unless he left the vertices and just added a new face
#Lethal Performance & DiFFoZ Tweaks & BepInEx Faster Load AssetBundles Patcher
molten light
LMAO
polar willow
yikes, this is probably because of casting
because my caching is returning NetworkBehaviour array to the mod, so if casting used it will throw null ref
polar willow
0.0.128 pushed
- Fixed NRE with Locker mod.
- Removed misc changes with entrance teleport as it may cause some desync.
Decided to only do the caching stuff with entrance teleport
molten light
What kind of desyncs did you run into? In my limited testing I've done while working on my pack redo it's been fine but I haven't done anything extensive
Somehow I never had a Locker spawn to see that hilarious bug though that was peak
polar willow
I didn't run into any desyncs, but decided for the safety to remove that part of the code
entrance teleport stuff is really strange
everything is depends on timing and etc
molten light
Fair lol
polar willow
didn't generate gungeon in 10-15s - here the broken entrance teleport ids
molten light
Ah lovely
molten light
Hmmm @polar willow Any idea what this is from?
It was throwing every frame
It could have been Moon related since I was testing Kanie
molten light
Yeah probably
polar willow
norway Yet Another Optimization Mod (YAOM) is made
https://canary.discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1358776359278739640
vestal nimbus
damn, that would've been a good name
grim vortex
norway Yet Another Optimization Mod (YAOM) is made
https://canary.discord.com/ch...
damn you beat me to it
polar willow
vestal nimbus
thorny gazelle
damn, that would've been a good name
It doesn't have Xu in it :[
vestal nimbus
true
stark marlin
fallen ember
it's up on the cat-hub:
https://github.com/mattymatty97/LTC_EntranceTeleportOptimizations
molten light
https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01JAQK37P4K3FG0GVZQBVFRXJS/4x.webp
So we're unable to get Multiplayer to work right now, have you succesfully hosted a lobby with pre-release 0.0.128?
polar willow
Clients just can't join LobbyControl screams network mismatch
network mismatch is from unity networking stuff
polar willow
@molten light try to enable networking logging in lethalfixes config
by setting log level to 1 (developer)
azure beacon
1 is normal, 0 is developer
lunxara is aware of that
polar willow
Doing some benchmarking
First image is with experimental rendering. UI camera is using custom render to only render UI, but sadly it causing post-processing to not work due to injection point of custom render (that's why UI is not that vibrant) and there is downscaling used by 50%, so 1080->720.
Second image is with default branch and LCUltrawide mod with 720 height.
Still not sure about adding experimental rendering to the mod.
hm, let me try instead with making game cpu-bound instead
robust dock
I'm surprised that it seems to be GPU bound according to your overlay actually, I find that it's CPU bound on my machine but I'm not sure what hardware it takes to make it GPU bound
HDRP does a ton of work on the CPU when rendering a camera
this looks like a very decent improvement! you could always leave this as an opt in feature
edited because my brain was half awake and I forgot to check your stats in the screenshots lol
polar willow
I have pushed experimental (0.0.129) with mono JIT configuration to enable all optimizations, expect of aggressive inlining.
polar willow
I'm surprised that it seems to be GPU bound according to your overlay actually, ...
it's probably GPU bound here, because of no enemies spawned
probably if I had enabled enemy spawning then it would make it cpu bound instead
argh
fallen ember
🙃
polar willow
TIL you can get pointer of managed object and do a lot of unsafe stuff
it's probably only works in mono environment, because of non moving GC memory
fallen ember
nint?
polar willow
it's IntPtr
fallen ember
have you seen the wacky unsafe stuff zaggy had to do for PathfindingLib?
or his use of pointers in the ILInjector. we love wacky unsafes in c#
robust dock
yeee I was also looking into reverse engineering NavMeshPath to inject a path from the off-main-thread pathfinding directly into an agent
never fully did it though, but I had the start and end and corners mapped iirc
as far as taking pointers to managed stuff I've done some more silly mode here 
https://github.com/Zaggy1024/LC_PathfindingLagFix/blob/08de408e1003cf9b11ee9a22991e2cddef7f6a00/PathfindingLagFix/Patches/PatchBlobAI.cs#L103
https://github.com/Zaggy1024/LC_PathfindingLagFix/blob/08de408e1003cf9b11ee9a22991e2cddef7f6a00/PathfindingLagFix/Utilities/IL/ILMatcher.cs#L15-L19
https://github.com/Zaggy1024/LC_PathfindingLagFix/blob/08de408e1003cf9b11ee9a22991e2cddef7f6a00/PathfindingLagFix/Utilities/IL/ILMatcher.cs#L199-L216
wait wrong one
https://github.com/Zaggy1024/LC_PathfindingLagFix/blob/08de408e1003cf9b11ee9a22991e2cddef7f6a00/PathfindingLagFix/Patches/PatchBlobAI.cs#L138
https://github.com/Zaggy1024/LC_PathfindingLagFix/blob/08de408e1003cf9b11ee9a22991e2cddef7f6a00/PathfindingLagFix/Utilities/IL/ILMatcher.cs#L21-L28
https://github.com/Zaggy1024/LC_PathfindingLagFix/blob/08de408e1003cf9b11ee9a22991e2cddef7f6a00/PathfindingLagFix/Utilities/IL/ILMatcher.cs#L218-L230
these ones
polar willow
polar willow
probably would be better to do this for now...
molten light
probably would be better to do this for now...
Oh yeah so you can push a stable update I agree
It's worth getting it out to everyone
honest oxide
probably would be better to do this for now...
this seems like a good method to just get the update out
at least until the interior makers and mapimprovements get their networking sorted
fallen ember
it's up on the cat-hub:
<https://github.com/mattymatty97/LTC_EntranceTeleportOpt...
i take that you do not have comments on this 🤔
if so i might release it in Beta
molten light
Yeah that's what I was saying lol
molten light
i take that you do not have comments on this 🤔
if so i might release it in Bet...
How you doing Matty?
iRL stuff any better?
fallen ember
not really. it's all unfolding. hopefully it all ends by sunday :/
molten light
I hope things get better
fallen ember
i take that you do not have comments on this 🤔
if so i might release it in Bet...
Entrance Teleport Optimizations is out
mod thread: https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1360176633847349348
molten light
@polar willow Any differences between what your mod is doing and what Matty's is doing?
polar willow
matty optimizes game methods of searching & caching entrances. My mod is doing caching only, but that caching is also works for other mods that requests entrances search
fallen ember
i could definitely do the same you did and patch FindObjectsByType & FindObjectsOfType too
but it's not fully in scope atm
honest oxide
Do you think you would release stable on this mod since matty's solution for caching seems to not affect unspawned networkobject?
polar willow
yes, but I need to add logging and then stable release will ready
fallen ember
well at least wait for my mod to hit stable first 🤣
polar willow
molten light
well at least wait for my mod to hit stable first 🤣
I mean your mod seems to already be pretty stable from the sound of things lol
fallen ember
aka. 3 people tested it on 1 moon each so it should be stable
molten light
I added it to my pack so if it explodes I'll let you know
I won't be playing today but I will be tomorrow
fallen ember
i could definitely do the same you did and patch `FindObjectsByType` & `FindObje...
i have found myself in a circular issue when trying this XD.
you use prefix cancel but never check if another prefix has already canceled the method before you
so i find myself unable to patch it because :
if i run my code before yours - then you run after me and replace my result
if i run my code after yours - you do the work anyways and there is no point for mine to do anything
polar willow
you use prefix cancel but never check if another prefix has already canceled the...
that's why I hate HarmonyX
idk why it made run all prefixes even if one of them cancel the execution
fallen ember
it's a good thing for normal prefixes that are there to react to a call and not modify the result. it's a small inconvenience for us that want to actively edit the call 😅
polar willow
[1.1.0] 2025-04-12
Note: some mods are causing some entrance teleports to not be found. Tracking issue: https://github.com/DiFFoZ/LethalPerformance/issues/15
Added
- Caching of many networked objects (EntranceTeleport, VehicleController, Landmine, etc).
- Caching of moon objects (ItemDropship, RuntimeDungeon).
- Enable all optimizations of Mono JIT, expect of aggressive inlining.
- Warning tip if entrance teleport are broken by some mod.
fuck it pushing to the stable version
honest oxide
i think this mod is calling entranceteleport mismatch when it is networked correctly
it gave me the warning about entranceteleport in one case
but the interior was Sub Systems
which does have a properly setup network object for entranceteleport
(and that interior worked with 0.0.129)
polar willow
i'll look into
@honest oxide cannot repro with sub systems interior
probably some mod is doing something, like MapImprovements
[1.1.1] 2025-04-12
Added
- Check for internal flag from HarmonyX for better mod compatibility.
fallen ember
honest oxide
probably some mod is doing something, like MapImprovements
It probably was
Issue happened on experimentation which had MI extra fire exit
fallen ember
as you've already done it before, do you see any issue with this patch?
UnityObjectPatch.cs
polar willow
as you've already done it before, do you see any issue with this patch?
[UnityOb...
include inactive checks for is active
fallen ember
lel i forgot a negation
polar willow
and probably there is another problem
with the casting
double check that casting your array to entrance teleport array won't return null
fallen ember
i was wondering that. sometimes the IDE was giving me a warning on the ToArray call but other this way it was chilling
should i just use a Select and cast each element explicitly?
polar willow
probably make your GetFilteredTeleports return entranceteleport enumerable instead
so toarray call will sure make it as entrance teleport array
fallen ember
ik using Linq is not the most efficient but there is so much filtering i have to do i'm usure if it's worth writing an explicit loop
polar willow
are you using force-push??
fallen ember
so toarray call will sure make it as entrance teleport array
but then i cannot cast it to a array when i assign it to the __return
fallen ember
are you using force-push??
i only did for that ! i forgot. for bigger changes i do proper commits
as i was saying ide does not really like the implicit cast:
still allows me to build
i guess i could do GetFilteredTeleports(includeInactive).ToArray<Object>(); but this is probably the same as the previous cast 🤔
polar willow
yes, that will be the same
polar willow
as i was saying ide does not really like the implicit cast:
it's probably rider just doesn't have enough context here
but it safe to cast it
fallen ember
🤷 supress warning go brr i guess
polar willow
maybe it decided that unity object type is the system object type??
fallen ember
now the big question then 🙃.
is it worth for me to run before you and bypass your cache or maybe i should let you handle the cache if your mod is present?
polar willow
probably just run before
thorny gazelle
probably just run before
Hello!
Is it normal that the cache entrance error text box is still active even if I have the thingy disabled?
thorny gazelle
if it is, is it possible to disable it :,]
polar willow
sadly but no
honest oxide
is vehicle caching causing this? where enemies don't get hurt by the car?
polar willow
cant say sure
molten light
is vehicle caching causing this? where enemies don't get hurt by the car?
Probably, I noticed this happening too recently
Either that or one of the updates for Mel's Cruiser
vestal nimbus
is vehicle caching causing this? where enemies don't get hurt by the car?
That's probably me if you have rexuvination tbh
I'll look at the vehicle code later to check
honest oxide
Oh is it
vestal nimbus
Forgot that enemies can be killed by vehicles
honest oxide
I do have it
Did you like remove a component that checks against the cruiser collider
vestal nimbus
I reduce what layers enemies can get touched by to reduce calls, but sometimes its unclear which ones they do normally by vanilla lmao
vestal nimbus
Did you like remove a component that checks against the cruiser collider
Nah there's no component like that, just physics trigger collisions
honest oxide
Ok
So it would just be adding the cruiser's layer to the list that enemies read from
vestal nimbus
Yeah pretty much that
I need to ask @fallen ember about preloader stuff to patch player physics regions later so I'll add the vehicle layer with that if I can figure that out soon
fallen ember
vestal nimbus
<:tilted_head:1341494167674556436>
i gotta add an onenable and ondisable method to player physics regions
or well, just an onenable
thorny gazelle
sadly but no
No what :']
fallen ember
does it inherit from something that has one of thoose methods?
polar willow
No what :']
no not possible to disable that warning tip
vestal nimbus
does it inherit from something that has one of thoose methods?
it's a monobehaviour, PlayerPhysicsRegion, but it doesnt use OnEnable itself
thorny gazelle
no not possible to disable that warning tip
gotcha :,]
The only mod that I have from that list is MapImprovements.
Is there a way for them to fix that issue?
rugged basin
I got the entrance is not connected(?) something in
moon assurance
interior rrajigar mines (demonmae unreal interior)
i have mapimprovements mod disabled on that time
this time got this in
moon The iris (demonmae moon I think)
interior vehicle hangar (I think)
polar willow
demonmae stuff should be fine, but I can look into that
rugged basin
i also have matty's entrance mod if that matters
polar willow
would be nice to also get modpack code
polar willow
i also have matty's entrance mod if that matters
matty's entrance mod doesn't cause any issues
rugged basin
would be nice to also get modpack code
01962a68-d2d3-2f0f-3e48-ec590f216a49
i have a mod there randomize the moon on lever pull you can disable that first
polar willow
i have a mod there randomize the moon on lever pull you can disable that first
looks like it's because of fire exit in the ship
iirc it's Melanie's Ulitity Furniture
thorny gazelle
yup
polar willow
the entrance here is not spawned because of nested network object
[Error : Unity Log] Spawning NetworkObjects with nested NetworkObjects is only supported for scene objects. Child NetworkObjects will not be spawned over the network!
oki i'll disable that for the mean time
honest oxide
gotcha :,]
The only mod that I have from that list is MapImprovements.
Is there ...
They've already been told how to network the new fire exits correctly
Alternatively you can disable this mods entranceteleport caching and use matty's mod
Which doesn't do the same blocking entrances if they're not correctly networked
thorny gazelle
Alternatively you can disable this mods entranceteleport caching and use matty's...
I did that
but the red text box still appears
thorny gazelle
I understand, for now I will have to uninstall MapImprovements it until they can fix it if there is no way to disable the text box :,]
honest oxide
Honestly it's not that big of a deal imo
Though I have ti check in on how they're progressing with thay
polar willow
well you have 3 options
- Ignore that warning tip, but with matty's entrance fixer mod installed;
- Use pre-release version of LP that didn't have that warning tip;
- Uninstall those mods that are causing this tip to show
worthy fulcrum
@polar willow lethalperformance is causing interior desyncs to happen if you load in game with the mod when host doesnt have it
i downgraded to 1.0.1 and it stopped
at first i wasnt going to report this because i initially downgraded to 1.1.0 and saw there was a config option to disable the cause of it
but that config option doesnt exist in the recent version.. for some reason
i believe my player-prev log was generated with the desyncs
ok
nevermind
i was fucking stupid
the config i was looking at was for 1.0.1
my brain just
completely fucking died
i genuinely feel so fucking braindead right now
molten light
This would be because you have entrance caching and the person without the mod doesn't, I feel like this is a mod that everyone should be required to have anyways personally
Just flip off the caching if playing with people that don't have it
problem solved
worthy fulcrum
yeah i play publics
most people there wouldnt have it lol
ok nvm it still is happening
config option off
molten light
Weird
hybrid flame
Ok, so here is a strange one but if anyone has time please look into it:
I have reason to believe that the more recent updates of Lethal Performance (definetely 1.1.1, but I think 1.1.0 is also affected) is causing item an duplication bug (The bug in question is a bit finicky to reproduce). But I noticed it first in one of my modpacks and through a lot of trial and error am pretty sure it must be your mod (yes, I also tested outside of the modpack right after and was able to reproduce it. So I'm sure it's not a compatibility thing).
About how I produced the duplication bug:
Basically, I created a save, landed, bought a couple normal flashlights, placed them in the red cupboard (important, if you just "g" drop them in the ship it doesn't happen for whatever reason), took off again, exited and reloaded the save once in orbit and after reopening the save file in question I was then able to pick up 3 flashlights from at least 1 of the ones I had deposited the next time I picked them up (it won't be obvious from looking at them that there are more, because position and rotation will be the same, try picking them up. Also, only one of the ones placed will be affected in all the cases I tested). This seemingly happens with other items as well, but if there are multiple ones, the bug appears more frequently on normal flashlights for whatever reason so I only tested it with those.
worthy fulcrum
Ok, so here is a strange one but if anyone has time please look into it:
I have...
just now had this happen with shovels
polar willow
ok nvm it still is happening
welp host decided that there is should be entrance teleport, but your client doesn't think about that
polar willow
Ok, so here is a strange one but if anyone has time please look into it:
I have...
I think I know how to repro 100%. I'll try to fix it
worthy fulcrum
welp host decided that there is should be entrance teleport, but your client doe...
yeah but
i had the config option off
so it shouldnt happen
polar willow
yeah but
i had the config option off
that config will not do anything, when the host ask you to spawn entrance teleport here
it could be host is having a mod that changes fire exit count
worthy fulcrum
this was happening in vanilla games on public lobbies
multiple random people hosting i dont know and dont have any major server sided mods
polar willow
LadderTrigger is disabled! Netcode for GameObjects does not support spawning disabled NetworkBehaviours! The InteractTrigger component was skipped during spawn!
LadderTrigger is disabled! Netcode for GameObjects does not support spawning disabled NetworkBehaviours! The InteractTrigger component was skipped during spawn!
EntranceTeleportB is disabled! Netcode for GameObjects does not support spawning disabled NetworkBehaviours! The InteractTrigger component was skipped during spawn!
EntranceTeleportB is disabled! Netcode for GameObjects does not support spawning disabled NetworkBehaviours! The EntranceTeleport component was skipped during spawn!
EntranceTeleportA is disabled! Netcode for GameObjects does not support spawning disabled NetworkBehaviours! The InteractTrigger component was skipped during spawn!
EntranceTeleportA is disabled! Netcode for GameObjects does not support spawning disabled NetworkBehaviours! The EntranceTeleport component was skipped during spawn!
...
[Warning:Buttery Fixes] EntranceTeleport.FindExitPoint() was called before RoundManager.SetExitIDs(), which is very likely to cause problems. Either a mod is doing this or you are experiencing excessive load times
looks like something disabling entrance teleport objects
causing you have less entrance teleport to spawn
worthy fulcrum
suppose just butteryfixes conflict then
polar willow
no, buttery fixes is logging about fire exit mismatch
worthy fulcrum
oh
polar willow
but before something is happening with entrance teleport on the moon scene
some mod disables them
worthy fulcrum
i dont have mattys recent release of entranceteleportoptimizations
waiting for that to be out of betatest
polar willow
let me analyze your mods
worthy fulcrum
sure, one sec
polar willow
do you remember the moon name that does have this effect?
worthy fulcrum
do you remember the moon name that does have this effect?
it was multiple
happened on experimentation, assurance, offense, and rend
01962d86-912e-2bb6-0e2a-d3362cbdcaba
here is my vanilla+ profile
everything that is disabled was in said disabled state when i generated the log you looked through
polar willow
I think host does have some mods
I see a lot of exception with inventory stuff, so probably host is using ReservedItemSlots or HotBarPlus
polar willow
```
LadderTrigger is disabled! Netcode for GameObjects does not support spawning...
also, about this, it's company moon do have disabled behaviours
worthy fulcrum
I see a lot of exception with inventory stuff, so probably host is using Reserve...
i joined like 5 lobbies in that log (the chance of all 5 hosts having that would be very low)
polar willow
but it should not cause any issues, but why buttery prints about fire exit thing
worthy fulcrum
but why would that cause it anyways
honest oxide
is that bad
polar willow
it doesn't cause any issues, because of force aes encryption
but I currently debugging duplicating of tools and decided to not encrypt files
and now I noticed that my patched method is not called
polar willow
[1.1.2] 2025-04-13
Fixed
- Item duplication on lobby save [Thanks Kestrel16C].
polar willow
[Error :DiFFoZTweaks] AudioReverbTrigger contains null AudioSource. Please report it to the moon developer
AudioReverbTrigger scene path: /Systems/AudioReverbPresets/OutsideShipAmbience
I wanted to confirm that I'm also seeing this, I was testing adding LethalPerformance client-side to help with performance and saw interior desync on some seeds
I wanna say it happened the most on Mineshaft, but I'm not sure since most of our testing was with the seed locked to make sure that we could find a fix. Seems like it's probably not interior-dependent since it happened on some modded interiors. All moons were vanilla.
I'm assuming it's related to the entrance teleport caching? But I haven't been able to test with that disabled yet
might be nice to compare the results of the cached list vs the result that Unity gives to see where it's going wrong? could it be something with the execution order of Instantiate, Awake, OnEnable, Start?
this was with LethalLevelLoader, so it's possible the desync is related to the fire exit count being inconsistent between the host and clients? but it seems strange for that to be the case
vestal nimbus
ok nvm it still is happening
@robust dock i saw this on lumin's stream earlier too, though i dont know what mods she used
polar willow
might be nice to compare the results of the cached list vs the result that Unity...
something goes wrong in dungeon generation
and only for client
host spawned entrance teleport trigger, but client thinks is not supposed to be here
could be seed desync or entrance teleport prop count mismatch
robust dock
<@193574164639121409> i saw this on lumin's stream earlier too, though i dont kn...
I have the code in case it's needed, but I think this is probably reproducible with just LLL+LethalPerformance with LethalPerformance disabled on one side
robust dock
could be seed desync or entrance teleport prop count mismatch
I'm thinking it's unlikely to be seed desync, but unfortunately I didn't clip when the desync happened on stream, I could go looking for a specific moment so we can see if the seed showed up the same
agile oyster
yeah i play publics
LLL prevents joining vanilla lobbies and this issue was replicating in pubs
so I'm not sure it's a factor here
possibly a catalyst
robust dock
ahh true, that's interesting then
open plover
DiFFoZ: Lethal
polar willow
DiFFoZTweaks
1.3.0
- Added log and exception handler of null AudioSource in AudioReverbTrigger.
Log example: #1253705079605956640 message
dull quarry
could be seed desync or entrance teleport prop count mismatch
Won’t be this
Bleh
Won’t be the teleporter prop count
polar willow
I'll probably ignore this for now, until we get more info about this
dull quarry
I'll probably ignore this for now, until we get more info about this
You don’t auto swap out oftypes to bytypes or anything do you
arctic ether
round kindle
hello! im having some problems with LP and Wesley's moons
at least on Gratar the screen gets entirely black
besides the scan and interact text
when i leave it goes back to normal
worthy fulcrum
I wanted to confirm that I'm also seeing this, I was testing adding LethalPerfor...
just to add some more onto this
interior desyncs are just there, the moon it was on means nothing, the interior that generates means nothing, it is able to happen on every moon, on every interior
i experienced the majorty of my desyncs on factory
but that doesnt mean anything
it was just because i got factory the most that session
i probably should have said this when diffoz asked me what moons this happened
fluid thorn
at least on Gratar the screen gets entirely black
Anything in logs?
round kindle
round kindle
Anything in logs?
im sorry i dont know how to read logs
fluid thorn
If you're using a mod manager you should be able to go to settings -> copy log to clipboard, and paste it here
def a weird issue. Don't know how these mods would be related and breaking in this way...
round kindle
If you're using a mod manager you should be able to go to settings -> copy log t...
i use gale :3
but i cant find it 
round kindle
def a weird issue. Don't know how these mods would be related and breaking in th...
ye, but i tested with just the two
i guess smth in an update broke
it only happens on gratar tho (at least that i know, i havent been to all)
round kindle
If you're using a mod manager you should be able to go to settings -> copy log t...
is it this?
simple panther
but i cant find it <:perceive:1208563314842533918>
it's under File
simple panther
or, you can go to open profile folder
then into the bepinex folder
and the log will the LogOutput.log file
round kindle
this?
fluid thorn
Yeah, can confirm
I didn't see much, but I'll look more
From yours and mine if I quit while on the moon I think I see this pop up, though I don't know if it's involved.
[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
PlayerPhysicsRegion.OnDestroy () (at <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_0033)
When I took off I do seem to be hit with
[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
AudioReverbTrigger.ChangeAudioReverbForPlayer (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB pScript) (at <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_02EA)
(wrapper dynamic-method) AudioReverbTrigger.DMD<AudioReverbTrigger::OnTriggerStay>(AudioReverbTrigger,UnityEngine.Collider)
[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
AudioReverbTrigger.ChangeAudioReverbForPlayer (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB pScript) (at <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_02EA)
(wrapper dynamic-method) AudioReverbTrigger.DMD<AudioReverbTrigger::OnTriggerStay>(AudioReverbTrigger,UnityEngine.Collider)
[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
AudioReverbTrigger.ChangeAudioReverbForPlayer (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB pScript) (at <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_02EA)
(wrapper dynamic-method) AudioReverbTrigger.DMD<AudioReverbTrigger::OnTriggerStay>(AudioReverbTrigger,UnityEngine.Collider)
Possibly involved but I am not sure it's the cause as these seem to happen after quitting or during takeoff. So it to me suggests something quieter happens earlier.
fair fiber
Which version is okay to use currently?
worthy fulcrum
1.0.1 shouldnt have any recently reported issues
fair fiber
Thank you 🙏
uneven meadow
at least on Gratar the screen gets entirely black
i found this out the hard way... after setting up a lot of configs to sorta fit the theme of gratar using this interior 😔
the issue was pretty obvious though after freecamming, the interior is in the moon instead of under (at least, the main entrance is), probably darkened cause it thinks you're in the interior when you're not
robust dock
Won’t be the teleporter prop count
wait why couldn't it be that? does it send the count over the network?
dull quarry
wait why couldn't it be that? does it send the count over the network?
no but without LLL it shouldn’t change at all and with LLL it’s just based on findobjectoftype count so no mods that don’t depend on LLL and/or don’t create a network compatibility should be changing how many entrance instances are in the scene
robust dock
LethalPerformance patches FindObjectsOfType
so if you depend on that on each client, then the count may vary if there is an issue in the caching
not saying that's the issue, but it seems plausible to me
dull quarry
The caching in concept worries me slightly in regards to some stuff in basegame/other mods relying in the consistent order of the hierarchy but I assume those must be working
(Hence why i was worried about if oftype was changing to bytype or anything)
robust dock
in theory that's fixable if there's an issue with that, but it would be a bit unfortunate if it was needed
ideally the sorting is done on the user end if it's necessary
polar willow
no but without LLL it shouldn’t change at all and with LLL it’s just based on fi...
you don't use findobjectsoftype for entrance teleport
LLL just gets all entrances from the scene root gameobjects
dull quarry
Iirc the basegame did somewhere but i could be mistaken
polar willow
huh, looks like camera just decided to not render at all
polar willow
Iirc the basegame did somewhere but i could be mistaken
basegame doesn't change fire exit count, so no
polar willow
the only thing I can think of is burst assembly is not loaded properly
round kindle
the only thing I can think of is burst assembly is not loaded properly
so weird that it only happens on gratar tho...
like what did gratar do 😭
fluid thorn
the only thing I can think of is burst assembly is not loaded properly
As someone who doesn’t really know what that means, is that more likely an LP issue or something Wesley needs to be told about?
polar willow
As someone who doesn’t really know what that means, is that more likely an LP is...
i need to firstly find the method that causing this in LP
and then see, what's going on
vestal nimbus
As someone who doesn’t really know what that means, is that more likely an LP is...
if it helps you can always blame wesley
mellow gyro
thorny gazelle
i use gale :3
polar willow
hm, if I disable Volume component on the moon scene, then it fixes the render
molten light
So is it a Wesley issue that gets revealed from LP caching?
round kindle
ty
it started happening after the last few updates i think
before it worked fine!
round kindle
i just click on the updates when they appears on gales
honest oxide
probably was caused by the extra caching added in 1.1.0
molten light
Probably 0.0.127 or 0.0.128 since those were the 2 that focused on caching almost all network objects
honest oxide
they probably didn't use those
so i assume it started with 1.1.0 which is when they hit stable
round kindle
how do i know if im using an experimental build?
i just downloaded lethalperformance on gale
honest oxide
how do i know if im using an experimental build?
it's version 0.0.120 through 0.0.129
worthy fulcrum
if you just download it and nothing else, you arent using an experimental build
round kindle
if you just download it and nothing else, you arent using an experimental build
ok ty!
round kindle
so do i just downgrade?
honest oxide
you can if you want to
round kindle
you can if you want to
i want to play gratar :3
polar willow
if I disable one of these volumes it fixes the rendering
hmm
lol, apperantly it's because of mono jit changes
molten light
lol, apperantly it's because of mono jit changes
Oh so it was something from 0.0.129
molten light
i want to play gratar :3
Hotfix will likely be releasing soon so I'd just be patient
round kindle
Hotfix will likely be releasing soon so I'd just be patient
yipee!, but in the meantime ill be using 1.0.1 so i can go to gratar
molten light
yipee!, but in the meantime ill be using 1.0.1 so i can go to gratar
You don't need to downgrade that far
Just roll back to previous version
or 0.0.128 if you want all the caching stuff minus the mono jit stuff
round kindle
1.0.1 is the one without the issue
molten light
False
round kindle
but i just tried it :c
molten light
Well actually maybe
fluid thorn
if I disable one of these volumes it fixes the rendering
What even is that top one? As far as I know moons usually only have the 2 in the sun stuff because they’re the day and night.
molten light
1.1.0 added all the new stuff to stable branch
round kindle
i tried1.1.0 and it didnt work, 1.0.1 worked
round kindle
molten light
but theoretically if you wanted all the benefits of current version minus mono jit breaking stuff I would use the 0.0.128 build for now
round kindle
but theoretically if you wanted all the benefits of current version minus mono j...
okkokok ty!
ill stick with 1.0.1 that has been working fine for me and ill hope this is an easy fix!
molten light
It should be since it's just something from mono jit caching behaving strangely with Wesley's Mooons
round kindle
poor gratar my boy didn't deserved this
polar willow
[1.1.3] 2025-04-14
Fixed
- Landing on Gratar moon causing camera to render only some parts of the sky [Thanks ThecheeseXD].
it could be also potential fix for fire exit generation desync
worthy fulcrum
ill find out whenever i can
worthy fulcrum
@polar willow it is fixed
4 vanilla lobbies in a row without it happening, 6 moon lands
round kindle
## [1.1.3] 2025-04-14
### Fixed
- Landing on Gratar moon causing camera to rende...
Yipee!!! Tyty
robust dock
https://github.com/DiFFoZ/LethalPerformance/commit/e61fff41d45746b80eb66e4ddbd84bcf0e0065ed
this is the commit? I'm curious what the optimization flag means, but I'm not finding any obvious documentation on Google
I would've assumed floats would use 32-bit operations by default so I'm not sure what the name is supposed to imply 
round kindle
## [1.1.3] 2025-04-14
### Fixed
- Landing on Gratar moon causing camera to rende...
i can confirm now it works!
i can finally see gratar yipeee!!!
polar willow
polar willow
I would've assumed floats would use 32-bit operations by default so I'm not sure...
yeah, by default in just mono, but unity decided to remove that optimization
and looks like we found the reason why
polar willow
yep
robust dock
and then it truncates I assume?
polar willow
yeeep
round kindle
ok so i got my first blocked entrance, why is that?
polar willow
did you get warning about blocked entrance from lethal performance?
round kindle
yessss
polar willow
then you have a mod that causing this
honest oxide
interior is not set up correctly with networked entranceteleport
polar willow
honest oxide
what interiors do you use
round kindle
what interiors do you use
a trillion billion, but i think i got the sector alpha interior
oh
polar willow
Sector Alpha has also a lot of animated object trigger not networked
round kindle
:c
polar willow
so for some clients it can cause desync in animation
honest oxide
probably the same deal with sector beta drill not syncing
round kindle
sad i just finished making the config for 50 moons with their respective interior weights
was doing it for 4 days
and now this happens :c
honest oxide
you can still use it if you disable entranceteleport caching in lethalperformance and use matty's entranceteleportoptimizations
for some reason matty's mod doesnt block the entrance when theyre incorrectly networked
round kindle
and what does that mean? what does it mean to be incorrectly networked
honest oxide
the networkobject associated to the entranceteleport is not being spawned
so lethalperformance gets confused when trying to grab the entranceteleport from cache, and doesn't know where to put it
round kindle
oh well
so i can either downgrade lethal performance, delete sectoralpha or use matty's optimization
honest oxide
use matty's and disable caching in LP config
LP will still complain about mismatched entranceteleport but it won't block the entrance
round kindle
but the entrance block only happens on those interiors?
and does it also has to do with the moon?
polar willow
and does it also has to do with the moon?
nope
honest oxide
the moons themself don't have that problem
those interiors listed above, and the changes from map improvements that add fire exits, have this issue
round kindle
and is it possible that every entrance gets blocked?
polar willow
and is it possible that every entrance gets blocked?
depending on how bad is interior did, but currently only main is blocked
granite sphinx
At least having the mod say "Entrance Blocked" makes it look like it's a feature and not a bugged thing
polar willow
polar willow
for some reason matty's mod doesnt block the entrance when theyre incorrectly ne...
it's because matty maintains list of entrances, while I depends on only networked list of objects
honest oxide
ah ok
round kindle
At least having the mod say "Entrance Blocked" makes it look like it's a feature...
thats what i was just thinking
if its only the main entrance i think ill just keep it that way
its not a bug its a feature!!
dull quarry
At least having the mod say "Entrance Blocked" makes it look like it's a feature...
That’s a basegame thing btw
It happens when a entrance couldn’t find a matching entrance and vis versa
(Which can be for various reasons)
granite sphinx
Oh
round kindle
i think we have another interior for the blocked entrance list
it happened again but this time in the Mantif Interior
honest oxide
Mantif is really old so I wouldn't be surprised if it had that problem
Though unfortunately wydrop doesn't seem to be active on maintaining it anymore
polar willow
ehh, not sure if it's good thing to patch hdrp code with preloader, but if I do and possibly optimize it, then that would be nice optimization
fallen ember
uh?
polar willow
that would be the last resort for the optimization, as it requires a lot of time
fallen ember
what's the optimization?
polar willow
HDRP cpu side optimization
fallen ember
i'm trying to understand why you would need a preloader for it
only thing preloaders can do that harmony/monomod can't is add stuff
or well.. permanently remove stuff
polar willow
i could do that with harmony, but preloader would be easier to maintain
fallen ember
or well.. **permanently remove** stuff
forgot that it also runs before any unity code so there is that too
robust dock
oh god
patching the render function to do what exactly?
because I patch it in multiple mods since the unity provided events are just not useful enough
would transpilers access this replacement method?
polar willow
currently, no, but probably would be possible
polar willow
hmm, I think we missing yet another suits menu mod
vestal nimbus
where are you putting the menu
polar willow
currently, no, but probably would be possible
and after doing IL copy transpilers are now working
robust dock
ooh nice
out of curiosity, did you check any existing transpilers or just checking that one you wrote could see the method contents?
polar willow
out of curiosity, did you check any existing transpilers or just checking that o...
I just made that my patched method doesn't cause your transpiler to fail
round kindle
ok tomb is also getting the main entrance problem
i think ill do what you told me before
round kindle
does this mod makes other performance optimizations? bc if im disabling this and it doesnt have anything else it would be sad :c
round kindle
so disabling it still appears the entrance popup but it now lets me go in main
is there a way to disable the message?
honest oxide
no
molten light
Interesting, what's the benefit of this over just disabling the mods though? 🤔
polar willow
It's only for modpacks that are not using thunderstore codes
molten light
Ah got ya
polar willow
and checking readme to see this is pain
molten light
I'm curious btw is there any reason why the first boot up of the game after a fresh PC boot/reboot is so slow compared to subsequent boots of the game with faster load btw?
polar willow
because of OS caching
molten light
Yeah true
polar willow
but more aggressive
molten light
Although Linux is likely a bit quicker yeah
polar willow
molten light
Lmao
I'm curious how much quicker boots of the game with faster load are on Linux compared to Windows cus I feel like some of it is probably just NTFS I've tried disabling idk how many mods and I can never get boot times to be under 30s lol which 30s is still really nice tbh
polar willow
it could be also antivirus
molten light
Maybe yeah but I got my Steam Directories excluded
That doesn't mean much ofc
Defender naturally does slow some things down, hell Defender in of itself is so slow to open on 11 24h2 compared to 10 and previous builds
It sometimes takes like 5-6s for the UI to load other times it takes like 2 but that doesn't change the fact that it used to be just instant tbh
vestal nimbus
Linux is also doing that
Not possible linux is an absolute gift from the gods, this must be the fabled windows propaganda ive heard so much about
honest oxide
Not possible linux is an absolute gift from the gods, this must be the fabled wi...
CS students after using Linux for one (1) project:
polar willow
sudo rm -fr /
fallen ember
--no-preserve-root
molten light
@polar willow Are the networking optimizations breaking some things with Dice and NightOfTheLivingMimic? It seems like some of the host specific code stuff refuses to trigger for them but I also get no errors
polar willow
what kind of things are not triggered for client?
molten light
Well for NightOfTheLivingMimic the wsm command isn't working properly, it's spawning stuff in a random location rather than on the player name put in the chat, for Dice the add/remove admin option in the debug menu doesn't appear which runs a ishost check basically
I hope RebalancedMoons isn't still causing jank tbh
lol
honest oxide
I hope RebalancedMoons isn't still causing jank tbh
why would it be rbm
that doesnt really make sense
polar willow
IsHost property could return false if it checked before network behaviour is spawned
for NOTLMnot sure, but I'm not caching players
could be something got changed in your modpack
molten light
why would it be rbm
It touches some networking stuff
So it very well could make sense
Well unless ReXuvination might change how mimics spawn since it optimizes stuff but I doubt that cus it worked fine that day we played without RBM
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Fandovec03/ExperimentalEnemyInteractions/ this might be my other best guess really 🤔 but I don't think it touches masked
round kindle
Rexuvination got some updates recently, that may be related??
vestal nimbus
nothing i change would change how or where masked spawn
molten light
nothing i change would change how or where masked spawn
Yeah didn't believe you touched that
I do know ScienceBird Tweaks updated recently too but idk if it would break something like Twitch commands lol
I'd have to do testing and I usually don't have another player to test with
honest oxide
sciencebird doesn't have anything relating to that iirc
especially not twitchchatapi modifications
molten light
Yeah I didn't think so
molten light
LethalElements appears to be breaking as well
Blizzard and Snowfall aren't working properly
molten light
especially not twitchchatapi modifications
Does Dusted or the stuff for Dust Clouds in ScienceBird Tweaks fuck with LethalElements?
honest oxide
in my experience no to both
honest oxide
i have dust space clouds turned off in sciencebird since WR already handles it
molten light
cus whatever is breaking that is probably the chain for everything else
honest oxide
thick dust clouds and dustcloud noise should be fine
molten light
Yeah cus Snowfall and Blizzard aren't spawning snow
no snow falling from the sky during Snowfall either
Something is fucked
molten light
01964af7-6ddc-1f02-5e7e-e805613fe548 I strongly believe it's Rebalanced Moons cus all these issues started after readding it
honest oxide
i use it as well so i'll be able to check
what moon specifically was the snow not working
molten light
Pandoramus
honest oxide
ah
i don't have that so i'll check on a vanilla moon
snowfall on dine works
particles and mesh
i'll look at ur code
molten light
It's one of the recently updated ones for sure
Pacoito tested in a small profile and Snowfall works fine
honest oxide
is this along the lines of what you get
honest oxide
all i'm seeing here is the snow takes a long time to start forming
unless u set it that way
molten light
Yeah for me it was just broken, if it's working okay on Vanilla Moons then that doesn't lower my suspicions
Since RBM touches networking
Another thing it could be might be Glow Pickies
I've not seen them spawn
honest oxide
i don't use those so i dont know how problematic they are
molten light
Rebalanced Moons
honest oxide
probably not the cause but your hookgenpatcher got reenabled again
jaunty thicket
hey guys i've noticed by doing plenty of tests that Lethal performance breaks the game when you pull the lever to land on a moon, the random seed loading is going on infinite loading, and obiously the game is never launching
honest oxide
I have snow now after disabling RBM
thats weird
i didnt turn off rbm and was able to get the snow on oldred
i think u have something else thats messing up rbm and causing it to do that
molten light
Doubtful
But while I'm at it I'm pulling other stuff
HalloweenElevator for example cus ScienceBird includes it and I have it guaranteed anyways
honest oxide
u should report it to dopa if youre certain thats the issue
just weird that it worked on my end
honest oxide
werent u in singleplayer when testing if it wasnt there
polar willow
hey guys i've noticed by doing plenty of tests that Lethal performance breaks th...
hi, can you send log?
jaunty thicket
Well ibwill send it tomorow i gotta go sleep 😂
molten light
hi, can you send log?
LethalPerformance isn't responsible for dice stuff breaking
@honest oxide Question, do you use ReservedItemSlots or TME?
I noticed they updated recently
polar willow
isn't like dice got updated recently?
molten light
It did yeah but Slayer can't repro it on his end
honest oxide
<@451951281918181377> Question, do you use ReservedItemSlots or TME?
both
molten light
isn't like dice got updated recently?
Interesting thing if I downgrade LethalPerformance to 1.0.1
Looks like PathfindingLagFix is broken
It doesn't error with the new version though
So weird
So the entrance caching stuff is fixing some bug with PathfindingLagFix
XD
vestal nimbus
it's probably 1.0.1 breaking pathfindinglagfix instead rather than lethal performance fixing pathfindinglagfix
molten light
Well 1.0.1 was before caching got added
Meaning it would be going off of vanilla behavior
I had downgraded it when testing if the network caching affected dice which it doesn't
polar willow
Looks like PathfindingLagFix is broken
this is because of old lethal performance doesn't check for harmony flag
molten light
Ah 
polar willow
so if you're using old version then you need to disable entrance teleport optimization
vestal nimbus
@robust dock congrats your mod works on its own with its dependencies, colour me surprised
molten light
Yeah I only needed to roll it back for testing purposes lol
robust dock
well I certainly didn't change the patches there so it would be very odd if it was a bug on my side
all I'm doing is calling FindObjectsOfType and adding it to a list, so the issue would have to be in a patch to that method, not in my code
dunno why that would return null though
molten light
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mattymatty/EntranceTeleportOptimizations/ Maybe something from this?
robust dock
mm
not sure how multiple patches interact but that on its own shouldn't cause any nulls
polar willow
because LP override matty mod to null
robust dock
gotcha
jaunty thicket
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mattymatty/EntranceTeleportOptimizati...
how do you send logs again ? xD
polar willow
meow logs
polar willow
bad bod
polar willow
[1.1.4] 2025-04-19
Fixed
- Snowfall VFX from LethalElements doesn't work.
Mono JIT optimization was removed at all, due to causing issues
honest oxide
rip mono jit
i never really understood what it was doing but now that its gone i guess i dont have to
polar willow
yikes
found out that zekeerss is using old version of facepunch steamworks
that fix was made in 2020, so zekeerss is using really old version
could be that it uses version that unity facepunch transport networking is imported?
polar willow
could be that it uses version that unity facepunch transport networking is impor...
yep
polar willow
Probably no need to fix as zeekerss doesn't use that and instead just pass steam id via server rpc
molten light
## [1.1.4] 2025-04-19
### Fixed
- Snowfall VFX from LethalElements doesn't work.
I knew you would fix it quickly
I'm sorry the Mono JIT stuff ended up being more problematic than it was worth lol I was knocking my head around wondering what was breaking LethalElements hehe that explains why it raised sometimes when I got it on Pandoramus too but then others it didn't do anything. At first I thought it was DiffoZTweaks when you had me test that but the 2nd time I landed it was back to buggy behavior so I was like "nope"
Experimentation was what it consistently broke on
jaunty thicket
i've been looking for meow logs where can i find it ? i didnt found it
crystal pondBOT
i've been looking for meow logs where can i find it ? i didnt found it
Meow meow!
jaunty thicket
polar willow
i've been looking for meow logs where can i find it ? i didnt found it
Settings -> Copy log file contents to clipboard
if you use r2modman
jaunty thicket
hooooo i don't use r2modman
polar willow
then what do you use?
jaunty thicket
i mean i use thunderstore, but i learn about r2modman 4 days ago so 
polar willow
thunderstore should also have that option
jaunty thicket
r2modman is independant from thunderstore or i can find it on the modlist of LC ?
polar willow
wait, you mean thunderstore as platform for hosting mods or mod manager?
so you don't use mod managers?
jaunty thicket
no no i use thunderstore ffor modding LC but i don't know if r2 is a mod or a mod manager
flat spade
r2 is a mod manager
jaunty thicket
well if i don't use r2 i should give my modpack link or there is a way to share logs ?
flat spade
Probably thunderstore mod manager has it in a similar place
If you're using that
r2 and thunderstore share a lot of stuff between them ui-wise to my knowledgew
worthy fulcrum
@polar willow @zinc glade in a friends mod pack, the only recently updated mods are the gray apartments, sciencebird tweaks, and lethalperformance
we are having an issue where mics stop being hearable constantly, for both host and non-host clients, and the only way to fix it is restarting the entire game
im assuming its either lethalperformance or sciencebird tweaks due to them being the only recent updated mods, and the gray apartments doing it doesnt make sense
zinc glade
If it's consistent enough you should be able to eventually narrow it down by disabling mods. I'd be surprised if it's SBT since I don't really touch anything like that at all.
worthy fulcrum
it wasnt happening before, theres not really much to narrow down
but i assume the logs arent showing anything
honest oxide
only thing i can think of is that LP removed the mono JIT optimizations for newest release
so if u didnt have this problem on the LP version before mono JIT then it wouldnt be that
rugged basin
<@246493000732114944> <@233771575550279680> in a friends mod pack, the only rece...
do you have LethalSponge's de dupe audio enabled? I've experienced it with my friends before where one could not hear anyone or I cant hear them when landing to a moon. Dunno if its 100% de dupe audio tho
honest oxide
oh yeah
ideally deduping settings should be off unless someone in the group has a low end graphics card
worthy fulcrum
wtf
hold on
oh yeah
i guess it is that
idk why tf it wasnt happening before
jaunty thicket
welp i don't know what to do there is no log to copy it seems
should i just send the code of my modpack ?
polar willow
then you probably set BepInEx logging to off.
Try then send log from unity, press ctrl shift l in the game and send player-prev.log
jaunty thicket
polar willow
I don't see any errors
jaunty thicket
wth
once i disable lethal perfomance, the ship can land on a moon
gotta check something later this day
if i didnt touch anything in some configs
jaunty thicket
is it in the local file or setting of thunder ?
polar willow
thunderstore
polar willow
send player.log instead
jaunty thicket
jaunty thicket
polar willow
Scene that began loading: Level1Experimentation
...
This client could not find dungeon generator!
isnt lethallevelloader a dungeon generator ?
dark hollow
isnt lethallevelloader a dungeon generator ?
No, it was trying to find an object on the moon
jaunty thicket
so i guess i should disable Lethal performance for now ?
polar willow
can you send me your modpack code?
jaunty thicket
01965309-1004-0e34-91d8-4b952ed50601
polar willow
CruiserCourier mod causing this issue
[1.1.5] 2025-04-20
Fixed
- CruiserCourier mod causing moon object to not be cached.
polar willow
DiFFoZTweaks
1.4.0
- Added ignore plugin loading list option.
- Added logging of SteamNetworkingSockets errors due to unable to send message.
- Added NoNagle to some RPC delivery flags.
Modpack devs are now able to add mods to the ignore list to make some mods to not load
No more readme notice to remove some mod
The only downside is seeing this icon
dark hollow
The only downside is seeing this icon <:greed:1200418319694577754>
why is this downside
worthy fulcrum
Modpack devs are now able to add mods to the ignore list to make some mods to no...
no way
no fucking way
holy shit
thats actually peak
does it like
not work unless the mod you dont want to load is already downloaded
like if i left out a soft dependency of something i dont want people to install, then they do install it, does the list not properly prevent it from not loading, since it was not in the mod pack before
polar willow
Hmm, if they updating modpack mod then probably mod loaders are not removing the cache, so that means it will still load it.
Need testing to see if doing that will prevent from loading
If it still loading even if it's ignored, I could try find another way of ignoring mod loading
worthy fulcrum
can help you with this if youd like
polar willow
sure
worthy fulcrum
ok just pick a random mod with a soft dependency
actually
maybe a better test would be specifically snipers moons
for context
the mod snipers moons itself only adds a secret moon, being "templatemoon"
the rest of his moons are dependencies for it, but are not required to run the game
if i cant join after reinstalling them with all of them in the list, then it doesnt work
thorny gazelle
Modpack devs are now able to add mods to the ignore list to make some mods to no...
what mods are recomended to not load?
polar willow
depends on modpack
e.g. if you want to use self storage mod, but general improvements soft dependency breaks your modpack
worthy fulcrum
this is also good to disable yesfox alongside butterybalance
flat spade
what is nonagle out of curiosity
polar willow
TCP optimization to combine small packets into one, but adds a bit of delay
thorny gazelle
e.g. if you want to use self storage mod, but general improvements soft dependen...
oh, I see
polar willow
for context
the mod snipers moons itself only adds a secret moon, being "templat...
Mods that uses lethalbundle files are not ignored
so that will not work
worthy fulcrum
i see
worthy fulcrum
@polar willow are these two things separate or does the check need to be on
polar willow
check needs to be enabled
worthy fulcrum
check needs to be enabled
ok and
the thing i write in plugins to not load is the exact same as these folder names
yes..?
polar willow
no... plugin guid is not the same as thunderstore guid
I can help you get guids for mods if you send links to them
worthy fulcrum
ill send it just in case
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/WeatherRegistry/
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Dev1A3/YesFox/
just those two
lunar nimbus
Dev1A3.YesFox?
polar willow
mrov.WeatherRegistry
uk.1a3.yesfox
worthy fulcrum
Dev1A3.YesFox?
the examples provided was just for shipwindows and lethalperformance
not all of them are going to be wrote the same
polar willow
most of the time you can get guid by searching plugin_guid in sources tab
polar willow
yesfox is also loading i guess?
polar willow
it should log it if it's loaded
polar willow
YesFox didn't loaded, but weather registry loaded. Did you clear cache folder?
polar willow
ok, could be that weather registry is hard dependency by some mod?
worthy fulcrum
its coderebirth
it shouldnt be a hard dependency
because coderebirths weathers are disableable
ill try clearing cache
polar willow
1 is hard dependency
polar willow
so code rebirth is require it
vestal nimbus
i've kinda wanted to separate weather registry into a soft dependency for some time, i might do it for next update
honest oxide
## DiFFoZTweaks
## 1.4.0
- Added ignore plugin loading list option.
- Added logg...
Oh god
Goated DiFFoZTweak
Now a top 10 mod
vestal nimbus
if diffoztweaks has 100 fans im one of em
if diffoztweaks has 10 fans im one of em
if diffoztweaks has 1 fan it's me
if diffoztweaks has no fans im dead
worthy fulcrum
i am now a fan
i can use butterybalance in my mod pack without worrying about yesfox dependency
honest oxide
u weren't a fan before? smh fake fan
worthy fulcrum
its so peak...
worthy fulcrum
u weren't a fan before? smh fake fan
gonna be real
didnt know what it does
no description on thunderstore doesnt help 🙃
honest oxide
diffoz can only release peak,u shouldve been on diffoztweaks since its inception
jk what it did on releas ewas flash the taskbar when lethal is done loading
and later it got added to limit the amount of MC cosmetics anyone can have
btw whats the guid of hookgenpatcher? wanna disable that since i have autohookgen
stark marlin
can it be swapped without other mods breaking?
honest oxide
can it be swapped without other mods breaking?
autohookgenpatcher does the same thing as hookgenpatcher but just does it better
so nothing breaks if you switch
stark marlin
I see
worthy fulcrum
btw whats the guid of hookgenpatcher? wanna disable that since i have autohookge...
well
if you have something that has it as a hard dependency, then it wont be disabled
as i just recently found out
so in other words
likely you cant disable it
worthy fulcrum
well no
but the purpose of this feature is mod packs
and im assuming youre talking about your own mod pack being publically downloaded
and you dont want idiots not understanding to not install hookgenpatcher
that is interesting theres a better mod than that though
polar willow
btw whats the guid of hookgenpatcher? wanna disable that since i have autohookge...
it's not possible to disable patchers in runtime
honest oxide
that makes sense
polar willow
so just left them as is
stark marlin
is this normal?
honest oxide
patchers always run before plugins anyway right
polar willow
is this normal?
yes, if you didn't clear cache folder
stark marlin
aah alright
honest oxide
and you dont want idiots not understanding to not install hookgenpatcher
its mainly that TS will always add hookgenpatcher because of mod dependencies even when i exclude it from modpack json
and i lay it out in readme to disable it, and just hope they read it
stark marlin
yes, if you didn't clear cache folder
I cleared the cache folder and it appeared again
honest oxide
i'm also assuming this doesn't block things like LLL moon packages from loading
so i'm not gonna try it with that
polar willow
I cleared the cache folder and it appeared again
can you send me modpack code?
worthy fulcrum
and i lay it out in readme to disable it, and just hope they read it
well
stark marlin
can you send me modpack code?
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worthy fulcrum
if you insist on doing this
which i dont recommend
try using customstorylogs to get the point across more
honest oxide
how would CSL help
worthy fulcrum
you can add a completely unmissable custom log at the company
and then people will read it
if it stands out enough
honest oxide
i guess
it's not a major issue since i also include modpack code in changelog that has it disabled
worthy fulcrum
just hope you dont have someone completely reupload your mod pack to thunderstore with the addition of SCP and poppy playtime monsters
polar willow
works fine on my end
@stark marlin Did you actually remove BepInEx cache folder in the profile path?
worthy fulcrum
(im not joking, this genuinely happened to mine)
too bad they didnt realize centralconfig prevented those things from spawning 
stark marlin
works fine on my end
<@132201943174086656> Did you actually remove BepInEx cache...
I clicked these 2 in gale
I have to manually go and delete them?
polar willow
ah those two is for gale mod caching
polar willow
I have to manually go and delete them?
yes
when you change that confg option you need manually delete cache folder in profile
stark marlin
No, you're right, gale deletes the downloads cache
in order to apply alredy downloaded mods to other profiles without having to download them again
stark marlin
oh so it worked for me cause i didnt have yesfox in my mod pack before
yeah, if you didn't have it, it's not on the cache I guess
stark marlin
when you change that confg option you need manually delete cache folder in profi...
it worked, is not there anymore
is there a way you could implement something like <auto-deleting> the cache or something, so my friend group doesn't have to go through the manual cache delete? (they're too many and a bit dumb)
honest oxide
doesnt BFLAP already delete cache if its unused for a while
you could have tweaks tell BFLAP to delete it immediately
polar willow
is there a way you could implement something like <auto-deleting> the cache or s...
it's not needed as modpack should be redownloaded (by that I mean delete old profile, create new and download modpack), so the cache folder would be deleted by that
stark marlin
it's not needed as modpack should be redownloaded (by that I mean delete old pro...
Yeah, but since i have a modpack mod, they use that instead of updating it manually
so i think the cache is not affected
worthy fulcrum
deleting the profile will mean you cant update the mod pack without reuploading it
unless im wrong
polar willow
Yeah, but since i have a modpack mod, they use that instead of updating it manua...
no, updating manually will actually preserve the cache folder
stark marlin
no, updating manually will actually preserve the cache folder
what i mean is that I use this https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/rectorado/RectoradoBasePack/ to add new mods, so they don't have to delete/update the profile
worthy fulcrum
oh wait no i read this wrong at first
polar willow
are your friend just press update button on modpack code or recreating new profile to download update?
worthy fulcrum
diffoz is right
you need to make an entire new profile for mod pack update downloads
or just delete every mod and clear all cache in a profile
but thats the slower option
polar willow
yeah, new profile is better as it will not cause old mods to be still enabled
stark marlin
are your friend just press update button on modpack code or recreating new profi...
they just update the modpack, and any new mods i add to it (as dependency) auto-downloads (it is mostly to streamline the process)
if I delete any, yeah, I'd send them the code
I'll just send them the code next time so it clears the cache
polar willow
yeah, just send them code, so gale would just recreate clean profile
thorn raft
why is bflabp incompatible with introtweaks?
polar willow
because it breaks some mods from loading bundles
thorn raft
because it breaks some mods from loading bundles
oh is that why the planet keeps unloading when i boot up the save file
polar willow
oh is that why the planet keeps unloading when i boot up the save file
uuh, it's actually LLL bug
thorn raft
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/dopadream/LLLHotreloadPatch/
Use this...
i use this
polar willow
then it's probably just hotreloading stuff
thorn raft
then it's probably just hotreloading stuff
huh
oh
introtweaks is hotreloading
thats what you meant right
polar willow
no. IntroTweaks is not hotreloading, is just bad mod
thorn raft
no. IntroTweaks is not hotreloading, is just bad mod
lol
wait which mods are broken anyway
thorn raft
no. IntroTweaks is not hotreloading, is just bad mod
How sould i know if introtweaks is causing issues
Would it be stated in the logs
honest oxide
How sould i know if introtweaks is causing issues
what do you use introtweaks for
if its just to skip wifi/lan select you can try the GeneralImprovements implementation
thorn raft
if its just to skip wifi/lan select you can try the GeneralImprovements implemen...
it fixes morecompany ui
stark marlin
it fixes morecompany ui
does it fix morecompany's final report? it always bothered me having one centered and all the other people on the right instead of having everything centered
thorn raft
does it fix morecompany's final report? it always bothered me having one centere...
I think the menu
stark marlin
oh well
simple panther
I think the menu
what exactly?
stray plover
LethalPerformance Blocks the Main Entrance on Egypt (Mod Moon) although there is no problem with that entrance. Works just fine without the mod
round kindle
LethalPerformance Blocks the Main Entrance on Egypt (Mod Moon) although there is...
Is bc of the interior, there are some interiors that arent networked correctly (i think it was that) so it makes main appear blocked with lethal performance
You can disable the entrace teleport thing on LP config and replace it with matty entrance optimizations
Or disable those interiors
stray plover
ok thanks. but thats not really a performance issue isnt it?
round kindle
Those interiors can have desync problems if im correct
vestal nimbus
i assume it's fine but just incase @polar willow, lethal performance does a fairly big warning 
polar willow
yeah it's fine, I just added them when I was debugging why dungeon component was not caching
vestal nimbus
Okie
keen onyx
Can there be an option to disable this annoying pop-up?
The supposed entrances from Map Improvements aren't even blocked to begin with, and I don't know how to get this pop-up to stop manifesting outside of that
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honest oxide
i've already asked about this and he said he can't add this option
idk why but its always gonna be there
i'm guessing its some weird stuff happening at runtime that doesnt like taking config value to determine if it should send an alert
keen onyx
i've already asked about this and he said he can't add this option
This is bs what
Unless there's divine intervention messing things up when disabled
keen onyx
molten light
Narpy again you really need to work on your attitude towards mod devs
fluid thorn
Was that specifically “no not possible currently” or “no not possible at all”? Because currently, sure, might not be configurable but I’d be surprised if it’s really difficult to make it check a bool to determine if it should send the notification.
I’d personally like to disable it too but I don’t know the code so if it’s really difficult to do that I’ll live.
honest oxide
when i hear not possible i assume at all
but idk
there has to be a reason why it can't be turned off along with the config
zinc glade
I don't have a horse in this race since I've never had the issue, but I tested out of curiosity and I could easily disable the tip via an external patch. @polar willow Is there a reason you need the tip to stay on in particular or is it just annoying to change internally?
agile oyster
i dont think he is trying to say it is difficult to allow the tip to be disabled
zinc glade
yeah I thought the same, which is why im curious what the reason is
agile oyster
i could be misunderstanding but im pretty sure the sentiment is "it's warning you that you are likely to run into an error, and the cause of that *potential error should be fixed instead"
honest oxide
that's a fair assessment
imo it could be that it prints the notification in log (under Error tag) regardless of if the caching is on or not, it would still inform people who need to know without being in your face about it
polar willow
yes, I meant that warning should be not ignored and instead be fixed by the dev that causing this error to happen. This error is really fix if you spawn entrance from the code by calling spawn, and a bit harder for interior dev as it may require registering new networked prefab (if they use custom entrance script, like tartarus).
fluid thorn
imo it could be that it prints the notification in log (under Error tag) regardl...
I like the log approach. Some interiors are likely never going to update or even if they are, in the meantime it would be nice to not have it in your face.
fallen ember
i think the point is exactly for it to be in the face of the user so they will complain. almost nobody looks at the logs if nothing is visibly broken , and some don't even when things are broken
the amount of times i had to ask users to first fix something else because they had litteral thousands of exceptions from other mods, but mine was the only one visibly erroring ingame
round kindle
But maybe making it a config, it comes with the message as default but you can change it to only appear on logs
That would make less experienced users know smth is wrong
fallen ember
so people downloading modpacks will still never see it because the modpack creator disabled the config 🙃.
round kindle
so people downloading modpacks will still never see it because the modpack creat...
Well thats more on the modpack creator's fault
fallen ember
i'm not advocating it's a good idea to have it. just what i belive is the logic on Diffoz part. i'm indifferent with the issue
round kindle
Well thats more on the modpack creator's fault
And i guess if you are having problems with a modpack you should ask the modpack creator first
But idk i havent played with modpacks to know if people just go throwing the errors to the mod creators
fallen ember
yup because the logs say the mod not the modpack
also i know most modpacks simply yeet all logs entirely :/ which is even worse
round kindle
also i know most modpacks simply yeet all logs entirely :/ which is even worse
Bruh
Well i can see the reasoning but making it a config still would be the best option imo, maybe have it say smth about modpacks to have it on so people know smth is wrong idk
fallen ember
if i were to give a middle ground. i'd say to add a config but when the config is on ( aka warning is disabled ) there is instead a popup on the mainMenu. like the LAN and File warnings.
rationale is that you should never have to disable the warning if nothing is broken 🙃
round kindle
if i were to give a middle ground. i'd say to add a config but when the config i...
Oh yeah that sounds even better