Lethal Elements

[green sleet]

@small cypress Let me know if you ever change stuff with the water freezing, I'm doing some extremely goofy stuff to get it to only freeze during Blizzard lol

Water changes mailing list

[small cypress]

Can I ask how you break the ice? Is it a specially prepped mesh? Or multiple objects that are seamlessly joined?

[green sleet]

Both of those basically lol

Mesh exported that's just a bunch of triangles in a plane

Don't think it could work for LE

The way I have it set up, at least*

[small cypress]

I want to add ice cracking down the line and thinking about ways of doing this 🧐
I think the most performant one would be making it look like its cracked and disabling the collider when you walk over the respective areas.
The best one is actually making it crack and break, but this will require me to generate a special mesh at runtime, eh

[summer mist]

Generating a special mesh at runtime? Why sounds like something right up your alley

Back to the suffering lane you go

[small cypress]

[green sleet]

It's just a bunch of these

[small cypress]

I have PTSD now

[small cypress]

Oh my, so many

[green sleet]

Unstable platform being a better (subjective) version of the vanilla bridge lol

[summer mist]

Oh god thats so many mesh colliders

[green sleet]

2% base chance + 50% of player weight

[summer mist]

It's probably okay

[green sleet]

They're convex

[summer mist]

Your face is convex, never say that about mesh colliders ever again

[green sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emoji-disintegrating-emoji-disappearing-meme-21st-century-gif-24891417

[green sleet]

Also immediately collapses upon touching the Cruiser

[small cypress]

Btw do you just modify the name of the material to not include "water"? This part is very unlikely to change, so I think you're safe

[green sleet]

Yeah I went for the Watre approach

Material swap and reenabling quicksand KillTrigger for the water

        /// <summary>
        ///     Not cold enough to freeze completely!
        /// </summary>
        public void PreventWaterFreeze()
        {
            if (waterRenderer != null && waterMaterial != null)
            {
                waterRenderer.sharedMaterial = waterMaterial;

                if (waterRenderer.TryGetComponent(out MeshCollider collider))
                {
                    collider.enabled = false;
                }

                Transform? killTrigger = waterRenderer.transform.GetParent()?.GetChild(1)?.GetChild(0);
                if (killTrigger?.TryGetComponent(out BoxCollider waterCollider) == true &&
                    killTrigger?.TryGetComponent(out QuicksandTrigger waterTrigger) == true)
                {
                    waterCollider.enabled = true;
                    waterTrigger.enabled = true;
                }
            }
        }

That basically

Looks goofy due to Nullable stuff so it's probably not a good example lol

[small cypress]

btw the tag thing will do nothing unless "Puddle" is in the base game (I think it isn't)

[green sleet]

Oh Bozoros' lake has just been tagged Puddle this whole time I guess lol

Any lake is small enough to be a puddle, if you zoom out

[small cypress]

Ah ok, I meant things like custom tags (also any additional layers) will be stripped in the game and won't work, so don't rely on those too much

[green sleet]

Should be fine then probably

[winter mortar]

v0xxxxx

would you be willing to work with me to make a special cheeze blizzard for Gorgonzola

Just like "If Gorgonzola, weather visuals are slightly different", nothing super fancy

[green sleet]

You can do it from the moon side if you know what property to change, hard to see which from the outside though since it's a VFX graph

[indigo hollow]

50 avg fps on snowfall Rend, what did you do?

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[small cypress]

hehe, sounds fun, ye i can expose some color properties and references if you need, but i guess you'd have to actually change them on your side? or you have something else in mind

[small cypress]

nothing? the weather is just pretty demanding on your pc due to everything that is going on, i profiled it and most of the slowdown comes from rendering which i have no direct control over

[indigo hollow]

It was never like this before, so

[small cypress]

alright, what version is "before"? i actually didn't touch anything regarding snowfall recently so idk

[indigo hollow]

Shrug

Most recent, I guess

[winter mortar]

If I can do it in Unity I can do it on my side, but otherwise I might need assistance cuz I am far from a coder

[small cypress]

didn't change anything there that could cause this

[small cypress]

hmmm, doing this without code can be tricky. Maybe we can use LLL tags or something for this? they do have a color property, right?

[winter mortar]

Yeah they do, although tbf if you don't mind helping me out with the code I don't mind adding it to a Gorgonzola dll

If that'll be easier

[small cypress]

i mean to make it fair so every moon would have access to it, i think tags will be more suitable

[indigo hollow]

I wonder if it could be due to this thing's most recent update

[small cypress]

it doesn't do anything on rend

[small cypress]

so the initial idea is: you make a tag with a special name and assign a color to it, i read it and apply to snow during landing

sounds ok?

[winter mortar]

Yeah that should be fine, would it apply to all snow vfx?

Cuz I'll probably go for like a grated parmesan color haha

[small cypress]

you want snowflakes and the ground snow to change color, right?

blizzard fog as well?

[winter mortar]

yeah, possibly the wind vfx as well yeah

sounds are fine, just to make it more in-line with my other weathers for vanilla

[small cypress]

ok, that's easy

[winter mortar]

Since I do custom weather stuff for all my weathers on Gorg

[small cypress]

how do you recolor rain :0 ? i thought it's hardcoded

[winter mortar]

JLL has scripts to replace the weather fx

I basically unload the vanilla rain and replace it with my own particle system

I'll send you a video later :3

[green sleet]

That's a good way of handling it, though I wonder if it would be best to have the tags be like _Blizzard so it doesn't interfere with any possible actual tags

[winter mortar]

I mean I'll probably make the tag like "Parmesan Snow" or something

[small cypress]

yes, they would have to be a bit technical

[winter mortar]

if anyone else wants to interface with "Parmesan Snow" go for it

[green sleet]

Oh no you'd have to just set the color for it pretty much

[small cypress]

no, we need to agree on a common tag that everyone will use

[winter mortar]

Ah, will that work?

[small cypress]

like _voxxSnowVFXColor, _voxxSnowGroundColor, _voxxSnowOverlayColor, _voxxBlizzardFogColor

so people create a tag with those names, assign a color and i apply it from my side

[green sleet]

Use of the tag color property is pretty tactical for this lol

[small cypress]

these are just the examples idk if they are any good lol

i actually don't remember what else do these tags have

just name and color?

[green sleet]

I think so

[small cypress]

i still want Batby to finish that idea with data tags

[winter mortar]

Will it work if multiple moons define a tag with a different color?

I haven't messed with that

[small cypress]

yes, i will just reset it to default on departure

[winter mortar]

Ah, alright

Then yeah I can do that

I'll be your test dummy for it

Could lead to cool things like green snow on Fission-C

[small cypress]

if those are fine then i guess use them 😛

you get what each one is for?

[winter mortar]

Yeah I think so

[small cypress]

pretty neat, but i guess it's limited to vanilla since there's no conventional structure exist for custom weathers...

[winter mortar]

Yeah, JLL adds ways for us to add our own objects to specific modded weathers, so I could for example freeze over the water

[green sleet]

Did this to get Rainy to be Snowy for Bozoros lol

I am the JLL

[green sleet]

Important to toggle them back when going back in orbit though 💀

[still owl]

ye u dont need JLL :3

[winter mortar]

Yeah JLL just makes my code-free development easier lmao

JLL is good for people like me and Wesley who can't write code

[small cypress]

[still owl]

generic was trying to convince me to make rbm use JLL when I could literally do what i needed with like 5 ish lines

[green sleet]

Oh for specific weathers I'm doing this

Doesn't really work for progressive/combined weathers 💀

[still owl]

ohhh

this looks handy

[green sleet]

JLL has a similar thing I believe

[still owl]

ye it does

[green sleet]

That one's just thing I whipped up

[still owl]

i would just go the lazy route and check for the weather in a postfix xd (which is what i did)

[green sleet]

Basically what I'm doing but with extra steps lol

[still owl]

is it rlly?

i figured it'd be alot less

lol

[green sleet]

Adding those to an event that gets invoked in a postfix for RoundManager.FinishGeneratingLevel()

[still owl]

but like all this lol

[green sleet]

Oh I mean if you were to do stuff like that for 10 different weathers then yeah lol

[still owl]

i just felt like it'd be more annoying to create a whole system for that so i just did it raw

[green sleet]

I declared war on weather

Stopped using sun animation for weather stuff lol

[small cypress]

because there are like two boolean values in there, lol

[green sleet]

Yeah

[winter mortar]

Anyways lmk when you code that tag system and feel free to DM me a test build to test it for ya

[cold dragon]

it doesn't? 🥲

[verbal shell]

Speaking of I had foggy -> none and it didn’t change yesterday

Unless like the time can be really late into the day

[cold dragon]

the thing is

all changes have % chance of happening

and some are very late into the day

I think that improving how the info is displayed would be better

[still owl]

i have a super weird request lol

you definitely dont have to do this (just an idea) but an option to make toxic smog purple would be really cute i think

[green sleet]

Could also be done with the tag color thingy

[small cypress]

good idea actually

[fallow ginkgo]

if i'm mostly playing vanilla w a few custom moons, is there anything in this that might freak out bad? or are bugs w this rn like semi-rare

[verbal shell]

should be fine at the current state

the default config comes with blacklisted moons that either dont make sense to have the weather on or if they break it

and as long as you dont have that one scrap mod that has a scrap that lets you change the weather

[fallow ginkgo]

what about lgu weather probe?

I don't really use it but I assume that breaks it too?

[verbal shell]

isnt that just like

what weather is on this moon

as long as any of the snow weathers arnt being hot swapped while your landed on the moon its fine

[fallow ginkgo]

idk ive never actually used it but I saw it brought up a lot on weather discussion so I thoguht it did some weird shit w changing weather n stuff

[fallow ginkgo]

ok cool :3

thanks smxrez......

[small cypress]

it's fixed now btw

[verbal shell]

oh

:3

[still owl]

was snow color ever addressed :3

i havent been following the dev of this too much

just wondering teehee

i tried looking into it myself but i couldnt figure out how the hell it works..

idk if theres like

a snow material you have packaged

[verbal shell]

need to figure out a way to hijack the system to get fall weather (real)

wouldnt really do anything other than visual stuff (so like how cloudy is purely a visual weather(

[small cypress]

not yet, i'm swamped with work this week D:

[still owl]

ohh okie

was just wondering no worries

xp

if you ever do you should ping me teehee

i would rlly like to see how cool the snow would look if it blended in with the vanilla snow more

[small cypress]

oh don't waste your time with this, most of the stuff is inaccessible rn. i will expose the properties later with all of the tag stuff

[small cypress]

oki

[visual dawn]

I've noticed this same thing occasionally happening for me on a moon without forcing the weather with Imperium, on normal runs. I wonder if it's to do with the fact that the map is quite old? The moon was Outpost 31 (snowfall fits it perfectly). Unfortunately, Outpost 31 hasn't been updated in like... 7 months. Probably the cause I assume. I'll add it to the mesh blacklist and let you know if it fixes it!

[visual dawn]

Yes it still has missing snow textures even with it being blacklisted. Interestingly, the first visit is fine - but after leaving, returning while it's still snowing causes it to be purple-ized. Not sure why!

Only real error I get related to Lethal Elements is:
[Error :voxx.LethalElementsPlugin] Snow masks texture is null, cannot calculate snow thickness!

[small cypress]

are you on the latest version?

[visual dawn]

To be honest, I didn't even notice LE hasn't been updated in a while lmao. Yes I am, THATS probably why.

Easy fix, disable snowfall for Outpost 31 lol

[small cypress]

uuuh i don't understand 😅
which version exactly are you using

[visual dawn]

V69 of LC, and 1.1.8 of Elements

[small cypress]

snow is not in 1.1.8

which version of beta

[visual dawn]

oh i opened the wrong page

duh

[small cypress]

also you should not use both at the same time

in case you do

[visual dawn]

i dont lmao just opened the wrong one

oh a new version?

i'll have to update, i've been looking at the old page the whole time like a numpty

sorry about that lmao

[small cypress]

also could you please send the entire log if you still have it?

[visual dawn]

i was on 1.2.66 just to clarify

sure sure

[small cypress]

ah ok, this should be fixed in 1.2.67

[visual dawn]

great, thanks for the responses and apologies for getting the versions mixed up lmao

[small cypress]

all good

[visual dawn]

i DO have imperium installed, but i dont force weathers since i know that can cause some issues

pretty much just give myself some money and look for the weathers being generated, youll probably see a ton of errors related to navmeshing from some old interiors i still use that seem to work despite that, and possibly some items being deleted

but yeah the only thing i ever really got error wise for LE was the snow texture, so thanks for the help, and letting me use up a bit of your time

[small cypress]

forcing weathers works now, given you don't change them again before the transition finishes (there's a lil snow melting animation)

[visual dawn]

oh sick, lol when i first installed LE and tested the pack i was amazed at the snowfall

it was the FIRST weather i got upon launching and testing just basic leave/die/loot on experimentation

LE is by far one of the most like... must have mods out rn so thank you so much for taking the time and effort to keep it developed!

[small cypress]

glad you're enjoying it!

[visual dawn]

[green sleet]

Outpost 31 still being worked on getting remade, it requires a similar process to what I had to do for Bozoros

[visual dawn]

Well!

It works either way!

[green sleet]

It's currently got navmesh issues outside, specifically with modded enemies pathing

[visual dawn]

The update, and taking it off of the blacklist fixed the issues it was having with LE, I've manually adjusted spawn rates but other than that not really done anything to the map.

Yeah I've seen some navmesh issues, but been ignoring them for the most part without it really altering gameplay from what I've seen!

Just as I thanked Voxx, I'd like to extend a thank you to you, because Outpost 31 is one of my friend groups favorite maps by far. We can't do a mod list without it, even if it's got some navmesh issues.

31 + Snowfall is such perfect ambiance lmao

I actually saw you guys talking about it being worked on the other day and my buddies got hyped up lol, so again thank you for both of your dedications to creating content that enriches the game for the community!

[green sleet]

Probably won't take as long though actually, Bozoros was definitely a larger task lol

[visual dawn]

I wish you luck lmao, I tried learning it but I'm much better at things that have construction sets a la bethesda games

[green sleet]

Currently finishing up Ferris wheel update , and by that I mean waiting for LLL update to declare it 'finished' and actually release it

Not rushing Batby though

[small cypress]

omg what is in that mysterious update that put everything on hold, so intriguing lol

[green sleet]

I myself do not know

I just know due to some LLL event changes, it'll need recompiling, and thus would require an additional update if I were to release right now lol

Might just go ahead and do it though

@small cypress Oh by the way, do you apply anything to water materials during Toxic Smog? I was trying out extra green water but it just made it really bright/shiny, I assume due to the material swap at runtime maybe

Somebody poisoned the water supply

[small cypress]

no... smog just adds green fog and these small clouds everywhere

[green sleet]

Hmm probably material just needs adjusting then

Only thing I changed was hue and it made it comically bright compared to blue water

[small cypress]

do you mean it looks different in game?

[green sleet]

Yeah I'll grab a picture real quick

Like it's bypassing the fog or something

[small cypress]

maybe because the reflection is baked without the fog in mind?

idk how it works actually :p

[green sleet]

Yeah it's baked (Realtime kills frames 💀)

[small cypress]

maybe you can replace it like with the blackout?

[green sleet]

Looks fine with regular water though, and it's just a material variant

Oh I ended up getting rid of the reflection probe for blackout, I guess I could try that too

[small cypress]

idk if that's the reason, but seeing that everything is dark behind the lake and it doesn't match the reflection made me wonder

[sly olive]

ima get this

[fallow ginkgo]

im so mc brained I thought this was a really dark picture of a fucking zombie spawner

[sly olive]

how is work on the blizzard going? i saw an image reaaally high up that looked really cool

[slender lintel]

It's out

Or if you mean an update I'm not sure

[sly olive]

is it a seperate mod

or how does it work

[scarlet mango]

There's a mod called LethalElements and one called LethalElementsBeta. The beta one has blizzard.

[sly olive]

Ah ty

[indigo hollow]

Could there be an option to change how much the snow in snowfall slows you down?

It's pretty painful trying to get scrap back to the ship when you're going at 1 mph

[still owl]

get someone to shovel it

[indigo hollow]

Wait

Keep cooking

Is that an actual mechanic

[still owl]

ye

shovel clears snow

idk how mcuh

i forgot

[indigo hollow]

Shovels actually being used as a shovel

lol

[still owl]

maybe extra config would be nice tho
like slowness multiplier (like you said) and how big of a space the shovel clears

[indigo hollow]

Yea

There will be times where you don't have a shovel anyway

[still owl]

i wonder if the car clears the snow lol

just curious

I know giants walking around do

[indigo hollow]

It does

[still owl]

It's honestly such a cool mechanic

[green sleet]

It was in fact bypassing the fog, I did not have Receive fog enabled on the material, guess the game just turns it on when loading the moon or something

So when I was doing the switcheroo it was disabled

[vital lotus]

So, is there any way you can tell in game what severity of Solar Flare you have? Other than just guessing by like the battery drain multiplier?

[small cypress]

Colours of the aurora and the size of the flare (although this one is kinda subtle)

There will be changes to this down the line because I wanna make the sun effect more prominent, so checking the type of flare will be way easier

[vital lotus]

I see i see, niceo

[grizzled chasm]

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
VoxxWeatherPlugin.Weathers.BaseWeather.get_IsActive () (at ./src/Behaviours/Weathers/BaseWeatherClasses.cs:10)
VoxxWeatherPlugin.Patches.SnowPatches.IsSnowActive () (at ./src/Patches/SnowPatches.cs:491)
VoxxWeatherPlugin.Patches.SnowPatches.FrostbiteLatePostfix (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB __instance) (at ./src/Patches/SnowPatches.cs:175)
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::LateUpdate>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::LateUpdate>?-1187735042(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)
CodeRebirth.src.Patches.PlayerControllerBPatch.PlayerControllerB_LateUpdate (On.GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB+orig_LateUpdate orig, GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB self) (at ./src/Patches/PlayerControllerBPatch.cs:108)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::LateUpdate>?1106449732(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)

There is a strong spam of errors and other things when the player starts a new save.

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[simple fiber]

voxx you dont need to look at that one

tonnn of errors in there before you

looks like ghostcodes fucks up first

[small cypress]

I checked, but i still don't know what could be the problem...

public static bool IsSnowActive()
        {
            return (SnowfallWeather.Instance?.IsActive ?? false) || (BlizzardWeather.Instance?.IsActive ?? false);
        }

# And in the BaseWeather class
public bool IsActive => (gameObject.activeInHierarchy && enabled ||
                                WeatherName.ToLower() == WeatherManager.GetCurrentLevelWeather().Name.ToLower()) &&
                                (!StartOfRound.Instance?.inShipPhase ?? false); // To prevent weather counted as activated in orbit

WeatherManager is static and cannot be null, WeatherName and Name cannot be null too, they are strings so at worst will be empty?
I also cannot reproduce this at all on a basic pack D:

[grizzled chasm]

The RTLC mod package was also included (the localizer, it may have broken something, but it's not a fact. I forgot to add the profile to the build code)

But I don't think he's making this mistake.

[simple fiber]

StartOfRound.Instance if i had to guess

Very much not you

[cold dragon]

if you haven't seen that error of yours before, always assume it's not actually you

trust me

[simple fiber]

yup

-1 offset to all errors

The second report is your first

[summer mist]

Can I apply this logic to crashes :InsertBlueZaggyEmoteThatHeLikesUsingSometimes:

[simple fiber]

You can apply it to anything 😅

[somber hemlock]

you lookin for a

[summer mist]

Exactly

[still owl]

i added support for snowyweeds for snowfall + blizzard weather

i imagine it will look better when the snow is made less blue

in the meantime i might just make them more blue

because i dont mind how that would look against the white snow anyways

[sick ridge]

I like the color of the Snow in Snowfall and Blizzard Weather tbh

it looks like actual snow

I think making it "less blue" takes away from that, in vanilla snow is just unrealistically a pale white color

[still owl]

ok but like it blends horribly on snowy moons

:P

like it looks like a different substance

it looks great on normal moons but on the t3s it looks pretty bad IMO

because theres like two clashing snow colors everywhere

[green sleet]

Tag snow recolor waiting room

[sick ridge]

Yeah but could a mod that just makes the vanilla snow shader match just not be made?

Most moons reuse it anyways from the vanilla one

So ideally a mod that alters that shader would affect all of them

[still owl]

its not a shader zeekerss just made separate snowy textures for a lot of stuff

so yea its doable

i kinda dont wanna do that tho personally idk if anyone would

[quasi quartz]

it's a great thing the game is not that realistic

[still owl]

its not a realism thing i just dont think it looks very good

it would look better if someone did what lunx said or we just got snowy color tags lol

[quasi quartz]

reference to this

(which btw snow is "unrealistically a pale white color")

[still owl]

ahh

mb

me personally i really like the white snow

it feels pale and monotone like the rest of the game

i do not mind the blue snow tho

its like not a huge deal to me

[quasi quartz]

probably because shadows on snow make it blue

[still owl]

i just dont like when they clash

[indigo hollow]

Agree

[small cypress]

Originally I wanted to make it blue only in the shadow covered areas, but unfortunately it's impossible to obtain a shadow map at a shader level in hdrp
Idk how to approach this yet cuz on bright moons white will look incredibly washed out, but this blue tint on vanilla moons is annoying me as well...

[night widget]

i wonder if you could change the sun animator to be a stormy one that has less bright sunlight?

[small cypress]

I already do, but some custom moons don't have stormy among valid weathers, so they don't bother to setup an animation clip

[slender lintel]

I mean, all my life I've seen snow being white as paper

If you've been seeing blue snow out your window I'd have to guess it's a lighting thing. It does appear to be a bit more blue during the night I suppose?

[still owl]

i can't add to this conversation

i live in texas Lol

snow is like an ancient relic and the last time i saw it we had no power for weeks

[verbal shell]

Sorry for your loss

[still owl]

thanks

[sick ridge]

It's never looked blue lol but it's also never looked super white either, the way the snow in Lethal Elements looks is very faithful tbh

[slender lintel]

Ionno mane if I'm being completely truthful about what I remember seeing that stuff is

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

To be fair it does get blue when you're looking into like, snow tunnels

So I'd say you're not wrong and it seems like a mix of both

[fallow ginkgo]

it kinda looks like they're emmiting light, don't know if that's a snow thing, it might be weed's doing

[still owl]

its bc of chameleon's light diffusion stuff

it just looks weird against the really blue snow

[fallow ginkgo]

ahh right

thats toggleable right?

[still owl]

yea

i also updated the texture a bit

i dont have a ss tho

[small cypress]

Ok, so these are the tags that will be checked for to override snow and toxic smog colors in the next release, if someone wants to set their things up in advance:

• "voxxSnowColor"
• "voxxSnowOverlayColor"
• "voxxBlizzardFogColor"
• "voxxBlizzardCrystalsColor"
• "voxxToxicFumesColor"
• "voxxToxicFogColor"

voxxSnowColor will be used both for the fluffy snow and the snow particles

voxxBlizzardCrystalsColor is supposed to be for glowy particles you can see in the waves, RGB values here should preferably be higher than 1 to make it glow and be visible from the distance (for gameplay purposes, but still that's up to you)

voxxSnowOverlayColor is used for the overlay that gets applied on non-terrain objects and ALSO for the fluffy snow in areas where it transitions to normal ground

voxxToxicFumesColor's alpha value will determine how much it blends between the original color and yours (1 - overrides completely)

@winter mortar @still owl @green sleet

[green sleet]

Oh neat

I was thinking of proactively adding them to the last Bozo update by guessing what they'd be named lmao

Forgor though

[still owl]

im ngl i dont know how to use these lol!

extendedlevel tag or something??

im not very familiar with LLL's api so idk if this is related

[small cypress]

yeah those will be read from content tags defined in an extendable level (example in the pic)

[fallow ginkgo]

Is there a chance we can config how thick the fog on toxic smog is?

I like the weather a lot btw, glad you're bringing over the weather from your other moon :O

[small cypress]

Yes, it's already in the config under "Min/MaxFreePath" 😇

[fallow ginkgo]

oh fr?

oh didn't know that was the term of it

coolio :3

[dapper glen]

thought i'd post it here since it seems relevant

[small cypress]

if you have a crash i need a corresponding dump file from C:\Users\%USERNAME%\AppData\Local\Temp\ZeekerssRBLX\Lethal Company\Crashes

[dapper glen]

.dmp right

[small cypress]

yes

[small cypress]

new version is up, changelog:

• Some performance improvements for snow and toxic fumes vfx
• Split some configs for blizzard waves (they are the main resource hog, so you might want to tweak them separately)
• New option to make snow affected by scene lighting (resource intensive!)
• Mesh processing and terrain meshification is now async to reduce stutter during level load
• Ability for moon makers to change snow and fumes colors via tags: "voxxSnowColor", "voxxSnowOverlayColor", "voxxBlizzardFogColor", "voxxBlizzardCrystalsColor", "voxxToxicFumesColor", "voxxToxicFogColor"
• Snow is more white now
• Fixed bugs when snow appeared over blizzard fog
• Fixed strange transparency glitches for snow when you could see through it at certain angles
• Fixed incorrect water freezing on some moons

[small cypress]

this is not from me directly, it seems this is caused by nav mesh rebaking somehow

[simple fiber]

does your mod break if the navmesh rebakes?

[dapper glen]

starlancer thinks its caused by puffers being outside

i could turn those off and try it again

[small cypress]

no, i actually rebake it myself

[fervent summit]

first download of the new verison

[small cypress]

btw, terramesh has an async version of meshify now

[small cypress]

just in case, i tested myself with blizzard/snowfall on solace and i do not get crashes, only that lag from the new grass

[dapper glen]

i just did a test after removing the puffer from spawn chance outside, and didn't crash either

something specific with spore lizards being outside is causing an exception

[fervent summit]

the snow is going through the roof on the rend cabin

on the ship as well

[small cypress]

do you have any errors in the log?

because this is not the case for me

[fervent summit]

I'll see

[dapper glen]

did testing with puffer + snowfall on some other moons, did not have the same crash from them

might just be how starlancer's scene was set up

[small cypress]

have you tried on the latest version?

does it still happen?

[dapper glen]

i was on previous version, cus newest version didnt populate in ts yet

ill try it again with newest version when i can update it

[fervent summit]

this was on blizzard but the wind stuff was still going through the cabin

[small cypress]

you didnt update terra mesh

[fervent summit]

oh

[small cypress]

i guess cuz you did it manually and missed the dependencies

[fervent summit]

makes sense I guess

[fervent summit]

yeah

if possible I think it would be cool to have the option to have the snow texture be the vanilla one

[small cypress]

it doesn't look well, i've tried. Vanilla texture looks like snow covered ground, not like actual thick snow so when it is applied to fluffy snow it looks like strange protruding terrain

[fervent summit]

ok

[still owl]

yea i agree that would look bad i think

oh voxx

i wanted to ask

is the default color for snow still the same? do i even gotta be doing stuff with the tags on my end

[summer mist]

i assume tag stuff is just if u wanna change the colour no?

[small cypress]

also another clarification regarding stutter reduction: most of the freezing comes from navmesh rebuilding for ice. Even though i use an async version that is provided by unity, it still causes freezing as if it is being run normally . I am yet to find a way to selectively update the navmesh only for ice (if it is possible at all)

So basically if you have super long loading times on some moons, disable water freezing in settings for now

[small cypress]

no it's different now

[still owl]

oh

so i dont even gotta do anything prolly

[small cypress]

but it's a royal pain in the ass to make it look correct tbh

[summer mist]

inb4 you're asked to add a moon name config to this

[small cypress]

no

[quasi quartz]

its time

[small cypress]

[summer mist]

but what if i ask

[small cypress]

no

[summer mist]

what if i say please

[small cypress]

hmm

no

[summer mist]

ill sweeten the deal

ill add a cherry

[small cypress]

no

[summer mist]

damn

woulda been nice had i played lethal

oh well

[quasi quartz]

what if the cherry was on top

[small cypress]

too late i ate it and ran away

[quasi quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138127731264082051/1327170162587205773/convert.gif

[somber hemlock]

is this only happening on landing or can the ice break and trigger a full rebuild? PathfindingLagFix might cause that to create a millisecond or so deviation in frame time due to having to wait for any pathfinding jobs off the main thread to complete

ideally, if parts do break, it would be good to use a carving obstacle, so that it does it during AI update, which allows PathfindingLagFix to anticipate it and pause jobs in advance

(not relevant if that's not part of your plans though)

[small cypress]

for now only on landing, but i'll keep this in mind for the future.

if that is relevant, i use this method to update the navmesh https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/[email protected]/api/Unity.AI.Navigation.NavMeshSurface.html#Unity_AI_Navigation_NavMeshSurface_UpdateNavMesh_NavMeshData_

[dapper glen]

sorry for late ping i tried it on the same profile with newest terramesh/elementsbeta and there was no crash. bit of a stutter on doors opening but thats prob navmesh rebaking

[somber hemlock]

yeah, that's one of the methods I hook to prevent AI pathfinding during its run duration

more specifically, I lock it in the method call and then unlock it when the async operation completes, so I also wonder just how long that lasts

using that during normal gameplay could be quite bad depending on how unity implemented it

they really like making things "async" but having them still run on the main thread, meaning that they basically just take longer and still affect frame rates anyway

[small cypress]

Yeah I'm not gonna use that method, esp given the new information. It is supposed to update only changed/new parts of the navmesh, but so far it seems like it takes exactly the same amount of time as a full blown rebake...

[vagrant prawn]

does support for snow buildup need to manually be added to modded moons?

[small cypress]

It should work out of the box

[vagrant prawn]

ahh

i checked out one modded moon and it didnt work, but im honestly ready to assume its just a fault with the moon since its a shitpost one and probably a bit jank

[small cypress]

What moon

The only rule is it has to have non artificial ground

[vagrant prawn]

likely is artificial ground

peter griffin house

tried to get a link but still getting used to gale

[small cypress]

Ah yes, it won't work then unfortunately

[vagrant prawn]

darn, that wouldve been funny

thanks anyway

[sick ridge]

@small cypress Got Blizzard on Auralis, the game completely froze and my pc fans went to max

Kinda concerned about this mod lol

[scarlet mango]

It’s just to fully immerse you. The fans simulate windy noise and the screen freezing makes you feel like you’re frozen in the cold.

[small cypress]

i need logs or something, it works for me even on the latest meshified version the same way it did before so i don't really know what to say here

[sick ridge]

It didn't log like anything

It just completely froze

Incase it shows anything

[sick ridge]

Considering it's been fine everywhere else I'm inclined to believe it might be an issue with Auralis

[dapper glen]

its not an explicit crash right

[sick ridge]

Game completely hard froze and fans went to max

I would consider that worse than a crash

At least if the game crashes it's not actively trying to kill the pc

[dapper glen]

if it was a crash you could send crash.dmp

dunno abt freezes

[fiery siren]

i had it happen to me once lol

it was on dine w blizzard

seems to happen randomly? cause it never happened to me after that

[small cypress]

do you by any chance remember if it happened before or after the doors opened?
And did you just restart the game immediately as soon as your fans went full power?

from your logs it seems like it was due to navmesh rebake after water froze (but it never printed the actual time cause it appears to be shut down forcibly), everything else took a couple of ms

i suppose the interior is huge on auralis so it also exacerbated the problem

[sick ridge]

Yeah I had to close it cus it was completely frozen

lol

[small cypress]

yeah ok it was navmesh

as a bandaid fix for now i can suggest disabling water freezing in the config temporarily

it will fix the problem

i will try to move everything before the game does its own rebake so i wouldnt even have to do it myself, but it's kinda annoying cause weather is enabled when the door opens and navmesh rebake happens before, so it's a bit annoying to do, but i'll try to come up with something later

[quasi quartz]

probably irrelevant by now but this is timestamp of it https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2361603842?t=04h14m45s

[sick ridge]

Where is this setting anyways?

I found it nvm

[small cypress]

actually after seeing this, idk if it was from me because by that moment everything i do is done

unless somehow navmesh takes that long on that moon

[sick ridge]

I was expecting it to be under snow graphics

Well ig we'll find out I disabled it as a test

[small cypress]

but yeah that navmesh crap is something i wanted to deal with anyway, it's very annoying in unity

[sick ridge]

Well we got Snowfall and it didn't die so I guess it was that

[somber hemlock]

if it froze during navmesh regeneration, I wonder if it might be the synchronization in PathfindingLagFix Beta

@small cypress I assume you were testing on some profile without that installed? might be worth checking

@sick ridge how often does it freeze when landing on that moon?

oh wait yeah that did happen really late, weird

[sick ridge]

Blizzard is also fine

[sick ridge]

It only happened the one time

[somber hemlock]

if it happens again, might be worth doing this, though it may take a long time depending on how much ram the game is using

can analyze that with WinDbg to see where it got stuck, or at least the native stacks

not sure if there's a way to get managed stack trace out

[small cypress]

Yeah I don't have it on my debug profile, I'll be sure to add this 👍

[scarlet mango]

Some may disagree but I’m pretty sure programs can be vibe based. Maybe it felt you had a bad vibe.

[small cypress]

I have a debug line that prints how much it takes for navmesh to rebake and it never got logged before the game was shut down, so I assume it was rebaking all that time for some reason

[somber hemlock]

hmmmm I see

do you know how long before the freeze the generation would have started?

[small cypress]

It starts right when the door opening triggers, that's when registry enables weather game objects. In the log there's a line "Water freezing took 22ms" right after that I start "async" navmesh rebake.

Everything I do with the meshes, texture baking, etc. was done very fast according to the log so it wasn't that

[quasi quartz]

(It does look like it might be Pathfinding beta)

(Specifically the Lib)

[somber hemlock]

what makes you say that?

[quasi quartz]

Nothing actually I forgot I need to test without Pathfinding beta

[small cypress]

It's entry with id 104855 in the sql log table from lunx

after that moment rebaking starts

[somber hemlock]

well PathfindingLagFix Beta requires PathfindingLib so if you disabled that then neither is on

[quasi quartz]

I disabled the beta first not the Lib mb

[somber hemlock]

so.. it stops happening when PathfindingLib is on and PathfindingLagFix is off?

[quasi quartz]

Hold on

[somber hemlock]

and this happens consistently with both?

[quasi quartz]

nah it's not Pathfinding beta

or the Lib

im throwing

[somber hemlock]

huh..

[quasi quartz]

I threw just StarlancerMoons, LE Beta, and Pathfinding Beta (and Imperium)

Auralis froze 1st time, -> disabled Pathfinding Beta and still froze -> disabled Pathfinding Lib and still froze

[somber hemlock]

ohh ok

[small cypress]

it's probably just the huge size of the interior + the moon. i ought to move everything before doors open and never touch rebaking myself :p

[somber hemlock]

tyty for the testing

wait has this been an issue previously with 2 story ship? doesn't that mod also regen?

[small cypress]

it may regen it earlier than i do

before the interior is generated i mean

[somber hemlock]

maybe

[quasi quartz]

is

is it possible that

water under the entire moon

[small cypress]

the fix is to patch one of the round start methods, but I didn't know before how to detect weather on landing before it gets activated by registry, so it runs on OnEnable now, which happens when openingDoorsSequence starts

but i got it a while ago, so i'll just move it into a patch

[quasi quartz]

there's a lot of water

[somber hemlock]

I think the moon NavMeshSurface is supposed to have a bounding box, but maybe that moon isn't set up with one? idk I haven't looked closely at that

[quasi quartz]

shrug

[somber hemlock]

that is indeed quite sizeable

[quasi quartz]

goes further than the video

[somber hemlock]

lemme check on black mesa real quick

[small cypress]

i wanted to write how it's not the problem, buuuut after seeing that video...

ooof

[summer mist]

async got lost in the ocean

[small cypress]

if there are no boundaries setup on that moon then... oh boy

[still owl]

kitty

[quasi quartz]

🔥

[somber hemlock]

[still owl]

i hate this tiling

looks so bad

it reeks of
uh
well
unity water lol, go figure

[quasi quartz]

I gave up trying to reach the end but it'll take multiple minutes but I can't go faster with Imperium's freecam so

[still owl]

wtf lol

what moon is it

[quasi quartz]

Auralis

[still owl]

how big is it in filesize out of curiosity

[small cypress]

it probably wouldn't affect the size

most likely it's just one stretched out plane

[quasi quartz]

shrug

it's moon package

[summer mist]

doesnt matter how ugly it is, u wont see it lol, though it should just be removed

[still owl]

oh

i figured it was like

an island moon or something

[quasi quartz]

nope

[summer mist]

auralis? eh not really it's a mountainous region

[quasi quartz]

snowy

[still owl]

snowy island ;p

but like

consider someone actually doing an island moon

how do u compensate for this even

making the tiling larger wouldnt help too much i imagine

maybe decreasing normal strength would help

[quasi quartz]

this is probably the extent you see the water

[still owl]

ah

[quasi quartz]

It goes further but mostly just that one area iirc

[small cypress]

there's randomized tiling technique, but most of shaders implementing that are paid

[still owl]

ah

that is a smart solution tho

[small cypress]

oh god, i'll check it out later with the explorer, if there are aren't any bounding boxes on top of this then it could be problematic

[quasi quartz]

how do yo ureset the imperium freecam 💀

[scarlet mango]

You know I have a moon idea for something surrounded by water. After seeing this I will try to remember to put blockers in place to stop navmesh from spawning if ice gets spawned from one of these weathers lol

[somber hemlock]

endoxicom do you have the navmesh visualizer on Imperium enabled perchance?

[quasi quartz]

figured it out nvm

[somber hemlock]

I wonder if that is causing your freeze

[quasi quartz]

naur

[somber hemlock]

interesting

it seems strange that voxx couldn't repro when you did with a very minimal profile (if I'm to assume the list you gave earlier was the entirety)

but also this is Audio Knight's moon right?

[quasi quartz]

Evaisa-FixPluginTypesSerialization-1.1.1
MaxWasUnavailable-LethalModDataLib-1.2.2
(disabled) sfDesat-ViewExtension-1.3.0
Hardy-LCMaxSoundsFix-1.2.0
AudioKnight-StarlancerAIFix-3.8.4
BepInEx-BepInExPack-5.4.2100
IAmBatby-LethalLevelLoader-1.4.6
AudioKnight-StarlancerMoons-3.0.0
(disabled) Zaggy1024-PathfindingLib-0.0.5
(disabled) Zaggy1024-PathfindingLagFix_Beta-2.0.6
mrov-MrovLib-0.2.17
v0xx-TerraMesh-1.1.3
mrov-WeatherRegistry-0.3.16
v0xx-LethalElementsBeta-1.2.68
Lordfirespeed-OdinSerializer-2022.11.9
Rune580-LethalCompany_InputUtils-0.7.7
xilophor-LethalNetworkAPI-3.3.2
giosuel-Imperium-0.2.8

it stopped freezing when I turned off the water freezing

[somber hemlock]

I wanna know if the NavMeshSurface is set up with Current Object Hierarchy or a Volume

@ionic garnet would you be able to try creating a bounding volume for Auralis to see if that helps with these navmesh rebuild freezes?

[small cypress]

i'm gonna check again now, but i didn't notice anything extremely weird before. it always freezes for a second or two on big moons due to rebake, cause as you said unity appears to still run it on the main thread. but i didn't have fans spinning out of control or something like that

[somber hemlock]

yeah I'm kinda curious what the rebake looks like on a profile too

[small cypress]

i guess i can also enable this myself at runtime? i already calculate the "playable" volume

[ionic garnet]

I can do it tomorrow, what all is entailed?

[somber hemlock]

just changing to what I hovered in that screenshot and then adjusting the bounding box to encompass the intended navigable areas

[ionic garnet]

kk, who should I send it to, you or Voxx?

[somber hemlock]

oh I mean the only person that has seemed to consistently repro this is @quasi quartz, but it can't really hurt to just release it with that change anyway imo

it should reduce the amount of work that the engine does when generating navmesh in general

[small cypress]

No I can reproduce this on the latest version, I guess I mixed them up before

[somber hemlock]

ah I see, then it could go to voxx

[small cypress]

I actually cannot land at all lol

[ionic garnet]

sounds good 👍

not the not landing part

that's bad lol

[small cypress]

And on the previous terrain version it worked ok

So I think it may be more than just water

Assuming it didn't change between versions

[quasi quartz]

(there is still an unnecesary amount of water tho tbh)

[somber hemlock]

that's curious

I feel like for a map that big it's probably still worth making a volume, or probably even just generally for all terrain moons

[small cypress]

oh man

[ionic garnet]

it never occurred to me to lower the scale once I got more comfortable using unity lol

I'll address that as well

[small cypress]

i also had to account for such things anyway, so it's not your fault

[small cypress]

yeah, ok i set it at runtime and it fixed it

[small cypress]

i published a hotfix for this navmesh problem

[somber hemlock]

oh wait what is the fix on your side?

the different hook location?

[small cypress]

i just enabled this

[somber hemlock]

did you set a bounding box that still included most of the map? without setting the bounding box up it might not encompass the playable area

[sick ridge]

Probably the water freezing stuff lol, I noticed Snowfall and Blizzard's lag were basically non existent with that off too

I didn't know that was the main culprit of them lagging

[small cypress]

ye, i approximate the playable area

[somber hemlock]

and it can't just be the bounds of the terrain, since it is going to need to include non-terrain objects as well

hmm I see

how can you know what is intended to be included without making a whitelist per moon?

[small cypress]

i do it a bit weirdly: i collect all outside ai nodes, entrances + ship position. create a bounding box around this and then inflate it by 75%

[somber hemlock]

ah hmm

[small cypress]

so far it seems to always be enough

[somber hemlock]

but only if it is set up to include all objects?

[small cypress]

wdym

[somber hemlock]

if a moon is already set to have a volume, are you overriding it?

this feels like a bit of an overstep to me tbh

[small cypress]

ah it will include even objects outside the hierachy?

[somber hemlock]

idk really

but my point wasn't about including other objects, it was about modifying a volume that someone had explicitly set up

tbh changing the option yourself at all feels a bit weird to me, but if this is a common issue maybe it makes sense

still, moon authors should be doing this themselves, not you

terrain based moons are almost never entirely playable

[small cypress]

i realized it will include objects even outside intended hierarchy

oops

[somber hemlock]

zeekerss has all moon navmesh limited to a very small area compared to the entire terrain mesh

[small cypress]

i have to revert cuz this can cause some really wacky behaviour

[somber hemlock]

yeah I mean idk how often that will be an issue, but you may have been increasing the area that has to be voxelized in some cases

just better to report it to moon authors imo

[small cypress]

yeah, makes more sense

[somber hemlock]

definitely good to have confirmed that that was the issue though

[summer mist]

voxx is voxelising?

[small cypress]

ok , i reverted the changes. unfortunately i cannot fix this from my side (at least for now) so it's up to moonmakers to make sure that their navmesh is not allowed to stretch to infinity and beyond

[still owl]

voxx

how on earth does your snow layering stuff work

im just curious

its like magic to me lol

like how does the snow pile

[small cypress]

it's a shader

[still owl]

ohhhhh

[small cypress]

in short

[still owl]

is it a separate mesh or does it get applied to the terrain mesh

[small cypress]

it's a separate mesh, yeah, i do some postprocessing on it to make snow look proper though

[still owl]

it looks pretty good imo

its kinda impressive to me

oh

idk if ive suggested this before, but if possible, it would be cool if there was some audio feedback when shovelling snow

just an idea

maybe particles too

[small cypress]

oh nice idea, i'll add it to my to do list

btw is snow color better now or nah?

[sick ridge]

Much better

[verbal shell]

🦭

[sick ridge]

I actually think it looks closer to real snow

[small cypress]

super

[quasi quartz]

the mix up

[vital lotus]

Will just say, when i asked Temmie to test Blizzard on all maps to see which ones supported snow / how the water behaved, they did report to me that Auralis crashed too, perhaps a week ago or so
Tho i didnt get a log from them or press further about it

[sick ridge]

Yeah voxx's suggestion to turn off freezing the water works for now, it's something Starlancer has to fix on his end basically the water is stretching too far

[small cypress]

there is a small update that should improve blizzard performance on low end machines

[still owl]

what u do

[scarlet mango]

“Improve blizzard performance on low end machines”

Or, hypothetically at least

[sick ridge]

Changelog mentioned the calculation for particles got optimized

er my bad Collision lol

[small cypress]

changed some collision settings and limited the depth mapping camera's render area to a box around player (instead of the entire level like before)

[small cypress]

working on dynamic ice breaking

each cell will be like a destroyable platform

[orchid wyvern]

cant wait

[green sleet]

@small cypress Oh btw do you think you could add an event or something that gets invoked when LevelManipulator.isSnowReady is set to true? Didn't realize you made it async and I need to wait until after it's ready to do material swaps and other stuff

I do have something figured out right now so no rush, but it could be useful to others maybe

[small cypress]

sure, i'll add it

[green sleet]

Yippee

[small cypress]

have you tried playing with color tag stuff?

[green sleet]

Yee I just haven't released it yet

[small cypress]

so it works? i've never done soft deps before so i just checked that it doesnt crash lol

[green sleet]

I've only actually tested snow color + both of the toxic smog ones and it seemed to work fine

Changing toxic smog to be the same color as Spore Lizards' spore cloud effect

[small cypress]

that's great, thank you!

[green sleet]

Implying the outside spore lizards are what caused it all lmao

[small cypress]

oooh interesting take

[green sleet]

Secretly evil

[small cypress]

evil toxic fart 😶‍🌫️

[green sleet]

I think the fog does look a bit weird but I'll probably mess with the materials to try make it look better

[small cypress]

Oh yeah, it's pretty difficult to choose a proper color when you work with volumetric fog. i'd just temporarily place your own fog in the scene, select the color and then copy it to the tag and remove the fog.

[quasi quartz]

bee vil

[green sleet]

I think it's just fog in general, guessing due to emissiveness maybe

Looks alright but feels a bit too visible lol

Also gotta make the reflection probe show purple lights

[small cypress]

zeeks pass also messes with distant objects a bit so they look somewhat highlighted

[small cypress]

but i think this looks pretty nice

[green sleet]

Snow blends in better with the grass replacement after changing its color too

[green sleet]

I'll have to replace the frozen (breakable) lake once you cook this though 👀

[summer mist]

I love how any slightly dark opaque mesh just turns gray if you move 2 feet away

[fallow ginkgo]

holy ??? you're going that complex

ok hear me out though

you've got snow, blizzard

[small cypress]

it was actually surprisingly easy lol, i think the hardest part was generating an appropriate mesh and sharding it, but all relevant algos are already implemented in terramesh

[fallow ginkgo]

what about... reverse snowfall

starts at peak snowage, begins to melt and the ice slowly breaks away

[small cypress]

ok, that's super easy lol

just changing one sign

[fallow ginkgo]

bro is smart as hell goddamn

[fallow ginkgo]

call it Freshet

(no I didn't look it up I'm smart I swear)

[fallow ginkgo]

figured it was, but hey you'd have a trio of snowy weathers like how there's three rainy weathers

[small cypress]

so fancy

but i'll probably make it a random event for snowfall

[fallow ginkgo]

either way ice being interactable is super cool...

[fallow ginkgo]

ikr... my glossary is simply gargantuan

[small cypress]

i want to add another event - "Iceover", on moons where Flooded weather is allowed occasionaly ice will cover a significant portion of the map

basically frozen flooded

[fallow ginkgo]

oh peaaaak

so it's literally reverse flooded?

like, instead of the main gimmick preventing you from going certain places it creates paths

[small cypress]

yeah, but also slippery

@green sleet do you actually need an event or making isSnowReady public will be enough?

[green sleet]

Action/event would be preferable since I wouldn't have to start another coroutine that checks for it before running stuff, but making it public works

[summer mist]

just curious how you implement slipperiness

[small cypress]

idk yet lol

[summer mist]

oh

im doing it eventually, the movement code is bleh, but i plan on taking the current player's movement and add it to externalForceAutoFade and that miiiiight do it

[small cypress]

there is already a slipperiness value in the code that gets used when you slide from steep hills

i'm probably gonna use it

[summer mist]

ah ic

[small cypress]

also i thought about this too

[summer mist]

i forgot abotu that one, i remember looking into it a bit and it going into like... -35 or some weird values

my favourite zeeker values are always the random ones

[small cypress]

lovely

[summer mist]

in schools they teach you that 0 < x < 1 for friction, in zeekerss academy they teach you x is an element of all real numbers

im sure there's a reason for it turning negative atleast, probably

[small cypress]

i mean i also have some magic numbers

10 - no snow

0 - full snow

very logical

(it's due to a noise function in the shader)

[summer mist]

https://tenor.com/view/lame-painful-story-cool-story-bro-boring-gif-22203115

reminds me of something really funny

unrelated but animation events can pass integers, strings and floats

cant pass booleans

[small cypress]

shaders as well

[summer mist]

that feels so weird to me

[small cypress]

but in the shader you can define booleans

[summer mist]

[small cypress]

they are treated as a float with 0 or 1

[summer mist]

float? not int?

[small cypress]

yes not int

idk why

[summer mist]

oh apparently animation events also take an object reference

god forbid they allow booleans rather than me doing 1 0

[small cypress]

"The original HLSL came out 2002. At this time, GPUs were only capable of performing floating point arithmetic. Integers, bools, etc were simulated on top of floats. Thus, the int/uint/bool mechanics were somewhat syntactic sugar on top of a pipeline that was just floats. Later, these types became native but the old rules were still in play."

[summer mist]

huh

stilll kinda stoopid ngl

[slender lintel]

I'm not smart enough to fully understand this discussion but I'm led to believe I agree with xu's above statement

[somber hemlock]

I'm guessing that booleans are syntactic sugar still

as they are in any language really

afaik in most languages like C, booleans can be assigned any value representable by a u8 if you break the usual rules of the language (which in C# would require unsafe code)

[visual pendant]

i got the idea, not sure if it's possible to implement. Is it possible to convert rain particle system to VFX, so collision are processed on gpu?

if it's hard to implement i might try to instead use burst for coliision

as particle system collision is called on main thread, causing low fps when raining

[somber hemlock]

huh, why is it doing things while it's waiting for jobs? that seems strange

normally I don't see anything under WaitForJobGroupID

probably not totally relevant to optimizing it but I would be curious to see what the job workers are doing during that

with regard to GPU collision, as far as I know it's a very crude approximation based on the main camera's depth buffer (or a less crude one when using a dedicated camera)

definitely voxx will be the definitive answer on this though as they have way more experience with VFX than I do

would be curious to see how HDRP rendering an extra camera compares in main thread time versus physics queries for each particle

(and also how it does with a custom render function to simplify the rendering process for that depth camera down from the overengineering of the HDRP loop)

[visual pendant]

[small cypress]

Yes it's possible

In short

Long answer is: it would require profiling, and there are two ways of doing.

• Capture the entire level's depth map once in high res -> store and bind the buffer
• Have a small low res camera floating above the player rendering depth continuously

All cameras need to be orthographic, and there's a way to make it more performant by making a custom render feature (you only need the depth pass, also to overwrite transparent materials and render them into depth too), but I haven't got to this yet

In my case I had to do it because of the amount of particles and it was clearly better, not sure how much of a benefit or would provide for vanilla, esp in the second case

[spice axle]

it would be cool when you fall through the ice and drown you come back up as a frozen cube

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-ice-squidward-spongebob-gif-3574058

[green sleet]

Teleport a block of ice back to the ship 💀

[spice axle]

just slowly slides around the ship

[fiery siren]

has anyone had any issues with these weathers on wesley's moons?

[opaque otter]

got this when going to any moon with solar flare

[small cypress]

thank you I'll check

[empty pivot]

Just so you know, for some reason, snow pileup doesnt work on custom moons like Kast, which is a shame as its my favorite custom moon out there

Other than that, this is probably one of my favorite mods out there, and feels like it fits perfectly into Zeekerss's design and standard, I love it

[small cypress]

unfortunately it only works on non-artificial ground because i have no control over how custom moons are created :C and afaik there's a concrete block on kast on top of the ground

[empty pivot]

Yea thats what I thought, tragic, it would have been such a fun map to have snow on

Also, have you ever thought of a tremors weather? Like an earthquake. More rocks would spawn around the map, and every now and then the ground would start rumbling, signifying tremors are about to start. Boulders and stuff could fall down from cliffs, and it would knock players around a bit, reduced if they are crouching. Scrap would also get knocked around and repositioned a bit too. It would also affect things interior, just less so

[scarlet mango]

If anything I’d think the interior would have more impact, like falling ceiling stuff. They’d probably just have to be like concrete chunks or something generic to match different interiors. It might be difficult to know what’s a “cliff” for falling rocks. Also, it’d be interesting to have weather that’s more indoor than outdoor focused (yes there is the indoor fog and enemy infestation stuff but those are random events and indoor fog is outdoor fog, but indoors).

[small cypress]

i need the full log and modlist, i cannot reproduce this at all

[neon orchid]

is there any sort of config for htis mod?

[quasi quartz]

yes

[neon orchid]

every single moon that doesnt have a vanilla weather assigned to it has the modded weather status

lethalconfig shows nothing, cant find one in the files

you think you can upload yours for me?

[quasi quartz]

WeatherRegistry does choosing of weathers but

[neon orchid]

thx

much appriciated

"dangerous download has been blocked"

nvm

false positive from google

[quasi quartz]

for future reference, have you tried loading into a save

[neon orchid]

ok seems like there IS a config lethal configs just didnt wanna show so there was one in the configs folder, its just that windows search option sucks A##

[neon orchid]

3 times

[quasi quartz]

okok

[neon orchid]

its there search option didnt find it for me

[quasi quartz]

unluck

[neon orchid]

i cant find an option to edit the chance of getting the weather status's on the moons

would be a nice addition to have in future updates, considering it's in beta phase

[quasi quartz]

WeatherRegistry does choosing of weathers but

You'll find what you're looking for in WeatherRegistry's config

[small cypress]

It's handled by weather registry

[neon orchid]

thanks much i tried to search keywords in the discord search option to reach my answer but couldn't get it to search for the words inside of this post and it kept searching whole of #1169056298856362105 so i gave up and asked for help

for anyone who has my problem just disable "Weather Weights" in the Weather Registery configs.

[small cypress]

i just checked a couple of cheapest ones, seems to work ok

[small cypress]

Ok, there are some problems, but they are unavoidable. Some of the new wesley's moons have an enormously big terrain, so they aren't processed as fast as it happens usually. In this case when you land on the planet with snowfall/blizzard weather it will look normal for a while and then instantaneously change to snowy and water will freeze. At least that what happens for me on Thalasso...

I can leave it as it is OR block door opening before everything is complete, you can decide.

Unfortunately this is not possible to address from my side, the only other solution is for wesley to terra mesh the terrain, but i know it's a hassle with his amount of moons...

[opaque otter]

0194a012-366f-cc68-07db-71ce587871ab

[small cypress]

ah ok, it's not breaking anything right now, but i'll fix it

thank you!

[night widget]

i wonder if it'd be possible to make a config to make terramesh apply every round instead of just during blizzard/snowfall

[slender lintel]

What for?

[small cypress]

if you want to do it for the posterization effect, there will be something that will fix it for terrains in the future. I am terrameshing strictly out of necessity here, so i don't want to mess with moons otherwise

[night widget]

ah, i see

[scarlet mango]

Got this when leaving a solar flare

[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
VoxxWeatherPlugin.Weathers.SolarFlareVFXManager.Reset () (at ./src/Behaviours/Weathers/SolarFlareWeather.cs:604)
VoxxWeatherPlugin.Weathers.SolarFlareWeather.OnDisable () (at ./src/Behaviours/Weathers/SolarFlareWeather.cs:135)
UnityEngine.GameObject:SetActive(GameObject, Boolean)
<EndOfGame>d__279:MoveNext()
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
StartOfRound:EndOfGameClientRpc(Int32, Int32, Int32, Int32)
StartOfRound:__rpc_handler_2659636069(NetworkBehaviour, FastBufferReader, __RpcParams)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers:Handle(NetworkContext&, RpcMetadata&, FastBufferReader&, __RpcParams&)
Unity.Netcode.ClientRpcMessage:Handle(NetworkContext&)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour:__endSendClientRpc(FastBufferWriter&, UInt32, ClientRpcParams, RpcDelivery)
StartOfRound:EndOfGameClientRpc(Int32, Int32, Int32, Int32)
<unloadSceneForAllPlayers>d__273:MoveNext()
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine:InvokeMoveNext(IEnumerator, IntPtr)

[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
VoxxWeatherPlugin.Weathers.SolarFlareVFXManager.OnDisable () (at ./src/Behaviours/Weathers/SolarFlareWeather.cs:617)
UnityEngine.GameObject:SetActive(GameObject, Boolean)
TimeOfDay:DMD<TimeOfDay::DisableAllWeather>(TimeOfDay, Boolean)
<EndOfGame>d__279:MoveNext()
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour:StartCoroutine(IEnumerator)
StartOfRound:EndOfGameClientRpc(Int32, Int32, Int32, Int32)
StartOfRound:__rpc_handler_2659636069(NetworkBehaviour, FastBufferReader, __RpcParams)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers:Handle(NetworkContext&, RpcMetadata&, FastBufferReader&, __RpcParams&)
Unity.Netcode.ClientRpcMessage:Handle(NetworkContext&)
Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour:__endSendClientRpc(FastBufferWriter&, UInt32, ClientRpcParams, RpcDelivery)
StartOfRound:EndOfGameClientRpc(Int32, Int32, Int32, Int32)
<unloadSceneForAllPlayers>d__273:MoveNext()
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine:InvokeMoveNext(IEnumerator, IntPtr) ```

Not sure that it really caused an issue, but figured I'd mention it.

I see earlier there was a report of an error on landing, which it does not appear I got

Aren't there a few types of solar flares or something? I wonder if it's only certain types that this occurs with

[small cypress]

Yeah, it's been reported before, but it's not breaking anything, so don't worry. I'll fix it a bit later

[vagrant prawn]

aquatis seems to crash on snowfall, prob due to the mass amount of water

[small cypress]

noted

[vagrant prawn]

ill assume its elements since my cpu usage went up to 100% and the game just immediately stopped

[small cypress]

Yes it is because water plane is insanely big there, so unity drops dead trying to build a navmesh

[vagrant prawn]

figures yeah

[small cypress]

Thankfully by default this moon is excluded from the weather

[vagrant prawn]

oh?

[small cypress]

Oh actually no, I forgot to add it 💀

[vagrant prawn]

oh lmfao

[fallow ginkgo]

do you want me to look for island moons w lots of water so you can blacklist em?

[small cypress]

Thank you for your willingness to help, I appreciate it! But don't spend your time on this rn.
I actually know a solution to this problem, but it will require me to finish implementing the ice cracking stuff, so it won't be out now D:

In the meantime I just suggest to disable freezing altogether since it doesn't bring anything special to the table.

[scarlet mango]

I just remembered something. In testing I’m pretty sure I got an Ogo spawn while the water was frozen. This might just be inevitable and realistically Ogo could probably break ice, but I figured I’d mention it anyway. I didn’t think to see what happens if I’m grabbed though. I guess you’d either get pulled through or land on the ice which if the ice breaking mechanic is added could be funny.

[scarlet mango]

Meant to reply to you on this ^ though it’s probably just one of those edge cases

[fallow ginkgo]

aur ok!!!

[fallow ginkgo]

I sent voxx the internal names so he can add them to the blacklist by default, so we shouldn't worry about that in the future!

[visual pendant]

looks like visualeffects are not cleanup correctly?

try to look into footprint vfx cleanup process

hmmm

[sick ridge]

So seems like disabling this should fix it for now right?

But yeah this needs fixed, this currently will stack every lobby reload you do and it causes performance to slowly get worse and worse everytime

I thought it was a bug with More Company.

[small cypress]

oh, strange, I'll look into this

they are actually destroyed on departure and this cleanup is just for perfectionism's sake, so they aren't being rendered and can't actually stack up or something like this.
It's weird that vfx update takes this long tho, is it the same on the first ever landing?

[visual pendant]

i never landed

it's just reloading the lobby causing more vfx to update

[small cypress]

Ah ok then I understand why they aren't being cleaned that function is called when you depart from snow or blizzard weather

In theory this shouldnt cause that much delay tho, unless you went out to the menu dozens of times in a row. Only around 10 of them spawn during lobby start and I think it would take several hundred to get some visible delay, so I'm wondering how many times did you restart?
Also they aren't being rendered in the lobby, kinda strange that vfx graph still updates them

[visual pendant]

10-12 reloads probably

ok 11 times

[small cypress]

Thank you very much for the info, I'll address it in a hotfix today and will try to profile.

Still incredibly strange to me that even 100 instances of batched VFX (that are also extremely simple - just dark static circles) take that much time... I hope there isn't anything more to it D:

[visual pendant]

well 100 instances for some reason converted to 88000 instances

[small cypress]

wat
Oh boy, I'll check. That would do it, yeah

[sick ridge]

@small cypress Are you still pushing that hotfix today?

☠️

[vagrant prawn]

blizzard on asteroid-13 honestly a vibe

[night widget]

how does a blizzard happen there? there is no atmosphere? there is no clouds to snow? this is simply illogical!

[vagrant prawn]

sometimes its best to thinkn't

[scarlet mango]

Me going through life on a daily basis

[vagrant prawn]

there are three options: nepotism, optimism, thinkn't

[small cypress]

Are you sure all of this is from me?
I did the same thing by restarting the lobby 12 times and while you're correct that they weren't cleaned up properly in this case, their amount is nowhere near 88k, its always (number of players + 2 ||(clipboard + sticky note)|| ) x number of reloads, so at 12th iteration it's just 72, which i can confirm (see screenshot). Profiling also shows around the same number (don't look at the time delay, i get pretty shit fps during profiling), so idk what's up.
Maybe you had other mods that caused something weird? I just saw that for some reason if you have imperium and it cannot activate, it causes Start callback to be activated multiple times, but it still wasn't in the thousands...

[sick ridge]

Try adding MoreCompany and seeing if that causes it to stack, cus I noticed my lag issue happened with MoreCompany enabled after around 10-12 reloads but not with it disabled

So it could be that there's a combination thing happening from your bug + MoreCompany being present

[cerulean gulch]

(32+2)*12 = 408

[cerulean gulch]

So morecompany would logically increase the issue (unless by "number of players" you meant active players?)

[small cypress]

Yes it indeed increases to 408, I checked. But still nowhere near reported 88k.
408 wouldn't cause lags as well, it's nothing for the VFX graph, so still not sure what's up on diffoz' end.

[small cypress]

The thing is, it's also not possible to understand which visual effects are causing this, so it might not be from me. This number is all of them combined regardless of the mod source.

[stuck current]

something is horribly wrong

[slender lintel]

Looks pretty jolly to me

[small cypress]

This is most likely from another mod breaking weather

[stuck current]

0194be1a-17ae-2874-3902-d928512fb179

wait i think thats the wrong one

huh i guess not idk why it says 7-7-2024

[hexed sinew]

Is the beta stable now?

[scarlet mango]

Seemed pretty stable last time I tested

[small cypress]

I didn't find anything that would directly cause this, other than ScanTweaks erroring out. My mod actually doesn't control how the weather is enabled or disabled - that is done on Weather Registry's side. Log says weather effect was disabled, so idk what's up. Unfortunately other than removing mods until the problem is gone I cannot suggest a solution, sorry :C

[stuck current]

alright thanks for trying to help

disabled scantweaks and that fixed the issue

very strange

[past coral]

Is there a way to reduce the player movement reduction for snow or does it scale with snow height?

[small cypress]

yup, it scales with height

[past coral]

Thats good to know
thanks

[small cypress]

Just so you know, you can also clean snow by swinging a shovel

[past coral]

Won't the snow piles regenerate quickly after doing that?

Using a shovel didn't seem very efficient in my first test
Having a purchasable snow blower or flamethrower would be cool to blow/melt it away

Or using the stun gun ray as a way to melt it

[small cypress]

They should stay as long as the paths left by players (10 minutes or so).
I don't really want to deal with scraps and player animations, so there probably won't be any custom items...
Currently the most efficient way to avoid snow is to use a cruiser.

[past coral]

No worries thanks to your extensive config options I'll just tone down the min/max height values of the snow height to my likings

[sick ridge]

Might be something with him running a debug build for profiling but still this is an issue that needs fixed lol

Some bugs become worse or become exaggerated in debug builds of unity when profiling the game

[small cypress]

i was also checking this in a debug build

[sudden wagon]

Disabling Snowfall does a funny

Reproduced by only installing elements and dependencies

[modern bronze]

Was testing snowfall and blizzard on Ganimedes, and snow is spawning about 20 seconds after ship has landed. I was going to one of entrances and "poof!" black screen for about 1/2 seconds and snow is everywhere. I'm not a modder, but It may be due to outdoor size of Ganimedes?

[modern bronze]

Ok, nevermind I see that this issue was already spotted

[modern bronze]

Snow particles spawn on Titan should be placed higher tho

[small cypress]

I don't place them manually, it's something specifically with Titan that's causing this but I wasn't able to figure this out yet

[small cypress]

Oh oops, did you disable only snowfall or blizzard too?

[sudden wagon]

only snowfall, didn't test blizzard or others

[small cypress]

yeah i found it, happens if snowfall is disabled, but blizzard is not D:

my bad, sorry

[modern bronze]

Ok I get it 👍 . Btw great job with the mod so far! These snowy weathers fit really good to LC 👌

[winter mortar]

@small cypress I DMed you for some help with the snow

[young pine]

Is there a way to blacklist like certain weathers for certain moons or is that not possible

I tried looking in configs but couldn't find anything about that

[frail prism]

WeatherRegistry has a blacklist for each weather, its on its own config

Set it to Whitelist so it only shows up on the moons you put in the config

[young pine]

I see thanks

👍

[empty pivot]

Maybe make it generate X units higher than wherever the highest point of interest is at(fire exit, ship, main entrance)

[spice axle]

does lethal elements beta work ok with wesley moons?

[fiery siren]

@spice axle

[spice axle]

[somber hemlock]

@small cypress I think this must be LethalElements right? Every GrabbableObject.Update() is allocating

any way you can cache this instead of calling through to runtime for each item every frame?

(or preferably just avoid patching items at all, idk what this is doing)

I guess it looks like maybe the allocations are actually WeatherRegistry's fault, but I'm sure you could avoid calling its functions every frame if you are able to react to some event instead

@cold dragon cc

[summer mist]

Is patching an update cycle bad

[somber hemlock]

I wouldn't do it for something that you can expect to have hundreds of in the scene if you can avoid it

[summer mist]

Oh fair

[somber hemlock]

but especially don't do anything expensive in those cases

[summer mist]

I'll keep my late update and update patches on the player

[somber hemlock]

this is very heavy for something in GrabbableObject.Update

[summer mist]

Icic

[somber hemlock]

people can easily have hundreds to thousands of these

.02 * 200 = 4 ms

[summer mist]

Normalize using ship inventory tbh, but you're right

[somber hemlock]

in this save that Lunxara gave me, it is 104 items with a runtime of that patch of 1.4 ms

that is unacceptable

I think maybe Lunxara uses that

[sick ridge]

No wonder my ship was so laggy

I do use LEBeta

[sick ridge]

I do

Lol

It still affects it

[summer mist]

Okay your ship won't be laggy from that lol, it'll be bad but you shouldn't notice it, it's just bad since it's constant

[sick ridge]

Yeah

We utilize a mix of the Ship Inventory plus keeping some stuff on the ship so it doesn't feel empty

[somber hemlock]

wait does LethalElements not have a GitHub? I forgor, I thought I had looked at one before

[summer mist]

Is that because you also buy a ton of equipment and never put it in the chute? (I'm assuming it's not possible/more convenient to just leave em out but I've noticed a need for an equipment version since glitch does that too)

[summer mist]

I've gotten used to looking at source so no idea

[sick ridge]

It might be, the GrabbableObject.Update() patch might be for the tools like Flashlights and Walkies

cus of Solar Flare

Would nuking Solar Flare fix this?

[somber hemlock]

idk, one sec

[summer mist]

Doubt, but I'll let voxx and zaggy handle it

[sick ridge]

I don't wanna completely remove LEBeta lol

I'm hoping for a workaround solution

[summer mist]

It's bad but not that bad, I'd just put my stuff in the chute, though again I'd let voxx and zaggy handle it

[small cypress]

There's no event afaik and on my side I use singletons already so can't really fix this. I need this to understand when weather is enabled before the actual weather object is enabled

[somber hemlock]

why is it called in GrabbableObject.Update()?

also this is one allocation that is totally unnecessary I would think

[summer mist]

You need to know when the weather is enabled before the gameobject itself is enabled right?

[somber hemlock]

your strings are yours, why are you allocating in order to avoid case sensitive comparison?

(but also a string comparison here is cursed regardless)

[small cypress]

Yes

[somber hemlock]

why? because the weather doesn't activate until after some things are spawned that you modify?

why not just check if the weather is active and make changes to objects as they awake, then after it becomes active, change the states of those objects to match?

[summer mist]

I usually postfix arriveonlevel to put out the visuals warning for windy

[somber hemlock]

then you can't miss anything, and you don't need an expensive check like this

[summer mist]

It runs once the player routes to a moon before lever pull

[somber hemlock]

idk how often all of these are called, but it seems like this is kinda concerning for such a heavy method to be called so many places

[simple fiber]

(Just wanna mention at the very least you could check this once per update loop and not per item per update loop)

[somber hemlock]

the snow one is calling it twice per update per frame too

regardless, I know you're good at what you do, so I figure you can find a better solution, I just wanted to point this out because it is a really bad cost for something that doesn't even do anything in orbit

or when the weather is inactive

if you wanna brainstorm I'm down to help out, but regardless it would be good to reduce the impact if possible

[simple fiber]

Asking more for curiosity than a proper solution, would it be better to check if there was a change in the string then check what that change was?

[somber hemlock]

not sure what difference it would make, that's still a string comparison that needs to be done, unless I'm misunderstanding you

really not a fan of string comparisons anywhere though

[simple fiber]

Just didn’t know if c# could compare them in a more objecty way to avoid that stuff in general

[somber hemlock]

strings aren't interned in C#, so it will have to go character by character

[simple fiber]

i would have crucified the string check but weather is fucked territory