Lethal Quantities

[rain kernel]

But you're saying items without a value could be given a value if I wrote it in without the editor?

[tacit thunder]

no, since LethalQuantities wasn't able to find the object as an Item it won't work even if you add by hand

not sure why adding Ragdoll worked, but that's not guaranteed behaviour

[strong bough]

Are you sure? LethalQuantities allows you to change weights and price

[rain kernel]

The “items” clipboard, sticky note, and body don’t show up in LQ. And items that don’t have a value (such as store items) can’t be given a value.

[strong bough]

Oh with Remnants, store items have values

That's the idea at least

(I haven't yet tried it)

[rain kernel]

Oh when it "registers it as scrap", it gets values applied to it?

[rain kernel]

Oh interesting. It looks like it makes a separate copy of every store item that behaves the same, but has value properties on it.
As for the bodies, they don't seem to be an item. You can't pick them up. I'm guessing it's using a "hazard spawn" like a landmine or something to spawn a prop that looks like a body.

Actually I take that back. A body spawned inside a locker and it was glitching out moving, so maybe it is a ragdoll item, but just can't be picked up?

Either way, I doubt that adding Remnants would allow me to edit the weight of actual player bodies

[tranquil patrol]

The ragdoll is a specially set up item in the original code so I doubt there would be an existing way to get it to register as scrap alongside all other scraps

[rain kernel]

Not necessarily register as scrap, but just edit its weight? That's all I want to do

[strong bough]

So it works!!!?

[rain kernel]

No

[strong bough]

Hehehehe I haven't even tested it yet 😁 😊

ohdfguiafudbg

[strong bough]

it DOES register all store items as separate scrap though, right??

And it gives them value!

[rain kernel]

It seems to be able to give items that don't have value value by making a duplicate. These will only show up on the corpses it adds.
Actual store-bought ones will still have no value

[urban terrace]

@tacit thunder have you tested whether reducing the rarity of a vanilla interior using lethalquantities works?

with LLL I know you cant reduce like, facility or mansion below their default spawn rates for the moon

actually I can test it myself

it does work it seems but the simulate command doesnt show any of the interior rarities

[sharp dagger]

what do you mean specifically

the command fails, or the command works but fails to show the changed rates?

[urban terrace]

the latter

it shows the default rates as opposed to the rates created by LQ

but the actual interior spawning works

[tacit thunder]

it's been working fine for me, but i dont use the simulate command

[strong bough]

I might be wrong but I think rates created by LQ (and everything really) only get set to be such when the round starts

So I could see how LLL's simulate command could not be working (which is unfortunate)

@tacit thunder , there's no real fix for this right?

[tacit thunder]

there is not

LQ inserts dungeon flows into the level at in a RoundManager.GenerateNewFloor prefix, which i dont think the simulate command calls

which would explain why LQ changes don't appear

[tranquil patrol]

The only way to do it would be for LLL to call the prefix, which would be an entirely unnecessary load

[urban terrace]

yeah the flows themselves are working, so I can live without the simulate command xD

[tacit thunder]

Release 1.2.8

• Fixed web UI memory leak
• Added live preset modifications
• Fixed map size desync
  You can now keep the game open and modify the presets.json. When you load into a new moon, the preset should be applied, so now you don't have to open and close the game just to test changes

[shell bear]

Added live preset modifications
holy moly

[radiant shadow]

okay that’s a very very nice QoL update

[tacit thunder]

thanks, i got tired of waiting 10 min to make a change too

[upper sable]

oh, so that's why the price changes weren't working. can i change it in Global and it'll apply to every moon except the ones who specifically have their set prices?

[tacit thunder]

yes

[fierce tide]

Sorry guys I'm new to this but how do I import json file to the WebUI to tweak things there?>

[tacit thunder]

once you load into game once with the mod enabled, it'll generate a Preset.json file which you can find in your profile's bepinex config/LethalQuantities/Advanced/ folder

you can drag and drop that into the web ui to get started

[fierce tide]

Thank you so much

And once I finish tweaking, I’ll just save it as a new json file and replace the old one with it?

[tacit thunder]

yes

[fierce tide]

Thank you so much!

[crisp stone]

Yeahh unfortunately simulate support can’t be done without sub dependencies I don’t think

I wish it could

I technically could but…

might be a little too cursed

[sharp dagger]

@tacit thunder

I'm trying to get the ID of items to ensure they can't be messed with via. another mod

could the ID or name + ID be in the empty space there?

I cannot copy the ID name

[strong bough]

We do love you batby

[sharp dagger]

Also - couldn't a mod simply call upon the generation list again?...

When a moon is selected and the lever is pulled - a set of instructions go through to choose the correct interior

Surely that same step can be somehow tapped into o -o

[strong bough]

it doesn't call the generation list though, it calls the GenerateFloor... somethingsomething

[sharp dagger]

what if you pretend to generate without allowing it to actually create something? . ,.

a mimic - that kills actual generation when simulate gets used

would then get all the interior generation weights, see the math used- get the numbers and then kill off the rest of the code that would've executed

or am I speaking like... impossible nonsense . ,.

[strong bough]

I think that's possible, but the thing is that would require somehow stopping a method while it's being completed... and I think that's pretty hard to do because of how compilers work

I'm not an expert on the subject though.

[fierce tide]

Does LC_Office appear as SDM level in lethal quantities?

[strong bough]

Nope, it should get added to the list after you enter a game and generate a level (I think)

[strong bough]

are ScarletDevilMansion and LC Office both up-to-date for you?

[crisp stone]

Yeah that’s what LLL does

the issue is for another mod to use this they have to sub depend on LLL which Banana currently doesn’t want to do yet

There’s no hard feelings about it or anything

[fierce tide]

They are. Strange. Let me look into it.

So Scarlet Mansion just appears as MansionFlow? Or is it the vanilla Mansion? If so then what is Level2Flow?

[strong bough]

oh wowwww

[strong bough]

No Scarlet Mansion is SDM (ScarletDevilMansion)

[twilit hawk]

@tacit thunder Hey, how difficult would it be to change the scrap value and amount multipliers to a dictionary with every weather type? Mostly looking to have separate scrap multiplier values depending on the current weather, to replace https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Fredolx/MeteoMultiplier since it currently overrides per-planet multiplier values set by LQ (I'd like to both nerf some modded moons and have the weather multipliers).

I was thinking of trying my hand at it and opening a pull request, but it might be substantially easier for you since I'm not familiar with the codebase.

[fierce tide]

Ohhh damn I'm stupid

[strong bough]

names are confusing :P

[crisp stone]

The function LLL uses to figure out all the dynamic rarities of dungeons just returns a list of <Dungeon, Rarity> that’s used both in real generation and in fake generation

[sharp dagger]

Fun fact, Meteo doesn't work with LP - ~- (Scrap amount multiplication does, scrap value doesn't)

[fierce tide]

And if I may ask what is Level 2?

[sharp dagger]

And if you use the original, VAL is bugged and it infinitely goes up. If you use the patch (assuming you don't mind the bloody game broken-) - the value gets set to whatever the val stat is, without carin' bout the weather

[tacit thunder]

yeah, that's not a bad place to put it. ill add it to my todo list

[sharp dagger]

I really wanna know the logic behind zeek setting all these scraps the values they are... only to then defaultly set it to all get multiplied by .44

.40?...

forgot - but it's some arbiturary decimal

[crisp stone]

numbers in games are just arbitrary as hell tbh

tweak and tweak and tweak until things feel right

[tacit thunder]

it should just be called SDMLevel

[crisp stone]

Sometimes there isn’t always a logical conclusion to what works

[sharp dagger]

In my approach, I would've balanced the game by setting the scrap values last - but it looked like they set the value first, then multiplied it later to feel what would work in balance

[strong bough]

Um! afaik, level 1 is facility, level 2 is haunted mansion, level1FlowExtraLarge is just bigger facility (its vanilla, only used on Titan)

[sharp dagger]

odd order imo, but order nonetheless

[tacit thunder]

it's not current possible, but i have it on my todo list, after i add weather weight modification

[strong bough]

I actually dont see a mansion flow on my end (youre looking at the LQ web ui, right?)

[fierce tide]

Thank you so much for your patience! I'm a complete noob on this new plugin

[crisp stone]

Just a heads up I have a feeling this might end up being a sub dependency necessasity in the future of both our mods

[fierce tide]

Oh that makes sense now. I have Minecraft interior installed. My guess is that Mansion refers to the mansion of that mod.

[strong bough]

i think that sounds right!

[twilit hawk]

Guessing they probably wanted to increase the amount of scrap that spawns (so there's more stuff for the player to pick up) without increasing the money you get from moons (and without having to modify each item), but yeah it's pretty arbitrary...

[tacit thunder]

hmmmmm... that would kind of be annoying

hopefully zeekerss figures out some better system or something

[crisp stone]

Yeah

I’m really hoping v50 reworks it because it seems very old compared to all the other systems

[tacit thunder]

yes...

[crisp stone]

I’ll talk to you more when it comes up but if you’ve seen how it works then I promise I’m saying this while trying 🙏😭

[sharp dagger]

so from what I'm figuring in this chat - if you use Quantities to set the rarities instead of the mods themselves that use LLL as a dependency - then the simulate command fails to show the right rates, and it shows the rates as if quantities didn't affect their odds? Right? . ,.

[tacit thunder]

no i actually have barely taken a look at it, but it seemed all over the place when i tried to look

[crisp stone]

Well first off

there are no weights

[sharp dagger]

what

[crisp stone]

and it’s all enum based

so

[sharp dagger]

is that not too far from just pedantic? . ,.'

It's basically 'weight' ., .

[tacit thunder]

😬

i might just leave it for weathertweaks then

im not too eager to reinvent the wheel

[crisp stone]

Each level’s weather is set to none, then it randomly picks a few levels, then it randomly picks one of the enabled weathers on that level

[crisp stone]

Hence why it might work best as an eventual sub dependency

[sharp dagger]

.,.' ..... just to clarify, I wasn't talking bout the weather situation.... just in case. o, o

meant to talk bout interiors . ,.'

[tacit thunder]

the weights aren't applied during the simulate command, since i think it only uses the LLL dungeon stuff to simulate picking the interiors

[twilit hawk]

Prefix level picking with a call to weather selection, but creating a new Random instance with the map seed so it picks the same weather even if it's called twice...

Mostly joking, probably would cause too many issues, haha.

[crisp stone]

The issue is the theoretical way I’d extended weather to allow for new weathers and rarities in LLL pretty much has to completely replace the weather selection in basegame

[twilit hawk]

Oh, right, I've been mostly thinking about vanilla weathers, yeah I can see a whole different weather system being required for adding custom weathers.

[sharp dagger]

Which is why I'm wonderin' if it's just possible to fake an actual generation. Like, make the game think you pulled the lever for that moon you typed the command to, but it doesn't actually go through generation. Is there a way to like... snip the code around actually creating the level but still go through the code of like picking scrap and choosing an interior. . ,. .... but this is me just rambling about a language I haven't stepped through the front door of - I just know basic 'n java... n it's been ages since java -u-'

Wonderin' how customizable it's possible

[tacit thunder]

probably not particularly, since changes are done via prefixes... but if you know the weights it should be fairly simple to calculate the chances of an interior

[sharp dagger]

how about... some compatibility patch of sorts on your end to not only affect the moons - but also somehow output like... Moon: [Set Interior Weight] file - for LLL to read

. ,.

then LLL just shoves in their code a way to read that file if it exists

outputs warning like "Can't find LQ_Rarities, You either do not have LethalQuantities or have not set any weights"

'n done n done - right? ., .

[urban crest]

Im currently working on a web ui to simulate my settings for LethalQuantities. It basically takes all the values in the presets.json and runs a simulation of what would happen

[fierce tide]

that is actually so cool!

[sharp dagger]

lol @ the 1 girl

bro

100 simulations and it spawns girl once?

I've seen her spawn like 3 times within 6 runs of experimentation 😅

[fierce tide]

is it possible for you and the dev to collab and make this simulation part of the UI as well?

[sharp dagger]

girl be mean to me group

[urban crest]

Im just using dummy data rn. So that data is not accurate but its a proof on concept

[tacit thunder]

it's unfortunately kind of difficult to say

[sharp dagger]

oh ok - then I'm not that unlucky

[tacit thunder]

that's actually pretty cool

[sharp dagger]

I'm probably oversimplifying it o~ o

Just thinkin' of like... how to handshake both of your mods without hassle

[tacit thunder]

well, ideally you'd use one mod or the other to configure the interior weights

[sharp dagger]

Yeah

[tacit thunder]

since using both configs is a bit confusing

[sharp dagger]

hence why I haven't noticed this bug

I use the interior generator's configs

so everythin' is fine-looking on my end

I guess like...

you could create options those configs don't have

something-something affecting interiors

like, if Eclipsed: Set rarity to X

i dunno o- o

[tacit thunder]

well the per interior/weather presets are not going to be anytime soon

but when i do add them ill probably have some sort of simulate results

[sharp dagger]

no rush, not that I even want it 😅

I just want mods to handshake often, if needed

more bridges, the better

[tacit thunder]

well yes, but that's a lot of bridges

ideally there would be a centralized modding api but it's probably not going to happen for a game like this

[dense timber]

Does the preset.json updates itself when I ad a new moon or do I have to delete it so it makes a new one?

[tacit thunder]

it adds a new one

it should be pretty good about updating the presets.json automatically if you add/remove a mod

[dense timber]

Because I just added a new moon and it has no enemies nor a parent selected

[tacit thunder]

it won't have a parent selected, but im not sure why the enemies list would be empty

which moon is this?

[dense timber]

Gordion Sector-0

[tacit thunder]

oh i think they might add their enemies by code, and so lethalquantities can't pick up on it?

it works for all other moons afaik

[dense timber]

But would I be able to add enemies to that moon and it working?

[tacit thunder]

it should

i dontknow exactly how they're adding enemies but it should work?

[dense timber]

Because I thought something went wrong with LethalQuantities and because of that no enemies would spawn on that moon

I guess I'll try and see

[tacit thunder]

👍

[dense timber]

But how would the rarity work in this case?

since the other enemies are not showing up
and these make up for a total of 100%

[tacit thunder]

it really depends on how they add in their enemies

it might only spawn those in the list

i really cant tell more without knowing how they spawn their enemies

[dense timber]

@tawdry summit Any insides?

[tacit thunder]

my changes are made in a RoundManager.LoadNewLevel prefix with a priority of 100. if they add their enemies before this, then LQ will overwrite whatever they have, but if not then it should have both

[fierce tide]

\

So I have only two Dungeons enabled, but when I simulate in game it appears that there's some chance for other dungeons to spawn. What's the issue here

[crisp stone]

simulate doesn't consider LQ

[fierce tide]

hmmm weird. If it doesn't then how come it spawns my modded interiors by default?

Oh I see. I have tweaked in config so that both two modded interiors have 300 rarity to spawn on my modded moons. Maybe that's why? But LQ still applies even though simulate doesn't consider it right?

[tacit thunder]

yes

[dense timber]

Yup, it does overide

just tested it

[tacit thunder]

ok

[fierce tide]

But even after tweaking the price of Titan, it still appears to be 700 in game. What's the issue here? Did I not replace the old preset correctly?

I saved this preset and then deleted the original preset, then I put in the new preset. This seems reasonable to me. Anyone know why?

[tacit thunder]

are you modifying the global preset?

[fierce tide]

no, but the parent tab is set to global by default. And I don't really know what that is so I didn't touch it

[tranquil patrol]

Which planet's preset are you changing the prices in?

[fierce tide]

Titan.

[tranquil patrol]

The "Price" isn't the price OF the planet, it's the price of travelling TO the planet FROM whichever planet you're setting the prices in. SO basically your setting currently sets the travel price To Titan, FROM Titan, to 200

So if you want the price to be 200 to get to Titan on every planet, you'll need to set Titan's price to 200 in the Global preset

[fierce tide]

Oh I see. Thank you so much!

Surprising how it can even tweak the price of going from one moon to another.

[tranquil patrol]

No problem, think of it like the planets are certain distances away from each other and the price is the cost of the fuel needed to cover those distances

[fierce tide]

If I set Titan to 200 under exp, and 300 under dine for example, it would make the prices of going to Titan from different moons different?

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah that's it

The way I have it set up, you can travel for free between different desert moons and between different forest moons, but it costs to go from a desert moon to a forest moon

And then if you're at Rend, you only need to pay the extra 50 to go to Dine, and going back to Rend would be free

[fierce tide]

Oh that makes so much sense. What a detailed mod man

[dense timber]

Do you have a sheet with all your prices?

[fierce tide]

If I may ask, what does the TestAllEnemies tab do?

[tranquil patrol]

Nah I just have the preset, I can probably make one if you want?

[tranquil patrol]

It's a dev moon Zeekers has, you can ignore it

[fierce tide]

oh ok. Thank you so much for your patience!

[dense timber]

Yeah that'd be interesting to have, Was looking for a way to change the game's moon progression

[fierce tide]

One last question though! So if I don't click the box of certain options, like the Enemies Tab and the Factory Size Multiplier Tab, it will just use the vanilla data for these tabs right? Also, does the mod WeatherMultiplier still work with LQ tweaked? (I guess it's two last questions lol)

[tacit thunder]

im not sure, it's a SelectableLevel but it seems like it's never used

[tranquil patrol]

It's hard to say about weather multipliers, it depends on how the mod's made, but it either does or it doesn't. Banana can correct me if I'm wrong cause on this one I'm not certain, but if you don't have a list (Enemies, DungeonFlows, Traps etc) option ticked it will default to filling the list with the default options, but the settings for the options in the list are still changeable by the Global preset. I'll write an example

[tacit thunder]

yes, any unselected option will default to whatever the original value was, and im not sure about the multiplier, but it might?

here's the flowchart for reference:

which should apply to the price

the red and orange = use default, and green = use custom

or, maybe not nvm

ignore what i said

[tawdry summit]

?

[dense timber]

Wanted to ask for insides on how the enemy spawing worked on your moon

[strong bough]

It works the same on every moon

Unless it’s being spawned through something like ScarletMansion’s custom code

[fierce tide]

Very valuable mindmap, thanks!

[tranquil patrol]

By default, Experimentation has two options for Dungeons: Level1Flow and Level2Flow. So with this ticked, you can add another dungeon type, then untick it and it'll be back to only Level1Flow and Level2Flow. In the Global preset you could add every possible dungeon flow to the list and it wouldn't change anything about Experimentation's list (even if Experimentation's list is ticked). In the Global preset however you can set the rarity values of the dungeon flows or the factory size multipliers, and while you have the Experimentation dungeon flows list unticked the values you set in Global will change the values for Experimentation. They will also change the values for Experimentation while the list is ticked, but only if the settings (rarity and size multiplier) are unticked

[fierce tide]

Got it. Basically ticked then whatever you put in, unticked then whatever you put in the parent (in your example, gloabal).

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah, and if there isn't a setting available in Global, it'll just be the game's default settings

[fierce tide]

Ok, I have somewhat grasped the basics of LQ now, thank you so much!

[tranquil patrol]

Npnp

[fierce tide]

If I share my profile after tweaking everything, would my friends have the same preset as I do ?

[dense timber]

Yes

[fierce tide]

Thanks!~

[tawdry summit]

ah, I just used the default stuff, but I copied enemytypes and stuff to avoid conflict with enemies spawning

[fierce tide]

I'm pretty sure WeatherMultipliers doesn't work with LQ on.

I just play tested. normally when I go to an eclipsed moon items are over $100 but now it's the same as default values with LQ on.

[strong bough]

WeatherMultipliers is buggy, use the forked version called MeteoMultiplier

[tacit thunder]

i use meteo multipliers

[fierce tide]

Does it work with LQ based on you guys' experience?

[tacit thunder]

ihavent had any issues

[fierce tide]

Thanks! I'll try that one instead then

[tranquil patrol]

@dense timber

And if anyone needs it, I made a visual aid to help with understanding the animation curves
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ynxk6t3mxp

AnimationCurves are what spawn probabilities for enemies and traps work on

[fierce tide]

Wow! What a helper you are! Thanks!

[tranquil patrol]

It's more for me than anyone else, I need the mental stimulation ;(

[fierce tide]

Still you’re amazing!

Is there a way for LQ to show by default what items spawn on what moons with how much rarity like AC did so that I can more easily make adjustments to them? It’s kind of depressing having to add in everything manually for every moon and then take the time to tweak their values and spawn rarity

[tranquil patrol]

The scrap lists should automatically have default scraps in them

[fierce tide]

That’s weird. When I click the scrap box everything needs to be added in manually

I’ll try to look again

[tranquil patrol]

In which preset?

If it's Global it'd be empty, but if you're editing the generated presets they should have the scrap listed

I have only ever used vanilla moons though so if it's something that's only happening on modded moons it might be unavoidable

[fierce tide]

Yes that!

Sorry I didn't make myself clear. But i'll just do it manually.

too many moons for me lol

[urban terrace]

holy shit this is fantastic

[tacit thunder]

if you delete the presets file it should generate with new presets that contain the defaults

[fierce tide]

Oh okay! Thank you!!

[tranquil patrol]

What I do to regenerate default values is I click on the Presets button, the button directly above all of the moon presets, and then rename all of the moon presets to something like "[MOON NAME] Modpack". Then on the right side under "Levels" I'll remove all the references to my presets so it'll just say for example "AssuranceLevel[ ]" instead of "AssuranceLevel[Assurance Modpack]". Then, when you load into a game it should generate new presets for each planet with default values, and it won't remove your already edited presets.

[fierce tide]

That seems like a very cool way to go about this! However I didn't quite understand how you make it work. Would greatly appreciate it if you could explain a bit more.

[fierce tide]

After tweaking the spawn rates of different dungeons, what should i do with the values in lethal config? Should I leave them as they are as LQ will just override them or I should leave them blank so that they don't get in the way of LQ?

[fierce tide]

For example, as you can see here, I have MentalHospital set to these values by default, and on cmd it says it is loading these values instead of the ones in LQ.

[shell bear]

try leave them alone and host a game, type simulate moonname and see if the number/% is correct or not

altho i dont have much experience changing dungeonflow in LQ since i do it manually on each custom interior config, its prob the first thing im gonna do

[silver prism]

basically works the same as spawn weights for enemies so for example if u had the industrial interior at 150 and the mansion at 150 then its fifty fifty or if u had mansion at 50 and industrial at 50 then its also fifty fifty

[fierce tide]

Leaving them alone is exactly what I did. But it seems like after running the game for a few times the chance doesn't match what I put in LQ. Also someone said that terminal simulate doesn't consider LQ. so.

[shell bear]

well i guess if LQ doesnt work u gonna need to use the good ol config for each dungeon

[silver prism]

or use the LLL config but i suggest using the interior config

[shell bear]

LLL config is still a bit messy so just stay with individual interior mod config

[silver prism]

which is why i never touched that thing lol

[shell bear]

ya i know that one. my concern is when theres multiple source of config that do the same thing which one gonna be picked

[silver prism]

i mean im half LQ half interior config since i started using LQ halfway through making my modpack and it seems to work fine

[silver prism]

ill go read up and see what the issue is

[fierce tide]

That's my question too. since LQ doesn't override the spawn rate data, how do I know if the game reads LQ's other data regarding this moon? Does it pick half and half as well? lol

[fierce tide]

wdym by reading up exactly

[silver prism]

reading the chat and i did just that

i can test rn since i do have lethal company open

[fierce tide]

Thank you man! However I don't see how testing would help with the issue. I'll wait for their response tomorrow. A lot of people seem to be really familiar with this mod. I just got it today haha

[silver prism]

wait there is an issue?

i just thought you thought that LQ would conflict with the interiors config

so there is an actual conflict?

[fierce tide]

Yea so that's basically my issue lol. And after running it for a few times it seems like the issue is real. It seems to prioritize config over LQ. I'll try to delete all the values in config and leave them blank and run the game again. If that doesn't work then I'll try doing things your way putting the weights in manually. That'll definitely fix my issue i assume. But thanks anyways!

[silver prism]

ah kk i might do the same then cuz i want no issues lol

[shell bear]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-yes-agree-nod-nodding-gif-17512051

[green narwhal]

i might not understand the full context - what do you want to achieve? (because i might be doing exactly that rn)

also here you can see me anxiously search my mod name constantly lol

if you want to modify weather picking weights, i'll be happy to help you hook into my mod to achieve that

[tranquil patrol]

If the config gives you the option to, remove it from all moons in the config

[fierce tide]

Just set spawn rate to 0?

[tranquil patrol]

No like where it says "Moons list"

[fierce tide]

Oh okay. I'll try that tomorrow!

Been working on this for a whole day today lol

[tranquil patrol]

I can try and give another explanation much later

[fierce tide]

If I wanted some scraps to spawn on all moons, and then some specific scraps to spawn on specific moons, would it be possible to tick the scraps I want for all moons in a global preset and then make it the parent of all moons? And then I just add in whatever extra scraps I want to specific moons?

[dense timber]

I tried doing that but it ended up only spawning the scrap in the global preset

[fierce tide]

Cuz right now with every moon ticked with the scrap option, it's spawning scraps in a pretty weird way. Like certain scraps would spawn for sure but under the scrap options they are actually not at a high rarity.

[fierce tide]

But not specific scraps you added in for each moon specifically?

[dense timber]

Exactly

[fierce tide]

I'm at the 21st json file rn and honestly getting crazy lol

[dense timber]

Dont know if I just did it wrong or thats just how it works

[tranquil patrol]

The parents have no bearing on what options are added to the lists. The global preset lets you change the scraps weights and rarities etc, but not whether or not it spawns (unless you set the rarity to 0)

[fierce tide]

just cant seem to tweak things the way I want maybe im just stupid

[fierce tide]

Wait, what do you mean? I didn't quite get ya

[tranquil patrol]

For the list options, like the enemies list or scrap list or traps list etc, ONLY the options within that list will spawn/be available. The purpose of adding them to the global preset is purely so you can edit values of particular scraps, like if you want to reduce the weight of something across all moons for example.

[fierce tide]

Oh I see. So my understanding is that parent preset only controls the values of certain things and override those values to every moon, but not whether or not certain things exist in any moon, right?

[tranquil patrol]

Yes correct

So if you want a scrap to spawn, you need to make sure it's in the list of scraps on the specific moons you want it in

[fierce tide]

If I have coil head spawn rarity set to 99999 in the parent preset, and coilhead rarity set to 0 in the Experimentation preset, coilhead would still appear 100%. Whereas if I don't have coilhead ticked in the Experimentation preset, coilhead would not spawn.

[fierce tide]

that's what I'm doing rn, but it seems like it's not spawning things the right way.

[tranquil patrol]

If you have coilhead rarity set to 99999 in the parent, and have it set to 0 in Expetimentation, it will be 0 in Experimentation. To have it read the parent value it needs to be unticked in Experimentation

[fierce tide]

You meant *ticked?

[green narwhal]

child value overrides the parent

inheritance

[tranquil patrol]

Coilhead would need to be present in the list of enemies, but the rarity value needs to be unticked

[fierce tide]

Oh ic

[tranquil patrol]

I'm planning on making a tutorial video I think, cause it's so much easier to explain through demonstration

[fierce tide]

I think so too! It would be super nice if you could make a video!

Saves you a lot of time as well. dont have to keep explaining things to newbies like me lol

anyways thank you so much and good night!

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah np, sleep good

[tacit thunder]

the rarities set in LQ should override any rarities set in other configs

[tacit thunder]

lol, i think your mod does exactly what i and most other users want. i was considering adding an option for weather manipulation in the simplest sense, but your mod seems to do it better

[green narwhal]

that's nice to hear 😄 - if you ever need to change/tweak something in my mod lmk

[obtuse vale]

Dose this override advance company

[strong bough]

yep, but only when you tell it to override something

[strong bough]

follow this!

[ionic crag]

how do i use this mod? cant see the config files

[indigo pewter]

@green narwhal is the "results" field of the json file being outputted by the web tool used for anything, or just a representation of what the mod will see? I ask because all the minValue and maxValue values for scraps in the results field are always 0 regardless of how I configure the scrap

[green narwhal]

i literally do not know, i haven't used the mod yet 😓

[indigo pewter]

oh oops, I thought you were the creator for some reason

got my mods mixed up lmao sorry

@tacit thunder is the "results" field of the json file being outputted by the web tool used for anything, or just a representation of what the mod will see? I ask because all the minValue and maxValue values for scraps in the results field are always 0 regardless of how I configure the scrap

and I'm trying to change the scrap values of an item and they seem to just be set to 0 in-game

[tranquil patrol]

For the .json to generate you first need to load into a game. Then, in the config folder you will see a "LethalQuantities" folder, then in that go to "Advanced" and the .json should be there. Then drag the json into the WebGUI to edit it

[indigo pewter]

okay looks like the results field is populated in-game rather than by the web tool. I'll try clearing the results field in my json and see if that fixes anything

[indigo pewter]

okay now it looks like the scrap values are being set correctly in the results field, although it's still coming up 0 in-game

[tranquil patrol]

I'd love to help but I don't really understand what the words you're using refer to

[indigo pewter]

basically I'm trying to change the minValue and maxValue of scrap and it's not working

[tranquil patrol]

Can you send a screenshot of one of the scraps you've changed, and whether it's in a parent preset

[indigo pewter]

on Aquatis I have the gift item enabled, and it is parented to the global preset.
then in Global I have the gift item enabled and the minValue and maxValue changed

[tacit thunder]

yeah, the defaults field is populated by the mod, and the presets field is what you modify. the results field is for future stuff such as simulating scrap or generating csv tables

[indigo pewter]

oh that's interesting

good to know

[tacit thunder]

the gift box value should be set properly? are you saying it's worth 0 credits when you find it?

[indigo pewter]

yes

when I use scan in the ship terminal it says 0, and when I find the gift and scan it, the node says "Value: " (no number)

[tacit thunder]

hmm ok

[indigo pewter]

I have a suspicion it might be something with the gift scrap itself, so I'll also test changing another scrap item

[tacit thunder]

i dont think there's anything in the code that would suggest it not working

can you provide your presets.json?

[indigo pewter]

well I have another mod called BuffedPresents

I want to try a scrap that isnt affected by any other mods

sure

[tacit thunder]

thanks

[indigo pewter]

let me just let lethal load up so you can get the results field populated as well

I'm going to test laser pointer

[tacit thunder]

👍

[tacit thunder]

the preset seems to be loaded in properly:

i think another mod may be changing it

[indigo pewter]

seems to work with laser pointing, although I dont know how its loading in with scrap below 10. I set the min and max to 10 and 30

[tacit thunder]

hmmm

is the scrap multiplier set to 1?

[indigo pewter]

oh, no its not. its set to 0.4

even so it shouldnt reach 0

[tacit thunder]

yeah, that's a bit strange

[indigo pewter]

why is it even 0.4

[tacit thunder]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[indigo pewter]

is 1 supposed to be the default?

[tacit thunder]

no, apparently .4 is the game default

[indigo pewter]

oh gotcha

[tacit thunder]

no clue why it's 0 though, i don't think it's lq causing that

[indigo pewter]

I think it is another mod. I have one that spawns items separately from the loot table and it seems like both the pointer and the gift are in that list

I guess it may be setting their values to 0

[tacit thunder]

yeah that makes sense

[indigo pewter]

or not setting them at all

but I dont know why the gift wouldnt have spawned from LQ on my first test. I set the rarity to 9999%

is there any other variable that affects what items can spawn?

[tacit thunder]

no, there shouldn't be

[indigo pewter]

if I set the rarity in both the moon and the parent (global), which one takes priority

[tacit thunder]

moon

[indigo pewter]

okay, maybe I set it on global instead of the moon

lets try one more time

thanks for your help btw

[tacit thunder]

👍

[indigo pewter]

yeah it's working, I must've changed the rarity in the wrong place

[tacit thunder]

ok thats good

[shell bear]

@tacit thunder if a moon update changed their spawn pool should i reset my LQ setting ?

[tacit thunder]

you can delete the preset for that moon and reopen the file

it'll regenerate the default preset for that moon

[shell bear]

aight ty 👍

[fierce tide]

What should I do in LLL config to make sure that it doesn't fight with LQ?

Do I delete everything and leave them as blank?

[ionic crag]

does dungeon size also applicable to custom interiors?

[tacit thunder]

you can just not enable any options in the LLL config

[tacit thunder]

yes

[azure timber]

where is the presets.json?

[lyric gust]

Im confused on how to change the prices of the moons. Im changing them on global but its still using default values

[azure timber]

i cant see any thing talk about its location

[ionic crag]

C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\r2modmanPlus-local\LethalCompany\profiles\Vanilla\BepInEx\config\LethalQuantities\Advanced

something like that

if u use thunderstore then find it on thunderstore file

[azure timber]

its empty, do i need to start a room to generate it?

[ionic crag]

you need to start the game once

[azure timber]

ok thx

[azure timber]

how do i change the route price of a moon? im confuse on the prices thing

why it can add all moons to a single moon preset?

[fierce tide]

Price means the price required from the preset moon to another moon. So you should edit global preset if you want to tweak the prices of going to different moons.

[azure timber]

so i set all moon price in global and in specific moon just select them through the branches?

[ionic crag]

from what i understand lvl1flow is the facility interior and lvl2flow is the library dungeon. but what does lvl1flow extra large mean? does it ignore the map size multipliers?

[crisp stone]

its titan

[twilit idol]

i really don't understand how this works

i've set all the configs and the json to make a planet cost 0 and when I boot up the game it's not 0

[sharp dagger]

You did download the file back and put it in the folder? . ,. Works fine with me but I only have LQ to change the prices of moons active

which planet isn't 0?

[twilit idol]

i did

multiple times

[twilit idol]

a wesley moon called atlantica

[sharp dagger]

my wesley moons are priced appropriately . ,.

[twilit idol]

welp

idk what to do

[sharp dagger]

lemmie turn em all on so i can show it via. an image

[twilit idol]

these are all the steps i did

[sharp dagger]

That first image

that means the price of Experimentation is 0

if you're on atlantica

[twilit idol]

how do i do it

[sharp dagger]

Go to Global, and put Atlantica in there - and set its price to 0

ensure every moon has its parent as global

[azure timber]

oic, so global means ships in orbit?

[sharp dagger]

no - global is just the parent

[azure timber]

ok

[sharp dagger]

so if every moon has global as the parent

in global you can set the price

and they all follow

[azure timber]

what about if i want to set dungeon flow in each moon? i set them in each moon or in global?

[sharp dagger]

setting them in the moons themselves would make it generate specifically to what you set there

setting it in global will make it do that on every moon with it as parent if you don't have any manual setup

[twilit idol]

like this?

[sharp dagger]

Yus

download the file, put it where it should be

n then when you try to go there, it SHOULD be 0

[twilit idol]

ok

checking now

this is so confusing but thank you very much

[sharp dagger]

You're welcome c:

also- @tacit thunder

https://tenor.com/view/cat-catcry-gif-19131995

I have learned that if you disable moons just so you can bloody load in faster to test things- that removes em off the global list

I have to remake that list of moons and their pricing 🥹

at least the custom settings to the left (the presets) are safe

but that's something to note mentally.

[ionic crag]

guys, does the map size multipliers means dungeon size?

[sharp dagger]

Map size multiplier = Do not put it past 5 unless you really love running inside

5 is ludicrously huge

2.35 is Titan's interior

and I don't even know if I've ever fully explored a Titan

[ionic crag]

i see.. thanks

[twilit idol]

@sharp dagger so did i need to do all this other stuff too?

[sharp dagger]

you can nuke the LLL config and just leave LQ to be the mod to set prices

unless you're using LLL config for other aspects LQ can't touch

[twilit idol]

those weren't lll

[sharp dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-guy-gif-24111092

what config was that . _.

[twilit idol]

that was config files from lq i was manually adjusting

is the json supposed to do it for you

[sharp dagger]

config files from lq...?.... wait that's the other way... isn't it?

[twilit idol]

i have legacy disabled

[sharp dagger]

ah then don't mess with the config there

[twilit idol]

ok so json is supposed to

[sharp dagger]

don't do anythin' within the config editor of R2/thunderstore for LQ - just use the web UI stuff o- o

i mean, I guess I shouldn't say don't do anything

if u wanna use it - use it

but if you use the advanced file thingy - it'll just make the rest of your work moot

[twilit idol]

i just want it to work LOL so im not going to touch them

[sharp dagger]

yus

also- highly advise Dark Reader

no more flashbang >:D

[twilit idol]

i agree!!!

[sharp dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-26077231

[fierce tide]

If you don't set a parent for a preset, does that mean the moon uses vanilla values for things unticked?

[weak hollow]

has anybody else using this managed to figure out how rolling giants spawn in? ive been fighting it for a day or so now and yet to get them to spawn properly, but shockdrones, shyguys, lockers, redwood giants, and harpists all work fine.

[fierce tide]

can you explain exactly how it's not spanwing properly?

[weak hollow]

im not sure how to elaborate on it, seems rather str8forward friend. ive tried filling out the base cfg, which used to work just fine, but ever since i switched to LQ they havent been spawning just flat out, on any moon, inside or outside.

even when i transfer the spawn weights to LQ and can verify theyre correct. is it something related to the daytime spawns im missing?

[fierce tide]

so what ur saying is that its not spawning at all, not not spawning "properly"

heres a mindmap that i found valuable, you can use this to check your stuff

[weak hollow]

now im not following what youre saying, though i do appreciate the diagram. weird to me that the other mob mods seem to cooper8 but my baby boy rolling giants are just absent.

im just assuming its a learning curve with LQ.

[tranquil patrol]

Are you adding them to the enemies list under "daytime"?

[weak hollow]

in global or the specific moons

also do i have to add any weight to the daytime spawns?

[tranquil patrol]

Daytime enemies refers to things that spawn outside during the day, like locusts and manticoils. You need to set them in the intetior enemies

And yes, they do need a set rarity

Not in the global preset, they need to be added to the enemies list of each planet you want it to spawn on

[weak hollow]

ok so i do have that part right. should i just match the daytime spawn weights to the outside ones?

[tranquil patrol]

When you say "daytime" do you mean daytime enemies, or interior enemies?

Afaik the rolling giant is supposed to spawn inside, no?

[weak hollow]

they can spawn outside

by "daytime" i do mean outside daytime enemies, yes

but theyre not spawning for any of the three (daytime outside, outside and inside)

[tranquil patrol]

Are you sure you want them spawning in the daytime outside? Because there's so few other creatures that can spawn outside there's an incredibly high likelyhood of it always spawning super early

[weak hollow]

im asking if that would, in theory, fix the lack of spawns

not that i want to do that

having them spawn at daytime, that is

[tranquil patrol]

Oh, no, it wouldn't make a difference. They need to be added to the enemies lists for each planet you want them on, and they need a spawn weight

[weak hollow]

lemme follow that up with asking; do you know if them having set weights in their base configs (rolling giants actual cfg, not LQ) would interfere with LQ's settings for them at all

because RG's base cfg has individual moon interiors but one large outside weight

[tranquil patrol]

Afaik the configs inform LQ's default values, but if you tick a value in LQ then it will ignore it

[fierce tide]

Oh I found myself having that problem when play testing today. For example I put a coilhead on the list, but it seems to not follow its original spawning logic anymore, cuz it spawned pretty early and randomly when originally they only spawned after a while

[tranquil patrol]

How many other creatures were in the list?

[fierce tide]

Many

The normal ones

Plus some modded ones, with rarities set to reasonable values

Before LQ it wouldn’t be possible for me to enter a door and shortly find a jester, a nutcracker plus a coilhead spawning together

[tranquil patrol]

That's always possible in vanilla, though rare. Could I see your preset file? I can't think of why it would change the spawn logic that much

There are ways you can fine tune the spawning to prevent that but it shouldn't happen regularly anyway

[fierce tide]

Not regularly, but definitely a lot more often than before. Especially on modded moons.

[fierce tide]

I’m in bed rn so I’ll try to send you that tomorrow when I wake up, thank you so much man!

[gloomy elbow]

Question

where do I get the Json file or in which directory would I normally find it

[gloomy elbow]

can you help me out?

[tranquil patrol]

What seems to be the problem

[gloomy elbow]

.

where would I normally find the .Json File Normally

[tranquil patrol]

You find it in BepInEx/config/LethalQuantities/Advanced

But it will only generate once you load into a game

[gloomy elbow]

like in the game?

like playing the game or Main menu

[tranquil patrol]

You have to actually open a save

I don't remember if you need to land on a moon

[shell bear]

just open a save

[gloomy elbow]

gonna reply to this so i can go to Web Ui easier

[tranquil patrol]

It's in the pinned messages

[tacit thunder]

yeah sorry about that, i dont really have any alternative but to make backups

[tacit thunder]

i dont know what's up with the rolling giant tbh, i know that the fiend also has some spawning issues

[tacit thunder]

you need to host/join the game once, but you don't need to land to generate the presets.json file

[weak hollow]

i managed to get it working, i think? its a lil finicky but i have both outside spawns and inside now, so im just gonna hope it holds.

[tacit thunder]

👍

[dense timber]

Does the scrap list auto updates when new scraps are added?

[tranquil patrol]

As long as you load into a save, it should add new scrap to the available pools yes. Although it will only make them available to add, it won't add them to any lists

[dense timber]

For example, Wesley just added a new scrap to one of his moons, will that get added automatically to that moon?

[tranquil patrol]

Added to what, though. The pool of scraps that spawn on the moon, or the pool of scraps available to choose from?

[dense timber]

The pool of scraps that spawn on the moon

[tranquil patrol]

No it won't, unfortunately. If you generate a fresh preset you can see what the default values for the scrap are and copy them onto your main preset though

[fierce tide]

How do you copy the values for a single moon preset to another json file?

[tranquil patrol]

With brain and keyboard lmao

In theory you could do it by copy/pasting things between the actual json files, but they're cumbersom to handle

[fierce tide]

How does that work lol, maybe I’m lacking the brain part

[tranquil patrol]

Just look at the default values that you generated, and copy them into your original preset

[fierce tide]

Cuz rn I only know to replace a json file with another altogether

[fierce tide]

Oh so you mean typing in by hand?

[dense timber]

Open it up in the web ui, look at the value and put it in the other one

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah, there isn't really a way to transfer data between presets other than individual numbers

Although

[fierce tide]

Yea that’s what I’m asking, like how can you do it without having to manually type in everything. Not asking this out of nowhere cuz I see that there is a tab called presets at the very top. I just wonder what that tab does

[fierce tide]

And if it could possibly achieve this

[tranquil patrol]

I don't have access to my PC rn, but if you click on the "Presets" button above the list of moons, and click Copy on one of the options, can you then paste that into a different preset?

[fierce tide]

There we go, that’s what I’m actually asking. Sorry for not clarifying earlier. But When I click copy it just generates a copy of that preset in the current json file

[dense timber]

That button just creates a duplicate

[fierce tide]

And I don’t know how to paste that preset to another json file

[tranquil patrol]

Ahh I see nvm

Yeah I don't think you can

Could potentially be something for Banana to consider, but I imagine it's much harder to make in practice than in concept

[fierce tide]

From my almost nonexistent coding experience, maybe make the action of copying a preset generate a cache file with all the values? And the action of pasting it in to be writing them into the new json? Just saying.

But I can see how the simulator I saw someone in this thread working on is much more important than this copy and paste feature.

The whole workflow can be cut into half with that simulator

[tranquil patrol]

Maybe, idk, that'd be for him to consider. For now the only way to do it outside of figuring out how to do it directly with the json file (which I have tried, it's not worth it) would be to copy things that you want manually

[fierce tide]

Yea man thanks

[pliant elm]

probably has been asked before but is there a way to quickly paste scrap spawn pool from one planet to the other?

[tranquil patrol]

That's almost literally what we were just talking about, and unfortunately not :(

[pliant elm]

ah, apologies its midnight for me xD

[tranquil patrol]

Almost same

[pliant elm]

kinda a shame cuz this mod seems to be the only "solution" to LLL moons not having custom scraps spawning on them

and this mod solves that issue, but I use like 3x large scrap packs and it'd be a hassle to manually assign rarities for 200+ scraps

[sly nymph]

i did this xD

[pliant elm]

oh good lord

[sharp dagger]

if you want to keep the spawn rates the same across the globe

you just need to setup global with the values, rarities, etc

and then on the moons, just manually add the scrap.

Don't gotta touch rarity, values, etc - just gotta add the scrap to the list and it'll take the rest from its parent (global)

although that means no moon will spawn "unique" rates of gold bars, plungers, gnarpy's, you name it

'n the only thing making the spawn rates a tad unique is the lack of or increase of other scrap items in the pool of the moon making it rarer or more common to obtain

[fierce tide]

there can still be unique items and rarity etc, no?

as long as you add them in the specific moon presets

it'll override whatever parent has

[sharp dagger]

Yes

but if you don't manually set rarities under the planet - it'll just follow global

[fierce tide]

yea

this seems to be the best solution for now

[sharp dagger]

tell me about it. I've been staring at this for a while = -='

At least dark mode makes it nice looking

[supple apex]

Appreicate the use of the Web UI. It's awesome and so helpful to be able to personalize everything.

[tacit thunder]

sorry this feature is still on the todo list, and i dont have an eta

[tacit thunder]

unfortuantely you can only copy a preset in the same file, not across different files

the copy paste is not as simple, and im still in the process of figuring out what should be copy pastable, and where(and also other stuff like selecting multiple to copy or something)

[fierce tide]

That’s awesome!

And do you plan to integrate a simulator that I know someone in this thread is making?

[tacit thunder]

maybe, but it's not as high priority

it's a nice to have but there's other stuff that i want to add before that

my current todo list looks somewhat like this(subject to change):

Copy and paste functionality on web UI
Add host config syncing
Preferences for the web UI
Moon difficulty rating and description editing
Default values for empty fields in the web UI
Statistical display of overall generated presets
Weather customization
Per dungeon flow and weather settings
Additional settings
Lights out?

some stuff may get removed or moved around

[azure timber]

what did wesley add? i cant find where has mentioned

[dense timber]

changelog of devastation

[fierce tide]

These are some really awesome features! Can’t wait for the new ver

Especially the per dungeon flow and per difficulty level settings

[tacit thunder]

that is probably also going to come later probably

[fierce tide]

Lol

[tacit thunder]

it's still just an idea

[fierce tide]

It’s all up to you at the end of the day I’m just grateful for your awesome mod

[azure timber]

i hope it can generate a code like "Assurance:1500,Vow:1500,Junic:300,Experimentation:750,March:450,Offense:1000,Asteroid-13:10000,Gloom:300,Atlantica:103,Infernis:330,Egypt:300,Rend:5,Gratar:400,Desolation:1000,Fission-C:400,Polarus:15000,Acidir:0,Dine:7,Oldred:400,Etern:400,Titan:9000,Cosmocos:270" so we can just copy and paste each time we need to update new scrap from a mod instead of typing all things again

[azure timber]

u mean desolation?

[dense timber]

yeah right

[haughty owl]

So im assuming there's no way to make say a gold bar weigh 30000 lbs on every moon apart from changing individially its weight variable to 30000 lbs in every moon's setting, correct?

[fierce tide]

You can make gold bar 30000lbs in the global preset, then select gold bar in every moon preset without ticking the rarity box.

[strong bough]

In global, checkmark scrap list, then add all, then disable all, then change the gold bar to the num

Although actually now I think about it that might not work

Since t maybe overwrites scrap list

[haughty owl]

Global and TestAllEnemies respectively, it doesnt seem to carry over (TestAllEnemies has global as the parent)

[tranquil patrol]

That is correct, though there's no point putting it in TestAllEnemies, unless that's just for demo purposes

[haughty owl]

demo

[sharp dagger]

That is a HEAVY Gold bar

omg

[tranquil patrol]

And make sure they have a rarity set in either the global or the moon preset

[sharp dagger]

picking that bar up will kill the universe

[haughty owl]

they better hope they find it right by the entrance at 8:30 am or they aint leaving with it

[tranquil patrol]

You can game it a bit by picking it up and dropping it behind you, which will move it, but it's still slow af

[haughty owl]

I set the rarity in Global to 10 but it still doesnt seem to carry over

Unless thats not what you meant

[tranquil patrol]

What makes you say it doesn't carry over?

[haughty owl]

the attributes of the Gold Bar in TestAllEnemies still displays the basic values

[azure timber]

@tranquil patrol hi, sorry for tagging, when I enanble the scrap list in a fresh new generated preset, does the scrap generated in that list was A.) things going to spawn in the last game, or B.) things going to spawn on that moon? because I tried to generate a new preset to update my modded preset, and i found some scrap supposed to be key item on that moon has gone from the list

[haughty owl]

It doesnt show as having a rarity of 10 or the weight of 99999999

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah the values don't change in the webui, but it will be reflected ingame

[haughty owl]

ah

aight then O_O

thanks

[tranquil patrol]

Npnp

[haughty owl]

time to go make all the scrap in my modpack weigh a trillion pounds and not tell anyone

[tranquil patrol]

It should populate the default lists with everything properly, are you sure the scrap is definitely supposed to be there?

[azure timber]

thx, i'm asking wesley, becasue i saw ice crystal wasnt in polarus list, but i dont see change log have mentioned remove any scrap from it

[tranquil patrol]

Hm yeah idk how that would work. Could be the case that they're using separate spawning logic for that item. Maybe check the Traps list?

[midnight halo]

Do I have to replace the Presets.json config or can i name the file something else? I wanted to have different configs but i didn't want to have to replace that file
Asking cuz there doesn't appear to be a config or another way to make LQ use a different filename, and I wanted to be confident

it's that or i have no clue how i use lq.. lol

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah the config that will be used has to be called Presets.json as far as I know. But if you want you could store a bunch of different jsons in there with diffetent names and they shouldn't affect anything

[midnight halo]

Alright

i'll just switch out naming for files

[tranquil patrol]

You can also add more spare moon presets in a json. In the webgui, above the list of moon presets, there's a bold text "Presets". If you click that it brings up a list of all the presets in the json and you can copy them and and new ones etc. The only presets that will be used ingame are the ones defined on the right side of that screen

[midnight halo]

oh cool!

oh yea imma be using the presets, thanks for pointing that out

[tranquil patrol]

Np, it's a little hidden cause it just looks like a title lmao

[midnight halo]

yea lmao

[tranquil patrol]

I also think that it's a little confusing how the json itself is known as a preset, but also each individual moon has its own preset, I feel like the terminology could be cleaned up

[midnight halo]

yeah

[tranquil patrol]

I think the json is supposed to be known as a package for presets, and so is labelled Presets, but people end up calling it a preset anyway so it gets confusing

[tacit thunder]

yeah

sorry debby, thanks for helping ppl here

[tranquil patrol]

You're all good, I enjoy a puzzle to solve

[midnight halo]

currently making the wackiest moon presets possible

and they are named accordingly

[tranquil patrol]

Ruhroh

[tacit thunder]

yeah, originally i intended the presets.json to be a container entirely for the presets, but as i continued developing, it made the most sense to put everything in one file(because web upload), but i never renamed it

[midnight halo]

ah

well that makes a lot of sense

laughcry

[tranquil patrol]

I have been curious what would happen there

[midnight halo]

imagine just finding a million different apparatuses just sitting arounid

lmao

[tranquil patrol]

Make it so

[midnight halo]

im gonna make it so you can find boomboxes randomly on rend

[midnight halo]

yea?

[tranquil patrol]

Did I stutter?

[midnight halo]

oh

hmm

yea i'll make it so

[tranquil patrol]

Good. Good.

[haughty owl]

make them also weigh 9999999 pounds each (you can name your modpack "Heavy Company")

also anyone know the difference between Level1Flow and Level1FlowExtraLarge? i assume Level1Flow is factory and Level2Flow is mansion

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah ExtraLarge is just factory but a bit bigger, only used on Titan

[haughty owl]

bigger in terms of room size or dungeon size?

[midnight halo]

perfect

[tranquil patrol]

Dungeon

[haughty owl]

k thx

[tranquil patrol]

Min value 0, max 2, these are some flimsy apparatus'

[midnight halo]

the only things you can find on rend are 0-2 value apparatuses, and they all weigh you down to the max

lol

[tranquil patrol]

That's cruel

This is where the Company sends you when you fail quota

[midnight halo]

LMAO

ong

[haughty owl]

by any chance would you happen to know if that size is inherent to the layout or is it based on the "Factory Size Multiplier"? (i.e. will they have the same size if they both have a multiplier of 1 or will the extra large one still be bigger)

[midnight halo]

fine ill make it so they can be up to 150

so its atleast somewhat fair

[tranquil patrol]

I think ExtraLarge is just bigger base? Like 1x ExtraLarge is bigger than 1x basic factory

[haughty owl]

oki thanks so much

[tranquil patrol]

Idk by how much though

[midnight halo]

LMAO so there's a 6% chance of finding a boombox and if you do you can carry up to 2 apparatus' because it subtracts your weight by -192

i wonder if itll work

[tranquil patrol]

But apparatus is two handed ;(

[midnight halo]

exactly

[tranquil patrol]

Also idk how negative weight works, my intuition says it just clamps it to 0 but I could be pleasantly surprised

[midnight halo]

:)

[tacit thunder]

no clue about the extra large, im assuming that zeekerss wanted a larger interior for titan specifically without changing the map size multiplier

[midnight halo]

me and the boys gonna get lost in this one

there's a 78.02% chance of rend spawning a masked

and the 2nd place is 6% chance of spawning coilheads

[tranquil patrol]

Keep in mind that the larger the map is the more spread out scrap will be, so you might want to consider upping tge amount of scrap, or not lmao

Also it could just murder your game

[midnight halo]

nah its gonna be absoluitely hell

yea i want it to

i love hosting and having my game say "You Fucking Moron !!!!!"

[tranquil patrol]

Well hopefully the ship will actually land lmao

[midnight halo]

actually fine there'll be 37 times more scrap

[tranquil patrol]

Out of interest how good are the specs of you and your friends' PCs

[midnight halo]

friends pcs are pretty erm

not good, but

my pc has rtx 4060 gpu and i7 9700kf cpu

16gb memory

tbh i wish i had more memory but it works so i can't complain

boutta make Herobrine be the most common outside enemy

[tranquil patrol]

I'm fairly sure each individual still has to build the maps using their own CPUs anyway, so it could break for them and not for you

It's your funeral

[midnight halo]

oh damn

[tranquil patrol]

I've seen a bug where one player has a completely different interior to other players, which would only be possible if the game has each player generate the interior

[crisp stone]

thats correct yes

[midnight halo]

alright fine ill lower it to 4 times the map size

[crisp stone]

thats a lot

[midnight halo]

yea but its better than 12

[tranquil patrol]

It took a lot of convincing to bring it down from 12

[midnight halo]

i want to harm my friends computers

alright anyways

i think im done with rend

i already did titan and dine

wait how do i tell the webui to use the presets i jsut made..

ohh

click and drag

[tranquil patrol]

Yep

[midnight halo]

from the list

i see

[tranquil patrol]

You can also just type the name in

[midnight halo]

alrighty time to test

[midnight halo]

it wouldnt let me

[tranquil patrol]

Oh weird, maybe I'm wrong

[strong bough]

Death within the bounds of a box

[tacit thunder]

2 fps with 4x map size (:

[midnight halo]

Cool !!

I also have a 43 times scrap multiplier

Can't wait for that toll

(im gonna crash immediately)

[tacit thunder]

[midnight halo]

im gonna catch it all on camera

[tranquil patrol]

I mean, just send a screenshot, it'll be exactly the same as a video

[midnight halo]

i forgot i need money to go to rend

one second

what

it didnt load the config WAHHH

wait yea why tf doesnt lethal quantities load the config

[tacit thunder]

which config

[midnight halo]

Presets.json

[tacit thunder]

did you save it?

[midnight halo]

yea

its all saved

[tacit thunder]

it should, did you change the preset for the level?

[midnight halo]

yep

[tacit thunder]

can you post your presets.json, and how are you confirming it's not being loaded?

[midnight halo]

the scrap settings i had changed are not applied

there should only be 2 types of scrap and a huge map, but there isnt

[tacit thunder]

can you upload your presets.json file?

[midnight halo]

getting that

preset in the json is called preset-ada17b85393a4

AHH

LMAO

sorry for the nuke

[tacit thunder]

well, it's spawning other scrap because you have it in the list

if you only want it to spawn 2, then remove all the other scrap from the list

[midnight halo]

well thats stinky cuz i thought disabling rarity would remedy it but i guess it just uses the parent's values

alr

[tacit thunder]

yeah you just have to remove it

[midnight halo]

the map didn't seem that big though. There also wasn't the scrap amount multiplier, that's for sure

[tacit thunder]

it might be capped manually somewhat

[midnight halo]

oh

awh

oh yea

max scrap

how did i not notice that

it still didn't work, this is supposed to be only apparatus and boombox

[tacit thunder]

did you remove everything from the list of scrap?

[midnight halo]

yep

[tacit thunder]

hmm

im not quite sure

[tranquil patrol]

Are you definitely on the right planet, and is the preset definitely assigned to that planet

[midnight halo]

yes

yes and yes

[haughty owl]

How does this mod work with LLL out of curioisity? Do i only have to use one?

[tranquil patrol]

Just turn off the LLL config and LQ will work fine

[tranquil patrol]

Idk off the dome, I'm not home so I can't check the preset myself

[midnight halo]

will this affect normal levels?

[tacit thunder]

were there any errors in the config?

[tranquil patrol]

Normal levels?

[midnight halo]

oh yep

[haughty owl]

oki thx

[midnight halo]

just now found em

[tacit thunder]

console*

ok that would explain a bit

[midnight halo]

conversion issue

can i not use decimals

[tacit thunder]

oh yeah

[midnight halo]

😭

[tacit thunder]

rarities can only be whole numbers

[midnight halo]

FUCK

ok

thanks

[tacit thunder]

👍

[midnight halo]

will fix

[tranquil patrol]

I was gonna mention that when I saw the rarity, but I sort of assumed it would get rounded or disable the scrap or smth, rather than crush the preset to a pulp

[midnight halo]

i removed all decimals from rarities

re-opening the game

[tacit thunder]

it's a bit difficult to clean json values for me

[midnight halo]

yeah well its allg

not a big deal

maybe you could prevent people from putting periods in rarity textboxes on the webgui

[tranquil patrol]

There are some values that can be floats, and some that can't

[midnight halo]

that's why i specifically mentioned rarity

[fierce tide]

When do you plan to make the next update?

[tacit thunder]

it's something i tried to do, but javascript isnt so simple

[tacit thunder]

not sure

[midnight halo]

YEP ok it works

LMAO 371004 SCRAP ITEMS TO SPAWN

[tranquil patrol]

Honestly just a tooltip letting people know that integers are needed for particular values could be all you need. Cause it's not a super big deal really, a quick fix

[midnight halo]

yeah

[tacit thunder]

yeah ill probably add that in

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah the scrap amount multiplier multiplies ontop of the minimum and maximum values

And you increased both the multiplier and the minmax

So, chaos

[midnight halo]

ah

that makes sense cuz the max is 9999

my poor pc

oop it crashed

lol

[tranquil patrol]

I would be sending your PC to Area 51 if it didn't

[midnight halo]

lmao

ok i updated the config a little bit

multiplier is now 12 and the max is default for Rend

[tranquil patrol]

Honestly might still be too much, but we'll see

[midnight halo]

im running 60fps

lmao

now 30

still works

OH YM FUCKLIGNG GOD IT WORKS

LMAO

[tranquil patrol]

How many scraps?

[tranquil patrol]

That is a pretty big performance drop, but better than I would have thought. Map size 4?

[midnight halo]

yep

and the shadows really fuck up my frames

13 frames cuz of the shadows

went down to 4

[tranquil patrol]

There's a mod that removes prop shadows I think

[tranquil patrol]

I completely failed to consider the lighting from the apparatus'

[midnight halo]

AYO HOW DID SHY GUY GET IN THERE BRO I DISABLED HIM--

[tranquil patrol]

I think ShyGuy might have his own spawning logic?

[sand saddle]

In my past experiences, Shy Guy will bypass LethalQuantities/LethalEditor, and he does have his own spawning logic I've heard

[tranquil patrol]

I've never used it before, but I assume he has his own config?

[sand saddle]

he does have his own config, maybe setting it to 0 in his own config miiight work with LQ?

[tranquil patrol]

Probably yeah. That would prevent its own spawning logic but I'm pretty sure LQ could still spawn him in

That's how it works with Peepers at least

[tacit thunder]

you cant remove the shy guy

not afaik

[tranquil patrol]

Not even on his own config :(?

[tacit thunder]

that works

[tranquil patrol]

Ah okay

[tacit thunder]

but not with any other mod

[tranquil patrol]

If his rarity is 0 in its own config, would LQ still be able to spawn him?

[tacit thunder]

i dont think so, but im not sure

[tranquil patrol]

Worth giving it a test when I'm home maybe

[midnight halo]

i think a hoarder bug just crashed my game

from trying to say so many voicelines at once

i made it so hoarder bugs say a voiceline every 10-20 milliseconds

and also the lag from making 500 scraps spawn probably didnt help

[jagged oriole]

HUH 500 is an insane number

[tranquil patrol]

10 milliseconds is way overkill, even for the meme

[azure tundra]

Absolutely heroic mod lol
Now to work on some mania like filtering stuff for my needs

Might need to spin up the old mongoDB

[tacit thunder]

👍

idk about mongo 😬

[tranquil patrol]

What program are you using to display the json like this?

[azure tundra]

VS code then shift alt F to autoformat

[tranquil patrol]

Ooh. I'm about to go sicko mode.

[tacit thunder]

you can also view it in the chrome devtools console in the webui

[tranquil patrol]

But I want to stick my fingers into all the digital pies. I want to edit the shit outta that json

[tacit thunder]

oof vscode is ur best bet then

[azure tundra]

Don't do it. I'm experimenting with a chatGPT powered service to do it for me. Will report back.

[azure tundra]

I immediately, in the first request, overran my free processing credits before getting an output xD

[earnest wedge]

A 20k line JSON files is pretty big...

[azure tundra]

I asked the model's permission for a file that big first :p it said that's a lot but sure
plus I told it to only process "items" so that's just 3k lines
I could write some C++ that ordered them by weight in 1 second. But I wanna do a few more things so this might be easier

[fierce tide]

Auto format is sickkkk

[fierce tide]

Well…

[tranquil patrol]

Oh I'm gonna do it, I'm more than ChatGPT could ever be

[rustic kindle]

for some reason in the enemy inside list, not every enemy is appearing for me?

only some of them

ye the walkers notg there

[azure tundra]

Search, is it anywhere else?

Like in hazards. I'm guessing door mimics are hazards not enemies.

[upper sable]

walker spawns in a unique way, they don't use weight

[rustic kindle]

do they spawn on custom moons and such?

cause they still have a weight in the config

with 50

[upper sable]

they should, yeah

hmmmmm

[rustic kindle]

so should I leave it untoched

on LQ

[upper sable]

probably

[strong bough]

I heard LethalLib recently got an update trying to fix this, shy guy rarity, and I think replicator rarity, so that it works the same…? I really don’t think walker has a unique spawning mechanic?

Probably best to ask directly one sec

[tranquil patrol]

Walker doesn't have unique spawn mechanjcs afaik. It just has a rarity in Diversity's config which applies to all moons

[tranquil patrol]

Are they not appearing in the dropdown of available enemies? Like can you not add them yourself?

[tacit thunder]

the walker shows up for me

their scannode on the enemy prefab uses the same enemy file id as the bracken, so that's why it's named like that

[fringe plover]

I don't know if this has been asked before, but how do I set a new price for a moon? I tried adding a price on global, but it didn't change.

[tranquil patrol]

It isn't the price of the moon you're setting, it's the price of travelling TO the moon FROM the moon you're currently orbiting

So you can have EGypt cost 100 if you're orbiting Experimentation, and have it cost 200 if you're orbiting Vow for example

[fringe plover]

Ah, okay. I was hella confused on why there was a setting for each moon.

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah it's all good. Think of it less like it's the price of the moon and more like it's the price of the travel costs to the moon

[fringe plover]

Another thing while I'm here. How does the parent thing work with scrap specifically? The small tip it gives made me a little confused. I want to add modded scrap to every modded moon that doesn't have them, and I'm putting the scrap in global and using it for the parent of each moon. What do I do after that?

[tranquil patrol]

The list of scrap isn't shared from the parent. Each moon will only have scrap that's actually in its own scrap list. So you'll need to add the scrap you want to each moon. You can, however, set the rarity of the scraps in the Global preset and those will apply to every instance of those scraps on the moons

The lists aren't inherited from parents, only the values are inherited

[fringe plover]

Alright, Imma check that rq.

So, does it not update the value when I add it to the list, and it's just the value I set in the parent?

[tranquil patrol]

If the value is unticked, it will inherit from the parent. If it's unticked in the parent, it will be the default value

[fringe plover]

Oh, okay!

That makes a lot more sense, thanks.

[tranquil patrol]

So yeah here Gnarpy would have a rarity of 11 on every moon you add it to, provided the rarity is unticked for it on those moons

The values don't show up in the webui when they're inherited unfortunately, but it will work ingame

[fringe plover]

Awesome. That clears up a lot of confusion.

One more thing. If I set the moon price in LLL will it break anything with LQ?

[tranquil patrol]

I'd recommend not setting anything up in the LLL config when using LQ, they apply changes at different times and it can break things, Idk about moon prices specifically but with other things it definitely breaks

[fringe plover]

I'm trying to make aquatis like a mid-game moon so I wanted the starting price to be 250, but I don't know if enabling configuration with LLL will break the stuff I add in LQ.

[fringe plover]

Alright.

[tranquil patrol]

I think if you set the price in the Global preset it should apply it to every moon, assuming you don't have the price set differently on them. If that doesn't work though you could add every moon to the prices lists of every moon (just press the add all button) and just leave it all unchecked, then they should definitely set the prices from the Global preset

[fringe plover]

So it'll show up as 250 after going to Aquatis from another moon but not when the game starts?

[tranquil patrol]

Well when the game starts you are orbiting Experimentation, so the price of Aquatis should be whatever you set it to be in the Experimentation Prices list

[fringe plover]

Oh, right!

Okay. I'm going to try that rq.

[tranquil patrol]

Oh also if you didn't know, you don't have to restart the whole game to import a new preset file. It loads the preset file every time you change moon so you can put the new presets file in and then change moon and it will update

[fringe plover]

Oh, wow. I'm used to restarting every time I update a config file, lol.

[tranquil patrol]

Yeah it's a recent change Banana made, incredibly useful

[fringe plover]

Aye, it worked. Thanks so much!

[tranquil patrol]

Npnp

[sharp dagger]

I don't know if it's RNG, but 15 days went by and not a single instance of a few custom enemies appeared. From herobrine to diversity's walker

even the shy guy that people stated has their own spawning rules - didn't spawn on both custom and default moons.

dunno how I screwed it up . -.

[tranquil patrol]

Could you send your json?

[sharp dagger]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

So experimentation has all enemies, the default ones all have their rarity's checked

none of the rarities are checked for the custom ones, because the custom enemies should be inputting their own rarities

by default the shy guy should be able to spawn in any moon, but haven't spotted em once

oddly enough- there seemse to be a ludicrous amount of hoarders 'n snare fleas

guess I could do some dev-testing as I gotta revamp some numbers anyways... gonna pump up masked in global to test it on a moon that has masked but no rarity first

[tranquil patrol]

The rarities seem to be checked for all the custom enemies on most moons... But also, they're super rare, and on top of that there's a max power count, so if enough common things spawn they won't be able to spawn because their power is too high. There doesn't seem to be any reason in here that they shouldn't have the possibility of spawning

Centipedes and Hoarding bugs are the most common on Experimentation, so it doesn't seem farfetched that there's a ludicrous amount of them

[sharp dagger]

oh no no - on other moons too

solace had like 5 hoarding 3 snare, atlantica had 4-5 hoardings

We killed off a majority of hoardings and snare fleas so the power level should've freed up for something else