Central Config

[lilac sorrel]

but if you have the setting to ditch duplicates then the 0 would be kicked out in favor of the highest rarity of that enemy in that pool

[crude sentinel]

Do u know if scarlet devil mansion works?

[elfin nexus]

heyo i have this problem of using this for custom interior only, result in stuck on showing seed( the console said its gonna go to facility as failsafe but its not doing it)
its pretty random so idk how to reproduce it lol

gonna try playing again without the failsafe protection now see if its any better

[lilac sorrel]

hm, do you have logs?

[elfin nexus]

i lost the log copy but two instances that i remember were trying to load the tomb on aquatis and scp on adamance
reopening the lobby fixed it somehow

oh wait i got it

stucc

[crude sentinel]

The Tomb?

I haven’t seen this

[elfin nexus]

nah its just really random and idk how to reproduce except brute forcing by landing leave repeat
(or if youre talking about you havent tried the interior, if so yeah its pretty new)

[lilac sorrel]

hmm, weird how it doesn't accept any size multiplier

[elfin nexus]

its weird that it failed more than the 20capped vanilla tries(?)
and failed the failsafe to change the interior 😂 😭

[lilac sorrel]

mhm yeah

[proper canopy]

the failsafe failed 😔

[lilac sorrel]

hhh

ok so there are 2 issues

the bunker, tomb, and scp dungeon in specific don't load and seperately, the safegaurd doesn't for some reason

[lilac sorrel]

tomb didn't fail for me

ok now it fails if I make it be too large to being with

[lilac sorrel]

fixed it

just need to call Cancel() in dungeongenerator

before calling generate() again

and now the tomb and scp interior are also skipped (so don't make its size clamp crazy)

[tawdry heath]

Is there a way I can replicate the min/max moon scrap value that LLL's configs have? (Using this mod)

Oh wait nvm I suppose I could just use LLL for that and turn scrap overrides off

[lilac sorrel]

what?

oh

@tawdry heath You mean mintotalscrapvalue and maxtotalscrapvalue?

Those are entirely and completely unused

[tawdry heath]

Wait fr

Like these ones?

[tawdry heath]

@lilac sorrel This gonna ruin my whole system if it’s real

[prime garden]

Use min scrap and max scrap

Those scrap values are unused really

[tawdry heath]

Alright, I guess I’ll just have to redo the math part

[prime garden]

Yep

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah the scrap spawning method gets a number to spawn between the min and max, the weighted scrap list affects what’s picked, the value is just the value from those scrap items values added up

[tawdry heath]

So wait does it still do anything?

Oh nvm

So any advice on how to go about redoing the math or do I just have to restart?

[prime garden]

Depends what u trynna do, there really isn't a way to do the math with random scrap like this

You just have to balance it with feels depending on the interior size

The number of scrap u allow

Different types of scrap

And their usual values

[tawdry heath]

I’m just trying to ensure a range of profit, which is what I assumed those two values did

I guess I’ll just take an average and go from there

[lilac sorrel]

you could use my math here as a base

its based on the difficulty rating LLL assigns, its a lot of math based on some stuff, you can find how its set in the github for LLL

the main thing is that I don't believe its taking in the more subjective(?) difficulty created by the surface map shape or visual effects such as with how you can't see shit inside on asteroid13 which makes it harder despite not having the worst enemy pool

[lilac sorrel]

iirc this was with 0 modded enemies added, just the base night, day, and indoor enemy lists

[tawdry heath]

I’m sure the boomba and 096 shouldn’t shake it too much, since they’re slotted in everywhere

Also thanks for the math, I’ll definitely be using that to start

[kindred gorge]

help it's not generating the nedw con fig even after choosing my optiuons and opening a lobby

[crude sentinel]

uninstall mod and delete config then reinstall the mod and follow instructions

[kindred gorge]

nnah it worked im just dumb

[kindred gorge]

do the weather options interfere with weather registry and betaweathertweaks?

nvm just readf the ooption again

[lilac sorrel]

Update {0.9.1}

• Fixed default dungeon catch not loading.

• The Tomb and SCP interiors are now also skipped in the shrinking process.

• Changed how the ship and main entrance scan nodes are found, should now support ~95% of modded moons.

• Cleaned up config typos again.

[crude sentinel]

Thanks mommy

[lilac sorrel]

yeah i don't recommend using it with mrovs weather stuff

[crude sentinel]

I see ur bio and I knew it was a chevelle line

[lilac sorrel]

good

[crude sentinel]

thanks

should I be brave and try swapping out LQ with Central Config?

Finally got everything stable in online co-op, interiors always load with no desync , also using Loadstone

But enemy spawns feel off compared to v49 LQ

[crude sentinel]

im assuming Loadstone dungeon generation optimization is incompatible with Central Config overhaul?

[lilac sorrel]

I tested and am using it in my pack with both, afaik they work just fine together

[crude sentinel]

Okay sweet

Also if im editing interior stuff with Central Config should I disable the config section in LLL?

[lilac sorrel]

I believe it just sets some built in settings for dungen that just moves how the code is spaced out but it runs the same

[crude sentinel]

For rarity and level name

[proud needle]

perfectly

[lilac sorrel]

whatever is in LLL should update the default in CC, my code runs after so it should override it. i personally copy "Default Values Were Empty" under everything in LLL and set it all in my mod just in case something gets skipped

[lilac sorrel]

yeah idk whats up with the scp, tomb, and bunker, so far those are the only dungeons where it can load at say 1x 40 times, then try 0.95, 0.90, 0.85.. till it gets to 0, try again from 2x down. and they just don't load

[crude sentinel]

I’ll do that too

I do that for tags

I just have every single moon in a comma separated list to rule out doubts for tags like All

[proud needle]

i've experimented with MapTileSize and it didn't work - so i have no idea how to fix it yet😂

[lilac sorrel]

thats the value that the size is divided by yeah?

[crude sentinel]

it’s the moon guy!

[proud needle]

in vanilla, the mansion has a 1.5 and the factory a 1

[crude sentinel]

The moon guy 2

[lilac sorrel]

yes that one

[proud needle]

maybe i'll think of something😅

[lilac sorrel]

I use it in the math to get the intial multiplier then its clamped based on which interior it is then the value after is whats passed to generate

[crude sentinel]

What in the world

[upper granite]

I have a question about trap overrides.

Moons have a spawn curve with how they spawn traps.

Does this mod make the curve for traps linear?

[lilac sorrel]

In theory it shouldn’t make it linear

[crude sentinel]

Hey so in theory I should be able to use Remove Duplicate Enemy weights from this in conjunction with LQ yea?

[upper granite]

The curve is adjusted dynamically then?

[crude sentinel]

Hey

Your remove Duplicate Enemy Weights is very nice

Is there any way you could make it so it actually only keeps the lowest weight?

A lot of enemy mods have no config and I’m guessing the spawn weight is usually 20-50

So the most effective way to override any existing weights would be to scale down enemy spawn weights all together with the highest being like 20 for the most common

Then with your removing duplicates and keeping the lowest could nullify hardcoded rarity and put an Uber scary modded enemy at like 5

[lilac sorrel]

I’m not 100% sure but it’s a new curve I believe where the min and max are multiplied, I like it inherits the shape, hard to be sure

[lilac sorrel]

I can yeah

[crude sentinel]

Oh boy oh boy oh boy 😱

[lilac sorrel]

Just add a bool that is ordered the other direction

[crude sentinel]

Realizing that rarity weight is an added total from all sources and not overriden by the final number in line , turned my world upside down

But also made a lot of things make sense

For now I just set the weight to 1 on every enemy with a config then manually set them with other mods

anyway enough ramble u know what I’m getting at

thank u btw

[crude sentinel]

the remove duplicates portion of CC works without having enemy overrides enabled right?

[crimson flicker]

if i were trying to get items and enemies from newly added mods to show up, would i have to uninstall central config and reinstall it? and delete the actual config file itself

[kindred gorge]

nope

it should add them to the config when you open up a lobby if i remember correctly

[crimson flicker]

youre right 👍 thank you

[crude sentinel]

@lilac sorrel

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah it’s only checked by its own bool

[crude sentinel]

For now I set some of the rarity to like 300 to try and utilize the function but in the console I saw some enemy had a rarity weight of 417

I’m gonna scale everything even higher and see if that works

Either that or LQ passes by your bool

[proper canopy]

I think max weight is 100

[crude sentinel]

Interesting okay

I thought it was 99999

[proper canopy]

9999 for interiors, 100 for scrap and entities

[crude sentinel]

Hmmmmmmmm okok

I want to use LQ for entities but I’m starting to think all my imbalances are coming from LQ

Cuz it def said rarity of 417 for one of the enemies last night. It uses some sort of segregated system for weights

I just don’t feel like figuring out what the correct name is for every enemy to type into CC

But I think I will bite the bullet

[lilac sorrel]

I set it all to 99999

You pass it as an argument when creating a xWithRarity

[crude sentinel]

What’s this mean in layman terms?

[lilac sorrel]

laymens term is a lot of more complex

[crude sentinel]

Fairly almost very certain interiors are 99999 because it’s the default rarity for some interiors paired with moons

[crude sentinel]

Well why did you set it to 99999 I guess?

[lilac sorrel]

why not?

[proper canopy]

oh i didnt know xd

[crude sentinel]

Okay I guess what I’m asking is, did u set the rarity to 99999 for testing purposes, or you made the highest possible rarity value 99999 for the mod

[lilac sorrel]

yeah I made it 99999 so it has a pretty high cap

[crude sentinel]

okay it’s settled I just need to figured out all the enemy names that Central Config wants vs what shows in LQ

then with ur overrides and duplicate removal I will have true control over rarity

[lilac sorrel]

cc uses the enemyName property

[crude sentinel]

Cuz I can just make the highest rarity like 1000 with ur mod and surely the cc values will always be the highest

[crude sentinel]

is this something I could view in the game with mods in relation to their in-game name?

[lilac sorrel]

hm, you could check them in lethaldevmode at least

[crude sentinel]

I’ll check it out, thanks

[lilac sorrel]

np

[crude sentinel]

uhhh one last question

these are the names cc will want yea?

not the ID as reflected in LQ?

this is a better example

i should use Bunker Spider, not SandSpider for CC?

@lilac sorrel pls

[lilac sorrel]

yes

[crude sentinel]

well frick

[lilac sorrel]

Name

[crude sentinel]

for the remaining enemies i don't want spawned should i declare the rarity 0 or do i have to fill in anything?

also Mirage uses its own spawn system entirely so im pretty sure i shouldnt add those to the CC config right?

[lilac sorrel]

not sure when mirage adds enemies, if its not in the default value then yeah its after

[lilac sorrel]

just leave it blank for that enemy

[crude sentinel]

any good way to just patch all enemy spawning methods so they stay true to what im trying to do with CC?

similar to https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DBJ/ShyGuyPatcherPatcher/

but for all? 🤔

[crude sentinel]

btw for rolling giant, the name is just RollingGiant for inside and outside

how will it know which one to spawn?

im not really sure why it matters either im guessing ai

shoutout to windows sticky notes app fr

[lilac sorrel]

You’d have to ask the dev, I’m guessing it’s the same enemy and the code just checks if they are outside on spawning?

[zenith bough]

Will this mod work with lethal quantities if I don’t touch the enemy settings in that mod?

[desert hamlet]

I dont understand what reason there is to use both

[zenith bough]

Unfortunately there are certain enemy mods that don’t work with lethal quantities. Specifically the flamingos scp breaks with lethal quantities. It can’t do its spawning behavior

[crude sentinel]

Yes

I use LethalQuantities to make all enemies killable and adjust their HP and power level. You can touch the settings but leave the rarity box unchecked if you’re using Enemy Overrides in central config

[desert hamlet]

would like to change power levels but tbh dont really wanna mess with both

[crude sentinel]

I get ya

I already had LQ setup so it was easy enough to just uncheck the Rarity checkboxes lol

[zenith bough]

So an issue I’m having is I’m not touching the dungeon part of the config yet it is changing my interiors

I just want to alter the enemy pool

[crude sentinel]

Hmmmm

That’s interesting

[crude sentinel]

So I should do something like this?

flowerman:50,oni:,bunker spider:50

If I want to make it so the oni doesnt spawn?

This would probably require the inverse of Remove Duplicates we were talking about

Enemies that aren’t declared for the moon in CC are still in the spawning table upon landing

[lilac sorrel]

Nah, you would need to not add the oni

If it’s built into the enemy pool for a moon you can remove it from there

Nothing is the default for adding/swapping enemies by weather/tag/dungeon

[crude sentinel]

sounds good

I want to deep dive my CentralConfig for a heavy overhaul on stuff

but i'm afraid i might have to redo the config when you drop the update for the inverse of Remove Duplicates

[lilac sorrel]

I doubt it would break that

[crude sentinel]

Okay bet

[shell heath]

can I stop scrap from spawning?

[crude sentinel]

spawn scrap by moon tag > All:0

@shell heath

holy fuck i am cooking

this modpack is gonna show the true power of centralconfig

[shell heath]

but am asking I only whant fish and big bolts to spawn

[crude sentinel]

well yes im sure it can do that i dont know exactly how you would go about it tho

[shell heath]

oh

[crude sentinel]

Should radmech be spawned as a daytime enemy or night?

[elfin nexus]

night

[lilac sorrel]

All together? As in no scrap on a moon?

[crimson flicker]

got an issue. im certain this mod is breaking one of my moons. im just not sure what its doing and why its breaking. other moons work, company building, experimentation, orion, modded moons.

the moon breaking is modded also, its secret labs

one thing i know is that in the console it says centralconfig tried to devide by zero. i also know that the option to change the price of the moon isnt working either

[crude sentinel]

I thought that mod was outdated in general

[crimson flicker]

secret labs?

[crimson flicker]

apparently i reset the config for centralconfig and all these problems went away?? weird. but thank you anyway

[crude sentinel]

This was why I was scared to overhaul the config last night…. Too late now 😅

[crimson flicker]

yeah im really scared to edit the configs in this mod cause it could break at any time and i'd have to built my modpack from the ground up again

[chrome kettle]

I highly recommend making a spreadsheet to keep track of everything / copy your input strings from. That way if you have to reset the config you just have to re-paste everything

[crimson flicker]

true, ive done that already

[crude sentinel]

Why does the config seem to break with this mod in particular though? This is like the 5th time I’ve seen someone say that regenerating the config fixed their issue and it’s a bunch of unrelated issues

I have moon enemy power, scrap amount, moon pricing , and enemy spawn rarity all overhauled with this mod…. Even with copying and pasting it’s like a 1hr task

[crimson flicker]

im not sure

its scary

[desert hamlet]

this is really why im on the fence about swapping to CC

Its REALLY easy tp brek shit

when with LQ I gotta just through hoops to make it work right but at least most things either work or can be covered easily by another mod

I REALLY hope the problems are ironed out and or LQ dev returns

[crude sentinel]

It’s not looking hopeful

[desert hamlet]

A man can dream

[crude sentinel]

It really sucks cuz it provides such easy access to enemy HP and power level and killable, etc

[desert hamlet]

it was just way easier in general to use

[desert hamlet]

was it confirmed setting enemy values to 0 for enemies that have configs works to fix the LQ issue

[crude sentinel]

Yes but so many are hard coded

Seichi, Rosie’s, Harvest

[desert hamlet]

like is impossible to make them spawn other places

[desert hamlet]

?

[crude sentinel]

No im saying like, Seichi has the Oni. The oni spawning is not configurable

So whatever you put into LQ will just pile onto the existing spawn rate given by the DLL

[desert hamlet]

Maybe ill request those mods to add configs for them

would be good for everyone imo

[drifting hull]

So I think something changed about Central Config in one of the updates, and I'm no longer seeing how to add tags to moons? I am very well just not understanding which option needs to be on for that to appear.

[desert hamlet]

good, players should NOT touch tags

they can fuck up A LOT

[drifting hull]

just poking 2 moons to add tags to make dungeon gen scheme in modpack work everywhere because some moons are missing tags when they should have some. And it was fine, and it's all of this on the more advanced end anyways?

So the option was removed because it was dangerous?

[desert hamlet]

Just checked and its still there

[drifting hull]

ok I'm going to wipe config, that's probably the issue, it probably bugged out

that or I don't know what option needs to be enabled, because I just don't see it now

[desert hamlet]

I dont know the exact details but ive seen devs say tags are used for A LOT and changing them can fuck up in a lot of ways

[drifting hull]

Not removing any, and I'm fairly sure adding to ones that have none will be fine, as it was seemingly fine before, but I looked back at the config to add one more and I found that part of the config I had done before gone, and the option to reenable it seemingly missing, so here I am

[desert hamlet]

I heard that at least before if you enabled tag configs you would have to set them manually for ALL moons

all or nothing

[drifting hull]

Wasn't an issue before? Also if you see this, what in Moons needs to be enabled? because I've been flipping things on and not seeing it appear?

[drifting hull]

Flipping the blacklist for the config gen I believe handles this, if not well.. oops, but nothing bad was happening?

[desert hamlet]

just a warning be careful

[drifting hull]

yeah, but it's not like I can't undo stuff when it blows up, I'm very experienced with running too many mods in a game and packing it till it blows up, repeatedly.

Ah it's grouped with weathers, Weather Registry is now a headache... cool

[desert hamlet]

DO NOT USE THE WEATHER CONFIG

IT BREAKS MODDED WEATHER

or at least code rebirth

and weather registry's new ones

[drifting hull]

Yeah I remember running into this before, and those two are in the same option to enabled. Ouch

Not sure why exactly, looking at it, maybe those should be split, but it's fine.

[desert hamlet]

wait is weather under moons config?

[drifting hull]

So under moons you enabled weather overrides, and tags to add to moons appear to be under that?

regening to confirm

[desert hamlet]

idk this why I changed my mind from using CC

[drifting hull]

This was the only thing I was using it for, while other options are cool, I hadn't needed or wanted to setup any of that complexity yet.

[drifting hull]

wait, no I think I was wrong

What is enabling the tabs config? because it's not weather?

I'm just going to trial and error this game for another 10 minutes I guess

Ok so it's under Misc, but only if you have other tag options in Central config for example: "Enabled Enemey Injection by Tag" enabled?

Wasn't like that before, and perhaps a slightly odd configuration option, but I can see some logic there, and I'm just going to ignore that and move on for now. Patch up what I came for.

What about the Misc options for moons being enabled is breaking Selene's Choice? Because I ran into this bug in the past and had reported it, but just in a whim said to hell with it, worst that happens is I know it won't work, and it looks like it's working fine now. Unlike before.
Well until it breaks and it seems to be working fine, I'm going to pretend that warning doesn't exist (unless someone tells me a good reason otherwise). If it breaks later, I'll know why!

[heady arch]

yeah, those two mods will not work together

[desert hamlet]

if you turn off CC's weather stuff it SHOULD work

and regen its config

[heady arch]

well, it's grouped with other moon stuff

so it's heavily constrained

[desert hamlet]

Im pretty sure weather can be disable by itself

still not using CC tho

[heady arch]

honestly i haven't kept track on what this mod does, unfortunately

[desert hamlet]

I just wanted a bug fixed LQ

[heady arch]

AFAIK it's just not compatible cause we try to do the same thing

but separately

and - in my opinion - it's better to have 3 separate mods that do their stuff really well that one big one

but that's just me

[desert hamlet]

Imma prob use CC for enemies, and LQ for interiors actually

keep them seperate

I think all in ones are fine but need a lot of polish

[heady arch]

i mean

i could argue that the stuff i'm trying to do in Registry is also a case of multiple mods being in one

[desert hamlet]

And thats great now give enemy, scrap and interior registry 😂

[heady arch]

oh lord no 😆

[crude sentinel]

yep using LQ to make all enemies killable and adjust their power level and hp and max spawn count

CC for enemy rarity weight, moon prices, min/max scrap and inside/outside/night power levels

[crude sentinel]

LQ for interior rarity or size or both?

I found out the LLL rarity works as intended and overrides the individual modded interior so long as LQ is not touching interiors

If LQ is involved then it adds the weight from the mod cfg and LQ if you do “simulate”

Again you can fix this by making the rarity 1 in the mod cfg

This all could have very well been the same in v49 too but I was newer and didn’t know as much of what I was looking at in the console so I didn’t notice

[hot slate]

Can you edit the entity spawn curve with this mod?

[crude sentinel]

No

[hot slate]

L

[crude sentinel]

It only handles rarity weight

[desert hamlet]

yeah ill set rarity to 1

same for size mult?

set it to 0.1?

[crude sentinel]

That im not sure, I just switched everything to LLL cfg for interiors so I hadn’t tested that

From what I’ve read before, the factory size multiplier in LQ works well as long as it’s not in the Global section

[desert hamlet]

I cant get LLL to spawn the consistantly, good thing I dont use the globals section

[crude sentinel]

How did you enter it in the confit?

Config

[desert hamlet]

for each moon, individually

[crude sentinel]

I have every single Moon:### comma separated in the Injection By Level Name section and changed anything tag related to Default Values Were Empty

And the By Mod Name sections as well

I have those filled with Default Values Were Empty

[desert hamlet]

you can set a size mult for an interior type PER MOON

thats what I did

seemed to work but may just use each mods OG configs for it now

[crude sentinel]

It’s so hard to find a good balance for the interior sizing when some of the moons have such big values for the multiplier

But I just thought of an idea for balancing that

[desert hamlet]

not perfect but tbh for moons with that I just dont use the interiors with a size problem

[crude sentinel]

must use every interior 🥵🥵

[desert hamlet]

I USE every interior, just the ones with size issue I use on moons with small global size multipliers

[crude sentinel]

I think im gonna have the global size multiplier start with whatever the smallest of all the moons is then have it increase by increments of 0.01 up to the most expensive moon

Actually 0.02

Then the range will be 1.26

Cuz I have 73 moons

[desert hamlet]

92 💀

[crude sentinel]

noiiiice

[crimson flicker]

it broke again :((((((

what did i do wrong

its only for secret labs too

maybe because the mod is not kept that well

[crimson flicker]

okay i think secret labs might just be incompatible with CC, i'll have to find an alternitive :(

[crude sentinel]

Hmm that’s interesting

[crimson flicker]

i loaded up my modpack with a fresh CC config and it broke, i turned on some of the modules

i didnt even touch anything

what moon did you have it break on?

[crude sentinel]

It hasn’t happened for me yet I was referring to other reports

Maybe Secret Labs is the common denominator, that is one of the most popular moons of all time

My moon list is conservative I don’t want to risk using anything not specifically updated for v56

And 73 total is enough imo esp for the difficulty scaling im tryna do

[crimson flicker]

holy shit i only have 13 moons

just the vanilla ones, orion, and formerly secret labs that i replaced with .. peters house

[crude sentinel]

Isn’t that also last updated for v49? 😂

[crimson flicker]

peter's updated yesterday and orion was a month ago but they both work

secret labs was FIVE months ago

[lilac sorrel]

What’s happening? I’ve been working 10 hour shifts every day

[lilac sorrel]

Logs?

Logs point towards almost exactly where the issue occurred, also clears up if it was a completely different mod

Also if lll ported then yeah I’d have to port too

Haven’t been able to check lc mods in a week

[crimson flicker]

i will definitely show them when i get home, thank you

[lilac sorrel]

np

I had no issues on my end when the update first came so maybe something changed on moons that ported?

[crimson flicker]

the moon i'm having trouble with is Secret Labs, hasn't updated in five months. whenever i turn on CC's modules it gives an infinite "random seed" screen. can still walk around an do stuff.

[crude sentinel]

Are you using Central Config for interior stuff?

[crimson flicker]

yes

i was thinking today a bout how i had to make the scp dungeon Tundra:0,Secret Labs:300 because i had the scp interior spawn on rend once even though i had the tundra tag removed from the injection config

and i also noticed in the console something say "tried to divide by zero!"

[crude sentinel]

hmm. Are you sure it’s not the interior having issues?

I don’t use Central Config for interior stuff

I use LLL cfg and Loadstone

[crimson flicker]

i very well may be

i hope it's that simple

i really don't want to get rid of secret labs but central config is crucial to my modpack

it's a godsend mod

[crimson flicker]

i might try that after handing over my log

[crude sentinel]

I use the interior but not the moon

[crimson flicker]

it does get stuck on random seed after all

oh

well my problem might be more difficult than simple then

[crude sentinel]

Try not doing anything with interiors or dungen with CC and land on secret labs

If it works then the moon is fine

[crude sentinel]

What did you do if you don’t mind me asking ?

[crimson flicker]

need 7 hours to pass so i can come home from work 🙏

[lilac sorrel]

Oh do you have the scp interior

[lilac sorrel]

Oh that’s impossible, dividing by 0 in c# results in an infinite

Unless an infinite is a bad

[crimson flicker]

i do have the scp interior

[lilac sorrel]

I’m a lifeguard at a water park

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah it’s black listed by my interior gen, you would need to keep its size clamps normal

[crimson flicker]

how do i do that?

[lilac sorrel]

Are you using my safeguards bool?

[crimson flicker]

yes

i was about to ask about that

does it have to be off?

[crude sentinel]

well my modpack is drowning just need the inverse of remove duplicates 🙏🥵🥵

[lilac sorrel]

Ok so if it does fail it should default to the facility, I confirm it works

[lilac sorrel]

No, it just makes it not load infinitely

[crude sentinel]

Are you off today?

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah finally

[crude sentinel]

big W

[crimson flicker]

i was also working a lot this week and was finally off yesterday

i'll try these things when i get home and give my log output

[crimson flicker]

profanity 😠

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah especially for dungeon gen I got a lot of logs

[crimson flicker]

where do i find the logs? are they just in the console or are they put in a folder?

[crude sentinel]

LogOutput.log

[crimson flicker]

i see

[crude sentinel]

hello

[distant galleon]

I've got the exact same issue, here's a log

[crude sentinel]

The config is breaking when modifying the Secret Labs moon? Or the SCP interior

[distant galleon]

I use neither of those mods, I just have wesleys moons + interiors and generic moons

[crude sentinel]

Interesting

I do not use CC for modifying of interiors at all so I’d guess that’s the common denominator here

But maybe @lilac sorrel can peep that log

[lilac sorrel]

You don’t have centralconfig?

No mention of it in the log but I’m in mobile so maybe I’ll look again when I’m on my puter

[distant galleon]

Yep I don't have it

[crude sentinel]

wtf 😂😂

What issue were you referring to?

[distant galleon]

Oh, I just had the same infinite loading at the random seed screen

[crimson flicker]

heres mine

its huge cause landing on custom moons breaks the drop ship

[crude sentinel]

Do you have CompanyCruiserFix

This is a universal bug

[crimson flicker]

no

i know about it though

maybe it's time i finally do get it

[crude sentinel]

It fixes that 🤣

It’s like a core essential bug fix mod rn

[crimson flicker]

bu-but but LLL should just uh fix it in an update cuz they broked it themselves :/

[chrome kettle]

LLL is not at fault for the error, the moon creator themselves has to add the new dropship

[crimson flicker]

ooh

[chrome kettle]

Not that I don't agree with you that LLL should just incorporate CruiserFix, but blaming LLL is just incorrect

[lilac sorrel]

the drop ship??

I don't touch any ships 😭

[lilac sorrel]

ok so

1. dungeon generated first try, its the facility
2. the moon is missing the drop ship spot on its scene

3. This however I've never seen before

Stack trace:
CentralConfig.ApplyMoonConfig.UpdateMoonValues () (at <81da1f3ebe4b4d78b6e4434c793ee8c3>:IL_0232)
CentralConfig.FrApplyMoon.Postfix () (at <81da1f3ebe4b4d78b6e4434c793ee8c3>:IL_0007)
(wrapper dynamic-method) HangarShipDoor.DMD<HangarShipDoor::Start>(HangarShipDoor)```

what settings are you using? that would narrow it

bc the error is something in these like 200 lines of that class

actually these may be the only division?
float Intmultiplier = WaitForMoonsToRegister.CreateMoonConfig.InteriorEnemyPowerCountOverride[PlanetName] / level.SelectableLevel.maxEnemyPowerCount;

are you using ScaleEnemySpawnRate by any chance?

I would imagine you also have a max power count at 0 hm?

[crude sentinel]

@crimson flicker

[crude sentinel]

Are you currently working on another update for central config?

[lilac sorrel]

yeah, and trying to fix stuff

[crude sentinel]

W

[crimson flicker]

(joke)

[crimson flicker]

i am

is that blowing it up? should i try it again without this?

i'd be totally fine turning that off if it means this works again

[lilac sorrel]

nah easy fix, just making sure its that

[crimson flicker]

i'll check

[crimson flicker]

i dont think i have any of them at zero

except maybe gordion

[lilac sorrel]

hm

[crimson flicker]

this is my cool config file :D

[crimson flicker]

holy crap that worked

[lilac sorrel]

I'm guessing it was gordion being 0?

[crimson flicker]

no it was turning off ScaleEnemySpawnRate

[lilac sorrel]

hmm

alright

[crimson flicker]

gordion looks like this

i kinda dont know why i unblacklisted it

i think to change the description

but im overjoyed to finally find out what was wrong

and now i dont have to use peter's house anymore!

[lilac sorrel]

why did you need peters house?

[crimson flicker]

it was a replacement for secret labs

[lilac sorrel]

did you have a spawn power of 0 on sl?

[crimson flicker]

nope

i kinda havent touched it yet, they're all default since i had to regenerate the config a bunch

[lilac sorrel]

if its not 0 then how were you dividing by 0?

[crimson flicker]

only zeros are these

[lilac sorrel]

I think thats fine

[crimson flicker]

i wonder why its dividing by zero

is there anything else i can do to help troubleshoot? im guessing if we find the issue it'll be part of the next update mentioned an hour ago

[lilac sorrel]

nah

I'll look again but I'm pretty sure thats the only division

[crimson flicker]

alright

thanks for helping me fix my crud!!!!!!!

i have to go to bed because it is 1:30 am.

[crude sentinel]

Nah stay up

[crimson flicker]

but ihave work tomorrow 🥲

[crude sentinel]

It’s all good!

[lilac sorrel]

np

[drifting hull]

Is it normal that if you enabled the config for all misc options on moons, then make it a moon whitelist to only edit some moons, time only passes on those moons now? Bit weird that.

[16:34:34.8968933] [Error  : Unity Log] Error updating time of day: System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'Solace' was not present in the dictionary.
  at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_001E 
  at CentralConfig.TimeFix.Prefix (TimeOfDay __instance) [0x00031] in <81da1f3ebe4b4d78b6e4434c793ee8c3>:IL_0031 
  at (wrapper dynamic-method) TimeOfDay.DMD<TimeOfDay::MoveGlobalTime>(TimeOfDay)
  at TimeOfDay.MoveTimeOfDay () [0x00000] in <0b5b829887344817a21214132ea92eef>:IL_0000 

Not too worried about it, but it seems like it's trying to access config data because settings are enabled, but since it's not in the list of what was generated it throws error. Could be a mod conflict breaking a safety or something for this. I'm not bug hunting it right now really.

[crude sentinel]

hmmmmmm

[lilac sorrel]

I see, must be missing a dictionary key check

fixed

[crude sentinel]

inverse of the remove duplicate enemies ?

[lilac sorrel]

working on it for this patch, easy to add

[crude sentinel]

yayyyy

[lilac sorrel]

fixed the divide by zero too, just doesn't set that if its 0

[crimson flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/did-we-just-win-did-we-just-lose-starlord-endgame-chris-pratt-gif-24585744

just in time, in a few hours im introducing my friends to my new modpack in which this mod is the gemstone of the crown

[lilac sorrel]

should I push the 2 bug fixes now? I got a list of little features to add/tweak but may do that tomorrow

[crude sentinel]

all good im waiting on LQ update too he said next week hopefully

Before I do all this nitty gritty

[elfin nexus]

it seems like if u

turn on Enable Dungeon Selection Overrides
fill out the** Add Dungeon by Planet Name**
and add a new moon at a later time, the default interior wont be added to that moon
only way to fix is regen CC config or manually add said interior

i was testing some moon and notice they dont have any interior on them when i checked with LLL simulate

it only add to default value
not the actual input

[crimson flicker]

speaking of interiors it seem s that the injection is working incorrectly, i have it set to specific moons but it seems the config also keeps its default values even though i have them cleared and put "default values empty". this is pertaining to the injection by tag line right under add dungeon by planet name

the liminal pools interior is injected to vanilla:100 as well as whatever i put in add by moon even though i have it cleared, this is an example of what i mean

as well as the scp dungeon, it normally has tundra:200, i deleted the text in the box and it still spawns on rend

[crude sentinel]

Right like the tags still get used?

I suppose you could just put Vanilla:1 or something like that

[lilac sorrel]

You gotta clear it from being added by other mods

LLL didn’t update right?

[crude sentinel]

Liminal pools doesn’t have its own cfg

@crimson flicker

[crimson flicker]

that's what i did

[crude sentinel]

Did it work?

[crimson flicker]

i actually did vanilla:0 tundra:0 before and maybe it worked i couldn't tell

when i played last night i decided to not do that to see if it was really not working

[lilac sorrel]

wait so tell me exactly what the issue is again please?

I'm not following

[crude sentinel]

The interior injection by tags shown in LLL are not overridden by replacing the tags with “Default Values Were Empty”

[crimson flicker]

when trying to set interior spawns the "by type" line right under the "by moon" line keeps its default values despite them being deleted or replaced with "default values were empty"

ye

[crude sentinel]

Not really a CC thing tho

[crimson flicker]

it isn't?

[lilac sorrel]

Is the interior mod itself setting it somewhere?

[crimson flicker]

when i used to use LLL for injection this didn't happen

[lilac sorrel]

?

[crimson flicker]

the mods don't have a config for injection

especially the pools, it doesn't even have a config

[lilac sorrel]

then maybe the dev adds something in themself after mine

[crimson flicker]

ooh

probably doing vanilla:0 and tundra:0 might help

[lilac sorrel]

Is it only liminal pools?

[crimson flicker]

and scp dungeon

anything that had default values for tags

[lilac sorrel]

I see, so both add them by tag yeah?

[crimson flicker]

like piggy's office, its tags were none:40 for some reason

that's true

but also moon at the same time

[lilac sorrel]

hm, I have pretty limited control over it as 99% of the dungeon pool handling is done with LLL

Like I set the levelmatchingproperties

but I don't change how LLL handles its values

[crimson flicker]

alright i see

that's okay

i'll just start using LLL for interior injection again

[lilac sorrel]

but that won't work either no? Does the same exact thing but earlier which means it will be overridden by more mods

[crimson flicker]

i'm not sure it's being overwritten, it's just that in CC whenever the tags list is blank or doesn't explicitly override the default values (turning vanilla:100 to vanilla:0) it just uses the defaults anyway

when i used to use LLL for interior injection it always forced whatever was stated in the config no matter what

it's okay because everything else in CC works magically, changing day lengths, injecting scrap, scrap multiplier, putting dogs inside. all of which were not possible with LLL

[lilac sorrel]

ah, thats why I always clear the defaults

but it appears that the scp dungeon and liminal pools doesn't let you remove their tag injections

[crimson flicker]

no only forcefully override them

i'll see about it

[chrome kettle]

Which interior has the default tag injection of vanilla:100 ? Because I've not had this issue with CC

I see it's Liminal, I'll check a vanilla moon in my pack and see if it has it as a weight of 100

Yup, can confirm, liminal is being added where it shouldn't

After a little more checking, it seems that EVERY interior that has default tag injection isn't being overriden by leaving the box blank

I can also confirm that setting all the tags to a weight of 0 does fix it. @lilac sorrel I think the issue is with CC, leaving the box for tag injection blank should override it correct?

[chrome kettle]

My guess at what is happening is whenever the box is left blank, it's pulling the defaults from LLL. I think you'll need to set the tag injection weights to 0 if the box is left blank

Like a check if (InjectionTags.Count == 0)

then set the weight to 0 for every single tag?

or at the very least, set all the tags in the default string to a weight of 0

[lilac sorrel]

well no

the dev of the mod would have to not add it by tag in an unaccesible spot, unless maybe I can clear the properties from LLL?

[chrome kettle]

wdu mean no? setting the weight to 0 for the default tags fixes it

Like with liminal setting it to vanilla:0 fixes the issue

Oh that it's not CC that has the issue? I don't see what else would be causing it. I think you just need a check if the InjectionTags List is empty

[lilac sorrel]

alright

oh my god there is a ghost in the code

legit trying to just make a method not get called yet it something calls itself like ??????

like rn for testing UpdateTagData() is called absolutely NOWHERE

and yet it STILL runs

???

[chrome kettle]

👻

[lilac sorrel]

ok I was generating a thing already elsewhere oops got it now

[crimson flicker]

i think it was liminal pools

[chrome kettle]

If you read my next message...😅

[crimson flicker]

saw

thank you for looking into it!

[chrome kettle]

Well thank you for finding it, my pack was all messed up and I didn't notice😅😂 I was only checking wildcard moons and modded moons when I tested the weights in my pack🤦

All the modded moons I checked didn't have the tags that were being affected

[crimson flicker]

it's kinda weird liminal has injection for all moons, like it doesn't make sense a pool would be on a rocky dessert like offense or assurance

well actually it's good that the base mod has an injection for all vanilla moons cause casual modders probably have no idea to do their own weights for moons

[chrome kettle]

You have no idea💀

[crimson flicker]

i heard the interior is getting updated soon, it would be nice to see its default values change to march and adamance as moons since those two seem to be very wet-like

[chrome kettle]

I never use defaults in my modpack so I don't really care that tbh😅

But I am excited for the update, liminal is great imo

[crimson flicker]

i only ever saw it once yesterday (by accident) and it was really good

[lilac sorrel]

I'm going insane again wa

ok so I fixed the divide by zero and missing dictionary key for the time fix, I feel like there was another teeny bug I can fix in one line but I can't rember

[crimson flicker]

other than the tag injection "bug" i don't remember anything else being broken

[crude sentinel]

How’s it hanging

[lilac sorrel]

Rembered 💡

But can’t finish all the stuff I have planned yet bc work early in the morning

[lilac sorrel]

Fixed it btw

that was the rembered

just cleared any other input that was already saved for injecting the dungeon before so it ONLY uses the selection overrides from CC

so unless something updates its pretty far into gameplay, you shouldn't have to sometimes set stuff in LLL or individual configs and LP and SCP having unchangable injections can now be wrote over

[elfin nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-cat-dance-lethal-company-lethal-company-cat-gif-12171452958691253920

[proper canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-cat-dance-lethal-company-lethal-company-cat-gif-12171452958691253920

[crude sentinel]

I like it a lot more than the other poolrooms

But the other one is cool too

[crimson flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-yes-star-lord-chris-pratt-dance-gif-14173852

[crimson flicker]

SAME

[tawdry heath]

Would setting the time speed multiplier to 1 change anything? I use LcCountdownTimer and when I land it tells me I have around 16 minutes, and when I turn off the misc moon setting it tells me I have around 11

I guess it is accurate though, since 16 minutes would make every hour one minute, but its not the vanilla time scale

Also is it this mod that fixes the 2-day skip?

[crude sentinel]

I would just leave that all at default or you’ll have skipped days

[tawdry heath]

I thought this mod let you change the speed without losing days

[lilac sorrel]

Yes, it’s all patched

[lilac sorrel]

I fixed that

[tawdry heath]

Yeah I thought so, but what about the setting the speed multiplier to 1 thing? Is that normal?

[lilac sorrel]

Idk where they get 11 from, days in LC are 16 mins at normal speed

[tawdry heath]

Weird

[crude sentinel]

I misunderstood I thought you were changing the speed with lccountdown

[lilac sorrel]

Nah

[tawdry heath]

Wiki be crazy

[lilac sorrel]

The game is 8am-12pm every 4s it ticks 4 mins ahead

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah that’s just wrong

I stopwatched it myself

[tawdry heath]

I'm being gaslit by fandom

[lilac sorrel]

And counted up delta.time every frame and yeah it was 980 (20 seconds spent landing)

[prime garden]

im pretty sure the game is 11 to 12 minutes

not 16

[lilac sorrel]

Count it then

[prime garden]

meh

[lilac sorrel]

I had code log the passage of time and from the time the ship finishes landing there are 960 seconds until it auto leaves

[tawdry heath]

I'll just go with 16, since I'm using your mod anyway and thats the result I get while using it

[crude sentinel]

You guys

[prime garden]

your code musta counted it wrong lol

yeah, it's like i thought, 12 minutes

if your mod modifies that as a thing to begin with, you need to change that back

[crimson flicker]

are we discovering that CC makes the days longer by default?

call me crazy but i do actually feel like the days are a little bit longer

i was stuck in the back rooms before the ship left at 12 and the time between the warning message and the departure of the ship felt long

[prime garden]

Yeah it looks like in CC the days are longer by 1/3

[lilac sorrel]

Default is 1.25x maybe?

[crude sentinel]

1.33

Based on the numbers im seeing y’all put into chat

[lilac sorrel]

ig it would be on the moon in unity

[crude sentinel]

hey just to confirm

i could input Flowerman:99999

and centralconfig would accept this value?

[lilac sorrel]

yes

[crude sentinel]

bet

i realized its smarter to stick with the option to remove duplicates that are lower than the highest

and just scale everything up

that way if a mod has a hardcoded rarity thats like 60

and i want it to be 0 or 1

to remove the enemy, i can just make the most common enemies 99999 with CC and least common like 200 and use the remove duplicates function

and it will be virtually impossible for the enemy to be selected

it would be like winning the lottery

[hallow jungle]

i can confirm central config makes days longer. while testing something on Etern, i noticed the 7:30 pm event happened at 5 pm, while i was testing something on the moon with central config. i had none of the clock-related settings on.

[lilac sorrel]

Hm interesting

[lilac sorrel]

I’m going to add a toggle that makes it keep the lowest instead so 0 can be used to remove an enemy from certain interiors, tags, or weathers

[crude sentinel]

Yerrrrr

[chrome kettle]

Can you make it so 0 is just an override to prevent things from spawning. I like having butlers, for example, have a low weight with the mansion interior so that it always has a low chance to spawn. But I still want certain moons to have a high chance for them to spawn with the interior. I don't see anyone ever adding an enemy via injection settings with a weight of zero unless they are trying to prevent something from spawning

If that setting would only work with that toggle, it kinda ruins having a minimum weight for certain monsters on certain interiors

[crude sentinel]

That would be dope

Rn im using LQ to set the max spawns to 0 and the power level to 99

For enemies I want to remove from the inside or outside completely

And using the Remove Duplicates feature of CC with everything scaled up to 5 digit rarity weights

It’s working like a charm

I wanted to check though, CentralConfig shouldn’t touch the spawn curves and whether an enemy uses a spawn curve right?

[chrome kettle]

I think it just leaves those at the default from the moon creator

[crude sentinel]

Okay sweet

[prime garden]

Spawn curves are also dependent on the thing too, enemies and hazards and map objects have their own curved

Not items though, I guess he didn't wanna keep adding curves to everything and complicating it

Actually what would u even need a curve for an item

Lol stupid thought

[chrome kettle]

Curve for scrap distribution throughout the interior, maybe? Like how much more scrap there is the deeper you go

[prime garden]

That would actually be pretty interesting

And there's ways to determine how far the interior path is from entrance to exit, it'd probably take a couple scripts too

Problem is fire exits

If this game was purely entrance based, it'd be good

But now u have a thing that would maybe lead u to the end which wouldn't make the curve very useful

[chrome kettle]

Eh if you only consider vanilla, there's only one per moon(besides march) so it's not that big a deal, it can also be right next to main

Just an interesting idea, I don't know what else you'd want an item curve for XD

[crude sentinel]

You’re cookin

[crude sentinel]

Curvy items?

[hallow jungle]

idea, being able to set a weight to be override via something like Enemy:10:Override,
could be used for interiors or enemies, so even if an enemy like the locker has a default spawn weight of 50 on a valley moon it could have the tag injection set to Locker:5:Override

also just a setting to disable messing with things you don't have the settings on for please please

[crude sentinel]

When has this happened for you?

[hallow jungle]

breaking dungeon generation, making time longer, etc

[crude sentinel]

I haven’t Had it touch anything regarding interiors

I’m not using it for interiors whatsoever though

LLL cfg for rarity, LQ to make the rarity actually true, and Loadstone for dungen

But yea the time thing is a big of a pain

[lilac sorrel]

Do you suggest 0 being an override to remove it should be constant?

[lilac sorrel]

What does this mean?

[crude sentinel]

yea

[lilac sorrel]

hm, the current code is very simple so I'll have to figure out some special handling than just reading it in an order

[chrome kettle]

If it's used in some sort of injection setting, I seen no reason it shouldn't be an override to remove it

[lilac sorrel]

well right now the method itself just orders the list and keeps the first entry it comes across of a specific enemy so yeah I would need to complicate it more

[chrome kettle]

Even if you wanted to structure your pack where all spawns were based on the interior, setting something to 0 would just mean you don't want it to spawn

I just don't want it where that 0 override is tied to the "take the lower weight" setting

[crude sentinel]

hmm

im actually scared for you to change it too much cuz the combination of LQ and CC im doing rn works flawlessly

it started as a workaround for the spawning rarity but it also allows me to control HP and killable with LQ

i just set the Max to 0 and power level to 99 for any enemy i want to disable

[lilac sorrel]

yeah definitely won't change it in a way that breaks its current usage

[crude sentinel]

hey uh another trivial question

enemy names shouldnt be case-sensitive right

[elfin nexus]

i dont think so

at least for mods that i use like everythingcandie and randomenemysize

[lilac sorrel]

I think it is

not contains the stripped version, I'm pretty sure i made it exact string

[hallow jungle]

if you don't have any settings on relating to tags, it shouldn't mess with tags. if you don't have any settings on relating to interior generation, it shouldn't mess with interior generation. if you don't have any settings on relating to weather, it shouldn't mess with weather. if you don't have any settings on relating to time, it shouldn't mess with time

[crude sentinel]

Frick

[crude sentinel]

Afaik time is the only one?

What issues are you having with the others

I’ve been testing it heavily past week or so everything checks out in relation to how I have the config setup except time

[lilac sorrel]

Have you used the mod?

The time fix is the only one that runs code regardless of a bool

Both interior gen methods immediately return of unused, you would need the weather settings to be true in order to set day one weathers, tags are just “visual” but you also can’t see them in game really, you can use settings to add stuff to tagged moon if u want

[hallow jungle]

and it shouldn't

[lilac sorrel]

Why? LLL and lgu don’t fix it on their ends afaik

It’s a bug fix, not a feature

[crude sentinel]

i think theyre referring to your 1x being 16 minutes rather than the 12 vanilla minutes

also, check your email @lilac sorrel

[lilac sorrel]

Oh that’s not the time fix

That’s setting the speed multiplier to 1x

I asked tolian and he uses 1x as well

But also if they are talking about then then no that’s only if you have misc settings enabled

[crude sentinel]

but the question is, are the days 16 minutes on tolian moons without CC

i will test rn

[lilac sorrel]

May be that globaltimespeed multiplier is more than 1?

[crude sentinel]

we shall see

[crude sentinel]

did you check your email btw?

[crude sentinel]

indeed the days on Tolian moon's are 12 minutes

@lilac sorrel

[lilac sorrel]

Ok so I may need to make the default faster

Just trying to figure out where that multiplier is changed in the code I feel it’s only read

[proper canopy]

Doesnt speed go by 1.4x according to Imperium so 1/1.4? Or is that for imperium only

[lilac sorrel]

Oh maybe

[lilac sorrel]

Not yet, about to shower off my shift

[tawdry heath]

I thought that was just Imperium

[lilac sorrel]

Well it would want to mimic vanilla time flow yeah?

[lilac sorrel]

Just saw

https://tenor.com/view/big-mcthankies-from-mcspankies-mcthankies-thankies-mcspankies-jimmy-neutron-gif-20611629

[crude sentinel]

Oil

[hallow jungle]

speed is at 1.4 by default so imperium is correct

[crude sentinel]

The math do be mathing

[lilac sorrel]

ah, is that in ilspy?

it is now 1.4f as the default value

[hallow jungle]

when will you update the mod with the fix?

[proper canopy]

after gta 8

[lilac sorrel]

I got stuff other stuff I'm still coding, won't take long but need to find some free time

hopefully tomorrow?

[lilac sorrel]

[crimson flicker]

hm something isn't right

[lilac sorrel]

wym

[crimson flicker]

the centipede has a probability of zero

[lilac sorrel]

yes

you see it?

[crimson flicker]

but it's 58 in the config?

i mean 51

but the puffer being zero is correct

[lilac sorrel]

AND 0

[crimson flicker]

oh wait i see now

so this is the new favor lower value feature

now i understand

[lilac sorrel]

not just

also a seperate setting that makes 0 rarity be an override to remove that enemy from the spawn pool

[crimson flicker]

very good 👏

also goated for making this a part of the console

[lilac sorrel]

the console? thats vanilla

[crude sentinel]

Das fye

[chrome kettle]

I assume the injection settings take precedence? Like if a moon has an enemy with a weight of zero and then you have an interior or a weather add that enemy, it'll still be added

[crude sentinel]

this mod is goon 🔥

[crude sentinel]

Like by tag?

[chrome kettle]

Or that too

Since those are based on conditions I assume those take effect after the moon's base spawns

[lilac sorrel]

the order is:
weather -> tag -> dungeon -> remove duplicates

the replacements runs before the new addition

[chrome kettle]

Nice😁

I assume the base moon's spawns are before all that?

[lilac sorrel]

yeah, its starts with that and then modifies it temporarily

[chrome kettle]

Awesome, nice work on the ordering🔥

[lilac sorrel]

:)

[crimson flicker]

oooh

[lilac sorrel]

Update {0.9.5}

• Added the much requested Big Lists, with them you can set all enemy spawn lists from just three strings.

• If you are adding stuff by tag, now under each tag in the config is an entry showing which moons currently possess that tag. Changing this setting does not affect the game, it is just to give you an idea of how used the tag is and where.

• Updated the default tag list to instead be a whitelist of 20 of the most common tags, as most moon tags are unique to one or two moons and take up unnecessary space in the file.

• Tag names are now normalized to be all lowercase letters without special characters or spaces to prevent issues caused by typos on moons.

• Added an option to keep the lowest rarity of an enemy in a spawn pool instead of the highest rarity when removing duplicates.

• Added an option to ignore other rarities for an enemy if one entry has a rarity of 0, this allows uses EnemyName:0 under dungeon/weather/tag injections to make them unable to spawn under those conditions (e.g., Flowerman:0 in Haunted Mansion (2) - Add Interior Enemies prevents brackens from spawning inside when the current dungeon is the haunted mansion).

• Added a WIP(?) function to hide the ship/entrance/fire exit scan nodes while inside, leaving the logs in for now.

• Dungeon matching properties are now cleared before applying settings from selection overrides. This ensures that only the dungeon selection settings from CC are used (e.g., No uncontrollable hard coded injection by tag).

• The default values for various string-based config entries are now alphabetical. This includes moon, enemy, scrap, and tag lists.

• Moved the settings Free Them? and Scale Enemy Spawn Rate? to _Enemies_

• The default time speed has been adjusted to 1.4x to match the vanilla game.

• Fixed a divide by zero error occurring on moons with a max enemy power count of 0 when the scale enemy spawn rate is enabled.

• Resolved a missing dictionary key issue for blacklisted moons caused by time settings.

• Black Mesa has been blacklisted from the generation settings (Looking for help from interior devs to understand why some have this issue while most do not).

• Updated to the most recent LL and LLL (no changes were needed on my end). :3

If anything is confusing/you don't understand how to use a setting, you can always ask here

[crude sentinel]

Oh god this is gonna clap my current config surely

[lilac sorrel]

how so?

of the top of my head the only thing would be the two enemy bools being moved since you have to set them to true again but that doesn't erase anything

but yeah other than those being moved, no setting will get reset, just some default values will be changed to be more readable

[crude sentinel]

Just a feeling 😂

[proper canopy]

Time Speed fix :D

Cooked hard good job

[upper granite]

I asked it before but I just took a look at how trap overrides work in the code and I noticed that it just makes it a flat spawn curve

I was wondering if we could get adjustable spawn curves for traps at some point?

[fast charm]

have entities stopped spawning entirely for anyone else since 0.9.5

im only getting traps to spawn and imperium oracle is showing nothing inside and out on every moon, even ones where i havent touched the values

[hallow jungle]

do you have shockwave drone?

[fast charm]

no

[hallow jungle]

what's your full mod list?

[prime garden]

shockwave drone doesnt cause enemies to stop spawning

[fast charm]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/dopadream/Dreamscape/

have fun

same list as this but everything updated

was working fine before 0.9.5

disabling this resolves the issue however it works fine on its own so i think its a new conflict

with something that changed

[lilac sorrel]

Does anyone else have this issue?

[lilac sorrel]

How

The way I set it now theoretically inherits the shape of the curve, if not then hh

[crude sentinel]

Is there something wrong with shockwave drone?

[lilac sorrel]

At work still but if anyone else has issues lmk

No one has confirmed that it’s not CC causing spawn issues yet

[gloomy wedge]

Yes
I have been scratching my head as to the source of the issue and once I uninstalled CC entities started spawning again

Which is very annoying, I've spent the last two days configuring everything on a huge modpack only to have the thing break this morning 😭

Shockwave Drone also worked yesterday, so that's not the cause of the problem, I think

I'll see if downgrading to 0.9.1 helps my case

[chrome kettle]

Are you also using imperium? Imperium sometimes bugs out and nothing spawns, that has happened to me multiple times without Central Config installed

[tawdry heath]

Happens to me to with Imperium

[gloomy wedge]

Negative.

Afaik Imperium is generally recommended only on mostly unmodified versions of the game

[gloomy wedge]

Alright great news, 0.9.1 appears to be functioning perfectly and retains the configs I made prior
Hilariously, the first enemy spawned practically as soon as I entered a facility and it was the Shockwave Drone

[crude sentinel]

@lilac sorrel

[gloomy wedge]

Here is my modlist if it is necessary: 0190eac8-7d54-13bc-9235-a9ff27684ba0

[fast charm]

okay but I dont have shockwave drone, any other culprits?

[fast charm]

I only installed imperium because enemies would not spawn

it was not working prior i can promise you

[chrome kettle]

Yeah I see other people are having the issue without imperium. Imperium does have a bug like that tho, keep that mind when testing stuff in the future

[fast charm]

yeah noted

i wonder what it is

bc cc works on its own

its not getting along with something i have (that previously worked fine)

[prime garden]

Do you have buyable shotgun shells

@fast charm

[fast charm]

Yeah

[prime garden]

There u go

Get rid of it

[fast charm]

It works fine on its own though, i think im just going to use 0.9.1 until this is fixed

[prime garden]

Buyable shotgun shells new update breaks most mods including all custom moon mods

Suit yourself though

[fast charm]

I tried replaced it with this one and it was still breaking

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SalakStudios/BetterShotgunShells/

and this one hasnt been updated in 6 months

again worked fine without cc

[crude sentinel]

It’s been confirmed multiple times . I just pinged MegaPiggy this morning and they said they just pushed an update … but haven’t been asking for logs or anything so im skeptical all the compatibility issues coulda been found without more collaborative effort haha

[prime garden]

Try buyableshotgunshellsplus

[crude sentinel]

BuyableShotgunsPlus

It has both

[fast charm]

ok

[crude sentinel]

Works perfect

[fast charm]

ty, will try soon

[prime garden]

They updated this morning?

[crude sentinel]

Yes

Haven’t been able to test it

[prime garden]

Neither have I tbf

Mightve been fixed and is something else ig, dunno

[crude sentinel]

But it was like a top 5 culprit of breaking modpacks easily since v56

[fast charm]

I'm thinking since multiple shotgun shell store mods broke that it's actually something to do with LLL updating but I could be wrong

[prime garden]

Why would it be LLL

The mod u linked is 6 months old

The one u were using before broke all modded stuff with LLL days prior

[crude sentinel]

BuyableShotgunsPlus still works fine can confirm

[prime garden]

You're kinda asking for super old mods to work just fine across versions

[fast charm]

LLL updated recently to compile for v56. It changes terminal stuff. The other mods broke randomly around the same time

It's just a guess

[fast charm]

It still works though

It stopped working when something else updated

[crude sentinel]

The issue with all the other mods is they try to use items with the same name as the vanilla item. I’m assuming this one works so well because they are called Shotgun+ and Shell+

[prime garden]

Some do, most won't

[fast charm]

Use it on an empty profile or even with a profile using CC 1.9.1 and LLL 1.2.0, i promise you it will work

[crude sentinel]

in terms of code they are completely different items just functionally the same

[prime garden]

Don't use LLL 1.2.0

[fast charm]

I'm literally telling you to check what

[prime garden]

You're asking to check a version that's months old

Where a lot has changed since then

[fast charm]

Yes because my point is the update created the incompatibly??

are you not understanding what im saying

[crude sentinel]

Either way probably won’t hold out hope for an LLL update to accommodate mods that it broke so may as well swap to the working alternative 😺

😼

[prime garden]

You can't assume that by saying that a version of the mod months ago allowed it to co exist

And if there is an incompatibility, its highly unlikely it'd be LLL's fault

I'd rather blame the mod that hasn't been updated in 6 months+

[fast charm]

I'm not saying it is I'm just saying it probably broke because they're both compiled for different versions of the game

[crude sentinel]

Well anyway about CentralConfig it seems safe to say that CentralConfig is the one that is borking enemy spawns rn?

[fast charm]

Either LLL or CC, idk what the incompat is

[prime garden]

Yeah which is why you aren't supposed to play with mods that are months old 😭

[crude sentinel]

always gonna be trial and error and if the old mod doesn’t work it’s the oldest mods fault

for not updating

BuyableShotguns has been had compatibility issues since v49 though

[fast charm]

I've never used that one

I assume its the same

as the shell equivalent

[crude sentinel]

Same dev ye

But im curious to see if the new update fixes things

The dev knows like 5 coding languages so is clearly prolly a lot smarter than me but idrk how you could fix something without seeing mod lists or logs

[fast charm]

You said this has both right
are you able to take the shotgun itself out of the store? apologies a bit off topic

[crude sentinel]

Not 100% sure but you could set the price to 99999 if not lol

[prime garden]

It claims u can

[fast charm]

Now that I think about it isn't there a mod out there that lets you control exactly what is in the shop

like just by item names

[prime garden]

For a very good reason

Lol

Terminal code is cooked

[fast charm]

I've heard

Scary

[crude sentinel]

StoreRotationConfig maybe

[fast charm]

I might just get something like that to be safer

if it's updated consistently

[crude sentinel]

Still off topic but this goes along with what I was saying about BuyableShotgunsPlus working better because it has completely separate items by code that are functionally the same

BuyableShotguns is buying an actual shotgun that a nutcracker would drop

[fast charm]

Oh I see, would this even work with plugins that modify shotgun behavior though?

like ammo check and that one better shotgun mod that adds pellets

[crude sentinel]

It does indeed

[fast charm]

neat

[kindred gorge]

newest update reset all of my changes are youi fucking kidding me?

that actually pisses me off so much

okj well i rolled back to the previous version and my configs are back thankfully

[crude sentinel]

Always assume this will happen with LQ, CC, and LLL

[kindred gorge]

noted

also itr brought them back when i re-updated

[lilac sorrel]

What? What reset? Nothing should have reset

I’m still at work but I gotta wait an hour for the in service training

[lilac sorrel]

Only thought of it now but LLL updated, haven’t tested anything in game, only checked for errors

[fast charm]

this is actually the real reason i put a wiki on my modpack lol

so i can easily see notes of the changes i made in case This happens

that and im very forgetful

if you have one on thunderstore i recommend doing the same its really helpful

[fast charm]

this wasnt it btw

i got rid of it and nothing is spawning, still

I suppose I'll just downgrade CC for now

[summer moon]

No all those mods are at fault

they are free to hit me up if they want advice on improving how they do stuff

[fast charm]

lmfao

regardless uh, im not getting any enemy spawns without any of these mods so I still think its a new incompatibility with something else i have + either LLL or CC

[summer moon]

if it happens without CC hit me up

[fast charm]

oh thats right, i checked earlier i forgot

it does not

so you're good

it only happens with CC

something is definitely wrong

logs dont show jack shit either

[kindred gorge]

idk how to do that

[kindred gorge]

also, i dont have this issue in my pack so if you want to check mine and see anything in your pack that could be causing issues, go ahead

[fast charm]

can i get a link

[kindred gorge]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/HyetalL/Scavengers/

[fast charm]

could help me deduce it better

thanks

cuz ive been struggling trying to figure out what it is for like 10 minutes

[kindred gorge]

also, what kidnapper fox settings do you use to make it balanced and atually fun?

want to readd it to my pack but i dont know how to fix the shroud spawning stuff in a way that's balanced and playable and i saw that you have sobership and other kidnapper fox settings mods

[fast charm]

this is all i did, i did not change it much

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/dopadream/Dreamscape/wiki/2185-kidnapper-fox/

i dont find the fox to make the game unplayable by any means

and this is coming from someone who primarily plays solo

you can usually just treat it like a bracken and be okay

[kindred gorge]

i think ima heavily nerf the shroud spawns

[fast charm]

but i did think its stupid that you cant kill it with one shotgun blast

[kindred gorge]

also, if you didn't know, the stable build of loadstone is causing issues right now so make sure you dont have that

[fast charm]

ive always used the nightly version

[kindred gorge]

ahh ok, main branch causes literally everything to desync somehow

interior layout, moon on screen, the amount of days left in qwuota

at least, im fairly certain all those were caused by loadstone

[fast charm]

but generally yes i would add sobership if you havent already, seems to work well

though i guess i should check if thats somehow causing the issue

guess ill do that now

[kindred gorge]

right now i just hove nofox till i copuld find a way to make them less annoying (especially since me and my friends are awful at the game

and i like having complete control over spawns and stuff

[fast charm]

ahh fair

[kindred gorge]

so i tend to fiddle with interior spawns, enemy spawns, and scrap spawns based on the moon

[crude sentinel]

General question about CC

If I didn’t touch the scrap spawning rarity for a moon

And it gets updated on the moon mod

Will it update automatically in CC,

?

[fast charm]

I'm pretty sure you have to delete the entry for that moon and let it regenerate

I've had issues before where I add a mod that changes what spawns on certain moons and it doesn't work until I do that

[crude sentinel]

Kk

Thanks

[crude sentinel]

Should I just clear the entry in r2modman or delete that section of the cfg completely with notepad?

[fast charm]

Just clear the entry of that moon in particular

it'll regenerate

ugh this is so frustrating

ive disabled like 20 mods and still cant figure out what it is

[crude sentinel]

What’s the issue ?

[fast charm]

Enemies arent spawning with CC enabled

conflict with another mod that i have

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/dopadream/Dreamscape/

Something in this list

cant figure out what it is

worked fine until 0.9.5 came out

i was told that it was buyable shells but it just isnt

so

[summer moon]

do you have errors

[fast charm]

no

[crude sentinel]

Probably not the issue but EnemyFix is no longer needed afaik

Also XP Divide by Zero

[fast charm]

Oh thanks, wasn't sure if those had been patched out or not

but yeah those arent causing it

i had checked already

[fast charm]

hey

do you have this unchecked perchance

?

here

[kindred gorge]

lemme check

[kindred gorge]

i have it enabled

[fast charm]

ok cool

ty