RebalancedMoons + Atlas

[gloomy moth]

Ehh not really.

You'd just be making Rend a little worse, but it would still be miles better than Dine.

[sharp finch]

dine's scrap is technically a tad better than rend's already

[sinful jungle]

no it isnt

[sharp finch]

it's just proportionally less better than the spawn rates are worse

[sinful jungle]

its full of two handed garbage

[sharp finch]

on average dine generates more total scrap than rend does, so if you're full clearing, you will get more returns from dine

the problem is just that full clearing rend is way more feasible

so that's kind of a wash, in the end

also in fairness if you're full clearing rend

you're probably nutcracker farming too, on the side

in which case rend does eclipse dine yeah

even considering butlers

[snow kite]

Well the issues is that Dine spawns more items, but the quality is worse so total profit ends up the same (literally like $8 average difference iirc). By swapping scrap pools you address this and this space the two moons apart

[unique wyvern]

all arguments are if you give it enough time

[sinful jungle]

i swapped dine and rend pools in this mod a long time ago

[sharp finch]

i dont super agree with just swapping their pools wholesale

[sinful jungle]

and tweaked them some

[sharp finch]

rend's scrap feels super thematic

but i think a good way to nerf it would be to increase lower quality "household items"

[sinful jungle]

oh yeah no i agree

[sharp finch]

rend doesn't spawn whoopee cushions for example

dine spawns way more candy than rend

[sinful jungle]

the scrap is super thematic i tried to maintain that somewhat

[sharp finch]

i like that dine's pool is kind of a mix of manor stuff and factory/mineshaft stuff

because that's what the interior experience is on dine

rend is almost always manor

[sinful jungle]

im ngl i ditched mineshaft on dine here too

[snow kite]

There is that will concede, a simple swap is just the easy way and demonstrates my idea. You could be more meticulous and keep the pool the same while changing spawn rates

[sinful jungle]

its like

[sharp finch]

i just think that v60 made dine's pool spawn a little too much trash

[sinful jungle]

50 weight

or something

and manor is 300

[sharp finch]

interiors are 300/50/5 on rend

300/140/7 on dine

manor/mineshaft/factory

[gloomy moth]

My version of Dine is based more so off the v40-v49 version

[sinful jungle]

yeah i reduced mineshaft to 50

it still happens a bit

but not that often

[snow kite]

I saw Dine as having lots of food items (Candy, Teeth, etc.) and Titan being the Manor/Factory hybrid

[sharp finch]

sorry i turbo fucked up typing those numbers

[sinful jungle]

titan rarely ever spawns manor its kind of a shame

but also it makes sense ig

so

[gloomy moth]

I kinda miss Dine's gimmick being trap hell with semi-lower enemy spawn rates

[snow kite]

Lower spawn rates? It always had more enemies than Rend

[sharp finch]

i dont feel like that was ever the case

yeah

even in v49 dine spawned more jesters and fewer nutcrackers than rend

only dine spawned hoarding bugs and thumpers

[snow kite]

v50 just took the spawn curve through the ceiling

[sharp finch]

moreso v60

dine was actually a worthy competitor with rend from v50-56

now it is definitely terrible

[snow kite]

True

[gloomy moth]

Idk, enemies on older Dine felt way less apparent

[snow kite]

Probably because you were preoccupied with the turrets

[sharp finch]

dine was at least accessible to ship players in ye olden days

[gloomy moth]

I love old Dine, it's my vacation home.

[sharp finch]

also i am kinda curious how dine felt in v40

[sinful jungle]

i feel like i have dine in a really good spot right now
every time i play dine just feels like a "better" rend with harder hazards, and rend isn't totally overshadowed because a. i made dine a bit more expensive and b. weathers tend to come into play a lot

[sharp finch]

before nutcrackers were added

rend used to be dominated by coilheads and jester

[snow kite]

I do like your idea though, it would be a solid rebrand imo

[sharp finch]

and dine had better loot counts + no enemies existed to farm for scrap yet

i could see a lot of "old dine enjoyers" being that way because of v40

[snow kite]

Also old fire exit

[wind marlin]

knife farm

[gloomy moth]

I played old Dine a lot on v49 tho

[sharp finch]

although titan was busted in v40 and that was relatively common knowledge

so perhaps not

[snow kite]

Yeah but Butlers are a pain and way worse than Nutcrackers. Knives are pretty meh anyway

[gloomy moth]

This screenshot will always encapsulate the Dine aesthetic for me

[sharp finch]

it's already been stated but butler farming is wayy worse than nutcracker farming

[gloomy moth]

This screenshot too because the context here was cursed

[sharp finch]

and unfortunately nutcracker farming is one of the biggest appeals of dine's main competitor

so that is unfortunate

deeply unfortunate

[snow kite]

Ye

[sharp finch]

i think the problem here is that nutcrackers feel like they were designed for the express purpose of being a dangerous encounter with a very lucrative reward

and butlers were designed for the express purpose of being unkillable

killing a butler spawns a permanent enemy that doesn't take up slots (to prevent other enemies from spawning)

nutcrackers are 5 hits and butlers are 8

nutcrackers have a clear attack pattern with a very punishing attack, butlers just kind of leech off of you in general proximity

etc.

and then the drop itself

one drops a $60 item that can instakill most enemies in close range and the other drops a really shitty shovel

[obtuse mortar]

does rend have a high chance of nutcracker infestation or whatever it was? last time i played there i remember seeing like 10+ nutcrackers keep getting spawned and no one except me survived that day 😭

[snow kite]

The fact Mask Hornets do not take up enemy power and are invincible means knife farming is hard too, ideally you wait until later in the day but on Dine that is suicide

[sharp finch]

the knife was so buggy im not convinced it was ever seriously used as a weapon in any of zeekerss' playtests

[sharp finch]

nutcracker infestations are the same chance on every planet technically

[gloomy moth]

The knife is weird because the only enemy it's useful for killing outside of butlers are nutcrackers

[sinful jungle]

i always get kicked when i opt for the knife instead of the shovel

its too risky

[sharp finch]

although because of the way infestations are programmed, hoarding bug infestations get replaced with nutcracker infestations on rend

[obtuse mortar]

icic

[sharp finch]

because rend can't spawn hoarding bugs at all

[obtuse mortar]

interesting

[sharp finch]

but also, rend just has a ton of nutcrackers regardless of if it's an infestation

[gloomy moth]

You have to wail on them while they're reloading

[obtuse mortar]

so 3 infestation days in a row is still a very low chance isnt it

[sharp finch]

rend's default spawn weight for nutcrackers is 100 (which is the maximum weight in vanilla)

and because of a bug with vanilla, that spawn weight will overflow past 100 as nutcrackers spawn

(at least i presume it's a bug)

[snow kite]

~24% base spawn rate

[wind marlin]

I love when Nutcracker Infestation on Experimentation

[sharp finch]

so the already high nutcracker chance (~25% per spawn) gets even higher as more nutcrackers spawn

[obtuse mortar]

ic

[sharp finch]

since they have a number falloff curve that increases their spawn weight as their number spawned increases

[obtuse mortar]

thats funny, usually that's for decreasing the number, he uses that to increase the weight? lol

[sharp finch]

you are lucky to see less than 2 nutcrackers in a single day

on rend

and imo 3 or 4 is more often the case

[snow kite]

“Lucky”

[obtuse mortar]

icic, maybe it wasnt just purely infestations but just very unlucky incessant nutcracker spawns

[sharp finch]

pretty much all the "social" enemies use a falloff curve to increase their weight as more of their species spawn

[obtuse mortar]

interesting

[sharp finch]

he probably introduced it to decrease weights like you said

but im pretty sure in vanilla, more enemies use it for the opposite

baboons, hoarding bugs, and nutcrackers all use it since they have group behavior

[obtuse mortar]

i dig that, makes sense too

[sharp finch]

masked also use it but that might be because zeekerss copypasted the nutcracker enemytype

[wind marlin]

What's the case for Barbers?

[sharp finch]

barbers are like the only social enemy that comes to mind that don't increase their spawn weight as more spawn

not that it matters anymore, anyway, because barbers are limited to 1 total as of v60

[wind marlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/501888505245335554/974496358906077224/getreal.gif

[snow kite]

The great Barber massacre

By the way, the moon that has me scratching my head is Embrion though, how do we make that moon gameplay relevant? We can talk about Dine and Offense all day but what about this moon?

[wind marlin]

Was just curious about before that change

[sharp finch]

anyways i am wrapping back to this after a ton of unrelated discussion

in my eyes that is the best thing that dine can be

[crude valley]

new content

[sharp finch]

i like the idea of assurance:offense and rend:dine having this relationship for their respective moon themes

one is safer and the other is dangerous but more lucrative

you are either settling for safety or pushing yourself to get ahead and that's all the choice needs to be imo

[snow kite]

Very true

[sharp finch]

also i like the exterior changes to dine

[snow kite]

What do you have in mind?

[obtuse mortar]

one day i wanna figure out why the desert moons allow you to double jump, what part of their terrain/colliders or whatever makes the player think it can jump again

[sharp finch]

ever since embrion was added i've just assumed it will eventually have an exclusive drill part that makes it essential to visit if you want to beat the game

[snow kite]

I liked the v50 terrain overhaul, I think Dine with v49 fire exit from TonightWeDine is literally the perfect Dine

[sharp finch]

zeekerss later alluded to the fact that it's ok for moons like offense/dine to be unbalanced because of what the drill parts will do for the game in the longterm

[wind marlin]

I really like Offense

[sharp finch]

so i think that makes the possibility that he intended embrion to fit that role even more likely

[snow kite]

The grand plan 👀

I hope we see it come true sometime

[sharp finch]

anyways

[sharp finch]

this seems fine to me

[wind marlin]

#nostalgia

[sharp finch]

you have to overshoot your quotas and save up a lot of safety money on your ship

so you can afford a quota or two on a really garbage moon like embrion

[sinful jungle]

guys there's a floating piece of grass on adamance here

it is the only one that uses this mesh

say hi

[wind marlin]

no there isn't

[sharp finch]

and then you stake everything on finding a drill part so you can continue towards the final objective

[sinful jungle]

say hi

please

[sharp finch]

lol that's bizarre

[snow kite]

Cruiser does shake things up though, unless the drill needs to be carried by hand for some reason Embrion will be made somewhat easy by it

[sharp finch]

i wonder if there's some sort of growth magic in that BigMachine emitter

it's like frosty's top hat

[snow kite]

The oob saga continues

[obtuse mortar]

hi

[sharp finch]

well when i mentioned exterior changes

i was more alluding to the stuff dopadream did

[snow kite]

Oh mb

[sharp finch]

adding the extra fire exits in the unused space

making the light path actually meaningful instead of just being an interesting holdover from v49

etc.

that being said, my friends and i play with tonight we dine and the v49 fire exit

when we play

and i agree it's peak

that combined with some loot changes and reverting the awful outdoor curve

make dine fun to play and we enjoy the variety

[snow kite]

That is very cool too, it is a unique vision I can get behind

I see some players say v49 Dine was better because it more atmospheric (wide open and fear of the unknown or smth), but I fail to see how anything that moon had was not also covered by Rend. The claustrophobic mountain maze with the red herring light trail is simply peak and gives it a unique identity, second to only Artifice’s exterior imo

[wind marlin]

Wasn't Dine just

Rend 2

[sharp finch]

well

i have a soft spot for v49 dine

it did definitely have an atmosphere to it

it just felt lonelier than rend

idk how to describe it

i do think v50+ dine is pretty much just better in every way possible though

i like the mountain maze

[snow kite]

I agree the longer trail and lighter blizzard were interesting, but again not enough to say it is better than the overhauled terrain

[sharp finch]

i like that traps still have a larger impact than they do on rend, but aren't spammed to the same frankly obnoxious degree as they were before

i dont like where the fire exit was moved to

that's my only real complaint with dine's redesign

[snow kite]

v60 murdered our boy 😭

[sharp finch]

outside of the balance complaints that are tired at this point

i liked the extension ladder gameplay to access the exit right next to the ship

it was cool

[snow kite]

Ye, Offense being the only moon to need it now just feels out of place

[obtuse mortar]

actually @sinful jungle you might be able to notice something since you've delved deep into the vanilla moons basically, any idea why double jumping is a thing in the desert moons? anything real different about how they're setup terrain wise maybe?

[wind marlin]

Even though you didn't need the ladder to make it up but probably would've been fixed anyway if it wasn't reworked

[sharp finch]

i will say

if it only happens on assurance and offense

i wouldnt necessarily be surprised

they use the exact same terrain model

[obtuse mortar]

that's funny, but yeah only those two

[sinful jungle]

idk but it probably wont happen on mine in the next update because ive optimized all the terrain meshes kinda heavy

[sharp finch]

im not sure what the cause is either, though

[snow kite]

I mean the Offense boulder climb has not been fixed afaik, that is definitely not intended

[sinful jungle]

im assuming its weird topology in the terrain mesh

[obtuse mortar]

might be

[sinful jungle]

thats all it really can be considering its just a big mesh collider

and if its only on those two moons

[wind marlin]

old Dine fire exit could be reached without a ladder

[sinful jungle]

but yes ive noticed that too lol

[sharp finch]

probably not anymore with the v50 physics changes

although maybe those came after he moved the fire exit

idk

he posted dine teasers only like 4 days before v50 beta released

[wind marlin]

Dine was reworked when he added the slope stuff iirc

[sharp finch]

so i feel like it was one of the last few things he did

in the grand scheme

probably

i think he teased the slope stuff way before

at least a couple weeks

[wind marlin]

shrug

[snow kite]

Offense boulder climb still being possible makes me think Dine fire exit climb is doable with v50 physics, just not a total gimme now

[gloomy moth]

The Dine climb, while possible, wasn't really worth pulling off though.

It's tricky and precise.

[snow kite]

Ye with v50

[wind marlin]

It really wasn't that hard to do though

lmao

[sinful jungle]

@sharp finch

[gloomy moth]

It was, especially if there was high tension

it's always quicker to just use a ladder slope anyway

[wind marlin]

Are we like talking about different things

because you literally just needed to hold w and spam jump

[sinful jungle]

i had to turn my audio off on the video because my friend is streaming granny extreme mode and she keeps talking about playing hide and seek or sum shit

[wind marlin]

to reach the fire exit

[snow kite]

🔥🔥🔥

[gloomy moth]

Yes but it was still precise

[sharp finch]

:o

how are they doing

[sharp finch]

@marble wagon hey look it's that thing you reported!

[sinful jungle]

day 5

she's fucked

[sharp finch]

:{

[obtuse mortar]

btw your problem with march ship door was something i could replicate in experimentation but a lot harder @sinful jungle

[sinful jungle]

its so funny how fast shei s

[wind marlin]

Precise is a strong word for needing to just find the most obvious protruding corner into one that went into the mountain

[gloomy moth]

It is time for me to depart from this convo for now though, I must draw some critters.

[sinful jungle]

idk how to fix it dog

[sharp finch]

maybe it replicates everywhere

it's just most obvious on march

idk

[obtuse mortar]

yeah dats what i mean, it's probably just something that's been everywhere

[sharp finch]

i know bees clip through the doors pretty disgustingly on march

[snow kite]

We shall give Dopadream her thread back

[sharp finch]

and i dont think i've ever seen it happen anywhere else

[snow kite]

Good talk y’all

[sharp finch]

i feel like the dog lunge at least makes it a little more likely they can break through the doors on other maps

compared to other enemies

like bees, which are constrained to navmesh

[sinful jungle]

shoutout to assTerrain.fbx

[obtuse mortar]

its kinda funny, the chances of reproducing it depend on the agent's speed when trying to go through the door, and your framerate?? if i cause a lagspike things just walk through the door

lol

[sinful jungle]

oh its over

GG

[sinful jungle]

yup

gg chat

[ornate ocean]

oh yeah that happens with unlocked doors

non-carving obstacle skill issue

NavMeshAgent is dumb about those

[sinful jungle]

how 2 fix

[obtuse mortar]

u cant

[sinful jungle]

wym u cant

[obtuse mortar]

unless u wanna edit the ship doors, which would change how enemies behave pretty drastically if u made em carve navmesh

navmeshagent is also a unity thing, i dont imagine this is a thing you can "fix"

[sinful jungle]

well i didnt mean fixing navmeshagent specificall

i just meant like

yeah

editing the ship doors to do it differently entirely

[obtuse mortar]

though the problem is definitely worse on march, might be a collider thing or just navmesh being slightly different, dunno

[obtuse mortar]

well, the reason zeekerss doesnt carve is so that enemies will still be able to target and path to you without stuttering while you're in the ship, if you carved navmesh they'd just stutter in place trying to get to you

i dont know much about navmesh creation truthfully speaking, only handling it, but maybe the navmesh from inside ship to outside ship smaller, or stuff like that would help, i noticed enemies clip in through the corners of the ship door, specifically around the right side looking outwards from inside the ship

i also dont know how obstacles entirely work, maybe u could make it bigger so it'd block more while door is closed but that'll probably be noticeable if you do it front and back rather than left right

[sinful jungle]

exp has a disabled hanging light here

[obtuse mortar]

that's odd, zeekerss has two navmesh obstacles right next to eachother for the door

maybe he's seen this problem before lol

[sinful jungle]

lol

[obtuse mortar]

i cant test anything today because i have to go run in like a minute but u can try messing with these two's colliders

[ornate ocean]

as far as I understand it, non carving obstacles are not intended to be used this way

unfortunately there isn't really a better option as far as keeping the behavior the same

for doors in the interior, what zeekerss could have maybe done is had carving obstacles plus navmesh links with extra data saying what to activate when an agent tried to cross them, but that's quite a bit more involved and requires them to write code to do navmesh link traversal for every agent in the game that should know how to open doors

as far as the ship doors go, I really doubt there's a good solution other than just preventing stutters

unless you find a way to make a maximum simulation step size in the AI update subsystem

[sharp finch]

well the thing about the ship doors is that on march specifically

you don't even need a low framerate for enemies to clip through the door

they just do

so it's like there's two separate things going on there

[sinful jungle]

update should be.. today

atlas was finished last night but i would like to release both at once

[dense hull]

https://tenor.com/view/update-is-today-gif-14731534949278669964

[wanton spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/illuminate-helldivers-helldivers-2-update-is-tomorrow-update-gif-15852260359771714726

[half lion]

https://tenor.com/view/update-is-fake-gif-7871202926367838366

[wanton spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/update-is-idk-really-gif-11611432075508357589

[snow kite]

Rebalanced Moons update situation is crazy

[zenith dust]

update tomorrow at 10pm

[sinful jungle]

This is The Greatest Update of All Time

not really its not much different

im just refactoring a lot

[glass fulcrum]

The lethal company modding situation is crazy

[unique wyvern]

I had no idea this conversation kept going on for so long jfc

first thing that comes to mind is a special apparatus that only spawns on embrion that's needed to power the drill (along w the other normal apparatice) or some shite

[unique wyvern]

taking this

[glass fulcrum]

I just kind of made a joke about moon politics and didnt read it :P

too much yapping

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1268371157317455882/1275597728566480896/hell_yeah.gif

[sinful jungle]

holy shit i love this gif

[sinful jungle]

@sharp finch

[sharp finch]

yes i saw it this morning

[sinful jungle]

banished

oh sorry lol

[sharp finch]

and it gave me the goofiest cartooniest grin

and it hasn't lost that charm still

[glass fulcrum]

man eater is the best thing to have come from lethal

[sinful jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274480540443086889/1274488648477446166/caption.gif

[glass fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-maneater-scrap-yummers-gif-4894759346989496717

[zenith dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662633775280160799/1274543229387276348/lethl.gif

I meant this one

[glass fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-maneater-goodbye-chat-chat-bye-chat-gif-6089211603982107735

the fucking babeh

[zenith dust]

not lethal company related but

https://tenor.com/view/watermelonwtf-swampwatermelon-gif-236320417705483204

[glass fulcrum]

fat fuck

[wanton spoke]

they should make it so the baby can eat scrap anytime

instead of just when they are alone

[dense hull]

no

[wanton spoke]

Yes.

https://tenor.com/view/dhmis-dont-hug-me-im-scared-tv-show-series-nose-gif-26842231

[glass fulcrum]

the fat fuck is hungry again

[dense hull]

Get Duck Guy outta here

[wanton spoke]

Don't diss Duck guy like that buddy.

[glass fulcrum]

im hijacking this mod thread btw

[sinful jungle]

i miss them

[glass fulcrum]

its now #maneater-general-1

[sinful jungle]

fine by me

i have nothing to show rn

[dense hull]

Thankfully there's two of them

One rotting one, though

[sinful jungle]

just this beautiful concept a rt

[glass fulcrum]

r ollup

[dense hull]

gyatt

[zenith dust]

fruitrollup

[sinful jungle]

i found this design for a "kiddie fire escape ladder"

and its perfect

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265153019792855050/1332125163160080505/image.png?ex=67941dbc&is=6792cc3c&hm=e1a4098f753a7d2976c00e5e44873a4714cedbdd89000895aef373781cdf6443&

im gonna put it here

probably to the right of the fire exit

[unique wyvern]

degree in yapology or smth like that

[glass fulcrum]

i have a degree in the maneater

[zenith dust]

I've said this before but I really love the artifice building rework art #1308174824505479290 message

[dense hull]

I know I’m the yap-o-tron 2000, but this should be toggleable (If you want) because it’d remove what makes Vow’s fire exit Vow’s fire exit

Vow isn’t really that hard outside of that

[sinful jungle]

🙄

you got it

[dense hull]

Lmao

Again, it’s up to you

[sinful jungle]

I lowk lied lol

its prolly gonna take me the rest of the day to implement this

[glass fulcrum]

Stupid !!!?

[sinful jungle]

me

[glass fulcrum]

This you?

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-kitty-sleepy-tired-gif-9176539601255345484

[sinful jungle]

ye

[dense hull]

How coyd you...,

pants on fire for you

[unique wyvern]

update is today

[sinful jungle]

Rebalanced Company Building

[cunning steeple]

👀

[mental breach]

Rebalanced morv

[glass fulcrum]

the mrov

[valid sparrow]

I've had this idea for a company building rework since forever where the company building almost acts like a hub for multiple other crews/sets of players to meet at, but separated by tall fencing. You can talk and interact with other crews but you can't touch or enter each other's area, however, if you truly wish, you can risk punishment by using ladders to pass scrap into each other's area to help them out, but your own company creature has to be distracted with scrap you are currently depositing

[cunning steeple]

morv tweaks

[sinful jungle]

MrovFixes

i can fix him

[mental breach]

MorvFixes

even better

[glass fulcrum]

MogFixes

[sinful jungle]

mogged

[dense hull]

masked rizz gif

the mogged

[cinder jackal]

anybody order march with a side of snow?

[sinful jungle]

hey all so uhh
im building a new computer and i was salvaging parts from my current one, but the case im using has stripped screws lmao so i have to get a new one

so i wont be able to work for a bit prolly till monday

[unique wyvern]

o good luck!!!!

[unique wyvern]

22 hundred on fucking march is crazy

I fuck w it

make march an endgame moon... yoiled

[sinful jungle]

@green terrace did you add dithering to the snow?

am confusion

wait why is there rain xd

[cinder jackal]

yes later moons are crazy...

[cinder jackal]

changed the weathers midway through

[sinful jungle]

compiling shit on a 13900k better give me good results

4090 too

[unique wyvern]

i don't know what that means :3

i think that's a good thing though so, glad it is!

[green terrace]

There's an opaque version of the snow material (currently only for testing)

[rancid gale]

I still use it cause the dithering looks fire tbh

[green terrace]

I thought it looked a bit worse, but it does have a certain retro charm 🤭

[obtuse mortar]

Voxx using voxels yet again

[dense hull]

Voxxels

[glass fulcrum]

rethinking voxels

[sinful jungle]

playing minecraft rn

[gloomy moth]

Dude seeing this screenshot makes me so sad

This game fell off so hard

[sinful jungle]

jagex is my opp

idk if you know the full story but the steam version was gonna be much more faithful but they like sabatoged the creator and broke his pc

[gloomy moth]

[sinful jungle]

it was basically ace of spades classic with new features

like vehicles

and mountable guns

it was genuinely peak and we never got it

fuck jagex bro

[gloomy moth]

Seriously yeah, I remember when it came to Steam and I was super excited but then it just became slop

It takes me back a bit, I was like 11-12 when I played AoS classic

[sinful jungle]

i played it on my shitty laptop

I think people still play it over at buildandshoot.com

but its kind of a shame we never got the newer version

makes me sadge

[gloomy moth]

Hey

we got Block N Load tho

[sinful jungle]

never bothered checking that game out

[gloomy moth]

It's F2P, that tells you all you need to know

[sinful jungle]

no computer.. but i must cook

https://tenor.com/view/nature-vegeta-rain-serious-dragon-ball-z-gif-13693133

[rancid gale]

Real

Me with non lc related things

[sinful jungle]

i have new computer and can work again

also everything is like 3x as fast

i feel so powerful

[dense hull]

I feel so sigma*

[sinful jungle]

i feel so sigma

[dense hull]

https://tenor.com/view/argemia-votv-ariral-voices-of-the-world-ariral-ariral-voice-of-the-void-gif-1635207246689548797

[sinful jungle]

No but actually like

building initial asset bundles went from like 17ish minutes to 1 and a half minutes 😭

and everything opens super fast

its awesome

[dense hull]

Yeah, I can understand the feeling of going from a toaster to a NASA pc lol

[sinful jungle]

i went from a 2080ti to a 4090

[dense hull]

Dayum

Peak

[sinful jungle]

and i9 9900k to 13900k or something

[dense hull]

You can probably run like

one Lethal Company mod with that

[dense hull]

CPU?

[sinful jungle]

i did some testing and i get like 200ish fps with all my mods

[sinful jungle]

ya

[dense hull]

Neat

[sinful jungle]

got like 70 before

[zenith dust]

I feel so sigurd

[dense hull]

Wesley's Moons in 4k 🤑

PC now sleeps with my ex-wife 😔

[cunning steeple]

i remember that feeling

it's amazing

[glass fulcrum]

I went from integrated -> 1650 -> 3080

[glass fulcrum]

Those who nose 😭

Idk if it’s still like this I’d imagine not

But 13th gen had a lot of issues with failing randomly

[sinful jungle]

not anymore with bios updates

but ye im aware lol xd

[snow kite]

Is this a real video?

Also congrats Dopadream, new machines are always fun

[zenith dust]

no

[snow kite]

😭

[sinful jungle]

kinda unfortunate but im gonna have to release a hotfix today, good news is you'll get everything ive done so far, bad news is theres nothing really interesting i have to show off as the update was work in progress and a majority of the changes ive finished are under the hood stuff

[mental breach]

I'm just looking forward to the HDRI skybox mod finally getting released

lol

[sinful jungle]

oh yeah that'll be today as well

i just need to make sure the blacklist works

[sinful jungle]

nevermind btw
having motherboard issues and my pc wont boot lol

[sharp finch]

that sucks

[sinful jungle]

ya i dmed you abt it

[proper grotto]

Do rebalanced moons support the new LLL assetbundles system?

[sinful jungle]

yes

[gloomy moth]

wait what new asset bundles system

[sinful jungle]

lll hotloads scene bundles now

based on what planet you're routed too

its kinda buggy though

like this mod has issues with it on first host, but you can just reload the lobby iirc and it fixes it

[brave lotus]

howd that go

[sinful jungle]

i have no pc rn

lol

[brave lotus]

aw

is it still planned tho?

[sinful jungle]

ye

[plush elk]

heyo! ive noticed a bug with your mod thats very strange, whenever i land on any moon with 2 or more fire exits (March for example), the fire exits are all clumped together in a group of two and one, and the ones that group (on march specifically) are always the one off to the right of the ship, and the one on the left in the dip by the main entrance

other then the fire exits, your mod is super cool!

[sinful jungle]

I didnt add any extra fire exits to march, i simply moved one, so this is just a vanilla/LLL bug

not much i can do for this mod, but when my pc is working again i plan on doing an interior mod that adds minimum fire exit distance

[plush elk]

lemme get some clips just to show you what i mean rq,

[plush elk]

ahhh, aight

[sinful jungle]

nah ik exactly what you're talking about

no need

[plush elk]

aight :3

[sinful jungle]

idk why it happens

but i wanna look into it soon

[plush elk]

well, i felt i shoulda done my due diligence

[sinful jungle]

i would understand if it was titan, because im adding extra exits there

or dine

but it seems to just be an issue with mineshaft on march

dunno why

also im p sure its inconsistent no? like sometimes it doesnt happen

[plush elk]

mineshaft?

mine does it on factory too

[sinful jungle]

oh maybe

[plush elk]

it finds the nearest avalible like- point of exit placement

[sinful jungle]

i wonder if i should be asking batby but

hes been kinda out of it lately i think

so id rather just look into it with dungen plus

[plush elk]

aight

id still go get you some clips if you'd like me to show you the factory being jank

[sinful jungle]

if you want, i believe you tho

[plush elk]

ill go get em RQ

[sinful jungle]

im also replacing the factory that generates in march with the normal factory that generates on other moons

and LLL handles adding extra fire exits

so maybe something is wrong with its algorithm

[plush elk]

observe.

[sinful jungle]

pain

[plush elk]

nearest possible point of placement, its so consistent too

[plush elk]

well, thank you for your time, i best be heading off to go please the company, have a great day!

[sinful jungle]

there would be but i have no pc rn

so no

if anyone knows any modded moons that have custom skyboxes, pls do tell

so i can add it to the default blacklist

[dense hull]

rename atlas to atlas earth

i have some land for you

[sinful jungle]

i dont wanna buy land in the metaverse

who made bozoros @dense hull

[dense hull]

@boreal crown

[sinful jungle]

matt

[dense hull]

materials list

[sinful jungle]

isnt it maintained by someone else

1 sec

nvm

@boreal crown does bozoros have a custom skybox

[boreal crown]

yes

[sinful jungle]

thank u!

great moon btw :)

[boreal crown]

thanks!

[sharp finch]

pacoito has been putting in legwork recently

maybe who you are thinking of

[sinful jungle]

ah

[muted pulsar]

what is atlas

[sinful jungle]

https://github.com/dopadream/Atlas?tab=readme-ov-file

read da readme

(also pinned messages here)

ty

[boreal crown]

whats the question regarding skyboxes

[sinful jungle]

oh nothing i was just wondering if you had one

im making a mod that overrides skyboxes for all moons based on content tags

it has a blacklist

[boreal crown]

ah gotcha

[sinful jungle]

im adding bozoros to the default blacklist since it has a custom one

[languid fiber]

I could've sworn multiple fire exits in the same room tile is possible in vanilla too, it's just only seen on March since it's the only vanilla moon with more than 1 fire

[zenith dust]

yeah

[languid fiber]

It's sucky when it happens but pretty sure that's normal

[crude valley]

It’s just how dungen handles it

[languid fiber]

I see it so often on Ganimedes it isn't funny

Makes me wonder how often it's seen on Acidir cause doesn't that map have like 6 fire exits? Or did Wes tone that down over time

[obtuse mortar]

i think ||Calist|| from wesley moons does, though there's probably quite a few wesley moons that have custom skyboxes

cant you check if a moon is using a vanilla skybox or smthn for choosing whether to override or not?

[green terrace]

Arcadia

btw maybe you could compare by texture name, I think finding every single moon with a custom skybox will be quite hard.

also fyi brightness values in the skybox texture can affect global lighting so it might change how the moon looks like (and the interior too)

[tawdry spruce]

C||alist||’s skybox is less of a skybox skybox and more like a
really
reeally
big sphere

[unique wyvern]

I mean isn't that what a skybox is

like usually it's a big sphere, no?

[wind marlin]

skysphere

skydome

[crisp mango]

skycube

[wind marlin]

skybox is literally a box despite the name

[sinful jungle]

Thats not a bad idea. but I actually need the names of said textures

As for the latter, the lighting looks exactly the same both inside and out

the same as vanilla i mean

i did some comparisons this time

[green terrace]

Hmm, I'd assume almost nobody would randomly rename the skybox texture, so it should be the same as in the patched project. Of course if someone did it would break the matching process . So maybe in this case you create a moon whitelist instead that will forcibly replace it.

[sinful jungle]

this doesnt feel ideal

[sinful jungle]

if the skybox of a map is a different main texture then it'll have a different name

unless you mean check for the material

which im already doing

iirc

[crude valley]

i fucking hate skyboxes

finding custom skyboxes is a pain because u can't access the right rendersettings iirc

[sinful jungle]

oh ok

well

tbh im not gonna bother. the blacklist is a user config

they can just add whatever moon has a funny sky

[crude valley]

when i does doing doscompany i ran into hard limitations because you can only access the current skybox of the active scene which in LC is the ship scene i believe

[sinful jungle]

my cpu fried btw xd

i have to call warranty 2morrow

[glass fulcrum]

Bruh

[sinful jungle]

thank you In Tel

[glass fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717498714259980378/1197238661138366565/Mags_20240117_1.gif

[crude valley]

i should really check if i need a bios update

[sinful jungle]

i updated my shit and undervolted and everything HAHAHA

[tawdry spruce]

didn't you like JUST get the new pc

[sinful jungle]

didnt fucking do anything

[tawdry spruce]

unless im thinking abt someone else

[sinful jungle]

13th gen cpus are crazy bro

yeah

[crude valley]

im pretty sure i have a overclocked 13th gen rn that ive been using for the past year 😭

[sinful jungle]

it lasted 1 day

[glass fulcrum]

If you can will they give a refund? You could get something else

[tawdry spruce]

that's crazy

[sinful jungle]

its an option in their warranty

[glass fulcrum]

You roll a d20 for intel cpus

[tawdry spruce]

they gotta give a refund it gave out DAY 1

[sinful jungle]

so thats my plan

[tawdry spruce]

bruh saw you were running a 20+gb unity project and said "nah im out"

[sinful jungle]

LOL

no yeah it was weird so

i went to go shower after it was working all day

and when i came back my pc was just Off

like okay

soo i assumed my motherboard was not getting vga signal (because the error light was saying this)

so i got a new motherboard

now that one isnt booting either xd

[glass fulcrum]

Those who snow:

[sinful jungle]

so i finally took it to someone and they found out my cpu is just fucked

and all my other parts are in perfect condition

Yippee

[glass fulcrum]

Real

[sinful jungle]

i hate intel sm

[glass fulcrum]

My pc has yet to fail in any capacity

Knock on wood

Had it for 2~ yr

[sinful jungle]

anyways smorez

im totally blaming you for this

you like jinxed it and shit

xddd

[tawdry spruce]

my gaming laptop carries

[glass fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/pvz-despite-all-my-rage-plants-vs-zombies-gargantuar-bruh-gif-26502957

[tawdry spruce]

had that shit since 2019

only thing i've had to replace is the fans

[sinful jungle]

jarvis, send a "its portable tho" gif

[glass fulcrum]

My gaming laptop that I used to have would overheat and crash

105-110 degrees Celsius motherfucker

[tawdry spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/oomfie-pipe-bomb-oomfie-pipe-bomb-gif-25286345

[cunning steeple]

I've got a similar thing going

I bought a new PC, everything fresh out of the box

[glass fulcrum]

My current pc runs under load 45-50 c on cpu and 60-65c gpu

[cunning steeple]

after 2 months it gave up - it was running for the whole day, I tried doing a windows update during the reboot and it never came back lol

[mental breach]

I've been hearing about 13th and 14th gen cpu's just melting 😭

[tawdry spruce]

honestly i think i should get like an external cooler for it

[cunning steeple]

the whole motherboard was fucked

[tawdry spruce]

i might be abusing my laptop

[sinful jungle]

dude my temps were fucking amazing and i was using the same aio as my old build, after reapplying the thermal paste i was getting like 40c

[cunning steeple]

even better story: I've managed to fry 3 separate HDDs in a month

[sinful jungle]

makes me so mad bruh lol

[mental breach]

Oh god this sounds like my old pc when the motherboard died

[cunning steeple]

I do not know how or why

[tawdry spruce]

having FLStudio, Unity, Roblox and R2 open all at the same time could not be good for it

[mental breach]

It died after rebooting Windows and never came back

[cunning steeple]

they just all gave up

[sinful jungle]

switch to nvme brother

ugh but its so expensive

[cunning steeple]

my old pc didn't have M2 slots

[sinful jungle]

i love nvme though

its so easy

[glass fulcrum]

People really undervalue temps
In terms of benchmarks I forgot the exact but my gpu and cpu preform a lot better than the average one scores
Simply because good cooling

[cunning steeple]

I have those now, it's such an amazing thing

[mental breach]

Part of why I don't have a NVME yet and just have Sata SSD's atm

I wanna get one eventually though

[sinful jungle]

sata ssd still gives u good loading times

so its not a bad option

[mental breach]

I have a slot on my board for one

[mental breach]

Ye

[glass fulcrum]

I got a steal on mine

[cunning steeple]

didn't optimum make that video some time ago where he made a custom-printed vents for the fans?

the performance increase was incredible

[sinful jungle]

all these fancy new motherboards have like 4+ slots for nvmes all over the board

[glass fulcrum]

Idk I just coughed $150 on cooling and I have those temps now

[sinful jungle]

and those useless thermal guard things

[cunning steeple]

fair enough

[tawdry spruce]

dude i wanted a pc to play games so badly
badly enough that i completely forgot to figure out what constituted as a gaming PC
or something that doesn't have the equivilant processing power of a PS Vita
which is how i ended up getting a chromebook as my first "gaming laptop"

[glass fulcrum]

$60 cpu cooler
$40 fans
$50 for extra spent on my card to get it better cooling

[tawdry spruce]

i regret that so badly

[glass fulcrum]

Arctic p12 5 pack for $40

INSANE value

[cunning steeple]

oh no 😭

[glass fulcrum]

Quiet fans that move air well

[tawdry spruce]

but hey at least the touch screen worked more than half the time

[crude valley]

i got really lucky during covid cuz i bought a 1080 in late 2019 and it died in like may 2020 and cuz they were so backlogged during the pandemic to quickly resolve the issue they just gave me a 2070 super

[glass fulcrum]

Not to mention Chromebooks can’t run anything even with good hardware

Because chrome OS is ass

[tawdry spruce]

dude they actually just cannot run shit

and i somehow didn't know that

[cunning steeple]

the chrome://dino game running at 17 FPS:

[glass fulcrum]

I got a asus 3080 for less than msrp during 2022 somehow

Rolled a nat20

I was not planning ona 3080

I was like yeah a 3060-3060 ti is enough

[sinful jungle]

https://a.co/d/ezVFCym

this case is goated btw

[glass fulcrum]

But when I saw that I couldn’t control myself

[sinful jungle]

my friend recommended it to me and it works so well

the fans it comes with are super quiet too

[crude valley]

i gotta get a laptop for uni in the next 7 days and im too busy trying to figure that out to do commisions that would make it easier for me to figure that out

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-1182720488497099882

[mental breach]

God to think that in 2022 Asus wasn't yet exposed for being really shitty

[glass fulcrum]

$200 more for like a 2x faster card lmfao

[glass fulcrum]

I’ve had no issues with the card so haven’t had to deal with theee BS lmao

[mental breach]

Yeah thank god lol

[glass fulcrum]

Do you have good home internet?
You can always remote access your pc at home and buy some shitty laptop

[tawdry spruce]

if it helps, i think the one i have is a 2019 hp pavilion gaming laptop

[crude valley]

if anyone here has 6 digits in their back account ur legally obligated to send me $200 aud for uni ok thank uuu

[tawdry spruce]

ofc you should get smth more modern but this baby's kept me goin for a good while

[crude valley]

probably not viable unfortunately

[glass fulcrum]

For what reasons

[mental breach]

You remind me of why I've decided to not do College or Uni, I don't wanna deal with years of student loans 😭

[crude valley]

internet on both ends is a little to flakey to rely on that plan and transport to uni is gonna be like 2 hours one way so i want to be able to do stuff on the trip aswell

[glass fulcrum]

Ah

[mental breach]

I feel this

[glass fulcrum]

If you ever need remote access thoogub the best program is…

Steam

I’m not kidding

[crude valley]

the course structure should actually give me good pockets of dedicated time to work on LC stuff though which is exciting

[glass fulcrum]

Steam is the best remote access program

It’s free and runs amazingly well

[sinful jungle]

better than parsec ?

[glass fulcrum]

Probably when I used it a bit ago it genuinely felt so smooth you couldn’t tell I was remote accessing

[tawdry spruce]

parsec gave my laptop butterflies once

i'd love to say i was kidding

[glass fulcrum]

Vs chrome Remote Desktop and other alternatives would be a laggy piece of shit

[sinful jungle]

the hell does that mean

[glass fulcrum]

Steam doesn’t let you do full pc remote access you have to prank it

[cosmic cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-butt-butt-clap-sleeping-gif-17593848

[glass fulcrum]

On the host machine set notepad as a local game
Then on the machine your accessing it from just run notepad remotely and once it loads press f11 (I think it’s f11? It’s been a bit) and then that makes a new edge tab open for Microsoft notepad support forcing you out of the notepad window

And giving you full pc access

Problem valve ?

[tawdry spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-virus-computer-team-fortress2-gif-17012348

had to reset my laptop after that

[sinful jungle]

What

[tawdry spruce]

luckily i was able to send all my stuff to my D:/ drive

so i didn't lose much

[sinful jungle]

parsec gave you the butterfly virus??? 😭

[tawdry spruce]

it kinda just happened

i got no idea why

the second i saw the microsoft xp clippy guy appear it was over for my laptop

[glass fulcrum]

Lmao

[sinful jungle]

I think someone got access to your pc lmao

[dense hull]

Least invasive way to play Rain World multiplayer:

[cunning steeple]

do the digits after decimal point count as well?

i still don't have it lol

and the conversion would kill me

[mental breach]

My guess is he got parsec from the wrong site

[sinful jungle]

Clippy and butterflies from parsec is crazy

like

that feels like someone deliberately fucking with you for lols

[woven tiger]

Archaic

[snow kite]

Catalyst

I think most of MoOV mostly if not completely have custom skyboxes too

[sturdy pumice]

@sinful jungle Do you mind pushing the update that fixes the fog density? I mentioned it a few weeks ago.

[sinful jungle]

i don't have a computer

[sharp finch]

she is currently unable to do any mod updates because her computer is out of commission

[sturdy pumice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1306423183058010112/1332996789858603111/image0.gif

What happened?

[sharp finch]

welcome to white space

[sinful jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-cute-bunny-vector-vibri-gif-17053155347572333492

cpu fried !

[sharp finch]

faulty CPU probs

[sinful jungle]

i should be able to update shit the following week

https://tenor.com/view/vib-ribbon-sleep-vibri-zzz-sleep-gif-8298578729960065130

[sturdy pumice]

Vib Ribbon, my beloved!

[sharp finch]

never heard of it

cool art though

[sturdy pumice]

It's from a game called Vib Ribbon

[sinful jungle]

xd

vibri my beloved

[sinful jungle]

its a weird little rhythm game for the ps1

you like

jump through shapes and stuff

its strange lol but charming

[dense hull]

Wtf happened

💔

[sturdy pumice]

btw, what's atlas?

[crisp mango]

skybox change mod

[crisp mango]

more details of the future mod here
#1308174824505479290 message

[snow kite]

Dopa will release it when her computer is fixed. Rn she literally cannot do anything

[glass fulcrum]

Intel happened

[dark falcon]

is it possible to just turn off offense power changes and coil head spawn rate reduction?

[sinful jungle]

probably through LLLs config

but not directly

[sinful jungle]

Intel warranty gave me full reimbursement so like a $540 refund

which is kind of crazy to me

i can get a 14900k now lol

[crude valley]

I gotta buy a laptop for uni tomorrow 😭. gonna kill my wallet so i guess i gotta find some time to crunch on potential commision stuff

needing a dedicated gpu because lethal is just fucked on igpus is adding so much to the amount i need to spend

[sinful jungle]

omg yeah i bet hdrp is so hard on the poor thing

lol

the volumetrics sobbing

[crude valley]

nah im pretty sure in most cases it flat out fails

[sinful jungle]

LOL

i wouldn't know

[crude valley]

can't handle specific hdrp shaders used in the game or something rather

[green terrace]

I have a thinkpad and it's been fine so far, haven't encountered any limitations
fps kinda sucks (~40-50) buuut its bearable

[dense hull]

You Can Think Pad™️

[sinful jungle]

bro playing on the baldi tablet hell nah

[snow kite]

I honestly wonder if the Baldi pad was based on the IBM Thinkpad laptop since it is popular for schools alongside Chromebooks

[proper grotto]

Could be worse. Someone in my group plays with 10-20fps when outside with no fog.

Makes it a nightmare to add anything slightly graphical to the modpack.

Fortunately they want to sell their current setup and buy a laptop eventually.

[wanton spoke]

i wonder what happens if i combine mapimprovements with this, do they conflict?

or do they use different scenes

[sinful jungle]

should work fine

they both work in tandem iirc

[wanton spoke]

ic, ill check that tomorrow

[crude valley]

I got a $1,700 laptop 70% off down to $950 and government is gonna give me $400 reimbursement because it’s education related

Lfggg

[brave lotus]

holy shit

[crude valley]

Crazy deal frl https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/364849796933?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=uo1f_amgtiw&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=d_t-w8g-sj-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

I wanted just any semi modern laptop with any dedicated gpu but this should do lmao

[brave lotus]

is ebay good?

when ebay comes up only thing i think about is overpriced retro stuff

this seems pretty good but is it this good often

[sinful jungle]

update today btw probably

to fix that pesky fog issue

[crude valley]

Depends on a lot of stuff but this is HP officially. The deal is goated because it’s HP’s 50% back to school sale + ebays current 20% coupon

[brave lotus]

will look into it

sounds awesome

[sinful jungle]

@crude valley hi sorry i has a question
im trying to package an animationcurve into a bundle (i need to for specific easings) so i tried making this scriptableobject in my plugin and referencing it in the bundled object, problem is, when i load the asset i get an error that the referenced script is missing. asking you bc i figured you have experience with this stuff, did i miss a step?

[crude valley]

Does the assemblyname/namespace/classname etc line up?

[sinful jungle]

umm

the classname does

my unity project is in a different repo..

so the namespace is different

[crude valley]

The workflow most people use is to have it in your mod and import the dll

so you build to proj and game

[sinful jungle]

is that my issue

in this case

[crude valley]

Yes

[sinful jungle]

that sucks

[crude valley]

you could fix it shittily by aligning namespace

[sinful jungle]

hmm

[crude valley]

It has to be like that

[sinful jungle]

i gave it the same namespace but im still getting the same thing

well it is technically different

[sinful jungle]

omfg i fixed it lol

idk if you care but i found a workaround by importing the rebalancedmoons plugin into my unity project, and then recreating the scriptable object using the plugin

[crude valley]

yeah thats what i suggested

[sinful jungle]

well then i misunderstood

[crude valley]

apologies

[sinful jungle]

nw

its working so its fine

[crude valley]

this could have been slightly more descriptive but was on the train

[sinful jungle]

oh yeah i guess i skimmed that or smth idk

it makes more sense reading it again

[sinful jungle]

i can try

im not sure if this will work

[crude valley]

btw the generic is greyed out there cuz ur specifying type in the out so vs/c# knows that has to be the type

So you can just remove the redundant generic type specification

[sinful jungle]

oh yeah

ty

do you think this might work lol, i think i remember you mentioning that theres some issues accessing the hdri stuff in code

[crude valley]

Dat little trick is why a lot of generic usage can look really clean

That should be fine

I realised my stuff is more fucked than yours because I don’t touch hdrp stuff in my usecases

[sinful jungle]

btw batby im still getting this on my mod when loading into a save already routed to a vanilla moon

are you sure i shouldnt be looking into this myself :V

been happening since the hotload update

[sharp finch]

would that be because:

1. your save file is on a vanilla moon
2. game is loaded, lethallevelloader doesnt need to load a scene because it's a vanilla level
3. you replace the scene name with one that needs to be hotloaded
4. lever pulled, scene isn't loaded

?

[sinful jungle]

i dont replace scene name i use LLL's scene selector feature but yea

if you route to another vanilla level it doesnt happen

but if you land immediately when creating a lobby without routing to another moon it happens

[sharp finch]

probably because lethallevelloader has a callback to hotload when the ship is rerouted

[sinful jungle]

i was just gonna add some hacky code to force load the bundle if a lobby is created and the current moon is a vanilla one

[sharp finch]

yeah?

[sinful jungle]

but i think batby doesnt want me to do this

but its been weeks and this is still an issue 🥹

i think ill try to experiment, and if i get good results ill try to get the o.k from batby

because this issue kinda sucks esp for debugging

[crude valley]

Iirc i refresh the hotreloading stuff on lobby enter and i thought the basegame actually did route on lobby initialisation using the saved index

Seems like I missed something tho so heard

Ideally a github issue would be nice

[sinful jungle]

oh sure

ill get a full log there too

alrighty so i guess i can push this update and release atlas then

[crude valley]

Not saying you need to for it to be fixed but at that point probably more productive to try and figure out what i’m fucking up 😛

[sinful jungle]

true

lol

[crude valley]

I get to look at stuff proper soooob

New laptop coming in tomorrow

[sinful jungle]

huge

[sharp finch]

SetTimeAndPlanetToSavedSettings calls ChangeLevel and ChangePlanet but does not call TravelToLevelEffects or alter StartOfRound.travellingToNewLevel

if that is of any significance

[crude valley]

Pretty sure i refresh on changelevel

[sharp finch]

is dopadream's stuff being set up in time for that first changelevel() call?

would need to be done in Awake(), or a prefix to Start() or SetTimeAndPlanetToSavedSettings() to happen in time

[sinful jungle]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/dopadream/Atlas/

[crude valley]

Ye it should be

It’s probably some oversight in how i handle the scene selection stuff

It’s comparatively the ugly child in this whole thing

[sinful jungle]

also

rebalancedmoons now depends on butteryblance for stat changes

i butchered the spelling butyeah

[sharp finch]

lol i havent posted the moon update yet but it will be extremely soon

sorry if you are waiting on me

[sinful jungle]

oh i kinda assumed it was already a thing tbh lol

[sharp finch]

no more than a couple hours soon, i mean

[sinful jungle]

no worries tho

wait

shit u dont add gold bars to titan do u lol

oh it doesn't matter i put a check for if its already in the list anyways

[sharp finch]

i do

but it's a separate toggle from the other scrap adjustments

if it causes issues

[snow kite]

It’s finally here!

[proper grotto]

This is actually peak

Always bothered me the skies have the same appearance

[dark falcon]

okay so im looking at the config and im kinda confused on what a scene override is

can i get a little bit of an explation please?

[sinful jungle]

replaces moon scene with a new one using LLL

means less on certain moons than it does on others

[dark falcon]

what?

[sinful jungle]

like on adamance and dine specifically it changes the terrain a bit

but others rn are just navmesh optimizations and less oob garbage

[dark falcon]

oh okay so its basically the terrain modifications that are added to moons

[sinful jungle]

yeah yeah

[dark falcon]

alright

ty

[sinful jungle]

basically just replaces the level

that gets loaded

[dark falcon]

Goes to artiface... loads experimentation 😭

[sinful jungle]

ummm im pretty sure that doesnt happen 😅

if it does though lmk LMAO

[dark falcon]

alright i'll let you know but I don't think thats gonna happen lmao 😆

[sinful jungle]

it could happen if i was stupid and swapped the names on accident lol

[dark falcon]

thats sounds like such a crazy oversight but its coding where a single mispelled word can cause computer to explode under the right circumstances

[sinful jungle]

@sharp finch has shipped a mod without a DLL on accident before

i think thats as over as a sight can get

lmaooo

[dark falcon]

broo 😭 😆

[marsh wave]

i've come with the goods

with the feedback

Atlas is truly peak

working great without LLL also

[sinful jungle]

good cuz i barely tested the vanilla fallback im gonna be honest xd

i just saw the mod didnt error

[marsh wave]

i've took some screenshots to compare over the original and it's 1000% better

but there are some little things

Offense and Assurance doesn't get dark at night

[sinful jungle]

oh wtf

weird

i definitely need to fix that

hmm

[sharp finch]

need to make sure you're testing on non-overcast weather

in vanilla, the only weather that gets dark as it should is rainy weather, i believe

[sinful jungle]

HUH??

[sharp finch]

and mild weather obviously

[sinful jungle]

oh

[marsh wave]

also on March

it was clear btw

[sinful jungle]

weird

[marsh wave]

but that seems like a easy fix

[sinful jungle]

i mean

maybe

idk what causes this

might need to beg buttery for help here lol

[marsh wave]

idk if that's something with the fog cuz my pc doesn't support volumetric material

but that aside

I thought that eclipsed would look better if it affected all the sky

a cool orange sky

[sinful jungle]

wtf

shouldnt it be doing that

lol

i will have to figure out what makes the sky tint

[marsh wave]

https://tenor.com/view/cook-cooked-cooking-gen-alpha-brainrot-gif-6334385175601103117

[mental breach]

@sinful jungle Caused a soft lock when landing

[sinful jungle]

what moon?

[mental breach]

Mazon

I had it blacklisted

But it looks like it set off a whole chainr eaction

Atlas errored, then JLL, then Diversity

[obtuse mortar]

@cunning escarp shipped a separate mod dll instead of his one time

[mental breach]

Btw first land worked fine @sinful jungle, 2nd time we went to land was when it soft locked

[obtuse mortar]

I dont know how long it would've taken to be noticed if I wasn't a curious idiot who wanted to look at the source code even though I'm really not interested

[mental breach]

So something after the first land breaks with the Blacklist ig?

[sinful jungle]

heard, thank you

[cunning escarp]

;-;

[obtuse mortar]

Still no idea how u did that