[Discontinued] LethalMin (LC Pikmin Mod)

[gaunt mirage]

Am I stupid

let me test this

Ik it works with monster bodies but

it doesnt work with lethalescape updated

ill try starlancer escape

yeah, that doesnt work either, idk what your on about bro

[main blade]

Who ping

[main blade]

In the pikmin config

Apparently its there

Baked into lethalmin pn its own

[gaunt mirage]

where at?

I’m looking at it rn

[main blade]

Idk ive never gotten it to work

[gaunt mirage]

bruhhh

Okay

[dim cliff]

We have Lethalmin. Now wheres LethalMax

[remote tree]

Works for me

[main blade]

Yeah but I also havent tried lmao

[tiny sable]

you don't even need lethal escape or Starlancer escape

[copper vapor]

When you toggle the individual Pikmin config files to appear?
They all have a toggle option to use the container.
To where the red/blue/yellows actually try and run to it and use it. Obviously the ship takes off too fast soo... Giving them the insta-enter-onion option the whites/purples have?
Doesnt let them enter it at all.
I assumed the toggle was intentional to let us have the option of just storing all Pikmin on the ship 😭

[green imp]

this is the best joke ever

[tiny sable]

It has to do with the way Onions work in lethalmin. I totally forgot to exclude the onion variables in the config

[green imp]

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-home-alone-2-lost-in-new-york-marv-fish-gif-2351984600130007279

[copper vapor]

Understandable lmao.

Also; Doesn't the Waterwraith have a voice/noise in the game while its rolling around? 🤔
Im surprised it wasnt added at all!
If ya do add its little noises at all, could trigger whenever it finds a "Target" to follow or something!

Also: it may have gotten stuck in a wall randomly 😭

[tiny sable]

i'm not sure i need to look into it's AI more

[plush pike]

Yeah I think it does have a voice/noises it makes while rolling around, at least definitely in pikmin two

Also what is the water wraith called in lethal quantities?

[main blade]

So the rollers make a constant kcrrrrr noise thats like cement dragging against stone

And as larn says, the water wraith has a "blurblublu" sound and a "blurreahhh" sound

Blurreah comes around when its around pikmin i think

But the blurblublu happens in general, mf be babblin

[tiny sable]

Although it does make a small noise when it starts chasing somthing, you prolly just didn't hear it

[copper vapor]

very likely lol.
I never heard it spawning at all, only heard its moving around noises in the distance

[main blade]

Also I saw wraith

It def DOES have sound

[green imp]

can the water wrath be killed

[main blade]

not yet

planned, but nothin done yet, hes immortal

as he aught to be

[green imp]

k thanks

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/wheat-fall-funny-wheat-fall-gif-4092959132145808680

[plush pike]

Hey does anyone know what the water wraith is listed as using lethal quantities? I’m trying to make him have a higher spawn rate on pikmin moons

Or will he not work with lethal quantities

[south apex]

Maybe ask Noteboxz what the WaterWraith's name is in unity.

Like how the Thumper is called Crawler in unity.

[plush pike]

Yeah that’s what I need I think.

Noteboxz do you know the answer to this?

[remote tree]

Chat

The only time i dont ping is if somebody is offline (i do silent it however) so

Curse of note is offline chat

[green imp]

hey there is a glitch were the pikmin will drop stuff out side the ship then baboon hawks come and well problems happen please fix this

[tiny sable]

prolly just "Water Wraith" or "WaterType"

[remote tree]

Make it bubble buddy

For the memes

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/bubble-buddy-spongebob-gif-16771086986415179360

[green imp]

Hey I just got this idea that might be cool just a tweak but if your near an enemy the pikmin look scared like a dog and maybe trying to avoid it and maybe start to run around scared when someone dies

[south apex]

Maybe whenever the dog roars, it sends your Pikmin into a panic state like the Emperor Bulblax

That’s a good idea btw

[green imp]

Thanks

Also maybe have the Pikmin attack the puffmin

Like this gif

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-2-pikmin-2-player-battle-war-death-gif-12508596516513163000

[south apex]

If the Pikmin attack the Puffmin would they kill the Puffmin?

If yes, that would be kinda bad since you can already whistle Puffmin to return them back to what they used to be.

[green imp]

Yeah point

But funny W A R

[main blade]

thats it

remove puffmin feature to be whistles

we are now at war

[green imp]

War

War never changes

[main blade]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-snake-ashes-gif-21518843

[plush pike]

Hey noteboxz, does the water wraith spawn with the pikmin spawner or the regular spawner? Because it doesn’t seem to work when spawning with lethal quantities

I’m assuming it was the water wraith anyway, it was an enemy called “pikmin (water type)”

[south apex]

All Pikmin are called “Pikmin” no matter the type

So that would be yes

[plush pike]

So weird, I don’t get why it’s not working. I tried giving it a weight of 999, tweaking the spawn curve, but no luck

This is only with using the lethal quantities mod though

[tiny sable]

The water wraith has a unique spawning system that can be entirely controlled in the mod's config file. Lethal Quantities and other spawn editor mods won't work with the water wraith due to this though.

[stone idol]

So what’s special about the Firey Blaxmin of Creaturemin?

[gaunt mirage]

Ohhhh that’s what that is?

I’ll try it tomorrow

[plush pike]

Ok that makes sense, thanks for the info. Would it be possible to add the option to add different weights to different moons with the config? Like some enemy configs allow you to put the moon name and then a weight so it can be more common on certain moons

[tiny sable]

Not yet

[tiny sable]

But soon

[main blade]

Hey note, after waterwraith whats the plan for lethalmin

I assume just random garbo you got cookin like bugfixes and such

Because you've gotten like, 99% of pikmin functionaliry

[tiny sable]

ngl, I kinda want to re-program the entire mod for the next major update. Mainly because: The Client Side is not very good, the game tends to lag a lot on lower-end devices, and most of the code is good practice (mainly the PikminAI script). Thats all because LethalMin is my first Lethal Company mod I made that uses Networking. My other mods are mainly just client-side mods.

Actually, until recently, I had no idea that you could apply scripts within the Unity Editor. So LethalMin applies the scripts to the game objects when the game starts up. Because of that mods like Remnants break.

[main blade]

Mmm, would remake from ground up make the interiors work?

I got a bunch of em that refuse to work with the pikmin-like mods (except waterwraith, that one works fine)

[tiny sable]

Most likely

[tiny sable]

Could you provide a list of interiors that don't work for you?

[main blade]

Ughhhh, more testing

I will get back to yoy

Not sure when though

Inb4 I launch it just fine and another mod was breaking the interiors

[dense turret]

what if zernaos had a special interaction where it spawned after a certain amount of time on each floor

[wind torrent]

yeah i think you can make the pikminai script less than 5000 lines long

[tiny sable]

*5360 lines

[main blade]

By the by, would you be interested in throwing around some pikmin enemies? Into a mod?

[south apex]

There will probably be more Pikmin enemies since he already did the WaterWraith

[main blade]

Mostly asking for my list

UwU

Old toady bloyster, with original toady bloyster sound

First

[tiny sable]

theres this thread https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1327076597009879040

[main blade]

Yes, mine

🥺

Things I would like

[tiny sable]

aw crap how did I not realize that

[main blade]

I am willing to offer

One can of beans

Or the equivalent in polish złoty

Also i need to find someone (or learn myself) how to use model api cause I need cosmetics 😭

[main blade]

Summarize snethal modding in 2 sentences, is hard? I might have asked this before

[tiny sable]

Just like programming in unity. But with extra steps.

[plush pike]

This would be cool to do

[plush pike]

A request I have as well is more options for controlling how quickly the pikmin move scrap in the config. I feel sometimes it’s still to fast, even with the speed cap config set to true

[green imp]

this is both for lethalmin and creaturemin ok so the breadmin is the rockpikmin for my friend but bread min for me what is going on???

[south apex]

Can you send the logs when the game starts? (The part where it shows each ID)

[tiny sable]

Water Wraith Damage Test

Subject to change obvi

[tiny sable]

I can think of 2 causes...
1: Your friend is playing an older/newer version of creaturemin, while you are playing on a newer/older version with different Pikmin Types.
2: The mod is registering the Pikmin Types in a different order on your friend's machine than yours. (If that's the case then it's an issue with LethalMin, if that's the case then that's another reason why I should re-program the mod)

[green imp]

yeah that is what we think

[south apex]

I’m thinking number 2

[gaunt mirage]

That would be insanely cool

Getting it in a hyper polished state would be sweet

Enemies from Pikman would
Go hard even without lethal min installed

[main blade]

Enemy pikmin list

Every day I pray for toady bloyster

[plush pike]

This is so awesome lol

Also, are those pikmin cave interiors ever going to be released?

[tiny sable]

I'm not sure, I think the dev (JaySaty) is talking a break from LC modding.

[plush pike]

Aw darn, ok

[green imp]

I do as well and some moons like summit, but interiors like the grand armory shit will just fall down to lower levels

[tiny sable]

From what I've seen when playing it myself, the grand armory just has a bunch of issues with entities in general, but it's been awhile since i've last tried it though.

[green imp]

hmmm maybe they can just leave it outside and maybe a distends away because of thunder

[main blade]

Grand armoury is major fucked

Just doesnt wprk

[glad mist]

What???

The Pikmin move fine though

[main blade]

No I mean

There was one

Hard crashed my comp

Because its compatibility list was very very low

[glad mist]

It does?

[main blade]

Grand armoury, is the thing where apparatus locks the doors and its got a bunch of walkways, roght?

Bunch of green goo everywhere?

Because whateevr that interior was, it worked with alot of mods but jesus christ if it didn't crash every 2 minutes cause a locker decided to spawn on one of those thin ass walkways

[tiny sable]

Yeah, just tested it, The Pikmin and other entities can beardly navigate in the Grand Armory. Most likely due to the navmeshes in it being screwed.

While I think the Grand Armory is one of the scariest custom interiors, the AI navigation being broken kinda ruins it.

[main blade]

I was right, its the interior with all of those walkways right?

[tiny sable]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Magic_Wesley/WesleysInteriors/
yeah this one right?

[main blade]

I wouldn't say scariest, but most thematic, ues

[glad mist]

Wesley is a slow MF when it comes to updates sadly

[main blade]

God I hate wesley

Is it becayse of any of his real content?

No

Its that horrible fucking noise when the shutters close

Yk that stupid ass voice

Its infuriating

That being said i do like some of his content

But he uses the fuckin, old shit that nobody else uses

Dependencies no other mod uses

Which make me sbo

[tiny sable]

are you talking about the one from the ship windows mod?

[main blade]

YES

That

[tiny sable]

"ｃｌｏｓｉｎｇ ｔｈｅ ｓｈｉｐｓ．． ｓｈｕｔｔｅｒｓ．．．"

[main blade]

YSS

That shit drives me insane

Probably a touch of the tism but

But its called wesley's in configs

Maybe I'm just zoning out idk

[tiny sable]

yeah it is

[main blade]

Wesley

I will destory him

Oh brw note forgot to mention

Because ninty remade pik2, does that mean all models (HD) are available for grabbing?

I assume models are ripped directly from the switch port, for pikmin

But are all of them available?

[glad mist]

Yes let us kill Wesley

[tiny sable]

I'm not too sure because afaik there are no public rips of the models from the HD remakes.

[glad mist]

Suffocation by ball pit

[tiny sable]

but I assume the textures have been upscaled at least.

[main blade]

So then if I may be so bold, where you get yours?

Stg if you said made from the ground up

[tiny sable]

and I have no idea how to rip the HD remakes because while it is a port of a game, it is made for a different console meaning that the model ripping will be different from ripping the ones from the original game cube version.

[tiny sable]

I ripped the from the original Pikmin 2 using this tool: https://github.com/MeltyPlayer/FinModelUtility

[main blade]

And I assume gamecube version has been around alot longer, ie, more support

[main blade]

Wh, but the pikmin models look so high quality

And theyre from pik2?

[tiny sable]

Oh no, the models used in LethalMin are from Pikmin 4

[main blade]

Knew it

Wait

Is pik4 easier to rip than the remakes?

Is it because pik4 runs in unity?

(I might be mixing up memories)

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[tiny sable]

because pik 4 is made in UNREAL ENGINE not UNITY

[main blade]

Sorry I was thinking of that thjng

Uhhh

Diamond pearl remakes

[main blade]

That's interesting, knew it was different but didn't know ninty shilled out for the good stuff

No wonder that game is unbreakable by gunna

Hm, interessante

Btw I'll be testing compatibility between lethal and the interiors, see what interiors are bugged up

If it really is or if i fufked up

[wispy cape]

what mods are incompatible with lethalmin??

[main blade]

A few

Due to navmesh shenanagins

[wispy cape]

Ah okay

[remote tree]

Note

U should make a backup system for maps that have buggy navmesh moments

Like the mkwii moons

[tiny sable]

wdym backup system?

[remote tree]

Like

An alternate way the pikmin follow the leader

If they cant reach them due to lack of navmesh

Like maybe have them just follow a second behind the player or so no matter what

Like cosmic clone

[tiny sable]

cosmic clone?

[remote tree]

Mario galaxy

Just follows the exact movements as the player but a bit delayed

[tiny sable]

not even sure if i can do that

[main blade]

That sounds like making an entirely new system that doesnt already exist in snethal

[remote tree]

Ok

[main blade]

Yeah, you'd literally be making an entire mechanic from scratch

[remote tree]

I was just suggesting

[remote tree]

To be fair so is the pikmin themselves-

[main blade]

Its a good idea but the game wasn't made for thatt

[main blade]

Yeah but they can reuse say, the bracken code

And follow a peep

[tiny sable]

interesting idea though.

[main blade]

Could you do that with an item?

Makes me think holding a whistle makes pikmin follow you

So they dont just yk follow any joe schmoe

That would be pretty cool, and if it somehow used its own pathfinding without navmesh, could be neat

[remote tree]

But still just need any backup system

[tiny sable]

but that's in the mod?

There could be a backup system for moons/interiors with broken navmeshes, but I'm not entirely sure how I would go around implementing it.

[remote tree]

Idk like a list that is configuable or smthn

[tiny sable]

I'm sayin how would I make the pikmin move without a navmesh

[remote tree]

Hm

Maybe check for collision surfaces

Or soemthing like how the player character can stand on things

Or maybe how tulip snakes dash?

Idk

[tiny sable]

ITS DEAD

[main blade]

I mean, have pikmin no longer follow you without owning a whistle first

[remote tree]

Bro doing that :AAAAAAA: pose

https://tenor.com/view/screams-vanishing-gif-23313762

[south apex]

I know Purples will be able to kill the WaterWraith, but will there be a config to LethalMinLibrary for a type to kill the WaterWraith? (or damage it in the rolling state)

[tiny sable]

I'm not too sure because Purples actually use a custom script that gives them their landing effect. Without pikmin I'm thinking of using explosions (easter eggs, stun grenades) to make it go into its scared state.

[south apex]

Maybe there can be a option for LethalMinLibrary to add the landing effect to a pikmin. (For example: I can give my Firey Blaxmin the slam option in unity)

[main blade]

If stun grenade works, I second it

[south apex]

Thinking that a shockwave makes the WaterWraith attackable (probably) means like most stuff that is explosive.

should make it vulnerible

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

So I keep trying to use Melaines 2 story mod

But the pikmin keep breaking on specific moons

I have no idea how to fix it

[main blade]

Probably not the mod

Probaly the moons

[glad mist]

Its just Affliction

[tiny sable]

Not sure what I can do about it. I think 2 story might have a moon blacklist for navmesh generation

[glad mist]

Okay

So

I did that

And now they just... Don't move

[glad mist]

What kinda suit is that

Kinda looks like mine but less green...

[tiny sable]

Yellow Pikmin
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Conner/PikminSuits/

[glad mist]

Ah

[tiny sable]

i (kinda) figured out custom interiors

[wind torrent]

S T A R T

[south apex]

S T A R T

[south apex]

I just realized all the scrap are teakettles lol

[tiny sable]

The Utah Teapot to be exact

[tiny sable]

I've changed the way collision works so now you can have a real Pikmin 2 moment in Lethal Company

Before there was an interval between pikmin getting crushed

[remote tree]

Slightly less than default blender teapot

Aka the same one used in

Regretevatorio roblox

[dry hedge]

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/jwhzYQLgAXMJgw7M9?invite=cr-MSxYSFksMjIyNzQxODAxLA

Peak Pikmin gaming

[remote tree]

“Carry storing” ahh glitch

Also

[dry hedge]

I didn't even mean to do it too lol

I was in shock and just dropped the body

[remote tree]

Make the wraith emit his song throughout the enitre interior/exterior (where he is spawned)

[dry hedge]

Dear god

[remote tree]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-waterwraith-pikmin-4-gif-13735830314249459944

[dry hedge]

Pov: You inverse teleport into the facility with your pikmin and just hear that

[remote tree]

WE GETTIN PTSD WITH THIS ONE

[dry hedge]

YEAHHHH

[remote tree]

“Oh boy i sure cant waits to inverse teleports” i say with joys
Waterwraith: “no, no you do’s nots”

[dry hedge]

Jarvis, make that into a meme

[plush pike]

This would be great. It could be a config too so if you don’t want it you can adjust the volume to 0

[main blade]

biggest question is, when waterwraith is ducking, does his rollers still kill pikmin?

[south apex]

Mithzan tried out your mod at 3:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWnrofqPd1g&t=178s

pretty rad

[tiny sable]

The water wraith Update is almost done, I just have to update the Pikmin 2 style's models and animations

[south apex]

sweet

[tiny sable]

i hate snareflees as much as I hate shereflees

[south apex]

I'm always testing on Experimentation and I go inside and them stupid evil snarefleas

thats why I banish them if I see it spawn

[dense turret]

both of the water wraith model styles seem to overlay on eachother

[tiny sable]

mod list/mod manager code plz

[south apex]

ah yes another video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqqn2jgv-VI

[dense turret]

01948055-b28d-b409-bc91-9583c5298a7e

[marble mesa]

(Crying)

[south apex]

the two mods that have dependencies for LethalMinLibrary, they look like brother and brother.

[wind torrent]

when did my mod hit 1000 downloads

thats cool

[south apex]

Is there any way to attack the WaterWraith using pikmin once its been stunned? I throw pikmin at it once its stunned and it doesn't do anything.

[tiny sable]

sorry

[south apex]

Also, I don't know if the WaterWraith can spawn outside. I set the config to Indoor and Outdoor spawning, but I've never seen him outside.

[tiny sable]

The water wraith uses nodes to determine it's spawn location, and because there tends to be more indoor nodes than outdoor nodes there is a higher chance for its to spawn indoors

[south apex]

Maybe a config for the WaterWraith to go outside using the main entrance like Masks

[wind torrent]

no

keep it inside

i dont want a water wraith getting into the ship

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/water-wraith-waterwraith-walter-walter-white-walter-wraith-gif-9459205588676645833

[tiny sable]

ʷᵃˡᵗᵉʳ ʷʳᵃᶦᵗʰ

[tiny sable]

Has anyone had any issues with the Water Wraith not moving after spawning?

[dry hedge]

I found out that you can get infinite common enemy essence with a yellow pikmin, tesla gate, and sellbodiesfixed.

[south apex]

wait how with a yellow though, aren't they immune to electricity?

[tiny sable]

It's prolly due to the way SellBodies work and the way I made Pikmin immune to the tesla gate. From what I can assume, SellBodiesFixed looks to see if an entity's kill function has been called. When it is, it spawns in the body. However, SellBodiesFixed does not check if the enemy is actually dead before spawning in the body. So, because I wanted to make yellows immune to the tesla gate without any compat issues, I modded the tesla gate's script to check if it will zap an enemy, if it's a pikmin that is resistant to electricity, then give the pikmin temporary immunity before zapping. Durring the zap, any enemies within it's trigger will have their kill function called. This also goes for pikmin, but due to the immunity, calling the kill function does not kill the pikmin. After the tesla gate is done zapping, it disables the immunity. This works normally, but because the tesla gate calls the kill function, even though it does not really kill the pikmin, SellBodiesFixed still spawns the body, or in this case common enemy essence. So, you can get infinite common enemy essence.

[tiny sable]

In lethal company, there is a variable on every entity's script to check if it's dead. This variable is usually set to true when the kill function is called. But, I assume SellableBodiesFixed does not check if this varible is true before spawning in the body. Because, when I was testing the water wraith and called the kill function, even though it did not set the variable to true, SellBodiesFixed moved the water wraith in an attempt to spawn in a body. This just ended up making it look like the water wraith vanishes in the middle of its dying animation. So, I had to work around that by only calling the kill function after the water wraith does it's death animation.

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/ralphwiggum-smart-simpsons-gif-5270199

[south apex]

We have SellBodiesFixed and that doesn't happen to me when the WaterWraith dies.

it just kinda sits there dead on the ground forever.

[tiny sable]

(I might have messed up with calling the kill function manually)

looking at the repo code, It does appear that SellBodiesFix just spawns the body after the kill function is called and does not check if the variable "isEnemyDead" Is set to true.

I assumed that the delay before spawning the body was to check if an enemy had really died, but it seems like it's just used to let the enemy play its death animation before spawning the body.

[south apex]

So it waits 4 seconds, then spawns in the body because I don't think any vanilla death animations are longer than 4 seconds.

[tiny sable]

I can imagine that it waits 4 seconds just to be safe, because enemy death animations in lethal company are very short.

[south apex]

Also maybe because since it has compatibility with custom enemies, it waits 4 seconds just in case for any modded enemies.

[tiny sable]

Acutally, now looking back. I prolly did not have to do the whole protection thing with the tesla gate because it kills enemies in an OnTriggerStay function. That function is called once for each enemy that stays within the tesla gates kill trigger. So, I could have just modded the method to be skipped when it's called for the Pikmin if it's immune to electricity and there would likely be no issues.

[dense turret]

pikmin seem unable to be crushed by the dropship

[tiny sable]

thats because there is no death triggers for entites under the dropship.

[dense turret]

this is so sad

[formal fog]

I imagine since its being made for this, are the pellet posies breakable in pikmoons? I hear noises when I hit them but we punched at them from 7:45am-12:45pm with no luck

[south apex]

Noteboxz hasn't added a feature for that, neither on custom moons, so no.

[formal fog]

I figured it out, requires an actual weapon to knock it down apparently

[south apex]

woah thats cool

[formal fog]

sadly they cost basically nothing

[green imp]

hey what mod dose the tesla gate on

[dim cliff]

Piggy's variety mod

With the guns

[main blade]

its terrible

the tesla gate never works

bricks my computer every time

[marble mesa]

They cant drop :c

[tiny sable]

Navmesh issue

[tiny sable]

I wonder if I can make the Pikmin detect when they are on a ledge like this to make them down warp to the ground.

[south apex]

That would probably need to rework some code to make it work

[tiny sable]

I'm already re-programming the mod so might as well try

[glad mist]

I mean

I'm gonna be real

Even zeekers doesn't know what to do

OH YEAH

I forgot to mention there were some issues with one moon and Pikmin

[tiny sable]

Add navmesh links.

[glad mist]

🤦

[glad mist]

I think it was Tunere from Rosie's moons

Why? They forgot to add fucking navmesh

By the fire exit

I think

[tiny sable]

There are just some areas where he didn't add navmesh links because he didn't expect entitys to get into areas where they can't get down from. Like the fire exits on offense and assurance

[glad mist]

Why tho

[glad mist]

Can we just delete lethal company

Simple solution!

[wind torrent]

those pikmin are very intimidating

[green imp]

You fool I told you not to do it you fool use integrated John pikmin fools all of you fools

[short chasm]

how does the obstacle avoidance work? which value should i set?

Can this mod be made compatible with ProblematicPilotry?

[south apex]

The onion would probably land in the same area that the ship lands at Vanilla, but probably yes.

[short chasm]

the problem is that they get stuck below the ship all the time when they try to carry items there. i thought thats because of problematicpilotry as its not the default landing spot

[south apex]

Maybe no navmesh is in the new ship area, or Pikmin just cannot find a way to get onto the ship.

[short chasm]

No the ship lands on navmeshes ofc. Otherwise outside enemies couldn't go there as well. As the minions go to the ladder of the ship every time this seems to be the ancor point. Ofc the ship has a different rotation everytime but im confident that you could make it work with lethalmin

[remote tree]

did you just call the pikmin minions

GET OU-

[short chasm]

Oh sry xD I wasnt familiar with the pikmin lore before ... Guess I missed sth

[remote tree]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-onion-carry-that-guy-gif-9513680558963442930

[short chasm]

@tiny sable
Here i wanna summarize the questions again that i currently have and that arise from the gameplay and the mod page on thunderstore:

1. Will the pikmins eventually unstuck themselves when they are stuck pathing in the interior? They also get stuck on the yellow pipe in the apparatus room in facility btw. i know that if you wait long enough they somehow manage to free themselves most of the time but it may take almost the whole ingame day. when youre too late into the day, they wont make it.
2. how does the obstacle avoidance work? which value should i set? whats the difference? There is no explanation given on the mod page or in the config files. the existence of options concerning that implies that they each have advantages and disadvantages in certain situations.
3. Can you make the pikmins come back to you from the ship/main entrance after they deposited their items?
4. Will you make it possible to cancel pikmins carrying items in the future (for example if they are stuck and you wanna get back the scrap and the pikmins)?
5. Do the pikmins count to the interior enemy pool (as they are marked red when scanned)?

Also the stats at the end of the round dont seem to be correct

[green imp]

For 3 no not at the moment

But plan to be an item also errrm (puts up nerd glasses) the plural to pikmin is just pikmin only a true gamer would know that nerd🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓(jk I don’t really care

[green imp]

Kill me

[short chasm]

i didnt know pikmin before :D shame on me. this mod was my first encounter with the lore

[green imp]

Yeah, don’t worry I’m just pulling your leg

[main blade]

Pikmins

[green imp]

Gasp

I can’t believe you

Only one thing can solve this and THATS

[tiny sable]

1. You can call pikmin off an item by buying a whistle to get them unstuck. Their pathing is screwed in the apparatus room for some reason, so you need to place items outside of the room for them to carry.
2. A little complex, but the simple answer, "No Obstacle Avoidance" means that pikmin will walk through each other and doors. Complex answer (From unity docs) Obstacle avoidance quality. If you have high number of agents/entities, you can save CPU time by reducing the obstacle avoidance quality. Setting avoidance to none, will only resolve collision, but will not try to actively avoid other agents and obstacles.
3. Like quack said, no right now.
4. You can buy a whistle from the store to call pikmin off items. It is literally implied that on the mod page, but now looking at it now, I should have clarified that more. The amount of people I've seen that just does not even know that the whistle exists, or that it is even realized to LethalMin is insane.
5. Yes, in the game they are counted as enemies. Meaning that if pikmin are near a door, it will show up as "nearby activity".

[short chasm]

Oh okay so the best way to go here is essentially no obstacle avoidance so they can just pass through stuff (even props in modded interiors they would get stuck on if they were set to high avoidance).
Oh alright. Now i understand the whistle better.
5. yes that it noticed

[short chasm]

I was only concerned that the pikmin took the spots (spawns) away from the other monsters.

[short chasm]

Do you think when obstacle avoidance is set to none lethalmin might also work with problematicpilotry as they prob wouldnt get stuck below the ship anymore?

[tiny sable]

I'm not sure, because there still needs to be an actual navmesh on the ship. Setting the obsticle avoidence to none will only affect collisions with other agens and objects

[tiny sable]

I'm not sure if that really happens because pikmin do not change the power level at all. However, you can disable them from being spawned by the game by turning on this config

[main blade]

Oh btw note

I forgot the mod that adds the "AC units"

Wait im srupid

Ok so.

Ship turrets

They target pikmin

Do you have fix? 🥺

[tiny sable]

Does the mod have an enemy black list in the configs?

[main blade]

Nah, whitelist

Or, wait yes

Its a whitelist for what not to target

So i suppose that is a blacklist lmao

Pikmin iirc are all named "pikmin" in files right?

Red blue yellow etc, all just pikmin

[tiny sable]

Just "Pikmin"

Every pikmin type is registered as just one enemy in the game.

[main blade]

And uhh

Does that impact other pikmins?

Yk the rock and other shenanagins?

[tiny sable]

wdym

[main blade]

Mm i suppose you might not know what those other pikmin mods name their piks

Nvm, I'll do that uhhh later

[tiny sable]

are you refering to the custom pikmin type mods

[main blade]

Yes

[tiny sable]

Yeah, every Pikmin type, including Custom pikmin types are registred as just one enemy in the game

So adding "Pikmin" To a White/Black list will count every pikmin type.

[main blade]

Oooh intrigue, I avoided whitelist since I didn't know it targetted pikmin, and once it did, I figured I'd check out here beforehand

Goog to knoog thx bb ily

Also, do blues really have any practical use?

There's hardly any water in snethal

[short chasm]

so when this is disabled the pools will be seperate? they will be spawned by the mod and not by the vanilla algorithm?

[tiny sable]

flooded moons

[tiny sable]

Yes, they will only be spawned by LethalMin's spawning system and not the Vanilla system when the config is on

[short chasm]

is there a noticable difference?

[main blade]

Hm. Wondering

[tiny sable]

When the config is off, random pikmin types can spawn in on the moon. This happens more often on moons with high power levels. However, this does not really happen too often so it's not really noticeable.

[short chasm]

Im using LethalQuantities and usually you have to manually add enemies to your customized lists per moon. otherwise they just wont spawn (thats what ive been told multiple times). i didnt add the pikmin but they still spawned.

[tiny sable]

Are you refering to the pikmin that spawn indoors?

[short chasm]

oh i saw just now that its disabled by default already.. so they already use the mods spawn algorithm. so nvm

[tiny sable]

I won't be using AI nodes anymore for sprout and onion spawn locations because they have been proven to be quite problematic on custom moons.

[remote tree]

I wonder if Masae has heard of this degenerate before

https://tenor.com/view/louie-pikmin-pikmin-pikmin-2-pikmin-3-pikmin-4-gif-465705510870896349

[tiny sable]

I'm going to pay a lot more attention to the performance and the client-side this time. This is how the game runs when testing 100 Pikmin, currently.

[remote tree]

I only lag at 300 pikmin

[south apex]

wow

[remote tree]

Unless im on laptop

In which case i lag with only framerate IMPROVING mods let alone no mods

[south apex]

I'm on a Laptop rn, and I can run about 250 pikmin.

Until it starts to get laggy

[remote tree]

Gaming laptop i dont have gaming laptop

Only gaming pc

[south apex]

My brother has a gaming PC, I don't sadly.

[remote tree]

Gaming laptops are enough honestly in my opinion

Which i dont have

[main blade]

The people have spoken

[tiny sable]

What really matters to me is if the game could be up to at least 60 fps with 100 pikmin.

[glad mist]

Thank you

The amount of times I have mentioned the fps shit

[short chasm]

When using lethalmins spawning system... will they be able to spawn on modded moons outside?

[green imp]

Have it so you can switch it in settings

[green imp]

All because there is a slight chance that you can indoor pikmin to spawn outside btw you can change this in config

Also take very thing I say will caution because I did not make lethal min or had anything to do it with this is just what I know with me just using logic

[short chasm]

couldnt find any option that enables indoor pikmin to spawn outside

also i noticed pikmin get killed by baboon hawks. theres no option to turn that off in the config. the baboon hawk is not one of the enemies you can configure in the lethalmin config

[main blade]

Pikmin first person shooter confirmed?

[short chasm]

i cant really estimate how much a change in for example +0.05 for spawn weight (for example for the onion or indoor or outdoor pikmin) does. it seems like even small changes make a huge impact

Also what if you set the maxradius for the whistle to 1000? can pikmin hear it on the entire map?

Is the hoarding bug eat buffer in seconds?

[green imp]

Well yes but no you can slow down there kill rate and how many they can eat

[short chasm]

for the hoarding bugs yea but for the baboon hakws? couldnt find that option

[tiny sable]

You can switch it, just that a lot of people don't do so. So, I'm wondering if I should change the defult keybind.

[tiny sable]

Yes, but only on the server side iirc

[short chasm]

oh so you mean it works only for the host if you play multiplayer?

[tiny sable]

If you are in single player, or if you are in multiplayer and you're the host of the server

[tiny sable]

Unfortunetly, there is no way to change their attack rate because thats just the way their AI works. They have a really quick attack buffer and instatly attacks anything they come into contact with. But I think I'm change that in the Reprogram.

[short chasm]

oh yea sure okay. me and my friends always make sure to have the same profile anyways

[short chasm]

oh so its also not possible to introduce an option to turn off baboon hawks attacking pikmin?

[marble mesa]

Ship turrets???? what where how why

[marble mesa]

Killing dog day nets a bunch

[wind torrent]

you have not seen what it looks like to bring back a giant

the dog gives nothing compared to a giant

[south apex]

Doesn't it take like 140 pikmin to carry a Giant

[glad mist]

Around there

But you guys haven't even seen what a redwood giant does

[plush pike]

How’s the compatibility with this mod and pikmoons

[tiny sable]

It only takes like 14 purples to carry a giant

[tiny sable]

Decent, I have had issues with onions landing way too close to each other though.

[south apex]

they jumping me

[plush pike]

Hey do we need to have the moon number in the water wraith config

For moon rarity

[tiny sable]

Yeah, basically the name you see in the on the ship's screen is the name you put in the config.

So far, the Reprogrammed throwing system is looking much better on the client side (Mostly). Now that is actually using the pikmin's rigid body and not a network rigidbody.

[dense turret]

i feel like it'd be easier to do the regular name (one you see on the terminal) like every other custom enemy instead of the name with the number...

[tiny sable]

I would have done that, but from what I could find there is no easy way to get the numberless name without risk. Because in the game's code the "regular name" is the one with numbers

[plush pike]

And I keep the space right? Like this: 61 march:30,

[tiny sable]

Yep

[south apex]

I was testing on my moon with the Company Cruiser and whenever it blows up, the pikmin are still in the back, acting like nothing happened.

The exploded car kept bouncing for like 10 seconds too.

[tiny sable]

ok

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

What do I do about the orange circle

[tiny sable]

what orange circle

@glad mist

[main blade]

Me

[glad mist]

So when lethal min is installed

With other players they can see an orange circle by their feet

Like a

Hitbox?

[tiny sable]

are you talking about the videos I've showed or the release version of lethalmin?

[glad mist]

No

Release

Like in my mod pack

People can see orange circles

[tiny sable]

r2r code now please

[glad mist]

Here

I have a video too

Like in the videos you show

Weird right?

[tiny sable]

That is a debug trigger that visualizes the range pikmin notice the player. It is supposed to be removed once it is first initalized. The fact that it's still there means that something is screwing up the initialization processes.

[glad mist]

Still need that code?

[glad mist]

Please help me fix it

[tiny sable]

ye

[glad mist]

My friends are getting mad about it

[tiny sable]

ye ye

[glad mist]

Here ya go

[tiny sable]

anddd i can't replicate it :D

did the circles show once the game first started?

[short chasm]

@tiny sable is the "damage multiplier" in the cheats section responsible for how much damage the pikmin do to enemies?

[green imp]

Yes

It says that

[short chasm]

So whats the default damage? I need a reference

[green imp]

It say it what are you using for the configs

Are you used g lethal config or are you use the config in thunderstore/r2modman

[short chasm]

1... so 1 damage point? So if a spider has 20 health points (idk) a pikmin does 1 point. im using gale btw. also have lethalconfig for ingame yea

[green imp]

Don’t use lethal config

[short chasm]

i mean lethal config is useful for ingame but because many settings are applied with a game restart anyways you would have to restart the game anyway

[green imp]

Yeah but sometimes key information does not show up

[short chasm]

yea i noticed

[green imp]

Most of your questions at this point should be answered if you just spend 1015 minutes just looking through that not with lethal config but with your mod manager

[short chasm]

so do you know anything bout this?

[green imp]

Yes

The answer to the question is yes

sorry went I wee bit on a rant

[short chasm]

am i missing something? :D
i think you didnt answer the "1... so 1 damage point? So if a spider has 20 health points (idk) a pikmin does 1 point?" part.

[tiny sable]

Less than a shovel around (0.01)

[south apex]

I think all Pikmin do 0.05 damage, while Red Pikmin do 0.1 (same to 0.10)

[green imp]

@tiny sable what mod is the Tesla gate in

[south apex]

Piggys Variety Mod

[green imp]

Thanks

[south apex]

np

[glad mist]

It stayed

Remember it was on other clients

I never saw them

Only they did

[glad mist]

Also yes and for the whole game

[tiny sable]

still cant replicate it :DDDDDDDDDDD

[tiny sable]

inproved throwing system

[glad mist]

That is

So weird

If it happens again I'll make sure to ask them to record

[tiny sable]

Okay

and provide .log files, if they can

[glad mist]

Understood

[plush pike]

I can’t seem to get the spawn config for the water wraith to work on the pikmoons

[main blade]

btw

I never really did give you that list of interiors

but here's an error that i spent 2 seconds looking at lmao

[stone idol]

For some reason I am unable to buy the pikmin container?

The terminal just says
“This action is not compatible with this object”

[tiny sable]

type "pikmin-container"

with a dash

[stone idol]

I did

If it’s case sensitive I’m going to flip

[tiny sable]

or just type "pik"

[south apex]

I managed to angle my Pikmin at the right angle to attack the hygrodere

[remote tree]

How the heeee-

Note, patch this bug by making the hydrogere unlatchable

If u can/wanna

[plush pike]

Could it be that the water wraith is incompatible with certain interiors or is it that if pikmin can spawn in them he will spawn in them

[plush pike]

nevermind, he works in the interior. I think the config isnt working. When i used the individual weights he wasnt spawning, but when i changed the main spawn rate to 99 he did

heres the config i was using

0194af43-86c2-a3d0-789e-059b97f9b4ba

[tiny sable]

I've decided to no longer update the Beta (public) version of the mod to work on the Full Version of the mod.

[wind torrent]

herobrine pikmin

[tiny sable]

Players will be able to switch between Pikmin game models.

This only affects the local client side

[green imp]

hey can you fix the onion spawn on motra for Wesley moons journeys and asteroid-13 idk if other moons in that one have bugs too have not unlocked them yet

[plush pike]

Does this apply to the water wraith mod?

[tiny sable]

No, that will still be updated.

[tiny sable]

^ (counter subject to change) ^

[plush pike]

Ok cool. Did you happen to see my comment about the water wraith moon config? It seems to not be working

[tiny sable]

Could you show me your configs?

[plush pike]

Here’s the code I was using

[plush pike]

0194af43-86c2-a3d0-789e-059b97f9b4ba

[tiny sable]

173 mods

[tiny sable]

aw crap

yeah because I was to lazy to implement my custom spawning function I just used lethal company's spawning function which reqiures the waterwraith to be in the enemies list. Some mod must be affecting what enemies can spawn on what moons so I'll change the code to use a custom spawning function

Acutally I didn't know the enemies list was a list and not an array so I can just add the water wraith to the end of the list

Oh that and also due to an extra comma at the end of the list, I think the spawning system breaks entirely

[tiny sable]

Fixed it

[regal mountain]

Water Wraith somehow fits into LC's style I like it

[plush pike]

Thank you for the help!! That damn extra comma lol

[green imp]

So we can still play lethalmin but when the mod is done we can’t and we will have a different mod right

[tiny sable]

The Full Version will just be a major update to the original so you can still rollback to the beta version

[green imp]

Kk

https://tenor.com/view/cat-reginald-reginald-cat-reginald-my-reginald-my-beloved-gif-15473365172668254801

[green imp]

Reginal for lethalmin full version

I beg you

[main blade]

Regimin

[tiny sable]

Due to the complexity of the new Pikmin Type code, The Library will also be Reprogrammed. However custom Pikmin Types (CreatureMin/RockPikmin) made from the Beta version will be compatible with the full version.

[green imp]

Woohoo

https://tenor.com/view/rock-everythingeverywhereallatonce-gif-25516405

[south apex]

thank you NoteBoxz

[plush pike]

Once again, awesome work

[olive haven]

no way, it's like pikmin

them just sliding over while tposing is very funny

[green imp]

They gather around the sacred v8 engine

Do not disturb their meeting

[remote tree]

So is the mod just completely being redone?

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[tiny sable]

The throwing system is now 10 times better on both the Client and Server sides.

[main blade]

And its r, right?

[tiny sable]

yet

*yep

[main blade]

Goog

[wind torrent]

when hey pikmin models

[tiny sable]

when i find a way to dump hey pikmin models

[tiny sable]

found a way

[wind torrent]

his eyes are so big

there aren’t whites and purples in hey pikmin tho

[tiny sable]

crap you're right

I'll just make custom models for purples and whites

[olive haven]

take pikmin 2, put big eyes, good enough

[south apex]

Do you think it’s possible for the Crumbug to be ripped too?

It might be the next type for CreatureMin if yes

[tiny sable]

Got it

[main blade]

Can you make a toady bloystmin?

Make it so its 7 tongues latch itself on harder than others, meaning it cant be shaken off, and does .07 more damage

[tiny sable]

Looking at both Red Pikmin's 1 and 2 Models, I don't think there's that much of a noticeable difference between the 2.

[main blade]

I found where it came from

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042223134952144986/1335009098126856313/temp1239080349809345809829013.jpg?ex=679e9b9c&is=679d4a1c&hm=c578942488bea9bf4f5ff2c3a63a1d8e3bb95acf35ffe56c3908d603b38e98cb&

[wind torrent]

the eyes are basically the only difference

[tiny sable]

and thats only because I had to kinda mess with the UVs on the model I dumped because the textures were broken. I'm not even sure if that's how it actually looks in Pikmin 1.

[main blade]

I suspect theyd be darker

Pik1 itself is so dark

[south apex]

I was testing on my moon and I got the Meteor Shower event, and the pikmin are kinda buggy with it

Sometimes if a meteor lands on them, they won't die, or will

its like a 50%

[tiny sable]

Okay

odd 🤔

[south apex]

Also what is the Squashed Animation for custom pikmin used for? I've never seen the animation actually be used (Like Spike Traps)

[green imp]

The if the breadmin gets squished turn him into a toasted loaf of bread

For gits and shiggles

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-get-this-bread-praise-the-loaf-funny-get-that-breat-get-it-gif-12897456

[tiny sable]

It's UNused :D

But it will be used in the full version of couse

[south apex]

I think instead of Brackens just doing nothing to Pikmin should be changed to like being able to kidnapp 2 at a time (When angered)

[wind torrent]

in the full version, will crush resistant pikmin be turned into sprouts when crushed?

like in the games with rock pikmin

[tiny sable]

As an option yeah

[remote tree]

Will we get upgrades?

For the whistle and container

Like, “container: bulbmin” to upgrade per type that cant be stored

Like

You have to buy an upgrade for each of the types individually but u can choose which type the upgrade lets u store

[south apex]

Probably yes, because I think Noteboxz has said yes to the Pluckaphone (idk if I spelled it correctly)

[remote tree]

Obv custom type makers can choose if even that wont let u store them

[remote tree]

Ye

I wonder if/what upgrades will be not from the games

Like the better container

I suggested above

[south apex]

I'd like that, maybe for like $700

cause storing Bulbmin would be pretty OP

[remote tree]

Ye whati was thinking

To get all unstorable types so far including what u made would be like, 2800 because of bulb, blax, parasite, and orange

(The upgrade would only allow one extra type to be stored at a time)

And i hope they fix the custom onions not merging

[south apex]

Maybe custom type makers can change the price too.

[remote tree]

Ye

[south apex]

cause like Parasitic Pikmin being stored would also be pretty OP

[remote tree]

Honstly the rarity balances it

[south apex]

The Parasitic rarity is 0.6 or close to it.

As other types rarities are 1

[remote tree]

Fair

Note, we (i) would like:

• purple and white onions as config
• per onion rarity configs (for the type makers)
• container upgrades (buy for one extra type containable, type makers can change price for their types upgrade and even block it from being upgraded to be stored in upgraded container)
• pluckaphone upgrade (not a separate item, upgrades whistles)
• whistle+ (range upgrade, also not a separate item, upgrades normal whistles)
• desync fixes
• Force onion in cheats (dynamically makes an onion for each pikmin type including custom ones)
• carry weight overrides (so i can actually harvest the giant)

I wonder which ones are: confirmed, possible, impossible, “no, just no”

[tiny sable]

I know I should, but I hate brackens so much that I might not even do it

[remote tree]

Make the bracken moss

Also

Let him carry 4 at a time (i would be able to take 2 in each hand) or even 10 (aforementioned and his leaves)

Also i forget/hadnt seen, can the pikmin and puffmin fight

And can pikmin attack masked

[south apex]

They cannot

[remote tree]

Mainly force onions or atleast purple and white onions
Pluckaphone
Better container

[tiny sable]

All of them are Confirmed

[remote tree]

Woa

Yippe

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-tbh-yippee-confetti-pikmin-1-gif-17640703633309074010

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-4424327859207003508

[remote tree]

Did i really just guess/form the next update

Lol

[south apex]

I also hate Brackens

[wind torrent]

are we also getting custom onions fusing with the main one

[tiny sable]

of course

[south apex]

Prepare to see this

[dense turret]

brackens should atleast be able to shake pikmin off

[dense turret]

what mod works well for making enemies drop corpses as scrap for pikmin

[tiny sable]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Entity378/SellBodiesFixed/

[tiny sable]

The Whistle no longer cause lag and no longer buffer Pikmin

[green imp]

Have it not kill them you can use this as a warning then when 2 get taken they scream so you know that you should attack or run

[green imp]

Only when that go crazy is when they should kill pikmin and have them go after pikmin with scrap rarely though

[tiny sable]

The reason the Beta version lags so much when whistling is that, when a Pikmin is whistled, instead of calling just a single server and client RPC as it does now, it calls multiple Server RPCs and Client RPCs. (I believe it’s around 2 Server RPCs and 3 Client RPCs, possibly even more if the Pikmin is holding an item.) I can’t determine the exact number because the code is tangled in a mess of spaghetti code. For example, when the whistle method calls a Server RPC, that Server RPC might call another Server RPC, which could then call a Client RPC, and so on, (Not to mention the hundreds of if statements the code went through). The buffering between each Pikmin was just a Band-Aid solution to address the lag. Because at the time, I didn't understand that you only needed to call one Server and Client RPC.

[tiny sable]

interesting ideas, although I kind of prefer if the bracken didn't kill Pikmin and only went after players in its angry state.

[green imp]

Yeah k but make it so you can out run it like the more pikmin on it the slower it will go

[south apex]

I meant like it only kidnapps them, he doesn't kill them though

[tiny sable]

Yeah thats what I ment

[remote tree]

Btw note

Can we pls have, atleast as a config

A way to stop pikmin carrying the whistles

(They steal it when me/my friend try to kill snare fleas)

[tiny sable]

There is a way currently via this config

[remote tree]

Ah ty, whats the whistle name in the code so i can do that later

[tiny sable]

Just "Whistle"

I think

[remote tree]

Ty

[plush pike]

I’m stoked for the big update

[wind torrent]

pikmin bomb

[remote tree]

I legit guessed most/all of the features lol

[tiny sable]

I'm focusing more on Item Routing this time so that Pikmin won't get stuck on walls so often. Here is what I have so far

[dense turret]

i wonder if you could make them take a more central route instead of hugging the walls

[remote tree]

This i want

[main blade]

Seems more cosmetic than anything

[tiny sable]

wdym by cenreal route

[dense turret]

walking in the center of the room instead of by the walls

[tiny sable]

ohhh okay i get it

[main blade]

Seens not that important rhi

Again, cosmetic more rhan anything

[olive haven]

kinda just seemed like they were taking an optimal route, not trying to stick near the walls lol

[main blade]

^

A to B

Type beat

[tiny sable]

I also wonder if that is possible, because I'd like it if the pikmin were to stop at the point they get blocked off at, and while sometimes they do, other times they go into a random wall that is nowhere near the point they are blocked off at (kinda like in the video), and that has to do with the way Unity's pathfinding works.

[dense turret]

he loves playing with key

[tiny sable]

Got some basic carrying working

Unlike the beta, the full version now dynamically switches the primary Pikmin that is on the item. Meaning that if the first pikmin on the item is called off the item, the primary pikmin carrying the item will switch to the next pikmin that is carring the item.

Instead of just removing every pikmin on the item

[glad mist]

@tiny sable I don't mean to be a broken record

But the spawning and taking Pikmin out the onion is gonna be improved right?

Cause pulling pikmin would cause a spike

And don't even tell me about the onion

I really recommend testing with some mods

Cause it gets... Bad.

[main blade]

Can we add vitamin C to the gamw

[tiny sable]

yeah of course

@glad mist

[tiny sable]

Know that I know what I'm actually doing when it comes to networking, onion withdrawing will be improved.

[glad mist]

That's great

I just don't wanna have a lag spike or have the game move to 12 frames from removing just 10 Pikmin

😭

The weird thing is that like I think it's with certain mods???

Just Pikmin alone didn't do too much

[tiny sable]

What kind of mods?

[glad mist]

It's my pack

So idk!

[glad mist]

Is it the performance? Is it the other mods?

I have no idea

Theres like 86

[tiny sable]

So you're saying when lethalmin is installed with few other mods the game does not lag as hard when withdrawing?

[glad mist]

Yeah

I don't know what I did

But with a pack it was HELL

And with like idk

20? It was fine

[tiny sable]

hmmm

[glad mist]

I think before you did that onion performance update

It performed better

It's odd

[glad mist]

Pink!

[remote tree]

Spore lizard moment. Or subspace tripmine

https://tenor.com/view/subspace-tripmine-roblox-family-guy-stewie-stewie-griffin-gif-26950677

[glad mist]

Subspace tripmine

[green imp]

weird looking risk of rain item

[glad mist]

What did bro see

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/water-wraith-waterwraith-walter-walter-white-walter-wraith-gif-9459205588676645833

He saw the Walter Wraith

[remote tree]

How did bro see the waterwraith he isnt blue

[tiny sable]

[WIP] New logo

[main blade]

make orange leafs more yellow, and make the flowers more pink, less orange

[dense turret]

i wonder if you could make the lethal part also flowers, but with bracken leaves and a white flower

[main blade]

I think lethal is fine as is

it shows that its not a unique mod, it's an exapansion to the game

not meant as a replacement

[tiny sable]

I'm going for more of an autumn look.

Instead of just removing every color aside from red

[main blade]

Its so dark eugh

Fitting but the flowers look ew

[tiny sable]

ikr

[main blade]

Try what I said

I think it'll look good having a brighter palette

[tiny sable]

okay

nope, i messed it up

[main blade]

My eyes

Its so brignt

I didn't mean that saturated but uhh, I do think darken it like, 20% and maybe it'll be goog

[main blade]

This is the bst so far tho

[tiny sable]

I think I got it now

[main blade]

there we goooo

yeah, even tho the leaves are brown, those flowers are much more pink than orange

perfect

does feel very autumn-y

[tiny sable]

Got the new carrying system working on the client side

[south apex]

It takes more Pikmin to carry objects now, nice.

Breadmin are going to be useful

[tiny sable]

Yeah, I've recoded the weight calculation to be more accurate to the item's actual weight

[main blade]

hey note

why are pikmin dragging bodies to the ship and not their onion?

i thot onion worked?

does having sell bodies mess it up?

[tiny sable]

Are you playing on the latest beta version?

[main blade]

yeah

0.2.22

[tiny sable]

Could you provide your config file

[main blade]

0194dda0-1f92-9f80-a53b-5ac37ac20129

has config on it

[tiny sable]

Okay

So the issue has to do with lethalmin, throwing an error right on the line code that allows pikmin to carry it to the onion

I have no idea what could be causing this though

[main blade]

Could you try disabling sellavle bodies?

Or is it not caused by that

[tiny sable]

sellavle bodies is supposed to be compataible with lethalmin. Infact the line of code that is throwing the error is what allows sellable bodies to be brought to the onion.

[main blade]

So uhh

Whats the fix mack

[tiny sable]

It does work when sell bodies is disabled

[main blade]

Oki so disable, hotit

Thx bb

[main blade]

Was it tested with blue pikmin?

The blue onion wasnt gunnin it

[tiny sable]

I tested it with multiple onions and they all didn't work with sell bodies

[main blade]

wondering, cause i launched it again with sell bodies off, and blues still wouldn't bring to onion

(it may have to do with using the same save file though)

[main blade]

no sell bodies, and it was taken to the ship

[main blade]

😭

[tiny sable]

what enemy body is that?

[main blade]

a pellet posey

if im being scammed by the map

please tell me lmfao

[tiny sable]

In the beta, Pellet Posey's cannot be converted into sprouts, with or without sellbodies

Only enemy bodies can be converted

[main blade]

ripppp

also is there a way to use pikmin to latch onto mimics?

i throw pikmin but they wont touch em

[tiny sable]

There is no way to make pikmin latch on to mimics

That is because the game mostly considers mimics as players, and so, pikmin cannot attack them

[main blade]

not even if leader config is on?

[tiny sable]

not even

[main blade]

zamnnnn

ok ig that makes sense, thx bbgirl

also, how to buy pikmin container?

i set config to 150, and tried typing it in every which way

never worked

pressing enter just makes it use enter

[tiny sable]

Try this https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SylviBlossom/TerminalConflictFix/

[south apex]

So there is a problem where if you try to shoot a shotgun itll most likely hit the Pikmin behind you instead of the enemy, will that be fixed?

I’ve tested with Imperium and it says “Pikmin have been hit by 3 damage”

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[tiny sable]

[WIP] new latch on system

[remote tree]

Wow

Talk about a code rebirth

[plush pike]

Any idea on when the big update is dropping?

[tiny sable]

Possibly late next month

or even later

Beacuse there is still alot to do.

[plush pike]

Awesome, can’t wait

[main blade]

I mean

Mans overhaulin the entire mod

[green imp]

Take all the time you need

[tiny sable]

Something that I just realized is that In Pikmin 4 (not sure about the other games) Pikmin will actually automatically jump and latch onto enemies and not try to hit them when standing like they do in the Beta.

[plush pike]

Pretty sure that’s only in 4 but I’m not 100%

Personally to me it makes more sense they don’t jump because it highlights the symbiotic relationships between them and the captains. Because they can throw them and make them more effective

[glad mist]

That is not a regular thing

Btw

Only Pikmin 4

[tiny sable]

Okay, I'm gonna make that a config then.

I think the do also do the same thing in Pikmin 3 when you charge them at somthing

[south apex]

Noteboxz, I think the eating damage when a Pikmin dies is somewhat broken if its a high number.

Example: My Parasitic Pikmin deals 3 damage when eaten, but it takes 3 Parasitic Pikmin eaten by a Hoarding Bug to die

and last time I checked Hoarding Bugs only have 3 HP

[tiny sable]

Okay

[glad mist]

Charging doesnt make them lunge onto the enemy

They stay on the ground pretty sure

[tiny sable]

I pretty sure like a few lunge on, but most of them don't.

[glad mist]

Weird

[main blade]

Hunger

Shrugging

[tiny sable]

Knockback test

[south apex]

I just know this could bug out and send a Pikmin to outerspace

[south apex]

Oh I think its this

Should I set it to like 3?

[tiny sable]

yeah

[tiny sable]

Drowing Test

(The blue debug cube is water)
The way drowing works now is that you have to keep your whistle zone on the pikmin for them to move out of the water
Meaning that if you stop whistling or move the whistle zone out from the Pikmin, they will stop moving.

[wind torrent]

drowing

add blue pikmin lifeguards like in 1 and 2

[olive haven]

finally, I can bring Pikmin that aren't blue into a mineshaft without them immediately dying

[main blade]

too much work, dont do this sbo

[tiny sable]

I Just realized that the Big Eyes on the Hey Pikmin model are removeable

[tiny sable]

Figured out how to fix the Pikmin 4 Animations from Fmodel

[wind torrent]

cone head

[wind torrent]

keep the eyes they’re funny

[tiny sable]

added some animations and sounds

[tiny sable]

New Latch-On System

(The Pikmin aren't supposed to get launched when the enemy dies, thats an oversight btw)

[proud mantle]

Anime Pikmin jumping 12 feet into the air after bashing my enemies to death
Bless

[main blade]

please

keep that as a feature

and call it "pikmin celebration"

on or off

[tiny sable]

ok

[main blade]

put it with the funni onion

thx bb i love u

[remote tree]

Me waiting for somebody to make bikmin stuff for this:

[main blade]

Question, is flower > leaf a planned feature?

Or are you thinkin of flower > bud

[remote tree]

Better question: i would prefer nectar and being buried instead of glow pikmin function

[tiny sable]

wdym

[tiny sable]

Yeah, the full version will fix the accuracy issues with the growing system.

[wind torrent]

also will the pikmins speed be more similar to what it is in the pikmin games

cus leaf pikmin in lethalmin are way to slow

[main blade]

Pikmin 1 2 pikmin knocked off hanve a chance to lose their power

While in 3 4, its 1 stage

Pik 1 2 go fron flower >leaf
3 4 go from flower > bud > leaf

[tiny sable]

mabey

[glad mist]

How's the progress

Why your ass on baldis basics plus

Please for the love of God play raldis basics

[tiny sable]

an update came out yesterday