though the Playhouse is anomalous

[sinful jungle]

well in any case

im really happy with the visual side of things

it looks good now

[half lion]

the purple guy moon

[snow kite]

Insert Markiplier

[half lion]

but tbh i have not tried them. the screenshots don't seem appealing

[versed bone]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-fnaf-security-breach-purple-guy-man-behind-the-slaughter-five-nights-at-freddys-gif-24196550

[snow kite]

They are just hilarious to walk around for 5 minutes and then never touch again

[dense hull]

I wouldn't use them personally, but I don't care to make fun of them either

They're mid

At least judging from the exteriors

[sinful jungle]

i wonder if atlas works with distinct moons

i am gonna try

[dense hull]

I don't know what their stats r like

[dense hull]

yes

I use them

[sinful jungle]

likee

out of the box tho

or

did uh ave to manually

[dense hull]

Oh

Idk

[versed bone]

oh wait really??

it isn't automatic?

[high haven]

ok

i finally remade my tierlist

[sinful jungle]

what do you know

[versed bone]

it works?!

[sinful jungle]

distinct set their tags up it seems

unlike SOMMEE moon devs

[half lion]

Moon devs try to set up tags challenge

[versed bone]

OOF

yea I love moons with tags-

[snow kite]

Not sure if Powerfull has added tags to their moons yet after I asked them a month ago 😭

[versed bone]

wait does fiufki's moon have tags??

[snow kite]

Yes

[versed bone]

sweet

[sinful jungle]

DISTINCTTT

DID U MOVE THE ROCK ON ATTENUATION SO U CANT HOP THE FENCE ANYMORE

😭

[versed bone]

okay haul is blank so I set it manually so I'm gonna see that does anything

for the atlas mod

[dense hull]

It's still there IIRC

[sinful jungle]

it is

but its like

[dense hull]

I didn't know you could even hop it

[sinful jungle]

slightly moved

the rock was pushed back a bit

i cant jump over the fence anymore sdfjksldkfj

[dense hull]

Let me fact check this

[versed bone]

nope haul is just smog lol

[dense hull]

I couldn't do it because I was fat, but I'll try

[sinful jungle]

this one btw

[dense hull]

Attenuation in my modpack has a lot of heavy garbage for being a Tier 3 with forest keepers

[versed bone]

or well doesn't work

[dense hull]

Does the ladder on Vow come out of the tin

[half lion]

You can still jump it pretty sure

[dense hull]

I looked for the option to enable it

but can't find it

[sinful jungle]

yeah

[dense hull]

Oh ok cool

[sinful jungle]

i havent made an option for it yet cuz i was lazy

i just wanted to get it out

[dense hull]

Zeekerss reference (v55 🥲)

[sinful jungle]

god the attenuation redesign is so good

[unique wyvern]

I loved volitions old main entrance but I no likey the current one : (

[versed bone]

dang haul and Tunere don't have atlas support/work

[unique wyvern]

i still think themoon pack is goated

[sinful jungle]

ohhh

skill issue

nvm

[dense hull]

Unrelated but Rend has the same issue
Maybe you could reuse the dam and have it half-sunken in the canyon where there's a rollup ladder as well

[snow kite]

If you ever are thinking to add options I would use Rebalanced moons if all extra or physically moved fire exits could be disabled, those turn me off

[dense hull]

Yea was gonna say

[dense hull]

Forest keepers are a death sentence here

Same with Vow

[half lion]

Also you can just destroy the fence now anyways so lol...

[sinful jungle]

?

[dense hull]

The canyon fire exit

[sinful jungle]

wb it

[dense hull]

It's usually way too dark to see an eyeless dog or forest keeper to tell how close they are to the exit of the canyon

So you can like

die easily

Same issue with Vow where due to how linear it is, you can get fucked over easily

With the added fog

It's not as common of an issue as it is on Vow, but it's still a problem

[unique wyvern]

my only criticisms of it is the Volition main nerf and that I don't see the purpose of detritus being another amethyst old bird moon when it could explore a different premise... BUT i will give it credit cuz it's embrion if the person who made it actually cared about the quality of the moon heheh

it's v cool

[versed bone]

should I remove haul cause it being stinky and not working with atlas

[sinful jungle]

well

i can look into it mick

if you want

[dense hull]

Yeah but the junkyard fucking rocks tho

[unique wyvern]

ye it's super cool

I just wish it was a place where they manufactured another artificial enemy instead

[dense hull]

• There's only one amethyst moon compared to the four that would've been if the ice moon wasn't scrapped

[unique wyvern]

just to make it distinct I suppose

[dense hull]

I mean

[versed bone]

oh really thanks!

Tunere doesn't work either I think but I haven't tested but honestly I don't mind that since it's cold and dead lol

[sinful jungle]

@half lion you should use triplanar mapping on these metal beams

[dense hull]

Yeah

[sinful jungle]

so they dont stretch

[dense hull]

Maybe Detritus would look nicer with scrapped turrets, landmines, and spike traps

[spring trellis]

barber...

[dense hull]

but it looks nice already

So not saying much

[dense hull]

Ehh

[versed bone]

Jim-

[dense hull]

Would reveal the origin of the anomalous entities

[half lion]

mmm i can look into it

[versed bone]

Jim Jimothy Forklift

[dense hull]

Which would ruin the mystery of them to begin with

[sinful jungle]

oh my god volition lighting is so good

[versed bone]

from Code Rebirth

[spring trellis]

bold of you to assume im being completely serious

[dense hull]

I can't tell tone through letters

[snow kite]

Only other manufacturing moon to do with an enemy would be Coil-Heads

[dense hull]

Coil-heads also have a mystery behind them as well

Plus a coil-head moon is kinda an overdone trope

[sinful jungle]

wait am i misreading this

[snow kite]

I only know 1

[sinful jungle]

are you talking about the increased fog distance

in the update

[versed bone]

Also what threw me and my friend off from Distinct is just that the amethyst moon we couldn't enter and we thought we found a spot but it's just a huge whole in the fence and we got stuck behind it.

Not saying they're bad it's just that it made us both not like them due to the layout I think

I mean we got unstuck by jumping over it via a rock

[dense hull]

Ok so
You know the issue with Vow's fire exit is that it becomes practically impossible to use when a forest keeper is in it
The same goes for Rend, and it's worse since you more often than not don't chance to see them coming due to it usually being dusk by the time they're there, and this applies to eyeless dogs as well
So I have an idea, which is to move the unused dam on Rend into the canyon, and add the rollup ladder from your Vow there for you to use in case either entity is there in the dead of night/eclipse

[half lion]

So funny thing actually. Originally, Detritus was supposed to be a sapphire moon (embrion but blue) with a constant blizzard and the focus was going to be the Barber (both inside and out) with a mysterious tone and buildings similar to Volition

...But I felt that concept was both all over the place and I didn't want to add Starlancer Outside AI as a dependency so that never went far

[dense hull]

This is interesting actually

[unique wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1221642408970948620/1232094684315385856/ezgif-3-28f82d5ddd.gif

[half lion]

It had a different name too but I forgot what it was atp

[unique wyvern]

this sounds cool!!!

[dense hull]

Though Detritus should've been clay instead of sapphire maybe

[unique wyvern]

but yeah I get not wanting to introduce ai fix if you want to make super vanilla moons

[dense hull]

Clay eyeless dogs 🤑

[versed bone]

But yea @sinful jungle you said you're gonna check if Haul can work with Atlas right??

[unique wyvern]

actually would go hard for distinct enemy variety

[dense hull]

Yes

[unique wyvern]

or,,, whatever the skin pack for the moons was called

[dense hull]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-awkward-stare-meme-tiktok-gif-27027454

[sinful jungle]

uhh yeah s ure let me download and take a look i guess

[versed bone]

I mean i did test it myself but despite changing/adding to config it didn't work

[sinful jungle]

yaeh its possible they like

renamed the volume object

or something

that would cause atlas to fail to find it

[versed bone]

Ah okay makes sense -

[sinful jungle]

i think

[unique wyvern]

you could still make a barbor moon I think, but the only "look" you still haven't done is artifice and snowy and if you do snowy that's a tad too similar to harvest moons' temper... so idk

[versed bone]

Though Haul is like smoggy/fog so I think it's fine it's just weird when you fly up with jetpack

[unique wyvern]

I think making a small outside moon with a big- wait that's just titan nvm

[dense hull]

I made my Rend a barber moon... since it has the densest blizzard. With an eyeless dog weight of 25 compared to the barber's weight of 95.

You can imagine how it plays out

Perceive

[unique wyvern]

holy shite

yeah that sounds like temper on crack

[half lion]

There's also the fact that Barber's are limited to a max of 1 normally

Zeekers grr...

[sinful jungle]

what the fuck

i think they forgot to add a sky component :/

[versed bone]

LAMO

[dense hull]

I wouldn't call it bad, but it's definitely tense since the space gets tight when a barber is in the ship

[versed bone]

WOW

Haul failed me

[dense hull]

• bearing heavy weight while a parade of barbers close in on you

[snow kite]

I like Rend with outdoor Barbers but on my pack it only spawns Barbers outside

[unique wyvern]

nikki figured out how to unlock enemy caps on her moons if you wanna learn how to do that

[versed bone]

Wait I'm gonna like check Tunere cause I'm curious asf now

[sinful jungle]

that is one hd sun

[unique wyvern]

but since you're trying to work within vanilla's limitations you might not be interested in that

[dense hull]

GOD'S LIGHT

13in1

[sinful jungle]

The rapture has come for me

[unique wyvern]

didn't say it was bad, on crack just means it's insane LOL it sounds fun

[dense hull]

All these emojis yet I use like

2-3 of them

[snow kite]

Barberfixes let it go to 20

[dense hull]

Half of which are from Shity

[sinful jungle]

clay surgeon overhaul tee hee

[half lion]

I mean my newest WIP moon is going way beyond vanilla conventions

[unique wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225138028490788886/1349018922510188644/Dancin.gif

[dense hull]

I HATE WALLS!

[versed bone]

everyone must haul to the sun

[sinful jungle]

OH fuck i need to release the update for CSO

uhh

[unique wyvern]

I know which one it is teehee teehee theeehee im exicted teehee

[dense hull]

Come
Out
Side
Be
One
With
The
Walls

[sinful jungle]

ill add unique iridesence for skins later

i wanna fix the config for now

[versed bone]

wait what's CSO??

[half lion]

ClaySurgoneOverhaul

[dense hull]

I didn't even know the abominations spoke to you but ever since I discovered that it creeps me out

[unique wyvern]

why did he leave

: (

[dense hull]

because they're not even just monsters they're sapient beings such an inhuman design

[half lion]

He's gotta go to medical school

[dense hull]

Also this is a line from Hide & Seeker I'm not referring the abominations

[unique wyvern]

ah,,, good luck Bro!!!!

[dense hull]

I like your cut G'

[sinful jungle]

how tf does rebalancedmoons have more dls than gale

does it not count updates or smth

ig not it prolly pulls it from github or something

[half lion]

dls?

[unique wyvern]

downloads ig?

[sinful jungle]

downloads

yera

[half lion]

huh

odd

[sinful jungle]

abbreviation for download is dl isnt it

[unique wyvern]

idk i dont abreviate everything I type cuz I fear i'll forget how to spell the word

[sinful jungle]

oh

im lazy

[unique wyvern]

im dangerously stupid...

[half lion]

I've just never seen anyone abbreviate Downloads

But yeah its kinda odd Rebalanced has more downloads than Gale

[unique wyvern]

is it with two Bs...

[unique wyvern]

rebalanced moons has had more updates, no?

also a large chunk of people still use TS and r2

[sinful jungle]

well they shouldnt

[half lion]

abbreviate...?

yes

[sinful jungle]

that shit is prolly spyware

[versed bone]

I love spyware

[dense hull]

cough

cough

cough

cough

cough

cough

cough

cough

cough

cough

cough

cough

cough

cough

[half lion]

https://tenor.com/view/mold-mario-gif-87988871819462800

[sinful jungle]

vinh'll fix it

[unique wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276345828671225946/1349130698107256923/funny-monkey-monkey-i-dont-know.gif

i hate spelling gghhghh,hg,h,

[dense hull]

Moldy kidnapper fox ❤️

[sinful jungle]

were u guys around for the gmod cough virus of 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjI0CegY_NQ

[versed bone]

I mean

that's true

[high haven]

i won't stand for this r2 slander

[sinful jungle]

that affected every server

[dense hull]

no

I don't think

[sinful jungle]

i still dont understand how this happened

[dense hull]

Wait maybe

I just

don't play pubs on GMod

[sinful jungle]

watch the video lmao

[dense hull]

I've never did

I was referencing that cough virus though yeah

[sinful jungle]

i will never forget this

scared the shit out of me as a kid

i thought i got hacked

[half lion]

I can never go back to either of those two anymore bro im so sick of those

so slow and such a headache

[dense hull]

Same

They're still probably not good on my current hardware

[high haven]

r2 isn't that bad anymore

[dense hull]

Shit gave me 30 fps on modded Titan

[versed bone]

R2 works fine for me

[sinful jungle]

its crazy to me that thunderstore runs ads but doesnt give their creators revenue

[high haven]

r2 version 3.1.56 got it running way faster

[dense hull]

Tbf they kind of have to keep their servers afloat

Aren't they like

[sinful jungle]

so does curseforge

[dense hull]

doing this all for free

I don't use CurseForge so I have no comment on that

[sinful jungle]

modrinth?

[dense hull]

no

[sinful jungle]

ok well both of them do that

[dense hull]

I've only ever used Thunderstore, and it's been for LC, CW, WEBFISHING, and VotV

[sinful jungle]

thunderstore runs ads so they definitely get a stream of revenue

and their client has ads too

[dense hull]

Yeah, but we aren't paying for anything

[sinful jungle]

doesn't matter

they're generating money

lol

[half lion]

O, well I didn't know I made the move to gale a long time ago

[high haven]

i probably didn't notice cus i ran ublock origin since before i started using it

[dense hull]

Ublock Origin my beloved

[high haven]

at this point it comes down the preference imo, if ur comfortable with gale now i wouldn't recommend switching

[dense hull]

• TamperMonkey lets me block Tumblr's sign in popup lol

Doesn't work on Bluesky tho sadly

[half lion]

Ya I much prefer Gale's layout anyways

[dense hull]

Samw

[half lion]

But if R2 has been improved then you know what, that's good news

[high haven]

and besides the r2 update that improved it was recent

so its not exactly common knowledge yet

[snow kite]

Only disadvantage of r2 I see next to Gale is that mod updates come to it slower

I play on a laptop and never have had major performance issues, only a few stutters while editing configs or searches on r2

[high haven]

i think ebkr mentioned something about that

[versed bone]

ngl I think Atlas mod doesn't work for me

[high haven]

that gale makes more requests to TS cdn or something

[sinful jungle]

i bet ur wrong

[versed bone]

well I went to titan and it was pitch black

the skybox

[sinful jungle]

well that cant be right

let me check

[versed bone]

I think it does work now that you said that

[high haven]

it was this

[versed bone]

but idk

[high haven]

i'd believ it was TS too, cus a year ago when there were less mods on the site it loaded updates way faster

[sinful jungle]

it definitely works

are you sure its pitch black? the sky is supposed to be dark

[versed bone]

OH

I guess it probably works on fuiki's moons then

[sinful jungle]

ya the tundra sky is dark

[versed bone]

I did test both but it appears it's like black or has no skybox

[sinful jungle]

fuck i need to fix titan

enemies still get stuck on the new catwalk

i forgot to put ai nodes

[wind marlin]

love the times when Gale gets X mod update after 1 hour and then the person who is still using r2 is waiting an extra hour to get same mod update

[proper grotto]

Import mod locally looking real good now

Getting it an hour or two before anyone else

[sinful jungle]

sharing that local mod with friends:

[high haven]

i already just replace dlls when i don't wanna wait

[proper grotto]

I thought they copied over in profile codes?

[sinful jungle]

i had to practically beg gale's dev to add local mod sharing through modpack files

no

not codes

[proper grotto]

Damn

[sinful jungle]

they do in imported files tho

like

when u eexport as file instead code

[proper grotto]

To be fair my group is so inconsistent with when we play that most of the time when a new mod releases it’s hours or days before we’ll play

Bit of a shame, most of them still haven’t even played Wesley’s moons journeys

Only a couple

[high haven]

my group has a cycle

we play very frequently for a week or 2 and then we go like 3 months before we play again

literally the 2 week lethal phase

[proper grotto]

Same here. Except that frequently is 3 or 4 times in 2 weeks

When I ask on the GC if anyone’s up for doing LC in the evening or a day after, nobody flipping replies. I can just assume they don’t enjoy the game as much as I do. Can’t blame them for that.

Except this one guy who says yes consistently and his first thought when 5 of us are online is “we could do LC”

[versed bone]

me fr fr

[dense hull]

I would be up to play if u want
I need more people to play LC with anyways

Pubs are filthy

[half lion]

I miss early day pubs

[zenith dust]

yeajh

[half lion]

Like yeah there were still stinkers but I had a great time playing with randoms around the christmas update

But now it's nothing but stinkers

[zenith dust]

also more people just didn't know how to play the game

and lethal company is always more fun with noobs

[half lion]

True, though I also had some good high quota runs with experienced randoms

I used to do nothing but Rend & Dine

[dense hull]

Some of the people I met were super sweet

🥲

[half lion]

Around like v50 was when I noticed a nosedive in pub quality and now I mostly play with my group of friends

[versed bone]

Yea I agree with that

[dense hull]

Sweats

TulipDread

[half lion]

A mix of sweats and just genuine disgusting people

Everybody wants to play Artifice and never go anywhere else

I like Artifice but it gets so old so fast doing nothing but that

[versed bone]

YEA

[dense hull]

I can't host my own lobby because I have social anxiety even online 😭

[versed bone]

Also i had a weird or surpsing thing happen to me in the other server which made me not want to play with the crews or least remember why I stopped playing the crew feature

[dense hull]

Some mf joined my lobby, said hello, I said it back, and then we just stared at each other

I got so embarassed and left

[half lion]

Better experience than going into a server and finding that guy spouting biblical nonsense

[dense hull]

Feels like almost a chore keeping people entertained while ppl join

[dense hull]

I suppose

[half lion]

That's another thing, people are so quick to just leave on the first day after dying

[versed bone]

this is true

[half lion]

its like, what's the point of hosting a lobby if im gonna wait like 10 mins for the lobby to fill only for everyone to quit

[versed bone]

also I'm the guy who made a pack without mods people are like used to

like reserved slots and gambling mod

[half lion]

atp I just play with my group of friends, I just don't bother with pubs

Though it's been a bit cuz they're all usually busy

[snow kite]

Weird, when my friends were on Gale they often got updates before me on r2

[high haven]

the different hit times mentioned could play into it

maybe gale requests it at a time that TS is more likely to update its cache or something

[snow kite]

Maybe, I have not heard of something like that in the world of computers though

[wild elbow]

umm scuse my dumbassery where dis from

[dense hull]

SCP: Containment Breach

[snow kite]

A game that is surprisingly similar to this one

[sinful jungle]

i dont understand why most of the old birds keep bunching on this one spot on embrion

like a few will spawn around the map yeah but they seem to have a bias towards this one single node

[woven tiger]

what happens if you delete the node

[sinful jungle]

good question

one second

out of curiosity i tried moving it in a different spot

and they all moved to that spot accordingly

how interesting

gonna try deleting it now

ok they keep bunching up to the next node when i delete one

but i figured out why

buttery helped me understand a bit

[obtuse mortar]

what was it out of curiousity

[obtuse mortar]

oh yeah that makes sense

[sinful jungle]

yeah it just kinda sucks for me

[obtuse mortar]

old birds are weirdly the only things that when you consider spawn denial points they are actually effective

[high haven]

That's just their favorite spot

There is a really cool rock there

[sinful jungle]

i removed the ai nodes on the spawn blockers and it fixed it

I have a straight line of spawn blockers that go from main to the ship so theres always a clear view to the main building

so it makes it seem like theres less boulders, but theres actually not :3

works super well

@obtuse mortar do you know anything that would be causing them to never enter their flying phase per chance

ive been sitting here for like 10m and none of them are flying around the map

one of them is stuck on the roof

[obtuse mortar]

hmm

ill check in a second, just talking with someone about how i'd add ceiling and wall navmesh

[obtuse mortar]

    private Vector3 ChooseLandingPosition()
    {
        for (int i = Random.Range(0, Mathf.Min(15, this.allAINodes.Length)); i < this.allAINodes.Length; i++)
        {
            Transform transform = base.ChooseFarthestNodeFromPosition(base.transform.position, false, i, false, 50, false);
            if (!Physics.Raycast(transform.position, Vector3.up, 15f, StartOfRound.Instance.collidersAndRoomMaskAndDefault, QueryTriggerInteraction.Ignore))
            {
                Vector3 navMeshPosition = RoundManager.Instance.GetNavMeshPosition(transform.position, default(NavMeshHit), 10f, -353);
                if (RoundManager.Instance.GotNavMeshPositionResult)
                {
                    return navMeshPosition;
                }
            }
        }
        return Vector3.zero;
    }
``` theres this potentially

picks the furthest node from the enemy for each ai node with an offset, checks if there's something above the position, if not, picks nearby navmesh and flies to it

i'd check your navmesh area mask ig, but i assume u have it set to walkable (idk what -353 is for the navmesh area mask lol)

[sinful jungle]

yeah its walkable lol

idk

maybe my game bugged

all i did was pause the time

with imperium

[clear cradle]

If they're stuck on the roof have mesh links like on the default facility

[sinful jungle]

yeah i was just about to do that

does that make them fly off of it?

or what

do they just walk off

[clear cradle]

just so they can jump down

[sinful jungle]

can old birds do that

[clear cradle]

It needs to be walkable

that's what the vanilla has

And not Bidirectional so they can't teleport back up top

I would assume that Imperium probably fucks with them flying tbh

[sinful jungle]

u think so?

[clear cradle]

I would not be surprised. It seems to break a few things

maybe try not speeding up the game? or even try without Imperium

[sinful jungle]

alrighty

i added offmesh links too

[obtuse mortar]

are they walking around atleast?

[sinful jungle]

yea

they wander fine

[obtuse mortar]

when they finish wandering they check above them if there's any objects for 60 meters up