[Discontinued] LethalMin (LC Pikmin Mod)

[tiny sable]

because it happened to me

twice in a row

[marble mesa]

What happened?

[tiny sable]

(ignore the custom death audio)

[marble mesa]

XD

[formal fog]

The tesla gates are so whack. I love them despite this

[harsh umbra]

"Ooooh... That look like it hurt"
-Pikmin, probably

[round flare]

was the config for making pikmin ignore fire exits when carrying loot removed?
i liked to have pikmin only return to main

[tiny sable]

forgot

my bad

I knew I was forgetting some configs when reprogramming

[round flare]

🥀

will it be added back in future update then?

[tiny sable]

yes

[round flare]

thanks

[harsh umbra]

On the topic of making pikmin go where you want them to, I had an idea last night
An item you can buy from the store, that when activated and placed down, it will make pikmin path to said item while carrying scrap/gear

Like a beacon of sorts for them

There's been a few times where I'm out on a modded moon, and I have "Path Outside" disabled, and instead of going to the Main Entrance which is RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, they decide to go across the entire interior and deposit at a fire exit

[novel turtle]

this is already an item in pikmin 4 (sort of), with the idler's alert, good idea

could rename it to idler's beacon or something and change it so any pikmin path there maybe, set it up like a radar booster

[harsh umbra]

That's the primary inspiration, but I didn't want it to be just for idling pikmin lol

[vapid glen]

would love to see flarlic implemented; i don't know how much of a pain in the ass it would be to code but having to start with a squad size of 10 and slowly improve it via finding flarlic would be really fun

[harsh umbra]

If you have LethalConfig installed, you can set it to 10 in the in-game config for LethalMin

Then once you find (and sell) a specific item... Say like, Jar of Pickles, then you could increase your squad size by 10

It's a self-imposed limiation, but could still be fun

I myself have done something similar, started at 10 pikmin, get 10 more to my squad size with each Apparatus I sell

I'm up to 340 now

[vapid glen]

oh my gosh that sounds so fun!!!! :D ill have to try something like that for sure!!!!! :3

[formal fog]

I always feared increasing the pikmin limit but we're running into times where we'll have an entire pikmin squad go into the facility only to all be sent back with just 2 items

so I may triple it and just pray it doesn't lag people out.

[tiny sable]

Will add compat for this -> https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Beaniebe/Deepcore_Mines/

nvm they can't path into the elevator and there is a giant ladder they can use to move between floors so compat won't be needed

[marble mesa]

Hey can the cutiefly be added to the no target?

I got fucked by 10 giant butterflies

[tiny sable]

You can add them to the blacklist in the configs

[south apex]

what happened

why is there big butterflies

[marble mesa]

Cutiefly is a little butterfly that can spawn on maps and if killed a BIG butterfly will show up and attack you

[formal fog]

why pikmin break :C

[tiny sable]

?

[formal fog]

it's spamming an error about lethalmin and puts me in a black screen with fog and hud now, and something about "Soumdmanager" in between the lethalmin things.

[tiny sable]

could be poltergeist looking at the logs

[formal fog]

I tried disabling that earlier and it was still doing it o:

lemme grab the log from that as well I suppose

[tiny sable]

I need to add null checks so players won't think lethalmin is breaking the game when it's most likely a chain reaction

[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
LethalMin.HUD.GlowMobHUD.Update () (at ./Scripts/GlowPikmin/GlowMobHUD.cs:22)

// usually Happens when the Pikmin Manager is null which happens when a mod breaks the start of round script or somthing else preventing it from spawning.

[formal fog]

Oh. it does launch now but I am getting another error like 40x per frame about.. itolib?

I musth ave disabled only the poltergeist sounds before.

[glad mist]

Do you perhaps

Have a bounce shroom

[vapid glen]

• Modded Onions can now fuse with vanilla onions 👀

[round flare]

minor issue with pikmin pathing on wesleys interiors
they try to take teleporting paths on the rubber rooms but dont get teleported, so they just end up stuck inside the teleporters

[remote tree]

so uh

im here once more for once second

have this
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[marble mesa]

WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING HERE??!?!?!?!

[green imp]

New friend

[marble mesa]

:c

[tiny sable]

LethalMin Breaks LC Croud Control

Because the mod doesn't have any null checks when attempting to make enemies spawn anywhere.

So when this for loop gets to the special pikmin AI script placeholder objects that don't have an enemy type attached to them. The mod breaks the game entirely due to an error.

This can be fixed with just one line of code that removes the AI scripts on the placeholder objects

[marble mesa]

They are just silly little guys

[tiny sable]

Now that PlayZone has Updated so pikmin don't spam the elevator buttons I can add Compat for it.

[slate cape]

Hey there

I'm coming across this bug fairly regularly, which unfortunately traps the game by not allowing the ship to depart from a moon fully and the round to end

Based on the error I assume one or multiple Pikmin are trying to drop an item that got despawned before they could drop it. However they indefinitely attempt to drop it which doesn't allow the round to end

In general I've noticed that some modded scrap cannot be picked up by the Pikmin, which I'm not sure is fixable from your end though

[tiny sable]

Could you provide your mod pack code?

[slate cape]

Of course, this is the code
01986c90-c49c-7be7-bf49-067c76e1224f

I disabled LethalMin but naturally it was on when the error occured

I have noticed that the additional scrap from HSRScrapLIB could not be picked up by the Pikmin at all. Not sure why exactly, but it may be a lead

[tiny sable]

alright

[tiny sable]

I can replicate the error spam, and when I test it in a mod pack that just has LethalMin the bug does not occur so it could be caused by another mod.

[slate cape]

I see, sort of to be expected, thank you
Later I might try to rip the game into Unity alongside all the mods and see what exactly is going on when this error occurs

[tiny sable]

It seems to only happen with enemy bodies, because this value is getting set to -1.

basically tricking the game into thinking that there is enough pikmin on the item when there is no pikmin on the item. So the mod is constalty trying to call GrabPikminItem() but because there is no pikmin on the item and there can't be pikmin on the item that error is spammed

[slate cape]

I see
Do you have an immediate idea what might cause this?

As in, why that value gets set to -1

[tiny sable]

The CarryStrengthNeeded is -1 by default. However that shouldn't be an issue as when LethalMin converts a dead body to an item it should set the carry strength.

The oddest part is that I made sure that it was impossible for the carry strength calculation to output a value less than 1.

So it might be a mod that messes with item properties

Because for some reason, the item properties on the dead body is null.

[slate cape]

Could it also be a mod that affects enemy despawning behavior?

[tiny sable]

Not sure, as the issue just happens when a pikmin attempts to grab a dead masked, even when it's not despawning

it could also happen with other enemies but I haven't tested it

It only seems to only happen with maskeds, other dead enemies don't cause the issue

[slate cape]

I see, alright
I appreciate you looking into it, and the mod itself of course

[marble mesa]

Pikmin falls

[main blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/774257965283803136/1401348240275669012/SPOILER_ricktrolling.gif

[south apex]

Had that happen way too much times

[remote tree]

Wait no this is better

[quaint echo]

Hey look dats my art! :D

[marble mesa]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078067210293088257/1402144555616174130/My_Fluffy_Boy.gif

[dense turret]

this is what happens when you get shot by a shotgun

[remote tree]

Looks like an interesting mechanic, cant wait

[marble mesa]

WHAT IN GODS NAME????

Thats sick

[hexed olive]

thought this was wordle

[iron sky]

woaaaaah

WAIT

I JUST GOT A KILLER IDEA

WHAT IF

Right?

instead of just the regular interior or whatever

You can do that

ALONGSIDES

These things which would teleport you to unique Moon exclusive locations with look as well!!

And these transporters would be located at different areas of the moons almost like fire exits except those still exist too

[marble mesa]

Water wraith cannot spawn on oxyde right?

[tiny sable]

oxyde?

[marble mesa]

Company moon added by code rebirth

Its a risk reward type moon with other monsters spawning on it

[tiny sable]

Oh that, unless the water wraith's moon spawn chance is set to 0 on that moon (not by default) then it can still spawn there

[formal fog]

do pikmin still struggle with wesleys interiors?

[tiny sable]

Probably, but haven't played wesleys interiors in a while

[formal fog]

Hmmm, apparently Pawsy found several lethalmin errors, don't know if its incompats or what

[signal grotto]

didn’t Notezy want to implement a null check since lethalmin could spam errors from a different mod breaking something?

[tiny sable]

I did add null checks to the parts of the code that were error spamming when a chain reaction happened.
But it seems like this error spam is from something else.

There error is coming from this line of code

Since ItemScript is referenced in an earlier line of code I can assume that this error is caused by an item not having itemProperties.

I forgot to add a check to make sure an item has item properties before adding the PikminItem script to it, will fix.

[glad mist]

Compat with lethalmin?

[hexed olive]

https://tenor.com/view/jermbo-regretevator-roblox-cat-regretevator-jermbo-gif-3653847577542959887

[tiny sable]

Yep, Pikmin aren't able to grab items that aren't in the same dimension that their leader is in.

[marble mesa]

I cannot wait to test that moon it looks SICK AS HELL

[gray cedar]

For the End of Day Countdown, could there be a way to change the size & placement of the hud element? Was gonna do something like...

...this, this is just a mock-up since I have the LCBetterClock Mod installed and wanted to move the element moreso up there

[tiny sable]

Sure, I need to update End of Day Countdown again to tweak the countdown color anyways because I made it a bit too light orange.

[gray cedar]

Hmm... wonder if the color could be adjustable too, like via hex colors

If not, that's alright

[tiny sable]

The color can be configed, but by using (255,255,255,255) format

[gray cedar]

ah

RGB values

[tiny sable]

*RGBA

[gray cedar]

I guess the other number is transparency?

Oh, A for Alpha

[tiny sable]

yep

[gray cedar]

Alrighty

[frail mirage]

Hey is there a list of modded moons compatible with lethalmin?

I would like some more moons that work with the pikmin's pathing but I don't wanna like download 100 mods at once with a modpack

[iron sky]

I feel like

they should work by default?

The Note man will decide

omg hes here

https://tenor.com/view/bfdi-bagged-teams-tpot-gif-4896350805827632574

[tiny sable]

Some of Weasly's Moons and Most of Generic Moons aren't compatible because the pikmin are unable to get onto the ship. Or cannot get from an exit back to the ship

Moons of the otherwordly
and Wild moons work well with pikmin

[gray cedar]

Yea, I think I ran into that with some of Wesley's Interiors, since you mentioned it

One such interior is... I think this rocky area which floods when you take the apparatus

[remote tree]

are we gonna get whistle styles?

[dense turret]

atlantean citadel

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

This is new.

After adding Parralax

I can't seem to revive either...

[tiny sable]

dym seem to revive

[glad mist]

?

[glad mist]

I use emergency dice

To revive

And I can't seem to revive ANYONE

[tiny sable]

This shouldn't effect anything with revives

[glad mist]

Weird...

[tiny sable]

-# fat figered enter

[frail mirage]

Thank you

[glad mist]

I do have this

[tiny sable]

Again, This shouldn't effect anything with revives

[novel turtle]

just to let you know, while testing some off-mesh links i added to my moons, i noticed a bug

from what i can tell, their body kind of desyncs after going through an offmesh link and they ignore water

pikmin definitely do register my water as water normally

[novel turtle]

also something weird with them being able to cancel hazard effects like fire and continue carrying anyways

[vapid glen]

it might be outside the scope of this mod, but i'd love if there was some way to keep the autopilot from leaving while the pikmin are trying to revive me at the onion (i play solo, so i never get the chance to get revived before it does)

[tiny sable]

I think I'll be able to do that

[gray cedar]

Debug Show will have the countdown be visible regardless, correct?

@tiny sable

[tiny sable]

The animation will not play if debug show is on, but yes.

[gray cedar]

Thank you for adding the config options

[remote tree]

Hey note

We want peakmin

(I alr maked the suggestion threaded https://discord.com/channels/1363179626435707082/1405653262795018322)

[tiny sable]

I can't make PeakMin for 2 reasons,
1: I dislike Peak
2: The game is made with Photon which is a multiplayer service I'm unfamiliar with.

[remote tree]

Aw dang it

Why don u likes peak btw, it is, quite literwally, peak

[tiny sable]

physics

[remote tree]

Oh

Same as repost

I see

[signal grotto]

how does merging modded onions and vanilla onions work? is it automatically integrated or do modders have to update their lethalmin mods?

[tiny sable]

modders have to update their lethalmin mods

[glad mist]

Note

Two things

One how do I add the DLL to scrap I made? Is it just drag and drop?

Two. Can I add the ability to make some scrap be able to be sacrificed

3. Secret question. Will this cause any errors?

[tiny sable]

What are you using to make scrap? Lethal Level Loader?

[tiny sable]

Are you refering to making items being able to be brought to the onion?

[glad mist]

Yes...

[glad mist]

Yes...

[tiny sable]

What are you refering to when you say "The DLL"

[glad mist]

Usually when I wanna add compatibility I throw the DLL into the unity project it just works out the box is there some specific setup?

[tiny sable]

If you want your custom scrap to be taken to the onion, simply import the LethalMinLibrary.dll file into your project.
Then, add the Pikmin Item Settings Component to your scrap item and check "Can Produce Sprots"

@glad mist

[glad mist]

Thanks

[marble mesa]

WHAT

IM IN SPACE

HE FOLLOWED ME INTO SPACE

HE THEN FOLLOWED ME BACK TO A MOON XD

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-breadbug-luigi's-mansion-cry-crying-gif-13935770422767605979

Breadmin seeing all the Pikmin die:

[quaint echo]

Best we can give ya is this piece of art I made about a month ago

[south apex]

my leg hurts

[remote tree]

🔥

[remote tree]

Yeah i’d say

[frail mirage]

sorry to ask again but is there a list for interiors that are safe with the lethalmin mod?

[tiny sable]

not a list but I recommed avoiding Wesleys Interiors and Tolian Interiors with lethalmin

[frail mirage]

Got ya

[marble mesa]

Question tho what would the pikmin even do in peak?

[quaint echo]

they'd be moral support

[vapid glen]

this would probably be a huge pain in the ass but i would love to see a template pikmin included with lethalmin library, working on making a custom pikmin type and it's a bit overwhelming (but that might just be due to my lack of experience with unity/modeling)

[tiny sable]

There should be a template pikmin type

[vapid glen]

i don't see it? but i could be missing something/have installed something wrong

[tiny sable]

Try updating the LethalMinLibrary Unity package

Unless you didn't install it

[vapid glen]

aw beans, that might do it! i added it to dependencies but i didn't do anything else with it

[tiny sable]

Altertively instead of installing the LethalMinLibrary package, you could just import this example package

It's recommended to install the LethalMinLibrary package via git url if your project is only going to be used for creating the pikmin type.
But since it looks like you are using the project patcher, I recommend just installing the example package.

[vapid glen]

!!!! oh awesome, thank you so much!!! :D

[vapid glen]

is it okay if i use the template pikmin model as a base (with credit obviously)? i'm quickly learning i'm not a 3d modeler by any stretch of the word X3

[tiny sable]

sure

[novel turtle]

don't worry the bar for entry is super duper high imo, blender and/or maya feel like they're in a different language or something when you first start

A lot of people start with simple recolors for that reason and pikmin fits pretty well for that tbh

[real jay]

Does the lethalmin mod require something other than the dependencies listed to work? I'm getting the infinite seed glitch when I try to run it

[tiny sable]

Nope, it should only need LethalLib

and LethalLib's dependences

[vapid glen]

thinking about the pikmin 3 prerelease pikmin again

[novel turtle]

the scrunglos

[dense turret]

what interior is that

[main blade]

Me

[marble mesa]

Dam

[dense turret]

no it isn't

[marble mesa]

Looks like it

[dense turret]

not really

[ripe ruin]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/MrKixcat/Junkrooms never been to it myself but i think its this

i recall someone posting a few screenshots of it

[main blade]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-orca-chiikawa-brainrot-skibidi-gif-16170392763316858396

[tiny sable]

ye

[vapid glen]

sorry to bother, but i have a few questions:

is there a way to only allow certain onions to spawn on certain moons, or moons with certain tags? (eg. if i had an amethyst pikmin, could i set its onion to only spawn on moons with the amethyst tag?)

also, is there a way to make an onion purchasable? (eg. as part of my modpack i have a pikmin type that's extremely weak and terrible at everything, but i'd like it to be buyable for 30 at the start of the game)

[tiny sable]

As of now, no to both

[vapid glen]

aw dang, ty anyway! was workin on a fancy way of doing pikmin progression but i'll put it on the backburner for now :3

[novel turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[main blade]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-minor-spelling-mistake-i-win-minor-spelling-mistake-i-win-meme-shadow-the-hedgehog-shadow-gif-26138585

[marble mesa]

Enemy bodies on the ship cannot be picked up by the pikmin, and maybe when bodies get taken by the onion if say a giant body gets absorbed then while its creating sprouts another corpse gets absorbed it will override the giants sprout count

[south apex]

The first one is known but idk why it happens, and why would the second one be a good idea?

[marble mesa]

Thats not an idea it something i THINK happens

I think its been happening

[marble mesa]

Yummy

[eternal pewter]

my god we NEED pikmin LOL

[south apex]

Does this mod still work with v73?

[tiny sable]

No

[south apex]

I knew it

[tiny sable]

V73 Onion

[south apex]

this mod has too much code almost every update breaks it

[tiny sable]

tbh V73 broke almost every large LC mod

[south apex]

I wonder what’s knew in the update anyways

oh damn

[south apex]

where’d the onion even go

How does that even happen

[tiny sable]

All networking code broke and onions use an RPC to initalize their models so I assume the onion couldn't properly initialize it's model when spawning in.

[south apex]

sad

[tiny sable]

The V73 fix is almost done I just gotta fix the RPC patches not working

[tiny sable]

Okay there are a lot more bugs (unrelated to V73) that I realized should have been fixed ages ago, so the fix will be comeing a bit later

[remote tree]

V73?

[tiny sable]

The latest LC update that broke a bunch of mods (including LethalMin)

[remote tree]

LC UPDATED? Hell yeah

Also

How many mods

[tiny sable]

Almost Any mod that uses networking, Lethal Level Loader for example

[remote tree]

Oof

Also just checked the patchnotes and i overreacted

But still lc main focus for zeekers in 18 days

[tiny sable]

This also means old unmaintained mods that were working fine might break and won't be fixed until someone else unofficially updates it

[remote tree]

Oof

[tiny sable]

I don't think any of my other mods need to be recompiled since they are client-side mods that don't use networking.

Aside from my moons, which I have to wait until Lethal Level Loader gets fixed

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-gif-4629939528847648729

[tiny sable]

Re-writing the way pikmin route with items so hopefully there will be no more pathing issues in the next update

[glad mist]

Win

[tiny sable]

Fixed Charging

[quaint echo]

Me and the boys escaping home depo after taking a
diabolical dump in each of the display toilets

[tiny sable]

XD

[novel turtle]

THANK YOU

i did not know that you can put QUANTITIES

into imperium (for spawning things)

i will be doing that for future testing lmfao

also nice responsiveness for the charging update

[tiny sable]

well it kinda says it right there when you open the spawn menu lol

[novel turtle]

ermmm....

i have no excuse for this

😔

or more appropriately

[tiny sable]

This happened while testing the maneater with the new routing system (don't know what happened with the video quality)

the bugged happened because I didn't correctly set the pikmin and the man eater as being inside when going back inside

[tiny sable]

I've made it so pikmin now take non-scrap items to the ship instead of just entirely ignoring them resulting in scenarios like this.
Does this make the pikmin too autonomous?

[novel turtle]

idk how you get the most hilarious clips on earth while testing

[novel turtle]

i'd say this definitely makes them very autonomous, however, the pikmin themselves have been fairly autonomous since pikmin 3 when they'd go back and forth from berries and grapes

so i'd say it's not out of line for the series and is pretty cool

you could add a toggle for it, just in case people don't like it for some reason

[glad mist]

Will there be galetry compatibility

[tiny sable]

Yes

need to figure out how the navmesh is set up there first though

because some people say that pikmin cannot move there, while others say the can, and I haven't tested it yet.

[glad mist]

They really can't cause imma be so real I think the navmesh is under the floor of that moon

[eternal pewter]

the man eaters conductive!?

[tiny sable]

Apparently

[eternal pewter]

insane

[tiny sable]

probably because zeekees copied and pasted the data from the large axel (or cog in the game files) for the maneater

[eternal pewter]

oh

damn

[glad mist]

That's new

[tiny sable]

The NavMesh for is normal, but the issue is pikmin try to path directly onto the counter which does not have a navmesh on it.

[tiny sable]

got it working

[main blade]

Happy Thanksgiving

[glad mist]

W

[glad mist]

WIN

[main blade]

Dinner

[quaint echo]

Its been like that ever since i first installed it

[novel turtle]

in testing today, i had a group of like 25 bulbmin and dismissed them, and it sounded like a mixed group of pikmin. i went into pikmin 2 to check, and bulbmin do have a distinct dismiss sound from the other pikmin types that i think is not used in lethalmin currently

[glad mist]

They don't have in general I don't think

[novel turtle]

if by in general you mean they don't have the sound in pikmin 2, they definitely do

[glad mist]

Oh

I didn't know that

WHY DO YOU HAVE 96 SPICY JUICE

[novel turtle]

oh that's my save file for messing around

i used ar codes on it

[tiny sable]

It's hard for me to exactly tell which sound is which because pikmin 2's sound aren't nammed after dumping. What makes it worse is that the bulbmin's voicelines are not the same pitch as they are in the game

The onion doesn't land on Deadlock

probably because it doesn't have outside AI nodes, or it has one that's just out of bounds

[glad mist]

Are they lower?

[cold wedge]

I think it’d be cool if certain pikmin types were locked to certain moons to incentivize going to different moons. You could theme them around the moons they’re found on, like having red pikmin in the arid moons and ice pikmin in the snowy ones.

[tiny sable]

I might update the spawning system to spawn less wild/sprouts the more pikmin/onions you have. As there isn't a need for wild pikmin in mid/late game

I'm planning on adding spawning configs per-moon/weather aswell

[novel turtle]

yeahh it's a little annoying, it took me a long time to sort through the game's assets

[novel turtle]

i thiiiiink it's this sound? it's the one that fits best from the range of bulbmin sounds i got

[tardy fern]

Hiya, my friends and I were using Lethalmin last night and noticed each onion was invisible and when we got outside there was no onion entity (?) to return and pull pikmin from

Was the ONLY issue we saw

[tiny sable]

You on the latest version?

[tardy fern]

Yeah, we had updated last night

The only unupdated mod I have here is DawnLib cause an update came out between midnight of last night and now

[tiny sable]

could you provide a modpack code?

[tardy fern]

Will do o7

0199ffc8-5b9a-4d69-144e-be2e8d084829

For the most part we played on Vanilla moons and hadn’t gotten into Wesley’s Moons content yet

Unrelated question, but does LethalMin come with its own clock?

Often when we played both the P4 clock and the classic clock overlayed over each other till I reloaded the config for pikmin styled clock every moon

[tardy fern]

Phone pic cause I’m conserving cpu rn

[tiny sable]

does this happen for all players?
does this happen in solo?

[tardy fern]

Just recreated it solo, was happening last night in a full lobby as well for everyone, invis for all and did not appear for all

I’m gonna remove needy cats it’s just broken broken

[tiny sable]

So Onions usually go invisible when their start function breaks, preventing their model from initializing and working properly in general.

Looking at the log from starting a round it seems some other mod is breaking the onion's start function

Horn Moan?

[tardy fern]

Oh my god

it’s a sound replacement mod

yeah lemme remove it and see if it fixes

OH!

I was using the one that was last updated in 2023

The one from MetalPipeSFX I believe

Strange, there’s another one with the same name and desc

Either way I removed it to see if it functions, I’ll test the save where I already collected an onion and start a new one where I haven’t yet

[tardy fern]

Worked

That’s crazy

[tardy fern]

new issue, same modpack

prevents us from leavbing

[tiny sable]

.log file plz

[tardy fern]

kk

[tardy fern]

seems I'm back

Stack trace:
GrabbableObject.FallWithCurve () (at <83220f1fc337491eba19b3618ec61339>:IL_00A0)
(wrapper dynamic-method) GrabbableObject.DMD<GrabbableObject::Update>(GrabbableObject)

[Info   : LethalMin] EnemyItemNode_Masked is grabbing an item on local client
[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
LethalMin.PikminItem.GrabPikminItemServerRpc () (at ./Scripts/PikminItem.cs:323)
LethalMin.PikminItem.__rpc_handler_2246398377 (Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour target, Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader reader, Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams rpcParams) (at <b615471306cf4b10b39e6b8a4eaa5818>:IL_007B)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers.Handle (Unity.Netcode.NetworkContext& context, Unity.Netcode.RpcMetadata& metadata, Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader& payload, Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams& rpcParams) (at <d961951ab868489cbec1aa9b2480688f>:IL_00A6)
Rethrow as Exception: Unhandled RPC exception!
UnityEngine.Debug:LogException(Exception)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers:Handle(NetworkContext&, RpcMetadata&, FastBufferReader&, __RpcParams&)
Unity.Netcode.ServerRpcMessage:Handle(NetworkContext&)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour:__endSendServerRpc(FastBufferWriter&, UInt32, ServerRpcParams, RpcDelivery)
LethalMin.PikminItem:GrabPikminItemServerRpc() (at ./Scripts/PikminItem.cs:322)
LethalMin.PikminItem:Update() (at ./Scripts/PikminItem.cs:987)

[tardy fern]

Happens when launching from a planet

Right before fully leaving it

And spams the error

Preventing me from saving

[tardy fern]

This was in single player

Though I saw it when I was playing with my friends in multi as well

[tardy fern]

Pathfinding in LCOffice seems to be iffy as well

[tardy fern]

Tried on a new modpack, the masked issue persists when launching from a moon, preventing the day from moving forward

[tardy fern]

AHA

it seems to be an issue with mirage

when masked hold items

[tiny sable]

I had to re-upload LethalMin's repository because I accidently deleted the main branch :D

[main blade]

https://tenor.com/view/essica-monthly-turtle-2nd-gif-18409823096696249781

[south apex]

What’s a repository and branch

[novel turtle]

A repository's the public (or sometimes private) upload of the codebase for the mod, in this case (and most cases) on github. The main branch is basically the central current stable version

[signal grotto]

I lost all my Ices but at least it looked cool.

[frail mirage]

I turned off taking items to the onion but the pikmin still take items to the onion

is there a fix for this?

[tiny sable]

Sorry I forgot to implement that when redoing the routing system for 1.0.23, will fix soon.

[frail mirage]

Thank you

[frail mirage]

when do you think the fix will be ready?

[frail mirage]

Thunderstore says the mod don't exist

also I can't update it

Yeah I can't update it

oh there we go

OH yeah and the onions persist between game saves and sessions

[south apex]

You need to wait from 30 minutes to 2 hours for any modding website to update when the mod is released

[marble mesa]

is there a setting to change the onions land position as it keeps landing in the ship with wider ship active

[south apex]

no I don't think so

[quaint echo]

WHY DOESN'T YOUR ONION SPAWN ON REND IT'S A PAID MOON HMGGGNFGNGGNFFG
AAAAAAAARGGGGHFHHHH

[marble mesa]

Hurt my boi again we are gunna have issues the white pikmin are my bois and must be treated with respect

[quaint echo]

lol no

[marble mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-miku-hatsune-miku-angry-not-happy-gif-10473291184535189680

[quaint echo]

I am literally the reason why white Pikmin are as good as they are and can just as easily reverse that.

jk I wouldn't do that

[sour lake]

since the rework has there been any new features

[novel turtle]

the creator seems to be taking a break and/or have left after canceling work on their moons mod.

from the looks of commits, there have been no updates, and understandably so. canceling a large personal project like that is probably very discouraging

[quaint echo]

Plenty

[quaint echo]

He's not canceling nor stopping development on lethalmin, don't worry.

[sour lake]

So what's been added?

[quaint echo]

Pluckaphone, pikmin signal, god knows how many compatibilities with other mods, reworked interactions, glow pikmin, ice pikmin, a whole config for literally everything pikmin related, smarter pikmin ai, and more i cant name off the top of my head

Oh and winged pikmin

The reworks been out since like June, you living under a rock? Lol

[quaint echo]

See, he's fine.

[novel turtle]

Looks like I made some hasty assumptions, my bad

[marble mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-dance-red-pikmin-yellow-pikmin-blue-pikmin-gif-10417518233218729053

[remote tree]

Is bucket’s current pfp from DOD?

Btw note, is it difficult to make an enemies animations freeze when its frozen, i believe thats how it works in acual pikmin and doesnt seem that difficult

But idk that much about code

[quaint echo]

ye

[dry hedge]

LethalMin keeps making any and all items teleport to a specific spot out side the ship.

this is the error message

Stack trace:
LethalMin.Patches.GrabbableObjectPatch.CreatePikminItemOnGrabbableObject (GrabbableObject __instance, System.Boolean OverrideGrabableChecks, System.Boolean AddDirectlyToObject) (at ./Patches/GrabbableObjectPatch.cs:87)
LethalMin.Patches.GrabbableObjectPatch.StartPatch (GrabbableObject __instance) (at ./Patches/GrabbableObjectPatch.cs:21)
(wrapper dynamic-method) GrabbableObject.DMD<GrabbableObject::Start>(GrabbableObject)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<GrabbableObject::Start>?-389214866(GrabbableObject)
Dusk.Internal.EntityReplacementRegistrationPatch.ReplaceGrabbableObject (On.GrabbableObject+orig_Start orig, GrabbableObject self) (at ./src/Internal/Patches/EntityReplacementRegistrationPatch.cs:312)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<GrabbableObject::Start>?2312368(GrabbableObject)
DiversityRemastered.Items.FloppyDisk.Start () (at <fad1116f15204d3d8a42f4c34ec158c2>:IL_0001)```

This is the modpack code:
019b3f87-9a6f-357d-f30a-36dad1634bdc

I love lethalmin, but Im not sure why this keeps happening. It was fine last time I played, but now its broken. I haven't added anything new I'm pretty sure.

It would be nice to be able to play lethalmin again though

[quaint echo]

Im not note, nor am I on pc rn, but I can try to help. Try uninstalling any mods that change how items work, and if you have any mods that changes how the ship works, throw them out.

[dry hedge]

It's something with sellbodiesfixed

I dont know what exactly, but it's fixed as soon as that's removed

I think the compat broke somehow

[quaint echo]

Ill see if I can talk with note about fixing that

[remote tree]

Maybe its something to do with the “compat” note did that pikmin carry sellbodiesfixed corpses to the onion instead of the ship (since its technically a scrap)

Just a guess

Wait i’m meant to be the guy that was always on watch on updates for this mod and no longer exists since i think its only bug fixes now

Actually while I exist

Note

Can the default pikmin get decor from pikmin bloom for holiday seasons?

[quaint echo]

Youd be surprised how many times ive asked him that lol

Never got a clear answer

[remote tree]

Oh darn

[quaint echo]

im going to kill you

[south apex]

[novel turtle]

[quaint echo]

cheers to a new year of meeting quotas with our feral baby carrots

[dry hedge]

CHEERS

[dusky geyser]

i might just be dumb and cant figure it out in the configs but is there a way to change how many pikmin it takes to carry something?

[quaint echo]

Technically yes, there should be a config that allows you to switch to the old carrying formula.

[dusky geyser]

that doesnt seem like it'd let me change anything myself tho. I also cant find anywhere how they calculate that, now or beta

[quaint echo]

Yeah that seems like more of a "changing the mods code itself" thing rather than a config thing. I can ask note himself if there is a way to change said code, and then I'll get back to you.

[dusky geyser]

its not the biggest deal. it was just odd to me that it was gonna take 17 pikmin to carry the lil glass bottle but only 7 to carry the giant axel.

[quaint echo]

17 to carry a flask??

Are your Pikmin malnourished????

[dusky geyser]

-shrug-

[novel turtle]

i always thought it calculated automatically based on scrap weight (unless set by a mod creator using one of the LethalminLib scripts), that would make the most sense to me

[quaint echo]

It does (with some exceptions)

[molten widget]

There used to be a setting where you could subtract the amount of pikmin needed.

When beta calculation was still the only one

(Subtract carry amount) So if you put -1, it would subtract 1 from something that would cost 4 to carry making it 3

[dusky geyser]

I have pikmin on my ship with me as we leave but it still "leaves them behind"

[tiny sable]

Did you have an onion for that type?

[dusky geyser]

it clearly says on the mod page that as long as they are near the ship they will follow me to the next round

[quaint echo]

Thats IF they have the onion ya goof

[dusky geyser]

no

[tiny sable]

yes?

[dusky geyser]

it just says "If any of the following conditions are met"

[quaint echo]

Okay note, change the mod description to something easier to understand.

[tiny sable]

BRO

IT's UNDER THE "ONIONs" SECION

unless that's an outdated version of the mod description

[dusky geyser]

thats great? and the part that I linked is a specific reference to the exact conditions that are supposed to preserve your pikmin

If they are near or in the ship, or If they are near their specific onion, or If they are in their specific onion

[quaint echo]

With all due respect sir, we are only trying to help, theres no need to get snappy with us. You are arguing with the people who made the mod about the mods mechanics.

Do you know how ridiculous this is?

If the pikmin are in the ship, AND you have their onion: upon takeoff they will leave the ship and go to their onion.

[dusky geyser]

yes, obviously but the point im making is that its not "obviously on the mod page"

[quaint echo]

forgive us for not updating the mod page or making it simpler to read.

Its should just be common knowledge bro

[dusky geyser]

says who?

[molten widget]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-abe-simpson-nope-woops-walk-out-gif-5122624

[quaint echo]

Says the dude who helped make the damn mod.

Now please stop giving us attitude

Ykw fine just for you we will put it on the mod page, happy?

[tiny sable]

I thought it would be common since for readers when reading the start of the Onions Section that clearly says "To preserve Pikmin between rounds, you must acquire each Pikmin type's Onion." and later on when it says "Pikmin will be saved at the end of a round if any of the following conditions are met:" it would be understood the conditions only apply if the onion of the pikmin's type as been acquired

[quaint echo]

Now go find something better to do than arguing about a lethal company mod

[molten widget]

Yeah.. don't bother changing the mod page, it's just a reading problem

[dusky geyser]

dude

[quaint echo]

THANK YOU

[dusky geyser]

Sorry, no, that isnt obvious, and its not a reading problem

[quaint echo]

problem solved. We told you what was wrong, its over.

[molten widget]

Blah blah blah, GET OUT!

[dusky geyser]

no?

[quaint echo]

yes

We did

[molten widget]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-angry-speaking-head-tuco-squidward-gif-13808874276609302886

[dusky geyser]

no im saying no to them

you cant tell me to get out.

I'm sorry if the way I speak has attitude, thats not my intention, its pretty typical as an autistic person to not truly know how to format things properly

[molten widget]

Man I can't be funny

https://tenor.com/view/sad-mario-phone-check-walk-gif-15818126186478764678

[quaint echo]

As an autistic myself, it's understandable.

[tiny sable]

I can understand the misconception though

[remote tree]

i can confirm

[dusky geyser]

but the only thing I've been trying to do is explain why I was confused, because I think its pretty reasonable when it says to either do X or Y

[molten widget]

Are we all autistic here?

Rejoice

[dusky geyser]

no, the real pickle man was having a jab at me, I'm not sure why I dont even know who they are >=T

But then again thast also pretty normal.

[remote tree]

no?

i have autism as well?

i was confirming we, yes we have trouble wording things sometimes

[dusky geyser]

this being replied here sounds like "yeah I can confirm they're an asshole lmao"

[molten widget]

It did not but ok..

But also we should stop talking here

this is for lethalmin

[quaint echo]

Okay look, its 9 PM where me and note are, and we are both extremely tired. We helped you with your problem and told you why the pikmin didn't follow you. You can go back to fulfilling quotas with your pikmin, and me and note can get a good nights rest. Sound good?

So everyone, please for the sake of my sanity, just go back to doing what you were doing before this whole thing started.

[remote tree]

well i was suffering with an advanced music program

and lsot my work because it didnt ask me what to name it

[quaint echo]

Yikes

[remote tree]

i would rather not go back to that 😭

[quaint echo]

Sorry man that sucks

[remote tree]

im NOT built for music, like, not this time but people can go hours for 15 seconds and its all gone like that

anywho

i despawn now

[molten widget]

Change of topic, with the piggy's variety mod.
This is the "recode" version.

Something I'd thought I'd mention.
But also to bury some of the conversation before

The pikmin don't die, they just get knocked back

[remote tree]

pikmin 4 electric gates

thats why (trust)

[molten widget]

Though I do know since this is a different version, that's why it doesn't work.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/PiggyVarietyMod/PiggysVarietyMod/

[dusky geyser]

i do wanna say one more thing. i only started responding with any sort of hostility after i was caps spammed at and called a "goof". not that the latter is all that insulting. =(

[remote tree]

no the pikmin decided to follow pikmin 4 logic trust

[molten widget]

This one specifically

[molten widget]

Don't worry, it's over with

Anyway.

Right now I'm just disabling the gates from my modpack.

[dusky geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/you-what-wtf-disgusted-repulsed-reaction-gif-9521897686579036997

[molten widget]

Just thought I'd mention it since support for it again would be nice.

[tiny sable]

Oh it got updated

that's probobly why

[molten widget]

But if not that's fine

[molten widget]

Yep, it's a whole recode

Doesn't have the revolver or anythin yet

Just the rifle and telsa gates

[tiny sable]

oh that's a fork?

[molten widget]

I don't know

There is a fork version made by somebody else but..

I don't t h i n k

it's a fork

More like from the ground up

[molten widget]

oh it is lol

Musta skipped that line while reading

But yaya,

It's the most recently updated

[tiny sable]

since it is under a different GUID I could add a compat for that and the original

[molten widget]

Ooo neato

[molten widget]

https://tenor.com/view/mostro-tremone-10-fps-halloween-gif-9190304719989906491

[molten widget]

🔥

Can’t tell if the skeleton sprite pops up or not. nevertheless, I’m glad it works!

[formal fog]

Is there any specific troubles with Pikmoons with LethalMin?

I suppose honestly, I should just ask if theres a really nice list of stuff that LethalMin works well with. in the past I only saw a select few things clash but I cant remember for the life of me after my hiatus lol

I've gotten most of the things that were listed as directly compatible already

[novel turtle]

i specifically have some things to make lethalmin work better with pikmoons, experiencing anything in particular?

[formal fog]

Well, after mashing my brain into a blender for the past 3 hours

.... either LethalMin, or the LethalMinLibrary mayyyyy be setting min and max scrap to 0, or just stopping LethalLib from spawning items.. at all

testing right now.

*Or they are very angry at something else that I cannot pin down.

disabling both made items show back up. testing now wiht just LethalMin

[novel turtle]

i don't actually work on lethalmin, so i can't help you there, but if you have any issues you can pin down for pikmoons specifically, feel free to share in my thread https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1312933178398478396

[formal fog]

Once I figure out what LethalMin is mad at, I will definitely try and look into pikmoons.

But, I have concluded... LethalMin definitely is what is stopping scrap from spawning.

Or atleast, it's angry with something but I can't seem to pin it down.

Hey uhh.. So, I figured out whats happening

LethalMin is making all the scrap spawn next to the ship in one clump....

and it despawns when I try to pick it up.

"despawns" its still scannable but no longer interactable, and effects such as the radiation from one of them still hurt me when I'm near it.

[formal fog]

I have narrowed it down. SellBodiesFixed breaks Lethalmin. OR, those two+something else yeets it.

[south apex]

SellBodiesFixed works with LethalMin

At least last time I played

[dry hedge]

It's compat has broke

[formal fog]

thats why I said it may be a combination of those two plus something else. but after disabling every by quadrant, I narrowed it down.

[signal grotto]

I think the same SellBodiesFixed update that fixed compatibility with SelfSortingStorage is what made Lethalmin break.

Or at least a patch around the same time.

[formal fog]

having sellbodies and lethalmin activated makes all items spawn next to the ship, and be yeeted when you try to pick them up. atleast with my list.

disabling one or the other fixes the issue.

[dry hedge]

same

[formal fog]

Any ideas on helping the lag from entering the facility with a buncha pikmin? I know moving away from the entrance helps but sometimes theres a turret and all hell breaks loose at 9fps v:

[quaint echo]

Oh trust me buddy you are not alone ive lost countless pikmin to entrance turrets

[tiny sable]

I could make it so instead of pikmin teleporting directly to your location when entering the spawn around you. That way they aren't all overlapping and causing lag

[dry hedge]

Are you also going to fix the compat with sellbodiesfixed?

[tiny sable]

was not awere it had broke

[formal fog]

sounds like it could work v: it's weird because I know I didn't used to have the issue, or atleast it didn't happen every time the last time I ran with pikmin

[tiny sable]

will fix soon

[dry hedge]

Alright

[tiny sable]

I think it's mainly a rendering thing with a bunch of pikmin models overlapping each other causeing a bunch of Zfighting

[formal fog]

ahh

actually yeah that makes sense. they do it sometimes too when you charge a full pack at a smaller enemy

where I assume they get confused because theres no more places to stand while attacking.

[molten widget]

I've been messing with some of the config options and I've noticed changing the onion rarity is odd..
I don't know if this is the case- but when I set the onion rarity lower, the purple and white onions don't get theirs changed so, it's more likely to also find them.

[quaint echo]

I think thats because the purple and white onions have unique spawning mechanics separate from the normal ones

[molten widget]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Being able to change their rarity would be neat because as of now, I don't want to since it does so.

[quaint echo]

I gotchu

@tiny sable DO UR JOB

[tiny sable]

i'm updating lethalmin rn vro

trying to see why sellbodies fixed isn't working anymore

[quaint echo]

Ah

[tiny sable]

lowering it should make them even more rare since they lower the spawn chance multiplier config by 0.25 iirc

[molten widget]

Huh..

So maybe I was just insanely lucky lol

Think I lowered it to 35 or 25

Since finding a onion every moon was too much for me.

[tiny sable]

pretty sure the reason it broke was because the dev changed the namespaces of the mod

[quaint echo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351717265787060284/1445617790525640896/mario-smg4.gif

[tiny sable]

Has anyone gotten these errors spammed before?

[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
Unity.Netcode.NetworkVariable`1[T].set_Value (T value) (at <d961951ab868489cbec1aa9b2480688f>:IL_002C)
LethalMin.Leader.Update () (at ./Scripts/Leader.cs:380)

[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
Unity.Netcode.NetworkVariable`1[T].set_Value (T value) (at <d961951ab868489cbec1aa9b2480688f>:IL_002C)
LethalMin.PikminManager.Update () (at ./Scripts/PikminManager.cs:124)

[dry hedge]

I dont believe i have

[tiny sable]

ok I think it's just my build of the mod.

[novel turtle]

sfm type beat

[remote tree]

Hey note i just noticed they arent, would it be possible to make ice pikmin semi-transparent

[tiny sable]

maybe

[formal fog]

He dropped him eyeballs

[south apex]

Cuphead

[formal fog]

Noice

[south apex]

Also what happened to NoteBoxz mod role?

[signal grotto]

NoteBoxz left the server at some point, removing the role.

[south apex]

Oh dang

That sucks

[signal grotto]

maybe a moderator could give it back?

[quaint echo]

Mugman

[molten widget]

[Error : LethalMin] Error registering MaskedPlayerEnemy MaskedPlayerEnemy as Puffmin Leader: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at LethalMin.Patches.AI.MaskedPlayerEnemyPatch.RegisterAsPuffminLeader (MaskedPlayerEnemy __instance) [0x0020c] in ./Patches/Enemies/MaskedPlayerEnemyPatch.cs:53
at LethalMin.PikminManager.Start () [0x00075] in ./Scripts/PikminManager.cs:81

Not sure if this will cause issues.

[formal fog]

the teleporting to entrance thing is a dream!

[quaint echo]

Sorry for lack of updates, Me and Note have been too busy playing die of death lmao

[tiny sable]

It shouldn't since the function is ran in a try catch block:

However this error should only really happen if there are any mods that duplicate the MaskedPlayerEnemy script

[remote tree]

Peak

[formal fog]

Just had a thought. What if Rock Pikmin were immune to CodeRebirth beartraps... OR, if possible, a rock pikmin getting snapped by the trap destroys them both?

[quaint echo]

@tiny sable ADD THIS

[formal fog]

We had a thought but didnt have the onion to test it.... can the ice pikmin freeze hygroderes?

[novel turtle]

you can freeze them, but you can't attack them when they're frozen

[formal fog]

ahhh I see. So it just stuns them for a while?

or does that kill them

So far we've always had someone either use a boombox or dance (music emotes work apparently) to get them away from our pikmin and then hurry by

[novel turtle]

it's like water, so you have to keep the ice pikmin there otherwise they break free

[formal fog]

ahh

well tahts neat

[novel turtle]

is the lethalmin github still private on purpose? i wanted to try looking at functions and messing around now that i kinda code sometimes (badly)

it would be understandable if it was, in case of nintendo ninjas

[formal fog]

oh, and make them immune/get planted by spike traps too

[quaint echo]

They already do that lol

[formal fog]

oh.. weird, I wonder why they died then

[quaint echo]

Anything considered "crushing" in the games code they SHOULD be immune to.

[formal fog]

hmmm

[quaint echo]

That sounds like a

[formal fog]

dunno why they died then v:

[formal fog]

lol

we were also thinking, since they can break armor in the game... make them able to beat up old birds. Probably still wouldnt be worth because the grab can yank so many

[quaint echo]

Hmmmmm

Thats.... not a bad idea actually.

but it would also be unbelievably hard to implement

It was already difficult getting the old bird to pick up pikmin

But ill ask note about it

[formal fog]

might be a neat/niche thing. Currently wouldn't serve much purpose for coderebirth enjoyers since Sam turrets just blow them up anyway lol

[inland cave]

this has probably been feature requested before, but would it at all be possible to at least add a config option that allows water-immune pikmin types to ignore the hydrogere?

[dry hedge]

Isn't that already a thing?

[inland cave]

last i played no?

the hydrogere can be frozen with ice pikmin but it'll still trap blue pikmin and bulbmin

[dry hedge]

I thought blue pikmin didnt get affected

Huh, weird

[inland cave]

my brain always makes the connection of the hydrogere being like the goolix so i can understand if the mod creators have a different idea of what the enemy is made out of, still wanted to throw it out there nonetheless since me and a few friends talk about that a lot when playing

and i figured it'd give blue pikmin more of a use because outside of flooded moons they're a little bit underutilized if you're playing with no other mods

[quaint echo]

So did I. NOTEBOXZZZZZ

I swear to god if i have to remind him again to fix that im gonna lose it

[austere musk]

would it break a lot of things if pikmin didnt push enemies on collision? i've had some really goofy but frustrating deaths because of it, such as charging a large group of pikmin at a dog only for them to basically crowd surf its gaping maw directly into me, or my squad getting captured by a hygrodere and then pushing it right under my feet at really high speeds

[formal fog]

gotta love charging pikmin at a bracken or thumper only for them to catch a stray coilhead aroudn the corner and push him at mach-10 when you least expect it and get yourself killed

[austere musk]

yeahhhh

i havent had that happen with a coilhead yet but ive definitely had things get pushed into me and absolutely annihilate me

it is very funny though when your squad bullies something into a corner though

[formal fog]

friendly fire setting does not save pikmin from shotgun uwu

[novel turtle]

just curious, cause i seem to remember it being public before, obviously if note wants it private it's totally up to them

[quaint echo]

Oh yeah he made it private bc Nintendo is an absolute snake. And also to avoid anyone leaking future stuff.

[novel turtle]

nintendo does have those copyright hounds, understandable

[tardy fern]

are there any mods known to be incompatible with Lethalmin?

[quaint echo]

Not quite sure, but DEFINITELY moons with no navmesh

[tardy fern]

that one makes sense yeah

I ask because I'm trying to run a modpack i mentioned in #help-and-troubleshooting and I'm getting some S E V E R E lag with enemy ai so i;m trying to troubleshoot out what the issue is

[quaint echo]

How many mods does the modpack have?

[tardy fern]

around 160

[quaint echo]

Yeah i dont think lethalmin is the problem lol

[tardy fern]

yeah, i wonder if its some mod that alters EnemyAI that is tanking things

the Pikmin are the most stable thing in the pack

[quaint echo]

That or the amount of mods you have plus the game running the enemy ai and the pikmin is causing the lag. Do you have any mods that adds or changes enemy AI? (Besides lethalmin of course)

[tardy fern]

Ill comb through, i used to have Natural Selection but I nuked it last night

BarberFixes, ChuxiaFixes, SmartEnemyPathfinding (LCOffice Dependancy), Mirage, MaskFixes, PathfindingLib, SpiderPositionFix (a desync fixer), StarlancerAIFix

I'm noticing I don't have PathfindingLagFix, AsyncLoggers, or LethalFixes because I didn't want to cause any conflicts

Ill add the last three and see if there's a difference

[tardy fern]

the lag always manifests as perfect fps at the start of the round or slightly lowered, then a slow degradation over time

[tardy fern]

that fixed it

lmao

[quaint echo]

posting this without elaborating

[dry hedge]

[quaint echo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1270165579390648403/1373395771537489940/image0-4.gif

[formal fog]

160 actual mods or 60 mods with 100 apis because people have no restraint?

[novel turtle]

so incredibly based that this script is randomly in lethalmin, thank you 🙏

perfect for my current use case with a visual effect component i made

[tardy fern]

The latter 💀💀💀

But I installed pathfindinglagfix and it solved

EVERYTHING.

[quaint echo]

@tiny sable Happy Birthday

[novel turtle]

Oh what?! Hbd Note!

[marble mesa]

I am going to kill you for exposing me to that

[marble mesa]

Dont land there guys xD

[novel turtle]

not quite sure what happened as it was working semi-recently, but these pikmin type scriptable object things no longer show up in the preferred type field of PikminItemSettings script

i still have the same one note included, but they just no longer register as the same thing, i guess?

i also can't directly drag them from my project file inspector, either

it stopped working before i updated lethalminlib and lethalmin in my project, also, i just updated them to check if that'd help and it didn't

i do have a workaround, by pasting component values from pikminitemsettings of the pellets i made when it was working

[novel turtle]

nvm, ignore all that i guess, a restart of my pc and project the next day seems to have fixed the issue

[marble mesa]

Ok so i am not losing it, if the onion takes 2 corpses side by side it can ignore some of it, i.e i got 2 pearls from the pikmin moons and they give 50 each and a nectar and only came out with a flat 50

[marble mesa]

[09:42:21.6121049] [Info : LethalMin] Setting Ice Pikmin_MJ1N to the onion
[09:42:21.6512093] [Info : LethalMin] Cleaning up 3 excess pikmin (103 total) on map...
[09:42:21.6532171] [Warning: LethalMin] PikminData (5_Red Pikmin_mn8P2Fm_2026-02-15 21:11:04) is already in the Onion. Not adding again.
[09:42:21.6532171] [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
LethalMin.PikminManager.DespawnPikmin (LethalMin.PikminAI pikmin) (at ./Scripts/PikminManager.cs:1474)
LethalMin.PikminManager.CleanUpExcessPikmin () (at ./Scripts/PikminManager.cs:2318)
LethalMin.PikminManager.Update () (at ./Scripts/PikminManager.cs:146), oh god what did i do

Just landed and already there are 24 pikmin on the map

i cant get 100 with me

My friend however has 0 on the map for him

That error happens when He pulls out 100

Its prob my dumbasses fault, i will fuck around with my modpack and see if i cannot fix this

[tame rain]

When me and my friends play with this mod, we encountered a masked enemy who was killed by the pikmin, after that when we tried to leave the moon we got out but it wouldn't proceed to the next day, no results or save so we had to reload the save and redo the day. Any idea how to fix this?

[tiny sable]

(Hiatus) LethalMin (LC Pikmin Mod)

[quaint echo]

No idea, maybe try to keep pikmins contact with the maskeds to a minimum. The masked were always buggy, i'm sorry.

[dry hedge]

Pikmin stickers arrived

[green imp]

It makes salmon??!!!!

[round flare]

is there any performance difference between these

ive noticed my game freezes constantly when theres over 20 following me

[novel turtle]

i'd assume that's them colliding with each other, and that the "new" one would be better for performance, as it keeps them kind of in formation rather than clumped up

[round flare]

gotcha, i'll try it out

ive noticed its not as pronounced in singleplayer so it might just be network jank

[novel turtle]

[round flare]

rocket science

[marble mesa]

[11:32:33.9264859] [Error : Unity Log] ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: index
Stack trace:
System.Collections.Generic.List`1[T].get_Item (System.Int32 index) (at <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:IL_0009)
LethalMin.PikminItem.GrabPikminItemServerRpc () (at ./Scripts/PikminItem.cs:319)
LethalMin.PikminItem.__rpc_handler_2246398377 (Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour target, Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader reader, Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams rpcParams) (at <7a0f9096547448ebaf28661833d61acf>:IL_007B)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers.Handle (Unity.Netcode.NetworkContext& context, Unity.Netcode.RpcMetadata& metadata, Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader& payload, Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams& rpcParams) (at <d961951ab868489cbec1aa9b2480688f>:IL_00A6)
Rethrow as Exception: Unhandled RPC exception!
UnityEngine.Debug:LogException(Exception)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers:Handle(NetworkContext&, RpcMetadata&, FastBufferReader&, __RpcParams&)
Unity.Netcode.ServerRpcMessage:Handle(NetworkContext&)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour:__endSendServerRpc(FastBufferWriter&, UInt32, ServerRpcParams, RpcDelivery)
LethalMin.PikminItem:GrabPikminItemServerRpc() (at ./Scripts/PikminItem.cs:318)
LethalMin.PikminItem:Update() (at ./Scripts/PikminItem.cs:983) had this show up in my logs

also stuff like this

No clue whats going on, i know the dev has taken a step back, just placing this here incase they come back or if anyone else knows whats going on, note the error and the inability to pick up are not the same issue as the error did not happen at the same time

[marble mesa]

My guess but idk is how many scrap items there are

like if i have 2 mods that add 100 scrap each

It may be over loading the items the pikmin mod has to track but no clue tbh

[south apex]

Have you tried whistling them back and throwing them on the scrap slower?

[marble mesa]

Idk ill try and do that next time, i know i got them to pick up and item like this before

[marble mesa]

I may know whats causing this

[marble mesa]

I 100% know what caused it the fireexit on the ship from a mod

[iron sky]

I need to make a video on this mod

How the fuck have I not yet

[frail mirage]

So all of my pikmin just vanished after going to a new moon after selling my scrap at the company exspect my purple pikmin

[candid marsh]

ah... the creator is on a hiatus
i quite like this mod. hope that when they return, they will add truly great things!

[marble mesa]

There is not really anything else to add

[candid marsh]

yeah… aside from like, a unified pokmin selector (to let you select your pikmin from all sources because on some moons some of the onions decide to hide away, or the Lumiknoll eats them)

plus on some moons, the onions will LITERALLY JUST MELD TOGETHER. Leading to a LOT of finagling

[candid marsh]

Also perhaps a config for the pikmin depositing items straight to the company? A config since they will steal guns to sell them

But a blacklist could work in conjunction with that

[round flare]

i wonder if itd be possible to add a setting to disable pikmin on pikmin collisions

it seems to lag me quite badly
especially on multiplayer when i host

[candid marsh]

wait thats the cause of the lag!? i thought it was from all of them being teleported at once

[south apex]

If I remember Pikmin collision make the game lag a lot

[candid marsh]

ah. that explains... quite a lot

[quaint echo]

We're just waiting for the new lethal company updates to release so we can quickly add compatibilities to all the new stuff.

[candid marsh]

oki

[quaint echo]

they probably just went on a lunch break

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/im-so-hungry-bulborb-pikmin-pikmin-4-louie-gif-11528037609035372852

[marble mesa]

Strange how much pikmin did you have?

[frail mirage]

was this was around the time I installed a mod adding more so that probs did it

[marble mesa]

Ya that sounds like it

[dry hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-pikmin-pikmin-pikmin4-mental-breakdance-gif-27544242

[candid marsh]

issue with pikmin on hometown

the onions will shoot sprouts into completely unaccessible areas

[marble mesa]

Thats a moon issue not a pikmin issue

Pluckaphone

[candid marsh]

it can't reach past the trees that the sprouts go over

[marble mesa]

Ah

[south apex]

thats kind of unfixable

i think

on assurance its the one big rock

[dry hedge]

The pikmin mod doesn't work well with moons that don't have open space near the ship

Unless the moon already has support for the pikmin mod

[candid marsh]

you can get the pikmin if you absolutely BLAST THE SIZE of the sprouts ot 1E+9

[south apex]

im guessing if there is a terrain that has a tag of room, it will predict where the sprout will spawn and do the thing

[dry hedge]

Why would you do that

[candid marsh]

to save the pikmin from being stuck in the gaster room

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-gaster-wd-gaster-frisk-wingdings-gif-4510249361339935062

[south apex]

oh wait I read that wrong

but yeah still unfixable lol

[candid marsh]

hometown also just has the issue of being UNGODLY DARK

during the evening

like its not even the lighting

inside ship

outside shipo

its clearly

OVERDONE

[south apex]

im blind

[candid marsh]

ik

its that bad

[south apex]

what moon even is that

[candid marsh]

Hometown

[novel turtle]

There is a way to set where the onions land on moons, but the moon creator has to add the compat, no way to do it on the user's/lethalmin's end

[remote tree]

also i heard something about something related to this being taken down due to nintendo being stinky

[candid marsh]

THEY BETTER FUCKING NOT

[quaint echo]

what.

[remote tree]

i remember scrolling in this thread

think it was something with the github?

[novel turtle]

i think that was a reason for keeping the github private, i don't remember hearing any actual communications with nintendo happening

[round flare]

i doubt nintendo will take action unless the mod starts getting monetized in any way

[quaint echo]

Yeah we wont do that

No money will be made off this mod, and donations won't be accepted. Spend your money on more important things, like food.

[marble mesa]

man i cant catch a break, WHAT DID I DO???

[candid marsh]

pik it up and play it again. That should fix it

[candid marsh]

uhhh ya’ll might need to update

[tiny sable]

The repo was taken down for reasons completly unrelated to nintedo btw

[novel turtle]

Understandable, totally your right to do what you want with it

I just saw this message and it made it sound like that was at least part of the reason #1284350018001571893 message

[marble mesa]

No i tried

I could not interact with anything

[candid marsh]

you gotta restart

most likely

[marble mesa]

Thats what i did

[quaint echo]

Lethalmin fans when v80 comes out:

[remote tree]

My pikmin after seeing ||the cat|| (its the ancient sirehound but a feline but the pikmin are big enough that its not a threat)

[south apex]

Grass

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-of-course-ohhhh-oh-that-makes-sense-gif-11896286840118452668

[marble mesa]

Im gunna test with v80 lethal min and see what happens

(instant crash)

no crash just no items or pikmin

[quaint echo]

Yeah its not ready for v80 yet unfortunately

[south apex]

||The Cadaver|| should be able to make Pikmin into Puffshrooms after a long time in it

[marble mesa]

I figured i just wanted to test

[dry hedge]

Dont know if this necessarily matters right now since the mod is on hiatus, but on assurance the onion likes to spawn with two of its legs in the mountain, so not all pikmin make it inside the onion when you're leaving. They just stare longingly at the wall

[quaint echo]

Dont worry they still get in at the end

[marble mesa]

Ya they will get in, with wider and 2 story ship they can get stuck on the ship when its leaving

[candid marsh]

so.. should i turn off lethalmin til its off hiatus?

[quaint echo]

Unless you're planning on playing the v80 beta, nah.

[marble mesa]

Probably as until its updated for v80 it likely wont work

[south apex]

this mod will most likely need fixing for every update

[dry hedge]

Most content mods do

[marble mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-dance-red-pikmin-yellow-pikmin-blue-pikmin-gif-10417518233218729053

[dry hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-pikmin-pikmin-pikmin4-mental-breakdance-gif-27544242

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-pikmin-pikmin-trim-pikmin-fade-gif-10838965142485564419

[marble mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-pikmin-2-pikmin-4-water-wraith-walter-white-gif-15000043411413006956

[tiny sable]

LethalMin (LC Pikmin Mod)

Wokring on V80 Patch, mind the dust

[south apex]

what dust

https://tenor.com/view/cat-look-cat-look-at-camera-silly-cat-in-a-cage-gif-889392959852579879

[tiny sable]

this mod hasn't been touched in months 😭

[south apex]

oh right

cough cough

[quaint echo]

Pls feed them they are starving

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/oats-no-pigs-pig-brother-gif-8274685160072684375

[quaint echo]

I have that whole script memorized

Including "grovers mad plan to kill god"

[south apex]

congrats

why does zeekers need 500 pounds of code just for a custom dead body

[quaint echo]

Spaghetti code probably

[tiny sable]

Wingeds now fly up to attack snareflees

[south apex]

nice

[marble mesa]

Note is back with the frame perfect death end xD,

[remote tree]

Why the video not video-ing (its a still frame)

Nevermind

[marble mesa]

Blame discord

[remote tree]

The moment i sent the message

Fixed itself

Also can we have an extension mod for lethalmin that adds spicy and bitter spray?

[marble mesa]

The Pikmin moons adds the berry's

[south apex]

in 42 years when lethal company is v90

[remote tree]

Does it work tho

[marble mesa]

No just scrap rn

So maybe purchasable upgrade that takes that and adds that, but for now i think wait till lethalmin works for v80

[novel turtle]

good to have you back note ❤️

[iron sky]

holy shit note

He's back!

SelectableInterios is saved

[tiny sable]

1.25x more Pikmin will now spawn during rainy days

[marble mesa]

also pikmin that spawn inside can sometimes spawn in water and will get glitched making the drowning sound

[tiny sable]

Fixed (hopefully)

[marble mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-captain-america-chris-evans-my-work-here-is-done-thank-you-gif-1405615095296157354

[tiny sable]

Going to introduce a new mechanic to make wild pikmin a bit more useful during mid/late game.
The Falloff Mechanic: The more of a Pikmin Type the player has, the less of that type will spawn wild.
Every Pikmin type has a Falloff value 0 to 1, the higher this value is, the less of that type will spawn.
So if you have about 100 Reds in the onion so their falloff value is 1. Then almost no reds will spawn wild at all, giving the chance for other types to spawn more.
If Purples and Whites have a high fall off value, then Bulbmin will start to spawn in groups up to 3. This way bulbmin could be more useful during late game.
This entire mechanic can be configured

[iron sky]

Hell yeah

[south apex]

spoils

[remote tree]

ascention

[candid marsh]

will pikmin collision be a config? to reduce lag

or the lag caused by looking at the onions while using @marble silo's two story ship

also get pinged dingus

[south apex]

Wasn’t that always a config

[candid marsh]

It was?

Never saw it

[tiny sable]

collisiosn between what? the pikmin with eachother or with the player?

[candid marsh]

pikmin with eachother

due to how intense the lag gets in transitions from inside to outside

[candid marsh]

it causes MASSIVE lag spikes for all players

plus, could add a follow mode that goes along with that (compressed mode, to make sure you can have larger squads despite more dangerous conditions

(like pools and traps

[inland cave]

is that an issue? i play in a large mod pack focused around lethalmin once per week and have never experienced that

[inland cave]

this is a really nice feature

[candid marsh]

weird. i have had that happen a lot

though it most often happens with custom interiors

[inland cave]

maybe that could be it? idk i only play on custom interiors that the pikmin don't have issues pathfinding through

[candid marsh]

its not pathfinding its collision

[tiny sable]

pikmin don't even have collision, at least I don't think

between eachother at least

the only thing that can be considered as collision between pikmin is their pathfinding avoidance quailty

[tiny sable]

Also I thought I fixed that by adding a config to make it so Pikmin don't all spawn ontop of eachother when entering/exiting

[candid marsh]

can't find that config

[tiny sable]

It's under general and should be on by default

[candid marsh]

ah nice

found it

and its on

[tiny sable]

Pikmin no longer absorb shotgun shots

[tiny sable]

Something to addon to V80's UI stylization

[green imp]

Holy shit, it’s alive

[south apex]

it took like 50 years for that to be patched

i remember shooting my pikmin when I used the shotgun

[candid marsh]

funny thing, Winged pikmin for some reason will not fly over water

[south apex]

if theres water can't it just

calculate the spot above a quicksand spot, and if the pikmin goes in that calculated spot it flies over it

also when I say quicksand I mean the script with the Is Water

[marble mesa]

What will if any the interactions between the cadaver and the pikmin?

[remote tree]

note

playing lethalmin with aether...

why

doesnt the whistle

tell you how to throw?

[marble mesa]

aether?

[remote tree]

notezy knows em

[marble mesa]

ah

[remote tree]

hey note

can we get the pikmin singing?

[marble mesa]

OOoooo i hope so they are cute