Central Config

[lilac sorrel]

This overrides it if it was added before runtime

No enemies

[stone depot]

Ah, sorry. I was away from my computer and forgot you "remove" by setting the weight to 0, or use the replace list, not an actual remove list.
So if I had embrion's bracken is set to 0 outside, wouldn't foggy weather override it? So is there no way to keep the bracken from spawning on embrion during the fog?

[lilac sorrel]

Foggy doesn’t override it

It will add that weight as well but if you have remove duplicates avd always keep zeros then only the 0 rarity will be used which makes them not spawn

[stone depot]

Oh so if there’s 2 weights for the same creature and one is a 0 then the other one will be removed? Great thanks

[lilac sorrel]

Yes, with both settings on

If there is no zeros it only keeps the highest/lowest based on the other bool

[past turret]

Not sure what caused it but I've been having some desync issues as of late, such as apparatus not showing up for host (clients can still see and grab it), generating an extra fire exit for host only which directly connects to main, and spawning more scrap than the upper limit for it should allow on some moons. The culprit(s) could be anything as I have an extensive mod list and I updated a lot of mods recently. However, coincidentally, I've also started getting MissingFieldException every time the level is generated. It's always related to WeatherRegistry so I assume something got updated on it that messed up the compatibility with CentralConfig (?). Here's the error I get:

probably caused by this change on a WeatherRegistry commit last week (?)

[lilac sorrel]

Oh hmm

I’ll look at it

Haven’t touched lc this week

[lilac sorrel]

oh ok I see, I'll have to adjust to the wr update

[lilac sorrel]

Compatdate {0.15.5}

• Fixed compat with the new WeatherRegistry version.

• WR will never override the scrapValueMultiplier while using this mod but WR's setting are factored into my scrap calculation

If you don't want there to be a weather applied multiplier at all then leave the wr multipliers 1 jic

[tawdry heath]

Would the last comma in "Airhorn:5,Bell:6,Big bolt:233,Bottles:4," break anything? I have a function in excel to simplify the process, but I'm not sure how to avoid the last comma

[past turret]

you can do something like REPLACE(cell, LEN(cell), 1, "") for instance, where cell is what you have currently. it will however remove the last character no matter what but you can check if it's a comma if you really want to

[tawdry heath]

Thanks! That seems to have worked

[lilac sorrel]

Nah it would just receive “” as an entry and skip

Since it splits by commas so the nothing after the last is parsed but invalid so it just ignores it

[lilac sorrel]

Fix {0.15.6}

• Fixes compat with Diversity 3.0.0 and beyond

[strong perch]

I often get this when trying to generate the Bunker interior, and it makes the ship stuck on the Random Seed screen

[19:17:36.2183633] [Info   :impulse.CentralConfig] Dungeon Length Multiplier reduced to: 0
[19:17:36.2183633] [Info   :impulse.CentralConfig] Dungeon Generation has failed 172 times, this would indicate the dungeon refused to generate at any size. Please notify me if you see this.
[19:17:36.2204071] [Info   :impulse.CentralConfig] Dungeon has been loaded by Central Config. Final dungeon size multiplier is: 0,02x after 172 attempts.

[lilac sorrel]

oh... the bunker was deprecated many months ago....

iirc it has to do with the rats being in the dungeon BEFORE the dungeon generates which is not a good thing

[strong perch]

Regenerated LLL's config and Bunker's config and did not have that issue happen again yet

Unless I got lucky this time

[lilac sorrel]

yeah if it generates first try its fine but with the the rats are coded and will always be, the dungeon cannot do any retries

because of rats spasing when not on the mesh

[hot slate]

It'd be cool if we could change moon names I think

Like it wouldn't actually change anything internally; the display name of the moon would just be diff on the terminal and monitor

[tawdry heath]

Might not want to suggest that... (Start here)

[lilac sorrel]

display name isn't really different from the terminal and moniter and such, most mods read and display that from their code and use their names in code

[hot slate]

Qhar

[strong perch]

If a moon gets updated and changes its enemy spawns. Will the changes get added automatically in the config or will I need to add them myself?

[lilac sorrel]

they will not be automatic, the config entry’s default value will update but your current config values will not be edited

[hot slate]

With CentralConfig

Without CentralConfig

CentralConfig seems to break old bird nests (And I presume baboon hawk nests too since they more or less use the same code)

I'll send a log, but I'm not sure if it'd help

I hope to see this fixed soon, because this is a MAJOR issue, and this mod is basically the lifeblood of my modpack

Also the modpack code if you want to look deeper into the problem: 01934e14-1aef-3a30-0b3b-542b2f1b7690

[lilac sorrel]

what are you talking about?

I do not touch any enemy code nor allow you to edit nest data

nothing in the log, no errors other than lll falsely rejecting ll scrap but doesn't actually

I don't really see anything of note with the images either? I'm not sure what the issue is here

[hot slate]

Odd

[hot slate]

First image has about… 5 or so old birds

Mind you the max power level is 66, and no other entities are in the roster

[hot slate]

Here is what it should look like

About 20 or so old birds

CentralConfig enabled has consistently gotten me only 5-6 old birds on Embrion for over an hour yesterday, no matter the max power level or entity roster

I’ll fire up my modpack with Message and Info enabled in the logs to see if that helps /w anything

[lilac sorrel]

hm so they are outside of the spawning mechanic yeah?

[hot slate]

What do you mean?

[lilac sorrel]

I mean that embrion doesn't have them spawn

it has them there already

I think its baked into the unity asset?

[hot slate]

Yeah, half of them aren't spawning as they normally should

[lilac sorrel]

think they are placed in PredictAllOutsideEnemies()

[lilac sorrel]

I don't use that method for anything tho

think its this code?

[hot slate]

I don't use Unity, nor do I code, so I don't rlly know what ur talking about
But yeah, there's a notable difference here (Fyi I have CodeRebirth fucking /w power levels turned off)

This was also happening before I installed it

[lilac sorrel]

hm, what does coderebirth do with power levels now?

[hot slate]

Reduce them when their custom weather is active

[lilac sorrel]

I removed it since there was too much content for me to read through and manage

ahh ok

[hot slate]

Real

[lilac sorrel]

I took like a 2 month break from the game and my pack and it has like 60 updates

[hot slate]

YEEEEOWCH

[lilac sorrel]

code rebirth I mean, overall it was like 80 mods that had to update and only some were more than 10 for themself

[lilac sorrel]

but yeah what I am saying is that I can't really find a reason for that to be happening hmm

[hot slate]

These r the settings I have enabled

Brb, gonna run a fresh copy of CC on vanilla Embrion to see how it goes

[lilac sorrel]

oh thats definitely interesting then

only enemy related thing is the lateral scaler for the spawn curve

[hot slate]

God fucking damn it I forgot Embrion is foggy by default

Even with nothing enabled

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah so that narrows it to just a few transpliers and stuff?

Nvm those don’t enact anyway

You don’t have lq right?

[hot slate]

Nope

[lilac sorrel]

Asking other devs they don’t seem to have ever realized Embrion having more birds before

I think it’s some niche hidden thing that may not be in the code itself

Like maybe the moon is scripted?

[hot slate]

It's something I've noticed on (My edit) of Artifice too way in the past /w CC installed

Old birds didn't spawn as much there too

Debugging Embrion's only made me realize now the true cause

[lilac sorrel]

Your edit of artifice?

[lilac sorrel]

What did you change that won’t go through? Did you toss in nest objects?

[hot slate]

I... don't mod

Well, I mean I don't fuck /w technical stuff

Just configs

[lilac sorrel]

Ok

[hot slate]

So no, I did nothing /w nest objects

[lilac sorrel]

You expect more mechs?

[hot slate]

Yuh, they're at a weight of 100 after all

Only 0-1 usually spawn though

[lilac sorrel]

What’s the moon power level?

[hot slate]

12

[lilac sorrel]

Maybe there is a cap on bird spawns at night on most moons

[hot slate]

Seems not, since they spawn like normal without CC

[lilac sorrel]

If I do it in daytime and boost the enemy count up I can get all 20 spawning

[lilac sorrel]

There is no normal?

Normally just 0-1 would spawn on artifice no?

2 sometimes

[hot slate]

They should be spawning every day since their weight is 100

Hold on, let me load Artifice without CC rq

[lilac sorrel]

They have different spawn mechanics since they are predicted at the start

I think the prediction limits them at night

[hot slate]

Yeah, they seem to be spawning just fine now

[lilac sorrel]

Alright so try more but with flatten enemy curves on

Each enemy has a unique curve that effects how they spawn throughout the day

[hot slate]

Try more? Is that a config setting, or am I stupid?

[lilac sorrel]

In practice radmech may only be 20% at 8am

[lilac sorrel]

No like try again with flat curves lol

[hot slate]

Should I disable this in ButteryFixes then?

Don't they do the same thing?

I'm actually fucking stupid, I didn't reenable CC

[lilac sorrel]

Oh shit yes disable that

That can cause issues iirc

[hot slate]

I disabled it, and enabled that, does nothing tho

[lilac sorrel]

That wouldn’t effect you mb, that reduces the max weight for each enemy to 100

I let it go to 99999

[hot slate]

Entity weights are animate?…

[lilac sorrel]

yes

[hot slate]

Huh

[lilac sorrel]

part of it could be "require nests to spawn" in buttery fixes?

that was causing issues between buttery fixes and lq

[hot slate]

I ran CC without BF here

[lilac sorrel]

hm

[fossil niche]

Sorry whats the issue?

Number of deactivated Old Birds spawning with Central Config?

If Night Power is 12 only 4 will spawn because old birds are 3 power

Nests spawn for all possible old birds, buttery fixes stops old birds from spawning from nothing

Vanilla has night power at 70 which is why its always covered in old birds

[lilac sorrel]

and only if there are no other enemies in the pool

[hot slate]

The original topic was on Embrion, though

[fossil niche]

Yeah but thats how it works

If you lower the night power thats the cause

[fossil niche]

Im not well versed in the predict outside enemy function lol

Is there any chance you would consider adding a setting to separate the flatten enemy curves?

or in hindsight i might be fully misinterpreting what it does lol

[lilac sorrel]

no they are having issues with nothing active

flatten curves just makes it use the pool directly instead of curving each enemy based on the time of day on top of that

[fossil niche]

lol sorry didnt catch that bit for some reason

I use this mod too and I tested on Embrion and everything activates just fine

in fact i gotta change my weights cause at 100 they spawn at like 9am with flatten enemy curves

[lilac sorrel]

activate at 9am?

[fossil niche]

i didnt check exact time

but very early in the morning cause of flatten enemy spawn curves

and me setting it to 100 as spawn weight

[lilac sorrel]

did they activiate at 9am u mean?

if u r on embrion I think thats normal?

[hot slate]

I don't mean active

I mean they're literally not spawning

[fossil niche]

They are in your original photo though?

[hot slate]

Not all 20 of 'em

Their numbers are cut in half

Consistently cut in half

Without CC, it goes back up to 20 without issue

[fossil niche]

Whats the power set to?

60?

[hot slate]

66

Me and Lass have been over this, so

I'd be basically repeating myself

[fossil niche]

lol sorry

[hot slate]

Nah u good

[fossil niche]

Just i dont have the issue and im using central config. But i have it lowered down to 22 and i always get the right amount of birds

[hot slate]

Agony

What's even worse, it still happens when freshly installed on a modpack with only it in it

So IDFK WHY IT'S SPECIFICALLY ME

[lilac sorrel]

could be corrupted data but unlikely

I've had some issues before with remmant data doing stuff until I basically reset all my files

[fossil niche]

Ill bump mine up to 66 and get counting

[hot slate]

How would I go about cleansing it without losing all of my CentralConfig... config data?

[lilac sorrel]

trying to remember when this happened and why

I just vaguely feel like I've had a weird thing before but not like what u have

[hot slate]

@fossil niche Could you perhaps hand me ur CC config so I could take a look at it

Maybe it's like, a very niche setting I need to tick

[hot slate]

Hm

[lilac sorrel]

if you don't have any settings in use then I doubt its that

I've seen user errors in big string where there is a missing comma or int but that should be logged anywhere it can occur now

like flowerman:,mouthdog:60,......

but now it would make it 0 if its unassigned and just log it anyway

[fossil niche]

i got good news for you I think

im only counting 2 after setting power

[hot slate]

What power?

[lilac sorrel]

I don't think blanca is setting it no?

[fossil niche]

also for earlier question, yes right at 9 lol

thats with that config and flatten enemy curve so its entirely my fault

[lilac sorrel]

no devs seem to agree with me on why that happens

[fossil niche]

?

[lilac sorrel]

buttery is pretty well versed with mech spawning and ran through all methods, none of which I edit

so mech spawning is completely unaltered by this mod

I really do think it has to do with the moon object itself in unity and some weird thing that happens with that

generic moons works from my experience no?

[hot slate]

But that still begs the question: Why am I the only one with this issue?

[fossil niche]

i was able to reproduce the issue

[hot slate]

HOH

HOW'D U DO IT

[fossil niche]

it says its 10 outdoor power for me

[hot slate]

Why?

[lilac sorrel]

it says 10 for you right there doesn't it?

[fossil niche]

yeah lol mistyped

i was thinking oh better change mine back to 20

its gonna be funny when its changed back to what i had and it no longer works

thats with 22 night power
Imperium still says 10 so idk

[hot slate]

So CC's fucking /w the power levels somehow?

[lilac sorrel]

no

[fossil niche]

idk maybe a internal cap but im talking out my ass

either way im stepping out for a bit, if for some reason you need me to do anything just @ me

[lilac sorrel]

I think some mods may add a cap

normally there can be 20 total enemies in a spawn bracket iirc

there are plenty of them when I opened a new profile

setting the power level for the moon doesn't cause an issue

blanca were you testing in a new profile or your same one? I looked at your main one and you have a LOT of deprecated stuff and mods that may touch enemy spawn stuff but I'm not sure

[hot slate]

Both

New profile and same one

[lilac sorrel]

I know hdcompany is the devil but don't remember why

[hot slate]

019351cf-afd7-4745-63df-ad530183f9ba

I removed some mods earlier today, so it might help weed out shit a bit

But the problem still persists I believe

The only two depracated mods I have rn are ImmersiveVisor and RuntimeNetcodePatcher

[hot slate]

Still nothing, even after clearing my local mod data

and reinstalling Lethal Company

Wait a god damn minute

The moment I uninstall Imperium and its dependencies, the nest fix themselves

I have Imperium disabled normally when debugging this, so I'm wondering if it's one of the dependencies

[small mortar]

If CentralConfig is duplicating their nests instead of properly registering them this will happen with Imperium

[hot slate]

Nope, fuck

I'll try destroying my CC config as a last resort now

[small mortar]

I mean what are you even using CC for?

If it's not essential I'd just remove it

[hot slate]

Hazard & moon description edits

• spawn curve edits

It's essential to me

[small mortar]

Editing Hazard and Moon descriptions can cause problems in some cases, I remember talks about that causing problems in the LLL thread in the past

Which Spawn Curve edits are you using? Isn't there a setting that flattens them out?

That might mess with Old Birds

[hot slate]

No

The one where you can edit spawn curves via increments

E.g. x1 or x2

[small mortar]

Generally though you could probably swap to LQ for the stuff you're using it for

If it keeps causing problems

[hot slate]

I don't want to use a website to edit my stuff

What the shit

[small mortar]

I mean you would just be copying your stuff over

[hot slate]

I am so close, yet so far

[fossil niche]

The list feature is really handy so i use both LQ and CentralConfig

though LQ is more for hand modifying scrap and enemy curves

[hot slate]

I'M GETTING SOMEWHERE

HOLY SHIT

[fossil niche]

Whatcha changing?

[hot slate]

Right now, I just deleted my config

Repasted what I had into it to see any change

YOU

PIECE OF SHIT

IT'S THAT CONFIG SETTING

THAT WEE LITTLE CONFIG SETTING

I'M FREE

MAY THEE ROT IN HELL

@river wind@small mortar @lilac sorrel

[river wind]

my modpack is cooked...

[river wind]

i hope it gets fixed it has a feature id probably like..

[fossil niche]

Where was this?

[small mortar]

It won't cause issues, I use it in my pack and it's never caused any problems

[lilac sorrel]

You said you had no settings on smh

Scale enemy spawn rate scales the spawn curve to match the power level, if you are capping the Embrion power level far below 70 then you are going to get less enemies spawning at a given cycle

So yeah you were using settings and getting the expected result. I do not know why you were saying it happened on a new profile when you are now saying it was a combination of settings you were using all along

[hot slate]

I honestly have no idea

It was doing that on a fresh copy of CC

[lilac sorrel]

Ok so by fresh copy you mean fresh copy but after enabling some settings

[fossil niche]

This changes spawn curve for moons?
Could you tell me how that works?

[lilac sorrel]

so it functions on the y axis and is automatic

let me see if I can find the diagrams I drew

yeah don't see it

lets say a moon has a interior power count of 8 and you boost it to 16

the interior spawn curve for the moon will be multiplied by 2 on the y axis at any given point

so twice as many enemies can spawn at a given time when the curve is above 0

if yoy reduce the 8 to 6 then enemies 1.5x less enemies will be able to spawn at any given point when the curve is above 0

it always spawns at least 1 enemy when there is a spawn wave as long as the curve is positive and not all enemies have been spawned for that given pool

[hot slate]

No

I mean /w no settings enabled

[hot slate]

Not that setting

The setting where you can edit the spawn curve for each moon individually

[fossil niche]

thank you

was curious since im trying to balance some of the high end moons down to more playable levels

[lilac sorrel]

So you were having the issue without the scale enemy spawn rate and power level adjustment?

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah, even small changes (1.1) can tip an hour from 1 to 2 enemies spawning at the same time or vice versa (0.9)

The curve is automatically expanded to have 10 keyframes interpolated to smoothen the curve

[hot slate]

Strangely, yeah

After deleting all my data though and disabling that setting, it seemingly went back to normal

I have not a damn clue how that happens, it makes zero sense

[lilac sorrel]

Could have to do with lazy data initialization?

Not sure how the bepinex fast loader works exactly but that may not be reloading the level from the file and instead memory in which case it still has the modified curve

You can fix that by clearing its cache in theory

[hot slate]

Shrug, but did I use this setting wrong, or does it just fuck /w old birds

I set Embrion's curve to x1.5

[lilac sorrel]

It’s all enemies

Old bird nests just spawn before they do

[hot slate]

This is all sorts of weird lol

[small mortar]

A caching issue from the other profile is definitely possible, people have had issues with even R2 and TMM profiles breaking cus something caches and carries over

And that would make way more sense cus I used ButteryFixes and CC together before without any problems and with Batby now not really wanting to work on Lethal stuff anytime soon I may readd CC just to fix some things that I've been wanting fixed

[hot slate]

Yeah, so

If I increase this to 1.5, old bird nests are reduced by a LOT

[small mortar]

Then leave it alone

It probably is trying to forcefully spawn old birds that are awake

But it doesn't work

As nice as this mod is I would love if the options that break stuff would be removed, like the stuff that touches the scanner completely destroys frames

[hot slate]

Rather than removal, a patch would be better

or at worst, a warning in the option's description

[small mortar]

I mean if a config option breaks the game it's better to not include it, for the sake of not having a bloated config with broken options

[hot slate]

Not really, this config setting is great for me

Allows me to make non-Embrion moons harder without issue

[small mortar]

Embrion is just a mid moon anyways

It's a meme moon

[hot slate]

E.g. Bozoros, a naturally C-B tier moon

[small mortar]

If you want Embrion but Better

Detritus

[hot slate]

But...but

Embrion funny

(I already buffed Embrion anyway)

[lilac sorrel]

that setting scales the x axis pushing night spawns sooner in the day

but I can see that being an issue for birds due to their unique spawning

maybe the buttery fixes setting that removes their need for a nest would fix that, not sure

[hot slate]

I'm sure it does, but I prefer old birds being a sleeping-exclusive entity

[river wind]

wheres this setting

[hot slate]

Under Enemies

[lilac sorrel]

to toggle the setting is under enemies, its accerlate enemy spawning
then it adds that float to each moon

[small mortar]

This still throws when backing out of a lobby btw, it doesn't break anything though so it can likely be changed to a warning log if there's no real way to fix it

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah, I may just rewrite the disconnect hook, it’s just to clear a bunch of numbers

Like it clears the shufflers and resets moons to their default

[hot slate]

Thank you so much for making this mod, you don't know HOW MUCH TIME it's saved me...

[lilac sorrel]

np, i have ocd and needed to set some things and add some systems

[small mortar]

Just be glad it's in a good state now, it was rough for a while :3 but now it's genuinely the most stable mod around to use for it's use case, LQ has issues and hasn't been updated in a while and LethalCompanyVariables causes bad input lag

[hot slate]

Wait a minute...

Can I make exterior entities spawn on Gordion?

[lilac sorrel]

I think with startlancers ai mod? gordion doesn't have ai nodes in vanilla but I think that adds it

[hot slate]

Holy shit, I'm about to pull an evil LOL

(Ogopogo on Gordion)

[lilac sorrel]

oh god

[tawdry heath]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Kittenji/NavMeshInCompany/

[hot slate]

Btw

Does CC override custom entity spawns (When they're removed from CC's roster)

or can I still use their own configs for spawning

[tidal fern]

i think it overrides

[hot slate]

Does it?...

[tidal fern]

i have tried with the moai mod, not putting moai to the enemy list would make them not spawn

[hot slate]

Ahh okay

Thanks for letting me know

[tidal fern]

np

[lilac sorrel]

yeah cc sets and unsets the config data during runtime

[hot slate]

I'm sorry??

Why's my scrap going below what I set as the min?

[hot slate]

@lilac sorrel

[lilac sorrel]

How small is the interior?

[hot slate]

Storehouse, x1.5

[lilac sorrel]

And do you have a mod that’s decreasing the scrap count multiplier?

[hot slate]

Nop

[lilac sorrel]

Does storehouse have reduced scrap?

[hot slate]

Shouldn't, nowhere is it mentioned

[lilac sorrel]

Did you read the log to see how much scrap spawned?

LLL typically errors and ‘rejects’ LL scrap in a log but that usually doesn’t despawn them

Storehouse could have a limited scrap spawning mesh but unlikely

[hot slate]

Nvm Ig Storehouse just limits scrap when at a size of 1.5

I changed it to 2.2, and Artifice is chock full of scrap again

Sorry for the unnecessary ping

[lilac sorrel]

Well no I needed to find the issue

So if you set it to 0.7 you expect a cap of ~15 scrap you think?

[hot slate]

Holy mother of god, it didn't fix it

I have no idea what's wrong with Artifice rn...

[lilac sorrel]

is it only artifice?

[hot slate]

Not sure, but it seems so

Lithium and Ooblterra didn't seem to have this issue

[lilac sorrel]

hm alright

[hot slate]

Happened on Titan just now

30 scrap when the min is 32

[lilac sorrel]

Hm, send the log please, I want to see what it’s set to and if it’s failing to place some or what

[hot slate]

Do I enable all logs?

[lilac sorrel]

What like lll?

I think the main messages are in the default log level for it

[hot slate]

Log levels, sorry

[lilac sorrel]

Oh yeah all

[hot slate]

Mk, will do after this session

[lilac sorrel]

👍

[hot slate]

Also, not sure if the problem with LLL has gotten so bad from its lack of updates, but CC can't affect the spawn of the custom entities from Ooblterra/Seichi

Only scrap

E.g. eye security can't spawn on Titan no matter what I do, so the logs that I'll send should say something abt that too Ig

[hot slate]

It only happens /w the eye security and oni apparently? What the fuck?? 😭

Wanderers & oobl ghost spawn just fine

Yeah, looking at Imperium's oracle rn; one should've spawned, but looking at the object explorer, they clearly didn't

Nevermind don't listen me anymore?? I may either be legitimately stupid, have a huge consistent case of confirmation bias, or Imperium fixes their spawns somehow

Nonetheless

[lilac sorrel]

That may be how they are registered

[hot slate]

Artifice still spawned /w 31 scrap tho, 1 short of 32, their custom minimum

[lilac sorrel]

I’ll have to check if it’s registered with ll or if it’s on its own

[hot slate]

Oki

[lilac sorrel]

I’ll have to read it in the morning since I got class and it’s 3am already

[hot slate]

Aight, take care and gn 👋

[lilac sorrel]

Gn

[lilac sorrel]

yeah this log ends before the game finished loading

[hot slate]

What the fuck

Hold on, I'll get another

Figured out that logs only save when you exit a lobby

Which is like, fucking stupid

But whatever

[lilac sorrel]

you have to go to a moon and have the issue

this log doesn't have the ship collider errors so it doesn't seem to opened a lobby?

like this log always looks like the game started opening and then got alt f4ed

[hot slate]

What the fuck

That's what I did...

[lilac sorrel]

huh

you don't have a log from LLL

usually it gives all the information about the day

also it looks like you have advancedcompany? That is likely to blame for any and all issues that could occur? I know batby was telling me it could not be supported to work alongside LLL?

[hot slate]

I don't have AdvancedCompany

[lilac sorrel]

odd

wonder why its in the log

[hot slate]

It is?? Tf

I've never installed AdvancedCompany on my new hardware, ever

[lilac sorrel]

ok its terminal formatter erroring when patching compat with it

[hot slate]

I'll try to get a log, but I have no idea how to make a log save

I thought it just saved every few min or so

[lilac sorrel]

code rebirth is erroring because you dont have modelreplacementapi

[lilac sorrel]

the log runs constantly while the application runs

you can just look at if unless you made it not open

[hot slate]

It's open, yeah

I'll just screenshot what I can then

[hot slate]

I'm about to go fucking insane

Artifice isn't spawning below 32 scrap, CC is not affecting Gorgonzola's power nor spawn curve, and entities are getting stuck on said moon

I have to enable both LLL's content configuration and CC's edits at the same time to get my edits of Gorgonzola to work

SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH

NOTHING is going how I want it to, I am about to lose it

[lilac sorrel]

getting stuck??

like gorgonzola has funky nodes?

does gordonzola not have surface creatures normally?

perhaps the dev didn't add ai nodes?

@mighty reef you iirc?

[hot slate]

@lilac sorrel HOLY SHIT

I GOT IT TO WORK

Idk if it'll inform you of spawn curves somehow though, but now I can finally get shit going /w the original problem: Artifice

HERE'S ARTIFICE

AUGH

Sorry for going off like a dumbass in your thread but I've debugged so much over the past week like GOD

[lilac sorrel]

do you still have issues?

or is it all good now

[hot slate]

Artifice still has the issue, but I must've just overlooked Gorgonzola

[lilac sorrel]

you have quite a few mods that change stuff and things so I think thats why you are the only person to be having this issues

nav issues?

[hot slate]

No, spawn curve issues

Right now, Gorgonzola's spawn curve is at 1.5

But entity spawns are going up to 10 PM, judging by Imperium's oracle

Unlike Artifice's oracle, where all entities spawn before 12 PM

[lilac sorrel]

each moon has their own spawn curve

its an animationcurve

its a wavy line

[hot slate]

I'm aware

[lilac sorrel]

so enemies are uhhh like done spawning??

I don't get why you saying there is an issue

[hot slate]

Both Artifice and Gorgonzola have a spawn curve of 1.5 as I've set thru your setting, however, Artifice's entities finish spawning at 12 PM, unlike Gorgonzola's majority of entities that extend to 10 PM

Not sure if that's just an issue /w Gorgonzola though ;w;

[lilac sorrel]

and this is a x-axis dilation?

also wdym "finish spawning"

[hot slate]

As in no more entities spawn beyond that time

[lilac sorrel]

you sure they didn't just all spawn?

if your issue is that enemies spawn too soon then why are you using the setting that makes enemies spawn sooner?

[hot slate]

No...

[lilac sorrel]

increasing the value above 1 will push all enemies spawns sooner since the spawn curve is being pinched

[hot slate]

I want Artifice's entities to spawn earlier, and they do, resulting in no other entities spawning beyond 12 PM (Afternoon), which is good
Gorgonzola on the other hand is not affected by the setting, and entity spawn times go all the way up to 11 PM, despite having the same setting as Artifice

Gorgonzola in my modpack is a Tier 4 moon, so y'know, I want it to be hard

[lilac sorrel]

ahhhhh

I can't really do much about that since its gorgonzola's spawn curve

I don't even know what it looks like

it may be an outlier in where it decays over time due to other hazards on the moon

the dev would have to show you what the curve looks like

[mighty reef]

Gorgonzola has AI nodes and Navmesh outside and normally works perfectly fine, I can't say what the issue is here Nor am I sure if it's even CC related

...actually, this might be a me issue as far as enemies getting stuck

[lilac sorrel]

yeah I don't edit the nav

just set moon values like scrap count and dilate spawn curves

[mighty reef]

Yeah apparently Gorgonzola's Navmesh has been broken for like a week x_x Apparently when I sent it to s1ckboy and he sent it back via Unity Version Control, at some point Unity decided I no longer needed the Navmesh

Super infuriating cuz it means it's been broken for a while

[lilac sorrel]

ah

yeah people find really weird random specific bugs in my thread idk why

[small mortar]

Probably cus for a while the mod had a lot of issues, so people generally assume it's this mod lol

[lilac sorrel]

Most of the issues from cc are just it not changing a thing when it should tbh

Like I think loading errors were the most common

[hot slate]

My friend's log:

My log:

Mineshaft seems to be desyncing between clients, and I'm not sure why. Could be an incompat /w RebalancedMineshaft, but again, I'm not sure.

[upper granite]

I'm wondering, does the CentralConfig plugin do anything with a DungeonFlow's branch size?

[hot slate]

Update: #1286974103323938850 message

01938238-6d71-9659-60d1-e80bf3434c04

[lilac sorrel]

very likely that

yeah reading the logs its doing a fuck ton of stuff to the dungeon size and layout of the dungeon

seed is synced

[lilac sorrel]

not branch size but the multiplier is adjusted by settings

[fossil niche]

Ive been running both of these mods every saturday and have never noticed a desync between the maps

on mineshaft

[lilac sorrel]

alright so they may have a third issue at play or a rare bug from that mod?

[hot slate]

I have no idea what mod/setting could it be causing it

[hot slate]

Lass...

I have confirmed that it was CentralConfig desyncing the interiors

Even with the interior settings off, it still desyncs them

[river wind]

:SeekTulip:

[hot slate]

I already sent the logs, so the most I can do now I send my modpack code for you to examine: 01938542-25c5-57fb-0fc4-b349c292a1eb

Actually, since I already have them on-hand right now, I'll send the newest logs anyway. Here is @river wind's log:

And here is mine:

[lilac sorrel]

Are you sure? nobody else has had this issue recently

and if you have the settings off and yeah nothing can be desyncing it

you must have another mod that is desyncing something

[hot slate]

I'm not sure what could be desyncing it, I've already tested the ones that I thought were the issue by disabling them and running the game /w a friend

So far I have disabled:

• Generic Interiors
• Scoopy's Variety Mod
• Gray Apartments Interior
• Runtime Netcode Patcher
• General Improvements
• Test Account Fixes
• Buttery Fixes
• Lethal Performance
• Additional Networking
• Lobby Control
• Lobby Improvements

None of which has given me any positive results, the only mod that has given me a positive result so far is this mod

[small mortar]

It's none of these

Turn off safeguards for one

Those seem to just cause issues, I saw reports of problems in Black Mesa's thread regarding those

[hot slate]

What's the second?

[small mortar]

Make sure everyone has the same configs

and make sure LLL isn't also applying weights

[hot slate]

Yuh, confirmed both of those.

[hot slate]

I doubt it's this since Purple has that on in his modpack, yet it causes no desyncs. I'll give it a shot, though.

[hot slate]

You could say

that I only have one shot

[hot slate]

Dead of Night

It didn't work

[lilac sorrel]

you haven't had any desync issues with cc recently yeah?

[small mortar]

Nope

[tawdry heath]

Reoccurring problem with SCP Dungeon not loading. I'm not sure why it keeps failing, but the logs told me to notify so I figured I'd send the logs

[small mortar]

Prolly the Safeguards

Also idk why it'd be looking for ModelReplacementAPI

[hot slate]

I beg of you to fix to old bird speed scaling sometime because this is just... yeah 😭 If it's even something you can fix

Hell, the spark towers seen here reuse the same nest/wake up code from the old birds, yet they're just fine

Even /w ButteryFixes' Unlimited Old Bird setting on, old birds beyond who's spawned just refuse to spawn

[lilac sorrel]

?

[lilac sorrel]

hhh

yeah this is a loadstone problem

I think ill have to blacklist the scp dungeon from it

[hot slate]

When the spawn curve is edited, little to no old birds spawn

As I've reported b4

[lilac sorrel]

then don't change the spawn curve

[hot slate]

TulipDread

[lilac sorrel]

this is an expected outcome

if you make enemies spawn earlier then they will spawn earlier

[hot slate]

Even when there's no other entities in the exterior roster?? Shouldn't be old birds be waking up earlier, not disappearing?

[lilac sorrel]

maybe zeekers did something weird with them?

I haven't had any issues with old bird count

Using the settings you have I was getting the correct amount of them to spawn

[hot slate]

Shrug, the only mod of mine that affects old birds at all is ButteryFixes, and the setting for them has always been disabled

[lilac sorrel]

yeah its confusing

as long as they intend to be spawned as decided by the unaltered method that plans outside enemies it should place down their 'nests' and as they spawn they will inherit the nest

[hot slate]

Also, an update on the interior desync thing: I disabled every setting in CC's dungeon section, and the interior desync stopped. I've come to the conclusion that since @frozen crystal's modpack doesn't have this issue, despite having the same settings enabled and working just fine, that there's either a mod conflict, or my game/modpack corrupted somehow

Are there any known mods that conflict /w CC

[frozen crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/pyro-tf2-wide-gif-26186534

hey like

no offense

but can you stop adding me to fourm posts by pinging me

thx

[frozen crystal]

(lethal company)

[hot slate]

Sure, whatever

[lilac sorrel]

are you sure your configs are synced?

[hot slate]

Yes, 100% positive

[lilac sorrel]

I can't recreate the issue hm

when i was testing what needs to be synced and what doesn't, only all of the dungeon size settings needed to be manually synced, I was planning on adding syncing for it but attaining it syncronously is a pain, I'm used to async functions

[mental merlin]

is it possible to spawn daytime entities in gordion using this mod?

[mighty reef]

Hypothetically yes however Gordion lacks AI nodes and Navmesh, so you'll need a mod such as NavmeshInCompany or similar

Otherwise the enemies will break and spam errors

[mental merlin]

I've tried using navmeshincompany but nothing spawns

[hallow jungle]

gordion doesn't have a spawn curve

nor time

i don't think it can spawn anything

[mighty reef]

That's why you'd use CentralConfig to change that lol

[lilac sorrel]

you can't shape curves, only scale them

[frozen crystal]

seems like central config doesnt always properly end days

its not the bug with time changing cause i never changed time on any moons

[mental merlin]

i wish there was a mod that allows gordion to spawn entities

[lilac sorrel]

there should be a few

[lilac sorrel]

it WHAT

you are the first person to ever have such an issue

You should test with no other mods

[frozen crystal]

well im not fully sure it is that, its just this was not happening in my mod pack until i switched from LLL to centralconfig for moon edits

[hot slate]

Same thing happens to me btw

[frozen crystal]

and i havent installed any other major mods

i think its cause of the setting for time to wait for the ship to land before starting

i just disabled it on every moon and it seems fine now

[lilac sorrel]

You said you weren’t using any settings

[hot slate]

Idk why he didn't mention this, but he proposed to me in vc that it could be the config option that freezes the timer until the ship lands

Both of us use that setting

[frozen crystal]

yeah as in i didnt change anything related to time initially

and all i did was disable it waiting to start once the ship lands to see if that fixed it

i changed nothing else related to it

[lilac sorrel]

Ah

Yeah zeekers code is kinda fucked when it comes to time so hhhh

What is happening? The day ends and it stays the same day?

Like it goes 3 days until quota again?

Zeekers measures how many seconds were spent on the moon then adds to it so that it equals a constant and moves the day one time (instead of just doing “oh it’s been a day, -1 days til quota”

Other than going to the company I don’t see any reason for the day to not pass

But I also don’t want to completely replace methods since other mods won’t work/I would need to recode them into the mod

[frozen crystal]

@lilac sorrel suddenly regret muting this forum post after blanca pinged me here...

it was mostly just days not passing, but one time it jumped from 3 days left to 5 days left

[lilac sorrel]

any other mods?

[keen wharf]

would there be an option to change routing messages?

like how on vanilla, all of the moons have "Enjoy your flight" message

while embrion has "Good luck."

[frozen crystal]

you can check yourself if you want to, as well as see if any settings are messed up in centralconfigs... config
01939f1b-01c8-155a-96a3-e406defb0803

but nah i dont have any other mods at all that mess with time

the closest is generalimprovements 24 hour clock setting but i dont use it since im not european

[lilac sorrel]

hard to say, if another mod is patching over the weird time stuff in vanilla it could be interferring with mine

rn I count the time spent in the level along with reduce the timeuntildeadline then find the difference between the time spent in the level and the manimum (980) and subtract that so it should always be 1 day

[frozen crystal]

@lilac sorrel i think i know whats causing this

its savescumming

i believe

[lilac sorrel]

Haven’t heard of that mod

What does it do?

[hot slate]

If I assume what they're describing correctly, it's not a mod

Save-scumming is when you restart the lobby mid-game to avoid losses

Aka, this bug only manifests when Purple restarts their lobby while the ship is landed, and this happens to me too

[lilac sorrel]

Ahhhhh

That makes sense

I’ll read my code again but it’s probably stuck

Also would carry over the time spent in the day so I need to clear that

[keen wharf]

?

[frozen crystal]

adamance also has it

and maybe artifice i dont remember

also its not guaranteed so

[fossil niche]

is there a way to alter the amount of traps (landmines, turrets and spike traps) based off the interior?

[lilac sorrel]

not through code

[lilac sorrel]

I was going to do that alongside modded traps but modded traps are inconsistent

I could add incrementation for trap count with just the 3 vanilla, takes up a lot of space tho

[heady arch]

@lilac sorrel https://github.com/ImpulsiveLad/CentralConfig/pull/11

[lilac sorrel]

Wait what did you have become nuget?

[heady arch]

less dlls to track locally? 🥲

[hot slate]

CC doesn't seem like it wants to generate an option to lock ||Penumbra||

Even adding the option manually through notepad results in it getting automatically removed upon reopening Lethal Company

[small mortar]

I mean I'm pretty sure locking moons would require a way to unlock them I had a handful of moons that couldn't be locked outside of Rosie's

[hot slate]

@woeful matrix I saw you typing both in Rosie's Mod thread and here, did you have anything of note to say?

[small mortar]

Locking them means you can't route to them, and with no way to unlock them they'll be unroutable

[hot slate]

Yes, that's exactly what I want

I don't like ||Penumbra||

[woeful matrix]

That's my bad lol I'm just lurking 🫡

[hot slate]

o ok

[small mortar]

Hiding it should be enough

[hot slate]

I guess, but I'd still prefer its existence from my modpack entirely wiped clean

Once it's discovered, my friends will want to go to it

Oh, what the fuck?

[small mortar]

What you got against it? I thought it was a really cool anomaly moon

[hot slate]

Since CC didn't override the registration of the moon, LLL is able to unregister it itself

That's cool

[small mortar]

I had to remove CC, CC explodes atm after WeatherRegistry's update

and I'm not downgrading WeatherRegistry since it contains bug fixes

[hot slate]

Generic, "Omg Matrix-like", and unanomalous

Pretty much a carbon copy of Untitled too, just without terrain

[small mortar]

Eh not really, but Penumbra is about to get improvements Rosie has been hyping it

[hot slate]

I like legitimate anomalies, not Matrix/simulation stuff

[small mortar]

You should experience DemonMae's

It's prolly my favorite

[hot slate]

I don't like what DemonMae does with her interiors, Lithium being among the worst

[small mortar]

I love DemonMae's moons

[hot slate]

She doesn't seem to have any intention of making it a config option, so I'd prefer not to use them

[small mortar]

The anomaly moon she did is peak

[hot slate]

So do I, they're fantastic

The interiors are bad though

[small mortar]

I disagree

Unreal Interiors I can understand Rrajigar and Nali aren't good imo but I love the UT99 ones

[hot slate]

Only ever played her Gray Apartments since they're more vanilla-like

Well, I technically also played her OneShot interiors, but that's far in the past

[hot slate]

What's its name

(Spoiler it if it's hidden by default)

[small mortar]

It's hidden and locked :3

[hot slate]

You can either give me the name, or I'll cheat it in myself lol

[lilac sorrel]

So you can use those instead? Not sure how they work

[lilac sorrel]

Yes, I let rosie handle that

[hot slate]

#1212942407306313788 message

[lilac sorrel]

It updated again??

[hot slate]

Did you mean you'll let Rosie handle that?

[lilac sorrel]

No like they have funny stuff they coded no?

[hot slate]

Apparently not

[lilac sorrel]

Eh whatever, ig I’ll remove it

[small mortar]

Yeah Mrov pushed that pr for you earlier cus it was error spamming

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah I’ll pull and release that when I’m back, at some birthdays rn

[lilac sorrel]

do the nugets remain publicized?

testing it rn with a maybe fix for time with savescumming

[lilac sorrel]

Fixdate {0.15.7}

• Fixed compatibility with new WeatherRegistry Update (thank u mrov<3)

• Fixed time settings skipping a day(s) until deadline if the player disconnects mid day but doesn't close the application (savescumming).

• Cleared hard blacklist for locking/unlocking certain moons that were story log unlocks (you can now lock Rosie's p moon).

[frozen crystal]

lol dope, nice to see i was right and help with that issue

[tidal fern]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/PanMan/LuigisMansionMoon_LLL/ any idea why this moon breaks central config? central config interior configs disappear if this mod is present

also for some reason it won't show up in the moons section on central config's config

[heady arch]

yes 😅

[lilac sorrel]

could be some missing data thing? I'll test

greattt, the log just tells me there is a null something on the moon

but yes I can see that it goes to process the moons and errors when it gets to that moon

ah interesting

it is not a moon value that it null
I know this because if I isolate and test every value of the moon (read route price in a launch, then only read scrap count in a launch) I will still see a null

this implies that the moon itself is null as it appears in PatchedContent.ExtendedLevels

Not sure what would cause this as LLL moons are all set in unity

I notified the dev, I cannot fix that on my end

[lilac sorrel]

I see how that works now, its the same data but grabbed from online instead of locally I would imagine?

[tidal fern]

thanks for looking in to it!

one more thing https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/WhiteSpike/Moon_Day_Speed_Multiplier_Patcher/ does this mod compatible with central configs time settings?

[hot slate]

It is not

[tidal fern]

oh

[hot slate]

It breaks CentralConfig's method of patching increased/decreased moon times

[lilac sorrel]

np, i've never seen that happen before so its maybe they didn't update an id thing from a template

[hot slate]

Kinda pulled a Lunxara by speaking for the dev, but it's something I've experienced for myself, so I figured might as well chime in

[lilac sorrel]

yeah, I'm guessing they do mostly the same thing?

[tidal fern]

two of the moons in my pack depends on this, i wonder would the moons break if i uninstall day speed patcher

or maybe if i don't touch the time related configs on the central? would that work?

[hot slate]

Not sure since I don't code, all I know is that MDSMP messes with CentralConfig's patch to the point that iIrc either days, or extra days are added to a quota when entering orbit

[lilac sorrel]

ok maybe not, their mod is a crazy wall of intermediate transcriptions

[hot slate]

Actually, I'm wondering if that's what caused Purple's quotas to fuck up

I'm not sure if they actually had said mod though, was it in their modpack when you looked?

[tidal fern]

i see, so i should delete one or the other i guess

[hot slate]

Depends on what Lass will say next

[lilac sorrel]

oh thats easy,
for god knows why there is timeuntildeadline in addition to daysuntildeadline

timeuntildeadline is decreased by the second but each day is 980 seconds so I use a number to count the seconds in the level and use 980-that to remove the rest of the day on the day passing

I did NOT account for disconnects so if you stay on a level for 5 minutes then dc and go again you will now be 5 minutes ahead on the quota

Now I correctly reset the time in the level to 0 and add back the time spent into the timeuntildeadline

[hot slate]

I like your funny words, Magic Woman

(I have no fucking clue what you're talking about, I'm again not a dev lol)

[lilac sorrel]

disconnecting would break a thing since a number i use in the deadline math is not reset so it carries over

[hot slate]

Now we're talking (I understand now)

[lilac sorrel]

ok yeah reading this it just changes some math via transpliers so that it doesn't skip/add days to the deadline

my mod uses some open numbers I translate about and directly overrides those time methods so if you have CC you do not need that fix

I handle the time differently

ig it you are not using time multipliers through cc and are from something else then it may work since I should be skipping my methods

I haven't seen if lgu's quantum disrupter works with cc with/without time settings

I think whitespike really really likes transpliers so its hard to understand what its really doing

[tidal fern]

hmm then i would do that probably

[lilac sorrel]

it is doesn't work I'll probably have to add soft compat to grab the current time modifier from lgu and multiply that with the global one

yeah I double checked, I think its just moveglobaltime and passtimetonextday that I handle totally different and they both return true immediately (run unaltered by me) if time settings are false

[tidal fern]

i see, btw i have never come across any issue with both mods present.

i mostly tested solo tho

[lilac sorrel]

I doubt it would have a gameplay impact yeah

[heady arch]

Yeah, exactly

[misty shoal]

If you have CC, there's no point having this mod as it will never run.

[small mortar]

Your mod also appears to be solely for doing those tweaks in LLL's config from what I understand lol

[misty shoal]

It's for whatever allows you to modify the data already available from the moons.

[small mortar]

Ye

[misty shoal]

Because there was a couple of moon makers arguing over the day speed multiplier having to be set to 1.0 because anything else would cause unexpected behaviour.

The mod is solely to open that avenue.

[lilac sorrel]

yeah, it is kinda the silly how zeekers has it exist but moveglobaltime doesn't factor it in while it easily can its like 4 lines and the timespeedmultiplier is used just above

[misty shoal]

Artifacts are prone to happen when changing mechanics.
This is probably due to changing from hour/minute til deadline to day til deadline and the moon speed multiplier was left behind during the change.

[lilac sorrel]

Yes

[small mortar]

Still throws that error I sent you before on Lobby disconnect btw - unsure if you still plan to fix that but wanted to mention it :3

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah I’ll probably rewrite it so it has everything anyway

[hot slate]

Issue /w the custom description feature where it only appears after you switch moons/land the ship

Oh yeah, and again a patch to increase the character limit on this thing so you can see the full description would be nice

Makes the feature semi-redundant without it

[river wind]

so thats why exp sometimes shows up as hazard level B when its supposed to be D..

[hot slate]

Yeah

[lilac sorrel]

yeah that doesn't update

i guess it doesn't read the moon properties on that screen? I'm not sure

[lilac sorrel]

character limit?

[hot slate]

Yeah

Below Climate should be Fauna, but it cuts off

[lilac sorrel]

I fit the whole bee movie script on screen

well not on screen

but there doesn

't seem to be a character limit

[hot slate]

How come the rest of my description isn't appearing then?...

[lilac sorrel]

hm not sure

[hot slate]

This is the full thing for reference:

SECTOR: Arsenal
POPULATION: Inhabited
CLIMATE: 130°F Arid, minimal breathable air. Flat terrain, composed of amethyst, containing a thriving fauna-based ecosystem underground.
FAUNA: High number of fauna in a geothermal cave network located below this sector, of which rarely surfaces.

I have no idea what other mod could be causing this, and... I believe I've had enough debugging my modpack atm

Good news though that the interior desyncs no longer manifest it seems

[lilac sorrel]

ah its 5 rows, 15 columns

[summer moon]

thats only relevant for editor

[hot slate]

Do you mind doing a quick patch of this sometime to increase its rows 'n columns so y'know, it works?

[hot slate]

I also imagine this isn't fixable?

[lilac sorrel]

I mean the method is reading and using it

[hot slate]

Odd

[lilac sorrel]

isn't the terminal text typed using an editor? I feel like I remember the moons screen being hand typed and spaced?

[summer moon]

yeah but that attribute has no relevence on how the game works

it controls how big the textbox in editor is

[hot slate]

Isn't that the sole issue though?

[summer moon]

are you modifying this in the unity editor

[hot slate]

...I'm using CentralConfig, so I pretty much have no idea of all this technical stuff

[lilac sorrel]

nah, the person is just saying that typing too much text prevents the game from rendering it

[summer moon]

then that attribute is not relevant

the game doesnt know it exists

[lilac sorrel]

Its displayed like this

maybe the max characters property for the textmeshprougui is set somewhere?

by default its 8 so it has to be set by zeek

looking that up it seems that actually an allocation thing not a text property

TextMeshProUGUI shouldn't have a character limit

The only thing I can think would be a line limit for the hud element, I haven't made a hud text in unity but I would imagine it has a set portion of the screen to use and does not auto size the text to fit

[hot slate]

Probably

[lilac sorrel]

Fix {0.15.8}

• Fixed interior shuffler picking the same random number for every interior on day passing.

(I was seeding the random generator INSIDE the foreach loop 😔)

so yeah instead of adding say 3 rarity to all moons it will be random correctly now

(but still synced since it is seeded)

actually wait interior selection is host only anyway so it only runs on host

whatever

[summer moon]

only if people use LLL

[lilac sorrel]

I don't think there are any modded interiors that don't

LLL is a dep too, its all built around types in it

like ExtendedLevel and ExtendedDungeonFlow

[small mortar]

I'm glad to see you 2 getting along now

[hot slate]

They had beef? Tf?

[small mortar]

Yeah Batby and Lass used to not get along quite often

So it's good to see them getting along

[hot slate]

?? Why tf isn't CC registering Poolroom's existence

It's just not there

0193b219-9943-c318-14af-8eebd8325b99

Yeah, if I use LLL's config instead, it registers just fine

[frozen crystal]

this is why i dont use the by tag feature

[hot slate]

I don't use that

I use by moon name

[frozen crystal]

whar

[hot slate]

I'm sorry? You're using it yourself though?

[frozen crystal]

i dont use the by tag thing

you put the weight string into by tag but you just said you dont use tags

[hot slate]

I use this, but I'll try that

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[heady arch]

planet TAGS, not names

[hot slate]

WAIT WHAT

Wait I may be a dumbass

...Never listen to me again.

[frozen crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/maneater-lethal-company-bye-chat-bye-chat-gif-620758812306429858

[hot slate]

A90Agony

I accidentally put its weights in tags, not names

[lilac sorrel]

(skill issue)

you are putting planet names in the tags

[hot slate]

True...

[lilac sorrel]

silly

[hot slate]

ManeaterCry

[haughty lion]

Right now, i am using LLL to set what interiors spawn on what moons, and i am using LQ to handle stuff like scrap/enemy spawns, moon routing prices etc. basically everything else
However messing with interior sizes via LLL apparently doesnt work, and LQ desyncs if you mess with interiors from my experience
Would i be able to add CentralConfig to my pack and just change the size multipliers for interiors without needing to change anything else / import a bunch of other configs from those mods?

[small mortar]

It's easy to copy and paste your interior weights over to CC tbh, and if using CC I pretty much recommend it, I've noticed with LLL I roll the same interior a lot more for whatever reason

[fossil niche]

I myself have not tried with LLL and I dont run LQ and Central Config

but just CentralConfig I have done this very easily by enabling dungeon size options

[haughty lion]

Alright, i might give it a go
I just dont wanna throw something into the bingo pack thats gonna conflict n stuff this close to the event and have to mess around with it for a while

[small mortar]

I would just recommend blacklisting the vanilla interiors in CC and letting only LLL handle those

since moon devs alter those constantly

Like this

[haughty lion]

Odd
Why wouldnt it be the same as LLL where i set the weights of the vanilla interiors on the moon?

[lilac sorrel]

dungeon size has to be synced between all players, that is not rpced

so you have to use the same config for sure if you use dungeon size stuff

[small mortar]

Oh I mean it would be I just personally never alter anything with the vanilla interiors

lol

so I like to just blacklist them from generating in CC

[haughty lion]

i mean ik they will all need the same config

[haughty lion]

Ah yeah
I do, i dont mess with the sizes but i change which moons they spawn on and adjust the weights

[small mortar]

Yeah I personally like to just leave the Vanilla Interiors alone

[hot slate]

What? Why?

What do moon devs do /w the vanilla interiors that're so important

[small mortar]

I mean anytime you add new moons it adds those entries, and every once in a while weights get readjusted for some moons

Meanwhile if you've manually tweaked it I'm pretty sure it won't add those automatically

[hot slate]

I've never had them manifest, so

Volition and Attenuation didn't have an int until I gave them one, and it didn't put its weights in by default

[small mortar]

I remember Attenutation generating Mineshaft by default and Volition should favor Mansion

[hot slate]

Volition is the Gray Apartments and Attenuation is the Poolrooms for mine lol

(Volition's sector is a train station, and Attenuation's sector is an animal sanctuary)

[small mortar]

Poolrooms I will never readd to my pack, the lack of tile variety and always getting the same layout soured that interior for me

XD

It's a nice interior but it really does not fit into LC very well

[hot slate]

Yeah it could use some variety, but it's the only other good vanilla-like int aside from Storehouse

(Cozy Office is good, but I didn't mention it because I use Gray Apartments over it)

[small mortar]

I miss the Mental Hospital

[hot slate]

Mental Hospital was a fucking mess

[small mortar]

It was such a cool interior though

[hot slate]

Built off of free models with horrendous performance

I wouldn't say it's cool because mental hospitals aren't my thing in horror lol

[hot slate]

I wonder who that reminds me of

(Please do not fuck up the Hadal Laboratory)

[small mortar]

I think your performance issues have to do with some of the mods you use from the sound of it cus I never had any performance issues with it besides when it had issues with generating entrances

and that got fixed

[hot slate]

This was way back when, waaaaay before CC finally got on its feet

Way before v50

[hot slate]

Have you even played it?

[small mortar]

I ended up having to pull it due to it having some corrupted asset in it's bundle that would cause crashes on game launch

[hot slate]

Lord

[river wind]

i hear performance issues and its an instant tulipdread..

[hot slate]

I was gonna say Storehouse reference but apparently another mod is just fucking /w it

What mod? God knows

[river wind]

true..

[lilac sorrel]

my main issue with the mental hospital is that it always gigantic and physically cannot load any smaller than a specific size

I will walk around for the entire day and find 1 thing

[frozen crystal]

the mental hospital interior update is coming soon guys trust

[keen wharf]

2032 🔥🔥

[small mortar]

Xen Interior is worse with this

Even if you downscale it to a reasonable size all the loot seems to generate in 1 specific spot

[frozen crystal]

this is honestly a frequent modded interior issue

so, loot spawns by using a circle radius attached to rooms

for example, locker rooms in facility

the hallways of facility dont actually have loot circles

but loot can spawn in them due to loot circles bleeding into their area

a lot of modded interiors set up very minimal loot circles for rooms

and therefore its harder to find loot in modded interiors usually

[hot slate]

Purple, I asked you a damn question in the gc

[frozen crystal]

why im assuming developers dont set up the circles is cause they assume loot can spawn anywhere by default and the circles are just able to make more loot spawn in specific areas

but no if an interior had no circles, no loot spawns at all

[frozen crystal]

feature request: disabling the ability for moons to be selected as the challenge moon

[mental merlin]

it was neat imo

[mental merlin]

thats true

xen looks great but like i see no scrap

[lilac sorrel]

For the weekly thing?

[frozen crystal]

yes

it is a niche feature, but im sure some mod pack developers would appreciate it, cause moons with disabled routing can still be the challenge moon, and if they only want a specific moon from a moon pack that doesnt have separate download options, its a tad annoying

ran into this issue with snipers moons before he made them all separated downloads

[lilac sorrel]

interesting

I thought the dev specifically picked the moon itself and not just a seed

[proper canopy]

its a system that randomly selects the moon and scrap multipler and stuff

[lilac sorrel]

ah, that would do it

[frozen crystal]

no, it randomly selects a moon in the roster and then applies random modifiers

thats why v50 beta and v49 had different challenge moons for like 2 weeks

[lilac sorrel]

Update {0.16.0}

• Added new setting Adjust Dungeon Size for PlayerCount - Same math and location as the ScrapValue adjustment for PlayerCount but dungeon size is directly correlated to PlayerCount. This setting has its own Threshold,Percent,PercentChange, and Min/Max Values.

• Changed some descriptions for scaling settings to clarify calculations. !!This may default their values!!

• Tweaked Fine Override math and added more text variants, (now has custom text for when you make money from dying horribly).

• When using a scrap saver and all players die, the scrap collected that round is now displayed correctly in the EndGameStats, (was previously shown as 0).

• Fixed the mod breaking when a moon name contains an apostrophe.

• The default value for dungeon selection by route price now omits 0 rarity entries.

• The Cyrillic lettered moons used by RebalancedMoons no longer appear as duplicate moons in the config (they cannot be visited so there is no need to edit them). These moons are also omitted in the default values for dungeon selection by PlanetName.

• Edited some logs.

• The crown from Scoopy's Variety is now affected by the scrapValueMultiplier (as a treat<3).

[hot slate]

Was this to fix the issue /w the description pop-up as you land not scaling, or is this something different?

[lilac sorrel]

no

that I cannot fix

[hot slate]

rip

[hot slate]

hi 0193c933-210a-2dca-98d1-dc86f40c7f76

Whatever this is ends up crashing the game upon clicking on the main menu's exit button

[lilac sorrel]

That’s not an issue

Just a null thing on disconnect, can be like 50 things

It’s not crashing the game, it closed because you closed the game

[hot slate]

Strange

It's gotten me that Unity crash pop-up

[fossil niche]

they arent even in the vents?

also isnt that a modded interior?

[lilac sorrel]

odd

[night wagon]

I do like this mod a lot and read all of the settings but I am currently suffering from this weird issue where monsters that have max spawn count appear more. For example, there were 4 blobs at a same time or 3 SCP427-1 which I put max spawn count of 1 or 2 ghost girls appearing simultaneously. Is there a way to fix spawn count by using this mod? or do you possibly know why this is occurring?

[lilac sorrel]

where are they originating?

this mod does not change the individual max counts for enemies so perhaps they are spawning as part of different spawn types?

or it may be because there are several entries of that enemy in the spawn pool, if you have girl:50, and girl:53, I believe 2 can spawn? haven't tested that

it depends on if it is returning the enemies count and checking the whole scene for them first or if its just incrementing the spawn counts for each entry in the spawn pool individually

[night wagon]

I double checked the entries but there were no multiple entries

Maybe then it is occurring because of other mods such as lethal escape or lost enemy fix

ty for the reply

[frozen crystal]

thats not true

if there are multiple spawn weights of the same thing in one string, the game adds both into a final total number

thats why assurance has so many bottles spawn, it has 111 spawn weight for bottles

zeekerss accidentally put two bottles spawn weight entries into assurances loot table

one with 58 weight, one with 53

[lilac sorrel]

where is that?

[frozen crystal]

check the default string

its literally true

[lilac sorrel]

no I mean like what method is the strings entries getting abridged

[frozen crystal]

oh im not sure about that

i just know the game adds all entries of the same thing into a final big number

[lilac sorrel]

I just can't find that anywhere in the code

you may just be thinking about how it works mathwise

this isn't about selection however, this is about if it is actually removing duplicate entries when spawning enemies or if they are considered to be separate possibilities, iirc correctly the logs indicate that if you have butler:100,butler:100,butler:100... etc. then enemy 0 will be butler, enemy 1 will be butler, enemy 2 will be butler and so on

when it plots out which enemies to spawn it may be saying oh well enemy #7 (the butler) hit its spawn cap so instead it will spawn enemy #4 (another butler) which has not hit its spawn cap

[frozen crystal]

ill check if thats a thing in vanilla

well
ill use LLL to do it but

still basically vanilla

[fossil lichen]

spawn cap is managed by the enemytype so this does not apply

there isn't any code that adds weights together, but having the same item on the list multiple times is mathematically identical to adding all of their weights into a single entry

if a moon has ghost girl twice on the list, her effective spawn weight will be those two weights added together

but both would reference the same enemy type and both would be subject to the same spawn cap

you can not get 2 ghost girls at once

[summer moon]

its possible somewhere in LLL does this but because of your reasoning

[lilac sorrel]

yeah hard to know

cc doesn't affect max count for the enemies and I have never seen more than one ghost girl in a day so its probably another mod

[hot slate]

I wasn't able to replicate this with two lan clients, but

custom moon prices for the vanilla moons don't change for clients

Only for the host it does

Idk why

@fast charm

This might be your doing

Since

CC doesn't register your custom vanilla scenes anymore

But Idk

[fast charm]

do you use uhh

diminishing returns perchance

just wondering

[hot slate]

No

[fast charm]

ok

im not sure

uhh

[hot slate]

I used to

But I got rid of it and its config awhile back

[fast charm]

you said you couldnt replicate this in lan?

[hot slate]

Yes

I was not able to

[fast charm]

that's really strange

[hot slate]

The prices were of the custom ones I set

[fast charm]

to me it sounds like config desync somehow but im not entirely sure

[hot slate]

Me neither

HOLD ON

IT IS YOU

ARTIFICE, THE ONLY MOON YOU HAVEN'T EDITED YET IN REBALANCEDMOONS, IS OF A CUSTOM PRICE FOR SOOZGOOZ

$1625

Revolutionary

@fast charm

[fast charm]

?

oh i see