[Discontinued] LethalMin (LC Pikmin Mod)

[glad mist]

😭

[tiny sable]

what

btw updated todo list

[south apex]

2 more things and they are almost done! Good job with the speed

https://tenor.com/view/breadbug-sproutposting-pikmin-grubdog-gif-871356260188985168

[tiny sable]

^ made the control text smaller btw ^

[remote tree]

As in it doesnt look like its shot out, looks more like it is dragged from one point to the ground

[glad mist]

Bro

If just looks like an entirely different mod

Did you see the lag thing with Pikmin and taking them out the onion

[tiny sable]

no not really

my PC might be too high quailty for me to get lag spikes from the onion

[tiny sable]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/NotezyTeam/LethalMinLibrary/

[glad mist]

But mine is too

😭

[tiny sable]

hmmmmm

[glad mist]

It's just weird

Maybe it's my pack???

I have someone with an RTX 4090???

And even they complain

[tiny sable]

Exactly, how many pikmin are being taken out to cause the lag

[glad mist]

32

I only had 32

😭

Should I send my pack or smth

[gaunt mirage]

yo does the lethal escape stuff work with Pikman now?

[gaunt mirage]

Most subtle flex of all time

[glad mist]

Yes

[gaunt mirage]

YO

W

I need to have UpdatedLethalEscape installed right?

[glad mist]

No

[gaunt mirage]

Or does it use star lancers?

[glad mist]

They just leave on their own

[gaunt mirage]

Oh fr?

[glad mist]

[gaunt mirage]

W

🥶🥶🥶

[glad mist]

Its peak

[gaunt mirage]

That sounds peak

Gotta try that

[glad mist]

@tiny sable Should I add Masked to the spawn pool for my moon...

[gaunt mirage]

Imma wait for it to go up on thunderstore

[glad mist]

Oh

2.0 stopped the lag?

[tiny sable]

idk

I never had lag after 0.1.5

But there is a huge lagspike on the client side when a pikmin converts an enemy into an item

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

[tiny sable]

Thats a error that I'm not sure how to fix at the current moment. But it shoulden't cause issues

[tiny sable]

What is going on in this image

[glad mist]

Uh

Ok one

Pikmin aren't carrying it out the door

And that error is spammed every time a Pikmin tried to carried an object out

[tiny sable]

ohhhhhhhhh. I see,

[glad mist]

They also fell through the floor.

Once delivered

[tiny sable]

WHAT

[glad mist]

And then came back once I stepped outside

IT WAS WEIRD

[tiny sable]

wdym fell through the floor

[glad mist]

Like flat out started to sink through the floor

😭

[tiny sable]

[glad mist]

It probably was just me

[glad mist]

But yeah spammed 6 times for 6 items

[tiny sable]

Okay, remember when I said I had to cut some things to get the update out faster?

I only half implumented the LethalEscape function

The Pikmin only go outside when carrying enemies and not items

[glad mist]

[tiny sable]

Also that error is thrown to the console when a Pikmin is thrown. Not when an item is carried

[glad mist]

😭

NVM

6 errors for each Pikmin thrown ig

I thought it was so funny watching them sink

I genuinely had my jaw drop the floor

But the Lag and other stuff are seemingly gone

[gaunt mirage]

Frick

[glad mist]

Took 20 Pikmin out and they were fine

Shall I keep testing?

[tiny sable]

yeah

[glad mist]

K

[gaunt mirage]

I’ll test too here in a few mins

[glad mist]

Two things

How do you do the uh Pikmin time

I like it better and never have figured it

[tiny sable]

you mean this? https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/NotezyTeam/PikminStyledClock/

[glad mist]

OH

I'm stupid

Sorry

[glad mist]

Second of all only Pikmin can carry out enemies?

Right?

[tiny sable]

Yeah unless you have SellBodiesFixed installed

[glad mist]

Then what happens?

[tiny sable]

Then players and Pikmin can carry enemies

[glad mist]

Alr good to know and right now there's no more errors

[south apex]

Is the tutorial still up to date after these updates?

[tiny sable]

Mostly, but the only differnce with the new version is that you don't need to do all of the setup with the dlls and just have to install LethalMinLibrary via git url instead

(bumping this)

[south apex]

oh I didn’t know you needed to use the git url

I’ll do that once I’m home

[glad mist]

This is new

[undone hearth]

This is likely due to no navmesh

[glad mist]

Thats a vanilla moon...

[undone hearth]

If you are using 2 story ship, on SR Marooners Bay it fails to make navmesh

[glad mist]

[undone hearth]

Thats odd

[glad mist]

Its adamance and Vow

[undone hearth]

Never had issue with 2 story on vow, unless updates borked it

I kinda stop using 2 story for now

[glad mist]

What do you use?

[undone hearth]

??? Cause 2 story ship regens navmesh constantly, which is why loading can be slow

[glad mist]

So you just do the regular ship?

[undone hearth]

Yea

[glad mist]

Might join on that

[undone hearth]

2 story ship and wider ship are newish in field of larger ship so, I let that have more times to bonk the issues out

Normal ship ain't bad honestly, just no room for decro though

[main blade]

Also, got the larger ship mod

Pik container wont move in larger ship mod, onion clips into the ship and, pikmin drop off items on the railing instead of in the ship (plus immense lag, I'm assuming from pikmin pathfinding)

[glad mist]

It's weird

The pathfinding is fine

It's just 2 story ship deletes all navmesh

So the game thinks the rails are the right area

[dense turret]

where's the trailer...

[undone hearth]

Also when I was talking about nav offlinks while back

I don't think lethalmin can add these into maps, these allow jumping gaps,climbing and ect

[glad mist]

Nope

They just stop moving

And errors are thrown

[undone hearth]

When you talked about adding places where pikmin can jump down ect

not that

That is unknown to me

[glad mist]

My moon has high to reach places Pikmin can come down

Just set AI nodes

For the throwing I recommend shrinking the throw distance

But it should be fine

[wispy cape]

Wait how do the pikmin use/carry bodies?

Does it require sellbodies mod?

[glad mist]

No the mod handles it

[wispy cape]

nice

[tiny sable]

whoops https://youtu.be/g5eWV2GN2uQ?si=vAM_UNr52xtpdI_j

[undone hearth]

Pikmin 5: Lethal Hunting

[remote tree]

Make it so that (ik its oddly specific) white pikmin (since they’re immune) attack masked if they try to get whistled or see other pikmin get whistled

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

Be warned...

Masked will be spawning in my moon...

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-enter-sandman-the-masked-lethal-company-the-masked-lethal-company-masks-gif-13175466374478856285

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

If an enemy comes outside they just.. Vanish

[tiny sable]

thats the same error as this one

[tiny sable]

i'll look into that

do you have sellablebodies installed btw?

[glad mist]

No.

[glad mist]

They brought it to the onion just fine btw

[south apex]

@tiny sable how do you download the git.url and put it in unity? I'm a bit confused

[gray timber]

I imagine like this:
Open unity, probably preferably a ripped version using nomnoms patcher, though might not be required, open the package manager, press the plus button, add package by git url, and use the url

[south apex]

I have downloaded the LethalMin Library, but nothing is happening. Also the custom pikmin tutorial doesn't work with nomnom's patcher due to NoteBox's not figuring out how to support it.

The LethalMin Library should from what NoteBox is saying, remove the need for all the .dll's

[tiny sable]

You just need an empty unity project, don't use NomNom's patcher @south apex

[tiny sable]

What do you mean by "Nothing is happening"? Is anything logging to the console?

[south apex]

Ik, I'm using the PikminProject used in the tutorial

[south apex]

I mean there is nothing added to the project (like folders or code), it also still says LethalMin won't be loaded due to missing .dll's. Although, they are old and they were already there before.

[tiny sable]

Just install the LethalMinLibrary package, Do not install the LethalMin.dll

[south apex]

OK, I deleted LethalMin.dll and its working now! No console errors and the .dll actually loads.

Thank you!

[tiny sable]

👍

[glad mist]

Cant wait for Flying Pikmin

We will see it soon probably

[south apex]

What does Lethal and Spore do?

Is the spore the thing that masked use to make pikmin puffmin?

[tiny sable]

Lethal is a hazard that no Pikmin type is intended to be resitant to. Kinda like the smoke progg's smoke

[tiny sable]

and Spore is exactly that ^

[south apex]

Would the turret be a part in Lethal?

since I see its not there

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[glad mist]

Exsplosive

[main blade]

By the by, when are functional onions and compatibility for bigger ship mods coming?

[south apex]

breadmin file sneak peak

[stone idol]

Breadmin? Like breadbugs?

[south apex]

yeah, I'm making a custom pikmin which are like bulbmin

but bread

I'm trying to find the leaf, bud, and flower models because my Breadmin model doesn't have them on him rn

[wind torrent]

https://www.models-resource.com/wii_u/pikmin3/model/20055/

i got my rock Pikmin model from there but theres also the leaf bud and flower

[south apex]

Thanks!

also, how did you rig it onto the pikmin?

[wind torrent]

that i do not know

i think you can just import the model into blender and move it to the right spot

and then when putting it into unity you should be able to animate it

[tiny sable]

that reminds me, I forgot to mention but you also need to add a PikminMeshRefernces component on to your main mesh prefab and set it as the PikminMeshRefernces variable on your Pikmin Type's scriptable object. As now that tells the mod where the Leaf/Bud/Flower gameobjects are.

That replaces the paths system that used to be used

[wind torrent]

thanks for letting me know

ill figure it out once i start working on my rock pikmin again

[main blade]

Have breadbugs immune to bullets, they're thick so they have padding to protect them from pain

[south apex]

There isn't an option for turrets, but that would be Lethal that also like up here

[main blade]

Well having them immune to death except for elements, or have them able to take a single lethal hit or smnthn

[south apex]

I've been trying to put the leaf, bud, and flower on the Breadmin for like 2 hours, and its not working

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-post-ron-swanson-mad-gif-14599019

[tiny sable]

In blender or in unity

[south apex]

Blender

[tiny sable]

Is the breadmin rigged?

[south apex]

Yea

The 3 armature's are the leaf, bud, and flower

The Breadmin is the enemy armature

[tiny sable]

Okay, so move the leaf,bud,flower all to the same position at the top of the breadmin's sprout

[south apex]

Yep, I've done that

[tiny sable]

Then, go into pose mode on your bread min and select the top sprout bone on the breadmin

[south apex]

I'm guessing I need armature there.

[tiny sable]

💀

[south apex]

I knew that

this is an older model

I was going to update it, the first one was I extruded it and saw the model didn't have any problems.

Until I saw I needed to add the leaf

I fixed it

[tiny sable]

okay, go back into object mode and select all of the plants by using Shift-LMB in the hiracrhy

[south apex]

Yep

[tiny sable]

Then, with the plants selected, in the 3D view, shift click the bread min rig then press Ctrl P, then click Bone

[south apex]

It says no active bone

[tiny sable]

did you keep the bone selected when you went out of pose mode?

[south apex]

Idk, am I suppose to?

[tiny sable]

yes

[south apex]

Keep the plant's bones selected?

[tiny sable]

Keep the top Sprout bone on the bredmin's rig selected when going out of pose mode

[south apex]

Yep, it all merged together

The rigging is a bit broken, but its not that bad. The rigging still does work though

Its just because the rig I used for the Breadbug, thanks NoteBoxz!

[tiny sable]

your welcome

[south apex]

the breadmin stares into your soul

Also, I can't find the growth stage thing in the updated PikminType

[tiny sable]

what growth stage thing

with Speed or gameobjects?

[south apex]

This, its a screenshot from the video

[tiny sable]

Oh yeah, that part of the tutorial is out dated aswell.

So to make the process easier, you now need to add a PikminMeshRefernces script to your main Mesh Prefab, which is where you can directly add in the growth stage plants

You also need to specifiy the PikminMeshRefernce script in the PikminType scriptable object aswell

[south apex]

What would go between pikmin glow root? Also is the animator part needed although I already have the animator on the Breadmin

[tiny sable]

The "Glow Root" is the just the root bone of your bulbmin's sprout. (The bone your plants are parented to)

Also drag the Animator onto the PikminAnimator variable in the inspector if they are on the same game object

[south apex]

Like this?

[tiny sable]

Yep

[south apex]

Nice that the leaf to flower part is more simple than the tutorial version

[south apex]

I am going to test the Breadmin, cause I am actually done with the setup and everything

still needs animation but I'll do that later

Oh no what happened

I messed up something

[tiny sable]

did you replace the LethalMin asset bundle? The one that comes with the mod

[south apex]

Wdym by the LethalMin asset bundle?

I'm using the Lethal Company folder for this cause idk how to test with Thunderstore without publishing

[tiny sable]

Did you move a file like this?

It must be in the same location as the .dll

[south apex]

No I haven't

Did I forget that?

[tiny sable]

could you show me the full folder?

[south apex]

Thats all thats there

the 4 things

If your talking about this which is where the bepinex is

[tiny sable]

show me the plugins folder, the folder with the lethalmin dll

[tiny sable]

Wait just those files?

[south apex]

Yeah

its a test folder

[tiny sable]

You need the lethalminassets file in your test folder aswell

As that contains all the assets for the mod

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/messed-up-screwed-confused-damaged-disarrange-gif-15429357

yep I messed up

[tiny sable]

💀

[south apex]

I'll do it tommorow, cause I gotta go to bed.

I'll tell you if it works

[tiny sable]

Okay

[remote tree]

Yes, shotgun and turret

[undone hearth]

I find this funny on my moon, some of the pikmin decide to exist on death plane

[tiny sable]

☠️

The impossible Pikmin

[undone hearth]

The mario 64 goomba that never existed

Doomed forever

[undone hearth]

I think I put some nodes to deep in ground so it does that

[glad mist]

Putting ai nodes spawns Pikmin

[undone hearth]

I know

[south apex]

Do I need LethalMin Library or does it just do that

also it loaded the Breadmin

How do I know if my Breadmin spawned in?

[tiny sable]

Yes you need the library installed in bepinex plugins as a mod too

[tiny sable]

Look around until you find it. A way to know that it will spawn in, is to see if the console says it has registered your PikminType

[wind torrent]

save him

[undone hearth]

I think because some of the nodes were more into the ground, it did that

[undone hearth]

I think when a spout spawns on a node, it detects ground it can collide with and since is spawns too deep in the ground it can't so it see death trigger has collision so it spawns on that

[south apex]

Where would that be in the console?

Also, does the mesh reference have to be filled out?

Cause I can't find the Breadmin

oh I think its because I had spawns naturally off

Hey @wind torrent what settings did you do to get your Rock Pikmin to spawn inside? I don't think mine is spawning

My Breadmin isn't being registered

[south apex]

This is probably why but I don't know why its happening

[wispy cape]

sometimes I can't order the whistle

[south apex]

I've been able to

I think thats a mod problem that isn't LethalMin

[wispy cape]

ah

then idk

[wind torrent]

they did not spawn inside

[wispy cape]

0193278d-750b-b177-866c-13937ff59445

here's the modcode

[wind torrent]

i made them have sprouts since they have an onion

[south apex]

Did you have naturally spawning on

[wispy cape]

cause idk

mostly I have bug fixing mods

[south apex]

I'll check soon

[wind torrent]

i am not sure

i think i did

[south apex]

Well I think its a problem I am having not with spawning

cause for some reason its saying it loaded the bundle but it didn't register my pikmin

[wind torrent]

i think i can check the settings i had once i get home

[wispy cape]

cause idk why it's like that for me

[glad mist]

Get terminal conflict fix

Helps a fuck ton

[main blade]

does 2.2 have compatibility with the bigger ship mod?

[tiny sable]

Not yet

[tiny sable]

What happens when you are unable to order whistles?
Like does the dropship not arrive, does the ship terminal says error, or somthing else?

[main blade]

gotcha, I'll put that on the backburner then

[wind torrent]

@south apex i checked my spawning settings and i have natural spawning turned on

[plush pike]

hey im noticing that scaling the hud does not work anymore. it keeps reloading to the same size when quitting and reopening the game

logs if its in there at all

should i regenerate the cfg?

[tiny sable]

I'll look into it

[plush pike]

ok cool

[south apex]

@tiny sable do you know why this is happening with my asset bundle?

It also saying it’s not registering my Breadmin

[tiny sable]

Did you install LethalMinLibrary in your BepInEx Test folder

[south apex]

Yeah

[tiny sable]

hmmm

I'm not toatlly sure until I can take a look of the .LethalMin bundle

[south apex]

Do I just send it to you?

In DMs?

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[south apex]

Alr, I’m currently not home but I will be in like 20 min

[tiny sable]

Okay

[remote tree]

Is there a config to unlock onions on spawn

[tiny sable]

not yet

[south apex]

Breadmin showcase

no animations rn

also why is the glow thing right there?

[tiny sable]

Did you set the glow root on your PikminMeshRefernce script?

[south apex]

yeah, this is the top of the sprout where the leaf is

[tiny sable]

Hmmm

I think thats a bug on my end

[south apex]

Another bug I think is the pikmin growth stages don't work

Its just all three at the same time

[remote tree]

And i think the flower is tiny

Compared to the other types stems

[wind torrent]

yeah

and we can see all 3 at once

which is not supposed to happen

[remote tree]

This bit is known

[tiny sable]

Thats an issue with lethalmin I think

[south apex]

I wonder if the Breadmin should be scaled down a bit

He’s a bit big

[undone hearth]

Odd pikmin spouts are just full lit in shadow

[tiny sable]

Could you show me what you set the growth stage gameobjects to on the mesh refernces script

[south apex]

I can’t rn since I’m going to bed

[tiny sable]

okay

[south apex]

I got school Tommorow since it’s 9 PM for me

[undone hearth]

@tiny sable Question how deep would a onion spawn node need to be?

[tiny sable]

Just until the Center point is in/on the ground

[south apex]

How would I do animations for my Breadmin?

[wind torrent]

you can make some in untity

[south apex]

Yeah but I feel like you would need a specific trigger for the animation to play

like whisling a pikmin

[wind torrent]

what i did is open the exemple animator and drag and drop the animation file in the right place

and it worked

[south apex]

Did you do any other animations though?

[wind torrent]

no

because im really bad

at making animations

i had no idea what i was doing

[south apex]

Yeah so that might be the problem

multiple animations might break it but idk

[wind torrent]

why would it break it

[south apex]

I feel like the animation would just loop or smth idk

[wind torrent]

yeah animations loop

thats how they work

[south apex]

Breadmin now spawn inside

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-breadbug-luigi's-mansion-cry-crying-gif-13935770422767605979

[plush pike]

Will you be posting the breadmin mod?

[south apex]

It will be released once animations and sound are done

I might need some help with the Breadmin sound

[south apex]

Idk what Breadmin should be immune to

[main blade]

Bullets is a good one

Or have them able to take a hit

A higher "hp" than normal pik

[wind torrent]

that sadly isn’t in option in the config when making pikmin

i think

last time i checked that didn’t exist

[south apex]

I mean Lethal is

but it also turns on multiple other stuff that I might not want

@tiny sable I tried making a walk animation for my Breadmin, but it won't play for some reason

[tiny sable]

Show me the animator window

[south apex]

Oh wait its because its off for some reason

I never remember doing that

[tiny sable]

Not that the other Animator window

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.0/Documentation/Manual/AnimatorWindow.html

[south apex]

Oh woah, where is that

Found it

[tiny sable]

at the top of the unity editor click Windows -> Animator (i think i don't have unity open rn)

[south apex]

so much going on

[tiny sable]

Click on the walk action and replace it's motion in the inspector with your animation

[south apex]

Lemme test

[plush pike]

Butter

[south apex]

Now my Breadmin refuses to come to me when I whistle it

It spams this too

oh wait nvm

I dunno what was happening but it works now

[tiny sable]

I might be wrong, but if you spawned in a whistle using something like imperium, and it spawns in your invintory instead of on the ground. You need to drop the whistle and pick it back up due to the way whistles work. Thats prolly what was causing this issue.

[south apex]

oh

thats why

[undone hearth]

dam

[icy lantern]

"Oh... Dam, you say?"

[south apex]

The Breadmin is too powerful...

[icy lantern]

Are you ok

[south apex]

My honest reaction:

[icy lantern]

Breadmin pog

[south apex]

Moving work to #1306772798361964554 if you want to follow it and see when it releases

[remote tree]

yoooo seek

down the drain you go

[wind torrent]

should probably make a forum for the rock pikmin

ill do that later

when i have time

[gray timber]

That is disgusting sincerely

[south apex]

@tiny sable for some reason the Lethal and Explosive pikmin stats don't work. Turrets and landmines still kill my Breadmin (which has those 2 stats)

[tiny sable]

Crap, must of forgot to add the checks for those. I will fix that in the next version

[south apex]

Also my Breadmin aren't dealing damage

I have the dmg set to 0.05, but also the attack noise isn't playing

[tiny sable]

hmmm

oh wait

Thats because I hard coded the attack function with the animation.

So if there is no animation then it won't do any damage

That is something I also will fix in the next version. By adding a faillsafe incase there is no animation

[south apex]

one more thing, the leaf to flower thing doesn't work too.

There all just there at a single time but the speed does change

[tiny sable]

did you set the gameobjects on the meshrefernce script correctly?

[south apex]

oh gameobjects

I did the armatures

[rough crown]

oh my god XD

[south apex]

and yet I somehow made animations for all of them

which aren't the greatest lol

[south apex]

How would I create a custom onion for the Breadmin?

[tiny sable]

The same way you create a custom PikminType.

[south apex]

Ik, I meant like this

[tiny sable]

By putting your custom PikminType in the TypesCanHold list.

You don't need a mesh prefab btw

[south apex]

Is that all, also does the onion name need to be Breadmin Onion?

or just breadmin

[tiny sable]

It doesn't need to be nammed anything spesfic

[tiny sable]

Fused Pikmin 1 onion

[wind torrent]

looks very cool

are you going to make it possible for custom onions to fuse with the main one eventually?

[remote tree]

it cant? i swear i saw somewhere that it can

[remote tree]

is this a config for next update

[remote tree]

is breadmin nearly done i want bread

also

note how close to done is orange

and that one other person doing the rock picked man

[main blade]

What if breadmin were immune to damage only while carrying items?

It can die to anything if fighting, idle or following

But while its carrying it can't be killed

[remote tree]

this needs better compat with xl scrap

(the holders dont move and it breaks

[tiny sable]

An update but not next update

[tiny sable]

(Not Started)

Patience please, Pickle

[remote tree]

Whar then what was that pikmin 4 style model

[tiny sable]

It's gonna be used, but it's just not started yet

[remote tree]

Ah, so you mean not started as in 0 code

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[remote tree]

the shoving under ground is unrelated but it snaps back to the og position

[south apex]

Maybe ask that in #1306772798361964554

[remote tree]

Oh didnt know it had its own thing

[south apex]

It’s fine

[remote tree]

Note, when we get hazards, can we get B O M B

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-2-pikmin-careening-dirigibug-dirigibug-bomb-gif-13737117614929927853

[south apex]

I don't think the pikmin container works for custom pikmin cause my Breadmin can't go in it.

[wind torrent]

im gonna be trying to work a lot on the rock pikmin this weekend

also note do i have to remake it all over again to make it work on the new version?

[tiny sable]

You could just remove the LethalMin.dll and replace it with the LethalMinLibrary.dll

[wind torrent]

k

ill also try and fix the eyes on the model

[tiny sable]

Also make sure Validate Refences is off when you replace the dlls

[wind torrent]

i might also just start over since im gonna make it on a different computer

[tiny sable]

You can download this package via git url in unity https://github.com/NoteBoxz/LethalMin-Unity-Library.git to skip the .dll setup in the old tutorial.

[south apex]

@tiny sable another thing that doesn't work is Crush

for custom pikmin

[tiny sable]

yeah ik, I'll fix that as well

[wind torrent]

something interesting for crush resistance could be that they turn into sprouts when crushed

like what some enemies do in the games

idk if it would be possible

[tiny sable]

mabey

[wind torrent]

also in the lethalmin library page you accidentally wrote "Unity 2022.9.3f" instead of "Unity 2022.3.9f" and it really confused me for a bit

[tiny sable]

💀

WHOOPS

[wind torrent]

i was looking in the unity archive and couldn’t find it

[tiny sable]

This is the first gameplay clip of Puffmin that I've seen btw

[south apex]

I love how the first person just dissapears after getting whacked by the Puffmin

[wind torrent]

how do i install the unity thing now

because it’s not extremely clear

[tiny sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5kTmxQ_WgE

[wind torrent]

thanks

he is white

[south apex]

whitemin

[tiny sable]

white pikmin

[wind torrent]

i have no idea how to fix it

but its not like he doesnt have textures

they are just very bright

[tiny sable]

oh I might know

it might be the emission being on for some reason

Set the strength to 0

[wind torrent]

worked perfectly

saw that i could get the model from pikmin bloom so im using that instead

looks a lot better and he has eyes

tho his bones are even more broken than the other one

[remote tree]

Not exactly

[remote tree]

It auto-plucks with the (unused) pikmin 1 pluckaphone animation

[tiny sable]

That'll be fixed as well

[wind torrent]

never mind not using it

found how to fix the eyes

[undone hearth]

Guessing attack type be like? What, rock bonk?

[wind torrent]

that was already possible i think

theres a setting to make it so pikmin dont latch onto enemies

[stone idol]

Is there a way to alter the volume of the pikmin? I honestly think they are kinda loud

[tiny sable]

Not yet sorry

[tiny sable]

this

[undone hearth]

Interesting

[south apex]

I'm guessing that fixes custom pikmin not attacking?

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[south apex]

Also, how would I update LethalMinLibrary without it deleting my current data for my Breadmin?

[tiny sable]

(WITH UNITY CLOSED) Replace the LethalMinLibrary.dll with an updated one

If you installed via Git url then you can update it from the package manager

[south apex]

It worked, thanks

[south apex]

One last thing, do I have to delete these and put it in that area?

[tiny sable]

No, Put the animation clips or "motions" into the areas not those.

[south apex]

Yea thats what I mean't, so do I delete the Attack and AttackStanding bars in this image?

[tiny sable]

No, don't delete them. You can just replace their motions with your animation

[south apex]

Whenever I throw the Breadmin they still don't deal damage nor make the pikmin attack noise

here is my setup

[tiny sable]

hmmm

Okay that might be a bug with lethal min again

[south apex]

Dang

[tiny sable]

But do they play the animation

[south apex]

yeah

and logs don't spam anything yellow or red

And Pikmin Container for custom pikmin still doesn't work

[tiny sable]

Can you show me the logs for when the game first starts and registers breadmin?

[south apex]

This is when you get to the screen for online or LAN

[remote tree]

what %done would you say he is

[remote tree]

suggestion: i know fox and vein bushes arent ingame rn but the fox mods are getting popular to my knowledge, can we get the ability for pikmin to dig up vein shrouds

[wind torrent]

i am not sure at all

i also made a separate forum for it

#1307154045751918675

[stone idol]

So I’ve noticed something about the pikmin’s behavior in custom interiors

They tend to act weird, like their pathfinding breaks in certain parts of the maps

I assume that’s just incompatibility between the mods tho

[remote tree]

Same with some exteriors

[stone idol]

Like Whomp’s Fortress as a fairly extreme example

[stone idol]

Of the exteriors I mean

[stone idol]

Ok every time lethalmin updates it causes LC_VEGA to become a problem for some reason? Can somebody explain this because I don’t see how the mods are correlated?

[stone idol]

Nevermind the problem fixed itself wtf

[tiny sable]

I'd still like to know, What happens to LC_VEGA when LethalMin updates?

[stone idol]

Screen goes black when I load in and disabling LC_VEGA fixes it

But Reenabling it doesn’t seem to cause the problem so I am very confused

[south apex]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-gif-12598976956267201998

[remote tree]

pikmin wont spawn (this started a few rounds after installing breadmin

[south apex]

oh no man is that a bug I hear

[remote tree]

heres my pack with 338 mods for yall to check stuff with 019337c2-5287-7b0b-7738-fb022f554e5e

[tiny sable]

Does the console say anything, Was Breadmin uninstalled, Was this occurring several rounds in a row, Was this bad RNG?

[south apex]

I've had no pikmin once, it was on Awakening Wood. Could just be bad luck

[remote tree]

it did indeed occur several rounds in a row (thanks to resets helping me test and probably not bad rng since it was none every time, ill try not to skill issue so i can test without resets)

ill look in terminal now

i mean console*

also it happend on any moon i decided to test

included vanilla interiors and moons

OH

also when i take my 2 purple pikmin out they turn into one of a random type

[south apex]

Thats a mod problem

my friend took 2 purples out and it was fine

[remote tree]

kk

it probably isnt purple in particular

is this anything?

[tiny sable]

no

[remote tree]

ok

then it says nothing abt lethalmin

let alone errors (red text)

[tiny sable]

was breadmin uninstalled

[remote tree]

ill test now since its not respondening

does matty_fixes do anything it installed with creaturemin

[south apex]

It'll do something with LethalMin

it shouldn't with CreatureMin since LethalMin is basically how it loads the mod

[remote tree]

well it is in the list just before where creaturemin was so

(lethalmin is above it)

another note is that there wasnt even an option for pikmin with control company @tiny sable

[south apex]

LethalMin has a bar of code that makes it not register Pikmin as enemies I think

cause it kinda broke LethalMon

[remote tree]

is this new? bc last time i played there was an option with lethalmin for control comp

[tiny sable]

I never modified control company

I only modified LethalMon

[south apex]

yeah, but I tihnk ControlCompany looks if a creature is registered as a monster

[remote tree]

i used to be able to control them

uninstalled creaturmin now its not loading, not a problem with a mod just one of my interior mods hates loading

seeing if it will work with my smaller pack with only pikmin stuff

it works with this pack so idk

019337d2-1df0-c14e-43e5-d9d41584d41f

[tiny sable]

̷3̷̷3̷̷8̷ ̷m̷̷o̷̷d̷̷s̷

[remote tree]

my pikmin modpack works but my main pack doesnt? what is going on

[tiny sable]

Did you install any new mods or did you update a mod before this started happening?

[remote tree]

well widership uses matty for dependancy but matty installed far after i installed wider

but

for whatever reason

it started happening in the same instance it was working fine

like second load (i reset for death) it broke but it was fine the first load

ima try my main pack again and see if it was one off

@tiny sable fixed itself somehow

just needed to relaunch

[tiny sable]

🤔

[remote tree]

(i did uninstall creaturemin, relaunch, and relaunch again after re-installing

[remote tree]

wait no i never i just relaunched after ininstalling

what happend actually

is i had to relaunch twice after uninstalling creaturemin

[tiny sable]

Lemme reword that qeustion "Did you uninstall creturemin before this started occuring?"

[remote tree]

first time i relaunched it just didnt load

[remote tree]

no

so it continues to resume working after re-installing creaturemin

[glad mist]

@tiny sable OK

So lag test

The lag worsens with more people in the group

[tiny sable]

Yeah I've seem streamers with like 1243897142409271094720417093309 people and their frame rate becomes that of a powerpoint slide show

[remote tree]

How does one fit thst many people in a lobby?

Also, when i install a new item/pikmin it wipes (item isnt focus for rn)

My onion got wiped

[tiny sable]

How many people where you playing with

[tiny sable]

That is something that I'm not entirely sure how to fix. Just keep your save with custom types in a different save file with no custom types.

[remote tree]

Kk, is there a mod that lets you duplicate files (i want to keep my 3 story apartnment complex

[south apex]

That happens if you add any mods and load a save file with data already.

[remote tree]

I do dis all the time and its mostly fine

Also

Why is my store shifted down 1

(I buy an item it gives me one below on terminal store)

[south apex]

idk actually

I've heard someone had the same issue but I forget. I just know its a mod issue

[remote tree]

Dang

Somebody finna make a mod to fix it

[remote tree]

Fair point lol

Ill do that later

[glad mist]

4

Spawning Pikmin slowed down to like 32 frames

From the onion

[wind torrent]

33333 downloads

[undone hearth]

Every game is better with the Pikmin, this is no lie

[plush pike]

Louiepilled

[tiny sable]

The only reason why I used the assets from Pikmin 4 is because it's the easiest game for me to decompile.

[wind torrent]

that reviving with the onion thing seems really cool

[glad mist]

Can we add the lag with onions or is there nothing we can do

[glad mist]

Squinting

There was Lag When An Enemy Became An Item???

[south apex]

Yeah, if 140 pikmin tried grabbing a Forest Giant's body, the game would freeze every 1-2 seconds

[glad mist]

Oh my dear god

[glad mist]

WAIT

Has someone checked if uh

Wait nvm

Scratch that

[wind torrent]

wait you can have more than 100?

[south apex]

yeah in the config

but I also had some purples so yeah

[main blade]

Btw what if instead of upgrading the regular whistle into a pluckophone, the ships horn became the pluckophone

Saves time on modelling a new item, by assigning value to an already existing item

[remote tree]

Leafling real

[remote tree]

No way homesick signal and pluckaphone real aswell

[remote tree]

Also make it so the players head is covered in leaves (dont ask how it will work for custom models same as coilhead does prob, aka not too well)

[plush pike]

That would be pretty damn crazy if the onion could spawn like a masked with a leafling skin

That would be cool

[gaunt mirage]

Yo Note, has the pikman pathfinding improved? Last time I played with it the Pikman moved really slowly and took ages to catch up to me

[tiny sable]

When they are flowers they should be around the same speed as a player's running speed.

Unless the last time you played was on version v0.1.0

[undone hearth]

Still wish config allowed changing speed for each stage of pikmin tbh, lots of people are use to pikmin atlest being able to reach player, but I can see why this is

[gaunt mirage]

Sweet, thanks

[south apex]

@tiny sable what is Rig_WaitSqueekwle2?

[tiny sable]

It is an idle animation

I forgot to change the name to something more comprehencible

[south apex]

Yeah, something like Idle8 or something different

[desert copper]

any idea what could be causing this? re-joined a lobby then i heard the sound mimics make when trying to infect pikmins while i was in orbit

don't know if this sphere underneath is related but have been seeing this in previous versions

probably some weird desync thing but some pikmin arent dropping their items

log but most of it is spam from the error

[gaunt mirage]

That is really funny ngl

[tiny sable]

I forgot to make the node that makes the masked use their whistle despawn when the masked despawns

[tiny sable]

Could you be more specific, Like wdym Pikmin aren't dropping their items? Like are they not dropping the items when they get to the ship and you have to whistle them off. Or are they not dropping items at all even when whistleing them. Or they drop the item on the server side but not the client side. What makes you think it's a desync issue?

[tiny sable]

Crap nevermind the issue is worse than I thought on the clientside

It seems like the WhistleZone is not being synced to the client side which causes the error.

[tiny sable]

It looks like the sphere is where the masked should be on the client side

[green imp]

Question are you planning to change the look of some monsters to look more like well an enemy from a Pikmin game like the giant, being a bullborb or I mix between the two or change the names of well the forest giant to downy timberstomp ect

Btw this is the best mod in the game unfortunately is not compatible with the wider ship that is literally my only gripe

[tiny sable]

There is not really anything I can do with ship mods because the NavMesh breaks for every entity, not just Pikmin and there is no way to fix it on my end.

Then again now that I think about it, Pikmin do struggle a bit when carrying things back to the wider ship so it could be something wrong on my end.

[green imp]

Yeah I thought so

[green imp]

They just carry it under the ship for me

They know that they are supposed to climb up a ladder but it is not there so I guess they just drop it that is my theory

But still I will never play this game with out pikmin again this is great

[tiny sable]

It seems like the issue is caused when LethalLevelLoader is installed.

[green imp]

Huh that is wired I have it installed for a mod pack that I’m working on and it never gave me that

[tiny sable]

The error only occurs on the Client-Side and not the Host's side.

[green imp]

Ahhhhh

[desert copper]

yeah when they got to ship the items were just hovering over one specific pikmin and they weren't dropping it after dismissing them/whistling it back

have had it happen recently before this as well

the red one right in the middle is just kinda taking the scrap for a joyride :p

once we got into orbit the item disappeared alongside him

my friend who was hosting said he didn't see scrap on that pikmin which is why I was thinking it was desync

[desert copper]

have had issues with LLL before but we're using pikmin scrap so i just gotta deal with it

[fading pendant]

don't make ur pikmin deliver items from assurance's fire exit, they'll get stuck

[tiny sable]

I wonder if there is a mod that adds offlinks to adamance's fire exit

[gray timber]

am i crazy or is that assurance

[tiny sable]

Whoops I mean assurance

[gray timber]

i solved this problem by detecting future positions and having my AI turn off the agent if need be, do a .MoveTowards with a special animation

[fading pendant]

the name quite similiar

[gray timber]

i.e. one of the AI's rides a shark across the air, one of em is a drone that uses propellers, that type of thing

dunno if thats a thing that pikmin can do

but before any pathing attempts i make a bunch of checks about whether theres an elevator, etc

[tiny sable]

I was thinking of adding in a teleport trigger that warps the pikmin down to the ground on adamance.

assurance

[gray timber]

yeah offmesh links would work too, only downside is that enemies not intended to use it would also use it unless u gave it a specific agent mask i think?

[fading pendant]

wait, the item that i told my pikmin to deliver just arrived once i take off the ship

[gray timber]

do pikmin just tp to the ship on takeoff or smthn?

[tiny sable]

If they have an onion they path to it and go inside it. But if they don't then they just scatter.

[fading pendant]

it's right next to my pikmin container

[tiny sable]

Oh yeah, Purples and Whites teleport to the Pikmin Container because it's impossible for them to path to it when the ship is leaving.

It doesn't really matter if they make it to the onion or not because the game automatically counts them as being in the onion when the ship starts to leave.

[tiny sable]

It seems like the issue is caused by Specific Custom moon mods that use LLL not just LLL it self.

Acutally it seems like the issue is just caused by LunarLights. It seems like whatever is happening is also causing Imperium to have several indexes of "Masked"

[gray timber]

LunarLights is a moon pack?

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[gray timber]

They probably accidently added a full SO copy of the masked on one of their moons that imperium detected

[tiny sable]

What is an "SO copy"?

[gray timber]

ScriptableObject, basically they included into their level the actual ScriptableObject of the masked, and it must've been picked up by imperium to be a separate enemy

[tiny sable]

Oh yeah

[gray timber]

Moon makers are supposed to make.blank copies of enemy ScriptableObjects into their level so that LLL replaces it, etc

[wind torrent]

how are spawning in stuff

i was looking for a mod so i can do that

[tiny sable]

Imperium
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/giosuel/Imperium/

[wind torrent]

oh

i didn’t know i could spawn stuff with it

because i do have it installed

[tiny sable]

use f2

I mainly use Simple Commands because Imperium lags when there are too many Pikmin spawned in
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/JacobG5/SimpleCommands/

[wind torrent]

thanks

will be much easier to test my rock pikmin

[tiny sable]

It also causes the Masked to be invisble on the client side

This has nothing to do with LethalMin, because when I disabled it, the masked was still invisible on the client side

[gray timber]

Yeah the wrong type of masked is getting spawned then

This is because the masked in this instance hasn't been added to the network prefabs list

Therefore any type of networking just doesn't work

Including .Spawn to the network object

[tiny sable]

Yeah, I can't do much about that aside from preventing LethalMin's console spam when this occurs.

[gray timber]

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

What is this>

?

Can I like Remove it

[tiny sable]

Turn this off

Also they persist through rounds for some reason so you have to reset the lobby to get rid of them

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

Also Tulip snake while in Pikmin Pluck Anim does this

[tiny sable]

okzh

okay

[glad mist]

Tulip snakes being silly

[round flare]

how does the mod break with latecompany?

i'm running both at the same time and it seems just fine

[south apex]

Are you playing multiplayer or single player?

[round flare]

multiplayer

[south apex]

Has someone joins late? (The game already started)

[round flare]

yea

everyone was able to pikmin just fine

[south apex]

Idk then

Might be a question for NoteBoxz

[wind torrent]

is it the ability to join late thats broken?

[round flare]

nope

[wind torrent]

ah

maybe it was broken before but got unintentionally fixed?

[round flare]

🤷

[round flare]

only issue ive noticed is that turrets can aggro on and shoot pikmin thru walls

which is killing off a lot of my soldiers

[tiny sable]

I mentioned it on the mod page because I've seen a streamer who was unable to throw Pikmin and the Pikmin where almost entirely unfunctional and they fixed it by uninstalling late company

[fossil drift]

did you have any polaroid glitches?

[remote tree]

can we get oatchi update

[dense turret]

oatchi would make everything stupid and easy...

[main blade]

Can we get oatchi update where we can hit him with a shovel and he immediately dies

[south apex]

make update where Oatchi explodes if you don't feed him 50 scrummy bones

[main blade]

make update where oatchi is added, except it's a png and all it does is stand there until you beat it to death

[plush pike]

No wait… add Louie and he eats all your pikmin lol

Louie as a monster lol

[wind torrent]

i think the nutcracker can eat pikmin

replace the nutcracker with louie

louie with a shotgun

oh wait no it cant im misremembering

note sent a photo where it looked like a nutcracker was eating a pikmin

still

louie with a shotgun

[stone idol]

Does the mod work with lethal escape or do I have to wait until that’s implemented?

[south apex]

The mod should work with LethalEscape

It already uses its own type of LethalEscape though

[stone idol]

I haven’t noticed the pikmin leaving the building though?

Or are we talking about two different things?

[south apex]

Theres a part of code in LethalMin that makes Pikmin follow you

inside and outside

And they can also carry dead enemies outside too without LethalEscape

[stone idol]

But no scrap yet?

[south apex]

There might be a config later

but not right now

[stone idol]

Alright thanks

[glad mist]

@tiny sable

OK

So

CRAZY THING

it was an interior incompat WITH LETHALMIN

[remote tree]

Erm what the

[glad mist]

Note for the future

[remote tree]

What interior?

[glad mist]

Slaughterhouse

[remote tree]

This gives me an idea

[glad mist]

Removed it and the lag is gone

Period

[remote tree]

LET THE PIKMIN BE MEAT GRINDED

[glad mist]

Do not have that mod brah

You will lag every single time

😭

[remote tree]

Me with the BRICK pc

[glad mist]

Rest in peace

[remote tree]

Its legit big

Beeg gamin pc

[glad mist]

Brick computer

Let's go

[round flare]

could a "charge" feature be added to the whistle?

orders all following pikmin to rush the targeted treasure/enemy same as the games

[main blade]

Even if it was just like

Throw all pikmin at once

I wanted that in pik4 so badly

Sucks that it was locked behind all that shir

[glad mist]

Are you talking about the charging horn?

I guess it'd be interesting

[main blade]

Oh sorry, I forgot

I was thinking of the pik 2 horn

That can make pikmin swarm around an object

[glad mist]

With the C stick and you can move them around???

[main blade]

Yeah that

[glad mist]

You'll have to ask note

Idk if that's even possible tbh

[main blade]

Charge is functionally the same in this scenario thoufg

[round flare]

im thinking something more along the pikmin 3 charge

[main blade]

which is worse than the pikmin 2 horn, but in snethal, it'd be better off as a instant "throw all pikmin" button

[round flare]

sometimes theres just a big mean monster after me and i need ALL my soldiers after it at once

[fading pendant]

is any of u got an issue when u pluck a pikmin, that pikmin disappear?

[main blade]

Once, it went through the floor lmao

[remote tree]

Yes it happens when the field is maxed out or theres no nav things for pikmin to follow

[tiny sable]

No not any

[tiny sable]

Mabey I'll add the Charge and Swarm functions in 0.3.0

I didn't add them in sooner because I didn't know how I would implumet them.

[remote tree]

yo absolutely not fun fact: the aus governnment is banning everything online from people under 16

there finna be riots

[remote tree]

MAN THATS NOT LETHAL COMPANY LET ALONE PIKMIN COMPANY

[main blade]

Very good

Hopefully the rest of the world follows suit

[fossil drift]

🫡

[remote tree]

theres probably 1000 of people that are between 13 and 16 on discord

not to mention things ilke youtube

probably would be included

[main blade]

Yes, and imagine how much safer everyone would be if those millions of impressionable people who can be warped by the absolute trash on youtube, or suspicious dm links, or even just casual nsfw stuff. Imagine a world where kids can't interact with that, ever.

[remote tree]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-sounds-good-jim-halpert-the-office-good-point-gif-11119519098820520575

well im not getting into this its a topic thats likely to start arguments

[main blade]

True, anyways, sucks that freedoms are being taken away

[tiny sable]

then why you bring it up

[main blade]

When adding wogpoles to snethalmin?

[remote tree]

tO iNfOrM people lol... idk honestly im out

[remote tree]

no enemies unless separate mod

[remote tree]

AYO WHAT DA PUFFMIN DOIN

[main blade]

Same energy

[remote tree]

ERM AKTUALLY, WOLEPOLE

[fading pendant]

can we get all the pikmins internal name?
i need it to add them in shockwave gal blacklist attack

[tiny sable]

Every Pikmin type goes under the same EnemyType name, Just "Pikmin".

[fading pendant]

include puffmin?

[remote tree]

glow pikmin confirmed???????

[tiny sable]

Puffmin are actually entirely sperate entitles from Pikmin. So they go under the internal name as "Puffmin".

[remote tree]

(the light green bit has colors in the shape of an eye that look like glow ikmin)

[tiny sable]

nah thats just a employee suit I had on

[remote tree]

ah

[fading pendant]

finaly, shockwave gal won't massacre them anymore

[remote tree]

oof

[remote tree]

i had these troubles once

[fading pendant]

wait, bulbmin too right?

[tiny sable]

Yeah

[remote tree]

ye i think they dont get attacked

also

i think modded pikmin also go with that name

[tiny sable]

Bulbmin count as Pikmin

[fading pendant]

alr

finaly they get along. thx

[tiny sable]

np

[gaunt mirage]

Charge would be sweet!

[formal fog]

should add a 1 in 100 chance that if pikmin pick up a gun (shotgun, rifle, revolver, etc) that they will immediately shoot you with it. After all, aren't they supposed to be your weapon of choice?

Or have them run off with it and fire it at the nearest enemy. "Here, go do a crime"

satire, but still funny

[remote tree]

the end made this a bit wholesome lmao

[formal fog]

lol

I shouldnt be giving modders more ways to kill unsuspecting players in a game like this

[remote tree]

true

[formal fog]

I think I asked before but I dont remember the answer.. if I make the old birds killable, will the pikmin latch onto it?

[remote tree]

i would assume so

[formal fog]

Cool.

[formal fog]

oh dear.. uhh.. well, yeah pikmin just yeet into the ether when I throw them

[remote tree]

@tiny sable perhaps you could give each pikmin (including a setting for custom types) a body type thing that allows puffmin to somewhat better show what pikmin they used to be (purples be fat and darker and no hair and mouth purples and ect)

just a random thaught i had

also

i would love for this to get an lcvr dependant feature where u press a button to grab a pikmin and irl fling your arm to toss

[green imp]

Me when 3 masked are running at me and my 67 pikmin

[green imp]

It would be cool with the hair was mycelium

[glad mist]

Idk

Tbh in Pikmin they just all turn into the puffmin model

And I would rather have other features than model changes

[plush pike]

Is there any plans to allow pikmin to target masked?

Or is it because they are a “leader”

[formal fog]

oh, is it 2 story ship that makes pikmin fall through the map?

[glad mist]

Yeah

[formal fog]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[glad mist]

Rest in peace...

[formal fog]

if I turn off the 2story part, can I keep the wide ship?

[main blade]

Breaks

[glad mist]

Both break

Since it completely wipes and resets navmesh

The game doesn't know what to do

[remote tree]

But they are all the same shape in 1

[tiny sable]

mabey

[remote tree]

What you tryna do?

Also

I think it woukd be funny if electricute showed the actual model bones

[tiny sable]

I'm attempting to test the electroncustion paricles, but they just show as pink squares lol

[south apex]

my poor little Breadmin

getting into toasted breadmin

[gray timber]

Sounds like you're using a custom shader that's not hdrp?

[tiny sable]

Nah I just forgot to assinge the materials to the particles

[gray timber]

Oh lol

[remote tree]

Cursed

[formal fog]

damn :C idk if I can live with the shoebox ship

[remote tree]

i want https://youtube.com/shorts/0jby_vxI3yo?si=xe7K41st7YDvz02M

[merry steppe]

Is there any chance of controller compatibility?

[remote tree]

This would in turn give lcvr compat

[round flare]

waterwraith enemy