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#⛰️Solar's Mods⛰️
finite crane
ive already slotted several easter eggs into here lmao
Gonna be fun watching people track them down (biodiversity crew knows of one already 
)
nimble vector
So ashtray and be- "soda" cans? Ye or neigh to either?
finite crane
soup and cigarettes are such a weird combo lmao
nimble vector
I literally would bring canned soup and soda to work as my lunch. I don't drink or smoke but I imagine it's not uncommon especially if it had to be shipped through space.
Plus people in the 60s would and drink a little during work like all the time.
Yes ik it's probably more like in 2200 or 2500 but fallout rules aight?
finite crane
Hot take, I think just having it be soup is really funny
nimble vector
Aww....maybe just put a few cans on da floor? Under the desk? If it just doesn't look good I'll concede.
finite crane
Oh yeah good idea
nimble vector
........OH! if we put an ashtray in the office it would give an excuse to have packs lying around as trash deco and we could have intact unopened packs as 0 weight low value scrap.
Totally unnecessary though.
finite crane
Ive been trying to keep things as "zeekers" as possible while doing this stuff. Scrapped a handful of good ideas just because they felt too detailed for what zeekers would make.
Still I feel like theres too much detail sometimes. Maybe its because my brain just REFUSES to make models with as shitty topology as zeekers' stuff
nimble vector
Having standards or ambition is never a bad thing.
finite crane
This phone for instance (yes its missing buttons I know)
The cord is way overkill for what its worth and probably isnt what zeekers would make, but having it be a straight cord would just summon OCD into the room
nimble vector
Besides if it's a bit much we can always optimize or scale back. If the new inclusion is still too much then maybe some pruning would be in order .
nimble vector
This phone for instance (yes its missing buttons I know)
The cord is way overki...
You could make a lower poly untextured model of this with the cord removed and then back the higher texture version on which will give good detail and save performance. The cord though could probably just be a 2d texture with some height painting or something.
finite crane
billboard texture....
fuck...
nimble vector
billboard texture....
fuck...
Hey remember the 2 messages above
It's a big interior anyway, plus that's not too unmanageable.
finite crane
oh yeah, I guess I gotta make some LOD versions later too
nimble vector
👍
tardy rivet
Gonna be fun watching people track them down (biodiversity crew knows of one alr...
i’m apart of biod let me see
and the founder
but let’s be honest you’ve been doing sm more than me
finite crane
well, you see, you werent there
tardy rivet
aw man
nimble vector
but let’s be honest you’ve been doing sm more than me
Hey you're still doing more me. I'm just here to cheer things until it hits the finish line. 
plucky sigil
hey yall are still doing more than me
i just lurk from time to time to praise Jacuj work
nimble vector
i just lurk from time to time to praise Jacuj work
Then cheer with me! To Valhalla!!
nimble vector
Dude I just found something wicked
Most of this doesn't matter but there's this one section in lower Wacker that looks like a garage Bay which made me think, what if there was an in between prefab that connects the maintenance hallways to the storage area? It can even be coded so that the fire exit commonly spawns there so it's like a loading Bay for supplies to be brought into to the mall.
Gawage baay
tardy rivet
I think we’ve actually had that idea already
nimble vector
Yeah but I'm specifically taking about like 1 or 2 tiles that could be the in between for all 3 like if it's about to generate storage or parking lot near maintenance: spawn in in-between transition tile.
tardy rivet
I think I could make the Parking lot, warehouse, and those
plucky sigil
Yeah but I'm specifically taking about like 1 or 2 tiles that could be the in be...
The transition tiles were supposed to be the stairs
Idk if thats still the idea
But more transition tiles is always appreciated !!
tardy rivet
the stairs is the transition between hallways and maintenance
plucky sigil
i guess stairs would make even more sense if they were to connect with parking lot too
plucky sigil
actually it could be 2 zones, idk how you guys have it set up or will have it set up, but maybe one zone is the mall and the other is maintenance and parking lot
something like mineshaft
since the transitions are stairs, it could be a 2 floors zones
tardy rivet
I have to admit something😳
I may or may not have lost the unity project...
BUT
I have the github with an old version
AND
there wasnt that much important stuff on it, so its not a big deal
plucky sigil
tardy rivet
I also have the newest version of it but idk if it will import correctly
currently investigating it
chilly pulsar
I may or may not have lost the unity project...
you should just give it to me i promise i wont lose it
loses it
tardy rivet
it’s okay i’ll just replace it with a similar looking one
nimble vector
Well maybe the garage bay could just be a piece that connects only the parking lot to the storage rooms.
....actually that makes way more sense anyway.
tardy rivet
Alright sure, you mean that part with the garage doors in the video right?
nimble vector
Yes, if anything else in it speaks to you go for it but yeah that and the concrete box and car sized path and all.
nimble vector
I'm sorry it's so blurry
tardy rivet
I think that it should connect the storage rooms to the parking area, not the parking area to the storage rooms
nimble vector
I honestly really tried to find a frame that didn't look smudged.
nimble vector
I think that it should connect the storage rooms to the parking area, not the pa...
Either way.
tardy rivet
I think it would make sense for the parking area to connect at the end, the trucks go through there and to the garage area, where everythings then moved into the storage area.
In a realistic view that would make the most sense, but I think that the parking areas "entrance" to the outside world should be visible but not accessible, like rocks blocking it or something like that.
tardy rivet
good news :D
the project was (mostly) saved
it got corrupted a bit because it was being tossed around disks
and then canceled while moving it because I got impatient
all i have to do is repatch the project and I should be a-ok
nimble vector
I wonder how the moon should feel for this interior.
nimble vector
We're not at that point yet
plucky sigil
Yeah xd
hollow glade
not every interior need a complementary moon
finite crane
Yeah, making a moon for this one is a little more than I can bother with
tardy rivet
I feel like the moon would be weird anyway since theres not anything special to a mall, unless we made the moon urban (super difficult) or it would be a forest moon with a mall entrance into the interior (feels too basic)
glass bane
A moon like the entrance to the mall of the oldest view ?
nimble vector
I feel like the moon would be weird anyway since theres not anything special to ...
Yes but I also think a silent hill esque design fits as well. At least I think there should be a near perma-fog that's a bit shorter than the ones in other moons but still allows you to actually see decently far still. Fog weather should probably also be common on this moon.
tardy rivet
lets mallmoon!
plucky sigil
tardy rivet
i’m waiting for a patcher fix, i’ll be modeling some stuff in the meantime
nimble vector
Modeling going well?
nimble vector
Oh sorry
nimble vector
Suddenly, damaged electronics.
It just occurred to me that this is actually a type of carabiner loop and knowing that fucking scares me seeing the damage.
nimble vector
🎵Oh, Steamboat Bill, steaming down the mississippi!
Steamboat Bill, a mighty man was he!
Oh, Steamboat Bill, steaming down the Mississippi!
Gonna beat the record of the Robert E. Lee!🎵
(rams an entire damn steamboat into the side of the mall)
tardy rivet
what
chilly pulsar
norman's gone not norm-al
dw, it subsides quite quickly
he will be back to norm-al soon
finite crane
I think he needs a steamboat
nimble vector
I think he needs a steamboat
I don wrecked mine, it's in pieces all over the mall
I knew I shouldn't have driven it on land damnit.
nimble vector
tardy rivet
what is going on
tardy rivet
just waiting for a fix for the patcher
tardy rivet
Well I fixed the patcher yesterday, now I need to rebuild all the tiles
now that I know a better way to do it it will take quicker
and it’s the weekend
finite crane
And I sent him new versions of all the tiles
nimble vector
YIPPEE
tardy rivet
We currently have 18 tiles in total!
(All the ones Jacu made)
The ones I'm making, for right now the apparatus cafe I'm redoing.
I don't think it fit the style of what Jacu has been doing and I want the interior to be consistent
Other than that, jacu cooked
Im going to bed though, tomorrow I will get everything generating
and I will learn about archetypes so the Maintenance rooms connect with the mall hallways
nimble vector
Idt it has to be too consistent
They are stores
I mean a lot of stores have their own branding and style. If we make those tiles too similar to the rest of the mall I think that might actually backfire a little and make it too monotone.
The store tiles are probably the one thing that actively should stand out separate from the malls asthetics.
I wouldn't worry too much.
tardy rivet
I’m not talking about theming, because that’s fine. It’s about the models and textures being too simple compared to the rest of what Jacu has already made.
Anyways today i’m going to get everything working and generating in unity
chilly pulsar
We currently have 18 tiles in total!
thats sweet!
how many stores do yuo have done?
tardy rivet
lmao
tardy rivet
I'll work on them today when I finish the unity setup
chilly pulsar
i wouldnt mind doing some stores (candy shop, furniture store, etc) so if you finish one of them send it to me as a template
and i can try and find a way to send it back
with new tiles
tardy rivet
The template is in the pinned messages
Just boxes with the correct scale to connect to the mall hallways
chilly pulsar
i know but like, an actual full store so i can understand the theming you guys want
with props and scrap placements and allat
midnight forge
Im working on them I promise😭
Oh myyyy
Though the apparatus cafeteria does look good
chilly pulsar
Do you know how to do archetypes<:stare:1360746416477175878>
ive never messed with them personally but wesley told me a wee bit abt them and they arent that hard seemingly
something something put one archetype as the start node and one as the end node
tardy rivet
something something put one archetype as the start node and one as the end node
that seems like a weird way, because then that tileset would always be the last one
tardy rivet
this was the catacombs, the first interior mod I was working on
more than a year ago
it has not felt that long
nimble vector
My eyes hurt
tardy rivet
why
nimble vector
Aaaaaaaa
steel apexBOT
https://trello.com/b/aPp6LujD/mall-idea-board
chilly pulsar
fesh pot ot fleanits
finite crane
is this one of the coffee shops?
small one yeah
(how the hell do we make a large one lmao)
tardy rivet
I dont know, lets just not do it I guess
chilly pulsar
small one yeah
(how the hell do we make a large one lmao)
put in the titular mascot “javarez the java bean”
he sings and dances and explodes
chilly pulsar
small one yeah
(how the hell do we make a large one lmao)
look at some starbucks places
ive seen some big starbucks
sometimes they are mixed with bookstores
That would be a good combo
nimble vector
Preddy
nimble vector
I'm calling it PRETTY just like how you are
PRETTY DEAD
plucky sigil
are you ready for freddy?????
nimble vector
plucky sigil
I'm calling it PRETTY just like how you are
# PRETTY DEAD
true
beanie is really pretty
nimble vector
Yeah that MOTHERFU-......wait what?
chilly pulsar
I'm calling it PRETTY just like how you are
# PRETTY DEAD
remember if i die we all die
chilly pulsar
beanie is really pretty
true
im so glubtastic
ignore the watcher in the background
he only devours your soul if you say his name thrice
plucky sigil
the watcher the watcher the watcher
nimble vector
im so glubtastic
The watcher the watcher the watcher-
AHHH-
raven sorrel
we need a propset for each room layout where the golden man shows up
tardy rivet
yes
nimble vector
Imagine if the golden man was a thing that appears randomly and after seeing it when you look away he teleports somewhere else without warning
Who knows where he went, who knows where he's from.
He's here he's there he's everywhere, the golden man is near.
finite crane
I reckon all this needs is some paintings and then prop scatter
finite crane
food, or smth idk
chilly pulsar
food, or smth idk
thats alot of preservatives
finite crane
SUSTENANCE
finite crane
chilly pulsar
life happened
coffee still helps
@tardy rivet when are you gonna start working on your own interior /j
Tee hee
tardy rivet
<@718610030076887173> when are you gonna start working on your own interior /j
I’m trying😭
tardy rivet
@finite crane Should I keep making the apparatus cafe or should I just use your coffee shop?
midnight forge
<@478949646497218560> Should I keep making the apparatus cafe or should I just u...
Sounds like a considerable question.
Of course you should! Or not. :(
nimble vector
food, or smth idk
Give it healing properties
Please
Anyway this is mind-blowing
It honestly kinda reminds me of a place I use to go to when I still lived in iowa
finite crane
<@478949646497218560> Should I keep making the apparatus cafe or should I just u...
This is more of a generic one I think
nimble vector
<@478949646497218560> Should I keep making the apparatus cafe or should I just u...
Make your own
Make more steel and slightly (very slightly) more scifi or modern so it's like the two are almost opposites or complimentary to one another because the other is kinda an older more wood cozy style.
😀
finite crane
Maybe a neon retro style? sorta?
finite crane
Do uhh... Do we really wanna do very large tiles?
Like, at this point this interior is just gonna need custom code/dependency to slow down the time 💀
tardy rivet
why would we need that?
finite crane
Because this interior is gonna be one of the largest lol
tardy rivet
you’re not supposed to explore the entire interior in one day, although some people may want to, it’s almost impossible for anyone
hollow glade
you’re not supposed to explore the entire interior in one day, although some peo...
Yeah but low scrap moons are going to be ass
With this interior if it is generated too big, you can see what happens with the rubber rooms
tardy rivet
isn’t there a way to make the interior size smaller on low scrap moons?
hollow glade
Yeah but 1 is the minimum
And you can't expect moon makers to go lower when they can spawn other interiors, the whole balance would be broken
If you want it to be big you'll need to make a script that spawn some extra scrap
tardy rivet
well there is going to be vending machines and garbage mechanics to get extra scrap
tardy rivet
Yeah but 1 is the minimum
wouldn’t I be able to generate the size smaller in unity so the minimum size can be smaller in game?
hollow glade
I'd say once you have the generation up and running, before you add those mechanics do a test run on small/medium/big moons with different min/Max scrap to see how much you'd need to add with those mechanics (you don't want to overdo either)
hollow glade
wouldn’t I be able to generate the size smaller in unity so the minimum size can...
I think so, you'd need to set up a base 1 generation, taking into account how big the tiles are and the amount of scrap spawning nodes
finite crane
We can just ask purple to test it for us 
tardy rivet
alright, i’ll figure that out today
tardy rivet
We can just ask purple to test it for us <:plink:1308332227318255696>
I think a lot of people would be willing to test it
finite crane
Here's a project with the arcade cabinet I just made, if anyone wants to create textures for it. Or even create model variants.
tardy rivet
For some reason the interior won't generate when length multiplier is 1, but the minimum is 1.5
finite crane
shouldnt the minimum be 1.0?
finite crane
just set the minimum to 1.0?
tardy rivet
I tried, it won't generate lmao
midnight heath
Because this interior is gonna be one of the largest lol
at the end it would still depend for the default size multiplier, size scaler and tile size
It could be big in tiles, but have less rooms
finite crane
Oh, how do tile size work?
midnight heath
Oh, how do tile size work?
The tile size multiplier from the moon is divided by a value before clamps are applied.
It ensures that interiors with different '1x' tile counts and room sizes are comparable in total size.
The Facility is 1x and the Mansion is 1.5x in Vanilla.
afaik it has a minimun and a maximun value for that
finite crane
So... Ours would have to be lower than 1.0
midnight heath
So... Ours would have to be lower than 1.0
I may be wrong, I don't know a lot of this :,]
nimble vector
Do uhh... Do we really wanna do very large tiles?
Yes, besides people who are looking for something like a whole ass mall for an interior probably shouldn't be people who are worried about time or don't already set the time to half, 0.2, or frozen.
finite crane
I feel like many would anyway
tardy rivet
Lets just see how playtesters feel about it
plucky sigil
chilly pulsar
Do uhh... Do we really wanna do very large tiles?
you would need to downsize the generation then
which i think would hurt the rest of the interior
so ill say... no
best way to do "big" interiors is to have a bunch of small rooms connect seamlessly into a big one
for example each tile on vehicle hangar is super duper schmol
but
all together it go big
finite crane
Its meant to be a store, and it would "block" a large store in the process
finite crane
Functionally the space taken is barely any different
chilly pulsar
usually they are bite sized
chilly pulsar
Functionally the space taken is barely any different
hmm.
hollow glade
Yes, besides people who are looking for something like a whole ass mall for an i...
this would absolutly break the gameplay loop imo
finite crane
I think slowing it down would be fine. This is definitely an interior that thrives on large moons, and the large distances are gonna make it annoying to haul scrap around even if you know where you're going
Not by much, like 20% or something
chilly pulsar
I think slowing it down would be fine. This is definitely an interior that thriv...
uhh.. no
you shouldnt have to change a core gameplay mechanic for your interior to work
the mall should be a spectacle on large moons, and it should stay like a mini mall on small moons
thats how all interiors are supposed to be
if you do make it huge, you need to compromise by incorporating a mechanic that makes it easier to traverse
for example, conveyor escalators that send you quickly around the main halls would work
(the horizontal conveyor things they often have in airports)
that way the only time spent slogging around is in the stores or high up walkways
nimble vector
this would absolutly break the gameplay loop imo
Ok? Pretty half of the mods that exists do that. Again people who want a vanilla experience are not the people who would play this.
If you want mostly vanilla you probably shouldn't get ANY mods to begin with really.
chilly pulsar
Ok? Pretty half of the mods that exists do that. Again people who want a vanilla...
absolutely not
tardy rivet
(the horizontal conveyor things they often have in airports)
hmm this could be interesting
chilly pulsar
i have never once used a time slowdown mod
finite crane
If you want mostly vanilla you probably shouldn't get ANY mods to begin with rea...
Pretty terrible take
chilly pulsar
and i love interiors like this
you can have an interior feel big but stay playable
finite crane
Maybe just having it as a suggestion then
chilly pulsar
breaking a core gameplay function just to make something work is not an option
finite crane
And I can't really see Escalators like that fitting into the aesthetic
nimble vector
You shouldn't expect mods to be vanilla unless they specifically say it's meant to be like vanilla
chilly pulsar
And I can't really see Escalators like that fitting into the aesthetic
its... a mall
home of escalators
finite crane
Vertical escalators
nimble vector
It's not terrible that's how mods are, they're mods the whole point is to modify the game.
finite crane
Although, I guess if we're increasing loot spawn rates it doesn't matter that much
raven sorrel
Before deciding what you want to do and how you want to balance it, test it a quota or day on Experimentation > Vow > Rend > March > Titan > Artifice
chilly pulsar
You shouldn't expect mods to be vanilla unless they specifically say it's meant ...
midnight sanctuary isnt totally vanilla, does that mean it should teleport all the ourdoor monsters inside when it generates?
tardy rivet
I do think that size isn't that big of a deal, as I have never once explored the entirety of the larger interiors
chilly pulsar
no, because that would heavily destroy the core gameplay aspects
nimble vector
midnight sanctuary isnt totally vanilla, does that mean it should teleport all t...
Only if you want to
I did when I played it
It actually was kinda cool
chilly pulsar
I did when I played it
wdym
finite crane
Before deciding what you want to do and how you want to balance it, test it a qu...
Yeah, getting an average profit amount compared to other interiors would help a lot.
tardy rivet
Size is also not that big of a deal because you have the option to config it to your liking
chilly pulsar
the point is you cant just change a core gameplay aspect and expect people to be fine with it / have it run smoothly
raven sorrel
nimble vector
It's an outdoor environment. Why would I not treat it like an outdoor environment?
That would be a waste
raven sorrel
Yeah, getting an average profit amount compared to other interiors would help a ...
if you can get an inventory and a half SOLO the distribution is fine
chilly pulsar
It's an outdoor environment. Why would I not treat it like an outdoor environmen...
because having 5 forest giants indoors could cause gameplay problems
finite crane
if you can get an inventory and a half SOLO the distribution is fine
That's all you get when running solo 
nimble vector
the point is you cant just change a core gameplay aspect and expect people to be...
Yes you can. It's your mod. If they want it they'll get it. If they don't they won't.
chilly pulsar
if people want the mall to generate huge and want to slow down time, then they can configure that. they can set that up. however, if you baked the time thing into the mod and made it huge, then the people who dont want it to work like that would suffer
nimble vector
We don't have to shackle our selves or creations to the core design of the game and there are tons of mods that don't.
chilly pulsar
if people want the mall to generate huge and want to slow down time, then *they*...
theres time slowdown mods and you can configure it to be larger
raven sorrel
That's all you get when running solo <:The_Rock_Stare:1049318186438373396>
I was able to get 4 inventories on 1010 Court w mansion
so you can def get more
nimble vector
if people want the mall to generate huge and want to slow down time, then *they*...
What? No one said that
Wtf are you talking about?
Of course we're not baking that in
chilly pulsar
Of course we're not baking that in
...
chilly pulsar
requiring people to get a mod like that just to play it is a horrible idea
is my point
you should NEVER require another mod that changes how the game works just to make something usable
nimble vector
Well it's not meant to be vanilla it's meant to fulfill an idea and vision
finite crane
if people want the mall to generate huge and want to slow down time, then *they*...
Yeah this is fair.
Definitely adding hardcoded extra scrap spawns though. Should result in the same effect (similar profit amounts as any other interior) without screwing with time speed
nimble vector
Plus if it's too big you can just generate it smaller
raven sorrel
Yeah this is fair.
Definitely adding hardcoded extra scrap spawns though. Shou...
yup
chilly pulsar
Yeah this is fair.
Definitely adding hardcoded extra scrap spawns though. Shou...
extra scrap is fine. thats logical
raven sorrel
this is the standard
nimble vector
There are options beyond just time
raven sorrel
this is the standard
it is ideally what you should go for
HOWEVER you should play the interior first on the moons I mentioned
finite crane
It'll just make full clears exceedingly rare
raven sorrel
and then feel out the extra scrap
chilly pulsar
Plus if it's too big you can just generate it smaller
yeah but the standard shouldnt be too big they should be normal and then if you want it to be bigger you config it to be bigger. you shouldnt have to downsize to have fun
raven sorrel
It'll just make full clears exceedingly rare
Have you ever seen a grand armory full clear? cuz I have not
nimble vector
So half life interior just gets a pass?
raven sorrel
it is veeery rare for big interiors to get full cleared
nimble vector
That thing is like 4x bigger than the mall
chilly pulsar
So half life interior just gets a pass?
ive never played that so i wouldnt know
raven sorrel
hell, even mineshaft is really really hard to full clear
chilly pulsar
That thing is like 4x bigger than the mall
then thats poor balancing
nimble vector
It's not meant to be balanced
raven sorrel
so I wouldn't use full clears as a metric for how good the interior is or how good it pays off
hollow glade
So half life interior just gets a pass?
that one has its own moon that balances the scrap that spawns inside
chilly pulsar
im not the dev of that and ive never played it so i cant really say anything about that
tardy rivet
HOWEVER you should play the interior first on the moons I mentioned
Yeah we will, its just we are far from that point
nimble vector
Or at least it has a specific balance in mind
tardy rivet
I don't think we have to change much tbh
finite crane
That thing is like 4x bigger than the mall
Honestly, can't even say for sure. It's mostly "big" because of the extra floors. Ours is wider in exchange
nimble vector
Big interiors are unwieldy yeah but if people want a balanced or vanilla experience they shouldn't seek something big. That's not a bad thing it's just not meant for vanilla. It's a different experience.
tardy rivet
this is not that big for the generation size, but yet the mall part are large
finite crane
I mean that's 1.0 scale generation no?
tardy rivet
1.5
finite crane
What's artifice at?
chilly pulsar
this is not that big for the generation size, but yet the mall part are large
this is fine tbh
tardy rivet
it won't generate any smaller
raven sorrel
What's artifice at?
1.8
finite crane
Huh
chilly pulsar
this is not that big for the generation size, but yet the mall part are large
im assuming this is without stores
hollow glade
this is not that big for the generation size, but yet the mall part are large
you just need to watch the scrapspawn points and test test test so you can see how much you'll need to compensate (if you do) with vending machines/trashcans
finite crane
Really? I would have figured the high tier moons would be larger than that
tardy rivet
im assuming this is *without* stores
Yes
raven sorrel
Really? I would have figured the high tier moons would be larger than that
well rend and dine are the same size
nimble vector
Point is I don't think this project is concerned with being strictly adhered to vanilla design. Plus it's adjustable and in it's normal state it's not that bad.
raven sorrel
I suppose it's cuz mineshaft is fairly common on there
finite crane
Point is I don't think this project is concerned with being strictly adhered to ...
We've already decided here
tardy rivet
We haven't modeled the stores yet
finite crane
you haven't
chilly pulsar
Point is I don't think this project is concerned with being strictly adhered to ...
theres a difference between veering from vanilla design and impacting every other mod in order to make your interior work tho...
tardy rivet
~~*you* haven't~~
lmao I'm sorry
chilly pulsar
~~*you* haven't~~
nimble vector
theres a difference between veering from vanilla design and impacting every othe...
That's not what they're doing
tardy rivet
the appy cafe got lost and then I'm going to have to figure out how to texture
chilly pulsar
That's not what they're doing
I know, its what you suggested
nimble vector
It's not impacting vanilla or anything outside of itself
But if you want a vanilla experience then yeah trying to make it work for that might not mesh well.
chilly pulsar
It's not impacting vanilla or anything outside of itself
if you need to scale down time it impacts any moon the interior generates on
chilly pulsar
so... warping time is incosequential to game balance for the moons
yeah that makes sense
finite crane
Increasing loot spawns results in the same end result without time manipulation. Argument over
nimble vector
In Wesley moons it probably would be very noticable
tardy rivet
The problem with time slowing is that it impacts the time even when the interior isn't generated
finite crane
That's why I said hardcoded
tardy rivet
There isn't a good way to add it. Increasing loot spawn is a way better approach
and easier might I add
nimble vector
You don't have to specifically slow down time you also can generate it smaller
finite crane
Ruins the vibe if it's like two hallways
nimble vector
That's my point though it's not made for vanilla
It has a specific balance and is a specific experience.
You could but it's not meant for it.
finite crane
this is not that big for the generation size, but yet the mall part are large
Also yeah, this feels too small for a proper mall vibe. Maybe we should aim for a loot rush feel, so gigantic interior that you aren't supposed to full clear
Like, same maintenance scale, but a lot more hallways
This, but maintenance being smaller https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1263331556626268190/1432767029429141847/image.png?ex=690785c7&is=69063447&hm=e5d1b5fd86ed1a057fec6a790b7fc3691b0b255e6d3899abb9bba58b986a5881&
tardy rivet
how about this?
chilly pulsar
looks clean to me
finite crane
Still feels kinda small
finite crane
MORE HALLWAYS
tardy rivet
I could just change the global length
finite crane
Keep the 1.5 scale
tardy rivet
?
finite crane
Although you really gotta figure out why it fails at 1.0
That generation looks more interesting. Generate a few of them?
nimble vector
.....I guess beanie has a point though. Is there any way to change the style In how it generates based on the size factor? Also if the size factor can be made to be small on lower tier moons or to match the size the moon has?
tardy rivet
nimble vector
That might be worth looking into. As much as ik it doesn't have to be vanilla and I would not want the vision to be compromised it would suck if it couldn't be fully enjoyed at normal time scale or at smaller sizes.
I don't know how feasible that is though.
tardy rivet
nimble vector
Actually that's a nice layout. There should be a type that's grid like I think because malls are kinda like connected boxes but I really like this one.
nimble vector
Dun gen doesn't like squares for some reason.
nimble vector
....maybe it could load a few separated branched chunks, snap them to a a grid somehow, and then use misc tiles to connect them? That's the simplest idea I have
nimble vector
Should I keep the second maintenence section?
I don't see why not
Damn you dun gen
tardy rivet
This... not so much
finite crane
I actually like that one
nimble vector
You should see half of the layouts play zone comes up with
Me too
Beeg tho
Very big
finite crane
That's the point :)
nimble vector
We should record that one and have it make ones like it for small size factor.
finite crane
Agreed
tardy rivet
I don't know if thats possible
nimble vector
Me either
tardy rivet
this is the best one
finite crane
This is like experimentation scale. The one after is artifice
Yeah, that's artifice scale
nimble vector
this is the best one
This variant should probably be the standard for most variants
finite crane
Looks like some spots are failing to generate dead ends which kinda sucks
nimble vector
It should be possible to have a layout and have it modify it make make derivatives of, I just hope it doesn't require like hard mods to dun gen or making to big of an addon or something.
Maybe notezy or batby will know something.
Like it looks at it and changes it or tries to make something like it.
tardy rivet
Looks like some spots are failing to generate dead ends which kinda sucks
I could make blockers
finite crane
Huh?
nimble vector
Like it looks at it and changes it or tries to make something like it.
It's something some games do for semi random or partially random generation so it still makes something specific that still varies.
I just don't know if dun gen is compatible though.
There's probably a much simpler way
finite crane
Like predefined generation shapes? No not really
nimble vector
Yeah I didn't think so
finite crane
The grid shape is what I had in mind while modelling, so that came out perfect
nimble vector
Yeah a lot of these for random gen look even better than I thought they would
finite crane
Just annoying the hallways aren't properly generating dead end tiles
nimble vector
Yeah idk why it's doing that
finite crane
It's because it generates the hallways piece and then goes "oh shit can't generate further this way" and fails to generate a dead end because that takes up a bit of space
nimble vector
Maybe we can get it to do a second pass when it generates an interior and to tack on the dead ends where they should be at last.
finite crane
What it should do is check if it can generate the dead end afterward
tardy rivet
Maybe we can get it to do a second pass when it generates an interior and to tac...
It does 100 passes every time to get it the best it can
finite crane
It doesn't check if it has room to generate a dead end
And I don't really wanna just model a flat wall dead end
Boring as shit
tardy rivet
finite crane
Damn that looks nice
nimble vector
And I don't really wanna just model a flat wall dead end
Yeah no plus the dead end tiles are almost perfect for all of the cool and unique things in actual malls and stuff already made for the interior.
finite crane
Store placement is gonna be fucking non Euclidian though 💀
nimble vector
If it gets bad we could just use portals, it's probably already going to be a nightmare on lower end PCs so why not.
finite crane
@chilly pulsar is there a way for it to check if a tile after the currently generating tile has room to exist? To avoid stuff like this
tardy rivet
Im not going to figure out portals lmao
nimble vector
It should be easy to make minimum distances between hallways across from each other especially since there's already a lot empty space in a lot of the gens. We probably won't even need that much it should be fine.
finite crane
If it gets bad we could just use portals, it's probably already going to be a ni...
Yeah no lol
nimble vector
Just an idea
nimble vector
It should be easy to make minimum distances between hallways across from each ot...
Besides ☝️
finite crane
I realised afterward that they can't generate properly anyway. They'd overlap in corners always
nimble vector
It can probably be corrected
finite crane
Though maybe it'll work in our favour. I already made a "blocked off doorway" prop, like one of those shoddy wood panel things when a store is under renovation?
tardy rivet
or those metal blockers
finite crane
It'd help spread the stores apart and keep them from generating like crazy
nimble vector
Idk, the metal doors should probably be used for stores that exist and can close.
nimble vector
Which reminds me of it closes when you're in the store is there a contingency for that besides teleporter?
nimble vector
Damn
tardy rivet
I want to see people running out of the interior and then see someone trying to get out of the store and screaming
I like how its generating now
nimble vector
Me too but it would suck if there's no counter and you're just screwed.
nimble vector
I like how its generating now
Nice
tardy rivet
Me too but it would suck if there's no counter and you're just screwed.
I want to get a sound for when theres like a minute or two before the ship takes off where its like
chilly pulsar
<@856689661149184000> is there a way for it to check if a tile after the current...
it automatically does that
rooms cant generate inside each other as long as your bounds are done right
tardy rivet
"Attention shoppers, please exit all stores. Or suffer the consequences"
or something like that
nimble vector
The "Or suffer the consequences" should be distorted to add to the tension.
finite crane
The shutters are if a store successfully generated. But there'll be a walled off doorway if it fails to generate
tardy rivet
Yeah, thats what I was thinking
finite crane
Hard to find a pic for this, but imagine it's a plywood wall
tardy rivet
The "Or suffer the consequences" should be distorted to add to the tension.
Kind of like the introduction on the ship
finite crane
I want to get a sound for when theres like a minute or two before the ship takes...
Music stops and lights start blinking off sounds cooler to me
finite crane
rooms cant generate inside each other as long as your bounds are done right
No no, the issue there is it generates a hallway tile but doesn't have enough room for a dead end tile, so there's just a hole there
nimble vector
Well yeah but maybe there can be a backroom in the stores where they will lead to the existing maintenance hallways.........eventually but it will take so long that you will need to move fast or you will still die like you were trapped. That way there's still a reason to run and it's still a deadly consequence without being completely doomed. Like if you try to keep all of your heavy scrap you will still NEVER make it out and be designed like that on purpose but if you're light and keep running maybe with tzp you'll potentially make it.....barely.
finite crane
I could create some techy screech sound for the cut. Like an employee just pulled the cord or something
tardy rivet
even when they're is enough room
chilly pulsar
No no, the issue there is it generates a hallway tile but doesn't have enough ro...
then you gotta make a blocker for when that happens
you cant not have blockers
even if you have 500 dead end tiles you need blockers
nimble vector
Well yeah but maybe there can be a backroom in the stores where they will lead t...
Basically the way out of a store if you're trapped should still be like it almost isn't a way out but is if you have enough time. I think that would still be fair. Opinions lunar?
finite crane
I made two types. The short one, and the branch shaped one with stairs going to the bottom floor
Oh wait, do the dead ends count as tiles and not blockers?
tardy rivet
Yes
finite crane
Ahh
tardy rivet
Also I only have one dead end
nimble vector
The blockers need blockers 🤣
finite crane
Try and get the dead end tile to be a blocker instead of a tile
tardy rivet
woah
finite crane
We go a little wild with it
finite crane
Maintenance is being overshadowed
Ratio is off
Should be about a quarter maintenance as far as visual scale goes
nimble vector
Divert power to hallways
tardy rivet
thats because you're not seeing a lot of it
finite crane
Show from bottom?
tardy rivet
finite crane
I wonder how cullfactory is gonna handle this one...
tardy rivet
great
finite crane
Oh I guess that's fine then
plucky sigil
The hallways will be crazy with cull factory hehe
nimble vector
I wish there was a setting for cull so that when you see the edge it's like a fog that slowly gets thicker the farther you look.
finite crane
I think it has per interior culling modes? I think one of them is LOS based
tardy rivet
nimble vector
I wish there was a setting for cull so that when you see the edge it's like a fo...
Kinda like silent Hill ya know?
tardy rivet
I changed tile probabilities so theres more maintenance rooms
finite crane
Crazy big now. What's global scale at
tardy rivet
1.5 still lmao
nimble vector
Wtf
finite crane
Oh boy
finite crane
That should be like 2.0 scale
nimble vector
The size definitely varies
tardy rivet
Well I'm changing miniscule things
plucky sigil
1.5 still lmao
At least it isnt the 40x Sleep had in the school xD
finite crane
I guess if you want to lunar you could focus on modelling more misc assets for the stores. Individual props or textures instead of the whole store
tardy rivet
At least it isnt the 40x Sleep had in the school xD
Im testing something now.
finite crane
That's what the 2.0 scale should look like
finite crane
Get 1.0 fixed and get it to be half the size of this pic
Also what the actual fuck is going on with the normals... Someone's gotta know what's up with that
nimble vector
At least it isnt the 40x Sleep had in the school xD
tardy rivet
this is 2 scale
finite crane
And that's not goood
tardy rivet
I feel like the hallways have to be cut in half
finite crane
For 1.0 scale absolutely
chilly pulsar
this is 2 scale
this is fine tbh
finite crane
Also they definitely gotta generate more grid like
chilly pulsar
Also they definitely gotta generate more grid like
that would be nice
something something doorway connection chance and changing branch type
finite crane
this is fine tbh
It's so much bigger than you think
chilly pulsar
ok yeah this gigantic
finite crane
One of the straight hallways would take like 6-8 seconds to cross full sprint no weight
Solid minute of W key to run down one of the long straights
tardy rivet
forest giant for example
finite crane
Yikes
chilly pulsar
ok yeah thats uh. a bit bignits..
finite crane
Me when interior is 3 times larger than big moons
tardy rivet
finite crane
That's the same one..
finite crane
Holy shit that's like the largest tile in art gallery and it's just ONE of our hallways
tardy rivet
lmao
By the way hallway joints are 10x more common to try to stop this
but it still happens
finite crane
Damn
Well, you have my permission to poke beanie as much as you want while I sleep
Bye
tardy rivet
Goodbye!
finite crane
I'm not dying 💀
tardy rivet
I forgot to add the hall stairwells as a tile...
finite crane
Yes you did
tardy rivet
It doesnt like to generate
nimble vector
forest giant for example
What the
nimble vector
That's really good
tardy rivet
theres no way this happened...
nimble vector
The earth worm fits right in
OH GOD
N O
nimble vector
theres no way this happened...
Uhhhhhhh what?
tardy rivet
theres no way this happened...
the stair way or the doors need to be reverse
tardy rivet
Uhhhhhhh what?
it only connects to one part, the other part just leads to nothing
nimble vector
I can.....see that
nimble vector
theres no way this happened...
How did this even happen? Is the box for the door not lined up or detected correctly??
tardy rivet
How did this even happen? Is the box for the door not lined up or detected corre...
The stair way is reversed
so it is mirrored from what its supposed to
nimble vector
The hell?
nimble vector
Yk once the weird quirks in generation are ironed out I'll be excited to see how scrap and enemy spawns interact with it.
Snare fleas should be pretty......interesting
nimble vector
I like how you think man
nimble vector
I dont want to deal with snare fleas
Me neither
tardy rivet
Anyways, I want to start modeling stuff now
nimble vector
🤘
glass bane
I'm truly amazed of how cool it looks like, I truly thought that a mall interior wouldn't be made but I'm glad that you're making it all
tardy rivet
Thanks for the support!
nimble vector
I'm truly amazed of how cool it looks like, I truly thought that a mall interior...
Well it has been a big tricky process for them I'd say but it's coming together nicely. Rn it's mostly ironing out kinks in the generation, modeling, and minor tweaking.
Amongst other things.
tardy rivet
oh wow
nimble vector
What the backrooms fuck am I even looking at??????
chilly pulsar
peak
nimble vector
I'm getting the feeling the stairs are going to be one of "those" tiles.
finite crane
oh wow
Set stairwell to not immediate generation?
If it keeps generating at the top then remove one door connector and just make sure no other tiles are allowed to spawn from those doors
plucky sigil
Peakrooms
tardy rivet
Set stairwell to not immediate generation?
If it keeps generating at the top the...
that’s not the problem
the problem is that the door cutouts you made in the hallway and the stair tiles are going in opposite directions, so the stairs can’t connect fully
finite crane
Ohh, right, it needs a mirror counterpart
tardy rivet
Now that generation is going well, I can start working on other things
cedar shale
I cannot wait for its release, ❤️
your interior totally gave me Atrium vibe from left4 dead 2
tardy rivet
I think parts of it are actually inspired
chilly pulsar
I think parts of it are actually inspired
we need a rare masked wearing the jimmy gibbs junior racer suit
finite crane
I think parts of it are actually inspired
One of the graffitis is from l4d, that's about it
nimble vector
I cannot wait for its release, ❤️
ME EITHER!
WOOO-
wicked sonnet
malt
tardy rivet
foot spa
chilly pulsar
im ngl this video is kinda peak theres so much good stuff
bro fr just got sent to the backrooms
hmm
chilly pulsar
lmao
the video is lowkey goated i love this channel
i want to urbex so bad
but
nobody to do it with and i cant really just teleport to abandoned places
tardy rivet
I did it once with my friends a couple of years ago😬
chilly pulsar
I did it once with my friends a couple of years ago😬
wha happenits
anything special
tardy rivet
well idk if it was urbex but it was an abandoned house
chilly pulsar
yeah thats urbex
tardy rivet
found some weird dolls, clown costume, and some other stuff I don't know if I'm allowed to mention
plucky sigil
:0
tardy rivet
It was so weird
tardy rivet
Thats actually so cool
chilly pulsar
what kind of... other stuff
plucky sigil
you got us curious now lunar
tardy rivet
hard drugs and a toilet filled with hygienic items for women
chilly pulsar
i mean who would leave the drugs behind tho thats gotta be expensive
tardy rivet
yeah nothing too bad
plucky sigil
like i can find that just by going to the parking lot on the mall near me xd
tardy rivet
i mean who would leave the drugs behind tho thats gotta be expensive
I don't know honestly
plucky sigil
okii
tardy rivet
That would be crazy
plucky sigil
teleport says its on a 5 year cooldown
chilly pulsar
generic might have some abandoned stuff around him too but idk
chilly pulsar
teleport says its on a 5 year cooldown
bro... you havent unlocked the cooldown reduction upgrade yet?
tardy rivet
I think there may be a popular mental hospital near me
chilly pulsar
it reduces it to 5 seconds
tardy rivet
thats known to be an urbex place
chilly pulsar
I think there may be a popular mental hospital near me
theres an asylum an hour from me
plucky sigil
bro... you havent unlocked the cooldown reduction upgrade yet?
its hard where i am 😔
plucky sigil
im in the middle of a city so not a lot of abandoned stuff near me :c
plucky sigil
we once used that app that was popular a few years back with a friend
tardy rivet
im in the middle of a city so not a lot of abandoned stuff near me :c
Wouldn't that mean more stuff?
chilly pulsar
Wouldn't that mean more stuff?
real estate gets taken over much quicker
plucky sigil
its a ever changing city
chilly pulsar
stuff usually gets abandoned due to a lack of foot traffick and customers
chilly pulsar
so being in a city where everyone is everywhere means when a business dies it gets taken over quickly
plucky sigil
so yeah what that beanling said
EXACTLY
thats what i wanted to say
thanks for reading my mind beanie
nimble vector
https://tenor.com/view/humbled-cat-gif-bie-gif-17493722235118145820
Thou shalt be more careful before uttering thine next "ahh"
nimble vector
Theres a power plant and missile silo near me apparently too
Wtf!?
tardy rivet
Gives of, The great view vibe
You mean oldest view?
nimble vector
You mean oldest view?
Nah, great view.....of ur mo- (proceeds to be murdered by 50 masked with butler knives)
tardy rivet
plucky sigil
gotta lower down Lunar anger in his config
tardy rivet
Who did it
plucky sigil
himself
nimble vector
50 masked, they stole the butler's knives.
plucky sigil
you are your worst enemy
plucky sigil
50 masked, they stole the butler's knives.
i was the 48th masked
tardy rivet
I have off tomorrow so I can work on it
plucky sigil
yay
nimble vector
you are your worst enemy
I really am
wicked sonnet
I have off tomorrow so I can work on it
wow
nimble vector
I have off tomorrow so I can work on it
Yes
y e s
cedar shale
You mean oldest view?
yeah i wanted to mean oldest view, but i got it wrong xD
nimble vector
Prepare to be bipped and bopped, sir
nimble vector
Prepare to be bipped and bopped, sir
tardy rivet
Eh
chilly pulsar
What else should I add
corporate posters on the wall and little stands with sugar, milk and other stuff to put in the coffee
tardy rivet
corporate posters on the wall and little stands with sugar, milk and other stuff...
Alright
plucky sigil
BRUH
tardy rivet
I added little displays for pastries and whatever
finite crane
Should I make more variations?
nimble vector
Yes but ones that are not sqaure
finite crane
Like... One of these?
Pretty much all arcade cabinets are box shaped my dude
finite crane
Well im not doing that first one 💀
high compass
finite crane
Is that an invitation?
nimble vector
Well im not doing that first one 💀
Oh no you don't have to do the actual scale, it's just like a super flat cabinet.
Also I forgot to include this one
I don't want it to be actually barrel like but
nimble vector
Oh no you don't have to do the actual scale, it's just like a super flat cabinet...
But yeah if you ever do the flat one just make it normal size that's it.
Dangit and I forgot this one too
I would pin these but I can't
nimble vector
WTH, Everytime I think I sent them all I find one I thought I already put up. Ok THESE are the last I swear. no more references I promise. I double checked.
finite crane
WTH, Everytime I think I sent them all I find one I thought I already put up. Ok...
Bro what in the innovation hell is the first one 💀
nimble vector
It's an old fiberglass cabinet
During like all of the space game cabinets some got the idea from Ed Roth's work to make space age rounded cabinets.
Honestly I don't expect you to even try that one
It's more or less an example of what some rounded cabinets look like besides the barrel one.
Basically they're either curved with rounded edges & corners or they're more or less like a table style contained in a cylinder shell. That's what all rounded arcade cabinet boil down to.
chilly pulsar
Should I make more variations?
@tardy rivet you should show him the upturned arcade machines
nimble vector
<@718610030076887173> you should show him the upturned arcade machines
Let's let them sit with these ones before we bombard them with more shit.........but yes totally dude.
finite crane
Knowing zeek they probably look totally different
raven sorrel
Should I make more variations?
these props are fucking awesome btw
you two are cooooking
chilly pulsar
Let's let them sit with these ones before we bombard them with more shit...........
free assets in zeekers style is peam
nimble vector
Total peam
tardy rivet
Should I make more variations?
I think this is fine for now
chilly pulsar
the surfaced room is going to have to be a memorial of sorts
fossilized horseshoot crabs and bruce skeleton display
tardy rivet
i don’t want to kill them😢
It’s supposed to be an aquarium
but maybe I put a skeleton with a gold plate that says something about surfaced
nimble vector
wispy garden
i don’t want to kill them😢
we need a super rare
finite crane
ohhhh shit, thats a good idea
tardy rivet
we need a super rare
wdym?
wispy garden
wdym?
polybius is an infamous urban legend of an arcade game
some say it was real some say it was not
"The Polybius game legend is an urban myth about a fictional 1981 arcade game that appeared briefly in Portland, Oregon. The legend claims the game was extremely addictive but also psychoactive, causing players to suffer amnesia, seizures, and night terrors, and that mysterious figures, or "men in black," collected data from the machines"
so idea is its a rare spawn the the arcade
even has a wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polybius_(urban_legend)
maybe id occasionally make some strange sounds
finite crane
id have to create another cabinet version, but yeah I can pretty quickly make a polybius skin
Can reuse the model so its totally worth it
wispy garden
id have to create another cabinet version, but yeah I can pretty quickly make a ...
yeah its pretty much shaped like a normal machine
finite crane
its sorta unique compared to the ones I already made
wispy garden
its sorta unique compared to the ones I already made
a lil but not far off
main thing is the sideways crt
finite crane
I want to add wires going along the floor, but im debating how to go about it. Low poly mesh would be less storage heavy, but it would have a render performance impact
most likely gonna be a flat mesh, so just one set of quads to represent the thing
tardy rivet
we could add some sick particles when you get close to it
wispy garden
we could add some sick particles when you get close to it
gives tzp effects XD
wispy garden
just a really long flashbang would be good too
true lol
wispy garden
https://tenor.com/view/lapiscel-bart-lobotomy-bart-simpson-simpsons-lobotomy-cor...
average polybius experiance
chilly pulsar
it better look like this
im literally planning a weather that tries to emulate this
high compass
im literally planning a weather that tries to emulate this
wait what
what the fuck
who invited him
tardy rivet
im literally planning a weather that tries to emulate this
that will be fun
I want to put the same effect on the arcade machine
nimble vector
Polybius 0.2% spawn chance, warning may cause you to die if you play it.
nimble vector
I mean that was the whole myth that the game was dangerous and was responsible for kids dying
tardy rivet
yeas
finite crane
Accumulated knowledge I think
tardy rivet
How long have you been modeling
finite crane
Jori wtf
midnight forge
what?
tardy rivet
what
finite crane
I saw that
midnight forge
?
plucky sigil
You gotta tell me what addon is that
midnight forge
which
midnight forge
multiple what
plucky sigil
The addons idk
plucky sigil
How did you make the names have like pc or mobile, and when being pinged it shows the uhm users icon
Idk you deleted the image i cant remember
midnight forge
plucky sigil
Hi jori
plucky sigil
What
midnight forge
tahw
plucky sigil
Jucaj
nimble vector
What the fuck happened?
I've read through this chat like 5 times and it still makes no sense.
tardy rivet
not sure
plucky sigil
Very sure
tardy rivet
no
tardy rivet
good
apparatus cafe is almost done
I have the next 2 or 3 tiles I'm doing next planned too
Do you guys like getting dev updates or would you like me to keep stuff a secret so you can find it yourself?
plucky sigil
The ones who dont wanna spoil themselves should not see the thread
Dev updates can be tagged as spoilers
plucky sigil
Yes it would
tardy rivet
I need artists
to start designing some posters and billboards and stuff
I need VAs for the closing announcements and maybe ads on TVs playing throughout the mall
Im going to make a collaboration post
finite crane
incoming polyamorous
tardy rivet
woahhh sick
