Gale

[umbral herald]

hmm

must've broke something

[fast halo]

where is the old cache located?

[umbral herald]

On windows and if you didn't change it in settings it's in AppData/Local/com.kesomannen.gale

[fast halo]

the folder called temp?

I assume I shouldnt touch EBWebView

[umbral herald]

No, it's called cache

[tender hare]

configuration source file

[umbral herald]

if it's not there it probably got deleted

[tender hare]

some it is happening

some not

which is weird

[fast halo]

ah okay

yeah I guess it did

[umbral herald]

did you update straight to 0.8.1?

from 0.7.8

[fast halo]

no, I had 0.8.0 first

[umbral herald]

ok huh

[fast halo]

there is a folder called cache in roaming/com.kesomannen.gale

looks like the new one

[umbral herald]

yeah that's the new one

[fast halo]

is it safe to delete the temp folder in the local/com.kesomannen.gale folder

[umbral herald]

yeah, that's an old thing

I didn't bother making it auto delete since it's usually not that big

[fast halo]

btw, there's only 3 plugins in the new cache folder, even though I have way more

is this how it should be?

[umbral herald]

Yeah, old profiles aren't updated to use the new cache

even then it's fine to not have any mods in the cache

[umbral herald]

Can you check the cached version of your modpack and see if all the files are there?

it's in [data directory]/cache/[mod name]/[version]

actually I can do it myself

[hallow reef]

looking further into the BepInEx.cfg issue, i am able to edit the default config that it installs, that config seems to stay in the cache, \Roaming\com.kesomannen.gale\cache\BepInEx-BepInExPack\5.4.2100\BepInEx\config, so deleting the Gale profile and installing the modpack again will just pull the config from the cache with the correct modified settings, but it wont do this for clean installs after a cache clear, since it cant pull the file from cache

[umbral herald]

Seems like an install order problem

[hallow reef]

its still an issue cause i have the modified file on thunderstore as part of the download

yeah

[umbral herald]

Not sure what the best approach is here

Or wait it should be installing the modpack files first

hmm maybe it's just a bug

ohhh I figured it ou

turns out it installs the "root" mod last

the reason I didn't catch this earlier was that I was testing with megalophobia, which itself doesn't have any config files but has sub-modpacks which do

[hallow reef]

https://tenor.com/view/big-bang-theory-sheldon-cooper-bazinga-ballpit-gif-3558458

[deep gazelle]

is Gale any good?

Thunderstore is kind amid

[umbral herald]

I would say it's better than thunderstore

but I wouldn't ask myself xD

On a more serious note, try it out and see which one sticks with you more

[fast halo]

deleted all the old profiles and re-imported to get the new cache system running

its so faaaaaaaaaaaaast

awesome work

[deep gazelle]

yeah

been thinking of changing launchers soon

but I don't know if Gale or R2 is better

[fast halo]

let me tell you

[deep gazelle]

tho im sure both are great anyways <3

[fast halo]

Gale is way better

[hallow reef]

i came from R2, not looking back 😄

[deep gazelle]

how was R2 like?

[fast halo]

Config editing is way better, profile importing is way better (especially now with the new cache system)

[hallow reef]

not that anything is wrong with R2, its just not as quick and easy, or sexy

[deep gazelle]

i have some friends telling me its good

[fast halo]

way more options searching / filtering mods

[hallow reef]

R2 is the thunderstore app without the ads, and slight placement differences with some buttons

[fast halo]

doesnt freeze up every time it decides to check thunderstore for mod updates

night and day difference

[hallow reef]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[fast halo]

it used to be a huge pain in the ass every time my friend group needed to update configs or change some mods around

now its lightning fast

also, for configs that make use of giant lists or dropdowns

awful experience in any other mod manager

[sudden walrus]

absolutely

[tender hare]

Did you do it or do you need me to

[umbral herald]

no I figured it out

the update is going live in about 15 minutes

I forgot to increase the version so I have to redo the build :/

[tender hare]

Ok

[tender hare]

Could you also fix the bug that makes the version number not updating unless you click on it.

[umbral herald]

which version number?

[tender hare]

Sorry not version number

Number of mods

Total mods

[umbral herald]

um

not for this update

[tender hare]

:(

When I download something it does not change unless I click on the profile again

Not that big of a issue though

[umbral herald]

here it is

0.8.2

Changed

• Install the root mod before its dependencies, which should fix issues with modpack config files sometimes being skipped

[oblique niche]

Would it be possible to add file size to a mods preview/description

Like next to the download count or something

Also, total profile file size when importing

Another thing, the collision for the scroll bar doesnt seem to stretch all the way to the right side of the screen, meaning if you move your mouse all the way to the right of your monitor to manually scroll, you'll miss the scroll bar by 1 pixel

Infinite scrolling works alright when browsing mods, but I don't think it should work the same on for your profile. Not having the full length of the scroll bar completely ruins manually scrolling. But then again, its kinda minor problem

I do really like how you can select which mods to update, great QOL

Also it doesnt crash every 30 mins like thunderstore did, so thats great

Also, the button to uninstall a mod feels kinda hidden and too many clicks away

[deep gazelle]

i got an antivirus warning

false alarm right?

[umbral herald]

this?

[deep gazelle]

yeah

just a false alarm tho

isn't it?

[oblique niche]

yea

[umbral herald]

It's just window's way of saying the application hasn't been signed by a trusted author

[oblique niche]

run it through virustotal.com if you want

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/bde953642401e10811e23a293d4a2c31bd313ff821cb9f6409f6da5847c5b09a/detection

wow i can access a mod's config directly from the mod list

how neat

does that mean its possible to detect which config files arent being used?

[umbral herald]

No, it's not full proof

[oblique niche]

darn

[umbral herald]

for example it doesn't detect when a mod has multiple config files, if it would remove them you would lose data

[deep gazelle]

it feels way faster

the look is a little weirder

but i like it

will take a bit to get used to

[umbral herald]

thanks :D

[oblique niche]

maybe instead it could filter out which ones it knows are being used? and then from there the user could manually look through them?

[umbral herald]

You can see it on the install button, do you want it just for the profile page?

[oblique niche]

oh, i didnt notice that

yeah, having it on the profile page would be nice too

[umbral herald]

It doesn't hurt to have them lying around really. Gale already hides any config files which no mod read during the last session

[oblique niche]

possibly, move the file size from the install button to an icon+text next to the download count

[umbral herald]

yeah, maybe it could be both

[oblique niche]

does having a large amount of config files increase import time?

wdym it hides it?

like it doesnt get loaded?

[umbral herald]

The install button currently shows the file size including all the dependencies, minus any mods you have cached

[umbral herald]

When opening the config page, yes. When importing from a code/file also yes but the difference is marginal

[oblique niche]

alright

[umbral herald]

internally gale loads it but doesn't display it in the UI

[oblique niche]

ah i see

[umbral herald]

(it can't now before reading the file if it's "orphaned" or not)

[deep gazelle]

does gale transfer mods downloaded from thunderstore?

not like

when you port a profile

i mean like

if you download a mod from thunderstore

will it also port on Glae?

Gale*

[umbral herald]

you mean thunderstore mod manager?

[deep gazelle]

yea

for exampe I add a moon mod

on a profile in thunderstore

will it also download on Glae?

Gale*

[umbral herald]

gale doesn't sync profiles in that way

[oblique niche]

the import codes work interchangeably tho

[umbral herald]

it basically copies profiles when you transfer them from tmm/r2mm

[deep gazelle]

since I want to add vacuity

but its not on Gale yet

[oblique niche]

it is for me

[umbral herald]

go to File > Fetch mods

[oblique niche]

yeah i was thinking there would be an option for that somewhere

[deep gazelle]

oh ok

ty

[umbral herald]

this is also bugging me, just haven't looked into it yet

It's probably pretty simple to fix though, I'm just lazy

[umbral herald]

You will soon be able to right click a mod to get the same context menu as clicking the three dots

[oblique niche]

cool

[oblique niche]

maybe in profile view it could show file size independent of dependency sizes?

[deep gazelle]

laziness is a burden but sometimes we need to be lazy

so you're fine :D

[frosty sorrel]

i clicked update like 1-2 hours ago, and its still downloading

[sudden walrus]

you probably have to restart it. i got an error earlier when trying to update but i think that was just because it was being uploaded or something. everything works now

[frosty sorrel]

yeah it fixed it 👍

[oblique niche]

@umbral herald how come the open website button doesnt always show up for a mod?

[sudden walrus]

the open website button links to whatever page is linked on thunderstore, which is not always filled out

[oblique niche]

also if you scroll down a lot and then search for something, you will be scrolled down further down than the actual modlist and scrollable content, causing it to look like no mods with that search term exist until you scroll

[oblique niche]

oh i see, im used to the open website button linking to the web version of thunderstore

[sudden walrus]

you can click the title to go to that

[oblique niche]

oh i see

thats pretty subtle

[sudden walrus]

i kinda agree, maybe it could be added to the context menu as well under "Open mod page" or something like that

[deep gazelle]

yeah the bug where it doesn't show the proper mod count's kinda annoyin

but bearable

[sudden walrus]

@umbral herald i'm getting an error when trying to install QualityCompany from the thunderstore website
Failed to resolve deep link - invalid dependency string format: Um_no/QualityCompany/1.5.0/

actually scratch that, it's every mod

Install with Mod Manager button no longer works on 0.8.2

[oblique niche]

yeah doesnt work for me either

[deep gazelle]

yeah

installing stuff seems to be bugged

though Bobbo's probably doing something rn

so leave him do it for another time

if you need to know though you can still download mods from Gale itsself

[heady prism]

It's weird at first, but MUCH faster to use when you get used to it

Compared to both Thunderstore and r2modman

[deep gazelle]

yeah

the startup is like

1 second

sometimes 2 seconds

unliek thunderstore which takes atleast 30 secs

[heady prism]

And UI is goated, less steps to do literally everything

In Thunderstore switching games and profiles now is a bit easier, but in r2modman and old Thunderstore you have to get in settings and find a button that throws you out of profile menu back to game selection, there you select a game, and then profile + loading times. Gale with it's drop downs is much more convenient

Game selection menu I think technically is not a drop-down, but whatever

[hallow reef]

Thanks for this!

[umbral herald]

I didn't know there were github scammers lol

[umbral herald]

oops

[dreamy yoke]

0.8.2, when I updated the mods I keep getting this
Failed to update mods - Failed to install JacobG5-JLL: failed to install after download: failed to link file BepInEx\plugins\JacobG5-JLL\JLL\JLL.dll: Incorrect function. (os error 1).

but the mod is downloaded and successfully instaled tho, just need to go to another tab and go back to Manage Profile Tab

this is the second time of updating the mod that already being updated

[robust lark]

They usually squat on abandoned repos. Like the LC Ultrawide repo had them until I reported them. They respond in like under a second to every comment when they're locked on to a repo

[urban crater]

why was the name gale chosen im just curious

[wild gale]

Bobbo's real name

[umbral herald]

I basically just googled cool names

but gale means wind which is fast and so is gale

[restive girder]

Gale's speed is a life saver.

Have a friend that uses vegetables in place of memory and storage, their drive speed is SO slow it's ridiculous. Takes upwards of 30 minutes to launch the game just with MoreCompany if logging is enabled (between 2 and 5 with it disabled).
Using the other Thunderstore clients to download and configure modpacks would take . . . hours :(

[uncut kraken]

Are right click context menu and multi select planned?

[frosty sorrel]

if he doesn't forget again

[umbral herald]

Right click yes, multiselect not right now

[tender hare]

Could you add an option to change what is on the Home Screen. I feel like it would be cooler if there was something else besides changelog

[dreamy yoke]

now I can't download anything

actually, the mod is in the cache folder but not on my profile

[umbral herald]

Seems like it can't make hard links for some reason

[umbral herald]

idk, what would you like?

[tender hare]

hmmm

[tender hare]

here is a list of some cool things

Dashboard Overview: A summary of your most recent or frequently used projects, settings, or mods.
Quick Actions: Buttons or links to launch a game, start a new project, or access common tools quickly.
News Feed: Updates from developers, news on game patches, or community announcements.
Profile Information: A quick glance at your profile, recent activity, and settings.
Pinned Items: Allow users to pin specific mods, settings, or notes for quick access.

got these from chat gpt

[umbral herald]

Eh, none of these seem very useful

plus a bunch of extra work for something rather minor

[heady prism]

I have a better suggestion: put a dancing employee in a corner

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-gif-10390493850213385987

[sudden walrus]

why would you even ask for the feature if you didn't have any ideas 😭

[oblique niche]

what do you think about the ability to access the change log directly when updating mods, rather than having to open it up on thunderstore's website?

not worth it?

[uncut kraken]

Gale is not just for LC.

[uncut kraken]

More like already implemented.

[neon kestrel]

would direct launching the game cause any problems as the game runs off steam?

[tender hare]

It lets you run multiple games at once

[neon kestrel]

shhh

your suggestions are ai generated

[tender hare]

So

[neon kestrel]

im pretty sure direct doesnt do just that

it probably has other features

[tender hare]

No direct does only that

It launches the game from the exe

Instead of using steam launch

Which lets you load multiple instances of the game

[acoustic glacier]

Can confirm, his hairline is Ai generated shit has visible smudges everywhere.

[oblique niche]

oh, i mean more so in the update all menu

[dreamy yoke]

is there a way to revert back to an older version of Gale? I can't work on my modpack rn with the new update

[oblique niche]

https://github.com/Kesomannen/gale/releases

[umbral herald]

As long as steam is running im the background, no

[umbral herald]

https://github.com/Kesomannen/gale/issues/71

[oblique niche]

oh lol

[steady dew]

i have this error again but this time this version doesnt exist and it has the right author name

[opaque sonnet]

Is anyone familiar with Os error 3?

A unique issue my friend is having

[upper cedar]

Are background downloads on the roadmap at all? Would love to continue using the app while my slow internet takes 20 minutes to download mods lol

[hardy rover]

LC Office really just needs to be optimized

It uses vanilla assets it has no reason to be 111.4 mb

I've seen a lot of interior mods start off large and become smaller, would love to see LC Office be at least around 80ish mb's

[pastel grove]

literally just making up numbers

[upper cedar]

my download speed is like 2mbps so anytime moons and interiors update i just sit and wait

[hardy rover]

Not trying to tbh, but doesn't LC Office use mostly vanilla assets? I know some are customized like The Upturned reference stuff but if I remember all the floor textures and wall textures and everything are from vanilla assets

I mean I suppose s1ckboy would have to take a look at it sometime if Piggy would let him

I'm just making an estimate of what I think it could go down to if all the vanilla stuff is optimized, I know some things will still use space like Shrimp

Assuming it's not already as optimized as possible

[pastel grove]

You have no reason to assume this

[hardy rover]

Yeah

I should try the mod again tbh, I remember it used to throw a lot of console stuff and complained cus of some duplicated assets it used

Dunno if that's been fixed

I imagine if it still throws those warnings though then it probably just needs the duplicated stuff to be removed

[twin wigeon]

even if it uses vanilla assets, afaik it would still be necessary to repackage them unless we come up with a solution to build bundles that use references to vanilla assets, which is very tricky

[pastel grove]

Any solution like that would be pushing our legal goodwill imo

[twin wigeon]

oh? why do you say that? as I understand it, it would just be copying some IDs over

seems like it's more legally dubious to repackage them

[pastel grove]

If we could identify everything and swap via id, maybe

but

scene files

[umbral herald]

I definitely want to add it

but the difficult part is making sure anything you do during the download doesn't break it

for example switching game would currently break it completely

[robust lark]

I feel like you should be able to encapsulate a download in a way that it doesn't need external anything and then send it off to async land

[umbral herald]

Yeah, that's almost how it works already

but then you also have to prevent multiple downloads of the same mod being started at the same time

[robust lark]

niceu

[dreamy gazelle]

@umbral herald hi. I am having problems with gale. For some reason if you have Lethal performance 0.3.5 and any version of Cullfactory, the burst lib in the Lethal performance's directory doesnt get generated, and when you launch the game, after splash screens you get a black sceen. The menu works fine its just invisible.

with lethal performance v 0.3.4:

(no black screen too)

[umbral herald]

You sure this is a gale issue?

[dreamy gazelle]

yep, everything works in r2

[dreamy gazelle]

with lethal performance v 0.3.5 but without cullfactory, the burst lib doesn`t get generated but the game doesn't get the black srceen

[umbral herald]

This might be the issue
Fallback handler could not load library C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/Lethal Company/Lethal Company_Data/MonoBleedingEdge/data-00000298034BAB00.dll

but idk why gale would be the cause of that

I'd say take this up with diffoz

[dreamy gazelle]

okay, it turns out I was looking at the wrong logs. I accidentally gave the logs from Player.log instead of actual logs from bepInEx:[Message: BepInEx] BepInEx 5.4.21.0 - Lethal Company (4/15/2024 11:32:02 PM)
[Info : BepInEx] Running under Unity v2022.3.9.15351836
[Info : BepInEx] CLR runtime version: 4.0.30319.42000
[Info : BepInEx] Supports SRE: True
[Info : BepInEx] System platform: Bits64, Windows
[Message: BepInEx] Preloader started
[Info : BepInEx] Loaded 1 patcher method from [BepInEx.Preloader 5.4.21.0]
[Info : BepInEx] Loaded 1 patcher method from [HarmonyXTranspilerFix 0.0.0.0]
[Info : BepInEx] Loaded 1 patcher method from [LethalPerformance.Patcher 0.3.5.0]
[Info : BepInEx] 3 patcher plugins loaded
[Info : BepInEx] Patching [UnityEngine.CoreModule] with [BepInEx.Chainloader]
[Message: BepInEx] Preloader finished
[Message: BepInEx] Chainloader ready
[Message: BepInEx] Chainloader started
[Info : BepInEx] 3 plugins to load
[Warning: BepInEx] Plugin [Lethal Performance Unity 0.0.0] targets a wrong version of BepInEx (5.4.22.0) and might not work until you update
[Info : BepInEx] Loading [CullFactory 1.3.5]
[Info :CullFactory] Loaded CullFactory's Burst assembly.
[Info : BepInEx] Loading [Lethal Performance Unity 0.0.0]
[Info : BepInEx] Loading [LethalPerformance 0.3.5]
[Fatal :LethalPerformance] Failed to find "lib_burst_generated.data"
[Info :LethalPerformance] Disabled StopNan and enabled DepthPrepassWithDeferredRendering globally
[Info :LethalPerformance] Initialized static void LethalPerformance.Utilities.HDRenderPipelineAssetOptimizer::Initialize()
[Info :LethalPerformance] Initialized static void LethalPerformance.Utilities.OpenLogsFolderKeybind::Initialize()
[Message: BepInEx] Chainloader startup complete
[Info :LethalPeformance.Patcher] Saved 3 config(s)

and here's the logs with lethal performance version 0.3.4:

[Message: BepInEx] BepInEx 5.4.21.0 - Lethal Company (4/15/2024 11:32:02 PM)
[Info : BepInEx] Running under Unity v2022.3.9.15351836
[Info : BepInEx] CLR runtime version: 4.0.30319.42000
[Info : BepInEx] Supports SRE: True
[Info : BepInEx] System platform: Bits64, Windows
[Message: BepInEx] Preloader started
[Info : BepInEx] Loaded 1 patcher method from [BepInEx.Preloader 5.4.21.0]
[Info : BepInEx] Loaded 1 patcher method from [HarmonyXTranspilerFix 0.0.0.0]
[Info : BepInEx] Loaded 1 patcher method from [LethalPerformance.Patcher 0.3.4.0]
[Info : BepInEx] 3 patcher plugins loaded
[Info : BepInEx] Patching [UnityEngine.CoreModule] with [BepInEx.Chainloader]
[Message: BepInEx] Preloader finished
[Message: BepInEx] Chainloader ready
[Message: BepInEx] Chainloader started
[Info : BepInEx] 3 plugins to load
[Warning: BepInEx] Plugin [Lethal Performance Unity 0.0.0] targets a wrong version of BepInEx (5.4.22.0) and might not work until you update
[Info : BepInEx] Loading [CullFactory 1.3.5]
[Info :CullFactory] Loaded CullFactory's Burst assembly.
[Info : BepInEx] Loading [Lethal Performance Unity 0.0.0]
[Info : BepInEx] Loading [LethalPerformance 0.3.4]
[Info :LethalPerformance] Disabled StopNan and enabled DepthPrepassWithDeferredRendering globally
[Info :LethalPerformance] Initialized static void LethalPerformance.Utilities.HDRenderPipelineAssetOptimizer::Initialize()
[Info :LethalPerformance] Initialized static void LethalPerformance.Utilities.OpenLogsFolderKeybind::Initialize()
[Message: BepInEx] Chainloader startup complete
[Info :LethalPeformance.Patcher] Saved 2 config(s)

gonna dupe this into the lethal performance too rn

[twin wigeon]

The reason for this is that loading any Burst assemblies causes Unity to try to call any Burst methods using their native pointers, so any that aren't loaded cause errors. CullFactory's Burst assembly loads on your machine, so when LethalPerformance's isn't loaded, it causes it to break

[twin wigeon]

it looks like when I import a local mod, it's not refreshing the mod list until I switch tabs and switch back, unless it's just delayed

[uncut kraken]

Search fields should reset on close.

[sudden walrus]

experienced this too

[dreamy yoke]

for me is when updating the mod
#1246088342458863618 message

[umbral herald]

boom

0.8.3

Added

• File size to mod details menu

Fixed

• Install with mod manager button on Thunderstore not working
• Mod list installed indicator being hidden
• Delete button not working for non-cfg config files
• Improve error messages for failed modpack uploads
• Zip archives with backslashes instead of frontslashes extracting incorrectly on Unix platforms

[tall marsh]

The app froze for me in the latest version when clicking on most config files and I had to reopen it to fix

[uneven ether]

Same issue on my end

I've rolled back to the last release in the meantime

[umbral herald]

Yeah oops, I made a last minute "style" fix which apparently broke it

because javascript

[tall marsh]

No biggie. Thanks for the quick update!

[umbral herald]

np

[pallid sky]

I can Finally know what mods I have installed on the search tab :]

[cerulean stream]

The entire window became scrollable?

[heady prism]

Poggers

[heady prism]

How hard would be making aarch64 version of Gale?

[strange pollen]

Gale should put deprecated mods towards the top of the list. Not that long ago I had one in my pack for awhile because it was always near the bottom of the list and I never noticed😂

[fickle wigeon]

What does that have to do with the message you replied to

[hardy rover]

They mentioned it takes a long time to download, if the file size got optimized it would be way faster

[fickle wigeon]

That’s mainly due to their internet, just lc office lowering its file size won’t do much, there are plenty of other mods which are over 100mb. It’s up to him if he wants to download big mods or not

But lowering lc offices file size won’t fix his issue

[twin wigeon]

I would rather it didn't reorder things personally

it could certainly notify you though

[hallow reef]

weird, Gale told me there was an update available when i was already on 0.8.4, clicking the button restarted it but didnt seem to do anything else

[dreamy yoke]

agreed. maybe something like this available updates is good tho, with red background saying a mod is deprecated

[strange pollen]

Yeah I don't care as long as it tells me somehow😅

[crisp wyvern]

never seen that before oO. First it was invisible for minutes, then this

(I clicked update before pulling the ss)

[grave sparrow]

So i installed Gale and it gave me this

Made me extremely nervous

[native shadow]

It's fine, just windows telling you it's not from a registered developer.

[marsh eagle]

costs a good chunk of change

[native shadow]

yeah the EV is between $250-$700 per year iirc

standard code signing is $100-$500 per year

[marsh eagle]

jeez, i didn't know it was that much

[native shadow]

I mean @umbral herald could use this https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/filesubmission to validate but possibly would have to do it with every version

[short star]

But it’s not classified as malware, just an unrecognised application

[lusty ingot]

Yo guys I need help, my PC crashed while I was downloading some mods on Gale, and it comes up with this error

"Failed to intialize mod manager: failed to read manager save data: expected value at line 1 column 1"

Anyone know what to do?

[umbral herald]

Your gale "save file" got corrupted. Go into gale's data folder and delete the manager.json file

It might forget what game you had selected but should not cause any morr harm

[lusty ingot]

I did try looking for a file but couldn't find one

Is gale's data folder in a separate one from the "Gale" folder?

[umbral herald]

It's in AppData/Roaming

Called com.kesomannen.gale

(if you haven't changed it in settings)

[lusty ingot]

Oh yeah I found it

Is the file just called save file?

[umbral herald]

It's called manager.json

[lusty ingot]

Found it

So I just delete that and it should be fine?

[umbral herald]

Yeah

[lusty ingot]

Still coming up with the same error

Do I have to reinstall it?

[umbral herald]

brb

[lusty ingot]

K

[uncut kraken]

Are you new to PC?

[bleak dagger]

yes

[lusty ingot]

Never keso, I managed to fix it by restarting my PC after deleting manager.json

Thanks for the help man

[crisp wyvern]

this was resolved by a reboot 🫠

[pallid sky]

oof

[wispy shoal]

Hey, I just got told about this mod lancher and it is amazing! There is one problem I have though for exporting a modpack. I like that people can quick make them and that is great, but i want more customizability. On Thunderstore, you can find your modlist string including the mod versions and the best you can do here is getting your modlist without versions. This makes it so that you can't actually use this list for modpacks. Is there a way you can make another copy button that copies the mods as a dependency string?

also, is there a way you can make it so that if you click the main config for a mod, it will open all the different things under it and not just have them in their own small lists? This is handy for mods with a buch of separators in their configs

[umbral herald]

Profile > Copy debug info has that as well as other info

[wispy shoal]

what I mean is I need this
"BunyaPineTree-ModelReplacementAPI-2.4.8",
"Rova-MorshuBombs-1.1.0",
etc.

but I get this
"BunyaPineTree-ModelReplacementAPI",
"Rova-MorshuBombs",
etc.

so I can't just paste it all into my already set up manifest

[twin wigeon]

is there any way to view the mods that depend on a particular mod yet?

it doesn't seem to show anything like that in the dependencies modal

I find it a pretty helpful feature in r2modman so if it was be possible in Gale too that would be cool

[twin wigeon]

ope never mind, I found it

feels a little odd to have it hidden away in the context menu when dependencies are immediately visible

but it also feels weird not to be able to right click mods for that context menu, it's not very ergonomic to move my cursor to the top right to open it

[sudden walrus]

that's a planned feature

[noble cradle]

Question, how do I edit .json files in Gale like you would in r2modman? asking because I'm not seeing the files in the .cfg section, so I'm guessing either manually or there's another section I have to look.

[sudden walrus]

you will have to manually edit them yes

gale only has support for cfg files

[marsh eagle]

decided to try this out and i absolutely love it, will be running with this client from now on
i have a suggestion that i am not aware anyone else has made so please don't scold me for this but perhaps there can be a "Copy link" in the context menu when you right click on a mod? or just in the kebab menu, which copies the mod's thunderstore link?

[umbral herald]

Thanks for using it :D I know it's a little obscure but the mod's name is actually a link to the thunderstore page

[marsh eagle]

my apologies! i am quite embarrassed now, would still be cool if you added it to a context menu of sorts

[umbral herald]

fully powered by sqlite

I also played around a bit with the UI

it's obviously not in a finished state but let me know what you think about the idea

[vital mason]

WAL go brrr

it looks awesome

[bleak dagger]

shitty search lmao

https://crates.io/crates/tantivy

❤️

[umbral herald]

Yeah ik, i think it's getting confused by PascalCase

I might switch it over to a simple search instead

like it is rn

[bleak dagger]

or hear me out, an actual search

[umbral herald]

The one it's using in that video is like the official sqlite fts

so idk how much better it can get

[umbral herald]

this doesn't look like it works with sqlite

[bleak dagger]

https://nickb.dev/blog/replacing-elasticsearch-with-rust-and-sqlite/

reading this rn

whole buncha yapping

google this isnt even what i asked for

[fast halo]

what you should do is, every time the user types in the search bar, gale makes one http request per thunderstore mod to the mod page, parses the html, compiles a regex from the search string and tries to match the regex to the entire html contents. this will be very performant 👍

[bleak dagger]

[fast halo]

actually dont do that because I am going to file a U.S. patent for this algorithm

[bleak dagger]

jeez

[heady prism]

A new tab? What's it for?
||Forgot to remove ping💀||

[umbral herald]

Just a test tab

It's another branch where I'm trying a bunch of things out

The whole app is broken rn (you might have noticed the profile says undefined undefined 😅)

[warm topaz]

Small little request, do you think you could have the application fetch mods when importing a code if you have fetch mods automatically disabled? I have it disabled and always forget to click fetch mods before importing a code lol

just slightly annoying having to paste the code a second time after I click the button, but very much a skill issue on my part

[pastel grove]

@umbral herald I'm not a UX designer whatsoever but I noticed with a little moving of things around you could possibly save a ton of vertical space on those listings without it looking too messy? might be worth playing around with?

rough thing in paint

[bleak dagger]

honestly I agree that looks a lot better

[oblique niche]

install button in the bottom right is a must-have tho

also everyone should know that the i icon means information, so the more info text isnt really needed

[frosty sorrel]

i tried redesigning it myself from scratch and its not my best work, but its just a proof of concept

[deft jackal]

hello i have a problem for mod manager i keep trying to look up this mod but it somehow doesnt exist and i would love the app more if could fetch mod data faster and im having an issue with downloading large modpacks that are large and take more than 7 minutes to download get frozen

[deft jackal]

and it takes more than 7 min because my internet speed is like 2mbs/sec so yeah and i think the way to tackle this issue by probably adding a pause and resume button for the downloading

and yeah i tried to add this mod manually but it keeps downloading it again when i import from code

[umbral herald]

Have you turned off automatic fetching?

[deft jackal]

so i guess the best way to solve this issue is by having an option is by adding an exclude button so that i would download it manully instead of using the mod manger'

[deft jackal]

i'll check

[deft jackal]

is that option gonna fetch mods faster?

[umbral herald]

no, but it's gonna make sure it actually has fetched mods

[deft jackal]

ok thx

[umbral herald]

or wait, maybe the mod has been removed?

seems like a cheat mod

yeah not here

it got nuked

[deft jackal]

i see

but for some reason it's working on thunder mod manger and that's pretty weired

[umbral herald]

I think other mod managers just ignore it

[deft jackal]

ye

but hey is it possible to include the pause and resume button for when downloading mods and i would appreciate if u also include an exclude button for when im importing from code or file so i can manually download large mods

[umbral herald]

Probably not pause button, I feel like that's too niche for the complexity of implementing it. Plus I plan on making the install more a background thing, so you will be able use the app while it's downloading. I don't know why you'd want to download large mods manually? It doesn't go any faster through the thunderstore website. Also, if you let gale download the mod, it will store it into cache and use the same file for future installations of the same mod.

[deft jackal]

it's because if a certain mods take more than 7 minutes to install it freezes and it wont budge

[umbral herald]

Like the whole app?

or just the loading bar?

[deft jackal]

loading bar

[umbral herald]

Which step?

downloading, extracting or installing?

[deft jackal]

downloading

most likely downloading

[umbral herald]

seems like an issue with your network

But it's hard to say with this little info

[deft jackal]

hmmmm

i mean i noticed that issue not only in your mod manager but in also thunder store mod manger and r2modman and and even the website but the download worked when i was installing the mod from the website because i was able to pause and unpause the download

[deft jackal]

it does store in the cache if it's fully downloads it tho if it's partially downloaded it wont store so i have to download it again

[umbral herald]

Yeah, it has to finish downloading and extracting for cache to work

[deft jackal]

but idk why it wont skip the large mod when i already downloaded it manually and imported it locally

[umbral herald]

If you overwrite a profile it just deletes the whole thing before importing

[deft jackal]

damn

what if i import the mod in another profile will it take copy from the other profiles

[umbral herald]

No

local mod imports are very simple

because it's not meant to be used for this 😅

[deft jackal]

what do you think i should do?

any ideas

[umbral herald]

You can try just installing the big mod in another profile

if it succeeds gale will use that same file each time you install the mod

otherwise fix your connection 🙃

[deft jackal]

there's no problem with my connection im only suffering from slow internet

[umbral herald]

ah ok

[deft jackal]

and if the download take more than 7 minutes it freeze

[umbral herald]

it's just timing out

[deft jackal]

yes

[umbral herald]

Why does the browser download work then 🤔

I feel like pausing it shouldn't make a difference

[deft jackal]

because i can tackle that issue by pause and unpausing

[umbral herald]

I mean it's the same connection

but if it works it works

[deft jackal]

and myabe because im using idm(internet download manger)

[deft jackal]

indeed

im sorry for troubling you but is it not possible to add a feature whyy2

[umbral herald]

it's a pretty complicated feature

and for a niche use case

[short star]

does Gale not extract local imports to the cache folder?

[deft jackal]

is it possible to manully put the mod in the cache folder?

[short star]

yes

[deft jackal]

and where is the cache folder

hello?

[umbral herald]

No, I feel like that would be against its purpose

but idk, maybe it should do that

[umbral herald]

you can but it's gonna take some work and be error prone

[deft jackal]

damn

[short star]

We treat it like semver, if someone gives you v1.3.2 and then does further updates and releases it on TS as v1.3.2 then that is their issue as the dev

[deft jackal]

i'll try so tell me where can i find the cache folder

[umbral herald]

one second

I'm playing build battle

The cache folder inside in the data folder (by default AppData/Roaming/com.kesomannen.gale)

you can have a look around in there

you have to structure the mod files like the other ones in there

otherwise it wont work

I wouldn't recommend it

[deft jackal]

ok thank you

[deft jackal]

im sorry for bothering you but is it really not possible for local mods to be added to cache or at least the feature that i suggested that makes the user exclude a mod

if it's not possible then im gonna stop bothering

[deep gazelle]

@umbral herald would it be possible to add a feature where you can ''transport'' mods from one modpack to a different one?

cuz its a pain having to launch gale and another thunderstore mod manager just to manually add the mods from a specific modpack

[short star]

can't you just install the modpack and then uninstall the top-level modpack package?

so then you have all the modpack dependencies on your profile

[hard kestrel]

does anyone know how well gale works on osx through whiskey? i'm helping a friend get set up

[steep dagger]

Would it be possible to add an option where disabled mods are ignored from profile files and codes?

[dreamy yoke]

this would be cool

[steep dagger]

Whenever I'm making a smaller pack for my friends I have to make a copy of my normal pack and then cut it down, which is kinda time consuming when you have around 100 mods

I could just use the modpack maker in Gale actually

[uncut kraken]

Which will be even more time consuming.

[uncut kraken]

What's up with that?

[umbral herald]

It's because of the Acceptable values line

a bit dumb of the mod to specify that when it's a boolean :/

[bleak dagger]

bwahahah wtf

[uncut kraken]

Works okay in r2 though.

[umbral herald]

r2 always shows a dropdown for bool settings

[muted aurora]

it seems like for game communities that don't have the Modpacks catagory (e.g. Dsyon Sphere Program), clicking on Export modpack button will make the mod manager stuck in blank page. Other buttons will stop responding too

[wispy shoal]

I have a weird weird error where some subcategories of a config refuse to generate

the Copy is a older but functionally identical copy of the other one but it's categories show

it seems to be some difference inside, but I'm not sure which since copying the text from one to the other makes the other one break as well

so it turns out of there are no descriptors for a config, the config doesn't show. This is a massive problem with LLL specifically since over time, descriptors tend to get deleted if you use its config for a while

now that I have added the # lines, they appear in the config and so does the LLL subsection

but no others do

[umbral herald]

This is intended behaviour by gale and unintended-ish by LLL. Those entries without comments are orphaned entries, which means no mod read from them the last time the game was launched. This usually means they're unused and not useful to edit, so Gale hides them. LLL is a bit special and doesn't bind the config until you enter a lobby, so if you exit the game without doing that, all of the options become orphaned. IAmBatby is planning to fix this I think

[wispy shoal]

ah, that explains a lot

I've been wondering for the longest time why all my LLL configs slowly start losing their descriptions

[umbral herald]

The slow change is probably due to you uninstalling moons and interiors

[wispy shoal]

probably though I've had them sometimes with stuff I do have so idk

yeah, I'll often just load to the main menu to generate configs for mods I am testing so I can mess with weights. That is what happened here to cause this

[pallid sky]

Hi!
I have a question.
Is there a way to merge 2 profiles?

[dreamy yoke]

I was wondering about this for awhile

[umbral herald]

not currently

[pallid sky]

thanks for letting me know.
I'll have to push an experimental version of a branch for a modpack for testing purposes :,]

[cinder basin]

am i able to launch game in vanilla using this mod manager?

[sudden walrus]

not at the moment

[vital mason]

i'm quite sure an empty profile is going to launch vanilla 🤔 or does it auto install BepInEx?

[sudden walrus]

afaik you can't launch the game without bepinex installed

[umbral herald]

If you install BepInEx it'll work

basically vanilla

[obtuse jetty]

Can you add the ability to scroll while dragging mods?

[umbral herald]

Don't know how

tried to do it before

didn't work out well

[eager dragon]

does using something like the arrow keys or pgdown work

[muted aurora]

How about a editable index, like Steam wish list do?

[hallow reef]

If I install a Modpack (outer) and it has a dependency on another Modpack (inner), can I override the configs of the (inner) pack by providing configs in the (outer) pack? .. hope I'm explaining that right lol

[umbral herald]

Yes, the one that installs first will have priority

[deft jackal]

can you plz make it so that locally imported mods are imported to the cache

[severe belfry]

maybe just fetching mods when first opening the app

[umbral herald]

Maybe, wouldn't be that intuitive though

[umbral herald]

I think that would be just as difficult

and require lots of changes to the UI

which is not what I'm looking for right now

[umbral herald]

Probably not

there's problems that could arise with that

[short star]

In conjunction with the numeric input, moving items with arrow keys could be pretty nice as it’d just inc/dec the number

[umbral herald]

Yeah I was thinking of doing it this way

[pallid sky]

Hmm? (I can't download the new update)

[umbral herald]

Ah sorry, I forgot to publish it properly

now it shoudl work

speaking of

0.8.5

Added

• "Uninstall disabled mods" button to Profile menu
• Code highlighting to markdown code blocks

Changed

• New monospace font
• Enable gzip for API requests, which can significantly speed up mod fetching
• The mod index is now always fetched on startup, even if the automatic fetch setting is disabled
• Minor UI changes

Fixed

• Local mods not showing in the mod list until the page is refreshed
• The "Install date" sorting mode being affected by mod updates

[heady prism]

Damn uninstalling disabling mods is a nice feature👍

Kind of thing you don't know you need it until you have it

[sudden walrus]

something is very wrong with readme formatting. gale vs thunderstore

[upper cedar]

wow the new fetching is huge

it used to take 4-5 minutes for me, now its about 10 seconds

[heady prism]

Spoiler ate stuff
||(Just a guess)||

[obtuse jetty]

Wait did you get rid of the "Update" button in the corner? I just realized that I've been on v0.6.2 since forever

"check for app updates" doesn't work either

Looks like I probably have to reinstall it

[severe belfry]

no it was just broken 062-071

[hallow reef]

Thanks for adding refresh on launch rather than just on fetch ❤️

[low pivot]

I think you had to update it manually for like a version of the recent ones, might have been ver 0.6.4 I'm not really sure, but just manually download the latest N hopefully you'll see the button up there from now on

[umbral herald]

Gale removes all the # headings in the details menu to prevent duplicate names (sicne # is usually only used for the big title at the top). Use ## for sub-headings instead

Also the images are broken, seems like discord nuked them

[bleak dagger]

did you add code highlighting for the fun of it

[umbral herald]

maybe 😶

[pastel grove]

this might be a dumb question but theres no in-app self updating yet is there

[umbral herald]

There is

it broke between 0.6.2 and 0.7.1 though

[pastel grove]

ah

[umbral herald]

I think a bunch of people are stuck there currently 😅 here for example #1246088342458863618 message

[hardy gale]

Having a bug where seemingly randomly a left mouse click will minimize gale. Clicking the icon in the taskbar doesn't bring it back. I can hover over the taskbar icon, right click the preview, and hit maximize and it brings it back.

[past bane]

not an issue but, love how the font makes it look like "LethaUoyride"

got a laugh out of me

[obtuse jetty]

lol if I didn't see the word jetpack in the description I wouldn't even have realised that it wasn't supposed to be Uoyride

[heady prism]

Honestly, I wouldn't like this button to not exist, since I update Gale using yay/pacman/aur it just sits there completely useless and annoys me. Idk if it even can do updates, last time I tried it either froze or exited with some kind of error :/

Perhaps having a toggle somewhere in settings to hide it would be nice

[sudden walrus]

if you're on the latest version of gale then there shouldn't be an update button

[heady prism]

Yeah, but sometimes I have to wait up to a week for AUR update and the whole week the button just stays there as a decoration

[dreamy yoke]

are people having different issues with Gale? I feel like I'm the only one with these download/update issues and I don't have the problems that others are experiencing

[deep gazelle]

it happens to me too sometimes

but I usually just try again later

[dreamy yoke]

now i can't even open the app

PepeCryRainbow

nvm

forgot to plug the external ssd

stare

[celest moth]

guh

[hallow reef]

Anyone know an easy way to install Gale appimage on Fedora?

[hallow reef]

I must be missing some kind of dependency, Gale tries to open but closes immediately

[slow surge]

What does it log if you try to run it from the terminal?

[long relic]

I'm not having this exact problem, but tonight a few friends tried importing a mod pack, it worked for one person but the other two it said about pathway or something

We went through everything, and just couldn't find any differences between our files and settings. Assuming it might be a fluke atm?

[umbral herald]

Maybe it doesn't like your external ssd?

[dreamy yoke]

At first I thought it didn't like internal ssd so I moved it to external, so now my guess is it just doesn't like me at all

[hardy gale]

My mouse has an issue where it double clicks sometimes if that helps

[pallid sky]

someone knows a way to merge profiles for testing purposes?
I have the branches ready, but I don't wanna upload on thunderstore before making sure everything is ok

[celest moth]

not sure but u can like make a new empty profile go manually into each profile, yoink the bepinex into the empty profile

[pallid sky]

Nope, it doesn't work :,]

Gale doesn't detect those mods

[celest moth]

it doesnt deteck but i think the mods should still be launched

unless they work different when detecting stuff in the bepinex

oh unless yer talking bout using gale to upload the modpack ?

[pallid sky]

hmm

[celest moth]

the only reason it doesnt show up i think because all the mod list is outside the bepinex, the list is inside profile.json should be the list

[violet osprey]

copy mods in mod folder to another folder in file explorer

[pallid sky]

ok

[pallid sky]

I think I could make it, but I'm pretty sure that's not the real count

[fickle wigeon]

Upload all of them to ts and then download it all

[dreamy yoke]

how?

[uncut kraken]

It doesn't always update.

[umbral herald]

There's not a supported way of doing it, but I'm considering adding it since multiple people have asked

[cunning notch]

Okay I installed Gale for the first time and it seems pretty good so far, though I have some feedback on the UI design.

I find the hierarchy kinda confusing, as the profile is on this top bar thingy, but it completely affects what the manage profile tab shows. It feels kinda weird, especially because you only really see the differences in profiles on the manage profile tab, so it isn't super intuitive. Ofc this isn't a major issue, it's just something I noticed as someone who has done UI design.

I don't really have a solution to this issue, other than just one quite rough mockup I did like 8 months ago for a mod manager concept.

Here's the mockup I mentioned btw. It has a focus on the profile being the most important thing pretty much

[cunning notch]

Another way things could be ordered is like this, and a profile could have its own tabs for installed, browse, and configs separately too. And yeah that one square icon is a square because I'm lazy, it'd be the browse icon.

but yeah anways that's just an idea on how to possibly make the UI hierarchy make more sense

[deep gazelle]

yeah but it doesn't look as smooth in my opinion

maybe that was the aim of the design

[upper cedar]

You select the game and profile on the top, which affects all tabs, not just the Manage Profile one (minus the home page, thats just Gale stuff)

I do think the Home page could change tbh. I dont think showing the changelog is necessarily something that needs to be so front-and-center, but also not sure what else to put on it (or if the app needs a home page)

[scenic helm]

I think a homepage is pretty unnecessary, makes more sense to me that the page with your mods would be the primary page on a mod manager

[warm topaz]

@umbral herald found an issue with the config editor that can cause new faux entries. First screenshot is how to cause a break in the config item, second/third is what results from it

another example

I guess other mod managers wont have this issue because they dont provide a larger textbox for editing

issue was first reported to me here #1180739684654121091 message when the fake config items started throwing errors because they were basically named "\n"

tbh idk if this is something you can easily fix so prob just add a warning that any new line that has an equals in it will be treated as a new config item. (or maybe remove the new lines added in your textbox when applying the config i guess)

[cunning notch]

Yeah I don't really like mine too much, but I think it does make the hierarchy slightly clearer. I'm sure it can be improved too

[cunning notch]

Ah, true. Honestly, it kinda does make sense, but maybe it's just the UI colors that make the manage profile and such tabs appear almost as high level as the top bar thing which makes it a little confusing, so I might look into that

[cunning notch]

and yeah I agree with this

[dreamy yoke]

How did you do that?

[mellow parrot]

for some reason gale keeps freezing

and i can only restart it by force closing it in task manager

happens every few minutes, when im switching windows with alt+tab

[umbral herald]

hmm, a couple of people have reported this now

Can't replicate it though

[slow surge]

I also had it happen a couple times. I attached a debugger and IIRC it looked like it was waiting on thunderstore.lock() or whatever. Smells like a deadlock to me.

It would lock up while fetching the mod list IIRC

[sudden walrus]

usually happens when clicking on any link that goes somewhere

[umbral herald]

a link in a readme?

[sudden walrus]

i dont know if i've seen it happen with links in readme

usually like headers that link to mod pages

i usually see it in the update all window, but i'm pretty sure i've seen it happen elsewhere in the manager too

[quasi badger]

to update gale can i just download the latest version and paste all the files where my old version is currently installed

this is probably a dumb question but i just wanna make sure i don't break anything

[umbral herald]

There should be a notice in the top right corner

which you can just press and it installs for you

Otherwise, to update manually, you don't have to do anything with the files. Just install the newer one and uninstall the old one

[quasi badger]

i'm on one of the versions which had that broken which is why i was asking

[quasi badger]

alright ty

[calm bane]

Is it possible to set steam launch parameters in gale?

[mellow parrot]

yes this happened to me plenty of times when clicking the link in readme

forgot to mention that in my first messages

[fickle wigeon]

this honestly looks more confusing to me lol

[umbral herald]

Should I maybe make a dedicated discord server?

Especially since I'll be "officially" releasing to all the games soon

[warm topaz]

would be a good idea I think

[strange pollen]

Yeah not a bad idea

[cunning notch]

that's fair lol

[knotty sparrow]

is it possible to set the mods to show disabled first like in r2modman? if not id like to add it as a suggestion

[uncut kraken]

Why?

[knotty sparrow]

ez management

[frosty sorrel]

also @umbral herald , when is the right click comming out?

[umbral herald]

idk, not in the next update probably

It's a bit complicated

[frosty sorrel]

oke

[restive marten]

Sorry if this was suggested before or is already a feature, but it would be nice if I could categorize the mods I've installed into groups/folders (or tag them). For example: Quality of Life, Moons, Interiors, Entities, Suits, Library/API, etc.

[sudden walrus]

you can do this with blank mods

it's not the prettiest solution but it works

this is what mine looks like

wish the 0.0.0 version string would automatically be hidden, i dont think it would really affect anything outside of this one edge case

[restive marten]

I hadn't thought about that! I had them grouped already, but they still looked confusing next to each other. Thanks!

[frigid vault]

That's a great idea!

[umbral herald]

Im testing out a bunch of different UI ideas right now, what do you think about this?

[frigid vault]

I love this!

[umbral herald]

buttons

Im not sure about the darker background color

[warm topaz]

is the client style gonna be configurable? that's pretty sick

[frigid vault]

I like the darker styles, but can agree that style options would be really nice.

[umbral herald]

No, this is for the next major verison

I've basically redone the entire rust side

[warm topaz]

ohhh gotcha, so you're trying to choose between a couple different button styles?

[umbral herald]

Those are variants of the same design (different colors and weights)

[warm topaz]

makes sense, i have no sense of style so i'll leave the judgment to others

[umbral herald]

I also had this

looks a bit messy though

[tender hare]

It would be better if the man area was on the left like how it is

Idk that is just my opinion

[sudden walrus]

i kinda prefer still being able to see the mod list

[umbral herald]

For context you'll be able to see more information directly on the thunderstore mod list. The profile page is going to be separated from the browse page and overhauled

something similar to the modrinth app

[sudden walrus]

in that case sounds good, the only thing its missing is a back arrow to go back to the mod list

[short orbit]

I keep trying to import my modpack after my saved one corrupted on R2 (the code I have is not from a corrupted version) and I keep reciving this error:
Failed to import data - Error while importing mods: failed to install Renegades-FlashlightToggle: failed to link file BepInEx\plugins\Renegades-FlashlightToggle\CHANGELOG.md: The system cannot move the file to a different disk drive. (os error 17).
Any fix for this? I set every location is on the same drive as well

[umbral herald]

That's a weird error

not sure how that's even possible

[short orbit]

Oh lovely

Anything I can do to maybe not have that happen?

[main plume]

ohh i see the modrinth inspiration

oh lol it just got mentioned

anyway love you dev i use this over r2modman it's just simply better

[short orbit]

Oh wtfrick it just works now, I didn't do anything differently

I'll just chock it up to my luck then, terribly sorry for reporting a lottery bug
Edit: It keeps giving checksum errors while importing which I assume it known

[umbral herald]

well they did it right lol

[main plume]

modrinth did it 100% right

curseforge's too OLD

[digital jungle]

Weird request but could you put a line break after an auto generated changelog? Though it doesn’t affect the output, I personally add a line break every time so it looks nicer

[tepid lintel]

Mod manager looks good, few issues tho.

• Can't scroll when moving a mod
• Sometimes it moves a completely different mod than I picked up?
  Does it happen to more people?

[main plume]

lemme try

wait you can move mods?

[tepid lintel]

Yes? I am sorting out the list, to be a bit more comprehensible

[main plume]

huh wow you can. i can't. but scrolling wise i think you can scroll down if you put your cursor to the bottom of the list with a mod in your hand

like you would in a phone when moving an app

[tepid lintel]

Yeah, it is there, but doesn't really work neither 100% the time

When I drag the mod up, position it and release it, it ends up either on the end of the list, or like 20 slots down from the place I wanted to place it at.

Also, you don't sort the mods? Does this game even have load order?
I thought so, which is why I always put the library / utils / core mods above the ones that depend on them...

[main plume]

i've made 20 profiles and i haven't thought about load order in ages

i think it's just voodoo magic that it works

maybe there is load order but to me it hasn't mattered

keep doing it if you want to though nothing wrong with that

[main plume]

ahh there it is

yea holding around there scrolls it

but yeah

[main plume]

yeah im getting that too

only way around this is to do it without scrolling

so you grab it, drop it at the top and then scroll up and repeat

like if you're carrying 30 heavy money bags in payday 2

[tepid lintel]

Yeah...

[main plume]

you do it step by step instead of scrolling all the way to the goal

works for me that way

[main plume]

risk of rain 2 modding uses bep (because unity) and yeah never needed to bother there

or in bomb rush cyberfunk

or content warning ..

[tepid lintel]

Huh... ok... welp, thanks. I just found out tidying the modlist was a waste of time, but on the other and, more time saved in the future

[main plume]

nothing wrong with tidiness

atleast you got to revise your mods at a glance

[twin wigeon]

mod loading order doesn't tend to matter with LC modding anyway, most stuff that is likely to conflict is done through hooks that have their own priority system

[bold hornet]

i evapoerate every mod that loads after mine

[dreamy yoke]

I just published my modpack but it says Error 504 or something and I try to publish again for the second time, but it says modpack already exists. So, is my modpack successfully uploaded to the thunderstore or not?

[umbral herald]

Check on the thunderstore website

[dreamy yoke]

I just published it, it might not be there yet (if it does make it to the thunderstore)

[umbral herald]

It should appear almost immediately

otherwise it didn't upload successfully

[dreamy yoke]

Failed to upload pack - Failed to submit package: Package of the same namespace, name and version already exists.
should I upload it from the website then?

[frigid vault]

What's the name of your modpack?

[dreamy yoke]

SoLethalEssence

[frigid vault]

I see it on thunderstore. Are you trying to upload a new version?

[dreamy yoke]

no, that's the initial release

are you seeing SolethalTheme or SoLethalEssence?

[dreamy yoke]

wtf

[frigid vault]

I didn't realize at first, but modpacks are separated from mods.

Maybe that's why you didn't see it?

[dreamy yoke]

yeah I was in the modpack section

why my modpack betrayed me

[frigid vault]

Yeah, that's weird...

[dreamy yoke]

PepeCryRainbow

maybe I need to wait a little longer

holy shit my modpack is in nsfw

lmao

[frigid vault]

Ohhhhhh hahaha. I have that enabled to show by default, that would be why lol.

[dreamy yoke]

my bad

I feel so dumb

[umbral herald]

I want your input on this issue. Currently updating a mod doesn't override existing config files, which means modpack updates can't actually change the config outside of adding new files. However if it would overwrite, any custom settings would be erased each time you updated

I think r2modman overrides, but I'm not sure that's the best option 🤔

[bold hornet]

i've had my fair share of making a config, changing the default values, and to this day, 4 months later, i get people in my thread asking why the mod no longer works lol

overrides are good when done right

i heavily regret changing the default values 😂

[main plume]

yea

[umbral herald]

wdym? If you change the default values in the code doesn't they get updated by BepInEx?

[bold hornet]

only for new installs

by then i've had like 300k~ downloads so it was very irreversible lol

[umbral herald]

tmk bepinex only parses the option values in a config file, not the description, default, e.t.c.

[frigid vault]

Oof... That's a tough one. I like not having to worry about updating my configs after every update, and with 200+ mods in my pack that would be a pain lol. But I feel like there's an overwrite design that could work if done right.

[umbral herald]

Or wait, do you mean you included a default config file in your mod?

mods probably shouldn't do that either way

(to xiaolan)

[umbral herald]

If a mod adds a new config option it's added regardless of the file getting overriden

this is mostly related to modpacks

[bold hornet]

nah like my enemy mod had a spawn weight config where at first you would write "modded" and it'd work in modded moons, but then i changed the keyword for the default and only new people would have that default apply, the rest have to manually change it to the default

or delete config ofc

[umbral herald]

Ok

That isn't really helped by file overriding though

[frigid vault]

Oh gotchya, I mistook you to mean mod updates in general.

[dreamy yoke]

so if I want to update my modpack, I shouldn't do it in Gale?

[umbral herald]

Why would you not do it in gale?

[dreamy yoke]

which means modpack updates can't actually change the config outside of adding new files.
what is this mean? I'm not quite understand, sorry my English is bad

[umbral herald]

that is if you update a modpack that's in your profile, not upload a new version

[knotty sparrow]

be cool if when it goes to overide it finds and copies existing values to new config for pre-existing options but tbh that be on a mod devs to-do list

[umbral herald]

Probably not

Since then gale would have to parse and modify the files before installing

[vestal torrent]

I would think that a modpack would always override/replace any config files created by the modpack itself. This is behavior I would expect of installing a modpack.

[strange pollen]

I mean I would prefer it to override, especially since some config changes can literally make or break a pack

[wispy shoal]

couldn't it just see what configs are being added and overwrite them/delete the old ones? I never realized this was a thing. I have a modpack that I constantly tweak config values for and to know that they might not change is problematic

[umbral herald]

I mean honestly the whole modpack "system" is kind of wack

for example if you delete a mod from a modpack that won't affect people

but I'm gonna switch it to overwriting files instead

[wispy shoal]

yeah, the modpack system should probably also make it so that it won't autoupdate mods within the modpack since the modpack is usually based around mod versions

[untold turret]

love this mod, it doesn't crash every 3 seconds so it's already way better than thunderstore

[hallow reef]

Currently I tell the people I play with to create a new Gale profile and install the modpack for every new version of the modpack, that solves configs that have changed settings and mods that have been removed from the pack.

It would be awesome if for modpacks, Gale would do the following:

1. overwrite configs
2. removed mods no longer in the modpack (configs too?)
3. did not show the prompt to "Update all" unless the modpack itself has an update, and only update to the versions in the modpack manifest

Clicking "Update all" would do all the above?

Gale could recognise a Modpack just off the Thunderstore category tag we set when uploading the pack?

[iron carbon]

sorry if this is a common question but is a Linux version in the works?

[violet osprey]

We need a mac one too 🙏

[wispy shoal]

that would be awesome

I tend to just keep on top with mod versions as long as they are stable and log extensively in the changelog for removed mods and the sort, but I know most people don't read those

[green wind]

There is a linux version

[iron carbon]

oh i thought there wasn't since it says TBD on the github

ah shit i gotta build from source don't i 😭

[green wind]

there's an appimage in the releases, and it's available on AUR if you're using an Arch based distro

[iron carbon]

oooh thank you i should've checked there

[umbral herald]

I was thinking of adopting modrinths system of locked profiles

Where the only mod you could interact with is a modpack, and everything else is kept up to date with that

Maybe modpack profile is a better name

I dont think adding that functionality into normal profiles is good. For example if you just have a client-side "utility modpack" that would delete all of your other mods as soon as you updated it

[wispy shoal]

that sounds interesting. it would also solve the problem of if you are running 2 modpacks with the same mod, which version gets used

[umbral herald]

Well, no

You would only be able to have one modpack in a profile

or one that is interactable - you could have modpacks that the main one depends on

[hallow reef]

I'm cool with that, I manage 2 modpacks but the 2nd modpack is just an extension of the 1st Modpack so it is a dependency in the 2nd modpack manifest, a different profile is ideal for that

[umbral herald]

To be clear this is for using modpacks, not making them

[hallow reef]

Yeah I'll just tell my clients to have 2 profiles, they do now anyway

[umbral herald]

Update time! I hope this is one of if not the last update before 1.0

0.8.6

Added

• Option to filter out enabled mods
• Keyboard shortcuts for some of the menu items
• Custom launch arguments
• Window menu

Removed

• Home page with changelog. The default when starting the app is now the profile page instead.

Changed

• UI tweaks and fixes

Fixed

• Last updated showing NaN on Linux
• Sometimes being able to scroll the whole window
• Modpack updates not overriding existing config files

[hardy rover]

Hoorah

@umbral herald

After updating

LOL

[umbral herald]

umm

[hardy rover]

Yeahhh

[umbral herald]

try toggling the enabled filter

[hardy rover]

I'm guessing it just doesn't auto enable that cus it's new

Lol

[umbral herald]

disaster

[hardy rover]

You may wanna do a hotfix to make sure it auto enables

🤭

But yeah ty XD

Yeah it errors for browse mods too if that's not ticked

[umbral herald]

It works if you untick it though right?

it should be just before you've interacted with it

[hardy rover]

Yeah it does, weird

Still might be worth hotfixing so you don't get flooded with bug reports

[umbral herald]

It's javascript being javascript. Because it doesn't find the stored value of includeEnabled, it sets it to undefined without any warning or anything

[hardy rover]

Fun

New update is nice though and you finally fixed the pesky bug of scrolling the mod manager up and down

XD

[umbral herald]

yeah that was an old one

[hardy rover]

I'm surprised you got rid of the changelog page entirely

and glad you fixed the bug with mod updates not being able to overwrite configs if they include one

Glad I let you know about that 🤭

[umbral herald]

Yeah

it's only for modpacks btw

you wouldn't want a mod update to restore your config back to default

anyway hotfix is building

You might even be able to see it realtime
https://github.com/Kesomannen/gale/actions/runs/11138682350/job/30954058290

[hardy rover]

That's actually kinda cool to watch ngl

[umbral herald]

there we go

0.8.7

Fixed

• Mod list throwing errors before the Enabled filter is interacted with

[hardy rover]

was fun watching that tbh lol

[green wind]

I thought I was just having a skill issue with the NaN thing tbh lmao

[dreamy yoke]

I can't see the version number if the mod title is too long

[twin wigeon]

seems like the "Open directory" mod context menu option doesn't work anymore after updating possibly?

also, I'm not seeing any files changing from ".old" to their originals or vice versa when I toggle enable

[tepid lintel]

Seems the update fixed the problem with arranging mods.
They still bug a bit when moving them up the list in one go (drag up to scroll the list with the mod in hand).
But they no longer bug when you drag them up tile by tile, which is very good, I'm satisfied.

[tepid lintel]

Noticed two problems, anyone got them too?

• For some reason, mod configs stopped generating randomly (LethalMoonUnlocks for example, doesn't generate its config file, which it should)
• Deleted a mod, its config file keeps regenerating everytime I launch the game (Cleared mod cache, uninstalled unused mods.)

[umbral herald]

Yeah um might have broken uninstalling mods

[umbral herald]

^related to this issue

[tepid lintel]

Seems like it, guess I'll just roll back to an older version till that one's fixed. xD

[umbral herald]

another hotfix is coming soon

It's probably still going to be broken

the issue is because of a change in the data format

actually the old version might not work at all

[tepid lintel]

Ah, ok. I see

Guess ima go play something else for now and get back to messing around with mods later.

[umbral herald]

sorry about that 😅

update should be out in 15 minutes or so

I should really make some automated tests

[tepid lintel]

It's completely okay xD
I'll wait, good luck

[umbral herald]

Fix is out now

[tepid lintel]

Aight, thx! Genuinely thought it was just a problem happening to me at first cause stuff just keep breaking for me when it comes to this game for some reason. xD

[hardy rover]

@umbral herald does the new update also fix mods not updating properly?

I had updated a mod and it didn't update it like

At all

[umbral herald]

ok

Didn't know that

the latest update work on my machine though

[hardy rover]

found it out earlier

I had updated a mod and it didn't actually update the version

@umbral herald Yesh it's fixed now

I checked Zombies cus it had an update and it updated properly

Good

[stiff quest]

Are there plans for an option to support the OS's native title bar?

I prefer it over the embedded one tbh

[umbral herald]

no

seems too annoying

[wispy shoal]

I'm having a problem importing local mods and getting this error

Failed to import local mod - Invalid args `path` for command `import_local_mod`: command import_local_mod missing required key path.

[twin wigeon]

looks like local mods still can't be disabled/enabled, or at least two of the ones I have installed won't

[left aspen]

Oh thank you, you added the ability to turn off enabled so you can see what is disabled in the list, very very useful for removing stuff.

[wispy shoal]

I guess local mods are just broken rn

[proud prism]

F

[hardy rover]

@umbral herald

Can't import mods locally anymore

[umbral herald]

look at the previous messages 🙃

[hardy rover]

Hmmm

I don't wanna reinstall R2 for testing stuff

;c

[bleak dagger]

update to tauri 2.0 when?

rc2 doesn't count :3

[umbral herald]

it released 16 hours ago chill xD

[umbral herald]

So tauri changed the js API between rc versions and npm updated it automatically

kind of my fault for specifying it that way in the manifest

but I blame typescript for not giving proper type warnings

[bold hornet]

typescript not giving type warnings, definitely a first

[umbral herald]

Seems like if you don't open the file it doesn't analyse it

and it doesn't give any warnings when you compile/transpile to js

[umbral herald]

I know I might be focusing on the wrong things right now but doesn't this fade effect look cool?

[frosty sorrel]

yeah

[oblique niche]

will the outer wilds ost be included

[umbral herald]

I wish

[stuck cosmos]

How is this working currently? Considering switching from r2modman

[oblique niche]

great

[wispy shoal]

so how do I fex it?

or is that an "I need to update to fix this" thing

[umbral herald]

Needs an update

You could still place the mods into the profile's plugin folder. Gale won't recognize them, but they should launch just fine

[umbral herald]

here it is

0.8.9

Changed

• Minor UI improvements

Fixed

• Various issues with importing and managing local mods

turns out local mod dependencies were also broken

[main plume]

great

[left aspen]

So where is the changelog in app now?

[umbral herald]

gone

I was thinking of adding an "About" menu though, with a link to the github and version information

[left aspen]

fair enough, just checking. I suppose you could make it a menu under help, and maybe even have it pop up for the first open after an update. Just a thought, but I get it's extra work for not a lot of benefit.

[slow surge]

Dang, that's too bad. I really liked that feature.

[cerulean stream]

yeah liked reading whats new in recent versions

I have suggestion for checking updates via Help -> Check for app updates. Add some kind of feedback that the check was done successfully even if there is no newer version.

[main plume]

oh yea true

[main plume]

me too king

[hallow reef]

The thing I mainly liked about the home screen in Gale was that I would use it as the screen to refresh the mod list on. If you're already on the profile screen you won't see which mods need updating until you leave the profile screen and then return to it 😂

[signal jewel]

i installed gale and i am just getting this error and unable to use it

i downloaded it from the github btw

[marsh eagle]

I think the Thunderstore is just struggling because this happens to me in all the mod managers. Keep trying and it should work

I just wanted to come here and gush over Gale. Literally game changing. It's so fucking good

[signal jewel]

i been trying

hmm

just spamming it worked but i don't see why

[marsh eagle]

From what I hear, Thunderstore's implementation of multiple games is hacky and they weren't prepared for the popularity of LC, so the server just can't handle it I guess? Too many people at once/too many mods maybe?

[young sorrel]

@umbral herald

could there be a way to view changelogs in this menu so I can review changes before pushing update all?

[umbral herald]

This is a generic network error

your connection might be too slow or unstable

[signal jewel]

spectrum wifi things

[short star]

It was likely just an API outage

[scenic helm]

being able to click the green version number to bring up a change log would be great

[timid bridge]

well that's a fun error

have no idea waht's causing it

btw if you have a harddrive that has an ExFAT format

don't try to use it unless you switch it to NTFS

it will break stuff in weird ways

okay this error's also kind annoyin g

i'm trying to import a modpack from code and it's saying this

i'd understand if i hit Import from R2Modman

[umbral herald]

I wonder why this is happening

It's trying to just install BepInEx

Are you on the latest version?

[nimble bronze]

for some reason im unable to launch gale randomly, running the shortcut does nothing but opening task manager does show it running
ive tried reinstalling and restarting my pc

[umbral herald]

I've gotten a couple of reports of this lately

seems like the window is just not opening

not sure how to get any more information about it though

[nimble bronze]

yeah i was trying to find if there is a file it logs too but didnt find any

it happened after i was uninstalling some games but thats very likely not related

[umbral herald]

there is a log file but it seems like it doesn't log anything

[nimble bronze]

ah ok

[umbral herald]

https://github.com/Kesomannen/gale/issues/131

[nimble bronze]

Wonder if downgrading may help

Ah they also tried, shame

[timid bridge]

It was the latest version

I got it from thunderstore

[umbral herald]

Are you doing something weird with your drives?

[timid bridge]

I tried to put the storage directory on a drive that had an ExFAT file type

Which didn’t work (it froze the manager)

So i turned the harddrive into an NTFS

And then tried it

And it did let me

But when i tried to use a code it didn’t work still

R2’s on a different harddrive than gale rn

[near notch]

FWIW this is an issue with the CDN provider Thunderstore uses. The same file downloads without a hitch for one user, but then fails for another user. And usually spamming the same request ~5 times solves the issue, AND protects you from similar issues for a short while. It's so stupid and frustrating and the CDN provider seems to be unable to fix it. I don't have an ETA for migrating all the shit to another service provider, although I can't wait for the day.

[tranquil cradle]

Feature request: Being able to resize the window would be really nice. I'm pretty autistic with how wide or tall my applications are and not being able to change either of these is driving me a little crazy x3

[cerulean stream]

the window is resizable, although the minimum size is fairly big

[tranquil cradle]

I can't drag the sides of the window to make it longer or taller.

[cerulean stream]

I can just fine, any side or corner works

[tranquil cradle]

What da heck, imma relaunch it

Oh, now I can. Guess the version after installing doesn't have that. Very strange

Thanks xD

[cerulean stream]

problem solved 👍

np lol

[nimble bronze]

solved by reinstalling WebView2 Runtime and restarting

[wispy shoal]

I just found out that opening mods in your browser freezes the launcher (for some reason)

[umbral herald]

You mean clicking on a link to thunderstore from the app?

[wispy shoal]

yeah

[umbral herald]

Huh