[Discontinued] LethalMin (LC Pikmin Mod)

[tiny sable]

The Pikmin AI Recode is about half way done, other than that I haven't added in anything new yet.

[glad mist]

Have you played raldis basics

[glad mist]

Also sweet!

[tiny sable]

Yeah, that mod with like 100 different endings?

[glad mist]

The only way I can play baldis basics bro

[main blade]

zoomers 😔

[marble mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-dance-red-pikmin-yellow-pikmin-blue-pikmin-gif-10417518233218729053

[marble mesa]

I lost a bunch of pikmin because they got stuck attaking an enemy this enemy can be killed but it seemed like the pikmin got stuck like this same thing can happen when carrying something where once they are done i cant call them back and they are stuck idle

[tiny sable]

Was the somthing an enemy body?

[gaunt mirage]

Looks very nice

Honestly that’s really funny

[main blade]

He is adding it as a feature

He told me he would

It is very funnt

[marble mesa]

its happened with normal items

nexttime it happens ima record a small video

[marble mesa]

Someone said something about a turret for the ship

[main blade]

ship turrets

they target pikmin as is

[proud mantle]

LateGameUpgrades' Discombobulator would hurt Pikmin then right?
I should make time to test that, it's been awhile since I've played

[plush pike]

Yes it does kill them

[tiny sable]

Damage test

[glad mist]

Fly!

[main blade]

Huh

Apparently thats a racial slur (from deleted message)

Anyways, as I was saying

[main blade]

Now try clay shooting

[tiny sable]

I've now made it so that Pikmin actually have HP and don't instantly die when the Damage Function is called

[main blade]

Should make most pikmin have 0.5 health

So rock and them can have 1 and be stronger

[tiny sable]

The way the game works is that anything that is or under 1 HP, will be insta killed anyways.

Because HP values are intigures and not floats so they can't be decimals

[main blade]

Thats dumb, all my homies hate integers

[main blade]

??? so ig imperium handles it one at a time?

[tiny sable]

It has to do with the fact Imperium does recalculations for each enemy death.

[main blade]

eugh

[tiny sable]

Normally this is fine, however with somthing like LethalMin, having a bunch of pikmin die will cause the game to have a stroke doing that many recalculations

[main blade]

esp for me, cause i always boost the limit to 200 pikmin

:sbo:

imperium is a mod on its own, right? or is it a dependency

[tiny sable]

Yeah it's just a very helpful, but kinda unoptimized debug tool I use

it is not a dependency

[main blade]

thx bb, I pray every day for my 200 purple pikmin

oh also i never mentioned this

but there is a mod that adds pikmin 2 treasures as scrap

how does the carry mechanic work?

by weight, i assume?

[tiny sable]

Yeah the mod takes the weight from an item and calculates that to determine how many pikmin is needed.

However in the beta this mostly results in the number of pikmin need being 1 or 2

[main blade]

whats the ratio bb

[tiny sable]

wdym ratio

[main blade]

how much weight per pik

i assume like, 20? 10?

[tiny sable]

Most items in the beta just require 1 to 5 pikmin

[main blade]

yeah, but

mm, dunno how to phrase it

so anyways, whats the new system gonna be like?

because I would love to see some capatibility shenanagins with the pikmin 2 treasures mod

[remote tree]

Meanwhile giant bodies:

[tiny sable]

The new system is more accurate to the actual item's weight, Like for example a bolt is 19lb, and it requires 8 pikmin to carry

Devs can actually set custom item weights for pikmin in the beta using LethalMin Library

[main blade]

i hate that, but honestly, so real, if you can breed pik, then it makes higher numbers more realistic

the only problem is, if unoptimized, peeps can't run snethal with a high pikmin count

which means the mod becomes essentially unusable, will item weights be reduced by a % or do you mean each individual item can be modified?

[tiny sable]

that's why I'm reprogramming the mod so it can be optimized for high pikmin counts

[tiny sable]

You will be able to change the item weights, both individually and globally, in the configs.

[main blade]

mmmmmm, icic

individually is like, changing apparatus, globally means lowering all items by a flat % right?

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[main blade]

very cool

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

DO YOU THINK STARLANCERS AI FIX

MESSED WITH THE PIKMIN

WHICH CAUSED THE LAG BEFORE

[tiny sable]

🆔 🇰

[tiny sable]

New Ghost effect

I made it by stealing porting over the ghost shader from engine 404 to shader graphs

[main blade]

why does this look like its saying "you got games on yo phone?"

[tiny sable]

Client-Side test (Despite using imperium there is no lag because I modified imperium to not recalculate when an enemy dies)

[glad mist]

I'm so excited to see no lag when taking them out the onion

[main blade]

my brother in christ

you are pineapple

not pear

turn off that digusting

fruit

[glad mist]

DONT EVER SPEAK TO TETO THAT WAY

[main blade]

no

[glad mist]

Die...

[glad mist]

I'm gonna be real

Why?

Would you ever use full size Pikmin

0.7 makes the most logical sense

[tiny sable]

idk

[main blade]

I like to make the sprouts 1.4x the size

[glad mist]

TELL ME

[main blade]

I like the jank

[glad mist]

tell me!

I NEED TO KNOW

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955349838030061588/1339456396541820951/IMG_1009.gif

[tiny sable]

idk is my answer

why are pumpkins so big?

[glad mist]

Uh

Magic pumpkin

[tiny sable]

You can now switch between whistle sounds

[olive haven]

i was not expecting the car horn

[main blade]

Its just chacho

[south apex]

And yet no Creaturemin

[wind torrent]

rock pikmin is better
(i am not biased)

[south apex]

I am Bulblaxing serious

[main blade]

So when renaming this to lethalmin (noy beta)

[tiny sable]

when the full version comes out

[main blade]

Sad

[south apex]

cuando el

[short chasm]

is there a way to stop baboon hawks from killing pikmins? couldnt find any option in the config

[tiny sable]

no

[short chasm]

damn thats sad.. okay

[short chasm]

are you going to add an option for that in the future? i dont see why that wouldnt be an option as its configurable for other enemies

[tiny sable]

yeah

[tiny sable]

So converting Custom Pikmin Types from the Beta is going better than expected.

[south apex]

looks like the only problem is sounds

[tiny sable]

oh no, its way more than that :)

[south apex]

the wollymin shall curse your LethalMin by shattering it

[tiny sable]

the animations are also screwed to hell, I'm not entirely sure if I can do anything about that.

But I'll try

[south apex]

If I do have to re-make every animation, I'd be sad.

I have like 50+ animations in CreatureMin

[tiny sable]

Nah it just has to do with the animation states and not the animation clips them selves

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

Easy fix for me, you don't have to try and fix it if you don't wanna

[tiny sable]

Actually it seems like the animations are my only problem now.

[south apex]

oh wow, good job

I really hate how the Wollymin sounds, but I don't got any other sounds to grab.

[short chasm]

interesting :D
new pikmin types
im hyped

[south apex]

If your talking about the ones in the video, that’s CreatureMin

Although there is probably gonna be new types for LethalMin

[main blade]

Snethal needs more damage types to begin with

Baboon hawk is the only one with piercing

[south apex]

whats snethal

is it LethalMin

[main blade]

snethal, yk, snethal snumpany

the base game outside of lethalmin

[wind torrent]

nah you still have half the keyboard to work with

[main blade]

you still have me 🥺

[south apex]

What even happened to it

[plush pike]

Noooooo

[tiny sable]

So it turns out if you attempt to refernce a varible from a DLL in unity, unity will have a stroke and crash when attempting to recompile

[tiny sable]

Re added some basic UI

[remote tree]

One question, why are you redoing it from scratch and not re-using assets from the beta? (like ui assets, chunks of code where possible ect)

[main blade]

Optimization

[tiny sable]

What Underground said and because the beta is really poorly structured, to the point that I can't really reuse a lot of the code. I'm also using new UI assets to fit with Lethal Company's UI a little bit more.

For example, in the beta every sound effect that is played by a Pikmin is a ClientRpc. Meaning every time a pikmin plays any sound, a clientRpc is being called. Which is an issue because Pikmin tend to play a lot of sound effects, especially when attacking something. Which equates to a lot of ClientRpcs being called

Unlike how it is now in the full version where only one Server/Client Rpcs are needed. I haven't even used the Rpcs for the sound effects yet because any time I needed to play a sound effect; it was in a part of the code that is running on all clients.

[glad mist]

OR WHEN THEY LEAVE THE ONION

[main blade]

question

is it possible to make glass doors?

you know, like a wall that rock pikmin can break?

[short chasm]

@tiny sable maybe add an option for bees as well

[tiny sable]

ahem

[tiny sable]

Mabey

[main blade]

also question, can there be compat between red pikmin and meteors?

i feel like they shouldnt die from meteros

[south apex]

The explosion would kill them

Like Landmines

[main blade]

dumb and stupid

are there really only 4 damage types? drowning, damage, fire and explosion

mm i guess lightning too

I wish it was get

[tiny sable]

That and them being crushed by a meteor

Whistle Performance Comparison

The Final version now uses sound culling so pikmin won't be nearly as loud as they were in the beta

[main blade]

holy fuck, i was gonna say

doesn't look that dif

and then you hit the new version

whistling 100 took nearly 4 seconds, now its about half a second

good job

[tiny sable]

Yeah, whistling is way faster now because the mod isn't calling like 100 Rpcs Per-Pikmin

[glad mist]

W

[remote tree]

Ah i see

[glad mist]

I'm just excited to see the onion performance changes

[main blade]

Onipn dont perform vad my guy

Ni idea where you saw that

[main blade]

oi

wheres the big man who made the big mod including big pikmin

not you note

the uhhh, pikmin3 pikmin mod maker uh,, thing

unless someone else knows, does rock pikmin have an onion?

[glad mist]

It does heavily

VERY badly

[main blade]

answer my quesitom

[glad mist]

Yes on 4

And 3

[main blade]

no in the mod

in snethal

[glad mist]

It does

For the mod

[main blade]

thx

[wind torrent]

that would be me but someone answered your question already

[south apex]

There’s also Crushing and Poison

[wind torrent]

idk if crushing works

i gave rock pikmin crush resistance but they still get crushed i think

[main blade]

yeah, like spike trap

plus theres no real crushing "type" just damage

[tiny sable]

The PikminAI script now has 2157 lines of code (1912 excluding empty lines)

[main blade]

now post the entirety of the beta

each indiivdual line as its own message

[tiny sable]

[main blade]

[tiny sable]

The Pikmin AI script in the beta has 5360 lines of code alone! (4893 excluding empty lines)

[main blade]

yeah, i thought i remembered something like 6k

[glad mist]

What the fuck

Such a change

[tiny sable]

Could I be forgetting anything?

[main blade]

I dont think global call back is that important tbh

Onion revive? Is that the 0 pikmin thing?

[tiny sable]

Is a mechanic where Pikmin can take back player bodies to the onion to revive them

[main blade]

Thats sick as hell

Pik1

Moment

You gonna throw a leaf on em?

[tiny sable]

I'll try

[main blade]

Not necessary, but yk

Pluck a phone btw should be a seperate whistle

That you can buy

[tiny sable]

However, the downside is that they revive with like 25 HP and if they die again their body will become unrecoverable.

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[main blade]

Revive them as a pikmin with the pikmin model suit lmao

Sounds like hell but

If possible

[tiny sable]

Thinking about it, that shouldn't be too hard to do, (if the pikmin model suit mod is installed).

Because I'll I have to do is run the code that swaps the player model with the pikmin model when they revive

[main blade]

Have you considered merging waterwraith into lethalmin?

[tiny sable]

Oh yeah

[main blade]

Keep wraith as a standalone

But havs lethalmin come with wraith

On base

[tiny sable]

I'll just add compat

[main blade]

Are you considering other options at this time? Or are you trying to get the full one out as an improved beta?

[tiny sable]

Like what other options?

I'm still down for suggestions

[main blade]

Adding daytime enemies

Or something like functioning flowers

No more roaming whites and purps, now we get em in flowers like any other pik

Plus, yellow red and blue flowers that spawn outside naturally

I'd suggest pellet posies but those are boring and wont serve a purpose until you get onions, and even then might mess with the map

[tiny sable]

ngl I totally forgot Candypop Buds existed

[main blade]

Smh going to throw you into one

Also if you wanna take a crack at the toady bloyster

I would be immensely happy to see you make it

[tiny sable]

Mabey but in a sperate mod

[main blade]

Like waterwraith is

Plz, I will givd yoy a kiss

I can give you a picture of my bnuy, this is oreo

[main blade]

Oh an ext is a great idea

Could formalize it into:
Base pack
Extended pack
Enemy pack

[tiny sable]

I'm thinking of naming it:
LethalMin Extras

[main blade]

Ver goog

[tiny sable]

Started Re-Adding Sprouts

The mod no longer uses AI nodes to dertmined sprout spawn locations, now it's determined by the map seed.

[main blade]

Your reliance on bees will be uour downfall

[plush pike]

LethalMin: the Louie pack

[glad mist]

Turning on the Pikmin ahh animation

[tiny sable]

Pluck Animation Comparison

An issue with plucking in the beta was that if you held an item with a special holding animation like a shovel, when the animation finished. It would default to the normal holding animation.

LethalMin uses unity's AnimatorControllerOverride to implement custom animations.
For some odd reason, in unity when setting an animator override, the parameters are not affected. But, when reverting back all of the parameters get reset. This is why in early versions, if you were holding an item when the plucking animation is played, the holding animation would stop after the animation is finished and the override is reverted.

At the time, the way I fixed this was just checking if the player was holding an item when the animation finished, if so then play the holding animation after reverting. This did kind of work, however this also caused items like shotguns and shovels to play the normal holding animation like in the video.

So now the way I do is that before reverting the override, the mod stores the parameters and resets them once the animator has been reverted.

This now makes it so that there will (hopefully) be far less animation bugs with the pluck animation.

Also the plucking animation will be re animated

[glad mist]

Nice

[tiny sable]

ok

[tiny sable]

Sprouts can now grow

[remote tree]

Now remove the plucked growing and add nectar

So it is +1% like the game

Also i dont like the glow functionality-

[remote tree]

I didnt read mbmb

[remote tree]

(This is what i didnt read)

[proud mantle]

Have you tested modded enemy interactions? Cause I remember them being pretty hit-or-miss in the beta

[tiny sable]

I haven't tested it much because modded enemies can have strange properties unlike vanilla enemies which I usually can't account for.

[tiny sable]

what glow functionalty?

[main blade]

They meant grow*, I believe

[remote tree]

How glow pikmin grow without nectar

[tiny sable]

Ohhh okay

[tiny sable]

New Plucking animation (Might reanimate again because it feels too rigid)

Bonus

[tiny sable]

Players will no longer clip into the map when plucking Pikmin like in the beta.

[plush pike]

He be the pikmin???

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/foxy-is-smart-freddy-and-friend-pep-talk-meeting-gif-13446065

[tiny sable]

"Pretty sure that's Freddy..."

[remote tree]

I eccomend making the stem move aswell as is being pulled up

[tiny sable]

It does but I think I messed up the animation for the sprout at the time.

[remote tree]

Ok

[south apex]

Hey NoteBoxz will custom Pikmin immune to Lethal not be killed by stuff like Shotguns?

Cause my Breadmin dies when he gets shot by a Nutcracker

[tiny sable]

I have changed it so that shotguns are their own thing in the hazards list.

[main blade]

Oh hey note, you know that extension mod you're gonna make?

How about pikmin healthbars?

On the enemies, like the round circle that go on top of em

Realistic, or nah?

[tiny sable]

I made this mod awhile ago that has the option for circular health bars:
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/NotezyTeam/EnemyHealthBars/

[main blade]

So you have

[tiny sable]

ok

[main blade]

What if

[tiny sable]

When the

[glad mist]

Is is

[main blade]

hey note

real quic k

is this a problem?

friends can't join me

oh jesus chrsit

[quaint echo]

[remote tree]

nitro detected

[quaint echo]

Yo I’ve been wondering for a while, bulbmin can still die to fire attacks, is that a bug or is it to make red Pikmin more viable?

[tiny sable]

I don't even know. They are supposed to be resistant but i must have forgot at the time.

I don't remeber if they are even resistant to fire in pikmin 2

[south apex]

Last time I checked their config it says the Bulbmin are immune to fire.

[main blade]

also note, if you didn't notice, lethalmin broke, baaaad, cant play it offline either

might wanna check the beta, in case it's a problem with one of the dependancies

[tiny sable]

ModMan Code plz????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[main blade]

01953fbc-917b-d16c-e800-93618c5fffd7

41 mods, nothing super deadly to lethalmin

[tiny sable]

thats odd, it works for me

does this issue occur when you do anything spesfic in game? Or does i just happen when the game is first started?

[main blade]

i launched it

and straight up, had those errors

[quaint echo]

They were resistant to every hazard except crushing and being eaten.

[tiny sable]

Go it, thanks

[quaint echo]

No problem, I love the mod btw.

Another thing I’ve been trying to figure out, do purple Pikmin do damage on impact or is the slam sound simply to match the games?

[tiny sable]

They do deal damage when landing on enemies

You can kill an enemy by just throwing a bunch of purples onto it.

[quaint echo]

Thanks! I’ll be using purples more often now.

[tiny sable]

could you provide a .log file?

[quaint echo]

One more question lol, was there a mistake when white Pikmin were given their poison? In the games the white pikmins poison was enough to be lethal to a bulborb, but in this mod it takes 9 to kill a hoarding bug. Was this also a mistake or was this to prevent easy corpse farming?

[tiny sable]

tbh in the beta, white Pikmin poisoning was a last-minute thing that I had entirely forgot about until late in development. So, I didn't really test to see the how much damage should be taken so I just kinda made the poisoning damage an arbitrarily low number. So the answer is just yes.

[quaint echo]

Understandable lol, will they be buffed in the future?

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[quaint echo]

[quaint echo]

Will VR support be a possibility?

[tiny sable]

Mabey

[tiny sable]

@glad mist

[dense turret]

why do all of your clips end with you dying horribly

[tiny sable]

to get screenshots like this

[glad mist]

Okay loving what I'm seeing

That spam will cause lag though no?

[tiny sable]

Not really

[glad mist]

Okay

[quaint echo]

you're not the only one with goofy lethalmin clips

[main blade]

They want to revive you

Also note

Big problem

That function won't work in single player, right?

Since once you die, dont matter if they carry you, the game will take off

[tiny sable]

Yeah unfortunately :(

I don't have any ideas to solve that within lethalmin without risking breaking the entire game

[main blade]

Hmmm

Solution?

Whenever someones hp would go below 1, set it =

1

And then knock out the player, having them be carried?

Thots?

[tiny sable]

That wouldn't work too well because the game will still make the ship leave instantly after the last player alive dies, not matter their HP value.

[glad mist]

Let's just

Not touch that

It's not a good idea to mess with the revive kinda stuff cause you're gonna have a hard time with compat and just errors nonstop

[tiny sable]

I know it is very possible because I have done it before.

And besides the mechanic is only intended to be used when there are other players alive.

[main blade]

Yeah fair

[tiny sable]

@glad mist @glad mist

The only issue now is that the console gets spammed with

[Warning: Unity Log] Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored.
[Warning: Unity Log] Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored.
[Warning: Unity Log] Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored.
[Warning: Unity Log] Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored.
[Warning: Unity Log] Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored.
[Warning: Unity Log] Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored.
[Warning: Unity Log] Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored.
[Warning: Unity Log] Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored.
[Warning: Unity Log] Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored.
[Warning: Unity Log] Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored.
[Warning: Unity Log] Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored.
[Warning: Unity Log] Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored.```

[main blade]

wh-

[tiny sable]

I think it's cause by 100 Pikmin being spawned in within a short interval. However, I'm not entirely brcause there isn't much explanation as to what causes "Some metrics in the collection went over the configured values limit. Some values were ignored." aside from "high network traffic". Despite the fact the beta does more networking this error barley shows in the beta.

It's also not just caused by the onion spawning pikmin, it's cause by 100 pikmin being spawned in at once in general. Because the same warning was getting spammed into the console when I used imperium to spawn 100.

[main blade]

ima be real

warnings and snethal go together like peanuts and butter

i dont even think it's possible to have a modpack not spawn a million fuckin warnings

[glad mist]

Remember

No offense dude

Do it with a modpack

I stg

Some mod causes weird things to happen

At the end duh

[tiny sable]

I think it also causes the PikminAI to break

[glad mist]

Wait

Body cams? Mod?

Why the fuck did you blow up

WAIT

A FUCKING MINUTE

Why IS BODY CAMS MONITORING A PIKMIN

That's probably the lag issue

[tiny sable]

These 2 mods:
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/NotezyTeam/MonitorEnemies/
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zaggy1024/OpenBodyCams/

[tiny sable]

I don't think so, because even when the game is running a 60fps, the Pikmin have trouble picking up items when that warning is being spammed.

[glad mist]

That's so weird

Did you fix that metric thing

When throwing Pikmin?

[tiny sable]

wdym when throwing pikmin?

[glad mist]

Throwing Pikmin last update

Would say an error

[tiny sable]

Oh yeah that has been fixed.

[glad mist]

OH! AND UH...

Are you gonna work with the issues and Pikmin finding the ship?

Some modded moons would completely fuck up their AI

And don't even get me started with the 2 story ship mod...

[tiny sable]

The most I can do is add a warp point to the ship for moons that don't have a way of entites to get onto the ship. But other than that, I don't think I can really do anything if a custom moon has a crappy NavMesh.

[glad mist]

Ohhhh

Good to know

[glad mist]

I thought it was a Pikmin AI thing

That's fun to know

[tiny sable]

Unrelated but I found Pikmin 251's title screen music
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=EfAVLHjMB6M&si=HFaDqeZWQKKMpl2_

I wondered why it wasn't in any of 251's OST tracks, turns out it's because it's from the actual game.

[tiny sable]

Oh yeah, I made a mod with an explosion hotkey to get screenshots like this.

[glad mist]

Awesome lol

[tiny sable]

So I found out the spam is caused by the NetworkTransform :D
Now I need to find a why, as the NetworkTransform never caused any issues in the beta.

[glad mist]

The struggle of a dev

[quaint echo]

"I've been expecting you."

[glad mist]

Shoot it

[undone hearth]

[tiny sable]

So it seems like the beta also has the same issue?

I wonder if this has to do with the new WIFI I'm using

Either way I see why Zeekers wouldn't use Network Transforms if he did know about them.

I could have sworn i've seen unused code refernceing Network Transforms in the item script

This issue does not occur with vanilla entities as far as I know.
Because I tested it with 100 hoarding bugs and no warnings

[glad mist]

I guess don't use them for now?

[tiny sable]

I need to find another way to sync positions though.

And I have attempted to change the threshold settings, but it just made the client side look odd

[glad mist]

Weird

[tiny sable]

It also causes this to happen on the client side

[glad mist]

AHHHH

[glad mist]

Wait a fucking minute dude

Why didn't you blow up...

[tiny sable]

I used a shot gun that time

[glad mist]

Okay...

[quaint echo]

“You have denied us father, revenge awaits.”

[tiny sable]

I've made a Custom NetworkTransform script that doesn't spam the console when there are 100 pikmin. And doesn't make the pikmin float.

[main blade]

Thz bbgirl been waitin on this on

[quaint echo]

whats with the new fancy pikmin ui?

i like it

[tiny sable]

I've decided to re-designe it a little since I'm remaking the entire mod.

[quaint echo]

nice

[plush pike]

hey is there a way to configure how many pikmin spawn outside?

or does the spawn chance config take that into account

[quaint echo]

i think wild pikmin spawn outside sometimes instead of an enemy, so if you got a mod that increased outdoor spawns, you might find more wild pikmin.

[tiny sable]

If you're talking about the Pikmin that don't spawn as sprouts, then it has to do with Lethal Company's spawning system and cannot be configured

[plush pike]

ok so turning down the outdoor pikmin spawn chance will reduce sprouts right?

[tiny sable]

Yes

[glad mist]

What's left?

[tiny sable]

wdym

[glad mist]

To finish

[tiny sable]

alot

I got stumped for a few days on the stupid metrics error so I couldn't work on other things until I got that fixed, so the final version will probably not come out this month.

I have gotten the new save system for onions and sprouts done though.

[tiny sable]

I never realized how by each game, purple Pikmin became more saturated in color

[plush pike]

Blurple

I like pikmin 2 one the most

[tiny sable]

Pikmin now actually enter the onion like they do in the games

[main blade]

Hag, nice

[quaint echo]

AWWWWWWW I LOVE IT

Whats with the onion model change?

[tiny sable]

The final version will allow players to change the generation of the models, I have it set to Pikmin 1 and 2

[quaint echo]

Oooooooh fancy

Keep up the amazing work! And remember to take a break if needed lol.

[main blade]

He will work for our amusement, and if he stops, we break out the whip

(We all share that sentiment, make sure you take care of yourself note)

[plush pike]

This is awesome

[tiny sable]

You can now switch pikmin types while holding (ignore the bug)

[remote tree]

1 thing 2 reasons, make the sound not play multiple times

1. It doesnt in the games i believe
2. MY EARS

[glad mist]

Other onions!

[plush pike]

Speaking of, a config for the pikmin sounds would be nice. I’d like to turn them down a touch, if possible

[tiny sable]

ok

[tiny sable]

did nobody notice the onions spawned in the trees

[quaint echo]

They got caught like a kite

[tiny sable]

I never noticed how different Bulbmin and regular dwarf bulboarbs are

[quaint echo]

they look so goofy

[olive haven]

I thought you were just showing them off by having them spawn up there

[plush pike]

Treemin

[tiny sable]

I will have to partially use AI nodes for spawning to prevent something like that from happening.

[quaint echo]

dont you already do that?

ive noticed that onions usually land on the ai node closest to the left side of the ship.

[tiny sable]

Yes but that has caused some issues with custom moons so I have changed it to no use AI nodes so much in the final version

[quaint echo]

https://youtu.be/1wEiWxrJ5cs?si=0J0tJH0HXqn-0G8F @tiny sable are you aware of this?

[tiny sable]

Yep

[glad mist]

The hell

[tiny sable]

?

[glad mist]

why the right most one look so weird

[tiny sable]

Because it's the Pikmin 2 model.

[remote tree]

The ring

[tiny sable]

Got the Pikmin Container working relatively easily.

[remote tree]

Lmfao “wear the pikmin container” make this a feature enabled by configs and you just have it on your back facing forward so you can get the pikmin

[plush pike]

I want to be the pikmin container

[wind torrent]

i can finally wear the pikmin container

best mod

[proud mantle]

Pikmin container suit that changes color depending on how many Pikmin you have stored

[olive haven]

every pikmin adds weight

[main blade]

Do ya one bettr

Make it look like a bulborb

[south apex]

Noteboxz, whenever Pikmin types are immune to crushing and about 10 of them go under one, there is a sudden lagspike

for like 0.20 seconds

[tiny sable]

Ok

Reimplumented onion fusions

[glad mist]

What's the list like now?

[glad mist]

Man...

[main blade]

Wow he managed to do a weeks worth of work in a several month long project

Gj

(Just gotta be patient my guy)

[tiny sable]

The first version of LethalMin took around 3 weeks, I thought that final version would take a little longer than that, but once again I've underestimated the amount of time devlopment will take.

[main blade]

Only 3 weeks? Surprising

But then again, first version didnt have all the new shit you added yk

So now redoing it all, you have a bigger laundry list than initially

[tiny sable]

yeah

[plush pike]

Would you consider releasing some of it in the mean time or are you trying to do it all at once

[tiny sable]

wdym

[glad mist]

Can we like have an update

With all of the updated stuff release first

And then like the new stuff that wasn't added last update be added later?

[main blade]

issue is, he's trying to undo the beta mess with clean code

he'd have to have the basics made for it to even function

and at that point, then he could release it and maybe update it

but I reckon he just wants to finish it and release it as a finished product

[quaint echo]

On one hand I want to see my carrot children again, but on another I can see why note is waiting till everything is finished.

[glad mist]

Again

Just a suggestion

[tiny sable]

Like I said before, V1.0.0 will be the final update with the future updates just being bug fixes, yeah like Eliza said it will be released as a finished product. I don't think I will release it until it's fully done.

But the LethalMin Extras mod will come at a later date and will not hold back the Final Update's release.

[quaint echo]

Extras??

[quaint echo]

I’m jumping for joy rn

[south apex]

How much will custom type makers have to change to fix with LethalMins full release?

[quaint echo]

Guess we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it, we still have 10 years till the full release.

[main blade]

Impatient bastarrs lmao

[tiny sable]

Animators and Sound Packs will need to be redone for the full release. I'm thinking of an easier way for type makers (and myself) to implement animations, The PikminType Scriptable Object will probably break some things, but not everything. So, all in all it might be best to reconstruct all of the Scriptable Objects from the start

[quaint echo]

It was a joke my guy

[main blade]

Lighthearted

Dw I know everyone here is chill

[quaint echo]

[quaint echo]

Once this mod is fully completed, do you think you’ll add the Pikmin to other games?

[main blade]

Other games? Like?

[quaint echo]

Murky divers, deep rock galactic, R.E.P.O., that sorta thing.

[tiny sable]

Probably not due to the fact I'm not very familiar with those games and how they work.

[main blade]

Drg in that list is wild, its just another team game lmao

Tho that'd be cool

Idk what they'd do tho

[quaint echo]

Idk Pikmin things

[glad mist]

The lag was real and the circling is nuts

[tiny sable]

That was prolly due to imperium

i just realized I messed up the colors on the Pikmin 2 flowers again

[quaint echo]

History repeats itself

[tiny sable]

fixed it

[remote tree]

Speaking of, does orange have the right color flower?

[tiny sable]

i don't know

[quaint echo]

orange pikmin (bulbmin) have a white flower

[main blade]

no?

I might be wrong but i dont believe you

[quaint echo]

i have played pikmin for almost my entire life, never doubt me again.

[main blade]

that one looks more blue

but i found a better image

same colour as red

[main blade]

i've played it for my entire life

specifically pikmin 2

consume bridge

even better image

[quaint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/die-meme-spongebob-patrick-plankton-gif-18525739

[main blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849390886793379910/1307498837497221140/shearmin_attack.gif

[quaint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-2-pikmin-2-player-battle-war-death-gif-12508596516513163000

[main blade]

Hd

[main blade]

Pov

[plush pike]

hey using the configs for pikmin doesnt seem to change if they can use the pikmin container or not

like i set use pikmin container to true for bulbmin but it didnt change

[tiny sable]

thats due to the way the Pikmin Container assigns pikmin in the beta. Theres nothing that can be done about that

[tiny sable]

this better?

[plush pike]

Will this be different in the final?

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[tiny sable]

I made the to do list more spesfic

There is also more that i forgot to add

[remote tree]

Yes

[remote tree]

Also, another thing on this is, pikmin particle accelerator

[remote tree]

Tho i meant like in the games it only loops when the sound ends + a bit of time and not when the selected type changes, this is better anyway

[remote tree]

btw, if your making the ui vanilla-accurate, the inventory ui isnt perfectly evenly dotted line, and it moves around a bit

[remote tree]

nice

btw

is it going well making sprouts save when you take off and change moons

so they despawn only changing moons and respawn when coming back

[tiny sable]

Only sprouts created by onions are saved, and they only respawn on the moon they were planted at (ofc).

[tiny sable]

I found a way to extract animations and models from Pikmin 3 Deluxe

[remote tree]

wait so they do do that?

[tiny sable]

In the beta, no but they will in the full version

[quaint echo]

Thank god, I remember I had like 30 sprouts I had to leave behind because it was midnight. So many potential Pikmin gone to waste.

[quaint echo]

[plush pike]

The pikmin 3 onions looked the strangest to me, personally

Cool idea but I prefer 2 onions. 4 was ok too

[quaint echo]

Its optional bro

[tiny sable]

too overpowered?

[quaint echo]

No

Purples are rare, it makes sense for them to be this good.

[plush pike]

nah i know just sharing my pikpinions lol

[quaint echo]

im stealing that word

[proud mantle]

Yeah probably
3 is a pretty small number to be doing that

[south apex]

Make their slam do like 0.65 damage

[tiny sable]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna nerf it a little

[dense turret]

they aren't that rare

[tiny sable]

(This only happens in unity for some reason)

[dense turret]

i'd say 0.5 damage would be good

or atleast better

[quaint echo]

Maybe I have bad spawning luck then

All I get are bulbmin

[main blade]

I pray for whites

All I get is 4 whites 1 purple and 40 bulbmin

I'd say purples are rare lmao

[quaint echo]

For real they are a godsend for eclipsed expeditions

If you put enough flowered whites on something they can zoom past any dogs before they get pissed enough to attack.

[quaint echo]

I have a giant list of various tips and facts like this if anyone cares

[tiny sable]

they all literally have the same odds of spawning tho

either the Beta's RNG system is busted, or the bad RNG in general

[main blade]

Dont baby fish me, I know you gave whites and purples a 0.0001% chance to not spawn 😭

But fr idk why those two are the rarer types

Snethal just loves bulbmin

[tiny sable]

finna make an announcement trailer

[quaint echo]

[tiny sable]

@glad mist @glad mist

[wind torrent]

the pikmin 3 onion looks really cool with the pattern thingy inside it

bothers me that its way smaller than the other but i know its like that in the games

is it gonna be like in 3 when fused?

so bigger and the colors are like mixed or whatever

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[tiny sable]

Comparison Trailer (Early Acsess)

[glad mist]

Idk how I feel about that new UI thing I feel it kinda fits lethal? But also doesn't

UI as in I mean the uh UI that shows up when Pikmin pick up items

[remote tree]

My family :(

Also, wait, final update

[quaint echo]

What if lethal adds new stuff? Will you add Pikmin interactions for that?

[tiny sable]

*Final major update

[tiny sable]

Yeah

Although now I'm not sure If I should call it the "Final Update" or "Full Version"

[quaint echo]

just call it full version

bc like you said youll update it later for bugfixes

plus "final update" makes me feel sad :(

[glad mist]

I mean it is the final major update

[quaint echo]

[glad mist]

[tiny sable]

last minute change
https://youtu.be/uE4WpQ5QclQ

[south apex]

Whenever you throw a Pikmin onto an item and you’re close to it, they will just go back into your group.

Is that fixed in the final?

[tiny sable]

I'm not too sure, because the issue is caused by the Pikmin colliding with something at the start of the throw. Mabey I could add a slight buffer so Pikmin won't instantly go back into the player's squad

[main blade]

Wait, you're releasing a comparison trailer? You ain't dont yet with the remake, are you?

[tiny sable]

yeah

[main blade]

Whh

Theyre all under not started

But if its done and playable, damn

[tiny sable]

It's just a comparison trailer, not a release trailer

[main blade]

Yeah thats what confused me

I get it now

[quaint echo]

i hope alter ego does a video on the ai of pikmin

i would pay actual money for that

[tiny sable]

Same, but I wouldn't bet on it because I don't think he even does Modded entities in general.

[quaint echo]

he might

idk bro ur mod is sick as hell, if h2o delirious noticed it, im sure alter ego will too.

you gotta give yourself more credit

[glad mist]

The readding will be easy

I think

[tiny sable]

LethalModDataLib Will be the hardest compat to re-add, because I had to do some goofy stuff with System.Reflections so that it wouldn't be a dependency.

[glad mist]

Mental

[tiny sable]

I've made a new config system that can be initialized with just 1 line of code So now I don't have to write 100 lines for code for every config that is added.

[remote tree]

Wait

So

Pluckaphone, whistle+, and container+ are done?

I had more questions and i forgot

[remote tree]

Not this one but also can we have an option to randomize game models on lobby launch, or even takeoff

[quaint echo]

I also have a question

Where Glowi bois?

Or when

[tiny sable]

likely never due to how complex they are

If I can find a way to make flying pathfinding then I would add every single type to LethalMin.

[tiny sable]

sure

[quaint echo]

They don’t even fly they float,

[tiny sable]

nope

[tiny sable]

they still are complex...

[quaint echo]

Fair

Maybe have it as like an add-on and just work on it whenever you’re bored and eventually after 15-20 years we’ll have it.

[quaint echo]

Give them the basic Pikmin ai, make them immune to every elemental hazard, give them them the ability to teleport to the player who last threw them once they finish a task, bake 300 degrees until crispy, and BAM. Glow Pikmin.

[remote tree]

Make the floating an animation rather than floating ingame

[remote tree]

Is the “shiponion” the container?

[quaint echo]

the glow pikmin spiritbomb is still a problem

how do we implement that?

"we don't."

[proud mantle]

Is there a Pikmin "banlist", where certain type(s) won't spawn?
IE. Purples, Yellows, Blues are banned
So only Reds outside, and White & Bulbmin spawn inside?

[remote tree]

“THINK FASK CHUCKLENUTS”

Make it act like homemade flashbang but no explode

[proud mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-gt-spirit-bomb-gif-22952467

Resident spider vs my 1200 glow Pikmin nuke

[quaint echo]

the baboon hawk thinking he boutta get an easy meal but then me and my group of glow pikmin pull up:

[tiny sable]

yeah

Okay, I'm gonna admit. I think I can add the types from Pikmin 4, Glow Pikmin will just be a bit more complex but doable since they don't really fly and just teleport when out of their leader's squad. I think I can also recreate the freezing effect with Ice Pikmin for water and enemies. All I have to do with water is just add a solid collider when the water is frozen, and with enemies I can just apply a temporary frozen texture and disable their nav mesh agent when frozen.

But with Pikmin 3, I can make rock Pikmin because the only special thing I have to do with them is make them bounce off of things instead of latching on. However, and this is the only reason why I'm likely not adding the types from 3 and 4, Winged Pikmin can literally fly over obstacles. I can't just use a normal Namesh agent, because Namesh agents are locked to the Namesh, meaning that they can't hover off of it. So, if I just added pseudo flying, like just making a flying animation and not real flying. It would look odd because the Winged Pikmin will get stuck on other entities and not be able to really fly over obstacles. Yeah, I could just set their agent to have no obstacle avoidance, but another issue comes when flying between a gap in the NavMesh. For example, the bridge on adamance. When it collapses, with this pseudo flying method Winged Pikmin will take the long method instead of just flying across the broken bridge. I'd really hate to add all the types from 3 and 4 and just exclude Winged Pikmin because of this...

[tiny sable]

Not in the beta, but there will be in the full version

[quaint echo]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

isnt there alreadt a mod for rock and wings

[tiny sable]

#1307154045751918675 just rocks

[quaint echo]

i think hes working on winged

[tiny sable]

But still, it be nice to have to them added to full the mod.

[remote tree]

since they are official (cool)

also because why not maybe add the 251 types to the main mod

[quaint echo]

please dont-

[quaint echo]

if they're okay with it

[main blade]

Personally, I think pik3 types should be left to the other mod

And once the other mod finishes, maybe work on incorperating it into the main mod, would be kinda ick to just make the pik3 pikmin while its being made by someone else

Oh, you could make glow and ice in the meantime! Pik4

[quaint echo]

pikmin 4 ever

[quaint echo]

bruh y'all dont want glow and ice pikmin?

[main blade]

I dont want them to work on pik3 when pik3 is bein worked on rn

[quaint echo]

they should have put that as one of the answers-

[main blade]

should have

pik4 would be pref

[quaint echo]

pik4 would be sick

[remote tree]

BTW

i for some reason

cannot have

buy*

i cannot buy the container

[main blade]

try terminal fix

@remote tree

[remote tree]

btw note

PLEASE make pikmin bring beehives to the outside of the ship

and make the bess take more than 1 to carry to balance

[quaint echo]

in order to do that they'd have to change the weight of the beehive

[main blade]

also, 1 pik makes sense

just have electricity kills

aint no pikmin gonna outrun bees

[quaint echo]

the amount of pikmin needed to carry a peice of scrap is tied to the wight of the scrap

[main blade]

sends a requirement for yellers

[quaint echo]

i think its every 5 pounds = 1 pikmin

[main blade]

beehives weigh more than 5

[quaint echo]

they weigh 0

hold on im pulling up the wiki for this one

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-sunglasses-book-reading-gif-15790482

[remote tree]

this is all true

[quaint echo]

i spend too much time playing lethalmin lol

i have so much notes about it if anyone wants to read

[main blade]

bruh they're conductive but weigh 0 thats bullshit

[quaint echo]

they're conducive bc they're the hive of ELECTRIC BEES

its simple science bro

[main blade]

yeah, and electric bees make a metal hive tht weighs zero?

:sus:

[quaint echo]

light metals exist

[quaint echo]

to be fair, other scraps also weigh 0

[main blade]

i am awr

bolt requires 3 pik

or something

[quaint echo]

yes

[main blade]

ridiculous how a bolt, single handed weighs more than a beehive made for electric bes

[remote tree]

Tbh beehives are hollow

And light

[quaint echo]

zeekers made it weigh 0 so its easier to outrun the bees while holding it

shhhhhhhhhh

i type too fast

[quaint echo]

anyways because of that, it causes the hive to only require a single yellow boi to carry

[main blade]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[quaint echo]

i will shove a purple pikmin down your throat i swear to god

petition to call the units that are used to determine how many pikmin it takes to carry a peice of scrap "pikmin pounds" or "pikpounds"

thoughts?

[main blade]

how many pp does it take to lift a clown horn

[quaint echo]

Uh-

1…. It takes one.

Just call them lps (get it because instead of lbs it’s lps because p because Pikmin hahhahahahah I’m so clever)

[tiny sable]

I've updated the way explosion damages are calculated so they are now 24% more lethal!

[olive haven]

you know things don't have to be metal to be conductive right?

[remote tree]

Btw, can we get a config to make the purples black or brown (and hairy) like the original plans

Maybe it would take to long for the models but just a thaught

[quaint echo]

Evil Pikmin be like: burymax

[tiny sable]

Pikmin no longer die from getting pestered by poltergeists

[glad mist]

@tiny sable just focus on Pikmin 2

3 and 4 are a bit much anyhow

[quaint echo]

He already made Pikmin two bro

[quaint echo]

Is this a threat?

[tiny sable]

No, just somthing I find funny

[quaint echo]

Yeah but it looks threatening lmao

The yellow Pikmin turned off your life support, you are on your own, you are powerless against the feral carrot child.

[glad mist]

I know

I'm saying don't dabble into 3 and 4

Smh...

[main blade]

dabble 4 in extended version

leave 3 to the 3 mod

[quaint echo]

Ok I understand not doing 3, someone else is already doing that. But actually declining having a chance of having glow and ice Pikmin in lethal company is insane

[glad mist]

That's... Not good

[quaint echo]

Bruh the souls have a physical hitbox?

Physicsbox?

[green imp]

Keep it in for the lols

[tiny sable]

omg I forgot to remove the default mesh collider on the ghost's mesh plane

[quaint echo]

Truly a moment

[tiny sable]

Re added cruiser interaction

[remote tree]

You spin me right round

[proud mantle]

Well that's amazing, now we gotta ask for a Pikmin Ghost Collision config option

[tiny sable]

I've spent all day trying to figure out why the Pikmin would not carry items into the cruiser. So I ended up just using a hack to teleport them inside when they get close enough.

[tiny sable]

Pikmin now get squashed by spike traps

[main blade]

https://tenor.com/view/luigis-mansion-luigis-mansion-dark-moon-sus-land-you-going-to-sus-land-lm-dark-moon-gif-21668386

pikmin becoming 2d

[quaint echo]

they dont squeal

[quaint echo]

you're welcome

[tiny sable]

tysm

[wind torrent]

does crushing resistance finally work

[tiny sable]

yeah

[quaint echo]

i got bulbmins as well

[tiny sable]

tysm!!

[quaint echo]

It’s no problem at all

If you need anything else let me know

For white Pikmin I guess speed up the sound or make it higher pitched

[remote tree]

wait

i just remembered

as of pikmin 4

all types except red with blue have a different voice

can we config which games voices we get?

like we can for models

[tiny sable]

yeah that's planned

Pluckaphone

[main blade]

Uhh isnt the mouthpiece on backwards?

Looks great tho

[wind torrent]

yeah why is the thing on the blow part

how are you gonna blow into the whistle

[remote tree]

OML I JUST NOTICED

also can we get a use anim for the whistles

[remote tree]

And these

[quaint echo]

I guess bc the normal whistle is being held backwards when you use it

[tiny sable]

well the whistle zone does come from the mouthpiece

[quaint echo]

You traumatized him

[main blade]

Not enough stuff to put into a ship

[wind torrent]

i am never going to unsee it now

[quaint echo]

I saw it like day one, and it never bothered me

[tiny sable]

I was able to get the ship whistle sound from Pikmin 3 Deluxe

[glad mist]

I was gonna say something about how it's held but it's fine

[tiny sable]

What were you gonna say?

[glad mist]

Like you see how it's aiming up?

I'd rotate it facing forward

Slightly at least

[tiny sable]

Okay

[glad mist]

Cause RN it looks like it's like coming out like a mortar

YEAH

Mortar rn change it to like a cannon view

Both do the same thing technically

If that even makes sense I was kinda just trying to find something similar

[tiny sable]

I'm tempted to have the PluckAPhone just be held like this, but I think it's too long/in the way like this

[olive haven]

honestly it feels like it takes up less screen space this way

[tiny sable]

Looking at it side-by-side, yeah, I think you're right

[main blade]

Plus, holding it out makes it more obvious what you're holding

[tiny sable]

@remote tree

[remote tree]

Yippeeeeee

Me after murdering a forest giant and putting its body in my purple onion (i have an army now thanks to the pluckaphone giving me time)

Also

Make any item over 300 weight just automatically need 1000 pikmin to reference doomsday device and golden vaulting table

[remote tree]

Or bodies over 300 hp somehow

[remote tree]

cough anvil cough

[tiny sable]

Pikmin will no longer chase enemies outside of the ship unless the enemy is on the ship with them.

This was an Issue that happened a lot in the beta where Pikmin that were sent to the ship would run out and get the selves killed chasing something that was outside.

[olive haven]

glad to see they still get absolutely slaughtered by a single baboon hawk

[glad mist]

Yeah exactly

[wind torrent]

it looks like a cigarette when you hold it like that

[glad mist]

What

How

[olive haven]

I can see it lmao

[glad mist]

Oh God

OH ORIGINALLY

I thought You meant AFTER THE CHANGE

[quaint echo]

you would not beleve how many times that happened

i lost a bunch of brave but stupid purples that exact way, they were chasing a baboon hawk like a kid chasing a butterfly.

[quaint echo]

nerf baboon hawks??????????? please???????

[remote tree]

Make them not kill rocks

[glad mist]

Enemy stun:

[remote tree]

They cant impale them they cant kill them

[glad mist]

But bulborbs can eat rock Pikmin

[remote tree]

Baboon hawks kill by impale then eat

[glad mist]

Hmm

I forgot about those

Impale Pikmin enemy

The one with the red nose and blue back

[remote tree]

Burrowknits?

[glad mist]

They can impale rock too

[quaint echo]

i hate baboon hawks theyre the reason why i stopped going to adamance to get pikmin

[remote tree]

And whatever they were in 1 and 2

[quaint echo]

nuh uh

[remote tree]

They cant though

[glad mist]

Oh they can't?

Intriguing

[remote tree]

THEY NEVER COULD

[glad mist]

I swear I remember seeing it happen

[quaint echo]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-sunglasses-book-reading-gif-15790482

[remote tree]

Bro is on “arboreal frippery”

[tiny sable]

I'll give them a separate (slightly longer) interval for eating Pikmin as a config, because their regular attacking interval is 0.75 seconds long.

[tiny sable]

But high-risk, high reward tho. I think Adamance spawns the most sprouts because it has a lot of AI nodes

[quaint echo]

i knew that

i wrote that down somewhere

[remote tree]

Adamance pluckaphone is free piked men

[quaint echo]

nvm adamance is the best

just land, whiste for like 5 seconds, then dip

[tiny sable]

I will change it so that AI nodes are not entirely depended on the average number a Pikmin will spawn per moon and instead make it dependent on the power level per moon.

But I will still give adamance a slight spawn multiplier

[quaint echo]

um-

yeah a rocky planet has a bunch of plant creatures yeah dat makes sense-

just imagine doing to embrion and there's like 50- 80 pikmin sprouts there

[tiny sable]

Then I'll have Emberion have a way lower chance of spawning sprouts

[remote tree]

Nah

[quaint echo]

have embrion spawn only rock pikmin if that mod is installed lol

[remote tree]

Embrion is perfect high risk high reward

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[quaint echo]

EMBRION LITERALY ISNT SUPPOSTED TO HAVE PLANT LIFE

[remote tree]

Uhhhh

Make the pikmin dead before you pluck them

Wilted

Gone

[quaint echo]

unbreathable air,super hot surface, giant killer robots...

[quaint echo]

perfect envirement to grow healthy and happy pikmin

envirorment*

[remote tree]

Red pikmin:

[quaint echo]

spelling mistake, i lose.

[remote tree]

And bulbmin for the unbreathable air

[quaint echo]

thoughts?

cus according to lore, rock pikmin are like bulbmin, but instead of infecting a host, they infect a rock.

[remote tree]

And reds could survive the heat

[remote tree]

Which is funny since they arent immune to all elements

[tiny sable]

They are similar lore-wise

[quaint echo]

i meant similar via means of parasitism

[quaint echo]

yeah and the flamethower of the giant screaming robots

ik they're called old-birds but that name sounds dumb