[Discontinued] LethalMin (LC Pikmin Mod)

[next geyser]

we shall see

[south apex]

[quaint echo]

I can host

[south apex]

like right now or just saying you will host it

[quaint echo]

I will host it

Not rn I’m tired asf

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-dancing-grooving-dance-groovy-gif-15609319880128479626

the pikmin in the ship

[quaint echo]

But yeah I’d love to join a stream

[next geyser]

Currently me and my buddy are doing programming

[quaint echo]

bc i forgot who you are

im no longer tired asf i could host rn

[next geyser]

owo

same code as before?

[quaint echo]

yea

tho for you i'd might wanna turn off the captain toad ost mod bc copyright

[next geyser]

surprised creaturemin etc. aren't included

[quaint echo]

not a fan of it

[next geyser]

oh i dont plan on streaming this session i gotta like make sure the vibes are good

[quaint echo]

oh in that case by all means enjoy the silly ass music

[next geyser]

my lethalmin modpack is a lot more fuckshit compared to this one lol

[knotty phoenix]

btw

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2505666439?t=4h22m33s

Vinny covered this last night

[next geyser]

o awesome

[tiny sable]

:O

[knotty phoenix]

wanted to share last night but you were offline. so i waited for the vod, then only just remembered to share that a few minutes ago

so maybe expect a little more traction

[next geyser]

not 100% on the vibes i think

[south apex]

notes legs look nice

[quaint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/tpot-bfdi-bfb-bfdia-idfb-gif-16316043200731573468

[formal fog]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-scrumptious-gif-9673450865822961522

[quaint echo]

I’m about to prison shank one of you

[harsh umbra]

Holy shit a dog spawned RIGHT UNDER ME when I was managing my pikmin

Fuck Eclipsed Alcatras man

[quaint echo]

I’ve never really had a problem with eclipsed moons (except for embrion)

[formal fog]

I'm still trying to figure out why the glowpikkies get crushed by the lumiknoll.

[harsh umbra]

Iv'e always had the worst luck going to eclipsed Alcatras, every other moon it's normallyy difficult but doable

[hexed olive]

the thing

[main blade]

yeah bucket does it vanilla 😔

[quaint echo]

*vanilla-ish

I like to see lethalmin interact with lethal company by itself with as little other variables as possible

All the other mods are quality of life/ui changes

I like model changes tho i cannot deny watching the Pikmin murder waluigi is funny as hell

[tiny sable]

me personally...

[quaint echo]

You say that as if it’s a bad thing

[quaint echo]

BRO NO WONDER YOUR PC CONSTANTLY SHITS ITSELF

[main blade]

as if its not a good thing

[quaint echo]

Some people like playing games without mods that make it unrecognizable

[main blade]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bunny-fluffy-gif-10706109

[harsh umbra]

Hm... I can't put away the pikmin-container on the ship

and I worked so hard to not get it too 😭

Then something bugs out and poof, now it's there being big and ugly

There, if it's out of the way it won't bother me (it's bothering me)

[tiny sable]

I think this is the first streamer to stream LethalMin VR
https://www.twitch.tv/miniorvr/video/2506900718

[quaint echo]

Content unavailable

[tiny sable]

prolly because it's marked as this

[quaint echo]

okay fuck lemmie turn on my pc I’m signed in on there

[next geyser]

I like adding new scrap and moons and (sometimes) interiors

[remote tree]

Btw note, as a reference to pikmin 4, can we have it so that if an onion happens to be purple/white (possibly specifically pikmin 4 style) have the scan called “purple jewel”and “white jewel”, maybe even allow custom type creators to determine if its called onion or jewel (rare ones)

[formal fog]

strangely, when someone else hosts with my modpack

they cannot buy whistles

they can buy the pluckaphone tho

my modlist is truly cursed

[tiny sable]

you have this installed?
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SylviBlossom/TerminalConflictFix/

[formal fog]

I do not, but I do have a thing that eliminates furniture from the list once bought which did very similar.

[tiny sable]

TerminalConflictFix could fix that issue

[compact elk]

Hey I want to ask right now cause I'm having trouble with this mod with LethalMin.

I've installed FairAI to use alongside Lethalmin for my friends and I, but I know what happens with Pikmin and quicksand.
Normally, the Pikmin walk on the quicksand just fine it seems. Though now with FairAI, the issue is the moment they step on quick sand, Pikmin die instantly but also make this very loud scream, repeatedly.
Is there a possible way for me to turn off dying to quicksand for the Pikmin?

[tiny sable]

Check if theres a blacklist for quick sand in the FairAI config

[harsh umbra]

Uhhhh

Any idea what this means?

This popped up, and suddenly all my Pikmin are gone

Had to use a screenshot as clicking anywhere inside BepInEx's window crashes the game

[tiny sable]

what were you doing in game before this occoured?

[harsh umbra]

Farming Nutcrackers on Wesley's Filitrios map

They all went inside the onion okay when I left the moon

Landed back on Filitrios (it's Flooded this time), went over to my Onion and they were all gone

It's not TOO big of an issue as I have some pretty reliable methods of getting massive amounts of Pikmin, but I'm worried this might lead to something more serious

[tiny sable]

It actually is a big issue

[harsh umbra]

[tiny sable]

and a major oversight on my end

how many pikmin did you have before they disappeared?

[harsh umbra]

Like

3k

I don't remember the exact number

Was it an integer overflow?

[tiny sable]

[harsh umbra]

I vaguelly remember doing the same thing in Pikmin 2 once by accident

So kudos on making it close to the source material

[tiny sable]

basically

The error happens on this line of code

what I assume is happening is that there are so many pikmin saved that an overflow is caused when trying to load it, via a clientrpc

[harsh umbra]

Ah... Yeah I did have a lot of whites

That was the vast majority of my legion

[tiny sable]

I think I can fix it by just loading chunks of pikmin from the save instead of all of them at once

[harsh umbra]

Oh what the fuck

I went to Galetry, and now they're all here again

and I completely overestimated how many pikmin in total I had

I have 1.3k

Come to think of it, the "Pikmin on field" counter was acting strange, it kept saying there was 1 pikmin out somewhere despite none being on the field

and I mean 0, I set the whistle radius to 10000 and didn't get a single one added to my squad lol

Maybe Filitrios got sick of me farming the nutcrackers there

But speaking of Pikmin acting strange, I've never once gotten them to work correctly on Gordion/TheCompany

They only path correctly on Galetry

[tiny sable]

you have NavMeshOnCompany right?

[harsh umbra]

I don't see that in the config

[tiny sable]

I mean the mod
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Kittenji/NavMeshInCompany/

[harsh umbra]

Ohhhhhh

Nope, don't got that lol

Thank you though, will be installing that shortly

The final Pikmin rush on Galetry

[quaint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-ariel-little-gif-20171981

[south apex]

what could you have possibly searched for this

[quaint echo]

You don’t wanna know

[south apex]

[tiny sable]

[south apex]

volume warning

[harsh umbra]

me when the eyeless dogs are ignoring the loud horn

[south apex]

me when I have to use the whistle to get the dogs to the ship to kill them

[tiny sable]

bucket finding out I changed it so eyeless dogs no longer go to the whistle zone

[south apex]

when was that ever a thing

they always went towards where the sound was (which was the whistle)

[tiny sable]

they did it in the beta

it was legit a strat to just lure dogs away with the whistles

[south apex]

I never remember that happening when I played

I accidently whistled in the beta and the dog got pissed and ran at me

[harsh umbra]

I still use the whistle as bait for dogs

I lay out a group of white pikmin between me and it, use the whistle to call it over and the whites just poison it to death

[marble mesa]

Once you get the white onion baboon hauks and dogs are dead

🙂

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-pickles-chris-frezza-i-like-pickles-i-really-enjoy-pickles-i-adore-pickles-gif-13424704387641763208

[marble mesa]

Those are not pickles

those are baboon hauk samples

probably a issue on my end but pikmin seem to dupe sometimes

i had 5 white pikmin in the pikmin container and i moved them out to put into the onion and 5 kept appearing in the container

[formal fog]

man that sounds liek a really cool item on its own... but also makes no sense lol

we need like, a tossable squeakie toy mod.

on topic I still cannot figure out why they get stuck inside the lumiknoll

[tiny sable]

me neither, they are supposed to spawn around it not inside of it

this is the function that determins the spawn location of the glow pikmin and nothing here seems to be indirectly effectible by other mods

[formal fog]

hrmm...

I'm starting to think ghost configs are doing things again

this modlist is about 7 months old so I may just need to redo it all

for example, anyone else hosting with my modlist, it does not run like.. at all. every other item is broken, massive desyncing etc.

but when I host, smooth as butter (aside from the 1 or 2 issues with like the lumiknolls)

Actually, someone mentioned an issue with fairai up there

I wonder if that applies the stuck prevention to the pikmin that mobs get (killing them) before they even get the chance to pop out of the lumiknoll?

might also explain why random vertical terrain makes them scream a thousand deaths before finally dying

[tiny sable]

you have fairAI installed right?

[formal fog]

yeah

[tiny sable]

well I see the issue with fairAI's quicksand

[formal fog]

they do the same thing for random vertical geometry on occasion as well

it's only happened in the mansion interior for me though

[tiny sable]

But I believe that this is actually an issue with FairAI itself. As when an enemy dies in quick sand, FairAI just spams the kill function on the enemy in the quick sand. So you can see something similar happens with a baboon hawk. Except the baboon hawk doesn't despawn like pikmin so it will just spam it's kill sound for the rest of the round.

[tiny sable]

In Fair AI, the quicksand's OnTriggerStay function is modded to call SetSinking for an EnemyAI. OnTriggerStay is called every frame the enemy is in the quicksand's hitbox.
The dev knew about this as that's how the mod increases an enemy's "SinkingValue". Once an enemy's SinkingValue reaches the configured time limmit, kill enemy is called.
But the dev must've forgotten to make it to not call SetSinking if the enemy is dead, or make it so the Sinking Timer value is set to 0 and stopped when it calls KillEnemy() in the if statement.
So the mod will just be in an infinite loop of just calling KillEnemy() because the SinkingValue stays at the time limit.

[south apex]

Quicksand acting like water would be cool

[bronze plover]

how would i make sure this doesn't happen on my moon im making, i tried using the onion spawn object thing listed on the wiki page from lethal min, why is it over there. 😭

it does work nomally, when it finally decides to combine, but still inconvenient.

[bronze plover]

after changing their positioning, it fucked them up even more.

now all of them go away from the ship 😭

even the fused one moves over to the same spot

[tiny sable]

thats a bug

[bronze plover]

or is something wrong with how it's setup?

[tiny sable]

a bug with lethalmin

will fix

[bronze plover]

👍

ty

atleast, the weird position change stays consistently after a change, trial n error might work.

[compact elk]

I wasn't able to find one.

[frail mirage]

heyo note is it possible for you to add custom pikmin types to the config?

no pressure again

[south apex]

actually I'm pretty sure there is a config for this in Lethalmin

its called, "Generate Pikmin Configs" or something like that

it does custom types too

[harsh umbra]

It happened again, but this time on Wesley's Etern, also Flooded this time

Wonder if it's actually some weird crossover conflict between Lethalmin, Weather, and Wesley's Moons

Okay... Now it did delete my pikmin this time, and it's not saving any new ones I put in

[harsh umbra]

Hopefully restarting fixes it

Hm... Okay...

[quaint echo]

Do you accept?

[harsh umbra]

So I did get most of my pikmin back, but I had to sacrifice a specific type

Putting in a type overwrites the old number of that type, but saves the rest

and you must leave the moon without leaving any pikmin behind

Otherwise the new number doesn't save, and jsut makes all types 0 again

Well, at least Winged Pikmin finally have a use

[quaint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/fishphone-gif-13874695746678282474

[short chasm]

Does the LethalMin Pikmin 3 Mod still work? Its marked as deprecated

[dense turret]

lethalmin has pikmin 3 pikmin by default now i think

[tiny sable]

Not really because it uses the old lethalmin library. (While it does work with the newer one the animations will be broken) , and every pikmin type is already in the mod now

[short chasm]

oh okay
gotta catch up with the changelog

do the configs rewrite themselves when a certain new update that changes the config comes?

Its sad that what the "new" follow mode is isnt explained. or the new calculations for item weight

[short chasm]

the top entry enables the configuration of all the rest following below?

[tiny sable]

yes

[short chasm]

Is there a way to generally reduce the number of Pikmin needed to carry items in the config?

It seems a bit unrealistic that you need (I think it was) 14 Pikmins to carry a small metal sheet

@tiny sable

[marble mesa]

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
LethalMin.PikminEnemy.Update () (at ./Scripts/PikminEnemy.cs:84) me and my friend where on march and he was getting spammed this

0197f5e3-f35c-0a6d-f6e7-3d33b7647e4d

[short chasm]

i think the config i can live with is the old beta one which is there as an option

[quaint echo]

It was 10

Seems fair as it’s one of the heaver items.

It’s a pretty thick sheet I don’t think you know how heavy metal actually is when it’s a sheet

I mean cmon it’s friggin metal after all

[frail mirage]

dumb question but why are the numbers in the config negative?

is there a reason for that?

[tiny sable]

-1 means disabled

[tiny sable]

will look into that

[marble mesa]

Question was there a pikmin interior being made? not by you but by someone else?

[marble mesa]

[Error : Unity Log] OverflowException: Writing past the end of the buffer
Stack trace:
Unity.Netcode.FastBufferWriter.WriteValueSafe (System.String s, System.Boolean oneByteChars) (at <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_0011)
Unity.Netcode.BufferSerializerWriter.SerializeValue (System.String& s, System.Boolean oneByteChars) (at <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_0000)
Unity.Netcode.BufferSerializer1[TReaderWriter].SerializeValue (System.String& s, System.Boolean oneByteChars) (at <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_0000) LethalMin.PikminData.NetworkSerialize[T] (Unity.Netcode.BufferSerializer1[TReaderWriter] serializer) (at ./Scripts/PikminData.cs:36)
Unity.Netcode.FastBufferWriter.WriteNetworkSerializable[T] (T& value) (at <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_0019)
Unity.Netcode.FastBufferWriter.WriteNetworkSerializable[T] (T[] array, System.Int32 count, System.Int32 offset) (at <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_002D)
LethalMin.Onion.AddPikminClientRpc (LethalMin.PikminData[] dats) (at ./Scripts/Onion.cs:356)
LethalMin.PikminManager.LoadOnionData () (at ./Scripts/PikminManager.cs:2166)
LethalMin.PikminManager+<WaitForAllOnionsToInitalize>d__134.MoveNext () (at ./Scripts/PikminManager.cs:1593)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)

Now all the pikmin in the onion are gone

[marble mesa]

Ok new moon and some are back

[harsh umbra]

This happened to me before too, both times was on a modded moon that was flooded
Best way to fix it (for now) seems to be to sacrifice one of your types by finding one of that type, putting it in the onion, and leaving the moon
Make sure you leave no pikmin behind when you leave, or else the bug will persist

If you did everything correctly, you should have your pikmin back the next time you land

Personally, I always sacrifice my Winged pikmin when that happens since they're pretty much useless

[tiny sable]

that will be fixed next update

[tiny sable]

Yes by Pikmin 2 Modder JaySalt, but development progress is unknown.

[tiny sable]

wait

yes there is somthing wrong

theres a (1) after the name

it's supposed to be exactly
ONION_SPAWN_POINT_0
ONION_SPAWN_POINT_1
ONION_SPAWN_POINT_2

[bronze plover]

fixed that later on but one onion always went to the other spot.

[formal fog]

has the fair ai quicksand been addressed?

[glad mist]

No

It's broken

Like

It breaks any enemy

It's just Fair AI

[formal fog]

ah. damn

[glad mist]

I recommend down grading or just removing it

I removed it

[formal fog]

I honestly just have it so that mimics fight flamingos and other silly little things.

[glad mist]

Neat

[formal fog]

its nice that they can clear traps and all but I'm tired of hearing a billion death screams overlayed ontop of eachother. lmao

[tiny sable]

didn't you see the messages I sent explaining that Fair AI is just broken???

[marble mesa]

I was on Exp

[marble mesa]

They dont trigger mines

They fly over water

[harsh umbra]

Landmine triggers can be disabled in the config (or you can sacrifice a yellow to detonate the landmine if you want it to stay on)
Blues go through water and are slightly better fighters than Winged

[formal fog]

weird, went to pull out a couple purple pikmin on zeranos when my shipmate couldnt and it crashed them. Not sure if it is related but was also unable to enter orbit afterward.

[tiny sable]

if you are using the same/simular mod pack that you gave me to debug the glow pikmin. The it's most likely not LethalMin

[formal fog]

I've dropped quite a few mods from there (a big one was usefulzapgun) since and added a couple others.
Mostly what I'm worried about is that they saw 0 purples in the interface but I showed 4

and then the crash when I pulled them

[marble mesa]

You called them useless i was telling you how they aren't

just some idea i thought of maybe ice pikmin could freeze the slime allowing you to kill it?

[formal fog]

that sounds amazing

[quaint echo]

The bug or(and) the winged Pikmin being useless?

joking winged Pikmin are goated they just need a few more braincells

[tiny sable]

☝️

[quaint echo]

YOOO YOU FIXED THE WHISTLE BUG LETS GOOOO

[tiny sable]

-# I've might have caused another bug that makes the whistle's model go invivsble instead of the zone

[quaint echo]

[marble mesa]

Ya my whistle started vanishing

also despite that friendly fire is disabled i can kill my pikmin

[quaint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-you-what-what-did-you-do-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-19389913

[tiny sable]

For some clarification, no friendly fire only effects pikmin that are in your squad. Pikmin that are not in your squad can be killed by you.

[marble mesa]

Hmm it may be that

[marble mesa]

I was killing a bird near my pikmin

a bird with a horn for a head

[quaint echo]

I feel like Pikmin in ANY squad shouldnt be harmed by the player

[tiny sable]

this thing?

[marble mesa]

No modded

from biodiversity

[quaint echo]

Nvm (should be a config tho)

[quaint echo]

HEY WAIT A MINUTE IF PIKMIN IN YOUR SQUAD CANT BE KILLED BY YOU THEN WHY COULD THEY ATILL BE KILLED BY MY SHOTGUN

I can recall a time where I shot a dog with a gun and…. 15 Pikmin gone.

They were in my squad, not fighting.

[tiny sable]

when was that?

[quaint echo]

…..I don’t remember exactly.

[tiny sable]

⬛

[quaint echo]

i think it was the early access version you gave me

[tiny sable]

you know the early access versions were buggy, it could have just been bug with an early acess build

[quaint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-griffin-family-guy-falling-down-stairs-gif-22788721

[quaint echo]

Can you just check to see if Pikmin still die to shotguns shot by their leader

[quaint echo]

Noted

Btw do Pikmin that are fighting something count as “not in your squad”? I wanna fight alongside my Pikmin but I’m afraid I’ll accidentally kill them in the crossfire.

Like let’s say theres some Pikmin on a baboon hawk, and I hit said baboon hawk with a shovel, will those Pikmin also get hit?

[quaint echo]

Thank god

What about carrying Pikmin?

[tiny sable]

[quaint echo]

Dont know why youd be swinging a shovel when theres scrap around (besides maybe a scuffle with hoarding bugs) but hey I’m just curious

[marble mesa]

baboon hawks eyeless dogs and thumpers fear the white pikmin

[south apex]

volume warning

he is off to go buy imaginary groceries

[eternal pewter]

not sure if i should be reporting this to the lethal min thread or "Melanie Melicious's utility furniture" thread, but Pikmin seem to walk to the "ship fire exit" and then turn around or get stuck instead of entering...

[eternal pewter]

useful for when your pikmin accidently pick up an item you dont want to, so you uh... kill them... ( i feel like being able to pick up the item they are carrying to stop them from carring it would be good.)

[short chasm]

is creaturemin also in there now?

[tiny sable]

CreatureMin is a sperate mod, it has been updated for the full version.

[quaint echo]

Where “add funi ragdolls”?

[tiny sable]

farther down the list

[short chasm]

when i leave the moon with my ship and the doors closed... nothing happens afterwards. i dont get to the orbit

[quaint echo]

Oh ok

[short chasm]

i just had a problem with lethalmin saving the wrong onions in the save. also the pikmins i put in my pikmin container just disappeared from the save

[tiny sable]

could you provide your modpack code?

[quaint echo]

Bro fr went “give that shit back mf.”

[south apex]

This happened to me once when I was playing with you guys where the pikmin had the item and I grabbed it but the pikmin kept carrying the item but it was invisible, then I dropped it and the item became visible again.

[main blade]

Oreo posting

[next geyser]

bnuuy

[south apex]

pikmen

[remote tree]

Btw note, can we have a complete visual redo for the whistle? At least its zome, i would like it to match pikmin 1/2 or 3/4 (obv configurable) i think 3 and 4 have the same one, only issue i see is making the mimic’s

[quaint echo]

The mimics whistle might be the easiest one actually

It’s just yours but…. Ourple.

[remote tree]

The current mimic whistle has funny wonky bumps and a foggy texture

Pikmin 1’s is just pill shapes with an offset in a circle, so:

1. make it go backwards
2. Make the offsets a bit… offset from even
3. Make it heavily tinted ourple

[remote tree]

Ourple guy

[remote tree]

Anyone got ideas for 3/4

[remote tree]

Bnuuy,

[marble mesa]

Any mods for the outside in space?

celestial tint is outdated

[hot slate]

Coderebirth is a mod i use very often and it just had a pretty big update and now require rexuvination to work, is there any plans for lethalmin to have compatibility?

[marble mesa]

Water wraith got me fired

XD i went to gal to sell as it was last day

water wraith showed up it was foggy i tried to kill him and he killed me

[quaint echo]

You poor, poor bastard.

I am so sorry for your loss

[marble mesa]

Nah its good

its just funny

[quaint echo]

If that happened to me I’d probably leave the game and call note so I can yell at him

Again

[marble mesa]

XD

[tiny sable]

The compat with LethalMin and Galery was last minute, I just did it because it would be cool if pikmin would sell if Galery had a NavMesh. The last time I played it, it seemed like Galery didn't have any NavMesh so I'm not sure how people are getting pikmin to sell on Galery.

[quaint echo]

Theyre getting smarter without your knowledge

[marble mesa]

The mesh there is weird anyways

also [Warning: Unity Log] [Dissonance:Recording] (02:41:31.494) BasePreprocessingPipeline: Lost 960 samples in the preprocessor (buffer full), injecting silence to compensate does this error cause sound to vanish?

[tiny sable]

happens when theres lag

[marble mesa]

ah as i have had sound issues i thought i had dealt with it but i was wrong

i was on the black mesa interior a meteor shower started then the sounds stopped

Im a dumbass so i dont know

[tiny sable]

I think that's a thing with meteror showers in general

[marble mesa]

huh

well thats a problem given its base game XD

[signal grotto]

i second this

[south apex]

next we need a Glow Assault Rifle

[marble mesa]

Lmao

[harsh umbra]

There are some modded moons where pikmin won't move anywhere unless there's a second group carrying an item, Galetry is one of those moons

I would just heap all my scrap into a pile, then chuck purples at said pile until all the scrap was gone, then follow the last/slowest group and pick up their item when they are the only group still carrying something

There was also one time where all my pikmin grabbed my stuff, clipped into a hill and couldn't path out

But I think that was a bug with Company Navmesh

The only time it happened was when I had CompanyNavmesh installed, Galetry worked fine again once I uninstalled it

[marble mesa]

Olimar is not getting off the planet anytime soon

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

NEW BUG

I think

If you die to the nancy enemy in Code rebirth after being revived by the onion

You become immortal

and like you dont die you become a ghost of sorts

[tiny sable]

who is nancy

and Code Rebirth is like 50% incompatible with LethalMin btw

[glad mist]

WHAT

Is there plans for like

Compat?

Also yeah

Rexuvination

Does not play nice either

[tiny sable]

Actually the mod recently gotten updated to prevent the bug with Pikmin not noticeing the whistle zones

-# but code rebirth targets and old version for some reason

oh wait

[glad mist]

?

[tiny sable]

i'mma check somthing

ok nvm Rexuvination does work with LethalMin now

[glad mist]

OH

Can we do patches now?

Or like some things

dont work

[tiny sable]

who's nacy

[glad mist]

SORRY

I CHECKED AGAIN

ITS "Mistress"

It basically like chops your head off with a gullotine

But leaves a talking head?

BUT

When youre revived

Ig since its trying to spawn the body?

And when youre revived

you kinda turn into a ghost it cant and then bugs out

And then on top of more bugs

Pikmin lose their way in the new wesleys interiors

This is why being a dev is a nightmare so many changes

[glad mist]

LITERALLY

[tiny sable]

tried ot spawn 12 pikmin but spawned 12 peace keepers instead

[hot slate]

purple pikmins according to water wraith

[tiny sable]

you can now rudely take items from pikmin (config disabled by default)

[south apex]

couldn't you already steal items from pikmin

[marble mesa]

no you could not

[south apex]

I did steal an item from a pikmin though I swear

actually

maybe its cause they weren't actually carrying it

and instead trying to lift it

[marble mesa]

Ya you can take it from them when they are trying to pik it up

[tiny sable]

aw man XL Scrap is decrepated, I was thinking about adding compat for that mod.

also I noticed that Wesleys grand armory interior has a whole tile that just does not have a navmesh. Which could be part of the reason pathfinding is busted in there.

Not sure if he fixed it with the latest update

[remote tree]

Why the heck doesnt it have a navme- wait i know, so the old bird cant move? Or does that not matter

[tiny sable]

that's just a map prop

[remote tree]

Oh ok then i dont know why no navmesh

[tiny sable]

probably forgot to include one for that tile

[remote tree]

Thats so stupid yet reasonable…

[tiny sable]

I am so tempted to just make a mod that automatically generates a navmesh for interiors after they are generated. To prevent pikmin getting stuck in interiors with mistakes like this.

[marble mesa]

Ya thats probably a good idea

90% of wesleys maps and interiors cause pikmin issues which suck as they are amazing maps

but the rubber rooms

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-nintendo-headphone-gif-10550175932765292721

[tiny sable]

and nope, that one tile still has a missing navmesh

[hot slate]

doesn't it activate when the apparatus is taken?

[tiny sable]

leeme check

I think it does, sometimes

because I pulled it once and only like one oldbird spawned, but another time none spawned

[glad mist]

AWESOME

[glad mist]

Yeah wesley

Is making unique stuf

[tiny sable]

Looking at LC's code it seems like the game already generates a NavMesh for the interior, rather than having the interior itself have a NavMesh for each tile using DunGen's NavMeshAdapter.
Because looking at each tile's game object, none of them have a NavMeshSurface component on them.

Which is odd because the tutorial I used for a custom interior I was making said that I had to make a NavMesh for each tile

[south apex]

I tried making two interiors that I stopped, and yeah the game automatically generates Navmesh

[tiny sable]

maybe wheasly set the floors to the wrong layer so the game didn't generate a NavMesh for some tiles

like this other tile that doesn't have a NavMesh

[south apex]

oh right I forgot thats a thing that can do it

[tiny sable]

That's exactly what happened.
These are the only layers that the game will generate NavMeshes for

But the floor in that room is set to the defult layer, and so the game doesn't generate a NavMesh for it

[south apex]

might wanna tell Wesley that if he doesn't know it yet

[marble mesa]

hehehehe im gunna need a pluckaphone for this

[south apex]

dear lord

what happened

[marble mesa]

Boom birds

what happens to pikmin that are plucked and there are max pikmin

do they gat placed in the onion?

as i have seen them vanish

[south apex]

They teleport into the onion

[marble mesa]

kk

[quaint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/tall-grass-cut-grass-trim-mow-lawn-grass-gif-11944116

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

Rexuvination is

Doing something I think

[quaint echo]

No it’s not

[tiny sable]

wdym

[quaint echo]

That always happens to purples when they carry that

it’s normal

[glad mist]

So

On

Or the mineshaft

[quaint echo]

Er, normal for the game.

[glad mist]

Pikmin are now

Lost AGAIN

Why always the mineshaft

[quaint echo]

so am I just a ghost or……..?

[tiny sable]

https://youtu.be/mgQOEPWxp7c?si=BN9IsKeKewRLK-6t

[glad mist]

No no

Sorry Bucket

I heard u

[marble mesa]

I may just get sellenemybodies as monsters keep getting on my ship preventing the pikmin from taking it

[quaint echo]

Note should fix that

[marble mesa]

question how far does the pikmin caller go?

[south apex]

infinite

[quaint echo]

Infinite

[south apex]

I think

[tiny sable]

dang you 2 are on it

[quaint echo]

It’s infinite

[marble mesa]

k does it reach them while they are inside?

[quaint echo]

YES THATS LITERALLY ITS ENTIRE PURPOSE

[south apex]

notes legs

[quaint echo]

when we say infinite we mean it

[marble mesa]

Im asking because during a inside fight i lost 38 pikmin

[quaint echo]

Why are you obsessed with this image

[tiny sable]

yes any idle pikmin on the map will be effected by the signal, the only pikmin that aren't effected are "wild pikmin" pikmin that are spawned indoors that haven't been whistled

[south apex]

Notes legs are beautiful

[marble mesa]

and the caller did not call them back

[quaint echo]

[south apex]

Left Behind and Lost are different things

[quaint echo]

Does he mean lost as it they died or lost as in you couldn’t find them

[marble mesa]

sorry my bad they were alive but i LOST them

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/longissimus-capitis-extension-and-hyperextension-extension-hyperextension-cervical-spine-gif-25306760

[quaint echo]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

[marble mesa]

no they were alive

[tiny sable]

how much time was left in the day, the could have not made it in time

[quaint echo]

I think the caller calls them in a way where they always make it to the ship in a single file line

[marble mesa]

I was on the planet for a while after and they were white pikmin

[south apex]

they will all take the same route so I think that is true

[marble mesa]

Im a do some tests

[quaint echo]

so some Pikmin will stay still while the signal is activated while the Pikmin “before” it heads to the ship

it’s like one at a time but not really idk how to explain it

[marble mesa]

it happened twice it may be navigation

[quaint echo]

It’s not all of them at once, but it IS all of them.

[marble mesa]

the first time they were trying to pick up a butler body

[tiny sable]

There is a short delay between each pikmin responding to the signal to prevent lag

so if there were 100 pikmin that were idel it would take 10 seconds for the last pikmin to start going back to the ship

[marble mesa]

k

I left these guys trying to pick something up and left some others nearby then called

these guys where left here

[tiny sable]

first of all

second of all could you provide a modpack code?

[south apex]

dear lord

[marble mesa]

What about that?

[south apex]

this

[tiny sable]

never seen a LethalMin player get over 1000 pikmin

[marble mesa]

Those are in the onion

[south apex]

oh yeah forgor

also yeah I've never seen anyone with 1000 pikmin

[marble mesa]

White pikmin and lots of hawks and dogs

[marble mesa]

019806d5-a268-d70c-e7e0-c5659a0a20ef

[marble mesa]

Lethalmin needed updating mid game

XD

[marble mesa]

also the reason i have so much pikmin these guys come in packs right to my door step

[tardy quarry]

boombirds are pretty much pikmin farms. it's great.

Anyway, any reason why blue pikmins suddenly forget they can breathe underwater and just scream really loud then die? apparently it's because I use fairai

I will say though, I love this mod so much it's pretty much one of my go-to mods, right up there with more company, facilitymetldown, pizzatowerescape, and mirage as "always installs"

[marble mesa]

Do you have FairAi??

ah i see

the edit XD

[tardy quarry]

Yeah, was reading up and saw the reason.

Damn, really like FairAI too

it's always funny to hear a distant yippie followed by an explosion

kinda weird that fairai breaks blues being able to be in water too. shame I can't just disable the quicksand part

[quaint echo]

[green imp]

what interior is that

[glad mist]

Me too I wanna know

[tiny sable]

@green imp @glad mist
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DemonMae/Raven_Manor_Interior/

[green imp]

thx

[marble mesa]

Playing with the pikmin is so fun

[harsh umbra]

Agreed!

It's fun full clearing a moon, very satisfying

[formal fog]

One day i'll be able to enjoy zeranos again. Maybe. For now, gotta find some maps that are peak for lethalmin

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

Woah...

[glad mist]

Of course it's louie

[plush pike]

I vote for this

[quaint echo]

We actually made zeranos one of the few specific modded moons that are fully compatible with LethalMin

[formal fog]

Yeah it just has a lot of its own issues, main one being that you cannot enter orbit properly after going there (unless its another mod pissing it off, removing zeranos fixes the issue tho)

I tried getting help for that issue but everyone in its thread just told me to stop using the mod, not worth trying to find the actual problem.

[tiny sable]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/NotezyTeam/InteriorNavMeshFixer/

here's an example, normally Pikmin are unable to path up the ladder in the Sector0 Interior. (ignore the CodeRebirth stuff)

[signal grotto]

:D

[marble mesa]

You can open it?

[novel turtle]

ye if you click it it opens 🙂

[marble mesa]

I did not know that

i just sold it

[quaint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/creaming-gif-24846469

[glad mist]

DUDE

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-duck-song-gif-15570637239763580180

[quaint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-discord-mod-post-luigi-gif-25261697

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-discord-mod-post-luigi-gif-25261697

[marble mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-discord-mod-post-luigi-gif-25261697

[marble mesa]

oof

and thats it im cursed

[marble mesa]

Ok i think luigis mansion is just bad

the pikmin dont follow they just clump on the ship

and inside they ether clump by main or walk in a line somewhere

[dense turret]

locker compatibility hell yeah

[marble mesa]

Its been there

[marble mesa]

hmm no it happens on exp so ima test and get rid of wider ship

sorry 2 story ship

nope f### me

[marble mesa]

the weird navigation for the pikmin was fixed by using the legacybehind follow so yay

[harsh umbra]

So I don't know if something broke or if I'm just not using the correct format, but I can't blacklist items for Pikmin anymore

Despite having this in my config, the little bastards still ran off with my Pluckaphone

The weird thing is, it used to work

Does it need to have parenthesis around it now?

[harsh umbra]

Holy shit LethalMin just shit itself over something

...I think LethalMin just crashed me

Something with the whistle broke if I'm reading this correctly

UnityEngine.AudioSource.Stop () (at <2b2e47a8d13e478fbaa048194b560eac>:IL_0001)
LethalMin.WhistleItem.WhistleUseOnLocalClient (System.Boolean IsButtonDown) (at ./Scripts/WhistleItem.cs:536)
LethalMin.WhistleItem.OnWhistleCanceled (UnityEngine.InputSystem.InputAction+CallbackContext callbackContext) (at ./Scripts/WhistleItem.cs:223)
UnityEngine.InputSystem.Utilities.DelegateHelpers.InvokeCallbacksSafe[TValue] (UnityEngine.InputSystem.Utilities.CallbackArray`1[System.Action`1[TValue]]& callbacks, TValue argument, System.String callbackName, System.Object context) (at <dbb0ce7b96144bd8bcbcb8b0d765f970>:IL_001B)
UnityEngine.InputSystem.LowLevel.<>c__DisplayClass7_0:<set_onUpdate>b__0(NativeInputUpdateType, NativeInputEventBuffer*)
UnityEngineInternal.Input.NativeInputSystem:NotifyUpdate(NativeInputUpdateType, IntPtr)```

[remote tree]

I heard duck song thing, if you make him turn pikmin into grapemin, i will re-enable duck song

[remote tree]

How where what mod

[glad mist]

Pikscrap

[tiny sable]

the error is being thrown from this line of code.
Do you have any mods that mess with the audio in some way?

[tiny sable]

'Pluckaphone' is spelt diffently than that (captolization matters) it's spelt "PluckAphone"

whoops, it's actually spelt "PluckAPhone" Internally. Not sure why the scan node shows it differently

[short chasm]

is lethalmin ever going to be compatible with problematic pilotry? i guess its hard to make it work together as the ship doesnt have a fixed landing point

[tiny sable]

theres an incompat?

[tardy quarry]

Pikmin work fine for me on Luigi’s Mansion. Maybe it’s one of your mods that break it? Or maybe one of mine that makes it work.

[marble mesa]

Ya no i know its a mod given they did the same thing on EXP fucken dont know what given most of my mods are interiors and monsters

I fixed it by making them follow behind and not the main one

[marble mesa]

Oh its everything

Something fucked the nav mesh hard

[tiny sable]

could it be my experimental NavMesh fixer for interiors?

[marble mesa]

I really dont think so given i may have seen the pikmin do this before

But ima test

These are my mods rn

[marble mesa]

No wait it cant be as i did a test that added that and the pikmin and nothing went wrong

Ima pull out my hair i swear

Good think note its not your mod the nav mesh fixer is disabled rn

[tiny sable]

phew

[marble mesa]

This is strange as your mod and StarlancerAIFix are the only nav mesh mod i have and i tested with both

and they are not the issue

its only with the default follow mode the legacybehind does not do this

[tiny sable]

legecybehind is the default

[marble mesa]

I feel cursed everytime i mod a game be it lethal or minecraft i encounter abug

Oh well the New follow is how these guys break

Huh

the new follow was the mod that was on by default for me

OR NOT????? this is a test profile i removed and redownloaded lethalmin

The world is messing with me

https://tenor.com/view/omori-gif-8416820445116395411

[marble mesa]

THEY NOW SUDDENLY WORK

😭

[tiny sable]

average modding experience

[marble mesa]

the pikmin work the enemys still go on top of my ship

[tardy quarry]

If you mean boombirds, yeah. That’s normal. They nest up there and fuck with the ship

That’s pretty much their point

[marble mesa]

Wait

[tardy quarry]

Their second unintentional point is they make nice Pikmin fodder once you get an onion

[marble mesa]

they are supposed to go ON to the ship?

[tardy quarry]

Yes

[marble mesa]

Huh

welp im dumb

[tardy quarry]

They rest up there and fuck with the lights and doors, make noise, and draw other boombirds to the ship

[marble mesa]

The time the pikmin were bugged and clumping on a spot on EXP the birds went onto the ship so i thought the nav mesh was fucked

[tardy quarry]

Nope that’s normal behavior.

[harsh umbra]

I got a few, but not sure which one would break like this
This is the first time I got an error like this

[harsh umbra]

So... Which one do I use

Also for items with spaces in the name, do I include the spaces or no

like "Gold Crown" from LCGoldScrapMod

[remote tree]

Also, these do definitely look tasty, i see why loouie eated thems

[marble mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/louie-pikmin-pikmin-3-louie-food-louie-tied-up-louie-jump-gif-4621056113604856280

[tiny sable]

the one where I corrected my self obviously

PluckAPhone

[harsh umbra]

Gotcha, ty

[harsh umbra]

Since I can't find a thread for it on this Discord...
@tiny sable I think Singleplayer Pause causes animation desyncs in enemies? Giants and Masked have a chance to jsut start sliding around whenever the mod is active

and when I say "slide around" I mean "become completely silent killers"

[tiny sable]

I've had that happen too with other enemies, not sure how that can happen, not entirely sure if it's Singleplayer Pause as I've seen it hapen before I made that mod

[harsh umbra]

Hm... I think Singleplayer Pause may make the problem worse in that case, cuz I only get the animation-desynced enemies with it installed

I wonder what causes it

[iron sky]

ALRIGHT WHERE IS THAT BIRD FROM

I feel like im gonna fuckin crash out bro

[marble mesa]

The boom birds?

[iron sky]

I don't know where this fuck ass bird came from

[iron sky]

Yes

[marble mesa]

Biodiversity

[iron sky]

Actually that honestly makes a lot of sense

[marble mesa]

XD

[iron sky]

Thought it was a mod I didn't know about that I had somehow

I wondered because one faithful Ultra Modded Lethal game

I saw them fuckers

and was confused sense

[marble mesa]

Picking up an onion right when it leaves fucks your controls

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB+<GrabObject>d__396.MoveNext () (at <31f0351006d541aeb5ae92a12fc7161b>:IL_00E3)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)

My bad

[tiny sable]

yep, thats in the known bugs list on the github repo

[marble mesa]

XD

[tiny sable]

https://github.com/NoteBoxz/LethalMin

[marble mesa]

My bad

XD

Question tho is the Interaction bug still in the game normally or did zeekers fix it?

[tiny sable]

not sure

It's kind of hard to cause the bug without mods as far as I can remeber

[marble mesa]

ah good then

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

Trying so hard with the uh Armory

EVEN USED YOUR uh... Navmesh mod

Nothign is working

[tiny sable]

do you have any other mods?
has it worked once with the NavMesh mod?
was this the first round since starting the game?

[formal fog]

Gods... I just realized why my friend is constantly crashing and now theres nothing I can do about it if she wants to play lethalmin.

I don't know why, but a lot of mods that make loading/networking better, make it worse on her end. monodetour included

freakin rip

even stuff that makes the camera resolution better, makes hers worse

[formal fog]

all of the pikmin just slamming the shit out of the button in the playplace elevator makes me giggle everytime. Is it a little frustrating when your in a hurry? sure, but the thought of EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM just slapping the piss out of it is pure joy.

[signal grotto]

Do the Pikmin 4 Onions just not make sound when leaving or landing?

[tiny sable]

Yes

because I couldn't find proper sounds that I could use for their leaving/landing animatoins

[remote tree]

Like that ingame i think

[remote tree]

Or this

I may misremembering

[signal grotto]

Ah i see

thanks for answering

[glad mist]

Yes

[glad mist]

First round I don't think I checked if it worked with the others cause that's the one that breaks the most

[glad mist]

Tons of other mods

[tiny sable]

It is relatively easy to get over 1000 pikmin when using SellbodiesFixed as enemy bodies give more pikmin

[iron sky]

Do the Pikmin like

carry enemies without the mod too?

or no

[tiny sable]

they do

[iron sky]

Oh

But if SellBodiesFixed is installed

does it

automatically disable that feature in favor of that mod?

[tiny sable]

yes

[dapper sapphire]

more specifically if pikmin grab onto a body then they will bring it back to their onion if an onion is already there, but you can still sell it for scrap if you want. from what ive played thats the case at least

[formal fog]

I have that washing machine mod so unless I really need more pikmin now I usually bring the body to the ship, wash it, and then turn it into more pikmin (it gives you a seperate coin item for the full worth of the scrap washed)

[formal fog]

something something lethalpikmin picking things up something something sound? (this is my friends log)

[tiny sable]

what?

[formal fog]

Those were the errors we saw when one of our players crashed, unsure if it was related

[tiny sable]

Hmmmm

[formal fog]

tbh it may not have caused their crash now that I think of it. they kind of have a 20% chance of crashing on like every error or warning it seems.

[tiny sable]

When a unity game closes, every gameobject in the game is destroyed. This can sometimes cause scripts that are running code to throw null reference errors right before the game is closed. By looking at the log, I can see the whistle null reference error is thrown after the game mentions disconnecting due to the crash. So it is most likely he sound error not the cause of the crash.

[formal fog]

I see

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

OH MY FUCKING GOD

I FINALLY FIGURED OUT THE BUG FOR THE BROKEN PIKMIN GUI

Okay so basically any mod that revives a player breaks the GUI IF REVIVED

Dude

[marble mesa]

Damn

[tiny sable]

what was the broken Pikmin GUI bug again?

[glad mist]

KkH basically

You try to open the GUI and the screen is just blank or black

No Pikmin selection no nothing

[tiny sable]

KkH?

[glad mist]

Kk

OK

I meant to say Okay basically

Mb

[tiny sable]

alr

[glad mist]

But yeah

Die and then revive and try to access the onion

Nothing!

[tiny sable]

What revive mod have you used to cause this bug to occour?

[glad mist]

I guess the game kinda freaks out you're alive again

[glad mist]

Emergency dice

Specifically emergency dices revive

[tiny sable]

Does that only work in multiplayer?

[marble mesa]

The harp ghosts harp is strange

[glad mist]

No

It has a super awesome debug menu

[tiny sable]

how do I access that btw

[glad mist]

Config!

[tiny sable]

I have the config on yet I don't see a way to open it

[glad mist]

Under the admin tab

Using...

Like a mod manager config

Or utils

Also it's Numpad Minus or -

[tiny sable]

ah alr

[glad mist]

Finally figured it out I was so stumped dude

[tiny sable]

It has to do with this variable

Some mods with a revive function forget to call this function when reviving the player

This function basically makes the player's hud fade back in after being revived when it fades out upon death

So because emergency dice doesn't call this, hudHidden is still set to true

Which makes LethalMin automatically close the Onion HUD

[glad mist]

So...

Should I go ask Slayer?

[tiny sable]

Probably, yeah

Usually when revive mods don't call that function, the players hud stays invisible when revived. But this doesn't happen with emergency dice for some reason.

[glad mist]

So if I was to ask slayer

What would he need to change

[tiny sable]

Just add a line of code like this to the revive function

if (playerControllerB.IsOwner)
{
   HUDManager.Instance.HideHUD(false);
}```

[marble mesa]

The cheese moon has the worst fire exit XD

[main blade]

Spotted in the wild

[frail mirage]

May I suggest something?

[tiny sable]

sure

[frail mirage]

You know the pellets that come from the flowers?

I think it would be great if you can buy them from the store

The reason I suggest this is that way you have a way to gather more pikmin without taking down monsters

[tiny sable]

I was thinking about making an "Extras" mod to implement Pellet posies and Cadypop buds. But I haven't gotten around to starting work on that.

[marble mesa]

Oh ya that would be neat

[marble mesa]

I got pushed under the map by the ship

i survive and get out

go into the building

only for the water wraith to fall on my head and kill me

[signal grotto]

i finally found out what was causing the inexplicable winged pikmin deaths lmao

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/instant-death-instant-death-magic-instant-death-magic-gif-26249299

[marble mesa]

Survival of the fittest

[formal fog]

whats the funi onion option?

and giant whistle

[tiny sable]

enable it and find out

[formal fog]

👀

[signal grotto]

a rather angry (and british) onion

[formal fog]

lmao the onion

if I randomize generations, will the onion randomly split when it chooses pikmin 1/2?

I imagine not, just curious.

[signal grotto]

probably not since the pikmin 1/2 onions can merge here

but that’s just a guess

[formal fog]

ahh, sweet

[hexed olive]

what is wrong in this image btw

[marble mesa]

One of my mods was causing the pikmin when the new follow mode is active they would path find into a single spot on the map

[hexed olive]

Ah gotcha, thought it had to do with Boom birds

[marble mesa]

No i thought it was all enemys but no

Just the pikmin and new follow mode

[signal grotto]

i’ve had this happen too, actually
i don’t know what causes it

[marble mesa]

Surfaced's clownhornfish causes infinite speed boost else i would have it

i know its a mod on my end but i dont know what it could be

[main blade]

Yeah sometimes it glitches out

[marble mesa]

im sure it was a mod of mine

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-time-teabow-meme-shark-sharknado-gif-20345694

[marble mesa]

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
MattyFixes.Patches.ItemPatches+NetworkSpawnPatch.Postfix (Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour __instance) (at ./Plugin/src/Patches/ItemPatches.cs:155)
(wrapper dynamic-method) Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour.DMDUnity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour::OnNetworkSpawn(Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour.VisibleOnNetworkSpawn () (at <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_0000)
UnityEngine.Debug:LogException(Exception)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour:VisibleOnNetworkSpawn()
Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject:InvokeBehaviourNetworkSpawn()
Unity.Netcode.NetworkSpawnManager:SpawnNetworkObjectLocallyCommon(NetworkObject, UInt64, Boolean, Boolean, UInt64, Boolean)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkSpawnManager:SpawnNetworkObjectLocally(NetworkObject, UInt64, Boolean, Boolean, UInt64, Boolean)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject:SpawnInternal(Boolean, UInt64, Boolean)
LethalMin.PikminManager:ConvertEnemyToGrabbableObjectServerRpc(NetworkObjectReference) (at ./Scripts/PikminManager.cs:916)
LethalMin.PikminManager:__rpc_handler_3917132973(NetworkBehaviour, FastBufferReader, __RpcParams)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers:Handle(NetworkContext&, RpcMetadata&, FastBufferReader&, __RpcParams&)
Unity.Netcode.ServerRpcMessage:Handle(NetworkContext&)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour:__endSendServerRpc(FastBufferWriter&, UInt32, ServerRpcParams, RpcDelivery)
LethalMin.PikminManager:ConvertEnemyToGrabbableObjectServerRpc(NetworkObjectReference) (at ./Scripts/PikminManager.cs:899)
LethalMin.PikminAI:GetClosestEnemy(Single) (at ./Scripts/PikminAI.cs:2619)
LethalMin.PikminAI:HandleIdleStateOnOwnerClient() (at ./Scripts/PikminAI.cs:953)
LethalMin.PikminAI:DoAIInterval() (at ./Scripts/PikminAI.cs:852)
LethalMin.PikminAI:ModifiedUpdate() (at ./Scripts/PikminAI.cs:795)
LethalMin.PikminAI:Update() (at ./Scripts/PikminAI.cs:569)

I dont think lethalmin likes mattyfixes

[south apex]

Lethalmin for some reason doesn't like most fix mods

[harsh umbra]

Now, I'm no modder so you can tell me if this is a stupid idea but
If Masked are able to exit/enter interiors, but Pikmin can't (sometimes), why not just hijack the Masked's code that lets it go in and out of interiors for the Pikmin?

or build on the Masked's code, cuz I imagine there has to be extra hurdles to make carried items go through as well

[tiny sable]

sorry but that would not even remotely work

and why would they need to do that anyways?

the already go in and out when following/carrying items

[harsh umbra]

There are some modded moons where they don't go out

It's not too much of a hassle since I always check new moons first and then disable "Path Outside" if they get stuck inside

But just figured I'd bring it up

In other news though... I think I've found the single heaviest thing in modding (at least for pikmin to carry)

[tiny sable]

that can some times happen if a modded moon doesn't have a proper navmesh that allows the pikmin to path from an exit to the ship.

[harsh umbra]

1302

[harsh umbra]

Ah, that makes sense, there are some fire exits on some of Wesley's Moons where they require player interaction in order to navigate them

I'm guessing if one Fire Exit doesn't work, it breaks the entire ability to exit interiors?

[tiny sable]

They should automaticly go to an exit that allows them to path to straight to the ship

for example they skip the fire exit on assurance because it's fire exit doesn't allow them to get down

[harsh umbra]

Ah okay

Hm... Myabe at some point in the future I'll try to learn how to make navmeshs

Make a replacement navmesh for modded moons so Pikmin can work on it

If InteriorNavMeshFixer also doesn't work, I mean

...I should probably try InteriorNavMeshFixer first

swear I had that installed

[dry hedge]

borb

[harsh umbra]

Christ what is that

[dry hedge]

[marble mesa]

Cabinet

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1389307609974050990

[harsh umbra]

That's pretty heavy... But a few hundred off from mine

[tiny sable]

wait, what Item is that?

[marble mesa]

How much was that?

[harsh umbra]

New enemy from Wesley's Moons

[marble mesa]

it looks like its 130

[harsh umbra]

It's a reskin of a Forest Guardian, with a shit ton more HP

Nah

not 130

1302

That's why the numbers are all jumbled up like that

[dry hedge]

That's insane

[marble mesa]

Thats crazy

[tiny sable]

the pikmin carry counter overlaps because I didn't plan for an item to weigh over 999

[dry hedge]

With the pikmin cap you can't even carry that

[harsh umbra]

Reasonably so

Nothing in the -actual- pikmin series was ever this heavy

[marble mesa]

question tho how do the pikmin get a number of how much needed to carry and item or enemy?

[harsh umbra]

I just raised the cap on pikmin squad size

It's in the config

Don't even need to restart the game

[dry hedge]

I believe its based on weight

[harsh umbra]

Nah

[dry hedge]

Oh?

[harsh umbra]

I think it's HP

[dry hedge]

I was also talking about items

[harsh umbra]

I didn't kill this guy with Pikmin, I set him on fire with the ZapGun

and he took a good 3 mins to burn

and burning Forest Guardians normally drop dead in seconds

so... yeah

[signal grotto]

what’s the shiploot-like label at right?

[dry hedge]

You can burn them with the zap gun?

[harsh umbra]

he has a lot of hp

[marble mesa]

huh well then The gold items is weird then

[harsh umbra]

ye, I'm pretty sure that's vanilla too

[dry hedge]

Cool

[marble mesa]

As i found a golden engine and it only took 1 pikmin to carry

[harsh umbra]

Items don't have hp, and GOldScrap is buggy lol

[marble mesa]

Thats fair

[harsh umbra]

But hey, I won't complain if an item that weighs nearly 80lbs only takes one pikmin to carry it

[dry hedge]

Right

[marble mesa]

Prob gunna get rid of it likely dont know what it will break

[harsh umbra]

Nah keep it

GoldScrap is super cool

I've been using it in my modpack for a couple months now

er, I meant "It's safe to keep"

Don't let me, a random internet stranger, tell you how to use your modpack

[tiny sable]

I think it's ShipLootPlus

[harsh umbra]

Oh oops, yeah it is

My bad

This is my config for it if you want yours to look exactly like mine, just throw it into wherever your .cfgs are

[signal grotto]

ah i see

well excuse me for having fun

[signal grotto]

now i’m wondering how anyone gets enough scrap to make it to day 185 😵‍💫

[harsh umbra]

Three things
Quota Rollover
Extend Deadline
and a lot of save scumming

[signal grotto]

that explains it all 😭

[formal fog]

can someone try and confirm whether or not Pikmin existing shunts you through elevators sometimes? especially on Zeranos

There isn't any error and we cannot figure out what it could be. Pikmin aren't always involved when it happens but they seem to increase the likelihood

for me (the host) it happens without moving. for other players they are fine until they try to go through the door

in the normal mines interior, sometimes touching the elevator just instantly kills you and deletes your body as well as whatever pikmin touched it the moment you did.

[tiny sable]

There used to be an issue in the beta that caused pikmin to make the player clip out of the mineshaft elevator. Because I forgot to make it so Pikmin don't push the player on collision.

That has been fixed in the full version. But it looks like the pikmin still push the player here, it could be a fix mod that changes player/enemy collision.

I tend to avoid base game tweak/fix mods because they sometimes end up causing more issues than fixes in larger packs.

[formal fog]

Hmm.. I don't think any of the fixes I have currently mess with anything like that, but it could be a freak bug.

[tiny sable]

This error is caused by one of Matty's fixes. Specify the one that fixes the lightning particles on an item. And happens when LethalMin converts an enemy to an item that Pikmin can carry.
LethalMin does some janky things to make enemies grabbable which does confuse Matty's fixes

The error is thrown by the first line of this if statement in Matty's fixes.
Which is ran directly after an item gets spawned in.

if (itemType.isConductiveMetal &&
   MattyFixes.PluginConfig.ReadableMeshes.Enabled.Value &&
   MattyFixes.PluginConfig.ReadableMeshes.FixLightning.Value &&
   !MattyFixes.PluginConfig.LightingParticle.Enabled.Value)

What this code does is just checks if an Item's item properties has it marked as conductive, meaning it can get targeted by lighting.
And if the player has it configured to fix lightning particles.

When LethalMin converts an enemy to an item, this code is ran on the server.

GameObject enemyGrabObject = Instantiate(LethalMin.EnemyItemNode, enemy.transform.position, enemy.transform.rotation);
enemyGrabObject.name = "EnemyItemNode_" + enemy.enemyType.enemyName;
NetworkObject enemyGrabNetworkObject = enemyGrabObject.GetComponent<NetworkObject>();
enemyGrabNetworkObject.Spawn();

SyncEnemyToGrabbableObjectConversionClientRpc(enemy.NetworkObject, enemyGrabNetworkObject);

What this code does is spawn in a dummy grabbable object that will be used to make an enemy grabbable.
This dummy grabbable object doesn't have any item properties attached to it when it spawns in.
Because Item Properties need to vary between enemies, and since item properties are Scriptable Objects.
LethalMin can't just have one Item Properties to be shared with multiple dummy objects.
So SyncEnemyToGrabbableObjectConversionClientRpc gives the dummy object item properties after it spawns in.

But Matty's fixes expects an item to always have item properties attached to it when it spawns in.
So because Matty's fixes code runs directly after the dummy object is spawned in,
Matty's Fixes attempts to check the dummy object's item properties before it is properly given one.

Causing the null reference error.

[main blade]

Hulk hogan died

[tiny sable]

Sometimes, mods do some things that go against the game's internal design. This can be an issue with fix mods as they sometime they rely on the game's internal design to be kept.
Like this for example.
With LC's internal game design, items usually have item properties attached to they when the get spawned in. But LethalMin goes against that by not having item properties attached to the dummy item when it gets spawned in.

[marble mesa]

Welp oof

[formal fog]

Hmm, is it just the lightning setting for matty's, or something else that can't be turned off by users?

I don't actually have many "fix" mods left, so I'm kind of at a loss as to which one might be giving them temporary collision.

[tiny sable]

It looks like matty's fixes primailry fixes items/objects and not enemies to I don't see anything that could give them collision

[tiny sable]

also because the item properties is checked BEFORE the configs, disabling the lightning fix will not prevent the error from being thrown.

[chilly blaze]

that's a good catch. i should move the check to after and add a null check just in case

[marble mesa]

Here they come with the spoils

Anyone order a T-rex?

[marble mesa]

Twice now i have been killed via falling thru the elevator of the mineshaft when i have a lot of pikmin never again

[tiny sable]

How many pikmin did you have with you?

[signal grotto]

i had this happen with 100 pikmin recently

i was waiting for them to enter the elevator with me and got pushed

[marble mesa]

100

[tiny sable]

hmmmm

[marble mesa]

I was messing with Lethal internship and pikmin and oh lord XD

[marble mesa]

the interns cannot be harmed by pikmin XD

[tiny sable]

I should probobly start adding modded entites to the default attack blacklist

Particularly:
All Workforce Entities from Code Rebirth (Don't attack the workforce!)
ClownHorn Fish from Surfaced (Pikmin aren't monsters)
Interns from Lethal Internship (Don't attack the unpaid interns)

[remote tree]

also add coilcrabs from biodiversity

they kill themselves all the time it sucks

[tiny sable]

The TeraSpace Interior is super buggy and unbalanced and I love it because of that. Because it somehow prevents enemies from spawning and spawns all scrap close by. However the fire exits are messed up and the call button on the elevators don't properly work so it is very possible to softlock your self by falling down a shaft

[marble mesa]

That reminds me some interiors are strange because even tho i have the interiornavmeshfixer some maps like Castellum Carnis and weslys museum there are spots the pikmin cant path past, and on weslys moons even if the interior is a vanilla one they cant seem to path outside

[signal grotto]

unrelated, but what’s the mod that shows this information?

[marble mesa]

Vega

[marble mesa]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/JS03/LC_VEGA/

[signal grotto]

oh i see

thanks

[marble mesa]

Oh shit my mod pack nolonger messes with the clownfish

Yay

so the clownhornfish from surfaced caused me to get infinite speed boost when i killed it

and it was likely one of my mods

[marble mesa]

are some of those from code rebirth?

[hexed olive]

yeah

[marble mesa]

huh

Does code rebirth work with the pikmin? it worked for me but i saw something related to hitboxes unless im dumb

the only problem i had with it was loading times

[tiny sable]

(no idea what happened with the audio)

[tiny sable]

Whoops put nancy twice

[south apex]

How'd only like 5 pikmin die from that 💔

[tiny sable]

from my guess, the pikmin that actually died where the ones caught by the locker.
The ones that got knocked back had the explosion damage negated because the door was closed.

[south apex]

oh I didn't even see the door closed

[marble mesa]

Wait did the game mute? or the recording

[tiny sable]

recording

[marble mesa]

ah

[dense turret]

even without audio the locker is intimidating

[dense turret]

the explosion is from the door being destroyed, but it deals zero damage

[tiny sable]

yeah that makes more since when looking back. Especially since the door got destroyed

[tiny sable]

It might be because the mesh for a tile's floor is unreadable, making it so navmesh can't be built.

[main blade]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-anakin-star-wars-gif-26783022

[south apex]

[marble mesa]

Little company allows you to get carried by the pikmin XD

[tiny sable]

XD

[marble mesa]

XD gunna take a while there

[marble mesa]

Im in space the hell?

[south apex]

what did you do

[round flare]

is there any known incompatibility? i loaded into a game and everything was broken + this is being spammed in logs

[tiny sable]

profile code pls

[round flare]

01984e9d-9992-bce9-8c4b-c307d20ed3ed

u might need to turn glow pikmin back on

i just configged it to false after seeing that error

[tiny sable]

From experience it's most likely not LethalMin and could be another mod causing the StartOfRound script's Start function to break. Which will break the entire game and cause LethalMin to spam errors.

[tiny sable]

The profile is taking awhile to download, but does the game look like this when entering?

[round flare]

no, i can walk around the ship just fine

i havent tried starting the game, but the leave game button doesnt work and displays in the shop dont look right

[tiny sable]

Okay

[round flare]

yea pulling the lever to start just breaks the game when it tries to load the level

this modpack is from v69 and im trying to update it for v72

[tiny sable]

If I'm correct than the game could be breaking because of this:
(Which is caused seemingly because LethalLib is attempting to call a function from LethalConfig)

Yep, it seems like installing LethalConfig stopped the error spam

[round flare]

so im just missing a dependency?

[tiny sable]

Seems so

[round flare]

weird, idk how that happened then
thanks for the help

[harsh umbra]

Oh yeah, I never posted how many Purples I had after carrying back the big boy

[tiny sable]

:O

[harsh umbra]

I think I had like 200 something previously

[quaint echo]

Wow

Thats uh

Thats a lot of bois

[harsh umbra]

Squad Goals

[tiny sable]

Need to add a white/black list to NavMesh Fixer because it does break the NavMesh on certain interiors rather than fixes them.

[tiny sable]

It could also be caused be lag