Gale

[near wigeon]

Is this a known issue?

[umbral herald]

This was an issue specifically for version 0.5.7, but I haven't seen any reports since then

[near wigeon]

It still happens for me on 0.6.2

[umbral herald]

That's odd

do you have a really weak system or slow internet?

[hardy rover]

@umbral herald Seems the latest build has brought back the issue where you can scroll gale up and down off of the screen lol

[scarlet hound]

also still having issues where i have so many profiles, the default size isn't enough to fit them all and it bugs out lol

[pastel grove]

(thats why ideally it would be sick to let modders define the char's they prefer)

[twilit walrus]

how do i add beplnex

[quasi ridge]

install bepinexpack on your profile

[marsh eagle]

hi, i really like this mod manager so far but there is one thing ive noticed; it doesnt seem to play well with flatpak steam?
it will launch lethal company just fine, but no mods are applied. here is what my Steam executable and Steam library is set to, if that helps

[umbral herald]

Yeah, you're right

I'll add a github wiki page with docs when it's done

[warm topaz]

Question regarding this potential feature. Would you be able to add support for multiple char separators in one config option? An example being I have a config option that separates groupings by semicolon where the first “type” is a singular word followed by a colon which separates it from the second type that can have multiple words separated by comma

I figured this would be too complex for the mod manager, but you mentioning a wiki gave me a lil hope lol

[umbral herald]

yeah, that's a bit out of scope

[warm topaz]

All good, just figured I’d ask

If you wanna see how it’s used it’s my purchasePackCommands config option in darmuhsTerminalStuff

[stiff quest]

Why even install steam via flatpak?

[short star]

steam deck

[marsh eagle]

what? i highly doubt steamos actually uses a flatpak for steam itself

[marsh eagle]

for me, mainly just to limit what steam can access, not the most important i suppose
but there are immutable distros where flatpak is really the only option for that

[left aspen]

Flatpak is more accessible to people which is nice. Sadly I can't help I'm on the standard install.

Did come here to inform that Gale may not be recognizing some variations of BepInEx in other games like because I was using for LC I just loaded it up for V Rising today and

[ashen light]

Idk if this was asked already, but how do I uninstall a mod from a profile?

I can't find the answer if already

[ashen light]

nvmd, I just found it

[short star]

It does, why do you doubt it?

[marsh eagle]

I figured it would update on its own and the package gets updated with the system

[short star]

It’s most likely that it’s more convenient to bundle with the base OS as opposed to an already extracted application

[marsh eagle]

what?

the steam flatpak isnt even maintained by valve

[marsh eagle]

"--doorstop-target" "/home/dardel/.local/share/com.kesomannen.gale/lethal-company/profiles/[name]/BepInEx/core/BepInEx.Preloader.dll" noticed this in the launch arguments, i think i see the problem

let me grant it access to that folder

oh. cool, that was the issue. mods load now

for reference i just gave it this in flatseal

[umbral herald]

Hmm, it detects if the name starts with BepInExPack, so it should detect that

can you check the plugins dir and see if it ended up there

[ionic harness]

Some communities give the BepInEx package a different name :/ (just in case that wasn't considered)
Others still don't even use BepInEx etc etc.

[umbral herald]

I checked most of them and they all start with BepInExPack at least

and gale only has bepinex games right now

[ionic harness]

Start with yeah 🙂 Pretty fair to do BepInEx* or BepInExPack*

[near wigeon]

No

I have a ryzen 5 5600 with 32gb of ram and a rx6750xt

And my internet isn't slow

At least by the standards of my country lol

[cedar wren]

Love Gale but this has now happened to 3 people in our group, fixed their's by having them using all LC related things on one drive, however then it happened to me, who only has one SSD anyway 😭

Windows 11 LTSC, fresh install, one SSD for me
Other 2 have multiple SSDs, they've combined their game files now which may have fixed the problem (Windows 10 and 11 respectively)
For me, Loading one profile from a fresh install, works once then cannot be opened again until everything is wiped from the various %appdata% folders

Edit: We are all using the same profile created from Gale itself

[umbral herald]

This happened to some other people but I thought I fixed it

The problem is there's an empty profile folder somewhere. You can fix it without deleting everything by going to the gale data folder, then lethal-company and profiles. Then you'll have to look through all the sub folders and remove any empty ones.

[umbral herald]

Well, then I don't know

I can't really reproduce it

[velvet hare]

this happens every time for one of my friends

every time they close the launcher and reboot their pc then attempt to open gale again

[ionic harness]

Is that friend even remotely computer-savvy? There are a few things we could check if we have a system it reproduces on

[velvet hare]

um not particularly but we have Parsec installed on his pc

i mean yes remotely

[ionic harness]

For example, tree the folder when it works v.s. when it doesn't, see if something is getting deleted/corrupted.
shasum * under the profile folder to see if an antivirus or windows itself is modifying the fles, etc etc.

[velvet hare]

just send me reasonably detailed instructions on what i should to do gather info and i will do it next time we gather to play

[umbral herald]

I think I know what the issue is but sure 😅

[ionic harness]

Heck yeah. I was going down your logic of empty profile folder etc as above.

[velvet hare]

what you said seemed like user error but maybe i misinterpreted

[cedar wren]

None of the subfolders are empty at first glance, everything references the imported profile 🤔

[ionic harness]

Figured this was OneDrive or another folder-masking tool screwing with Gale's ability to see the folder.

[velvet hare]

it does it every time without failure no user error of making empty profiles or anything just simply importing my modpack then closing gale for the night and turning off pc

[umbral herald]

No, it's definitely a bug

[velvet hare]

oh ok ok

[umbral herald]

It's trying to read the profile.json file

[cedar wren]

In descending order of subfolders (can go further if needed, hopefully haven't self doxxed), no empty profile or anything of a similar description

[velvet hare]

otherwise it seems like the ReservedItemSlots issue just resolved itself but the mod and Gale were both updated so who knows. this is the only bug now that persists

for us

[ionic harness]

Right, so shasum should show a change in the file between when it reads and when it doesn't, if there's corruption, yeah?
Unless it's a known issue of corrupting the file during save? or there's some known dynamic field in there, etc. I haven't checked yet.

[umbral herald]

The file doesnt even exist so it shouldnt be corruption

[ionic harness]

Back to the OneDrive masking C:|Users\Name theory 😄

[umbral herald]

Gale must still be able to find the folder, otherwise it wouldn't try to read the manifest

[cedar wren]

Mine's running on LTSC Windows 11, so OneDrive hasn't been installed by default

[umbral herald]

my previous theory that it was caused by cancelling a profile import seems to be false

[ionic harness]

Good to know, in Windows 10 OneDrive was prolific. I'll have to look into LTSC when forced to Win11 😄

[cedar wren]

It's brilliant, Windows 11 is much comfier in LTSC, reminds me of 7

Right, narrowing it down further in my case

Creating profiles, deleting profiles, adding mods to existing profiles then deleting them, Gale works 100% flawlessly. However, if I import my profile, it'll work until it is reopened, and then is broken until reinstalled, with no empty profile folders to be seen in either appdata location. I've tried creating a profile with the same name as the import and then importing, but the error happens regardless. So potentially corrupt profile tbh, but the same profile is working on a friend's PC (who had an issue with SSDs and Gale)

Edit: Deleting BepInEx folder fixes it but crashes everytime Thunderstore is accessed... aka I don't know what i'm doing

I've got it! Profile name isn't being defined when importing, it's defaulting to blank and installing outside of a profile folder

If I select override profile it works after important

[velvet hare]

Weird thing is both the issue haver and my wife are on windows 10

One has the issue every time my wife has never had the issue

But I’ve hopped on parsec and done everything for him because I assumed it was user error

So I know there’s no deviation between both users and what they actions they are taking

So it must be something environmental

[left aspen]

Late reply but files seem to be where it's saying they aren't so little confused, checked to see if it was a capitalization or something but looks ok

[twilit walrus]

is there a reason why i cant update anything

everytime i try this pops up

[velvet hare]

Tolian doesn’t want you to update

[twilit walrus]

😦

[umbral herald]

looks like a network error

your connection probably got cut while downloading

[twilit walrus]

bra

how do i fix it

[umbral herald]

oh wait every time

maybe your firewall is blocking gale?

[naive jetty]

I have a simple question. R2modman doesnt allow to sort your modlist by last updated, is that possible with Gale?

[umbral herald]

yes

[naive jetty]

Awesome, switching right now

[umbral herald]

banger

[short star]

it does as part of the latest update 🤔

[naive jetty]

do you mean r2? it just says "install date"

but trying it out now it seems it sorts by last updated

[short star]

yes because your local mod list also works offline

but it’s from when you last updated the mod

[naive jetty]

i see, thanks

sorry bobbo not switching just yet

[robust lark]

🧊 cold

[sudden walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hypnotizing-hypnotizing-dog-hyptonizing-you-hypnotizing-you-собака-гипнотизирует-gif-14437882061713379771

you will switch to gale mod manager

[umbral herald]

Wait, why does it end it Core?

the LC one doesn't do that

🫠

is it BepInEx 6 or smth?

omg it is that

WHY

@short star how does r2 detect BepInEx v6? Just manually set for each game?

[short star]

you might prefer Gale, always worth giving it a go

[hardy rover]

I agree

[short star]

There’s a doorstop_version file included in the TS uploads

If it’s not there, v5, otherwise read the doorstop version

[umbral herald]

so doorstop v4* = bepinex v6?

[short star]

whatever it does in the code base

it hasn’t been touched for like 2-3 years

[umbral herald]

alr, time to go digging

[short star]

It’s in one of the resolvers

The funky arg logic we have, the @strings

The doorstop argument you pass into v6 is also different

[umbral herald]

Yeah I have that

Umm, r2 doesn't seem to account for this?
https://github.com/ebkr/r2modmanPlus/blob/develop/src/r2mm/launching/instructions/GameInstructionParser.ts#L52C66-L53C177

Here it looks like it only checks for BepInEx.Preloader.dll, not BepInEx.Preloader.Core.dll

[short star]

You call the IL2CPP one

[umbral herald]

ah ok

[steep dagger]

Is it just me or is anyone else getting weird decimal values? I type in 0.1, and when I come back to it later it appears as 0.10000000149011612, which is ok since its pretty much the same number, but its odd to look at.

(In the configs in a decimal field)

[velvet hare]

the modpack creator in gale is so goated

[umbral herald]

float imprecision shenanigans

there have been multiple convos about it but no real solution :/

[steep dagger]

Its probably fine then

[umbral herald]

yeah, I don't think those values are even being written

it's just the UI

[kind ravine]

fr gale is simply just better imo

[kind ravine]

true, its the only reason i made a modpack

[ashen light]

Bug Report: Attempting to change mod version Crashes Gale

[ashen light]

nvmd, it fixed

thanks devs

youre the best

Feature Request: Config Search searches inside configs as well as names

[umbral herald]

I don't think that would be too useful, most options names need the context

and there would probably also be a performance issue

[twilit walrus]

nope i restarted my pc abd it started working

no idea why it happens tho

[wild topaz]

is there a way to delete mods with their dependencies?

[velvet hare]

rather than dependants?

[wild topaz]

Yeah

[velvet hare]

i dont think so

[wild topaz]

Like when I delete a modpack mods from it stay there

[velvet hare]

i dont understand why you'd want to do the inverse tho?

ohhhh

yea

its because the modpack itself isnt a true dependency

it might work if the modpack is added to another modpack as a dependency lol

but im not sure

aka thunderstore limitation

[wild topaz]

[copper latch]

Failed to execute 'query_profile' - Package with id 13f810ec-86ab-44a4-b9da-8b40807a55f0 not found.

what is this ? i can't charge my modpack

Failed to execute 'import_code' - Failed to resolve mod references: package NiceHairs-NuclearLib not found.
i can't even import pack

[umbral herald]

Hmm, try restarting gale

[copper latch]

already tried

[bleak dagger]

won't do anything, that package got axed yesterday for opening a steam store page

[umbral herald]

Ok

gale does not handle that well currently 😅

[copper latch]

how to recover my pack ? im working on it for month

[umbral herald]

You'll have to go into the profile.json file (inside the profile folder) and remove the entry which has 13f810ec-86ab-44a4-b9da-8b40807a55f0 in it

[bleak dagger]

remove symbiosis

too

[umbral herald]

You can't see any mods if one is missing, soo

[umbral herald]

    {
      "enabled": true,
      "installTime": "...",
      "packageUuid": "13f810ec-86ab-44a4-b9da-8b40807a55f0",
      "versionUuid": "6616a9c3-5fcb-4143-bdbe-3353c682c2b9"
    },
```remove this in the file

[copper latch]

my pack brocked when i installed symbiosis

[bleak dagger]

yeah

[copper latch]

done

worked thanks

[umbral herald]

np, i'm gonna make it handle that better

[kind ravine]

i think i found why dropdown arrows dont work in gale sometimes

i think thje bullet points break it

it works on things without buillet points

nvm

fuck

guess ill see if there is another reason why

idk i give up

[kind ravine]

wghat's wrong with symbiosis?

[robust lark]

the library it depends on is rejected pending a change and I still haven't heard back from the maintainer

[kind ravine]

oh ok

[bleak dagger]

fyi there's been a new upload under a new name

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/NiceHairs/NuclearLibrary/

no steam link

[robust lark]

that breaks all the existing packages that depend on it, the author just needs to tell me they fixed the old one and we can reinstate it

[bleak dagger]

@feral trout

[feral trout]

[kind ravine]

help

nevermind i just had to reload the mod manager

[umbral herald]

Same issue as above, this is due to a mod being removed from thunderstore

[kind ravine]

yeah it worked when i just rebooted the app thopugh

[umbral herald]

yeah that's a bit odd

maybe it just didn't have time to overwrite the existing cache

can you still see NuclearLib?

[kind ravine]

well yeah i could until i deleted it from myh pack

[feral trout]

replace NuclearLib with NuclearLibrary

[robust lark]

I will never understand this community

[crystal pagoda]

I'm sorry but what was it even taken down for in the first place

[sour hornet]

im not sure if u take bugs here, but something i noticed us that the mod count of a profile doesnt update until u close and open the app

[umbral herald]

that package got axed yesterday for opening a steam store page

[crystal pagoda]

oh what the fuck how did i skim over that

LMAO

😭

yeah uhh id say thats reasonable dude what

[sudden walrus]

what game was it out of curiosity

[umbral herald]

dunno

ask one of the thunderstore staff

[sudden walrus]

im not gonna bother lol i was just curious if anyone knew

[warm topaz]

@sudden walrus #modding-general message think this is it

[sudden walrus]

i see

[calm current]

Is there any known cause for why gale might taker al ong time to fetch mods?

[umbral herald]

It depends on your internet speed and the selected game. Lethal company has extremely many mods and so it needs to fetch around 150 MB of data

[warm topaz]

have you given any more thought to a "refresh all mods" button that grabs the latest listing from thunderstore? Basically this from r2 but as a button in like the file menu or something?

[robust lark]

Honestly, that button is not very useful. The package cache is 180mb, it only needs updating when the cloudflare and TS site caches are updated so its really unlikely you need to press that button

Updating more often than like once every 30-60 minutes doesn't accomplish anything but make you feel better, sorry to say

[warm topaz]

damn, I kinda figured after spamming it once though

[sudden walrus]

yeah, but it's annoying having to wait for the program to automatically refresh if you know the update is up. you have to manually close and reopen if you wanna refresh the list

there is utility to having a refresh button, it just won't do anything until the thunderstore cache has updated

[robust lark]

middle ground: have the button but put it on a 15 minute cooldown every time Gale updates the cache :3

[warm topaz]

i'd be happy with this

[ashen light]

Bug Report: Sometimes while searching the online mod list while Gale is Fetching, the client hardlocks up

[velvet hare]

I have also had this issue

[calm current]

R2modman ended up revealing what the cause was too

[umbral herald]

That's not it, the mod fetching isn't from the CDN

[calm current]

Oh huh

[sour hornet]

it keeps giving me this errors upon trying to check the mods in my profile "Failed to execute 'query_mods_in_profile' - Package with id 13f810ec-86ab-44a4-b9da-8b40807a55f0 not found."

[umbral herald]

This means a mod was removed from thunderstore

for now you have to manually edit the profile file to fix it

[sour hornet]

Is there anyway i can figure out what it is

Are there any popular mods that recently got removed

[sour hornet]

i narrowed it down to symbiosis its still having the same issue

[robust lark]

In this very thread, just yesterday, we discussed that symbiosis's dependency library, Nuclear Lib, got bonked

And for some reason it was reuploaded under a new name with the fixes instead of the same one so I could reinstate it so now all 1500 packages that rely on it are stranded

[hardy rover]

After the move the dev pulled I probably won't use his stuff anymore, was kind of a sus move imo

[sour hornet]

i removed nuclear lib and symbiosis in the files but im still having the same issue

[robust lark]

Goodness, what are the odds that you have multiple removed mods in your pack?

[velvet hare]

I was curious about this, wondered why they opted to change the name lol

[robust lark]

I have no idea

[velvet hare]

Import it to R2modman then export it again to import back to Gale?

spitballin

[kind ravine]

dev responded to my message in their thread asking about it just saying "yes"

[quiet pulsar]

Hey, just saw that you posted this solution, in troubleshooting this same error I decided to delete my profile and now am trying to redownload it to delete symbiosis, but can do that through the json as its not there anymore

Any ideas on how to recover my pack?

[sudden walrus]

if you still have the profile json, you can manually delete the nuclearlib entry and it should be fine

[quiet pulsar]

Unfortunately I dont which is what im tryin to find a solution for

[sudden walrus]

do you still have an old code or something?

[quiet pulsar]

We might be onto something. I ran my whole hdd thorugh a data recovery program and may have found the old json

[sudden walrus]

that should work given it's not messed up

[quiet pulsar]

Looks good and correct to me

fingers crossed

now how do I get this to work once i delete the mod form it?

[sudden walrus]

make a folder in lethal-company/profiles and then put profile.json in that folder?

[quiet pulsar]

Do you know how I figure out which UUID is for nuclearlib

[sudden walrus]

should be the one in this screenshot

13f810ec-86ab-44a4-b9da-8b40807a55f0

[quiet pulsar]

Do you know how id get my configs back as well? Would it be able to download them?

[sudden walrus]

definitely not, unless you can find those on your hard drive as well, or you have an old code

[quiet pulsar]

im gna try and see if thunderstore downloads differently. Maybe it will recover some from the code

I recovered the files, but not not sure they are correct

Dang. it worked

problem solved

[sudden walrus]

if you got them from the code then yeah you're all good

glad you got it working

[quiet pulsar]

ty for help dude

appreciate it

almost had a mini heart attack haha, thought I lost all that work

[velvet hare]

this gonna seem like a dumb question but what is the directory for the gale cache folder

[sudden walrus]

AppData\Local\com.kesomannen.gale

[muted helm]

wtf is causing this

constantly

i have to uninstall gale with revo uninstaller and reinstall it

[umbral herald]

An important file has been removed

[hardy rover]

I swear I remember hearing shady things about revo uninstaller but I might be tripping

[umbral herald]

Can you go the gale data folder and check all the sub folders (might just be lethal-company)

They should all contain a game.json, otherwise something's fishy

[umbral herald]

I'm not sure what revo uninstaller does, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't actually remove gale's data

neither does the normal uninstaller, but revo is definitely luring you into a false sense of security that everything is gone

[velvet hare]

This happens if you don’t name the mod profile and leave it selected when you close Gale @umbral herald

I’m assuming it can’t find it because it isn’t named anything so it’s just blank and returns no match like if you deleted files

[umbral herald]

No, that's the failed to read profle manifest

this is something different

[velvet hare]

I’ve been having the same issue randomly it seems

I thought it was because I didn’t realize I wasn’t naming the profile anything upon importing by file

[umbral herald]

I don't think that's it

also that bug is fixed in the next update

[calm current]

Afaik revo is safe and fine, but it does give false positives if somethign shares a ismilar nbame or developer of a program so it might delete fiels from other programs you dont want it too if you're nto careful

[umbral herald]

I'm trying to publish 0.7 but the github action stopped working 😐

[ionic harness]

Check our TSPublish action in Github 😄 (compare and contrast, see if anything's different, etc.)
https://github.com/LethalCompanyModding/BepinExPlugin-ThunderstorePublishing/blob/main/.github/workflows/publish.yml
1 job, 4 steps, simple.

[robust lark]

Looks like you did something to your Tauri.conf.json file?

[umbral herald]

I (or rather a contributor) upgraded to tauri v2

I asked in the tauri dc server, we'll see if anyone has answers

[umbral herald]

It's a problem with the tauri action, not the ts publishing

[robust lark]

Does the Tauri github runner support that? It sounds like it doesn't based on how its complaining about unknown fields

[robust lark]

Yea, I opened up that log earlier

I would say: Quick and Dirty fix is just un-upgrade and pin to tauri v1 cuz the runner is out of your control rn

[umbral herald]

There's a ton of breaking changes so I'd rather not

[robust lark]

That sucks

[umbral herald]

I think tauri-action supports v2 some way atleast, otherwise this in their example wouldn't make sense

but there's no other mention of it in the docs and no separate branch

[umbral herald]

Also a little fun fact, gale uses my fork of tcli in the action and compiles the cli from scratch every time xD

[robust lark]

for what purpose?

[low pivot]

Wait, Do I have to update gale manually?

[umbral herald]

I needed dynamic file includes ("src-tauri/target/release/bundle/msi/*.msi") and there's a bug when specifying no dependencies (which #100 fixes but it seemed very dead)

[umbral herald]

no, but the update is stalled

but once I figure out how to fix this the auto updater should work like normal

[robust lark]

so is your fork of tcli pinned to v1 somehow then?

[umbral herald]

No, that was just a fun fact

[robust lark]

weeh

[low pivot]

Oh, so can I update it manually for the time being at least?

[umbral herald]

No, sorry if I worded that incorrectly. There's an error/bug with the build process for gale, so I can't build the new update at all (until the error is fixed)

[low pivot]

Ooooh, my bad

Hope you get it sorted it out and stuff tho, goodluck<3

[left aspen]

Hasn't come up much, but a feature to sort by what is disabled would be helpful in long lists. Like we can exclude disabled, but we can't exclude enabled or have them group up so we can find them. This is mostly a problem when your list is 100+ mods to be fair.

[velvet hare]

Revo is super nice honestly

CCleaner has the same reputation from bundling the Ask toolbar for awhile but it’s also great

[hardy rover]

@umbral herald Gale update incoming? The changelog is appearing even though you haven't dropped the update lol

[robust lark]

Nah, he's working on figuring out why the tauri runner broke after updating to v2

[kind ravine]

friend got this error too

he uninstalled and reinstqalled it and now it gives this error

[kind ravine]

hwelp

[kind ravine]

nvm i just had them delete the gale folder in roaming and it fixed it

[umbral herald]

I made a local build to see if that worked and umm

🫠

[thick bloom]

~~Will just copy a question from about a month ago:

Looks like Gale doesn't import config files from profile codes?
I imported a profile (yesterday) and no config files were imported

Is this as intended? Will I have to send configs manually to every user of my pack? Or does this happen only with codes from r2modman or something?~~

UPD: hmm, seems like most mod configs were imported. But I see at least one mod that lost its settings: LethalCompanyVariables. It seems, though, that it does not have config at all. My friends using code from the r2modman had its settings included as expected...

UPD2: fixed this by launching the game from the r2mod, using ingame mod option 'save config to clipboard', then relaunching and pasting config in Gale. That was weird. Hope it will include that config on Gale mod export...

Great manager btw, fast and with sorting by updates

[kind ravine]

hmmm I am guessing that you didn't reinstall it after removing that folder

or I had my friend remove another folder that I forgot about

[umbral herald]

what?

[kind ravine]

idk I thought you were responding to me

all I know is that I somehow fixed the issue for my friend that I was describing

[calm current]

Apparentrly switching games still causes Gale to just.. Launch lethal company? Which is weird

[green wind]

Switching games seems to work fine for me, tho I'm using the appimage on Arch Linux

[quasi ridge]

are you able to sort pinned mods to the top of the list

because this seems sort of silly

if you dont exclude modpacks, it doesn't even show up on screen unless you scroll down

comparison with thunderstore's webpage

[digital jungle]

Thank you for the great updates! This is for sure the best launcher

[digital jungle]

@umbral herald Is the manager supposed to be on version 0.6.2 or 0.7.0? Because the changelog says 0.7.0 but the download version on thunderstore / github is still 0.6.2 and I don't seem to have the new features on my app.

[umbral herald]

There are problems with the publishing pipeline, so the update is delayed for now

I'll hide the version in the changelog though

[sudden walrus]

any updates on that? did you get a reply back from anyone?

[umbral herald]

nope

not sure what to do

[sudden walrus]

and you can't roll back to the old version of tauri because of some of the changes in 0.7.0?

[umbral herald]

yeah

I don't even want to imagine the amount of merge conflicts

plus, that would really just delay the inevitable and make migrating harder in the future

[umbral herald]

oh I forgot about this issue

maybe I should revert the migration

[umbral herald]

omg I think the action working

[warm topaz]

[ionic harness]

braaaaaaaaaaaaaaanches 😄

I'm so glad you're almost peaking out of dep hell though! I know how much that hurts.

[umbral herald]

dont think branches would help here..

apparently they renamed
TAURI_KEY_PASSWORD to TAURI_SIGNING_PRIVATE_KEY_PASSWORD
and
TAURI_PRIVATE_KEY to TAURI_SIGNING_PRIVATE_KEY

and that's why it wasn't working

some docs would be nice

It finally worked

0.7.0

Added

• Simple CLI for choosing game, profile and launching games through the command line
• Resizable text input and list editor for long config entries
• Changelog field and automatic changelog generation in modpack exporter
• More game icons (#58 and #61)
• Local mod import from zip (#57)

Changed

• Various UI tweaks

Fixed

• Restricted profile names further, which should fix "failed to read profile manifest" error on startup
• "BepInEx preloader not found" error when launching IL2CPP games
• Window size and position not persisting between sessions
• Having many profiles causing the profile dropdown to go off-screen
• Crash when changing the version of certain mods
• Dependencies not being installed when changing the version of a mod
• Local mod icons not being displayed (finally)
• "Failed to execute 'query_mods_in_profile'" error when viewing a profile with deleted mods
• "Visiting" a new game and immediately switching back causing a "Failed to read game save data" on the next launch

auto updater seems to be broken though, I'll look into it

[vital mason]

no .exe this time?

[umbral herald]

I found out how to remove it

(you weren't supposed to use it anyway)

[vital mason]

but i liked it as it allowed me to install gale w/o the UAC prompt

[umbral herald]

hotfix

0.7.1

Fixed "Invalid type: map ..." errors when importing profile from file and editing path settings

[pallid sky]

Hello!
I've been using Gale lately and I've noticed that it usually indicates if there is a new update.
In this case, for 0.7.0, I have not received any box to update the version, having to do it manually. Is this intentional?

[umbral herald]

No, I think something with tauri v2 broke it

[ripe carbon]

Latest build hard crashes for me anytime I click on "edit mod config" at least when its fetching mods

[umbral herald]

Huh ok, could you send the profile code?

[ripe carbon]

sure

[ripe carbon]

0191042e-cdfa-c956-9434-85ad6c0a1b09

[umbral herald]

Ok I found the issue

It should fix itself if you edit anything in the profile (disable/enable/install/uninstall mod)

[ripe carbon]

Ty that worked but now I'm having another problem with the latest build :P

[vital mason]

yeah somehow all the bepinex files got marked with the .old extension

[profile]/BepInEx/core

[umbral herald]

what how

that didn't happen for me

[umbral herald]

not sure how that error even happened, if it couldn't find the BepInEx files there would be a more descriptive error

[ripe carbon]

I reinstalled the modpack and it fixed itself idk

Ty for the help earlier though

[umbral herald]

np

hehehe

I'm thinking about switching out the font for a non-rounded version

which one do you think looks better?

wait its the same picture

[bold hornet]

Yeah second one is just lower quality version of 1st

[umbral herald]

one second

You can only see the difference on the bold text, even then it's pretty subtle

but I think I like the sharp one better

wow it's even more subtle in the pictures

[stiff quest]

Interesting font, but kinda hard to read 🤔

[hardy rover]

@umbral herald the update available button isn't showing up for me so I can get the new update

;c

[umbral herald]

yeah it broke with the tauri v2 upgrade

[hardy rover]

I even tried manually checking XD

Got you

Manual update time it is c;

[umbral herald]

I'll fix it in the next update

which you also will have to manually update to since it's a client error 😅

[hardy rover]

lol

[sudden walrus]

ror2mm:// links are broken in 0.7.1. you can't install anything from the thunderstore website

tried in both chrome and firefox, neither work

gale also cannot launch my main profile for some reason
Failed to launch game - The system cannot find the path specified. (os error 3).

okay, it was because BepInEx got deleted for some reason

it also inexplicably broke my profile, so i had to reinstall everything

i'm thinking i should just downgrade to 0.6.2 for the time being

[umbral herald]

I'll have to look into this more, such a weird error

[umbral herald]

In what way?

[sudden walrus]

i was getting a ton of errors when trying to start a lobby, so i went through everything and hit "Change version" and reinstalled the latest and that fixed it

[umbral herald]

oke

[sudden walrus]

rolled back to 0.6.2, i can confirm this is now working again

[glacial sage]

Dumb question but is there a way to sort so all disabled mods go the bottom? or to filter out to just disabled?

[left aspen]

You fixed the scroll bar, yay!

[umbral herald]

I did? Yay!

[hardy rover]

Yeah you did, if you scroll the manager doesn't scroll up and down off the screen anymore XD

I still wonder how that came back with V0.6.2 lol

[low pivot]

Um, my friend was having an issue selecting the directory in the latest version
I told him to revert to 6.2 and it let him just fine

I honestly don't know if it was just an issue on his end only but I thought I should mention it here just in case

[umbral herald]

oh wait you want just disabled

I misread sry, gale doesn't have that

[umbral herald]

There's an issue with the UI where it doesn't update until you refresh the page, but it should work fine otherwise

[stiff quest]

💀

[umbral herald]

wow

My source folder is bigger though xD

rust debug builds are so insanely big

[stiff quest]

Holy

[ionic harness]

Are we including the dependency tree all the way to the beginning of time, or just direct build deps?
Oh nvm, even with "deps to the beginning of time" my go is only 2GB lol.

$ z go && du -hs *
323M    bin
1.7G    pkg
105M    src
$ z Concrete2 && du -hs .
466M    .
``` I'm legit curious what rust does that makes it so giant.

[bleak dagger]

99 billion different versions of crates

z requires x 1.3
y requires x 1.4
etc etc

tauri is like 300 something crates standalone

[ionic harness]

😦

[keen fjord]

Game directory override might've broken again? It says not set regardless of setting it to anything, and tries to just find the game within the main library anyway (for reference, I have lethal on C: but my main steam library is on E:)
I just changed the main library setting as a workaround for now, but maybe worth mentioning

[young sorrel]

I can second that, I cannot set the steam library directory or the override directory. If I change the values in the .json file gale crashes.

[umbral herald]

Apart from the hundreds of crates rust also dumps a ton of IR and debug symbols which dont get optimized away in debug builds

but the final binary is below 5 MB

even with the sveltekit app and all the game icons

[umbral herald]

0.7.2

Changed

• Switched UI font to a non-rounded version

Fixed

• Crash when entering the config editor
• Path settings not saving correctly
• Decrease latency when moving data, temp or cache directories on the same volume
• Auto updater not showing up (not retroactive; you still need to manually update to this version)
• Additional files like mod manifests being included in file, code and modpack exports

[umbral herald]

oh also you can get it from here now http://kesomannen.com/gale

[upper cedar]

As someone who preferred the rounded font, is there a possibility of just adding a font setting that allows selecting from installed fonts?

[digital jungle]

Website is a nice touch but my god the cursive font is awful

[umbral herald]

on the website?

or what

[umbral herald]

Maybe

[digital jungle]

On the website

[umbral herald]

it should look like this

[digital jungle]

Huh

[umbral herald]

whaa

[umbral herald]

looks fancy I must say

but yeah definitely not intentional

[upper cedar]

Looks normal to me

[umbral herald]

I pushed a new update

it's going to be up in just a minute

[copper latch]

hello i can't change the version of the mod "doorbreach", gale close when im tring to retroupdate the mod

[umbral herald]

Are you on the latest version (0.7.2)?

[copper latch]

nop, 0.6.2 the update don't show up

[umbral herald]

0.7.0 fixes that issue, but you'll have to update manually because the updater broke

[steep dagger]

I think the list view button is covering the end of the text, which isn't a big problem since you can just go into list mode, but it might cause problems for other people

[sudden walrus]

still broken in 0.7.2 :/

Failed to open gale log - Failed to open log file: Launcher "cmd" "/c" "start" "" "C:\Users\PC\AppData\Local\com.kesomannen.gale\logs\log.log" failed with ExitStatus(ExitStatus(1)).

[steep dagger]

Same

[sudden walrus]

doesn't seem to affect anything but "--dorstop-enable" should be "--doorstop-enable"

think i'm just gonna stick to 0.6.2 for the time being

[cunning rapids]

this is correct

doorstop old version had grammar issue in param name

[sudden walrus]

r2modman uses --doorstop-enable though

[cunning rapids]

hm

[umbral herald]

that's incorrect but as you say it works anywa

[sudden walrus]

discovered why this is, it's because the logs folder is in AppData/Roaming and not AppData/Local

[umbral herald]

ohhh that's why, I've been confused by that error for so long

but why it is it trying to open that 🤔

[short star]

fwiw “dorstop-enable” doesn’t work, the default behaviour is just to have it enabled anyway

so really it’s not doing much

the reason we have it on r2mm is because start vanilla sets it to false, so it makes sense to apply the inverse when starting modded

command line args override values in the doorstop config file so it also makes sense as an extra redundancy option

[crystal pagoda]

praying this scrolling bug gets fixed eventually

for some reason on pages with scrolling, you can scroll the entire window when you're at the very top or bottom

[kind perch]

Hey, Could you share your mod profile code with me? It looks interesting

[crystal pagoda]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/dopadream/Dreamscape/

its big tbf

[upper cedar]

[Suggestion] Remove individual mods from Update All

(An "ignore updates" option would be most ideal, but this is an alternative )

[sudden walrus]

would like an ignore updates option as well

[kind perch]

this, i really hate the forced "update all" thing

[upper cedar]

oooo just thought of another one: click the new version number on the Update All screen to see that mod's changelog, or click the mod's name to go to it

[sudden walrus]

for now you can replace the cache in AppData/Roaming/com.kessomanen.gale/cache for the latest version of the mod you would like to keep downgraded and then update the mod, it will pull from the cache which is actually the old version but since the mod manager thinks it's the new version it won't have any pending updates

[hallow reef]

Ayyyy that's smart

[umbral herald]

I feel like that could cause some confusion in the future, but it should work

Do it at your own risk 😄

[sudden walrus]

yeah i just gotta remember to undo it

[hardy gale]

Anyone else not able to load their profiles and getting this message 3 times?
Failed to execute 'query_profile' - Package with id 13f810ec-86ab-44a4-b9da-8b40807a55f0 not found.

[umbral herald]

Are you on the latest version (0.7.2)?

[hardy gale]

I hit help and hit "check for app updates" and nothing happens so I assume that means I'm updated?

[sudden walrus]

you need to manually update to newer versions

[fresh flicker]

if you were on 0.6.2 or newer you need to manually update to 0.7.2, if you were on 0.6.1 it automatically updates to 0.7.2 or at least it seemed like it updated

[hardy gale]

oh ok thanks

[hardy gale]

Ok now I'm getting this on launching the game
Failed to launch game - The system cannot find the path specified. (os error 3).

[pallid sky]

you can check the version of the modmanager on the changeloc down right corner.
also, for me it's not auto-updating so it's worth checking

[visual galleon]

when do u think this is reaching 1.0? ive been wanting to try this but wanna wait til fully stable release

[hardy gale]

I updated to 0.7.2 but im getting an error on game launch now

[sudden walrus]

you probably need to reinstall bepinex

[hardy gale]

Ok thanks that worked.
Oddly when I hit "install with mod manager" on thunderstore it just opens another instance of Gale and doesn't install it.
I had to find bepinexpack in Gale's "browse mods" section to install it

[sudden walrus]

yeah that is an issue currently

[hardy gale]

Wow. It looks like Gale broke more than just bepinex. Every time I tried to load a save it would softlock the game.
I exported and imported my profile and that fixed it.

[valid veldt]

Hey i try to import a profile from R2M but i got this error : error while importing from r2modman - Failed to import profile 'pack': failed to resolve mod references: package NiceHairs-NuclearLib not found

[robust lark]

NuclearLib doesn't exist anymore

The author reuploaded it as NuclearLibrary and stranded 1500 dependents on the old, now removed, version

[valid veldt]

Oh okay

[umbral herald]

I'm hoping soon, but considering the amount of bugs (as you can see here 😅) I don't know

But I think I'm done with new features before 1.0, so there will probably not be a 0.8

I'm also looking to do a bigger refactor and an update to svelte 5, but that'll stay until past 1.0

[low pivot]

Bro gale uses alot of my wifi

That was in the span of a month

[umbral herald]

Yeah, mods can get pretty big

And the package index is also like 150mb

That's just how it is 😐

[low pivot]

R2 didn't use that much tho, it's cuz of the fetching mods from thunderstore thingy

I'm poor N this hurts my wifi usage

[umbral herald]

You sure r2 didn't use as much in proportion to how much you use it?

[umbral herald]

R2 also does the exact same thing, I think it even refreshes with a shorter interval

[low pivot]

Yeah

I promise it didn't do it that many times

[umbral herald]

Afaik it does it every startup and every 20 minutes or so

[low pivot]

Gale does it every 5 mins here it feels like

[umbral herald]

It's 15

I think

[low pivot]

Can't there be an option where if it's ticked on, it doesn't fetch it unless you press on the browse mods page?

Or like a refresh button

Pwease

I know im asking for too much, sorry

[umbral herald]

Yeah, I'll see what I can do

[low pivot]

Ty<3

nikoSad

[umbral herald]

For now you can (other than closing the app) switch to a game with less games while gale is in the background

[low pivot]

I forget to close it most of the time (Which is my fault)

But when I do forget it fucks me up fr fr

[umbral herald]

Sorry about that

It would be nice if the thunderstore api was better so mod managers wouldn't have to fetch every package under the sun

[low pivot]

It's not your fault man

I feel like it's just unfortunate that some of us have shitty internet

I also feel bad for asking for such a feature

[fallen shadow]

11:55:40 [ERROR] failed to run CLI! failed to parse arguments: error: unexpected argument 'ror2mm://v1/install/thunderstore.io/Zehs/Whiteboard/1.1.0/' found

Usage: gale.exe [OPTIONS]

For more information, try '--help'.
: error: unexpected argument 'ror2mm://v1/install/thunderstore.io/Zehs/Whiteboard/1.1.0/' found

Usage: gale.exe [OPTIONS]

For more information, try '--help'.

log.log

any advice? installation reopens the program and installs nothing

[bleak dagger]

im being goiled

[pallid sky]

the API Token key is not saving when closing gale, I have to copy the key every time when I wanna updload/update a modpack

[steep ermine]

how can i select extra files to include in the modpack export?

[umbral herald]

What kind of files?

You can't add any random file but the checklist should include everything needed for mods

[steep ermine]

images for emblem needed for a custom main menu

[umbral herald]

ah ok, that's currently not supported

You'd have to make a separate mod for the custom main menu and include it in your modpack

[umbral herald]

The "Install with mod manager" button broke when I upgraded a dependency

and I've been trying to fix it but no one seems to have an answer

so... it will hopefully be fixed sometime

[umbral herald]

I'm cooking

[sudden walrus]

oh that's hype

what about a per-mod ignore updates thing

[umbral herald]

yeah, it's also coming

would you prefer to ignore individual versions or just every future update for a mod?

[warm topaz]

might be smarter to avoid individual versions by default and then have a checkbox to avoid all future versions?

like if theres known issues with a specific version number it makes sense to avoid that version, but then versions after that might have fixed the issue?

[sudden walrus]

yeah i was gonna say both sounds like the best choice

but i think individual versions is enough if we can only have one. as a treat 🥺

[umbral herald]

Yeah, makes the implementation much easier

[warm topaz]

thats fair

[crystal pagoda]

i love you gale

im way too lazy to do this so the automation here is amazing

[stiff quest]

Terbium causes issues with config files btw

[crystal pagoda]

what kind? ive been playtesting with someone for a while with it and nothing bad happened

[stiff quest]

Config values may not apply.

Lunx noticed that on stream

[crystal pagoda]

do they still load fine or does it only create issues with applying settings ingame

[stiff quest]

There will be no error messages, but you may notice config options being ignored or not matching.

For example, the shockwave drone had issues

[crystal pagoda]

I see, okay, thank you for the heads up

[stiff quest]

You're welcome ^^

[bold hornet]

Didnt she later say it was her fault/shockwave drones fault?

[stiff quest]

It worked fine after uninstalling Terbium

@hardy rover, do you mind confirming/debunking my claim?

[hardy rover]

The issues Terbium causes are that it lowers performance

The other bug with Terbium was fixed a while ago

[stiff quest]

Oh, didn't know that one.

Probably because of missing changelog..

[hardy rover]

Terbium is no longer necessary anyways, the new update for LethalPerformance handles config optimizations way better

[left aspen]

Found a new bug on Linux side. .deb when trying to export profile as file, the window it pops up isn't for saving a file, but for folder selection. And when selected, proceeds to open my file manager to that folder? KDE Plasma (desktop) and Dolphin (files) might matter.
I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of it trying to use the wrong type of prompt.

If you need more info let me know. Easily repeatable, as it seemed to do it every time.

[umbral herald]

It's intended behaviour, the file exports to [selected folder]/[profile name].r2z and then opens the folder again

the file should be selected when it opens though

[left aspen]

Oh, I will have to try again, perhaps it is me, perhaps it is partly bugged and not exporting the file.

[left aspen]

Ah, so I am the fool, it was working all along. I think I didn't notice because I already had the folder open, and it wasn't refreshing when being "opened"

[slender trellis]

anyone know what this means https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/WhNkes7XqrvZCadFz2WcMGt_SeenRpqygnZCRUtIm2w/https/steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2487761350960006731/839874E0EEA1F446A112CD89BCB841B95FB4954B/?format=webp&width=633&height=261

[dry ledge]

is there a way to specify launch parameters for profiles in this? just switched from r2 and am enjoying having 2gb of my RAM back but i can't run one of my profiles without a launch option

[sudden walrus]

+1 for this. i really liked that feature in r2

[pure token]

gale just kinda stopped working

i cant get it to start

i've tried reinstalling and restarting my PC and nothing

[umbral herald]

Send the logs (in appdata/roaming/com.kesomannen.gale)

it's crashing on startup

[pure token]

where would they be

[umbral herald]

oh sry, it's appdata/local/...

[umbral herald]

Ok, go back to roaming, lethal-company and then Custom Modding

there's probably a file missing

[pure token]

yeah that whole folder is just empty

OH

okay so at somepoint i tried to make a profile and it didnt do anything, so i assumed it was due to an invalid character (space bar) so i made a new modpack under the same name without a space

i guess when it failed to make the modpack it still created a folder, then upon a relaunch it kept failing to find the file in the folder it was parsing for, since it never created it?

[umbral herald]

that must be it yeah

wonder why the profile creation failed silently though 🤔

if you remove that folder it should work again

[pure token]

i'd suggest adding a failsafe to just ignore a folder in there if it cant find the file and then report a possibly corrupt modpack once the UI is loaded

[pure token]

yeah it did, thank you

[umbral herald]

Ehh, I think that's too much effort for a problem that should never happen

It should however open a popup if it crashes on launch, instead of just closing immediately

[pure token]

true but it could prevent someone like from losing my mind trying to figure out why its crashing without bothering anyone else

that would've helped alot 🥲

[limber canopy]

could gale follow gtk / qt :3

[hardy rover]

@umbral herald please add an option to have Gale not fetch mod updates while playing games

it's annoying and it hogs bandwidth

[umbral herald]

You can disable it in the next update

[hardy rover]

Cool cool, looking forward to it cus it feels like it checks it constantly

[umbral herald]

automatic thing is too much effort

[hardy rover]

XD

[umbral herald]

It's every 15 minutes and people always complain that's too slow :/

kind of thunderstore's fault though

[hardy rover]

Fair lol

[low pivot]

YO

TYSM<3

[umbral herald]

yup, here it is

0.7.3

Added

• Option to disable automatic thunderstore fetching
• Option to ignore updates for the "Update all" banner

Changed

• Detect steam installation path on Windows from registry
• Sort pinned mods to the top of the mod list
• UI tweaks

Fixed

• Open gale log button not working
• Thunderstore API token not persisting between sessions
• Modpack export arguments sometimes not being saved
• App closing immediately when a startup error occurs instead of showing an error dialog

[pallid sky]

Being part of the user who create modpacks with your mod manager, I appreciate the update

Idk why, but I still can't auto update

[umbral herald]

Hmm ok

works for me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[low pivot]

I mean I think it works fine for me as well

[umbral herald]

are on you 0.7.2?

[pallid sky]

yes

[slender trellis]

@umbral herald Do you know what is causing this? https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/WhNkes7XqrvZCadFz2WcMGt_SeenRpqygnZCRUtIm2w/https/steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2487761350960006731/839874E0EEA1F446A112CD89BCB841B95FB4954B/?format=webp&width=633&height=261

My friend says this happens every time he opens up gale

[sudden walrus]

look in gale's data folder and delete any empty profile folders

[low pivot]

Ascending and descending for custom are broken for me atm

Also it doesn't let me type or edit anything in this page specifically

[upper cedar]

Ascending/descending on Custom/Install Date sorting is also broken for me

This Update All and ignore updates thing is perfect though, 10/10 addition 👌

[hardy rover]

The update button should appear after restarting Gale

[bleak dagger]

no its written in either of those

[pallid sky]

fixed I had to restart my pc

[bleak dagger]

its a glorified website

just like discord's desktop app

[warm topaz]

you can also click this button and it'll show up (at least it did for me)

Help>Check for app updates

[hardy rover]

@umbral herald For some reason after the new update my sorted order for mods is reversed

Also trying to switch between Ascending and Descending doesn't work

So I'm guessing it's bugged in the Ascending layout

[low pivot]

Try moving stuff around too, if you move something upward by one it goes down by one

Confused the shit out of me lmao

[hardy rover]

Prolly gonna revert Gale to 0.7.2 til this is fixed

[low pivot]

Imma try N live with it for now, that fetch feature is beautiful and I don't wanna get rid of it

[upper cedar]

i noticed moving items has been bugged for awhile. i was on 0.6.2 for the last week and moving items beyond the current view (like letting it scroll down while moving an item) would make it displace a totally different mod

[hardy rover]

That's a different issue

lol

[hardy rover]

I just hope Bobbo pushes a hotfix later

Cus 0.7.3 I noticed also feels laggier

[warm topaz]

i love this new button ❤️

[hardy rover]

Me too 0.7.3 is a nice update but it feels less polished atm

I reverted til it's fixed

[umbral herald]

It must've broke when I added the pinned stuff

[umbral herald]

Well there's a lot going on on the rust side

[hardy rover]

Yeah that's why I decided to revert until you can hotfix it lol

[hardy rover]

New update also seems to fix the lag I experienced with 0.7.3 c;

Yay

[umbral herald]

I didn't do anything about it but yay!

0.7.4

Fixed

• Custom sort order not responding to Descending/Ascending
• Mod reordering moving mods in the wrong direction
• Expanded config entries not being editable in text mode

[strange pollen]

On the update all screen, is there any way we could have a way to view changelogs on that screen?

[umbral herald]

You can click on a mod's name to go to the thunderstore page

probably not going to add a changelog right there

[strange pollen]

I know 😛 I would love a dropdown on that screen

The main reason is I always have to check changelogs to know if I need to update configs for my pack

What about combining all the recent changelogs into one list on the page? Could you take the most recent addition to each updated mod's changelog and put them all in a single list for you to read? That would be the best but a lot more work😅

[sudden walrus]

you could just change sorting to last updated and view the changelogs from there

[strange pollen]

That is what I've been doing, I mainly just want to not have to roll things back if I see something in the changes that might be an issue. Definitely an minor issue 😅

[umbral herald]

I also thought of that but it seems like a lot of work, and might not even work well since people use different changelog formats

maybe you could make a github issue so I don't forget

[strange pollen]

Yeah, you'd probably have to match the version number to their changelog to make sure it works

since some people list their changelogs backwards (newest version on the bottom instead of the top)

[umbral herald]

not everyone keeps a changelog either

and some have it in the readme which is

🫠

[strange pollen]

Yeah...🙄

[dreamy yoke]

I keep getting this error, tried to delete that cosmetic and still getting the same error

[warm topaz]

oh I have gotten a similar error to this before if I delete something from the profile folder in windows explorer rather than through the mod manager

the mod manager doesnt detect that the file has been deleted but cant delete the file because it isnt there lol

nvm, read the error and that's something different

[dreamy yoke]

S1catstaringstare

[warm topaz]

to be fair, could be a related issue idk

[dreamy yoke]

yes, it is related

kinda

[celest moth]

is gale cache not compatible with r2modman >?

[alpine pond]

Failed to import code - Controlador no válido. (os error 6).
trying to import a code my friend is trying to share with me, but i keep getting this error
"Driver not valid (OS Error 6 )" translated since it changed to spanish for whatever reason
maybe because my friend uses Win11 and i use Win10?

ah after a few test we got it to work again

[hardy rover]

I mean it could be they turned off auto fetching and need to manually fetch before importing

If that isn't it then make them revert to 0.7.2 but I imagine that's the case

If the mods aren't fetched from the Thunderstore database then they can't import

[alpine pond]

thank you for the response, it could have been the fetch thing actually 🤔
but currently the situation was: 3 friends, 2 two use Win10, the 3rd Win11
Win11 sent us their code but it wasnt working
so one of the Win10 made the code and now all is working as usual

pretty weird, but it got resolved X3 ill just edit my post, and keep this one here for the record
in the off chance anyone else has this exact same scenario

[hardy rover]

Yeah rule of thumb is always pay attention to if it's still fetching before import

[umbral herald]

That's a very weird error

It's not because a mod was not found, nor the OS difference (win 11 is just a reskin of win 10 anyway)

[umbral herald]

It should be

[celest moth]

cuz i have this weird error where running the code from r2modman doesnt work on gale (game crashed) and when i import the code to r2modman the import just gonna stuck at 100% without any disk activity

tho thats my first time trying to merge the cache folder

[umbral herald]

You probably messed something up

[slender trellis]

How do you stop this error from occuring https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/WhNkes7XqrvZCadFz2WcMGt_SeenRpqygnZCRUtIm2w/https/steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2487761350960006731/839874E0EEA1F446A112CD89BCB841B95FB4954B/?format=webp

[celest moth]

must be, ill test it out again in a bit

[umbral herald]

Looks like you have an old version of gale

[slender trellis]

Well I mean it's my friend who has this issue, whenever he opens up gale either that message appears or it just immediately crashes

I told him to go in app data/roaming and then delete the profiles

and that works for him

but the problem then

occurs again

after a while

and he has to do it

all over again

[umbral herald]

It should be fixed in a newer update

[slender trellis]

Ok

I'll tell him then

thanks

[celest moth]

1.Start with changing the default gale cache to r2modman cache directory(wipe the content in the folder)
2.import code in r2, 2mod(morecomp+bepin) succeed
3.import code in gale, 2mod succeed
4.delete/import the code again in r2modman with new name, stuck at 100% forever, force close and open again no mods imported inside

2.import code in gale, 2mod succeed
3.import code in r2, 2mod failed, stuck at 100% forever, force close and open again no mods imported inside

i wonder if its gonna work if i just use symlink

changing the r2 cache directory to that of gale cache

[celest moth]

aight its the same with symlink
r2 seems to just refused to finish the 100% when having a shared cache folder lol

[alpine pond]

Huh that is weird 🤔
Oh well, thankfully between fetching mods and doing the code on the Win10 PC worked, I'm sure this won't happen again. The world may never know though what happened hehe

[umbral herald]

Looks like gale slowly leaks memory lol

probably fine though, it only increases by ~200 MB after being on for like 4 hours

[bleak dagger]

but i've been running gale for 240 hours now

[robust lark]

I like Gale but getting it to work on Linux last time I tried.. well Bobbo is trying and that's worth a lot

But the selector to choose steam required the executable to end in .exe so I had to manually configure that launch path and I remember vaguely that I had an issue with another filter like that having windows-centric defaults. I think Bobbo has fixed some of those tho

[strange brook]

just installed gale on linux mint 22 and whenever i try to launch the game it will always launch vanilla no matter what mods i have installed

[umbral herald]

Linux support is hard since I don't have a linux machine to test on, and the whole bepinex stuff is very undocumented

[umbral herald]

These should be fixed at least

[robust lark]

Yea, I figured you've fixed a few of those already

Its getting better but I wouldn't consider installing it on a steam deck right now, that sounds painful.. mostly because I don't like doing things on the steam deck :<

[ionic harness]

Luckily at least, 90% of those games don't have Linux counterparts, so it's just WINE prefix and Steam starting it as normal.
BepInEx being DLLs (do they even have an .so version?) and it's 100% "Windows-alike" once you let steam handle the prefix.

[strange brook]

it could be issue with running it on linux mint 22 specifically since it was working perfectly when i was on mint 21 but i would have to double check

[ionic harness]

Confusing/odd, I wonder why. Mint 21 -> Mint 22 is less than 300 package updates, and very few affect Steam directly, which ships its own WINE, Proton, etc.

[umbral herald]

wine prefix?

[strange brook]

it did update from ubuntu 22 to ubuntu 24 so that could have something to do with it

[ionic harness]

Ahh yeah, on Linux, just about all games end up in ~/.steam/steam/steamapps/compatdata/<appid>/something
"WINE Prefix" refers to the root of the virtual filesystem pretending to be Windows (normally the above)
For example: /home/myUser/.steam/steam/steamapps/compatdata/1966720/

From YOUR perspective, that folder is "as good as the game directory on Windows" (other than being case-sensitive, which isn't a problem on Windows.)

Contains all the same files you would expect, etc.

[native shadow]

It would be amazing if you where able to group mods just visually with the custom sorting option, I.E create a group, name it (suits, libraries, moons etch) and be able to drag mods into them.
If that isn't possible I would at least request a way to sort disabled mods to group together at the top or bottom.
If I'm being an idiot and this is already a feature let me know

[pallid sky]

wat

[strange pollen]

Loving this button, but can it be moved over next to the default? (NOT an overlay on the textbox) It's super frustrating not to see what's in the text box

[runic laurel]

does this also happen for some people? its pretty annoying

[native shadow]

I have not seen that one yet

[pure token]

Gale doesnt seem to show .json files in the config manager, which can be VERY frustrating when trying to configure EnemySkinRegistry as the chances for skins to appear are handles via a .json that generates with all the skins you have downloaded

[native shadow]

I found the in game editor way simpler to use than the json files

[pure token]

the what now

[umbral herald]

Yeah, use a program like vs code to edit json files

much better experience than anything gale could offer

[umbral herald]

That's a new one, try running gale with admin priviliges I guess?

[pure token]

fair enough, but it'd be nice if they still showed up when searching for a config, even if just opening them in gale just took you to their location in file explorer

[umbral herald]

Noo, it's back

this was an issue before which made remove the save window state thingy

I thought it was fixed with the new version of tauri but apparently not

[native shadow]

Enemyskinregistry has in game gui trough lethalconfig

[pure token]

you sir have just saved me so much headache thank you

[native shadow]

oh you found it

[pure token]

yeah it took me a minute, i blinded that top button like 3 times somehow

but i really appreciate that, as i've been trying to add most of the skin mods i can find, so having a nice way to set there to be like rare shitpost enemies (like an enderman over the bracken) will be really fun w my group

[native shadow]

Happy to help

[runic laurel]

Yeah, this also happened to my friend who was asking me how he could fix it, I thought it was only me because I have trouble with my mouse from double clicking and it does that pretty often

[narrow berry]

Alright so two things

A. Gale is amazing and I appreciate you, I love how fast this thing is and it feels seamless + looks better, just overall really good work

[bold hornet]

B. LowTierGod

[narrow berry]

B. Can you add a setting to download the newest version of dependencies instead of the recommended version? Right now if you download a mod as a dependency you then have to update it afterwards, I'd like an option to just automatically download the latest version lol

[slender trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-24337002

[strange brook]

now it won't open at all and the terminal is getting spammed with this

[umbral herald]

welp

good luck

[ionic harness]

That sounds like you should probably reinstall your graphics card's driver and restart your operating system 😄 (See below instead.)

But also, Gale requires a GPU and its own dedicated render surface? Huh? Hardware window with no software fallback?

[ionic harness]

If you're on Linux, go to /etc/environment and add WEBKIT_DISABLE_DMABUF_RENDERER=1 according to Tauri's open issues.

https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/webkit2gtk/-/issues/1
Webkit2gtk is completely broken for NVIDIA users on Arch and other distros, since months now.

[strange brook]

yep that fixed it

it's no longer launching vanilla every time as well

[ionic harness]

😄 😄 😄 Glad that helped. Just googling "tauri framebuffer" gave me that result, bahahah.

[sudden walrus]

would it be possible to have dividers in the mod menu? i found these blank mods that act as dividers on complete accident and i think it would be really nice to have it cleanly implemented in the mod manager. i know of a few other mod managers that have a similar feature. im not sure how this would work with the whole code system but i figured i would float the idea anyway

[sudden walrus]

also a nice feature to have would be to ignore certain dependencies when updating or installing a mod. since currently, if you have a mod with a dependency that is not actually required, or can be cleanly replaced with no consequences, it will still reinstall every time you update said mod. an example is that a lot of moons have a dependency on ViewExtension, which both isn't required and can be replaced by other mods. i just want a way to only uninstall it once and not have to worry about it ever again

[eager dragon]

soft dependancies arent a thing you can actually define i think

as far as thunderstore knows its required

[sudden walrus]

well it doesnt have to be automatic. i mean like, a checkbox when uninstalling a mod that says "do not automatically install again"

[eager dragon]

why not just disable it

[sudden walrus]

that works, but it would be cleaner to just not have it in my list at all

[eager dragon]

well see it this way

what if, in an update, a mod got a new dependancy

so that feature that downloads a mods dependancies when you download it, to make sure it helps you in those situations, it reactivates on updates

if you were asking me, how id fix it is just like, a setting for dependancies

Automatic, Ask, Manual

i assume you'd know what each of those would do

[sudden walrus]

i guess that'd work too. but like i usually want dependencies to automatically install. but for a mod like ViewExtension that is literally not ever required, i wish there was a way that i could just blacklist it from being installed

[eager dragon]

well i mean it'd be nice to have a way to do that but that feels like a pretty specific niche

for now you should treat having the mod disabled as that blacklist

[sudden walrus]

another stupid little thing: would like to have a button under this that is for dependents. just to easily know if a mod is actually being used and to see what mods it's needed by

[eager dragon]

or having both in one menu

like the r2modman associateds menu

[umbral herald]

There's one in the dropdown menu already

[umbral herald]

This is a thunderstore limitation, just disable the dependency

[umbral herald]

This might come when I do the big refactor later on

but not before 1.0

[narrow berry]

@umbral herald Was wondering if you saw this

[umbral herald]

This comes back to thunderstore, if we had a better way of specifying dependencies sure. Howevery as it is gale can't be sure that the mod requires that specific version of the dependency (because of breaking changes, game version e.t.c.) or any version. Almost every other package registry type system has this, where you can say 1.* for example. And... it's only extra click if you want to do it anyway

[sudden walrus]

i'm not sure i understand. you can't just store a list of ignored dependencies, then compare any incoming downloads with that list, and remove any matches from the download queue?

[umbral herald]

As Noosh pointed out, if one mod actually needed that dependency there's a problem. I think it's better to take a slight inconvenience (having an extra disabled mod), than added complexity and profiles possibly breaking because of gale

[sudden walrus]

what do you think about this then? asking to install dependencies should be fine, no?

[umbral herald]

ehh idk

again lots of extra complexity and most of the time users are just going to insta-press yes right?

If thunderstore had a soft dependency thing then absolutely

[sudden walrus]

i get it. at the end of the day, whatever you think is best or worth implementing. but i know i'm not the only one who has complained about this

[severe belfry]

can something be added here that indicates to safe/if it's saved (to compensate my stupidity)

when I first started using it I was wondering why it wasn't saving when clicking out of it instead of the X

[umbral herald]

It saves anytime you edit it

but the normal input field isn't updated properly, if you go to another file and then revisit it you should see the new value

I've tried to fix it but it's a bit tricky

[severe belfry]

Oh no yeah I noticed that, but even then it still sometimes doesn't update for me

[umbral herald]

Hmm ok, if it happens again you can check the actual config file

[severe belfry]

this

[umbral herald]

oh

Check the contents of the file

[severe belfry]

Nothing diff

[umbral herald]

I'll fix that, thanks for bringing it up 👍

[severe belfry]

It only seems to save if you press the X

[umbral herald]

yup

I think I know why

[digital jungle]

I just pushed an update to my modpack and noticed that my mods were not in a custom order anymore! That might be something to look into

[eager dragon]

they werent in custom order in the exported version or was your order just reset for whatever reason when you exported it

oh also you're talking about a modpack that isnt imported from code or file right

you're talking about a pack you put on the store

[ionic harness]

Tried. Thunderstore strips that information if you try to set the field to any value (in the manifest)
It doesn't live long enough for the launchers / clients to use 😦

[eager dragon]

this is only half related but in my interest on how thunderstore works, by any chance can you tell what exactly this repository contains? https://github.com/thunderstore-io/Thunderstore

is it like, the website itself, and all its features?

[ionic harness]

That's the django server code, including the APIs, and afaics most of the website.

Note the AGPL license completely prevents it from being useful to others.
That's the least-possible open-source license, which, LethalModding.com also uses for its core server code, to be fair.

[eager dragon]

i did make a push request ot the ecosystem-schema repository once, because we needed more mod tags (mostly for all the very simple asset mods, like Suits, TV Videos, Boombox Music and Posters)

ahhh

but if you were extremely passionate about it per se, you could contribute a feature to thunderstore

[ionic harness]

In theory, yes. You wouldn't be able to own/user that personally, as per the AGPL + CC, but if you want to give them a feature, yup, it's fine.

It's obviously up to them if they choose to accept it, blah blah, etc etc. -- DM'd you some more information about what contributing would look like, since it's outside the scope of Gale.

[eager dragon]

right i'll share the rest of my thoughts there

[digital jungle]

They weren’t in custom order in the exported version, but weirdly enough this only occurs with the auto-upload-to-thunderstore option. If I manually export my pack to a zip file, the manifest has everything in correct order.

[umbral herald]

Even if you do that, it would still need to download the whole mod to be able to read the manifest

[short star]

The manifest would keep that information

The API would not show that information

[short star]

https://www.tldrlegal.com/license/gnu-affero-general-public-license-v3-agpl-3-0

It's not really "least-possible"

It's just that anyone wanting to modify the source must disclose it

[ionic harness]

It's the worst license that FOSSDEM accepts, as per their own "guidelines on licesning" page

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html <-- here

[short star]

that same page

We recommend that developers consider using the GNU AGPL for any software which will commonly be run over a network.

I don't see anything negative about AGPL on that page

[ionic harness]

If they wish to be as restrictive as possible as per GNU GPL, while still claiming to be open source, A-GPL is the option they choose.

AGPL 3.0 is semi-acceptable, yeah, you're correct. They fixed many of the issues in 3.0

The "benefit" of A-GPL compared to other OSI licenses is the ability to restrict inclusion in a commercial project.
It's worth noting that doing so can be construed as a violation of the basic principles of open source: https://opensource.org/osd
Specifically: Number 5 (No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups), importantly Number 6 (No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor)

And to quote the FAQ: All Open Source software can be used for commercial purpose; the Open Source Definition guarantees this. You can even sell Open Source software. -- Affero GPL (even v3.0) voids this ethical definition. https://opensource.org/faq#:~:text=All Open Source software can,even sell Open Source software.

[ionic harness]

This is a summary of what is negative about it ^

[narrow berry]

I still feel like a config setting to just automatically do that extra click would be nice, I mess with a lot of modpacks and it can be frustrating at times. Probably my only issue with Gale as opposed to r2 since r2 just automatically downloads the newest version in my experience.

[native shadow]

in addition to my wish of being able to sort mods, I would really like an option to enable a log that shows actions taken in a profile, installs/uninstalls/updates like xyzmod v1.2 -> v1.9 if something breaks it would make for a great QOL feature IMO

[umbral herald]

I believe ebkr sais that r2 downloads the exact version when it comes to modpacks

But that could be wrong

[hardy rover]

He did

I remember

[narrow berry]

It does for modpacks I think but I've downloaded dependencies before and it downloads the newest version, so maybe r2 does it specifically for things with the Modpack tag

[umbral herald]

I guess so

[short star]

It does

It is however a non standard way of doing it and comes with its own issues whenever there’s APIs with breaking changes

There’s always requests to add a download button that handles things the way Gale does instead, and it is a little funny to see the inverse

The problem with having it as a setting is that people click settings without knowing what they actually do which would change relatively important behaviour
Providing two options isn’t necessarily ideal either and without understanding it you might just click either

[narrow berry]

Look, I feel like personally you're both avoiding adding a config option that would solve people requesting this on both ends. I do understand the API breaking things though. But I just see either a config option, or two buttons, "Download Recommended" and "Download Latest", as the best solutions. If people complain about a behavior and you have a config, you tell them they can change it. If you can't change it, then people are going to continue to want the option.

[sudden walrus]

i mean all you have to do is just click the update button after that

[narrow berry]

Yeah, or I can click a config option and never have to click update every single time I download a new mod with dependencies.

[sudden walrus]

kind of a non issue though. it would take more effort to implement than it would for all the extra updating across all users combined. and personally this has only happened to me like, one or two times

[narrow berry]

I really, truly disagree, but whatever, r2modman and Gale have both proven that downloading Recommended or Latest by choice isn't that hard. I'd just like an option for a simple behavior change. I guess I'll just switch back to r2modman whenever it's optimized with a bit more speed if a basic config option to change a behavior is "too much effort" (although I'm repeating what nickham said, not Bobbo, so I'm debating with the wrong person anyways).

I have like 7 profiles and do major mod installations / updates / test profiles daily. I click "Update All" more than any single other button in Gale because of this behavior. You might have only had it one or two times but it happens to me several times a day. Don't speak for every user of a mod manager, please.

[hardy rover]

For me personally I don't find that extra update all click to be a problem it's only happened to me a couple of times as well when using a testing pack

I've never had it be an issue with my actual profile

UwU

[narrow berry]

It's mainly an issue when you have a lot of mod development profiles and need to test mods frequently, because devs aren't going to support old versions of their mods

[hardy rover]

Yeah

[narrow berry]

But there's a lot of mod devs here, so the option would be nice lol

I'm not saying it's something I need immediately or hate Gale because of, it's just a feature request xD

[sudden walrus]

not sure whats up with the passive aggression, but i also make additional profiles to test stuff. it's basically not an issue for me (and i'm assuming most people because i haven't seen anyone else complain about this) because most mods are using up to date dependencies and also because most of them share the same dependencies. you already got your answer of why it would be less than ideal to implement

[hardy rover]

Imo you really should stop trying to speak for Bobbo and stop trying to put words in his mouth

[narrow berry]

I'm just frustrated because I don't feel like a simple config for this is that big of a deal, as someone who knows a good amount about coding myself despite not having coded for Lethal Company, there's literally two mod managers that both do this differently and both could add configs to let the user have more control over how they use it. The point of a mod manager is to empower the user to easily manage their mods. Currently, r2modman is too slow by my standards, and Gale has some little annoyances that I'd prefer to not have to deal with that a simple config would fix. And then several people speaking on Bobbo's behalf about his application is kind of annoying.

[hardy rover]

Yeah, he could easily add a config for it

[narrow berry]

I'm gonna step away though and let Bobbo make that decision, as I said, worst case scenario I swap back to r2modman eventually

[hardy rover]

He already added one to disable auto fetching

So idk why he can't add one for that

[sudden walrus]

i'm... really not sure where you're getting the idea that i'm speaking for bobbo. you can literally see above where both him and ebkr stated their reasoning for not having this. if it's that simple to you, why not implement it yourself? the github is open to PRs

[hardy rover]

They stated their reason for not having it for modpacks

This is different

[narrow berry]

Whatever man lol. I'm speaking with a dev about why I think it's a good idea. I give up trying to discuss with you

[sudden walrus]

didn't realize i wasn't allowed to speak my own opinions about a program that i also use lol

[robust lark]

behave 👁️

[hardy rover]

We are

[robust lark]

https://tenor.com/91kP.gif

[sudden walrus]

what bobbo said is that it's a limitation of how thunderstore specifies dependencies
#1246088342458863618 message

[hardy rover]

Again this was regarding modpacks from what Nikki said

[ionic harness]

Yes and no. The limitation of Thunderstore goes into mods too.

It simply doesn't actually support SemVer. -- Specifically, constraints, the useful part.

[hardy rover]

ohhh

Well I wonder how R2 manages to always download the latest version of the dependency then

[ionic harness]

Thunderstore has zero ability to be like "Hey, I want ~1 or ^1 or >=1.0 <2"

[robust lark]

Something that I'm pretty sure is possible is to specify a package without a version as a dependency, but that would just pin you to the latest

[ionic harness]

^ Yup, and it may or may not be supported by each mod manager individually 😄

[robust lark]

whole thing's a mess

[ionic harness]

If Thunderstore just supported SemVer Constraints......... the whole point of SemVer........... It would be so much easier.

[narrow berry]

It's something that is clearly doable as demonstrated by r2modman, to fetch the latest version instead by just grabbing the mod string as a config option. It's just a feature from r2 I would eventually like to see since I know it's doable, and clicking "Update All" several times a day can be frustrating. Lol

[ionic harness]

https://devhints.io/semver literally all of this doesn't work.

[hardy rover]

Yeah as Damon just said it's based on the mod manager and how is coded

[ionic harness]

That can be done, BUT, it would literally break most modpacks. As mentioned already in this thread.
Most modpacks have to explicitly keep mod versions back, on purpose, to keep/stay working.
SemVer Constraints are the "real way" to fix this, as it allows the author to specify what they intended.

[narrow berry]

Mhm. Not asking for this feature to be added immediately or anything, just something that ultimately makes me prefer the way r2 handles it at the moment, which could be a config option to change how it fetches mods.

And r2 just blacklists modpacks from doing that, not to mention game updates break Modpacks anyways

[ionic harness]

Yes and no. Steam specifically allows you to play three different versions of this game at any given time.
It's a strong assumption that people play only on the latest updated game, they don't. I wish they did 😦

[robust lark]

Well, Zeeks lets steam let us play 3 different versions

[narrow berry]

I'd just prefer to not have to jump back to r2modman if a config feature can be added here lol. Even if you add it as like an "Advanced setting, don't touch unless you know what you're doing"

[hardy rover]

R2 is also coded much differently compared to Gale

[narrow berry]

That's fair though

[ionic harness]

Bobbo could definitely add the feature, but you guys need to use the latest version to let them actually get feedback.

I was pretty irked when I saw people like "I'm going to stay on this old version" -- that makes developers lifes miserable.
If it's for a few days because something is literally broken, that's one thing, but staying on old versions indefinitely is horrible.

[narrow berry]

Yeah that's why I want to automatically download the latest dependencies for test profiles xD

[ionic harness]

Nah, there were a few people who were using explicitly old versions of Gale for whatever reason.
Doing so (or even allowing so on Gale's part) tends to significantly increases the support load.
If you get a bug report, no way to even tell which version it's for unless that's an explicit feature.

[narrow berry]

Gotcha

I always update my stuff as long as either the application lets me know there's an update or it's something important to keep updated

[ionic harness]

Just look at Linux distros 😄 20,000,000,000 versions of roughly the same ~500 packages, drastically different results.

[hardy rover]

I only reverted my version of Gale one time cus part of it broke, and Bobbo hotfixed it so I reupdated but even then I only rolled back to the previous version

[ionic harness]

Ye, that's the "only if it's literally broken" and "for a few days" which is fine.

[narrow berry]

Only exception is if something is unusable on the newest version, yeah, for example LethalCompanyVariables newest update increased my load time from 15 seconds to 8 minutes, that's uh, problematic

[hardy rover]

I don't like using older versions of anything unless I have to, that not only puts stress on devs but it also means security risks and other issues can arise

[narrow berry]

And considering it has that load time every time I go to the main menu, that's a tad unusable

[sudden walrus]

i was on an old gale version for a bit after 0.7.0 because one of the features i liked was broken. it's still broken now but i was tempted by some of the new features. there's nothing wrong with purposefully staying on an old version if everything works fine for you, but devs can't be expected to take reports from an old version nor should users expect them to

[ionic harness]

You forget this community is a bunch of nunces. Just because you won't bug them with reports from old versions, 99% will.

[sudden walrus]

believe me i know. but there's nothing inherently wrong with using an old version if that's what you want for whatever reason

[ionic harness]

The inherent wrong is the increased support load, especially if there is any backend service involved. (Luckily there isn't here.)

[narrow berry]

Either way sorry if I caused any drama, I just wanted to request a feature that's important to me and kinda got frustrated when people gave me the excuse of "It's a bad idea because people are dumb", especially over a setting involving updates to the newest versions of mods, something rather important for testing, bug reports and feedback. Lmao

[ionic harness]

Concrete will outright prevent you from using old versions, I have to, since the client API version is lockstep with the server API version.

[ionic harness]

People really do be that dumb in this community though, you have to save them from themselves.
So I can see / understand both sides of that coin for sure. I'd say put like 5 warnings on the button.

Like legit, make the entire section red, then warn them when they click it, then ask for confirmation, then warn them on confirmation.

[sudden walrus]

i mean at that point those things kinda depend on the software and user. if someone walks in here and says "why my gale 0.1.0 no work" then that's entirely on the user

[narrow berry]

That's why you make it a config that's off by default XD After that, it's user error I've also found that "Advanced settings" typically discourages people from fuckin with stuff they shouldn't fuck with unless they know what they're doing.

At some point you call it skill issue and move on

[ionic harness]

LC_API cough -- A "skill issue" that took eight months to defeat.

[narrow berry]

Gotta love when mod devs who have no clue what they're really doing make a core API that a bunch of people try to use and then abandon it

That's why I won't make any core APIs

[sudden walrus]

i generally used to agree that customization and user choice is more important than ease of use, but after seeing some of the stuff that goes on in these threads it's kind of swayed me in the other direction. even if you completely lock it down and make the user type "I understand that this may break things", a determined idiot will still find a way to completely miss the warning and mess with it anyway

[umbral herald]

Most people who've reported issues with older versions aren't doing it intentionally, it's because I've broken the auto updater a couple of times 😄

I feel like this discussion got way too long for how small the request/issue is lol. Putting it in an "advanced/do it at your own risk" section in the settings sound alright actually. However right now I am purely focused on bug fixing and polishing stuff for a 1.0 release

After that I'm gonna do some big refactors (svelte 5 + sqlite backend) where a lot of things will change, so that's probably when I'll add this if I ever do

[sudden walrus]

is 1.0 just bug fixes and polish?

[umbral herald]

yeah

there might be some minor updates in between

[ionic harness]

"1.0" means "Stable, also, I agree to NEVER change the API until 2.0" 😄

[umbral herald]

but I don't want to introduce any new features that might introduce new bugs

Btw, I said this in may

I've worked on it for ~2 months and I think it's nearing a 1.0 release.
Which well, didn't really work out

[umbral herald]

Gale doesn't really have a public API, so I'm not sure how I'll handle it

[narrow berry]

Sounds good. I just really wanted to vocalize that it was really important to me as a mod dev and I can't imagine I'm the only one who gets annoyed by clicking Update All every time, ESPECIALLY now that LCV is broken so I have to manually change the version of that or uncheck it every time I click Update All ^^;

[umbral herald]

I guess just stay on 1.0 forever

[narrow berry]

But I do respect wanting to put it on the backburner o7

It's 3am and I'm sleepy af

[umbral herald]

10 am here lol

omg I just realized dyson sphere program's bepinex is just called BepInEx and not BepInExPack

which completely breaks it

[ionic harness]

Mhmm, there are multiple communities where it has a different name AND author.

Like MULTIPLE -- R2 has a config file for this

[umbral herald]

ik

r2 also has a big ass map of all the BepInEx names in all communities

I really didn't want to do that

[ionic harness]

😄 You have no choice lel -- Thunderstore is hell.