Rosie's Mods (RosiesMoons, CozyOffice)

[buoyant karma]

The transfer of data/licensing of assets is what I'd be concerned about. If someone else steps up that'd be great, but I'd have to think on it

[hushed carbon]

I hear its a problem when the map is under a certain size multiplier

[hybrid fern]

I mean I think what Rosie could do is just add you under her Thunderstore team no?

Then you could just push the updates to her pages directly

[buoyant karma]

Unity Asset EULA stuff is my concern, you're not supposed to just share assets between yourself and others, so I'd need to have access to the same assets that she does

[hybrid fern]

Yeah you could probably ask her what assets she's using and you could buy the same ones if you don't have them already I think only the skyboxes and the trees on Summit are custom? I don't remember if anything on [Redacted] is

[buoyant karma]

Possibly, but if any are paid I don't have any money to spare

[hybrid fern]

Worst case you just replace some of the assets with similar ones, I remember you got your hands on a bunch of custom ones a while back lol

But yeah I get what you mean

[hushed carbon]

if you have a paypal and need payed assets id be willing to assist

thats ofc after you talk with rosie about it

[hushed carbon]

had forgot to mention if a deal goes on between you and rosie just dm me about payment if needed

[buoyant karma]

Will do!

[hybrid fern]

Any updates on if you're gonna be taking on updating her stuff?

🥺

[pseudo thistle]

we havent talked just yet, Im still thinking over the options myself.

Theres a chance I will be returning but not updating as often as I used to.

[hybrid fern]

Yeah I get that

You have a lot of stuff you have to deal with like your health

[pseudo thistle]

I sort of have the motivation right now, but I would need a walkthrough of somekind for the steps of updating the project

[hybrid fern]

Starlancer made a V60 tutorial actually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZSg_R3UTak

Should also have the stuff needed for updating it I'd imagine

[pseudo thistle]

My workspace is still in the old project patcher

Im quite behind

[buoyant karma]

You might be able to update in place with the old patcher, especially since you know how moons work already, but if you want a fresh project with the new patcher you'll have to migrate everything over

[pseudo thistle]

yeah Id need help with that

Whenever you are available

[buoyant karma]

I'm also not able to commit to maintaining another person's project atm, but that's not to say I'm against the idea

[buoyant karma]

Yeah just send me a message whenever you decide to do it :3

[hybrid fern]

perfectly understandable lol

You still need to update your own stuff

[buoyant karma]

Yee, been spending most of the day fixing SEE

[pseudo thistle]

mhm, I dont want to push anything on anyone lol. Im perfectly fine with eventually coming back, I just need to rework a ton of stuff

[buoyant karma]

Samesies, Warehouse is in dire need of a polish

[pseudo thistle]

Sector's interior might be thrown away, and penumbra might be need to be reworked entirely

Plus I need to add custom AI to my enemies

Just so I can get a good hierarchy of what needs fixing

[hybrid fern]

The moons all sort of need it, Affliction throws some Navmesh errors, Eve has lag spikes whenever lightning or anything hits the cave

Summit has some fps dips

Sector's performance gets really bad after a few repeat lands

and navmesh error spams

[pseudo thistle]

general issues are sort of expected for how long its been

[hybrid fern]

The Sector-0 interior has desyncs

Cozy Office still has entrance generation failures sometimes? and spike traps can spawn inside doorways and block them off lol

[pseudo thistle]

spike traps just generally dont play nice for some reason

[stark finch]

I also had a runs of Sector0 interior where a lot of enemies were stuck in corners

Love your moons and interiors though they’re top notch! Would be excited if they got some love

[hybrid fern]

I think Penumbra is actually your only moon that's okay just needs updated to V64 and needs the new enemies and interior added to it

Also destroyable trees

For the Cruiser

[tranquil echo]

Rosie you can use the old patcher fine 🙂

Black Mesa updated fine with the old one

[pseudo thistle]

Hm

Wasnt there new stuff with the new asset ripper stuff?

[tranquil echo]

Back it all up and then give it a shot when you have time 🙂

[hybrid fern]

She could but the new patcher is better from what I've seen people say

[tranquil echo]

Some new options yeah but not that much

I haven't noticed any deficiencies personally

Everything works perfectly so far. I'll eventually also move it all to a new project but I wanted to get my thing updated so did it as usual and worked fine 🙂

[pseudo thistle]

I use a lot of vanilla assets and those like to get broken every time I patch to a newer version

Idk if that was fixed or not in the new asset ripper though lol

[tranquil echo]

Ah yeah I just re-referenced those haha

[hybrid fern]

Oh yeah a big thing now is removing the duplicated vanilla assets and such

That will bring down the sizes of all your moons significantly

[coral notch]

thats not what she meant

[hybrid fern]

Oh I know

I was just bringing it up

Cus she mentioned vanilla assets

[coral notch]

i believe someone posted a tool earlier to help with that, ill try to find it

[pseudo thistle]

lost/changed references suck

thats what id be the most upset about fixing

[tranquil echo]

I'll need it next time I update haha

I ended up I just making a txt file of all things that break so I can be sure to fix them

[coral notch]

lol, i just copy paste everything from vanilla that i reuse into my files and my github has all my assets so patching is seamless

though for some reason prefabs sometimes just lose stuff that was inside them lmao

[tranquil echo]

That's a great idea too haha

[pseudo thistle]

yeah

I need to rework all my git stuff so I can actually centralize the stuff

my project is very disorganized in general

[coral notch]

it can be really annoying to setup, for reference coderebirth's gitignore's everything that isnt a coderebirth asset, it was easier to setup cuz nomnom personally set it up for me back when he made the new patcher for testing lol

[pseudo thistle]

yeahh lol

[ebon timber]

this is the way, makes updating so much easier. the one downside to this is that if a vanilla asset changes, it won't change for your project/scene, but that's either a blessing or a curse depending on how you want it and shouldn't actually matter in 99% of cases

[pseudo thistle]

yeah, Id be down to get into my project in like around 30m to sort everything and update stuff, Id probably need some help if anyone is willing to atm

[hybrid fern]

@buoyant karma

[pseudo thistle]

anyways, I will be back as I need to take a shower real quick lol

[tranquil echo]

Good luck 🙂

[coral notch]

finally found it

scrolled through like 20 pages

https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/utilities/ng-missing-script-recovery-102272

its probably not an all in one solution, so there might still be some problems, but it should help

typically from what i know you make a new unity project, patch that, then move ur stuff over

[tranquil echo]

Thanks Xu! I'll check it out next time I have to patch 😄

[ebon timber]

just fyi this will only handle missing script references, not any missing asset references. still a good tool though

[coral notch]

makes sense

[alpine halo]

@pseudo thistle did you ever check a look at my affliction feedback & suggestions?

[languid bridge]

the only thing Sector-0's interior needs imo is the main trigger door and bustable walls getting fixed. that's just me tho.
general fixes as well, but those are always a given.
Penumbra needs no major changes. it's beautiful. it's challenging. i love it as it is.

[pseudo thistle]

I have but i need to go through it again

[alpine halo]

ya no stress

[lethal bay]

I still use the old and it works fine, just gotta grab the json and then re-patch and give it that json back and things usually work well enough. Few breaks but not too bad. One issue I’ve noticed is new scripts don’t seem to get assigned properly (or maybe they do but then when importing the json they break?). But hey, that’s what the dev-moon channel is for! Moon-making stuff!

The new brings the water over better I think, but LLL can now assign one of the vanilla waters (I think Vow’s) when the scene loads but you use a custom water right? So I don’t know that that’s really a big deal for you.

[fresh venture]

Oh holy shit we might be back

[agile river]

[pseudo thistle]

Maybe lol

[little vale]

If cozy office is still being updated, I was shot by a turret through a wall. I was in a room that had server racks and a broken fence. (or is it more important where the turret was?)

[hybrid fern]

🤭

[bronze echo]

btw are the trees supposed to be half pink or is that a bug?

[ebon timber]

missing texture

[pseudo thistle]

Its a shader that went all weird

Render pipeline stuff id k

[bronze echo]

Also, is there a reason of why the musics and alternate landing areas were removed?

[lethal bay]

I can’t say why music might be gone, but I’m not sure the multiple scene stuff was working properly

[pseudo thistle]

I was going to add a config option but i forgot to lmao

[bronze echo]

I really loved the music honestly

Hope you can add it back in the next update, but no rush obviously

[lethal bay]

I loved the music too

[languid bridge]

miss ya bud. hope yer well

[haughty forge]

alternate landing areas?

[bronze echo]

Yeah Rosie basically made two alternative moons for Affliction and Eve

The one we landed on was random

[haughty forge]

i think that was a broken LLL feature

[atomic crypt]

Would anyone know how to change the terminal keyword to bring up moons? I have 71-Sector0 and Secret Labs both enabled and whenever I type anything starting with "Sec" it defaults to Sector 0

and I have no way (that I know of) to goto secret labs.

[calm bough]

TerminalConflictFix

[atomic crypt]

Thank you

[hushed aspen]

Hello! For some reason when I add Rosie's Moons to my modpack it causes the ship to get stuck on [Waiting to Land...] when leaving the Company Building
At first I assumed it was a conflict between Chameleon and Rosie's Moons but standalone testing revealed nothing. I am not sure what else could be causing this issue so I hope someone would be able to provide insight. Log Output is attached to the message, and here's the code to the modpack if it's necessary: 0191fc40-735e-2a77-f365-3c2b9c5c18bd

[pseudo thistle]

I feel as if heard this before

[agile river]

do you by chance have buyableshotgunshells or buyableshotgun installed? those mods caused that issue for me before. if you do try using buyableshotgunplus instead

[lethal bay]

I know at some point Lethal Level Loader has had issues with the company building, but those have been fixed. I don’t know how these moons could cause this.

The only think I could might be a remote possibility is somehow the custom story log on Gordion as it’s the only thing I think touches the company

[hushed aspen]

Negative

[hushed carbon]

HD company?

[hushed aspen]

No

[stark finch]

lol really? Do you recommend switching to plus I’m guessing even if not hitting any obvious bugs?

[agile river]

i mean its nice to have both the shotgun and shells in just one mod but if you arent having any issues theres not much of a reason to. the only difference ive noticed is that with plus they show up as "Shotgun+" or "Shell+" in game which i guess is because its considered a different item from the regular shotgun, but functions the exact same.

[stark finch]

Thanks!

[frank steppe]

so far the only desync i saw was with the powered drill

just tested it with a friend

he couldn't interact with it once i used it and the wall was still there so he couldn't go further into the facility

[languid bridge]

very well known

Rosie currently on hiatus

[cursive shore]

affliction 59s moon in the sky isnt showing up

[ebon timber]

you need a mod that increases view distance

[cursive shore]

thank you

the trees are also purple

[wraith coral]

what's the distance it should be set to?

[hushed aspen]

Default values work fine, I think?

Vanilla is somewhere around 300 while the default mod value is around 1500 irc

[wraith coral]

i've been using View Extender with default values and I've never seen Affliction's moon

oh yeah mine was set to 1000. i'll try it with 1.5k

[hushed aspen]

Update on that, re-enabled Rosie's Moons on my modpack and it's working again. Not exactly sure what changed between this version of the profile and the current one, but it works... I guess...

[cursive shore]

I got the view extension mod and the planet in the sky started showing up again

[rustic wyvern]

So thats the mod that does this lol

[lethal bay]

What? How? Doesn’t it just let you see things further away? How does it let you see rifts in reality? That moon prefab shouldn’t even be enabled, right?

[cursive shore]

Oh wtf lmao

[rustic wyvern]

I've been looking for the mod that does this, personally I never encountered it but I also dont use view extension cuz its glitchy if its not on the max settings xd

This was from a player that experienced it twice on my moon in like 2 months

[haughty forge]

viewextension is entirely glitchy, it doesn't even work if you haven't reconfigured it ingame during a session

[alpine halo]

some mod is fucking with it

cuz it should be disabled when your on the moon

[alpine halo]

no

@sharp thistle please don't ask moon devs this

😭

[sharp thistle]

okay

😦

[viscid pier]

How do i get on the Gordion moon? I can't find it in my moon list

[bronze echo]

It's hidden

Just type the name of the moon to route to it

[lethal bay]

Like the other person mentioned, it’s hidden but you can always route to it with the proper money. You’re supposed to find a story log that hints at its existence.

[neat mauve]

hey just curious if this mod still morks with the new update or if it became broken?

[pseudo thistle]

no clue, my life has been pretty busy lately so I havent been able to check or update it at all

[hushed aspen]

Works on my end, chief

[agile river]

besides a few small quirks they work fine, youll just need the CompanyCruiserFix mod for the dropship since the moons havent been updated

[torpid veldt]

Waking this thread up to show how pretty Affliction looks with ReShade

[dawn palm]

damn whaat

that's beautiful

[lethal bay]

Wow, that does look nice

[torpid veldt]

I’ll get some more later

[lethal bay]

I’d like to see Eve if you’re getting more anyway. Always found it to be pretty.

[torpid veldt]

That was my next target

[torpid veldt]

🫡

[torpid veldt]

Game overlay got me and i got photobombed, might retake later but here ya go lmao

im absolutely retaking this

[hushed aspen]

Holy smokes!! That's some insane stuff right there

I wonder how the rest of your game looks like with that...

[torpid veldt]

very good actually

brackens are terrifyin

eye glow goes crazy

imma try getting some pictures of entities at some point

[eternal shoal]

I noticed everything looks polished and hd in the mod preview images. Is there an option to make it vanilla? ty

[haughty forge]

it uses the vanilla shaders ingame

the images are probably taken from the unity editor

[stark finch]

The moons still all work fine, the interiors have some bugs

The moons have a few bugs too but nothing I ever really notice

The interior bugs aren’t that bad, but I’ve definitely gotten shot by a turret through a wall in both

[hybrid fern]

The moons do not all still work fine

[stark finch]

Really what issues have you seen?

[hybrid fern]

There's quite a bit of lag issues on half of the moons including navmesh error spam

Eve is really bad about lag if you're in the cave or if meteor showers or anything happens that hits the cave

[stark finch]

Ahh damn I guess I didn’t notice that since I was still holding solid frames

[hybrid fern]

Sector-0 is the worst with lag

[stark finch]

Hmmm ok maybe I’ll take these out of my pack

Appreciate it

[hybrid fern]

I really hope Rosie returns soon to finally update and optimize these moons

I miss them

[stark finch]

Yeah that’s why I was still using them they’re all so top tier

[languid bridge]

if Zeekerss actually does stay dormant on LC for a while, then updates for these moons will indeed be more worthwhile

[hushed carbon]

for as tolerant of issues as I am yeah these need a lot of patches

sector 0 hasnt had many lag issues for me but the other 2 have a good amount

[hybrid fern]

Sector-0 just explodes after you do repeat games on it

[languid bridge]

... 2?
cough 4 cough

[hybrid fern]

the first game won't be so bad, but the 2nd and 3rd days will be horrid

[hushed carbon]

stange havent seen that will test and if so Ill remove the mod

im ok with mods having issues

but that sounds horrid

[hybrid fern]

I have, and when I checked my log it was spamming navmesh errors

[hushed carbon]

seems legit just gonna go see it for myself

[hushed aspen]

Neither have I

[hushed aspen]

I say you can still keep playing these mighty fine moons since you're not experiencing major issues

[sand kite]

I was told that this Sector-0 interior has a colored Apparatus. Is that true?

[hushed aspen]

Correct, it is red
It's also called a "Nucleus" iirc

[haughty forge]

don't use sector-0, it's severely outdated

[sand kite]

What kind of errors come with it being outdated?

[haughty forge]

TONS of desync and probably lots of things being outdated and not having newer stuff

[sand kite]

That last part doesn't help but ok... Desync is the most of my worries. My controls lock up when that happens.

Then I gotta guess what is happening in my friend's reality while I am experiencing my own separate reality.

A fun game of Quantum Mechanics

[dawn palm]

the desync in question is also related to the apparatus, sadly

[sand kite]

As an Apparatus Hunter, this grieves me greatly to hear.

[sleek charm]

I haven't had any desync issues with it at all besides the starting door being open for people besides the host, and the drill being per-person instead of global.
Besides that, stuff like taking the apparatus, wall turrets, monster spawns, collision, and regular door functionality has been fine and it's not really caused any significant issues at all.
I've had more issues with old Interiors like scoopys than this one.

Though I do admittedly miss the older version of this interior with stuff like the red catwalks.

[pseudo thistle]

I likely will be coming back to this but something severe happened and it'll take me a bit to recover from it fully so I don't want to delve into this again but I may work on it every-so often

[lethal bay]

I hope everything is ok and wish you a good recovery. It would be great to see you back but obviously recovery’s more important than this stuff.

[rustic wyvern]

Sad to hear! I hope everything is gonna turn out fine!

[pine heath]

You know when you were thinking of other gimmicks that isn’t an apperatus?

I was thinking of making a room, where you left with a boss rush room, and if u kill the enemies, u are rewarded with high level scrap

[dawn palm]

that sounds like a noble idea

probably should be able to kill the enemies with something in the environment too to prevent you from getting softlocked in there

[pine heath]

Ima do it so you interact with button, then it iniates it

[vast mirage]

like, button pressed, closes and locks the doors.. and enemies spawn from vents? 😛 then when all dead, doors re-open?

[pine heath]

Yea kinda like Zelda mini bosses if you ever played that

[vast mirage]

yeah i get you.

[novel flower]

and then the Employees go "WE ARE the Lethal Company."

[pseudo thistle]

I wonder

environmental enemies are cool, but what about environmental bosses

idk im not that talented but it seems interesting

[celest imp]

is there a way to decrease the difficulty of this moon or is there a version i can download that makes it less dangerous?
it should be a dangerous moon don't get me wrong, but sector0 is insane, it feels like it might have been made for morecompany in mind but me and my two other friends can barely get any headway into this moon

its a shame because its really fuckin cool, love the interior and the exterior, but even with wesleys moons and a couple of tolians moons downloaded this is still far and away the most dangerous moon we have in the pack

[spark burrow]

You're able to adjust what enemies can spawn and their chances through mods/methods such as these:

• Editing the parameters for Sector0 (Moon) in the Lethal Level Loader config

• Using other mods such as LethalQuantities (I use this a ton so I can vouch for it), Central Config, or some others out there that allow you to edit per-moon parameters

[elder pulsar]

managed to get the moon back, but there's another skybox overlaying it, any ideas how to get rid of it?

[haughty forge]

that might just be affliction's regular skybox

[elder pulsar]

I was looking at the one on the website, the ring around the planet is a lot clearer

[lethal bay]

It might have been changed over time and the images aren’t up to date. I think it also used to use a view distance increase mod but not sure if it’s still used and/or if it still works.

[elder pulsar]

aye thanks for the info, appreciate it

[pseudo thistle]

hm I probably could do some custom skyboxing to make the moon actually appear behind the atmosphere/clouds

Idk how id do that though, maybe just put it in the skybox itself rather than have it as an obj

[heavy ruin]

is rosie's moons fixed as well as the interior having bad dysnc?

Idk if it has dsync, I heard it a long time ago

[languid bridge]

Rosie aint back from hiatus, so...

[heavy ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/whyyy-emote-gif-27063289

[languid bridge]

yea i miss em, too. dont want em prioritizing unpaid mod making over irl stuff tho

[heavy ruin]

is the interior the only problem though? I think the moons still work from my understanding

[pseudo thistle]

Im not sure

Ill do another round of looking at it and trying to fix things, but itll take a bit, I just have nothing else to do atm

[heavy ruin]

Oh my bad, Thank you though! Just a few months ago, I heard something about the interior that is related to sector 0 had bad dsyncs in multiplayer. It's been months and just now returning to lethal. Again thanks for keeping it in mind!

[hushed carbon]

not terrible desnyc but visuall kinda annoying

[hybrid fern]

She's slowly returning I got word from her during one of my recent streams

Just give her time and patience

[languid bridge]

already am

[pseudo thistle]

okay, working on sector-0 now, likely will have to fix a ton of broken stuff so thatll be fun

[hybrid fern]

I'm looking forward to seeing your interiors return tbh, I've missed them 🙂 any plans on what to do about spike traps blocking doorways in Cozy Office?

[kind hornet]

deal with it

[pseudo thistle]

lmao

Idk when Ill be getting to the interiors

[hybrid fern]

She can probably blacklist spike traps spawning in it if need be

[hybrid fern]

Ah so you meant you were starting on the moon 🔥

I know Lyra will be happy 😆

[pseudo thistle]

loll

Once I get them done ofc

[hybrid fern]

Ye :3

[pseudo thistle]

got some stuff done

[languid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dropped-this-king-you-dropped-this-queen-you-dropped-this-you-dropped-this-king-meme-you-dropped-this-meme-gif-25206668

[agile river]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-homelander-the-boys-homelander-sad-homelander-its-peak-homelander-peak-gif-14542009839452529163

[sand kite]

She knows de way

[odd sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-3851471549750385303

[spice jetty]

Hello there 👋 New to modding, not sure if this is the place but I've installed CozyOffice interior but I can't seem to make it spawn

I've put Dungeon Injection Settings - Dynamic Level Tags List: Vanilla:9999,Custom:150
in LethalLevelLoader.cfg To try to force it but to no avail. Any idea ?
The only other interior I have is LC Office, could their be some conflict ?

[spice jetty]

Nvm didn't saw that I needed to set use custom config to true even through it was obvious

[pseudo thistle]

cozy office might be pretty broken atm im not sure though

[spice jetty]

noted I will test it a bit

[hushed carbon]

from testing its mostly fine

besides the fire exit blocking

[pseudo thistle]

Got it

[hushed carbon]

tho there may be under the hood issue I am missing

[pseudo thistle]

I’m not aure what the fire exit issue is

iirc i tried fixing on multiple occasions

[hushed carbon]

tbh maybe its the interior gimmick now XD

[lethal bay]

I can't remember if the dev-interiors channel was around last time you were working on your interiors but you could check there and see if anyone knows how to fix the fire exit blocking thing.

[heavy ruin]

what does this mean? something wrong with it?

[hushed carbon]

sometimes the fire exit can be blocked meaning you cant enter ir

[heavy ruin]

why blocked?

[hushed carbon]

why not lol XD

idk im not a programer

that just the message that comes up

saying its blocked

when you try and enter

[heavy ruin]

a message? is it not programmed to do that then?

[pseudo thistle]

The interior generates exits which arent the right number of exits on the outside

[heavy ruin]

oh well that's fine then right?

[pseudo thistle]

not really, because in this case it does generate them just not in the right way

thats the part I cant figure out

[heavy ruin]

does the correct fire exits still spawn though? the ones i can go in and out of?

[pseudo thistle]

no, thats the issue

fire exits are broken at least 10 percent of the time from my experience

[heavy ruin]

ohhhhhh

well I wish you luck. I hope you find the cause, pesky evil fire exits

https://tenor.com/view/liar-liar-exit-kick-door-im-out-gif-22289336

[heavy ruin]

Does anyone possibly know what was wrong with the sector-0 interior and possibly could tell me what the secret 5th moon is in rosie's moons. People said dysnc was the issue with the interior, but like what exactly?

[calm bough]

sector0 main door is not spawning, drill works on the local player but is not synced and various other stuff

[marble rivet]

||penumbra|| is the secret moon

[heavy ruin]

thank you

[heavy ruin]

thank you

[marble rivet]

anytime

[marble rivet]

watch out though, it kinda sucks

[heavy ruin]

how?

[marble rivet]

||it costs 2000 credits to land there, an infinite amount of monsters spawn, and the map is really big||

[heavy ruin]

Oof okay.

[marble rivet]

Where can I find every new story log

[spark burrow]

Only one I semi-remember is Summit and that's this (may be misremembering but that was a spot of note):
||Before you make the climb up the mountain, there's a warehouse with a fire exit, inside there's an Old Bird with the UK Flag painted on it||

[lethal bay]

The UK is canon in Rosie's moons!? The lore!

[heavy ruin]

how am I supposed to get the red or yellow apparatuses in sector 0

ughhhh

[marble rivet]

Are there any other story logs, I know a few of them are on vanilla moons

[pseudo thistle]

I wouldn’t worry about story logs because im probably going to do some changing to them

But i believe each of my moons has one

[heavy ruin]

anybody know how I'm supposed to pull the apparatuses at sector 0

[pseudo thistle]

They may not work anymore

I’d suggest not using the interior as it is super broken

[heavy ruin]

Oh okay

[sand kite]

As an Apparatus Hunter, I'd like to know if there's any planned fix on that interior.

[heavy ruin]

Just curios, could you name all the apparatices you know of currently? So I can see if I"m missing something

[sand kite]

Starlancer Warehouse: Blue
Liminal Pools: Teal
Wesley's Toy Store: Pink
Wesley's Grand Armory: Green
Synthesis Moon: Dark Orange
LCOffice Elevator: Red

All of the following use Default color:
Facility
Generic Storehouse
Pool Rooms
LC Office (not elevator)
Cozy Office
One of the Unreal interiors

There's likely more but I probly don't have them installed

[heavy ruin]

There is supposedly a cosmic apparatus: purple on cosmocos though I haven't seen a picture of it and haven't found it yet

And oobleterra has an apparatus but it's thicker, doesn't shine as bright, and you put it into something in the interior for a bigger reward I think

Zen interior has a xen crystal as an apparatus

black mesa has a unique orange crystal

[sand kite]

I feel like I've heard of this one but I' need confirmation first.

[heavy ruin]

cozyoffice has a computer as an apparatus

rubber rooms has a golden rat statue as an apparatus I think

I think I'm missing one more. I'll put it here if I remember it

[sand kite]

I think I came across a large server room in Cozy Office that had a regular app

[heavy ruin]

Idk which one it is, it's an office interior. It might have an apparatus as well but it the computer counts as one. With lethal meltdown, the computer's price becomes 240 like all apparatuses

[sand kite]

Scarlet Devil Mansion has a cursed painting

[heavy ruin]

Oh yeah, forgot about that one

[sand kite]

Black Mesa and Xen have a couple of their own

[heavy ruin]

Yeah, they got the crystals

[hushed carbon]

oobleterra has a special one as well

[granite abyss]

It's real

[stark finch]

Coward hasn’t gotten the Rataratus

[heavy ruin]

Traitor. Wait, is the rubber room's app actually called the rataratus? XD

[stark finch]

It is yeah, have one sitting on my ship on my current save lol

[heavy ruin]

Oh okay. Btw, does rosie'smoons work? The interior is buggy but are the moons fine atm?

And if they are, should I do all seperately or install the rosie'smoons. Whichever works better or recommended idk

[little pewter]

The moons are fine but needs optimizations and reduced file size

[heavy ruin]

What about penumbra?

Is that moon worth it?

Heard it's wild

[little pewter]

Penumbra might get a rework soon from what I've heard

[heavy ruin]

Is it a bad moon?

[marble rivet]

It's awful

[heavy ruin]

how so?

[languid bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-fish-this-is-bait-gif-11212449

[marble rivet]

Its ALWAYS eclipsed, so have fun with the wasps

[marble rivet]

ok

I mean, awful is a strong word

Flawed, is more like it

[heavy ruin]

Like does it have the highest scrap value of all modded moons?

[marble rivet]

yeah

[heavy ruin]

It does? Do you know how much?

[marble rivet]

but the entrance is really far away

[marble rivet]

ill let you know tommorow

and monsters are everywhere

[heavy ruin]

thank you

[pseudo thistle]

||607 Tunere
Description -
Moon Name: 607 Tunere
Population: Deceased.
Conditions: Large tundras, constant storms of snow.
Fauna: Only thriving life is inside the facilities that are embedded in the snow.
History: What previously was thought of to be a hotspot of geothermal activity slowly died out as machine activity iced the core. Tunere rotates in such a way where one face consistently faces the sun, as such the landing area is locked in a twilight. ||

[heavy ruin]

Tunere? Thought it was Penumbra

[pseudo thistle]

It’s a new moon

Coming soon

[heavy ruin]

Wait, nvm. What is Tunere

Oh

[lethal bay]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-meme-memes-gif-12941282736857313833

[languid bridge]

friend, it will be a pleasure making an icon for you again

[heavy ruin]

Are Rosie's moons and the sector 0 interior still being worked on?

[languid bridge]

moons mostly.

interiors are (understandably) a lot harder to work on

[pseudo thistle]

idk if hard, but probably the most tedious activity to do

And I want to rerework the sector-0 interior

[languid bridge]

i do kind of miss V1's aesthetic, but V2 had some positives, too

the foreboding darkness, red fog, and eerie labs in V1 were phenomenal. V2's wall turrets, vaulted doors, ship hangars, and mini apparatuses were excellent additions. at the core of them both, an enormous red nucleus apparatus that made looting the place all the more worthwhile

[lethal bay]

Is that light on the side of the building another troll outside apparatus?

[languid bridge]

mini appy

[pseudo thistle]

I like to call it decorational apparatus but yes lol

[lethal bay]

perfect

[languid bridge]

can it be looted? o3o

[heavy ruin]

V1 was awesome fr

[pseudo thistle]

no, If they were able to be looted Id have it be 15 each because there will be a few on the map and its an early game moon

[languid bridge]

i can do 15 kk

im just a loot goblin XD

[heavy ruin]

I BEG to let us loot them. They so small 😭 😂

[languid bridge]

anyways

preview looks lovely

[pseudo thistle]

they are normal sized but the lung bit is smaller

[languid bridge]

do with em what you will. just happy to see you tinkerin again

[lethal bay]

pulling them causes your game to crash

[pseudo thistle]

Lmao

I could do that, breaking things is easy

[granite abyss]

I love crasharatus

[languid bridge]

they take 10 seconds to pry and pulling em explodes the player pulling it. tradeoff is theyre the full 80

no damage calculation, just "explode = kill"

[lethal bay]

I will sacrifice the interns for profit

[lethal bay]

You know, I wonder if there would be a way to have an item (not necessarily these) be "unstable". The longer you hold it the more unstable it gets and eventually explodes, so you have to put it down every so often. Kind of like lighting striking conductive scrap, but not exactly.

[languid bridge]

similar concept in UsualScrap

Explosive Tank. picking it up starts a timer. dropping it on the ship cancels the timer entirely

[heavy ruin]

What if the inside didn't have much loot but the outside is riddled with those small apparatuses that could be collectible? Would require both outside and inside to get the most and would be unique being as you have a reason to explore the moon

[lethal bay]

Ah. Interesting.

[odd sapphire]

hypehypehypehypehype

[marble rivet]

I got an average of about 9300

[haughty forge]

is this that 290 summit or whatever

[heavy ruin]

do they cause lag when your on or just all the time even when not on the moon?

[pseudo thistle]

new moon

definitely looks similar

[haughty forge]

ah of course

291 summit

[heavy ruin]

That the interior or the moon?

[balmy blade]

||penumbra|| reincarnated

(real)

[odd sapphire]

Looks so good. Can’t wait!

[pseudo thistle]

this will happen eventually with the ||Anomaly Saga||

[balmy blade]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-banban-found-media-horrorskunx-bfdi-mouth-gif-8955293988641370511

this is quite banbanwesome!

im so sorry

[pseudo thistle]

lmao

[haughty forge]

i do believe this is a fire exit

[languid bridge]

yep, only a fire exit

[lethal bay]

Upon my review of the image, I also agree this is a fire exit

[pseudo thistle]

mhm, only a fire exit

[pseudo thistle]

making affliction more vanilla now

[lethal bay]

In what ways? Curious because I did like Affliction last time I used it.

[pseudo thistle]

making the foilage more inline with vanilla

trees mainly

plus Terramesh is nice

[lethal bay]

Ah, ok. Don't even really remember the trees.

[pseudo thistle]

ah and the pipes will be vanilla ones

[mental moat]

yay

[haughty forge]

i wonder what it'd look like with the assurance/offense or experimentation terrain

[pseudo thistle]

it has experimentation terrain, just the fog messes with it

[haughty forge]

on closer inspection it does!

[lethal bay]

That looks pretty cool!

[timber warren]

Didn't some lights exist on that big wall before? I think they looked pretty good, they used the model from the company moon if I remember correctly.

[pseudo thistle]

They werent there when I opened the scene

but I can add them yeah

[timber warren]

I think they were there before the latest update that added the rings and the new trees, but it was a while ago, lol, I may be mistaken

[odd sapphire]

It looks so good Rosie omfg

I love the leafless trees too, really brings out the “this planet is abandoned, infested with bugs, and had a large kaboom” vibe

[pseudo thistle]

yepp

The story around affliction has changed a tiny bit though

kaboom is lessened, its more ||Ichor's|| radiation

[odd sapphire]

I’m like ecstatic to see the lore you cook up, I love what you wrote already so I can’t wait to see the overhaul

[pseudo thistle]

mhmm

[odd sapphire]

Sometimes I accidentally mix it up with base game lore bc it’s so good

[pseudo thistle]

Im just having trouble grouping the moons, right now its ||Tunere||, Affliction, ||Ichor||, and Sector-0

[odd sapphire]

What about ||Eve and Summit?||

[pseudo thistle]

Will be their in their own sagas

[odd sapphire]

Oooh

[pseudo thistle]

For Penumbra's, there is another one which will be called ||93 Untitled||

[odd sapphire]

I’m a big fan of ||Summit||, iirc it was the first moon (or at least one of the first) to do a whole ||indoors/outdoors exterior|| in that way

[pseudo thistle]

very fair

[odd sapphire]

My fav is def Sector 0 though

[pseudo thistle]

I put Summit in the ||Raven Saga|| Or at least thats the current name

[odd sapphire]

Since there’s no actual end to the game rn it works perfectly for it

[pseudo thistle]

Yeah, The sagas are supposed to be their own storyline/pathways to endings

The Idea first popped up after I realized Sector-0 and Penumbra were both endgame moons but how would they interact on a story basis, so I just decided to separate the stories

[odd sapphire]

Ahh, so you’ll have Sector-0 be like the “endgame” and Penumbra be like “alternate ending”?

[pseudo thistle]

There will be one for summit and maybe eve too

depending if I tie eve and summit together in some way

[odd sapphire]

Cool!

[pseudo thistle]

yup!

[odd sapphire]

So basically each saga will almost act as its own expansion?

[pseudo thistle]

Exactly

And I will likely make them their own mods, being able to configure if each moon is loaded or not

[odd sapphire]

I’d say just try to not put too much pressure on yourself while working on ‘em though

Sounds like it’s quite the undertaking

[pseudo thistle]

Ive been taking regular breaks

[odd sapphire]

Although for a lot of it you do have a bunch of stuff to work off of

I’ve been playing so much lethal lately that I’m worried about burning myself out on it lmao

Hit 48 hours in the past two weeks last night <.<

tbf those also include two long event streams I partook in

[pseudo thistle]

wow

yeah

I havent played lethal in forever

[sudden holly]

modders don't play the game this is known

[pseudo thistle]

Some play more commonly

The deeper into the modding scene, the less you play though lol

[sudden holly]

too busy making things for others to enjoy to have time to enjoy things others make

like a forever DM for tabletop...

[pseudo thistle]

lol, yeah

[tranquil echo]

It's true

[lethal bay]

It's so true! I haven't really just played the game in a long time. Just getting my friend group's schedules to align + we play other games sometimes when we are available just keeps pushing it back lol. I have not seen the indoor fog, enemy rush stuff, whatever's been in these last few smaller updates still. Technically haven't played with the meteor shower either yet (it happened once when I was testing one of my moons though, which was like the 1 time I didn't want it).

[amber chasm]

is it normal for sector0 to not show up in the moons page?

[pseudo thistle]

yes

[amber chasm]

oh, what do i have to do to unlock it?

[pseudo thistle]

nothing, its just like how artifice is not shown on the moon list

you can still go to it normally

[amber chasm]

so it's supposed to be secret locations that the company does not want you to go to?

[pseudo thistle]

mhm

[amber chasm]

that's very cool, thank you for the cool maps!

[pseudo thistle]

Ofc, more are coming but expect the RosiesMoons package to likely be deprecated

[amber chasm]

ok, might as well start adding the maps individually then lol

[pseudo thistle]

They will be bundled in Saga packages

Maybe a week or two from now the Gordion Saga will be completed

[amber chasm]

that's nice, do you have any other future projects in mind after the gordion saga is finished?

[pseudo thistle]

yeah, two more

or three, depends

[lethal bay]

Instead of deprecating the RosiesMoons pack you could gut it and make the sagas dependencies. That way anyone who still has it but doesn't know you're changing the style of how your moons are distributed ends up still getting them. Plus, I imagine I'd grab all of them anyway so the one click to download them all could be handy.

[pseudo thistle]

true

Ill do that instead

[amber chasm]

so.. is it worth to still have the RosiesMoons pack still installed?

[pseudo thistle]

essentially yes

[amber chasm]

nice

[heavy ruin]

is the pack or the moons seperately the better choice?

or more recommended

[pseudo thistle]

they function the same, some people just like it centralized thats why I made a pack

[heavy ruin]

but the pack adds a glitched interior and penumbra?

[pseudo thistle]

oh yeah

penumbra is in the pack

thats all

the interiors are separate from the rosiesmoons pack

[heavy ruin]

ohhhhhhhhh okok. thanks

[amber chasm]

found one minor bug, whenever I try to select the "Secret Labs" moon it auto selects 71 Sector-0

[pseudo thistle]

theres a fix for that

its just weird syntax

Idk the exact mod but there is one which fixes the terminal conflicts

[amber chasm]

aight, thanks for the heads up

found the mod, it's called "TerminalConflictFix"

i was not expecting it to be this obvious lol

[sudden holly]

do secret-labs iirc

[marble rivet]

Ok so, I found every single custom data chip except for one, can anyone help me where to find the last one?

[pseudo thistle]

have you gotten the one on summit?

[marble rivet]

yeah

should I just give you a list of what I have

[pseudo thistle]

oh I mean the second one on summit

[marble rivet]

no

where can I find it

[pseudo thistle]

only on eclipsed summit where the cabin is usually

[marble rivet]

ok

the cabin?

[haughty forge]

affliction has a changelog for sector-0 for some reason

[marble rivet]

I actually tried for 30 times to get an eclipsed summit, can someone just send me what the data chip says

[pseudo thistle]

Its super short let me look at the file

the story is bound to change btw, but I get story log hunting

[marble rivet]

I genuinely spent six hours of my life searching for every log

[pseudo thistle]

oh my lol

[marble rivet]

kill me

[pseudo thistle]

fairly sure the last one you were missing was simply

||```Uncover what eluded even the Company's gaze.

Find Us.```||

[marble rivet]

thats it

[pseudo thistle]

I sincerely apologize lol

[marble rivet]

I wasted 6 fucking hours of my life for two messages

Also, which data chip tells about ||penumbra||

[pseudo thistle]

essentially that one

doesnt mention by name but inside the cabin is the writing on the wall I believe

[marble rivet]

I see

After all these years, finally I have them all

[heavy ruin]

Is penumbra the hardest modded moon?

[pseudo thistle]

no clue

[heavy ruin]

everyone says how it is always eclisped and how enemies are everywhere

[pseudo thistle]

Its really over the top, I will make it less hard when I revamp it

[heavy ruin]

Could you tell me it's danger level?

Like S+, S++, S+++, ASDF idk lol

[pseudo thistle]

probably S+++

Every enemy has almost an equal chance to spawn

[heavy ruin]

Danggg. That sounds hardcore fr. so far we have S+++, ???, and ERROR as the hardest difficulty moons in modded lethal

[pseudo thistle]

Penumbra is technically ??? difficulty

[marble rivet]

Also scrap is quite low for being such a chaotic moon

[pseudo thistle]

Yeah, in the future itll probably be all expensive items

[heavy ruin]

sector 0 is S+++ tho right?

[pseudo thistle]

Right now it basically embrion if it was 1000% worse

[pseudo thistle]

yep

[heavy ruin]

it's really cool on starlancerzero moon, if it is in the terminal and you have difficulties beside the moon, it's difficulty letters are just like 4 random letters

Like unique difficulty moons in LC always slap haha

[pseudo thistle]

agreed

[heavy ruin]

any chance does anybody know another difficutly? All is know is S+++, ???, and ERROR

[pseudo thistle]

There are probably some others, idk of any though

[dusky wigeon]

Here are all the difficulties I know (Including modded. There might be more but I don't know all of it so..)

D, C, C+, B, B+, A-, A, A+, S, S+, S++, S+++, ???, SS,

[haughty forge]

there's also Safe, which is only on the company building

[sand kite]

Scarlet Devil Mansion has an extra funny difficulty

□ v □

[tranquil echo]

There can technically be infinite "difficulty levels"

since they are just text data

doesn't actually change difficulty at all 😛

I could make a POOP difficulty

[heavy ruin]

I know that! It's just unique ones people have made atm

Lmao

I'd like someone to make a D-

And it be insanely weird or something idk

[tranquil echo]

just wanted to make sure haha I saw another person before think they actually set values depending on the name 👀

[tranquil echo]

it'll be a college campus

the scary letter grade difficulty

[heavy ruin]

Ahhh, PERFECT lol

I'm not seeing the planet on affliction. the one in the sky, I don't see it?

[lethal bay]

I’ve made an S^2 one. That can also go on the list. I like the different ways how people have gone above Titan.

[lavish quiver]

Just to be clear I really adore Affliction but this frightens me

[dawn palm]

old moon file sizes, lovely!

[sand kite]

https://tenor.com/view/scare-team-fortress-scares-me-silhouette-shy-gif-13734871

[marble rivet]

Hey lads, I have an idea

||On penumbra where the altar is||
Let me kill someone, and lets see what happens

[balmy blade]

the ||rock goblins|| will be summoned

[pseudo thistle]

I’ll fix it

Not sure why they are so bloated

[balmy blade]

do you plan on using voxx's moon mesher thing?

[pseudo thistle]

I have done that already

[balmy blade]

i know jackshit about optimizing but is it supposed to be better

[balmy blade]

neat..

[pseudo thistle]

I cut it down by 35mb

Sector is probably the most optimized, being only 78mb atm

Im doing all I can atm, and it seems to be working, rn im turning all my sounds into OGG

[marble rivet]

💠

[pseudo thistle]

that only really saved 2ish mb

so I big portion of the bloating is the mod bundle taking in most of the enemy assets

not sure if there is a way to fix that

[pseudo thistle]

oh wow ty

134 -> 65

90 something -> 59

Thanks a ton!

[bronze echo]

Will the musics be back soon or will that never come back?

[pseudo thistle]

Ill be learning how to make my own and thatll be the music tracks

[lethal bay]

Oh yeah, that stuff is a huge size optimizer and so simple to implement.

[lethal bay]

Very curious to see how they turn out!

[fresh venture]

does the moon have a custom skybox?

[pseudo thistle]

I optimized all the skyboxes already

I did all I could and now its around 59mb now

which is pretty good

[fresh venture]

alr then yeah i got nothing

59's pretty good yeah

[odd sapphire]

Oh wow

It’s always the little things that save the most

[pseudo thistle]

Ikr

Affliction being half the size is really an acommplisment

[odd sapphire]

Yeah, it’s pretty sweet

You did good c:

[frank steppe]

have you ever experienced any issues with a moon not cooperating with lq? it works great for most moons that i've tweaked for my modpack, but there were a few that straight up wouldn't apply any loot properties that i modified. e.g. synthesis, arcadia, derelict, and possibly sect0

[spark burrow]

Loot properties as in value/carryweight/conductivity of the said item?

Cause editing spawn weight seems to be fine from when I tried it

[frank steppe]

sorry, should've clarified. loot properties as in spawn weights of individual items and min/max scrap spawns for moons

but i think its indicitive of a bigger issue with the moon, since synthesis was one that i tested with a friend and it had desynced interiors

my interior was different from a friends, so i could walk through walls on his end and vice versa

[spark burrow]

Ah gotcha, strange, not sure why LQ isn't applying to them cause I have edited scrap min/max and spawn weights

For the interior portion you might wanna hit up the LQ thread about that as that sounds like either a case of a goobered setup when setting up the interior spawns via LQ or possibly a config mismatch

As for why some of kite's and v0xx's moons don't seem to accept those properties I'm unsure, I think something else might be interfering with them cause I have played on those moons before and edited those properties with LQ with no issue

If you don't edit map size multipliers for individual moons, you could just have LLL do all the interior spawn weights instead LQ

[frank steppe]

01931309-87d7-e999-134c-27ce73dce4b6
here's my modpack code, not sure if anything in here would be conflicting with those moons
my best guess would be certain interiors

also i have chosen to use lq for map scale properties and monster spawn weights as well since its a much better interface to tinker with that stuff imo

there are some interiors that are just too big to be good on their own, such as starlancer warehouse (very awesome aesthetic but extremely sparse loot in some cases)

but yeah, i know for sure that synthesis was not configured to have mineshaft interior when i first tried configuring it. when my friend went through the fire exit, he fell into the void, so there was definitely a desync between his and my interior

[spark burrow]

Ah, Factory Size Multiplier, are you editing that per moon or globally?
Try editing it globally and seeing if the desync problem exists

If it does then try tweaking the size of interiors via LLL instead, I would recommend prob setting interior weights in LLL to match what you got in LQ JUST to be on the safe side

I've never tried out editing Factory Size Multiplier so no clue how to properly handle that via LQ if it's possible to do so

When I referred to Map Size Multiplier, I mean by how say vanilla moons are like this:
March: 2.0
Assurance: 1.0
Titan: 2.2
Rend: 1.8

When it comes to modded moons if I feel certain moons are simply too big, I tone it down (ex: Ganimedes being at 3.0)

[frank steppe]

i was under the impression that LLL and LQ configs were pretty much incompatible

[frank steppe]

also i agree with this

[spark burrow]

One overrides the other but admittedly there are some fields that are absent when it comes to certain properties regardless of which option you choose

In this scenario I'd just let LQ handle enemy/scrap/traps while LLL handles interiors

I have heard in the past that certain formatting of Factory Size Multipliers did lead to interior desyncs, again I'd either just hit up the LQ thread or just ditch editing interior properties in LQ and let LLL handle it
(As I've, never actually played around with those options so can't really give advice on how to do it safely)

[hushed carbon]

for me the size mults didnt cause any desync, tho over id rccomend switching to central config as LQ is shitting itself more and more with each update

[frank steppe]

😦

lll sucks bc its ui is so much worse to tweak stuff in

and i feel like LQ also gives you a lot more control over different variables

[hushed carbon]

CC is pretty good, or at least better than letting LLL take care of ir

[haughty forge]

cc still isn't as good as lq \😔

[hushed carbon]

Besides for a few of its feature I do tend to agree

I just didnt wann deal with LQ's weird enemy spawn chance issues

and working with dynamic interior variaty is nice

CC is just a slightly better version of LLL cfg, while LQ has a great ui

and more stat settings

[frank steppe]

not being able to modify item spawn weights is a deal breaker for me

if thats not a thing that can be done with cc i prob wont use it

i was able to add newer version scrap to moons that normally dont have it, and also add a lot of variety to the higher tier loot spawns on the higher tier modded moons

[hushed carbon]

you can do spawn weights

its just less easy

you can even make certain enemies spawn more often in specific interiors

[frank steppe]

thats a pretty cool feature ngl

not sure how much i would tweak it since the main thing that makes a modded moon bad imo is the loot density in relation to how dangerous and how costly the moon is

so most moons just need a nerfed or buffed loot spawn

[odd sapphire]

It looks like something weird might be going on with how entities interact with the floor on Sector-0

Not sure if this would be a thing on your end or of it'd be on CodeRebirth's end, but this happened

Lastly, Manticoils move really freaking weird there, and seem to get stuck in one spot often

[pseudo thistle]

yeah, im trying to figure it out

[odd sapphire]

Update is cool though!

Really didn't expect ||to hear the Company Monster sleeping||

[pseudo thistle]

That was always I thing I believe

[odd sapphire]

My memory is awful

[pseudo thistle]

Really all I added was the alleyway

[odd sapphire]

I mean you changed up the

what's the word

catwalk

[pseudo thistle]

mhm, I moved an exit

[hushed carbon]

its isnty rebirths falt either really, thats just vanilla's spawn node system being funky XD

[odd sapphire]

Had a feeling that could be the case

[hybrid fern]

This is known

Rosie saw it on my stream today

[pseudo thistle]

yeah lmao

Really not sure what they are walking on though

maybe it was the scaffolding peaking through the floor

but idrk

everything is basically correct atm

Eh whatever it was

its fixed now

[hybrid fern]

Oh you figured it out?

lol

[pseudo thistle]

nope! But it works now lmaoo

[odd sapphire]

That’s the spirit!

[heavy ruin]

Was anything changed with the sector 0 interior with the new update?

[pseudo thistle]

I removed it as a dependancy

itll come later

[heavy ruin]

ahh okok

[pseudo thistle]

Hello 59 Affliction!

[heavy ruin]

YESSSSSSSSSSSS LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[pseudo thistle]

It is ||Affliction|| from ||Ichor's|| POV

[languid bridge]

new or rework?

[pseudo thistle]

new

[languid bridge]

||LAVA MOOOOOOOON!!! :D||

[ebon timber]

omg

that's genius

[tranquil echo]

That's really cool! Neat idea 😄

[turbid hamlet]

@pseudo thistle there are some issues with the new affliction

so there is a missing face of a building near main

[pseudo thistle]

thought I fixed that oops

[turbid hamlet]

and also the fences on the right doesn't have collisions

[pseudo thistle]

also thought I fixed that

hm

lol

[turbid hamlet]

happens xD

[odd sapphire]

Was ||the hidden room with a Jester in a test-tube|| removed in Sector-0?

[pseudo thistle]

it was replaced with the alleyway yes

[odd sapphire]

Aw, it was so cool lol

[odd sapphire]

Exterior ambient audio can continue inside on Sector-0

[pseudo thistle]

Okay

Some stuff will have to come tomorrow because im working on getting other things ready

[odd sapphire]

Oh yeah, it's not like it's a major issue or anything

[pseudo thistle]

Sector-0 will be a lot more golden soon

a lot of the lesser value items will be replaced with gold bars

[cinder hawk]

Good to see ya back in action even if just for a bit. Dunno if you've touched the interior desyncs yet but lmk if you need assistance. 🕷️

[pseudo thistle]

I probably will need a refresh on interiors in general, but thatll come after im done with the gordion saga which might be tomorrow to wednesday

[cinder hawk]

Fair

I really enjoy Sector-0 as it is so I hope it doesn't change TOO much

[pseudo thistle]

I was thinking of going back to old sector-0 interior

but with more Jeb integrated with it

[heavy ruin]

Old Sector-0 Interior was peak lmao

Will the unique apparatuses be obtainable with the new interior?

[pseudo thistle]

likely

I was thinking of making the apparatus the monster's heart

well, thinking as in having the idea just now

[hushed carbon]

I think a hybrid of both would be nice

both had great aspects

[pseudo thistle]

Sorta the plan yes

Which parts did you like of each

[hushed carbon]

its been so long since I played the og so I dont exactly remember, but the turret holes and the bulkhead doors of v2 were nice, as well as having the 2nd floor accessible from the entrance

honestly more excited for offices to be spruced up

I use those all the time

[agile river]

i really liked the feel of the old sector interior alot more but the new one has some cool functionality like the turrets

[fervent summit]

sector 0's old interior with the new outside layout would be absolute peak

keeping the current sector interior as a separate package could work too

[untold hinge]

I liked the larger lab rooms from V1, along with that one large room with red fog and the catwalks.

[fervent summit]

the rooms with the giant apparatus tubes, the desks, the 4 way rooms with chasms, and the test tubes with monsters in them were some of my favorite parts of old sector. The general design of the rooms reusing some vanilla assets like the doors and the shelves was really good too. I also really like the old bird hangars and the one chasm room pictured (gave me half-life 2/portal 1 vibes) in the new sector, as well as the new door types and turret holes.

The parts i didn't like as much from old sector was that one huge room with the catwalks (felt impossible to navigate if you were on the bottom, maybe make it slightly smaller?), and the small lab rooms/corridors with white walls. I guess in general I didn't like the rusted metal look that every room has in new sector. I also feel like hallways were bigger or wider than they are in new sector.

But that's just my two cents, I haven't played on old sector in so long and I don't think it's possible to unless I downgrade the game? I'd love to see old sector interior come back with a fresh coat of paint. I think the current exterior for sector is perfect though

i also am not sure if i found every possible room in either, so i assume there are some rooms i was missing

[pseudo thistle]

Wdym by having the 2nd floor accessible from the entrance

[hushed carbon]

I meant the ladder to the second level right near the entrance

[pseudo thistle]

Oh got it

Okay thats good to know

[pseudo thistle]

Any other likes or dislikes of the v1 versus v2 interior of sector?

[odd sapphire]

Now that I think about it, I’m not sure if i ever actually played the v2 sector interior

I’ll hop on an give it a try now

[languid bridge]

the wall turrets are watching

[odd sapphire]

I think it’s cool but they feel like two totally different interiors tbh

[pseudo thistle]

Thats fair

[odd sapphire]

I think both stand on their own

[hushed carbon]

One feels like a high security bunker where the other is like a leveled up facility

[odd sapphire]

Trying v1 again now for a refresher

[hushed carbon]

I think v2 works better for sector 0 as a moon

while v1 is better for moons overall

[lavish quiver]

Not sure if you're aware Rosie (or if it's intentional) but the footstep sound of the ground on Affliction sounds like wood . . . or something hollow.

[pseudo thistle]

I forgot to give the terramesh obj the tag

[hushed carbon]

wood you elaborate 🤓

[lavish quiver]

Oh also the storage container that you can walk under right infron of the ship . . . Giants can walk under it. One just walked through the container and ate me whilst I was typing

Let me grab a screenie

[pseudo thistle]

easy fixes

[lavish quiver]

okay :3
really looking forwards to seeing what you've cooked up with ||ichor||!

[languid bridge]

i already said my positives for both. get yourself, wes, generic, lancer, and mae together, and i think you all could pull off an amazing interior; even with just advice

[fervent summit]

i guess a gripe i had with v1 interior was how few light sources were? i get it's supposed to be a dark environment but even compared to something like mineshaft it is extremely dark in there. i guess it has to do that the lights are not as much area lights as they are spot lights. i can't imagine how it would look with true darkness enabled

i don't think it needs a lot of lighting cus being dark makes it scarier but the light sources that are present are few and far between

[hushed carbon]

yaknow now that I think about it I think I know what v1 reminded me of

a power plant

[fervent summit]

true

i suppose in that regard v2 reminds me of a military base

[odd sapphire]

Yeah it seems like i mis-remembered v1 a lot or something

[pseudo thistle]

lol

[odd sapphire]

Also good lord v1 generates massive

[pseudo thistle]

yeah lol

[odd sapphire]

I do like the submerged entities in v1 having scan nodes

[hushed carbon]

average old interior

[odd sapphire]

I like the first area in v1

And the sciencey rooms

Like not the areas but the individual lab rooms you can find from area 1

[pseudo thistle]

okay, so first area from v1 and individual lab rooms from v2

?

[odd sapphire]

Nah like the lab rooms from v1

[pseudo thistle]

I dont remember those haha

[odd sapphire]

Basically the lab rooms from v2 tbh, just it leads directly into it

[hushed carbon]

I like to think its were the apparatuses are made, the enemies in tubes being them experimenting on what could generate power

[hushed carbon]

how about I make vids of both later and we have people vote XD

[pseudo thistle]

Lol

Im likely going to add things from both

[odd sapphire]

I think area 1 in v1 leading into area 1 of v2 would be cool

[hushed carbon]

reminds me of how black mesa works

[odd sapphire]

Yeah!

It starts with a “normal” looking area and then moves into like bunkers/sciencey areas

[fervent summit]

was kinda wondering if there was a way to force it to generate v1 style tiles for most of it and then have a subsection with the v2 tiles

[odd sapphire]

tbh I’d say the reverse

[pseudo thistle]

there is 3 subsections in v1 and 2 subsections in v2

[hushed carbon]

sounds like some JLL magic

[pseudo thistle]

Warehouse, Corridors, and Lab from v1
Facility, Lab from v2

[fervent summit]

i generally liked both but i preferred the corridors from v1 to the facility from v2, and i liked the lab from v2 more than the one from v1

[odd sapphire]

what’s the differences between warehouse/corridors?

By corridors do you mean the catwalks

[pseudo thistle]

Corridors were the giant catwalks yes

[odd sapphire]

Ahhh yeah

[fervent summit]

ohhhh

[hushed carbon]

while on the topic of rosies interiors, I always felt cozy was more vanilla styled than lc office

[odd sapphire]

Those were neat but in the two generations i did were either too large or too small

[hushed carbon]

just needed a lil more tiles variaty

[fervent summit]

i thought the corridors were the hallways/main entrance

so ig i like warehouse v1 more than facility v2 then

[pseudo thistle]

Got it

[odd sapphire]

I’d say v1 warehouse but a lot smaller and just looks abandoned

Which leads into v2 bunker or labs

Which leads into whatever one that didn’t lead to

Warehouse -> Labs -> Drill into Bunker?

[hushed carbon]

I remember playing on eve with the v2 sector 0 interior and with the bushes and leaves that spawn inside it really reminded me of the back areas of jurassic park, having trex outside helped

[fervent summit]

the one part i'd love to keep unchanged from v2 would be the chasm room

peak design imo

[pseudo thistle]

yeah, I worked the hardest on that room

[odd sapphire]

I didn’t see that one when i played but absolutely keep that one it’s awesome lol

[hushed carbon]

why u ignore me Xp, /j

[odd sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-shades-omg-cant-believe-gif-10277190

[hushed carbon]

Jurassic park moon/interior

[odd sapphire]

I wasn’t dw /lh

[hushed carbon]

peak fiction

[hushed carbon]

yeah was just kiddin

[odd sapphire]

But yeah v2>>>v1

I just like the abandoned storage warehouse vibe that area 1 of v1 has

[hushed carbon]

its not that v1 is bad but v1 feel less climactic

[odd sapphire]

Yeah

[hushed carbon]

it kinda does what I wanted grand armory to do

not that that armory is bad

but im not the biggest fan of the layout

[odd sapphire]

I mainly like that v1 starts feeling like a “normal” interior but then it’s like woah what

But that doesn’t really work as well on Sector-0 as it does other moons

[hushed carbon]

now we need someone to program in a way to kill the company on sector 0 XD

I imagined what the finale of the game would be once breaking into the company would be a massive gauntlet you would have to traverse

and get to the end to defeat the company

[fervent summit]

that's kinda what i was imagining would be the use of whatever magic JLL has

that it starts off mostly normal as a front and then as you go deeper it gets more chaotic

[pseudo thistle]

I can do that without JLL probably

idek what JLL is tbh lmao

[hushed carbon]

really useful modding library

[pseudo thistle]

oh interesting

[fervent summit]

it's JacobG5's library that adds some additional functions for moonmakers, i'm not sure of whats in it but a lot of moons started using it

[hushed carbon]

bunch of modded moons/interiors use it now

[pseudo thistle]

Which moons/interiors?

[hushed carbon]

off the top of my head mythic moons

[fervent summit]

Pinnacle is one of them

[fervent summit]

all the Unreal interiors and Generic's moons use it as well

[hushed carbon]

wes's interiors also uses it now

[hushed carbon]

I imagine deep into the interior we find where the employees are made, they are not actually human but are part of the company and it turns out they are what destroyed humanity and are why all the moons are abandoned, then maybe it sends some after you, them acting like much smarter masked

[fervent summit]

would be cool but idk how that would be applied

[hushed carbon]

just cooking up lore ideas

since zeek in on break

lol

[fervent summit]

original sector interior had the masks in test tubes so i guess that could be a little lore bit

that the masks were created by the company to control employees better

[hushed carbon]

maybe the masked are like a v2 of the employee design while our current ones are outdated model 1s

v2's are designed to attack on sign to convert v1s to be under control

while the company still accepts v1's stuff as as long as they dont rebel

they allow them to keep living

[odd sapphire]

I like the idea that the company doesn’t know about masked/ghost girl due to the inability to scan them

[dawn palm]

I hope you're including that really cool liminal tile that's a space between buildings with a ton of fog

[hushed carbon]

I think about it differantly, masked cant be scanned because they are considered employees

since you cant scan your friends

[fervent summit]

you mean the chasm right

cus that's probably staying

[odd sapphire]

Never thought of it like that

There’s a couple other entities that they may not know about due to lacking a proper entry

[hushed carbon]

keep in mind the bestiary is written by sigurd so possible he had never seen a masked before so they dont have a log, maybe once the company found out about the "drill" they decided to make the masks to better control the crews

[odd sapphire]

The bestiary is only commented on by Sigurd, he only made a couple of entries

[hushed carbon]

ah thx for the correction, still gonna believe my headcanon

till zeek adds more lore

[fervent summit]

wasn't the jester log one of the only ones sigurd wrote himself

[odd sapphire]

Yep

[hushed carbon]

tho in the canon of my modpack I dont believe the masked are from the company, since I use mirage

[pseudo thistle]

just a demo piece, but heres a current concept for the warehouse area

[dawn palm]

no idea, I only saw it once but it was so cool

[dawn palm]

the butler one too

[fervent summit]

like this right

[dawn palm]

if the cryptic barber and nutcracker enties are anything to go by there's three different bestiary writers

[fervent summit]

i don't have a better picture unfortunately

[odd sapphire]

Baboon Hawk: Sigurd/Company
Barber: ???
Bracken: Sigurd/Company
Bunker Spider: Sigurd/Company
Butler: Sigurd
Coil-Head: Sigurd/Company
Circuit Bees: Sigurd/Company
Earth Leviathan: Sigurd/Company
Eyeless Dog: Company
Forest Keeper: Sigurd/Company
Ghost Girl: N/A
Hoarding Bug: Sigurd/Company
Hydrogere: Sigurd/Company
Jester: Sigurd
Maneater: Sigurd/Company
Manticoil: Sigurd/Company
Masked: N/A
Mask Hornets: ???
Nutcracker: ???
Old Bird: Company?
Roaming Locust: Sigurd/Company
Snare Flea: Sigurd/Company
Spore Lizard: Sigurd/Company
Thumper: Sigurd/Company
Tulip Snake: Sigurd/Company

[odd sapphire]

Oooh

[hushed carbon]

I really want more paranormal enemies

[odd sapphire]

Yeah rn we only really have like

[hushed carbon]

besides ghost girl id also consider barber paranormal

[odd sapphire]

Barber, Butler, Ghost Girl

Barber’s kinda paranormal

[dawn palm]

the biology buff (aka dude just citing an encyclopedia), sigurd and a random third guy

[dawn palm]

butler's not too paranormal honestly

[odd sapphire]

Bugs in skin suits that are able to fully function as a person

[dawn palm]

it's like, bees in a trench coat

[hushed carbon]

I dont really consider butler paranormal, masked based on known lore are more paranormal

[odd sapphire]

I do consider masked paranormal

[hushed carbon]

rn for modded enemies that are paranormal I got ghostcodes, the walker and the oobleterra ghost

[odd sapphire]

Jester might be, we don’t exactly know enough

[hushed carbon]

I think thats more lovecraftian

rather than paranormal

[dawn palm]

I stand by my headcanon that all "mechanical" enemies in the game are just things being controlled by bizarre meat people, so like bioweapons n stuff

except old birds, prolly

[fervent summit]

old birds seem like the exception

just very advanced war robots

[odd sapphire]

Humanity is dead, Blood is fuel, Hell is full

[dawn palm]

atleast that's how the biodiversity lore goes

[odd sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/v1-ultrakill-v1-ultrakill-v1-plush-v1-plushie-gif-10744198944579940944

[dawn palm]

it's my way of justifying variants of nutcrackers, jesters, coil heads and barbers without betraying the "bio" in the name

[odd sapphire]

I think Nutcrackers are kinda like alien parasites

[dawn palm]

fetus-controlled mech goes hard as an idea though

[odd sapphire]

I think actual entity is the fleshy eye thing, and the nutcracker is just what it’s inhabiting

[hushed carbon]

I think they are bio weapons and that coilheads are the direct counter to their abilities

[dawn palm]

ye same

[granite abyss]

Never actually thought about that

[odd sapphire]

Part of why is bc zeekerss said he wanted the game to feel like infested by an alien zoo and then they dropped the next update

[hushed carbon]

think about it, coils stop when stared and nutcrackeres detect motion

[dawn palm]

I headcanon the nut's organism as bioartificial little creatures

[fervent summit]

there was also a theory that old birds were designed to fight coilheads considering they activate when there is radiation (from app pulled), and coilheads passively emit radiation. There was also the part in their bestiary that coilheads reset when encountering loud noise or bright light, which could explain the soundcannons and spotlight on old birds

[dawn palm]

just like, made from dead bodies or people they kidnapped to make into bioweapons

[hushed carbon]

adds to the whole warfare vibe, nutcracker<coilhead<old bird

[dawn palm]

coil heads are that but less (or more?) deformed, and jesters too

[hushed carbon]

an arms race

[dawn palm]

so cool

[odd sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/gutterman-ultrakill-me-when-me-when-the-time-for-bed-gif-9428411444002163535

[dawn palm]

an I reinventing some game's lore

[odd sapphire]

Straight up Gutterman lore

Yeah

Ultrakill

[dawn palm]

am** FUCK i hate this fucking phone I got!!!!

[odd sapphire]

hahaha

[hushed carbon]

and now we play during the aftermath where humanity tore itself appart

[dawn palm]

never played supermurder

waa!!

[odd sapphire]

Play itttt it’s so good

[dawn palm]

I'm too Gay and my reaction time is ass

[hushed carbon]

never liked megahomocide

[dawn palm]

so I don't enjoy super high octane games too much

[odd sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/getreal-ultrakill-v1-swordsmachine-wrecked-gif-19225732

[hushed carbon]

even as a boomer shooter fan its too fast for me

[dawn palm]

ig if I commited myself to playing it I could get used to it

[odd sapphire]

It’s not generally my kinda game which is funny bc it’s my second most played game on steam

[hushed carbon]

still prefer turbo overkill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzxJ-WYuMo8

[odd sapphire]

But does this have a secret fishing level which has a secret blahaj

[hushed carbon]

no, but you have chainsaw legs

and chainsaw arms

fighting a dino

and big booba tech god

[odd sapphire]

chainsaw gun

And sawblade gun

[hushed carbon]

its pretty much cyberpunk + doom eternal + chainsawman

[odd sapphire]

Fighting demons and angels n big booba tech robots

[hushed carbon]

eh in this its mostly flesh/tech abominations

a few bounty hunters

and the tech god

[odd sapphire]

All of the robots run on blood in Ultrakill

[hushed carbon]

did also forgot to mention having an orbital cannon, arm mounted missile launcher(that you give a middle finger when using), grappling hook and bullet time

[odd sapphire]

There’s four categories of enemies; Husks, Demons, Machines, and Angels

[odd sapphire]

How do you not like Ultrakill all of this is in that too but bullet time (and the middle finger)

[pseudo thistle]

Next demo room. Opinions?