Lethal Elements

[vital kettle]

LMAO DW

MB

[cold dragon]

🤭

[vital kettle]

i dont alter values for combined weathers since they're their own thing entirely

better not fuck wit them

we love vermin on flooded

we LOVEEE vermin on flooded

[small cypress]

That would be a pretty useful fuck up lol, I need to implement this for my weather oof

[vital kettle]

we LOVEEE vermin on flooded

[cold dragon]

to add enemies/scrap?

hmm

[small cypress]

Yes

Rn I need to block some enemies during snow

[cold dragon]

i am not considering doing that (because too hard) 🤭

[small cypress]

Like bees and such

[cold dragon]

but the idea is good and could be used tbh

[smoky acorn]

ok so i will put a short commentary about betaweather =

snowfall= gorgeous
Blizzard= my favorite weather so far
toxic smog=i like the idea, can't wait to see progression on this one

[vital kettle]

localised rend for snowfall

[simple fiber]

would be wayyy easier if users didn't get to stick their hands in every gear imaginable

[smoky acorn]

also is cloudy weather part of betaweatherregistry ? cuz idk the goal of this weather

[cold dragon]

ALSO THAT

the pandora box has been open by someone and we have to deal with the fallout 😭

[cold dragon]

darker sky

[smoky acorn]

ho

[cold dragon]

purely visual

[vital kettle]

i love to meddle

[simple fiber]

you'd get used to not having it if you didn't

[wise mirage]

the second weather idea I have is a Carbon Veil. So visually since carbon dioxide is both oderless and invisible, I guess just the slightest change in the color scheme or something to barely tell it's the weather. Carbon Veil, an excess in Carbon Dioxide causing auditory and possibly visual halluciations. Can just be auditory but visual halluciations is technically possible I thikn. since we have a suit, we don't breath it in, but if you are damaged at all then the air would leak in your suit causing said effects

[cold dragon]

the issue right now is: people don't like losing stuff they got used to

which is fair, but some things shouldn't be allowed in the first place

[simple fiber]

they'll get over it

what choice do they have lmaoo

[cold dragon]

make their own mods to fuck it up 🤭

[wise mirage]

In short for the ideas. Acid Rain, slightly dif color hue or green. Causes scrap value to decrease the longer your exposed. Causes damage if your exposed too long and will continue to take said damage under the rain until you change the suit.

And the Carbon Veil one

Just a suggestion

[simple fiber]

no one will get that far we chillin

[wise mirage]

also Cloudy is a darker sky?

I thought it was just a unused weather or somthing

or like a weather that was used to test others

[vital kettle]

Ozone layer hole weather

[small cypress]

Kinda works, but idk how annoying it would be. The second one is basically what toxic smog is on derelict, but it wouldn't work well on other moons

[cold dragon]

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/CentralConfig/commit/7badb38c86764cfac75b40a5bcc3514183a9f16e

[simple fiber]

oh no thats your fault for acknowleding that mod

[vital kettle]

just a big beam of light that goes around the map from the sky burning everything in its path

kinda unrealistic but funny

[simple fiber]

i was thissss close to outright marking it incompataible

[cold dragon]

i was too

[vital kettle]

tsunami weather could be fun too

just a weather that cuts your day in half

[wise mirage]

Well the scrap value decrease could be very small to be not as annoying. And derelict's toxic smog are just small places with green gas that is very avoidable if I remember correctly

[vital kettle]

probs super hard tho

[wise mirage]

On stormy it rly doens't affect you until your way back

[cold dragon]

i'm sadly not the person to pull the trigger on those type of things

[wise mirage]

Kinda similar to the Carbon Veil idea, since you'd be damaged on your way out

[simple fiber]

your too nice

[cold dragon]

if i were, i would be gone from modding in march or something

[smoky acorn]

dustclouds and cloudy are just visuals weather, thats unfortunate, if they could slighty affect you with yoru vision or something it could be cool, but the most unfortunate one is Windy weather, the tornado is ok but i wish like blizzard the map would be full of strong wind sounds and sfx and being slighty pushed by the wind

[cold dragon]

cause at that point i could barely take it 😂

[cold dragon]

greatest strength and weakness at the same time

[small cypress]

No, when you land during foggy it's basically what you described

[vital kettle]

I like having cloudy because it lets me make the weather for any cloud based weather higher after that day

[wise mirage]

Really? I didn't know that. That's pretty cool tbh

[vital kettle]

literally works as a forcast weather

[simple fiber]

modding is wayy more fun when you don't listen to the random suggestions

back in the day devs knew what the players wanted 👅

[vital kettle]

we want apparatus tile for manor and mineshaft

still hasnt happened

[wise mirage]

?

[cold dragon]

there wasn't a random suggestion i've implemented wholesale, never

because that's not the point

[simple fiber]

i just mean in general

[cold dragon]

it's a nice place to start, but yeah

[vital kettle]

i tried to make it then gave up because i HATE unity

[wise mirage]

oh ok

[small cypress]

This is already being developed by Xu, so I can't use this idea

[simple fiber]

this community has a really bad problem with expectations and it makes it hard to actually try out ideas without being bogged down in allat

[cold dragon]

my degree was in UI/UX and user-centered design, so going back and forth with people about what's happening and how to move forward is an essential piece in my design process

but i completely agree - the trend is "more, more, more" at whatever cost

[vital kettle]

oh really??

[cold dragon]

you make something nice and want to expand it? add configs cause that part is shit

no explanation, no ideas

[simple fiber]

yeah but thats fucked because someone studying UX shouldn't be in the string based thunderstore config mines

[cold dragon]

just "this bad, configs or uninstall"

every single fucking thing

[small cypress]

There are screenshots somewhere in this thread, yeah. It's scp themed

[cold dragon]

that's the reality of job market around here

[simple fiber]

configs are the worst because they aren't fun to make and users aren't good at making content

[cold dragon]

without 5 years of professional experience i can dream of making more than minimal wage, working at mcdonalds or other shit

[simple fiber]

job markets be fucked

you'd think something like LLL might perk an ear but naur

[cold dragon]

one project is not enough to determine person's skills

[small cypress]

No, you need 100500 leetcode problems lol

[cold dragon]

same as one song doesn't let you determine artist's quality

[vital kettle]

when day breaks?

[simple fiber]

I literally live like 50min away from modio cmon now :Sob:

i got more than LLL

dw

[cold dragon]

advertise, promote it

do some portfolio shit

[simple fiber]

ya mans been done

[cold dragon]

you single-handedly carried the whole modding scene for a few months

get some fucking recognition mate

[small cypress]

Yup

[simple fiber]

i appreciate that but i been doing it 😭

[vital kettle]

that'll be fun to see

[cold dragon]

time to pivot then

learn something new, do some heavily experimental shit

the grindset 😭

[vital kettle]

do what zeekers did essentially

[simple fiber]

get lucky?

[vital kettle]

make something, and use that something to branch off onto your own project

pretty much how he started

since he started on roblox shit before unity

[cold dragon]

he got lucky, but only because he's been grinding until that point for years

[simple fiber]

zeekerss is a very talented person but it would be very unwise to follow in his footsteps imo

you have to be very fortunate to be in a position to grind on those kinds of projects for that time period

[cold dragon]

if your career plan is to "make it big by accident" start playing lotteries as well

might make it twice

[vital kettle]

he nailed game design

with gameplay

and he made the game stand out

[simple fiber]

you can stand out and go outnoticed

[vital kettle]

fair point

[karmic ridge]

10/10 mod I fucked with this for hours

[wise mirage]

You ... did what to that bug for hours?

[small cypress]

Give him a sweater based on the weather lol

[wise mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[karmic ridge]

[karmic ridge]

Yknow I potentially could

I was messing around with the weathers and Ik you have submersion on a blacklist for blizzard but I genuinely loved it so much I’d be willing to make it not have the water at all if it’s not a vanilla weather

Just so it still works

Cus holy FUCK it was pretty

[cold dragon]

holy

[small cypress]

Ye it works there besides the main entrance being blocked lol

[karmic ridge]

Ye

I could just push the water to the Lowest point methinks

[vital kettle]

we need weather skin injections

because skin registry STILL hasnt fucking added it

[small cypress]

With jll you could just disable that part if it's blizzard

[karmic ridge]

Like how once both levers are pulled it’s below the drain

[karmic ridge]

Ye

[small cypress]

Or lower it like you said

[karmic ridge]

I was planning

Was wondering if you could remove submersion from blacklist

[small cypress]

Done ✅

[karmic ridge]

Thanks bro

[cold dragon]

WeatherRegistry.GetCurrentLevelWeather().Type == WeatherType.Modded

[small cypress]

JLL also has this already 🤭

but string based

[cold dragon]

alrighty 🤭

[karmic ridge]

Like deadass though I was in a trance with blizzard

The details with the cruiser too

Oughhhhh my fucking goddddd

Black
Magic

[vital lotus]

I would argue tho that they're quite important for getting mods to play nice within a pack around other mods, in terms of balance n stuff like that
Players and by extension their packs can vary alot in like balance, themeing, general vibe etc.
So lack of config for some stuff limits how many packs the mod can work in imo
But, equally, theres plenty of stuff that i think a player shouldnt be able to config ofc
Its normally just the specific numbers on say spawn rates or how much value something is worth etc.
Like with this mod though i havent felt the need to tweak anything, it works out of the box just fine for me
But then like the CR weathers, despite being equally as good in quality to me, needed alot of tweaking to fit in nicely, as like a random example.

[small cypress]

thank you, it took a while

I'm glad people are liking it

[karmic ridge]

It was def worth it

I’m in love

My favorite weather out of any im ngl in anything

Vanilla or modded

It’s actually just so fucking cool

[small cypress]

Also just a lil spoiler: the ice won't stay THICC forever

[karmic ridge]

What mean

8 am brain dont unserstand

[small cypress]

cracking noises

[karmic ridge]

Ohhhhhhghhhh

Would the cruiser make the ice crack faster

[simple fiber]

I don’t think we have good enough tooling to handle configuration to that extent and I also think to an extent the heavy usage of configs in this community has kinda made people forget that the developer can improve that kind of stuff themselves?

There’s a lot of times where people Will download a mod with arguably rough values setup, tweak it through some config mod and the author never gets that feedback

[vital lotus]

True

[small cypress]

yes, but I need to figure out how to selectively make objects fall through

[simple fiber]

Physics.IgnoreCollision

[cold dragon]

exactly

[small cypress]

that easy, huh? nice!

[karmic ridge]

Tbf we also have authors that get the feedback and don’t do anything with it

[small cypress]

Is there a way to ignore collision only with a specific collider? So for example when people fall through the ice they would still collide with what's below it

[karmic ridge]

I’m totally not referencing anyone

[simple fiber]

Thats it

u pass in two colliders

[simple fiber]

Ok but that’s not our fault we don’t get paid for this shit

[small cypress]

Aaaah, so it's pairwise, great, haven't checked the docs yet sorry

[karmic ridge]

Neither do I bro 😭😭

[vital lotus]

problem is though that sometimes the default value just cannot please everyone, a config is required for that flexibility
But it should be paired with the feedback
Its also a good way to introduce divisive features into an existing mod without annoying a bunch of the existing playerbase

[karmic ridge]

I just think configs are good man

[summer mist]

Didn't I dm u this 🤣

[karmic ridge]

Playing Wesley’s moons in their current state without custom
Configs is torture

[vital lotus]

simply "not updating" doesnt work when things keep breaking each vanilla or major mod update sadly

[karmic ridge]

I went to asteroid 13 and got actually traumatized

[small cypress]

maybe, I forgor 💀

[summer mist]

Loool

[simple fiber]

I don’t think all mods should please everyone

[cold dragon]

what was the quote

[vital lotus]

ofc
but if the implementation to add a lil bit of customisation to then largely increase how many can/would use the mod, i say its worth it
If its a pain in the ass just so that like 1 person uses it cough cough me asking for CR to do spawn curves for traps instead of old system cough cough then idk, depends if the dev is cool with it
its all about a balance and proportion as to how much effort it takes to do and how many people it would make accessible to etc.

[vital lotus]

ofc like say...if you have a mod that is naturally very niche, then asking for a config to make it like more widely usable probably isnt worth it because it defeats the point of the mod originally
Like making a shitposty thing not shitposty

[vital lotus]

What mean

[cold dragon]

it's an issue when people are just hellbent on messing with your stuff

[simple fiber]

To an extent yes but I think the community is way over the line

With no diss to anyone implementing it, configuration curves via a string is fucking stupid

[vital lotus]

i think it also depends whetther they actually like the original thing but just wanna have it tweaked a lil to work in the pack
Or they straight up dont like it and wanna make it very different, at which point they should proly make their own mod

[simple fiber]

Changing the name of moons is stupid

[karmic ridge]

Who was asking to change the name of moons what the fuck

[cold dragon]

changing the names of weathers is pointless

[summer mist]

Figuring out what predicates are, resolving LL's weird ass formatting of level names and fixing LL's bugs was all very fun and isn't even close to the obstacles I had to deal with to make my hazards spawn with actual animation curves from a config lol

[vital lotus]

someone asked for that???

[summer mist]

You might be able to guess honestly

[simple fiber]

I’ve had to say no many times

[cold dragon]

OH YEAH

[karmic ridge]

I don’t pay attention to non mooners im ngl

[simple fiber]

Good

[karmic ridge]

Lunx?

[summer mist]

Nah, surprisingly

I'll dm you

[simple fiber]

Lc fanbase is cooked

[karmic ridge]

[simple fiber]

Still so funny that high quota community doesn’t do records per update

[summer mist]

It baffles me that high quota community also allows a decent number of mods that are kinda cheaty lol

[vital lotus]

Tbh i would be down with being able to change the name of the moon in like, LQ or LLL or some shit if its a quick and easy lil patch in the config that doenst fuck any mods up, since you can change the desc in LQ and route price etc.
But like otherwise no that sounds like a bad idea
Also brings up issues if someone then pretends its a different moon or someone rebalances a moon alot, gives it a new name and then tries to say its "theres"

Still very baffling

[vital lotus]

wait you mean like vanilla+ sorta players?

[vital lotus]

Why

[cold dragon]

just because

[summer mist]

Dunno what that means but there's like a few mods that they accept in their high quota submission which includes getting rid of company day selling so jeb no more

[cold dragon]

hmm

does the quota matter or the time they reach it?

[simple fiber]

Quota

[cold dragon]

cause if it's the first there's no difference whatsoever

[simple fiber]

So if the game gets nerfed they all fucking winge because their records aren’t per update so they can never beat them

[cold dragon]

oh, that's true 😆

[vital lotus]

bruh
i think in ours we dont have anything like that, there is more features to help like the gals but then equally more BS + higher moon prices so it sorta evens out
We tried setting our own little records but we kept just fucking around and being silly and also testing different mods and then started prepping for Bingo so we never got far

NO SHOT Teal Team still has it for the main pack omfg

QUOTA 2

[cold dragon]

238 is the record? 😳

what the fuck do you play on

[karmic ridge]

238 what

[cold dragon]

$

[karmic ridge]

Am I crazy or is that not much at all

[vital lotus]

our main pack
Me, Rg and Temmie normally would go and do one but we got caught up with Bingo
So instead Teal Team set it
This is the same team that...during bingo...uh....devolved into killing each other

[vital lotus]

Its literally Quota 2

[karmic ridge]

Adamance….

[summer mist]

Did yall also wipe on adamance

My team spent the first hour on adamance

Never survived a day

[karmic ridge]

If we’re talking about bingo

I have zero clue

I wasn’t there for the first like

Hour

[summer mist]

Ah fair

[karmic ridge]

I was slumped in bed

[summer mist]

But yeah adamance is hell

[karmic ridge]

Which I should do rn

Almost 9 am

And I still haven’t slept

[vital lotus]

thats actually what i wasnt sure about doing with ours, cuz i cba to split it into categories for like each update
Having the latest version of the game/pack invalidate the previous is also stinky so i unno
I suppose i should just not care and throw on multiple side by side or something

[vital lotus]

Fr

[karmic ridge]

Our team did wipe actually

I wasn’t there for it

But it apparently happened

[proven mason]

I wasnt there, it didnt happen

[karmic ridge]

I wanted the cake so fucking bad

So we kept routing to the same moon to try it

And we kept just

Rolling other interiors 😭

And then everyone got off

[vital lotus]

I think it needs more items to compensate
not much was changed iirc besides adding CR trap stuff and the ogopogo to the back of the ship area sometimes
We even buffed the beehive spawn rate to match the vanilla one from other stuff in the pool
Its basically outside-hell-offense rather than indoors

[karmic ridge]

💔

[summer mist]

3 bees spawning on the only path from anywhere in adamance to ship

Killed 4 people

[vital lotus]

HOLY

@small cypress sorry for filling your thread with sillyness btw
But next time you will come along with us for Bingo

[small cypress]

All good lol

[small cypress]

btw did you mean remove it from the Snowfall's blacklist? because it's not in the blacklist for blizzard (it was there but i removed it a while ago), maybe you have the old defaults still since they are only set once.

[night widget]

but what about moons that don't have the verticality of derelict?

would still be interesting

[small cypress]

the fog is not poisonous, only the fume clouds

[night widget]

ah

[karmic ridge]

Blizzard

Unless blizzard isn’t on your blacklist

I didn’t actually look at the blacklist myself

Cus vodka was telling me about it

[small cypress]

Yup, removed it as soon as I allowed blizzard to work on planets without terrain

[night widget]

but why have it on a moon without terrain? most of its gameplay impact is gone

[small cypress]

Idk wind and waves

Normal Snowfall is banned on those tho

I didn't put it in the changelog but the wind power is always at max for such moons to increase difficulty

[karmic ridge]

Because it’s PRETTY and it looks COOL

[fallow canyon]

I think Earth Leviathans are getting stuck when there's too much snow

[small cypress]

i'll block them from being affected 👍

[vital kettle]

everytime I take off from a modded weather, I get a null reference and my ship is stuck in motion

0193ff7f-1e24-a3c4-6cdf-2ba661ffdfb5

[small cypress]

idk, there are no debug logs so nothing seems out of ordinary and also none of the null references are from me: one is from FurnitureLock and another from LLL (but my mod definitely works with it)

[simple fiber]

@small cypress out of curiosity since your familiar with the stuffs. When you meshify terrain is it possible to theoretically split the mesh into multiple pieces based on the areas that are only weighted for 1 terrain layer?

[simple fiber]

Also might be worth benchmarking those propertyblocks? Read online that in pipelines they break batches so dunno how that weighs up

[small cypress]

yes, i think you'll need to scan the splatmap (terrainData.GetAlphamaps) first to find these areas just by checking if the values in the array are above zero or not, then using that data to split the mesh (this is the hard part). But adjust for scaling between vertex map and the splatmap.

Do you just want to paint the terrain in patches so to speak for your DOS mod? If so, you can just bake the splatmap in a way that will take only the max value for a layer, quantizing it this way. And then just assign a color for each channel of that splatmap from an average albedo of the corresponding terrain layer.

[small cypress]

do you mean for my case? i actually didn't know this, and docs say that they are indeed incompatible...
some moons have multiple ground objects and i didn't want to create several copies of materials just to change one integer for each, otherwise i'll have to cycle through these copies every frame to update the time snow accumulation D:
maybe it's worth checking out still

[wise mirage]

Is the heatwave weather whitelist for moons that make sense to have it on, or just the only moons heatwave weather will work on?

like the reason for the whitelist, does it not work for all moons?

[night widget]

i think it works on all moons

just moons that it makes sense to have it on

[wise mirage]

ahh okok

[fiery siren]

dont give voxx any ideas

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/776201918531239957/1006132075528728606/3DB4DEB2-F761-41D9-A283-E82EDF01315D.gif

[sick ridge]

@small cypress Solar Flare is bugged

LOL

I think this might be cus Halation doesn't have a sun

Lmao

@stiff linden

Look at the funny

XD

[small cypress]

Omg, shiny

[small cypress]

bingo

[proven mason]

Funni pic

[sick ridge]

Only happens with the Beta though

You got a fix in mind?

[simple fiber]

Idk shit about shaders but in a perfect would im pretty sure you can do that in shaders

like handle the lerp in shader where you can get time.deltatime and shit in

[small cypress]

It's because I prepared compat for open cams and the way everything spawns and controlled has been changed I forgot about a small thing during all of this

[small cypress]

Yes of course

[simple fiber]

My dos mod doesn’t have a viable terrain shader rn (or maybe ever(?)

I’ll have to probably re-write the texture per pixel

[small cypress]

You can snatch a shader from the terra mesh tool

Oh wait it's hdrp

[simple fiber]

That’s not dependant on pipeline?

Yeee haha

[small cypress]

I can recompile if you need

[simple fiber]

Should be alright for nows since i can use textures

[small cypress]

There's nothing hdrp dependant

[simple fiber]

If you ever get spare time would love a mod release that just has the runtime terrain to mesh stuff though 😅

[small cypress]

It's already baked in this weather mod

[simple fiber]

Insanely low priority though but might be nice for other mods in the future

yaaa i meant like unbake it but very very low priority

[small cypress]

unbake? Like mesh to terrain?

Ah oh wait you mean separate it in a library

I can move it to my triangle.net fork

[stiff linden]

Whack

[simple fiber]

Yeee

[sick ridge]

@small cypress Can confirm Solar Flare is just broken

same issue happens on Rosie's Haul and it has a sun

[surreal prairie]

Wanted to pop in and say with the newest update I noticed landing on moons were a bit of a struggle. once I reverted back it was fine again. I think most times we lagged hard on loading we snow weathers.

[sick ridge]

It didn't feel any different for me tonight

Just Solar Flare was broken after the new update

[wise mirage]

are you the creator of derelict and that other moon?

I just noticed both of their weathers are in lethal elements

So I was wondering if you was the same mod creator

[green sleet]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/v0xx

[sick ridge]

Btw @small cypress Relating to the bugs with Solar Flare after the new update, I had a client unable to speak over vc unless they opened their settings menu and I suspect that was cus of LethalElements

But not certain

[wise mirage]

Thank you. I was just curious.

[indigo hollow]

Heatwave effect remains in spectate

01940228-ca4a-6965-9519-cf9dfc67e257

[wise mirage]

did you use a gloomy capsule?

[indigo hollow]

No

I don't even have them enabled, in-fact

[night widget]

rosie's moons use a fancy sun effect that's different from the vanilla sun and directly on the skybox i think

[proven mason]

Iirc @plucky yarrow is using physics sky

[surreal prairie]

Everyone in my lobby felt it. With the newest version everyone felt longer than normal landing and some almost crashed. We reverted back and it was fine.

[main zealot]

I think I did notice some stutteriness and lag when landing a few times while i was playing last night but i was like "eh it's probably fine sometimes scuff happens it's inevitable"

But I don't have any previous experience with your pack to compare it to so idk

[surreal prairie]

We've been playing it for about 3 days or so and stutter on landing is obviously normal but this was more than the normal. Not sure if it was the change with the snow in the latest update 🤔 I feel it was snow weather's that caused the biggest lag spike. Will run some more tests again soon.

[main zealot]

interesting

[slender lintel]

There should be a number of config options to increase performance, some of which are switched on by default. I'd recommend everyone use the same options if everyone's having trouble with it

Perhaps it could also be the size of the modpack? Not positive, I'm not a coder

[night widget]

i get massive lag spikes when trying to land on a blizzard moon

also crouching into snow makes it seem to think you're not in snow

and i can't carve out paths in snow for some reason, even with a shovel

also the "don't look under the snow" filter pops up sometimes even when i'm standing outside of it

the radioactive waste on fission-c gets frozen over

the snow footsteps seem kinda broken now, i have opaque snow on but the footsteps are transparent and let you see through the snow and terrain through them

enemies and players slightly float on frozen water

[sick ridge]

@surreal prairie It's possible your lag issues might be from Toxic Smog getting added cus I know I turned that off last night

[surreal prairie]

@sick ridge Another reporting the same as me. Its the blizzard. Was running some solo tests with a different version of my pack that i'm making and its better but still noticable. Blizzard seems to be the hardest performance hitting weather to land on.

[sick ridge]

I always noticed lag with Blizzard

[surreal prairie]

-_-

[sick ridge]

but it didn't feel any different last night compared to before

[night widget]

landed on a moon with toxic smog, didn't have nearly the same lag as blizzard

it has a MASSIVE lag spike between everything generating and the ship doors opening

[sick ridge]

That's why I don't understand why you're saying the previous version is better I don't recall anything with Blizzard changing in the latest version

But maybe it did?

[surreal prairie]

The latest update made it feel worse.

[night widget]

the lag spike did not exist for me before the latest version

[surreal prairie]

Multiple people reported almost crashing in my lobby

Lunxara you also have a good pc some of my players dont

[night widget]

toxic smog generates inside, unsure if this is intentional?

[surreal prairie]

I think it was. but not certain

[sick ridge]

It is yeah

[sick ridge]

I get that but I was playing with people last night that's all, granted not as many as usual cus it was Christmas ofc

[vital lotus]

Interesting

[sick ridge]

It's meant to work as the same as foggy on Derelict does lol

So not really that interesting XD

[vital lotus]

ye but indoors too

[sick ridge]

It's always been indoors on that moon

[vital lotus]

i dont recall it going indoors on derelict from the weather

only in small patches

[sick ridge]

That's what it does

[vital lotus]

Ah

[sick ridge]

It's the same

Ye

@surreal prairie The performance issues I bet are cus of the Improved Snow Overlay Visuals

Those are the 3 main changes for Blizzard and Snowfall

[surreal prairie]

yep thats what i mentioned earlier

[surreal prairie]

@sick ridge

[sick ridge]

Yeah I would imagine it's the visual change, the bug fixes shouldn't be that expensive

[indigo hollow]

What

the

fuck

The Solar Flare's aurora borealis on ||Idiosyn|| turns a piss yellow, and manifests below the player whenever you're on the autopilot ship's deck/flying with a jetpack

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[sick ridge]

I've already reported this problem it happens on every moon with it rn

Just disable Solar Flare for now

it's broken

[indigo hollow]

Can I just rollback to a version that it isn't broken in instead?

[sick ridge]

You can rollback to the previous version yeah

[indigo hollow]

Coolio, thanks

[sick ridge]

Which is recommended rn anyways

Cus Blizzard performs really bad on the current build

[indigo hollow]

I was just asking because I remember rain particles in WeatherRegistry being broken in almost every recent build of it, and was wondering if that was also happening here

[quasi quartz]

hop off my goat aurora borealis

[indigo hollow]

What

[quasi quartz]

(it's not the aurora it's the sun ray geyser thingy)

[small cypress]

I'll check, thx

[small cypress]

i didn't touch this part, so if it was working before, then not from my side

[sick ridge]

It's been a bit glitchy lately as a whole, Pepsiman for example has been joining with the wrong mic and has to correct it

by opening settings

once he opens settings it fixes

Idk why

[small cypress]

The new lag during loading is due to the fact that i have to rebake navmesh to make enemies walk on ice, it's not exclusive to blizzard. This is most notable on big moons, cause it basically does it twice in a row (first one is vanilla), i'll make a patch for that.

[sick ridge]

Ahhhhh

Why is the fps lower during Blizzard in general though with the new update?

Also the wind audio can be really loud

like ear blaringly loud

please fix that

v.v

[small cypress]

i don't touch any voice settings, i only apply an audio filter and you'd hear something in this case

[sick ridge]

Okay

[small cypress]

nothing changed, it's still the same. as for the visual improvement that you suspected before, i just changed noise scale in the shader, this won't cause anything

[sick ridge]

Got ya

[small cypress]

yes

[night widget]

vanilla doesn't almost crash the game when it regenerates the navmesh

[small cypress]

blizzard performance decrease is due to these waves, they have a lot of particles. Supposedly vfx graph is capable of handling millions of them, but for some reason is having hiccups with less than 100k. I reduced it a bit now and simplified the visual effect

[worthy zinc]

can someone tell me why the monitor is just blank since i downloaded this mod

now it's just this

[small cypress]

If you read carefully you'd see i wrote that it is happening twice in a row + reshaping the entire level on top of that. It's not crashing but it makes it take around 15 seconds, maybe on bad PCs it takes longer so windows just thinks the app is ded, but you just need to wait.

[worthy zinc]

nevermind

it's not this mod actually

[small cypress]

i don't change anything there

ah ok, nice

[indigo hollow]

How would it not be from your side?

[worthy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/the-joker-joker-home-depot-dan-hentschel-anxiety-gif-13433539561638117999

[indigo hollow]

You changed something that borked it

[small cypress]

waves or blizzard itself?

[night widget]

why would lethal elements be messing with voice settings??????

[small cypress]

i didnt tho

if we are talking about lunx' voice problems

[night widget]

probably one of the other five billion mods in lunxara's pack

[small cypress]

visual bug with flare - yes

[indigo hollow]

Oh ok

I misunderstood then

[night widget]

never really had that big of a performance issue with the level meshing

[sick ridge]

The Blizzard wind when it gets stronger

Just sounds like someone blowing into their mic constantly

[small cypress]

i don't understand which one are you refering to. one sound comes from those sweeping waves and another is constantly on a loop when you are outside

[small cypress]

good for you

ok, new version is up

[small cypress]

that is normal, it is marked as water there

[sick ridge]

Maybe the constant loop one

It gets louder after you go inside the facility then outside I feel like

[small cypress]

opaque material is not fully supported yet, i just left it there from testing

[small cypress]

this is normal due to the way material is rendered, it will change

[small cypress]

the volume is constant everywhere

[sudden arrow]

My ears got destroyed when I was in the ship during a blizzard too once

[vital kettle]

I love the volume

I feel like a blizzard irl

Would completely disorientate and deafen you

Makes communication with other players harder

On that train of thought

A weather that muffles your voice could be pretty cool

Like smog

[indigo hollow]

It doesn't need to destroy your eardrums, personally

[cold dragon]

honestly if it's too loud right now, make other sounds quieter instead of loudening the blizzard

to keep the same effect

[indigo hollow]

I agree

[vital kettle]

Oh that’s clever

Yeah do that

[vital kettle]

Okay I now have a concept

Smog weather

Could be essentially a mix between foggy and blackout except playable

You can’t see past the smog

It muffles your voice

And it sorta keeps an orb of vision around you

[cold dragon]

"playable" is an optional part 🤭

[vital kettle]

Kinda like how blindness in Minecraft works

Or literally exactly like that

Except the smog should be grey

[cold dragon]

that was my first iteration of Blackout tbh

i'll save that for later

[vital kettle]

Good way of reviving that concept as a different weather

Potentially

[vital kettle]

I just like the idea of it muffling voices

[sudden arrow]

Vision impairing weathers lowkey suck tho 😭

[vital kettle]

Being able to navigate and see close things is manageable

It’s more so the part where

Your friends could go ahead

[cold dragon]

and that's why i opted for something that didn't make flashlights unusable

[vital kettle]

You hear a muffled scream

And they get yanked into the abyss by an eyeless dog

You essentially wouldn’t be able to hear eyeless dogs

[sudden arrow]

Yeah blackout is still funny

Vanilla fog sucks tho

[vital kettle]

Or baboon hawks

[sudden arrow]

Thats why I use betterfog

[cold dragon]

weathertweaks changes how the fog looks 👀

[vital kettle]

I like weather tweaks fog

[sudden arrow]

Oh it does?

[vital kettle]

Reminds me of that was scene form
Jp3

[cold dragon]

yeah, i'm using an override for vanilla fog

since i've had some issues with it

[sudden arrow]

I also use betterfog to be able to see moons like titan in all its glory

[vital kettle]

This on adamance with fog and a baboon hawk coming across the bridge

[cold dragon]

oh dear

[indigo hollow]

Oh deer

[vital kettle]

Oh deeyah

[spice axle]

thats pretty high

[small cypress]

You can achieve this with a custom pass, let me know if you need help

[spice axle]

a small thing ive found is that forest giants can still see you when youre crouch in the snow

[small cypress]

Ok, the consensus here is that these sounds are indeed loud... I personally don't see it like this, maybe cuz I always play at 20% volume lol, but I'll make a config option for you guys.

[small cypress]

Ye, this is not avoidable unfortunately 😖

[spice axle]

https://tenor.com/view/disappear-gif-26453041

[small cypress]

I mean you also leave a trail so hypothetically they see something is funky

[spice axle]

fair

[small cypress]

Can somebody confirm that the solar flare visuals work ok now and the stutter from ice rebake is reduced? I won't have a computer this weekend, so if there are still critical bugs I can try tackling them today.

I tested it myself and it seems to work, but still...

Also fyi, if you turn on debug logs you can see exactly how much time each step of the scene rebuilding is taking.

[fiery siren]

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/jmXNgY8bcFZ4LEjrC?invite=cr-MSx2eEcsMTc4ODI2MDc0LA

the modded moons here do get a bit quirky at snowfall

[sudden arrow]

terminal gal mentioned??

also wth

[night widget]

went to adamance on snowfall, some of the particles were going extremely fast and i couldn't hear my footsteps. i also wasn't slowed down by snow

[night widget]

went to eden, the main entrance is covered by terrain so it should probably be in the mesh blacklist. also, after jumping off the ship i was slowed down by snow, but after getting back on the ship and walking off i wasn't slowed down anymore

jumped into a big pile of snow, stuck slowed down even outside of snow and on the ship until i jumped

[indigo hollow]

Ruh roh lmao

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[small cypress]

Could you please send a log or a mod list? There can be several reasons for this behaviour, unfortunately
This appears to be some kind of conflict because it works alright for me.

[small cypress]

Thank you, I'll check what's up

[small cypress]

As for eden - if the ground is pretty close to the topmost object snow can appear from below due to precision errors. This is possible to fix, but this would make loading times even longer...

[small cypress]

Will check, thank you!

[night widget]

no, it's like summit. the main entrance is a cave, with a hole cut in the terrain. with the terrain regenerated, the terrain is put back, blocking the way

[small cypress]

aaah, ok, i'll add it to the defaults, nice find 👍

[night widget]

01940ad6-6b82-9348-9a62-316307283c77
better description of snow behavior:
when jumping into snow, i am slowed down. after walking out of the snow, i'm still slowed down.
after jumping out of snow, i am no longer slowed down. after walking back into snow, i am still not slowed down

it was originally on a much larger pack but i was able to recreate it fine on a very small pack

[small cypress]

did you teleport with imperium at any point? it breaks some stuff with custom weathers, checking just in case

[night widget]

no, but just incase i'll try disabling imperium and doing it again

[small cypress]

no imperium itself works ok, i'm testing with it too

[night widget]

welp. seems to work fine after disabling imperium

[small cypress]

wat
i also use it and didn't have problems, hmmm

aaah

maybe you have silent footsteps enabled?

[night widget]

oh i think i did

Muted or whatever it was

[small cypress]

i check what you step on right before it plays a footstep sound, so it will disable this altogether

[small cypress]

yeee

[night widget]

does that also explain the broken speed stuff?

[small cypress]

yes

i calculate everything in the footstep method to avoid doing it every frame

[night widget]

also is it possible to make blizzard use the same values as snowfall for time to full snow? i like snowfall's slow start but don't use snowfall

[small cypress]

flicker just had to be added to the mesh processing blacklist, it works ok in this case, i'll add it to the defaults

[night widget]

also also, would setting min/max wave count to 99 break anything? don't want the chilling waves to be limited

[small cypress]

i can add it to the config

[night widget]

would be epic

[small cypress]

it shouldn't, but it will stop the wind from changing direction

as soon as the first wave starts

usually they alternate

[night widget]

what value would keep that?

[small cypress]

so basically, if you want neverending waves, but still allow wind to change, you need to set the number of waves to a small number, but wave interval also to a small number. In this case as soon as wave sequence is completed, it will pick randomly either to change the wind or start another wave sequence and so on

[hexed sinew]

what are the bugs in the new version

the beta

@small cypress

[small cypress]

the most critical ones are in readme

[hexed sinew]

k

[small cypress]

This pack uses an old version that had bugged solar flare, after updating it, i couldn't replicate the issue

[indigo hollow]

I accidentally sent the code as I was downgrading LE

But that's interesting

I'll reinstall the current version and see if it tweaks out again

[still owl]

@small cypress why is ur snow fucky wucky on my scene

https://www.twitch.tv/lunxara/clip/BoldNurturingMetalTF2John-AwFymMqXlbqFmObG

It's just a fog volume

in fact i didnt even touch any of the volumes, these are all copied from the vanilla titan scene

so again whats going on here lol

wrong layer?

[sick ridge]

Ah so it's just an issue with the current Beta then

Got it

lol

[fiery siren]

after that the game crashed

[small cypress]

This cannot crash the game (afaik), also this is not an error or anything, more for me to know what's going on.

[fiery siren]

okay so heres what happened

we hopped onto solar flare vacuity

all fine and dandy

then when i got to the ship and opened a gift

bam

game crashed

and the last thing it printed out was that

[small cypress]

Then it's something from the gift most likely

[fiery siren]

we dont even have stuff for the gift??

its weird

[small cypress]

If there's something wrong during execution of this method the worst it can do is freeze your radar map

[wise mirage]

I know the discussion is somewhere else but like the new Toxic Smog weather was very stuttery for me and my friend

like actually laggy a bit

Just a heads up, I didn't know if it was normal or not

[small cypress]

It doesn't add anything resource intensive so most likely not from it, if you use derelict moon and it works ok then it's something else. The code is just copied from there

[wise mirage]

hmm, it was that collation moon with the loot bugs. It took forever for us to even land

Though it could be this loadstone mod I haven't update

It only happened on a smog weather tho

[small cypress]

I can check later, but during profiling I didn't see anything or if the ordinary. If it happens consistently let me know, I'd understand if blizzard or snow would lag but this really shouldn't

[wise mirage]

I will! And thank you for the awesome weathers 🫡

[vital kettle]

my game gets stuck in ship in motion when taking off from a solar flare moon

agh

[slender lintel]

I don't think that was the case for me somehow but I should double check. Perhaps a mod incompatibility

[vital kettle]

yeah thats what im thinkin

01941e72-34cc-0f99-ef78-c8eae5fbb80d this ma code

[indigo hollow]

Weird bug

01941ffc-1423-8233-ac60-9d01332eb491

Despite having my min and max heatwave stroke times set to 40 and 80, I'm immediately sent to max in under ten seconds after landing

Rolling back to v1.2.50 fixes this issue

[small cypress]

Thank you, will check what's up

[small cypress]

The log says it is caused by central config, I also don't touch the method where the error has occurred, so not sure.

[vital kettle]

i mean I have some of your weathers

configured in central config

so makes sense

mbmb

and ty

[small cypress]

The error seems to be caused by something related to enemy shuffling in central config

idk if it's even weather related, may be just a coincidence

[vital kettle]

probably

[small cypress]

Oh sorry, I forgot to reply with all the new year stuff, this is probably due to insufficient depth map resolution and the edge of the concrete block being smudged for VFX. I'll check what's up

[slender lintel]

Sorry for the ping, but I remember you posted about a terrain tool of sorts, and I can't seem to remember where that is. I'm thinking about making a moon, and I'd like to be sure it's compatible with this mod (and otherwise well made/closer to vanilla moons)

[small cypress]

no problem, here you go https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1303914349533990983

Also check the last pinned message here, it should have more info

[slender lintel]

Thank you

[pastel roost]

a lot of people suggest acid rain, but if you happen to add it I think you should pull the quicksand gimmick from vanilla rain and make it do damage if you step in it
I think most people just suggest damage buildup from being in rain and then scrap value changing, but for flavor purposes having "acid quicksand" would be neat

[fallow ginkgo]

you should add a variation of stormy that makes it rain frogs instead

https://tenor.com/view/cell-think-dbz-dbs-perfect-gif-9943214

[fallow canyon]

If we're talking suggestions:

• Strong Winds - "Windy" is taken, but essentially the wind effect that's already a part of Blizzard with maybe a subtle visual to replace the blowing snow
• Sandstorm - Desert moon variation of Strong Winds, so the pushing effect + maybe a more intense DustCloud like effect to obscure vision

[small cypress]

I will be making my own take on the windy weather, since Xu didn't mind this💨🍃
But first I want to fix the remaining bugs and polish the existing weathers by implementing some of the previous suggestions.

[gilded python]

i had an idea for a windy weather, but instead of it actually pushing you, it essentially muffles all noise outside

since normally when it's windy, it's hard to hear anything besides the wind itself

[small cypress]

It will probably both push and muffle sounds

• rare localized wind gusts that can push much further

[fallow canyon]

I don't suppose it's possible to... "push" sound?

like it's harder to hear people depending on if you're upwind of them

[gilded python]

it'll be funny to see someone get ganked by a earth laviathan nearby because they can't hear it's growl good enough

[small cypress]

also occasional tornados, but it's self explanatory

[fallow canyon]

imagine the stealth applications though

[proven mason]

I’d rather have tornados as events but thats just me

^ like vanilla meteor shower

[fallow canyon]

yeah ^^

[small cypress]

I wanna make it an event specific to windy weather

So it is not guaranteed to happen

[gilded python]

like dogs also being affected by it?

[fallow canyon]

of course

[gilded python]

that'd be pretty neat honestly

[fallow canyon]

again, just speculating, no idea if this is possible from a coding perspective

[proven mason]

Yeah that makes total sense

[small cypress]

It's possible, but at first glance this will not be performance friendly so idk

[fallow canyon]

ah

[small cypress]

I'll check it after everything else is done

[small cypress]

They are already affected during blizzard btw

[gilded python]

oh really?

[small cypress]

Their hearing threshold is reduced

So sometimes sounds that would usually trigger them - won't

[gentle willow]

So should i already use the beta or the new features are bugged

?

[proven mason]

You can probably use beta, havent seen any major issues recently tho performance is probably gonna tank a bit

[gentle willow]

Oh oke

[still owl]

jojo reference

[fallow ginkgo]

poison dart frog rain 🥰

[proven mason]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-reference-cat-resisting-urge-jojos-bizarre-adventure-gif-24722300

[vital kettle]

Weather that turns you into a snail

[slender lintel]

I did have a couple ideas for weathers, though I wanna think more about how they could work mechanically before I make the suggestions. Wanna make sure they don't reuse anything unique to existing weathers (such as quicksand, lighting, etc) but visual stuff like rain I think would be fine. I'll reply to this message when I think I'm onto something

[slender lintel]

Alright, idk if it's been suggested before, but here's my one idea because the other felt kinda weird

Hail

(Or hailstorm/hailing, I just didn't want it to sound redundant with "Stormy")

Main characteristic:

• Destructive

Most common on forest and snowy moons, hail would be a fairly devastating weather - which in real life could cause moderate surface damage, but I felt this effect may need to be exaggerated for lethal company. I wanted this to feel more impactful than just damaging the player in small increments, because that would just be unfair. So instead, I came to the wild thought, "maybe larger hail stones could destroy destructible terrain?"

Perhaps most of pellet particles would be purely visual for atmosphere, like the rain in rainy/stormy/flooded weathers. Then on top of that, the occasional giant cluster would come down like a really small meteor, though much quicker acting. These clusters, as mentioned above, could destroy terrain such as trees (and maybe only trees, come to think of it) and even damage the player and outdoor entities as well.

Make of it what you will, I'm open to ideas

[fiery siren]

FIRST MODDED EVENT

YEAHHHHHHH

https://tenor.com/view/clock-dance-clock-dance-it's-time-for-the-itft-gif-1527358667858399734

[wise mirage]

this isn't the first modded event lmao

[small cypress]

Hmm, this sounds interesting, but what would make it distinct gameplay wise from a normal meteor shower? 🤔

[slender lintel]

That was kind of a concern in the back of my head lol, it really does function quite similar to the meteor shower. So I wonder then, if instead of blowing up trees... it would be possible to make the ground more slippery?

Not sure how it would turn out gameplay wise besides making cliffs/lakes more of a hazard, but at least I think this icey take should be more unique

[fiery siren]

tell me what is it then

[wise mirage]

It would be the first WEATHER event

but not event in general

I know a few mods that have custom events

[still swan]

Could make noise when you are slipping, getting you killed by dogs. Or you could slip into the hands of a giant

Would be annoying, but maybe larger hail pieces could make you drop items? Or lose stamina

[fiery siren]

fair enough i guess

[wise mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/bert-sesame-street-man-fainting-falling-faint-puppet-faints-gif-18818014

[fiery siren]

?

[slender lintel]

Yeah I was mainly going for slippery ground physics, could even depend on the weight you're carrying. Could be used to your advantage or work against you depending on the situation

It might not be worth looking into after all lol, who knows

[sick ridge]

@small cypress Just wanted to let you know I think Solar Flare has some networking issues that affect clients, I had a client earlier that said they got a lag spike everytime the lights flickered from Solar Flare inside the interior but for me as Host it was fine

Maybe too many rpc's are hitting clients when it happens or something idk

[small cypress]

@sick ridge hmm, it doesn't use networking tho
it's synced via predetermined time intervals

i'll check what could be the reason, but honestly it doesn't do much, it just triggers a vanilla animation

[sick ridge]

Yeah not sure what was happening lol

Maybe it was a reaction with the Bozoros Interior

[green sleet]

Vanilla meteors were in the mix

[sick ridge]

Yeah

[opaque otter]

imagine if the meteors were reskinned in bozoros

what would replace the meteor

[green sleet]

Not sure, would be pretty neat though lol

I could also increase chance for vanilla meteor showers

[opaque otter]

would that conflict with mods that customize meteor shower chances?

[green sleet]

No clue! lol

Depends on at which point they modify meteor shower chances

Probably won't mess with chances on Bozoros but it could be interesting to have a perma meteor shower moon in an asteroid field or something (ideally with the warning message disabled 💀)

[fallow ginkgo]

asteroid 13 but hell

scratch that, asteroid 13 but even more hellish

[mortal quiver]

asteroid 14

the bee one

lmaoo

[proven mason]

duckstroid 13 my beloved is forgotten

[green sleet]

meteors are beehives falling from the sky 💀

[mortal quiver]

The snow piling up over time is really cool

Definitely adds some interesting gameplay

[small cypress]

I posted a small update that should fix a bunch of annoyances, in the next one i also wanna change how snow looks like (less blue and glowy). the problem with collision on titan is not fully resolved yet tho D:

[still owl]

the last two things are something I'd really like to see be resolved

i thought the titan thing was something i messed up at first :P

[small cypress]

it's very weird, it seems like the visual effect sees the edge of the building offset by a certain amount and i'm totally stumped as to why. it might be a bug on unity side cus i found something similar before D:

[still owl]

Hm?

I dont think thats whats happening

im pretty sure its just colliding with the fog volume

[small cypress]

no i tested in game, it moves with the wall if i rebake the depth buffer afterwards (and disappers when i disable the building altogether), and it also only extends up to a certain length

[still owl]

thats some fucked up shit

is it just because the building is so viscerally huge

im trying to think of ways i could temporarily circumvent it in #1308174824505479290 since i am replacing titans scene already lol

[small cypress]

it's probably not worth doing it yet, this hints at a much bigger problem that is just plainly visible in this case, i'd have to fix it anyway

[small cypress]

idk yet, there's also a thing that teleports particles to loop their positions when player moves and it might somehow contribute to it

[sick ridge]

@small cypress I'm surprised your Mesh processing blacklist just doesn't include all of Rosie and Mae's moons by default 😆

I remember I manually added them all before besides the ones with no terrain ofc cus they all used your TerraMesh lol

[small cypress]

oh, if it's not too much trouble could you send me your list? i wanted to do it myself but always forget cuz i'm too lazy to search who did and who didn't use the tool

[sick ridge]

Vow;Adamance;Affliction;Summit;Eden;Feign;Haul;Ichor;Idiosyn;Soreal;Tunere;Espira;Mazon;Praetor;Rockwell;Calypso;Makron;Flicker;Ultimatum;Baykal

[lapis delta]

is there a way to configure different weather effects? toxic smog is a cool idea but it is kinda unfun imo. the main issue is how frequent the plumes spawn and the fact that they damage you way too quickly. if they behaved like they do in derelict's interior, it would be a lot better. they can do damage and impair vision with enough exposure, but they also increase your stamina like the tzp effect

[small cypress]

Yes, there's a config that allows you to change most of this stuff (except tzp, i'm not readding it)

[lapis delta]

is it just through thunderstore? i didn't see it show up in lethalconfig

[small cypress]

ah no, there's a file in the bepinex config folder. do you use a mod laucher?

[lapis delta]

yea thunderstore

[small cypress]

yup, should be there then

[lapis delta]

alr thanks

[lapis delta]

oh btw i wasnt talking about the most recent version
i just now saw that you updated it
toxic smog is a lot more balanced as is now

[scarlet mango]

Set up some compatibility with these weathers on my moon earlier and I must say they're really cool. Haven't seen all of them nor have I really played through them, just kind of made sure stuff worked.

Something funny on one of my moons (Phuket) I noticed (and it's on my end more than yours) was that with the water frozen over since one of the fire exits is half submerged if you come out and crouch you clip below the ice. Same thing with some ladders that are in the water for if you fall in. Hopping on the ladder puts you just below the ice collision lol. No real harm in it since you can get out and gameplay wise being at the bottom of the river doesn't really serve any purpose. Just a funny edge case I doubt many will discover but I found amusing.

Also, same moon has a lot of quicksand and snow covering the quicksand is evil but I kind of love it!

[dapper glen]

Is there any chance that snowfall has any references to blizzard in its code? (this is weird so bear with me) I have BetterFog set up to apply different presets based on weather, and it can recognize LethalElements Beta weathers properly for the most part. I was testing a planet with Snowfall (weatherregistry recognizes the weather as Snowfall, but BetterFog recognized it as Blizzard and applied the blizzard preset. I don't know what would be causing it as every other source sees Snowfall and Blizzard as separate, but I thought i'd let you know

[dapper glen]

ok nevermind

what i had before was after landing on that same planet with blizzard the day before

on a new save landing immediately with snowfall it seems to recognize correctly

[small cypress]

It depends on how detection is coded in that mod. But generally Blizzard is coded as a type of Snowfall and inherits all of its logic + adds some on top of it. I think most of the mods just check the names of each weather which ARE different, but if it checks for a class type it can confuse blizzard with a snowfall (but not the other way around).

[small cypress]

oh well 🤭

[small cypress]

Yeah, it's not ideal, but unfortunately since it's automatic there will be some edge cases. In your case it can be fixed from your side if you raise the teleport point by 1 on each door that appears submerged.

[scarlet mango]

Yeah but then I think when there’s not ice it might be weird coming out. Doesn’t really matter. Just thought it was funny. Kind of looks like you’re frozen in the ice.

[spice axle]

how come the only moon that doesnt get snowfall and blizzard is assurance in the normal configs?

[small cypress]

hot

you can turn it back on, just wanted to make offense a bit more distinct

[still owl]

i would have also put offense in that list personally since its literally the same map but understandable

[small cypress]

I just liked a snowy desert look and thought I could leave one there

[still owl]

what does it look like :V

i am a bit curious

[spice axle]

how do i turn assurance back onto snowfall and blizzard again i forgot

[small cypress]

It's a bit of an old pic, but it's basically the same

although this is assurance 🤭

[small cypress]

In the weather registry's weights

[slender lintel]

Lowkey this makes assurance look more like a mountain moon, that's pretty fire

[spice axle]

what under in blizzard and snowfall?

[small cypress]

I'm not at my computer, so I can't say exactly, but basically for every weather there's a list of levels that act as a blacklist or a whitelist (to understand which one is it check "filtering option" in the same place) you need to modify that

[spice axle]

ok thx

[night widget]

why's terramesh a mod on thunderstore now?

[small cypress]

It's for mod devs, not the same as the editor version

[quasi quartz]

does Snowfall have Frostbite?

[small cypress]

when you're buried in snow, yes

[quasi quartz]

ah

[still owl]

im confused

why are there two now

[simple fiber]

For dos company it might be better for me to convert terrain to mesh so instead of that being built into lethal elements it’s now more general

[still owl]

do any custom moons use unity terrain?

doesnt that break post processing

[simple fiber]

a majority do

[still owl]

well thats stinky

again doesnt it break w/ post processing

[simple fiber]

Yes

[simple fiber]

the one vanilla uses is paid so

[still owl]

ah

i didna know that

yeah ok that makes more sense then

i assumed it was just neglect from moon creators

[simple fiber]

yaa naurr

[slender lintel]

I'm actually still kinda confused about the terramesh tool tbh. Is it a special kind of mesh, or does it literally convert unity terrain into a mesh instance?

In other words, if I were to import my own mesh from blender, would that be the same as using terramesh to convert unity terrain?

[still owl]

yes

it converts unity terrain into mesh im pretty sure

thats all it is

[slender lintel]

Oh, so in that case I could just use blender since I'm more familiar with it? 🤔 or would that cause clipping through the ground

Sorry, you can probably tell I've never worked in unity

Perhaps I should just mess around in it and answer my own questions

[still owl]

honestly

no yeah?

you can just use blender lol

i did my terrain through blender sculpting, works great ingame

just make sure to check read/write when importing your terrain mesh

or it wont generate a navmesh

[small cypress]

It exists solely to convert unity terrain into meshes because half the stuff in unity is bugged while using instanced terrain. It can also perform mesh cleaning/ "beautification" to get nicer topology and offers tools to modify them at runtime.

You can use blender to create your mesh of course, but just so you know, if you go too overboard with decimation or create bad topology (like ngons or super thin triangles) there might be visual glitches during snowy weather.

[slender lintel]

Ahhhh I see, I'll be sure to look out for that. Thank you both for the info 🫡

[scarlet mango]

Question, is there a major benefit to blacklist moons in meshProcessingBlacklist? If so, since I used TerraMesh on my moons (other than Starship-13 as it's just a cube floor) would it be too much to get them thrown in the default list along with some of the other modded moons that are there?

[small cypress]

yes, it will speed up loading during landing. Just give me the list of moons and I'll add them

[scarlet mango]

Valiance
Tundaria
Phuket
Rorm
Timbrance
Torus
Natit

That should be all of them that use it. Thanks!

[still owl]

wait so voxx

where can i find the editor version of terramesh?

[small cypress]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1303914349533990983

use package manager to install from github

[small cypress]

making a moon?

[still owl]

teehee

[sick ridge]

@small cypress Please make it so Blizzard weather doesn't block Ladder climbing ty

it gets annoying

lol

Especially on moons like Titan

[small cypress]

It blocks only when you're very cold

[sick ridge]

Yeah which for some reason that has been kicking in way faster after the recent update

lol

[small cypress]

It just works correctly now

I can add a config I guess

[sick ridge]

@small cypress btw I think Winter Lodge might be terra-meshed but you'll need to double check lol

[serene geyser]

so uhh, not sure if thats either the maps fault, or smth up with the mod

so far only found this bug here, on Quasara

Blizzard crashes the game

thats snowfall on the image

same thing on another moon, ill check some more to see if thats a moon thing or if smths up

uhhhhhhhhhhh

thats on, Tunere

here's the log

okay now im on Glen, this time naturally spawned Snowfall, seems fine

i gotta admit, the ones above i spawned using Imperium lol

[serene geyser]

._.

Snowfall on Ferangdalion causes the, whole floor/ground to just, disappear. Again, spawned via Imperium as im testing stuff. That might be the issue, idk

nothing in the logs

[small cypress]

Yeah if you change the weather manually or spawn it via unusual means it will cause these bugs

[small cypress]

You need to add it to the moonProcessingBlacklist in the config

[still owl]

Generally assume imperium will create errors going forward

[small cypress]

all of the above will be fixed in the new version + there will be a simple snow melting animation if the transition happens mid-round

[serene geyser]

Gotcha 🤙🗿🤙

[serene geyser]

Nice

[serene geyser]

Btw, why did that happen? Like, why did the whole ground just vanished lol

[lapis delta]

is it intended behavior for the blizzard wind to prevent ladder climbing?
i was testing a new exterior mod for titan, and i had blizzard weather. it was preventing me from climbing to main so i had to go to the stairwell at fire

[icy fossil]

Is yours updated? I think this was fixed a while back unless it somehow snuck itself back in.

Bugs do like to reappear sometimes so not totally out of the question but worth checking imo.

[lapis delta]

yup

most recent version

[icy fossil]

Were you host or client? I remember when the ladder bug existed it didn't effect me as host but my friend who was the client couldn't do anything.

[lapis delta]

host bc im just testing things solo rn

i hope i dont have a bunch of client issues lol

[small cypress]

this was a bug at first, but now it happens only when you're at maximum frostbite effect

ALTHOUGH i did an oopsie and accidentaly applied temperature reduction speed (which is higher) from snowfall for blizzard as well so you get cold way faster than supposed to.

[summer mist]

if you look at the blacklist for the tornado's... so much shit i put in there because any slight pull breaks an interaction

lol

[small cypress]

zeekerss' code is truly amazing

[summer mist]

i have something like that somewhere too, just gotta be done sometimes

[small cypress]

i still hate the fact that when you get moved out of a trigger collider by a teleporter without crossing the edge it doesn't run OnTriggerExit

[summer mist]

yea

gotta rely on OnTriggerEnter checking last physics update

OnTriggerStay*

or something completely different

[small cypress]

i just reset at the end of LateUpdate

[summer mist]

yeah that makes sense

i think i reset on end of FixedUpdate

iirc the order is OnTriggerStay --> FixedUpdate or the other way around

its been a hot second since i checked

[small cypress]

yeah, i don't remember as well 🤭

[summer mist]

somethign you do once nad never look at again

[still owl]

hey voxx

do you know if its possible to convert terrain meshes back to unity terrain somehow

ive never dabbled with that

[summer mist]

you want to convert back? why?

[still owl]

nah

i wanna modify vanilla terrain in a healthier way :P

unity terrain does stuff in like a perfect square grid and while blender sculpting works it stretches stuff out

and im worried about it acting funky with this mod as a result

like idk if this matters too much but it probably isnt the best

[small cypress]

this mod doesn't need a perfectly square grid, but you need to avoid creating thin and long triangles OR disproportionally big ones

[small cypress]

it's possible in theory yeah

but is harder than the other way around, exactly because of that non uniform grid on meshes

[still owl]

i should probably just, test this

with the mod

ive never actually seen how it works out

[small cypress]

if it's like in the pic, it's totally fine

[still owl]

yeah

let me look at my adamance terrain too

[small cypress]

i also have "beautification" algorithm included to fix any bad topology

[still owl]

oh this is actually a lot cleaner than i thought lol

[still owl]

this kinda feels ugly though

like i doubt anyone would care but i dont like how the texture looks there

im gonna try to redo it a bit

[small cypress]

the bad thing for your case is that the splatmap is a static texture so everything moves with the vertices too D:

[still owl]

ye

[small cypress]

but i don't see any problem on your pics

[still owl]

i just have to be careful

well

the texture just kinda stretches weirdly

[small cypress]

i actually meant something like this (left side)

[still owl]

what the fuck

[small cypress]

assurance

offense too

you haven't seen experimentation

it's actually fucked up in vanilla game

[still owl]

wait so

lethalelements beautifies the meshes?

[small cypress]

if you look at the edges between sides and top of the hills there you can notice that textures kinda jump wildly

[small cypress]

yes, select few moons

where zeekers modified terrain in blender

[still owl]

why not dynamically just do it to all moons

[summer mist]

you've looked at offense and assurance quite a lot havent you

do you know why we can double jump on them

[small cypress]

because it's not perfect and on some custom moons and causes glitches D:
also it's just unnecessary work for most moons cause snow will work as is anyway

[small cypress]

WHAT

idk

another weird thing about them is that OutOfBoundsTerrain overlaps with the normal one, but this cannot be the reason for this?

[summer mist]

yeah only the desert moons lol

[small cypress]

maybe this has something to do with collision detection? coincidentally only desert moons have this problem

[summer mist]

could be, it's only possible on any sort of incline

so i assume it detects you still on ground via local player checks

[lapis delta]

is there a way to fix that on my end in the meantime? like through the config?

[small cypress]

i will post a hotfix now

[lapis delta]

alr thank you
also still having some issues with the toxic smog poison. i lowered the number of them that could spawn in cfg and its still spawning them in front of entrances like this. and so it insta-poisons you when you go through the door

[sick ridge]

Toxic Smog as a weather is so buggy compared to how it works on Derelict I noticed

[frail prism]

Adding to this, it seems going out the exit while inside a toxic cloud keeps you poisoned forever

[small cypress]

i know this is already in a fix

[small cypress]

report them

[sick ridge]

It was mostly like the screenshots

It just having more coverage than it should inside

[small cypress]

there's config for dat

[sick ridge]

I wasn't sure if it was intended or not tbh

[small cypress]

that's why it's in beta, i unfortunately don't have enough time to play it properly so balancing is very guesstimated

[lapis delta]

i just tuned the damage and spawnrate down quite a lot for mine, 5 damage at tick and 1 second interval is insane, especially if you get caves lol

[sick ridge]

Very fair lol

[small cypress]

i am waiting for responses and tweak defaults based on this

[lapis delta]

i set the damage to 2 and interval to 3 for now

[small cypress]

i changed it as well

its 4 every 2

[sick ridge]

Defaults prolly should be the same as how it is on Derelict

[small cypress]

now at least

[lapis delta]

but thank you for the cfg options

[sick ridge]

Also whenever you get around to updating your moons again

[small cypress]

but people complained about that (and multiple ones) D:

[sick ridge]

is Arcadia supposed to spawn a shit ton of dogs later in the day?

I don't remember it doing that in the past

But everytime I play on it now it's just dog hell in the later parts of the day

lol

[sick ridge]

I'm surprised I always felt like it was balanced on there cus the clouds were small

[small cypress]

they are still the same size 👀

exactly the same prefab

[sick ridge]

🤔

[small cypress]

the last time i changed the spawn curves was in July lol

[sick ridge]

Yeah I was gonna say it's possible game updates just messed with it

XD

[lapis delta]

i felt like they just appeared a lot less but i didnt really play the moon that much

it wasnt working nicely with lq for some reason

[small cypress]

it's true that there are less of them

[lapis delta]

idk if i brainfarted while tweaking it or what

[small cypress]

on derelict

[lapis delta]

ye

like, it was desynced between host and client. same interior type, different seed/layout

[small cypress]

but i thought they aren't a threat in that amount considering there's a scrap multiplier for this weather

[small cypress]

what

[lapis delta]

oh i was talking about the issue i had with lethal quantities

probably something i messed up on

[small cypress]

ah ok, i got scared for a sec

ok the hotfix is live, but i guess it will appear in an hour on thunderstore

quite an important thing: i consider moons to have a good mesh by default (yay, so optimistic), cuz the blacklist grew to an enormous size and i actually know about problems only on select vanilla moons, so this part of the config will be reset for everyone

[frail prism]

Gotta be the colors, Derelict's clouds are smoother and less imposing on my experience

[small cypress]

again, same asset 🤭

they do look different based on lighting, so there will be subtle differences between moons i suppose

[small cypress]

please let me know if fumes still spawn right in front of entrances, i tweaked something in the new version

[lapis delta]

yep gotcha

[thorny badge]

are there any weather multiplier mods that are compatible with this mod?

[quasi quartz]

WeatherRegistry

(This has it as a dependency)

[still owl]

snowfall is beautiful but its too blue

i wanna look into it a bit

[small cypress]

Yeah, it's gonna be tweaked. The problem is that making it actually white also makes it blinding on moons that aren't dark by default. In vanilla every snow moon basically has no sunlight, so the ground looks fine, if you apply it on assurance for example then your eyes will burn D:

[summer mist]

discord added lethal elements???

[small cypress]

they stole my work!!1

[night widget]

consider: blow up the sun