#Rosie's Mods (RosiesMoons, CozyOffice)
worldly quarry
oh shoot why is it a mkv
Well point is... coilheads worked when I set them as a daytime enemy through LLL config
No idea what this means for you, but I assume that helps a lot towards narrowing it down
That actually does make me wonder if it's an enemy despawning issue with the daytime enemies not going away properly - cause I remember when Mirage had the issue with enemies not despawning properly, some enemies had no AI like with this
Either that or it was something about editing the LLL config at all, so maybe your coilheads are different from the default
pseudo thistle
Blobs dont thoguh?? im so confused
buoyant karma
Either that or it was something about editing the LLL config at all, so maybe yo...
My vid was just using basic LC enemytype files. Can you try deleting the config?
||or better yet STOP FINDING AI PROBLEMS TT^TT||
worldly quarry
Blobs dont thoguh?? im so confused
not sure about blobs, I didn't set them to daytime at all so not sure
pseudo thistle
Changing the LLL config for the spawns make all things spawn normally
but defaultly, it doesnt spawn correctly
pseudo thistle
not sure about blobs, I didn't set them to daytime at all so not sure
just tested, it works fine when they are set to daytime VIA config
I think all stuff works fine when set with config
just a hunch
Which probably means I messed up somewhere along the way when creating my project
buoyant karma
what the hell lmao
pseudo thistle
So
buoyant karma
Okay, I'm wondering if LLL is indeed parsing your moon as the company moon still by default
delete the config and completely change the name
worldly quarry
That could be - and then changing the LLL config at all turns it into a different moon (712 Gordion instead of 71 Gordion)
pseudo thistle
Okay, I'm wondering if LLL is indeed parsing your moon as the company moon still...
Assessment does the same stuff with the AI
It breaks
buoyant karma
Oh right
pseudo thistle
and im assuming when chaning the configs itll fix
worldly quarry
What's the tutorial you were using by the way? Been considering making a moon or two but for a while there wasn't really a good tutorial for LLL
buoyant karma
It's a pretty good tutorial
worldly quarry
High praise coming from the person who made it 🤭
red stone
dang what just happened
@pseudo thistle does it break even with just your moon and dependencies or is it with Yippe's/Something's modpack?
fallow niche
@pseudo thistle do you plan on including both mods in a one mod download like wesley moons does
pseudo thistle
<@979691257066561636> does it break even with just your moon and dependencies or...
Basically, ive boiled it down to LLL config works, default settings do not
if what i am doing atm works then it is fixed
pseudo thistle
<@979691257066561636> do you plan on including both mods in a one mod download l...
I will include them in one package
fallow niche
I will include them in one package
thank you! i like lowering the mod count for my profie as well lol...
pseudo thistle
np! xD
red stone
Basically, ive boiled it down to LLL config works, default settings do not
wait but mine worked without configuring LLL (i even constantly delete the configs for it tbh)
red stone
ig then yeah, prob moon's default settings has probs
sterile flame
remaking the entire project
oof, good luck!
hopefully this finally fixes it
pseudo thistle
Yes
Hopefully
xD
I also added some new things so have fun with that when i get the AI fixed
sterile flame
one more thing, i noticed the scrap values in gordion were actually pretty low
sometimes they were even lower than titan
which i know is unintentional
sterile flame
i did a test where i visited titan and gordion ten times each, and scanned using shiplootplus's accurate moon scrap scan
here's the result
not only is titan usually more value, but also more value per item
pseudo thistle
seems like it
ill boost the scrap in gordion more
the moon is a lot more difficult now
sterile flame
it's probably bcuz of the lower value scrap having high spawnrates tbh
like big bolt, tattered sheet, v type engines, large axels, etc.
bcuz i noticed those spawn a lot on gordion
pseudo thistle
Mhm thats another issue, since I used a different scrap list
which held lower value scrap
I fixed it since then though
mb I got distracted xD
sterile flame
nice
sterile flame
I have both the min and max loot higher than titan's
in audio knight's moon making tutorial, he mentions that this setting is rly inconsistent
so it seems u just gotta scan the scrap value ingame to get what u want
pseudo thistle
yepp
I think it is very dependent on the scrap list & amount
the value is just sorta a base value ig
not entirely sure
sterile flame
makes sense
scrap weight is definitely a major factor
u can set min value to 1000, but if the moon has a 99% chance to spawn whoopie cushions that 1000 ain't happening
sterile flame
lmaoo that'd be an amazing joke moon
imagine 99% chance for whoopie, 1% chance for gold bar, and no other scrap spawns
the ultimate gambling moon
silk nexus
Everywhere you walk
The whoopie is there
The sounds of flatulence rise in volume
People that get left behind on the moon are labeled as “death by insanity”
pseudo thistle
Asking for the whoopie to stop is begging for the inhabitant's attention, dogs just love the sound of whoopie...
xD
sterile flame
only outside spawns are dogs
pseudo thistle
only inside spawns are dogs
pseudo thistle
xD
pseudo thistle
remaking the entire project
it didnt work T-T
So confusing
So basically, all I need to do to make things spawn normally is select Enable Content Configuration in LLL config
I dont even need to change any values
and they spawn perfectly normal
I dont understand, I remade the entire project T-T
If there was anything wrong, it shouldve been fixed
Neither the AI or the monitor is fixed
Alright, im going to go to sleep, if anyone has any ideas please let me know, ill see stuff when I wake up xD
sterile flame
so weird
pseudo thistle
very
Im wondering if the AI and monitor is connected
Not sure
but changing the config only fixes the AI
Anyway, thats a tomorrow me problem
odd sapphire
Assessment had an issue for me where the outside audio didn't work properly
Actually it was all audio
sterile flame
that'll be fixed in the next patch
something to do with LCMaxSoundsFix needing to be added as a dependency
buoyant karma
So basically, all I need to do to make things spawn normally is select Enable Co...
?????????
buoyant karma
All you did was change false to true?
pseudo thistle
Yepp
buoyant karma
When you get to messing around with it some more, set it back to false and double check if there are any discrepancies between the values you've set in Unity vs the values in the config
pseudo thistle
Alrighty
pseudo thistle
uh, they arent invisible anymore ? But their texture is broken
I have an idea
of why
For some reason it might be pulling the enemy from the bundle
even though that makes little sense
If that is even possible I have no idea
buoyant karma
Is that in editor?
pseudo thistle
nope
in the profile
theres no reason for why the texture should be like that xD
but as soon as the config setting is true
the texture goes back to normal, and the AI works
buoyant karma
What all do you have specifically marked for your bundles?
pseudo thistle
the folder of the mod, and the scene
unless theres a hidden one somewhere in there
buoyant karma
Can I see your folder contents?
And also your asset bundle window, show me this so I can see what items have been marked for bundling
pseudo thistle
alrighty
fallow niche
what is the moon name for Gordion so I can make office interior spawn there
strange laurel
look weird :/
pseudo thistle
hm?
strange laurel
i mean why should add Moon on sky. that kinda weird
odd sapphire
So I did that toggle to try and get enemies to spawn, but now the weather is always rainy/stormy
strange laurel
Dustycloud + Moon Color Solid is so weird
pseudo thistle
So I did that toggle to try and get enemies to spawn, but now the weather is alw...
We fixed the enemy stuff, I will push an update in a few
odd sapphire
We fixed the enemy stuff, I will push an update in a few
Ah, sweet!
I'll swap the toggle back now then, just so i dont forget
orchid minnow
imagine a whoopie cushion moon
make the only outside enemies that can spawn dogs lol
pseudo thistle
Dustycloud + Moon Color Solid is so weird
Well, do you have feedback to make it look better?
I get that it looks a bit strange, but theres not much I can do about it
the point of Assessment is that there is supposed to be a giant moon in the sky, and im not throwing out the story behind the moon to make it look a bit better
odd sapphire
I think they specifically mean that the moon is very clear
If I had to guess
It makes it a little jarring
pseudo thistle
Thats fair
I need to moon to be able to render in the sky but also be blurred from the fog
I havent found a way to specifically do that
odd sapphire
Ahh
pseudo thistle
Thats why it is like that right now
strange laurel
My suggestion is to use an assurance sky, and if for example you want to add a moon display, it's best to make the colors synchronized.
I like the theme, what you mean is like this month is close to other months
strange laurel
I think they specifically mean that the moon is very clear
yes this is what i mean
odd sapphire
They’re still always stormy and raining wtf is wrong with my game
lol
deleted my lll config and even made a new save
(testing some custom moons rn)
strange laurel
and I noticed some custom monsters were missing this moon
odd sapphire
also good god that starting weather
strange laurel
it should be like this ( this is just example. (assurance moon) ).
odd sapphire
downloaded weathertweaks hopefully that'll fix it
pseudo thistle
also good god that starting weather
thats also will be fixed xD
odd sapphire
ahh
pseudo thistle
it doesnt need to receive quick sand, so I can get rid of the weather
sterile flame
true actually, there's no ground to turn into quick sand
pseudo thistle
yepp
sterile flame
at best it was just cosmetic weather
odd sapphire
what weather can it have?
sterile flame
stormy, foggy, eclipsed I think
odd sapphire
flooded i feel would kinda just kill you
yeah i was gonna say those three sound like the only ones that would work
pseudo thistle
flooded i feel would kinda just kill you
I was going to add flooded, but ill see what happens in testing ofc
sterile flame
prolly needs a lower starting height for flooded
pseudo thistle
mhm
odd sapphire
the big question is
pseudo thistle
which
pseudo thistle
prolly needs a lower starting height for flooded
I assumeeeee, would be weather variables
not entirely sure though
odd sapphire
the big question is
i have no clue what i was going to say
pseudo thistle
xD
sterile flame
nice
odd sapphire
lmfao
the fact that this feels like a "final" moon but ganimedes costs more is fun
I just realized I've had Ganimedes for like
a month
and haven't tried it
sterile flame
it's pretty fun
scrap is plentiful in ganimedes which is nice
especially with all the custom scrap
odd sapphire
Gonna try it now in a test setting
sterile flame
I think right now it has the highest average scrap out of all the custom moons so far
makes sense since it costs 1200 to get there lol
pseudo thistle
the fact that this feels like a "final" moon but ganimedes costs more is fun
yeah, do you believe Gordion should cost more? Or not
thats kinda one of my questions
sterile flame
only if it gives more scrap somehow
which is difficult bcuz ganimedes' value is also carried by the custom scrap
worldly quarry
Having a smaller interior size than ganimedes would be another way to increase total scrap at the end of the day, since you're more likely to find all of it
pseudo thistle
which is difficult bcuz ganimedes' value is also carried by the custom scrap
thats fair
Ill test avg scrap
pseudo thistle
Having a smaller interior size than ganimedes would be another way to increase t...
How big is ganimedes?
worldly quarry
I think 3 so rather large
pseudo thistle
got it
Gordion is 2.25
I could decrease it down to 2 again
but both 2.25 and 2 is less than titan
odd sapphire
Gonna try it now in a test setting
pffft
sterile flame
christmas dropship abandoned 😢
oh btw ganimedes has 35-45 scrap and 4 fire exits
so yeah scrap amount also carries the scrap value there
odd sapphire
i haven't done a proper run on gordion or ganimedes so i can't compare
also good lord ganimedes is def worth the money
first room i found scrap in it was like 350
sterile flame
it's crazy good
odd sapphire
got stuck at the end though
two giants
and i was stuck in a spot where i literally couldn't leave without one seeing me within like five seconds
sterile flame
hm?
oh ur talking about them pushing hydros
yeah other creatures can push hydros
odd sapphire
one was either carrying it or just quickly pushing it and brought it around with it
ahh
sterile flame
oh btw ganimedes has 35-45 scrap and 4 fire exits
on this note, the only way for gordion to catch up in scrap value is to also increase scrap amount.
but that presents its own problems, because anything above 50 can never realistically be full cleared with 4 players
worldly quarry
It's not the ONLY way - increasing the wieghts for the high-value scrap items would also be a good way to do it. I could see lore-wise gold bars actually being more common on Gordion due to the whole gold planet thing
sterile flame
i guess that's true
but at the same time that sounds hard to balance
sometimes u can get 3 to 5 gold bars, and sometimes there'll be none at all. The value range would be pretty crazy
worldly quarry
I mean, that's always going to be true. Some loot runs are always going to be luckier than others
Gold bars are only worth slightly more than something like a painting
odd sapphire
me adding a bunch of stupid scrap items ruining moons like this
pseudo thistle
oh btw ganimedes has 35-45 scrap and 4 fire exits
got it, Gordion is similar on that point
odd sapphire
tbf it could also be viewed that ganimedes is just a "post-game" moon, while Gordion is the "final" moon
ebon sorrel
got it, Gordion is similar on that point
you are working on new maps?
pseudo thistle
you are working on new maps?
Soon, recently I have been fixing issues
but they were figured out so now I think im good
pseudo thistle
I am also going to be working on a custom interior for gordion
pseudo thistle
Your Moons are fire
ty!
ebon sorrel
I am also going to be working on a custom interior for gordion
Nice
sterile flame
i found a somewhat minor issue in assessment, u can only walk up this ledge from a certain angle (Volume warning)
sterile flame
btw is the facility intentionally this dark on assessment? even the main entrance (which is usually very bright) is very dark here despite the power being on
pseudo thistle
hmm
sonic shale
i found a somewhat minor issue in assessment, u can only walk up this ledge from...
poor people with wheelchairs gonna have a hard time with this one
pseudo thistle
What does everyone think about assessment conflicting with assurance's keyword
I could make it B Assessment
or entirely change the name
obtuse roost
Arsessment
pseudo thistle
xD
worldly quarry
I feel like B Assessment doesn't feel right, unlike Gordion where I don't mind B Gordion or Gordion B. For assessment I feel like it's either fine the way it is, or changed entirely
pseudo thistle
I could alternatively change the entire name, but id have to deprecate the project and create a new one with the new name
worldly quarry
It doesn't override Assurance does it? Assurance takes priority right?
obtuse roost
Yeah changing its name won’t be a small task
pseudo thistle
It doesn't override Assurance does it? Assurance takes priority right?
Assurance takes priority
but even writing Assess makes it choose assurance
worldly quarry
I'd say it's fine then. Just need to type in the full name, that's fine
But not sure for other people
pseudo thistle
I could also purposely mispell it
as Asessment
xD
which might be the best option?
Not sure
worldly quarry
Personally I'd rather HAVE to spell the whole thing out, than have to remember myself to misspell it every time
worldly quarry
I'd be more likely to accidentally type Assessment and go to Assurance
pseudo thistle
Mhmhm
worldly quarry
As it stands, assurance is a free moon, if you travel there on accident you can just leave
pseudo thistle
Yepp
pseudo thistle
That’s fair
sterile flame
there are similar cases when it comes to modded moons, like celest and celestria, atlas abyss and atlantica
but what makes assessment different is that assurance is a vanilla moon
sterile flame
so it's "unavoidable"
worldly quarry
exactly, I'm used to typing full names so don't feel like it's a problem
If it's possible (not sure if it is) to change specifically the 3 letter short name without changing the whole name, you could do that I suppose. Then if you know the right 3 letters (probably Ase) you can do it quickly, otherwise you have to type the full name
worldly quarry
I just started working on one and didn't see anywhere for it but idk
pseudo thistle
Mhm
sterile flame
from what i can tell, u chose assessment bcuz it was a "sophisticated" noun like experimentation and assurance, right?
ebon timber
if you are ever planning on changing to a single package like starlancer, that would be the time to change it
sterile flame
how about affliction? 👀
the moon is "afflicted" with a hoarding bug infestation
and afflicting another celestial body
pseudo thistle
The astrological definition 👀
pseudo thistle
if you are ever planning on changing to a single package like starlancer, that w...
And id do something like this but probably do how wesley does it and have 1 mod for all the moons & have the individual ones too
worldly quarry
I wonder if I could change the names in my config files myself so I don't have to change anything again lol
sterile flame
glad to see i stumbled onto our solution 😄
pseudo thistle
wooo
odd sapphire
Assessment sounds great but yeah replacing it is the right choice imo
And Affliction fits perfectly lol
Doesn’t roll of the tongue as well, but oh well
ebon timber
I wonder if I could change the names in my config files myself so I don't have t...
most likely not due to how LLL assigns IDs to moons
pseudo thistle
Doesn’t roll of the tongue as well, but oh well
thats my only issue with it hmm
sterile flame
it is what it is
pseudo thistle
Fairr
sterile flame
btw, this seems a bit inconsistent. is assessment/affliction falling into a planet or another moon?
civic lark
The term "planet" is referring to the planet Assessment is orbiting I thought
Though the term "another" is an issue here
sterile flame
Its supposed to be moon smh
ah, in that case you'll have to change the terminal info ingame too
pseudo thistle
It is, but it is supposed to be orbiting around a larger moon, not planet
civic lark
Ah gotcha
pseudo thistle
Yepps
pseudo thistle
ah, in that case you'll have to change the terminal info ingame too
Sadlyyy
red stone
We fixed the enemy stuff, I will push an update in a few
so, what was the glaring problem
pseudo thistle
so, what was the glaring problem
Hm hard to explain
But essentially
There were duplicates of enemy in lists
So there was a blob in the daytime and the inside list
That broke things
But duplicating the enemy types and assigning those instead fixed it
red stone
so like you can only assign each enemy type to one category, unless you duplicate it?
red stone
cool
silk nexus
What does everyone think about assessment conflicting with assurance's keyword
Ok just a suggestion but:
I like Evaluation a lot (maybe appraisal, Estimation or judgement too, although the last one sounds like a more difficult moon :P) and it’s not as difficult
Also
Id rename B Gordion to “The Otherside” or just Otherside
Just suggestions though!
sterile flame
I like Evaluation a lot (maybe appraisal, Estimation or judgement too, although ...
it doesn't necessarily need to be a synonym for assessment cuz that was just a random word that sounded nice
but i do agree B Gordion can be something better
pseudo thistle
I like Evaluation a lot (maybe appraisal, Estimation or judgement too, although ...
Evaluation! Thats the one i was thinking of
pseudo thistle
but i do agree B Gordion can be something better
Ah not sure if Gordion B is any better tbh
But idk if i like otherside as a name
silk nexus
It felt to me like it fits since it’s totally the opposite of normal Gordion, but also just on the other side of the company building
:D
pseudo thistle
Ye
I understand
Maybe something like Gordion Side B but that seems like too much of a name
silk nexus
I’m probably biased cause Otherside was my favorite sparrow in Destiny 2
pseudo thistle
Xd
Or Gordion Otherside
I saw a suggestion of like Gordion Dark or something like that
silk nexus
Definitely a hard name to pick tho
pseudo thistle
Can you route to the company using “gordion”?
nope
sterile flame
has to be company
silk nexus
Then I guess something like Gordion Sect-2 could work?
silk nexus
Unless something has to be in FRONT of gordion?
pseudo thistle
nope not to my knowledge
although I think dashes and numbers get left out of the title
so maybe SectB
or something
Ill test it
ofc
silk nexus
Could you also make it routable to by typing in “hidden sector” or something?
pseudo thistle
it conflicts with LLL configs for company building
pseudo thistle
Could you also make it routable to by typing in “hidden sector” or something?
fair
pseudo thistle
I dont think so
Not without
like
altering of keywords and stuff
idk if and how I can do that xD
Its name could be changed to Hidden Sector though
but not sure about that either
silk nexus
Okok all g I was just wondering cause that opens up a lot of potential for other moons maybe
sterile flame
coming up with names is hard D:
pseudo thistle
def
Usually it takes a bit for me to come up with a good one
For Assessment we could either do
Evaluation
or Affliction
pseudo thistle
Ye
sterile flame
how bout...
Gordion Lockdown?
bcuz with all the lights, it looks like the building is in lockdown
pseudo thistle
Oo
silk nexus
although I think dashes and numbers get left out of the title
I know Egypt has a dash somewhere in it and it doesn’t get removed… afaik
Like 3-Gypt
(At least I yhink)
worldly quarry
so like you can only assign each enemy type to one category, unless you duplicat...
Interesting that this was the issue, so does clicking "modify" with the LLL config somehow make a duplicate automatically?
I honestly still think like Gordion-B is what I'd go for- I feel like adding too many modifiers to the name is unnecessary and doesn't sound as cool
Or if you want to be extra cool and evil, something like Gordion Null or Gordion-X as if it's redacted
I also don't think doing all one word or having spaces is that bad, assuming a dash doesn't work
pseudo thistle
Interesting that this was the issue, so does clicking "modify" with the LLL conf...
tbh, it kinda is just a quirk thatll be fixed later on
also, agreed
I am trying to remake the map for gordion so I can upload it to create a mod with all the moons, but thatll take a bit so tomorrow me issue wooo!
and it is way to early xD
buoyant karma
Gord-10N
glossy shore
pseudo thistle
ye, ill see what I can do
quiet whale
what happens if a level isnt compatible with that mod ?
buoyant karma
@warped agate it'll just revert to a default preset, correct?
pseudo thistle
it doesnt seem like there is an issue anyway
It takes the planet prefab
my moons have that already
odd sapphire
I heard that changing the LLL setting to true fixed the spawn thing but it didn't for me
for Assessment
Kept my log open and there's a few times where it absolutely spammed errors
And there was an issue with a Forest Keeper not being able to really move towards be despite being aggro'd on me
Didn't move until I ran right up to it
This is my log if it could help with anything:
pseudo thistle
tbh
everything should be fixed next update
so its not much to worry about
the update will be very soon btw
odd sapphire
like within a few hours soon? Or within a couple days soon
pseudo thistle
few hours
odd sapphire
Oh awesome
pseudo thistle
Should I make a new project for assessment since im renaming it to affliction?
Or keep assessment as the name just as the title of the project
ebon timber
new project will cause the least amount of confusion, but it's the biggest hassle
pseudo thistle
yeah
Ill link the old project to the new one and the new one to the old one if people need it
tropic granite
on this note, the only way for gordion to catch up in scrap value is to also inc...
I mean. it can be tied for hardest+best map if you configure it properly.
sterile flame
i mean yeah, anyone can configure the values to their desired amount with LLL's config
but that's difficult if the scrap pool is alr filled with lower value items
tropic granite
or a bit of advanced company ingame config/profile magic
although, if it's a bit of a sprint to get back in ganymedes, I feel gordion is gonna be pretty decent
the walk or jump down off the catwalk back to ship isn't too bad.
until some outdoor slime gets to you that is
tropic granite
[laughs in neck snaps when playing cosmocos]
tropic granite
I've been throwing in lockers and shockwave drones outdoors on some of the earlier desert/wasteland based moons that're somewhat flatish. bit of robotic outdoor invasion.
game needs more variety of enemies that can come outside. make it more interesting.
I'd take a masked or two over a giant any day.
sterile flame
well, enemies that come outside don't contribute to the outdoor power cap, so that might make the moons too hard
u can have both a mask infestation and 2 giants on rend
and that is alr pretty hard
tropic granite
I set them as outdoor enemies in some cases. like the lockers etc.
it's not a "lethal escape" thing, but an "I set them to spawn here" thing.
sterile flame
yeah that works
tropic granite
like how some of wesleys moons have interesting outdoor stuff
like the spore lizards outside on acidir or slimes on polarus etc
sterile flame
ye aesthetically it's very nice
warped agate
It takes the planet prefab
I'm going to switch to using leveltags and using the prefab as a fallback
pseudo thistle
:)
Just for a fair warning, I dont know how well I implemented them so if you run into any bugs tell me xD
odd sapphire
Looking forward to trying these out later!
pseudo thistle
ty!
odd sapphire
sterile flame
update's out?
solemn plinth
Just added to my pack and saw depreciated after testing. Was sad.
Then read past messages. All goood. haha
pseudo thistle
xD
pseudo thistle
update's out?
yep!
sterile flame
nice, time to see what's new
pseudo thistle
I have a package with both mods, and individuals
solemn plinth
nice, time to see what's new
There are new things to what I just tested?
Happy but also Siiiiiiiiigggghhhh
sterile flame
from the changelogs, it seems yeah
solemn plinth
Well time to look for new shineys!
😄
Welp it's taking its time to populate on the thunderstore. sad
silk nexus
Just for a fair warning, I dont know how well I implemented them so if you run i...
run into any what? 👀
a pun hmm
red stone
@pseudo thistle love the main entrance/fire exits on gordion. got some questions though.
- is the bell no longer ringable?
- i have clear weather but it's smoky outside AND INSIDE. is that intentional?
i am f**d
do the genetically modified thumpers have the same stats as the normal ones? didnt really notice anything besides them being ||greenish?||
lmao
unclimbable?
this one is climbable though
oh my
the QUEEN
love Affliction, especially with https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Agutrot/MolesterLootBug_Fork/
shut magnet
Hi!, uh how do you actually land on gordion Sect-0?
I am getting this when I type the name:
red stone
Hi!, uh how do you actually land on gordion Sect-0?
gordion would be the keyword
shut magnet
red stone
i use gord
shut magnet
and when I write "route gordion" I get this:
probably because of some mods conflicting tho
red stone
even gor works
@pseudo thistle apparently typing "gordion" goes to LLL simulation in terminal
gor to gordio works fine tho
gordions to gordionsect0 works fine too
simulate gordion
simulate gordionsect0
still simulates 71 gordion
ebon sorrel
In lethal quantities i can't see the spawnrate of enemy for the 2 maps
polar atlas
so these enemies came out of vents
on the new gordion
and never moved
bugged FYI
polar atlas
Also has anyone had issues with people using minimap mod on Gordion? I'm having people tell me they cannot switch players (Locked) on the main monitor console to teleport people back even though they said they dont have the override on the minimap enabled...minimap functions normally on vanilla mods but Gordion seems to be isolated to this problem
red stone
gordion is a moon, not a dungeon so no flow
red stone
even gor works
@ebon sorrel read this part
it's been an issue since the start
you can't simulate gordion for now ig
but you can still route to it
ebon sorrel
<@352519449372524567> read this part
Oh thanks
ebon sorrel
gordion is a moon, not a dungeon so no flow
I know i only wanted to change what dungeon spawns on Gord
red stone
I know i only wanted to change what dungeon spawns on Gord
try gordion, or gordionsect0
might work
pseudo thistle
<@979691257066561636> love the main entrance/fire exits on gordion. got some que...
Well it looks like i have some work to do when i get back to my house
xD
ebon sorrel
Ahah
pseudo thistle
Also has anyone had issues with people using minimap mod on Gordion? I'm having ...
Is it on both maps or just gordion?
pseudo thistle
<@979691257066561636> apparently typing "gordion" goes to LLL simulation in term...
Yeah ive seen that happen with some other moons
Not entirely sure how to fix it
Ill try though
pseudo thistle
<@979691257066561636> love the main entrance/fire exits on gordion. got some que...
Just btw
- bug
- might be a quirk of having company sky and fog settings
polar atlas
Is it on both maps or just gordion?
Just Gordian from what I've seen, all other maps we can switch players maps but for some reason it's locked on Gordion
pseudo thistle
Interesting
pseudo thistle
Yee
sterile flame
I've seen 3 colors so far: blue, green and purple
pseudo thistle
Looks like there might be some issues although
sterile flame
i know blue only takes 2 shovel hits to kill
pseudo thistle
Hey it did work!
sterile flame
but what about the others?
polar atlas
How's everyone's fps on Gordion? I can get a solid 70-80 on vanilla moons but drop to about 40- 55ish on Gordion
Just curious
pseudo thistle
but what about the others?
||Green ones are slower but beefier & larger iirc
Purple ones are beefy and faster, with a bigger size
Blue ones are weak and small, but faster||
pseudo thistle
How's everyone's fps on Gordion? I can get a solid 70-80 on vanilla moons but dr...
Hm
sterile flame
ohhh i see
pseudo thistle
I’ll see what i can do
pseudo thistle
Ye
sterile flame
i died fighting the purple one xd
pseudo thistle
Yeah its a monster
polar atlas
BTW love Gordion...we've dubbed it the true end game map along with Kast
pseudo thistle
Might know the reason why Gordion is laggy
polar atlas
👍🏼
pseudo thistle
BTW love Gordion...we've dubbed it the true end game map along with Kast
Ty!
sterile flame
i was surprised to see the route cost bumped up to 2250
pseudo thistle
Yeah
sterile flame
huge jump from other custom moons
pseudo thistle
Scrap list and value is also increased a lot i hope
sterile flame
about that
i tested it again
and yeah it's a lot better compared to titan
but as for kast and ganimedes...
pseudo thistle
Aghhshshgs XD
sterile flame
well, take a look for yourself XD
i did 20 landings each this time
i can confidently say, gordion will never beat ganimedes unless you add its own custom scrap
pseudo thistle
Thanks for the chart, its actually very helpful
Yeah
Thinking about adding custom scrap
Just not sure exactly what to add
polar atlas
Maybe a custom scrap for Gordion can be a tiny bell like the one at the out of order sell counter
pseudo thistle
And i think i over did the prixe of the moon, might bring it back to around 1250-1700 not entirely aure
sterile flame
1500 sounds nice
polar atlas
Or maybe lost pieces from crashed ships
sterile flame
secret documents?
pseudo thistle
Yes
polar atlas
Maybe also a tentacle from the mysterious monster at the bell counter
pseudo thistle
filled with classified company information
Maybe it provides lore for the genetically modified thumpers
sterile flame
oh trueee
pseudo thistle
Btw i will be changing the AI for them if i can figure it out :)
I want to add custom behaviors, maybe a nice thumper?
sterile flame
just to confirm, are there currently only the 3 colors of thumpers i saw?
or did i not encounter the others?
pseudo thistle
Currently 3
sterile flame
kk
ebon sorrel
Currently 3
Do you know what Is the name to set custom dungeon to spawn on Gordion
polar atlas
@pseudo thistle so ive seen my fps drop as low as 35 outside on Gordion
this is spamming heavy in the log right now just standing here
polar atlas
🙂
pseudo thistle
I suspected tbh
pseudo thistle
Do you know what Is the name to set custom dungeon to spawn on Gordion
It shoulddd be GordionLevel OR Gordion Sect-0
Try GordionLevel
sterile flame
I want to add custom behaviors, maybe a nice thumper?
make the blue one run away after getting hit once, similar to the snare flea 👀
pseudo thistle
Yeee
sterile flame
it would work nicely bcuz that blue one only has 2 hp
ebon sorrel
Try GordionLevel
Ok thanks
polar atlas
@pseudo thistle one more error in the log inside the Gordion facility
pseudo thistle
Odddddd
I havent had much issues with things spawning on my end
Does the AI break?
ebon sorrel
Ook
polar atlas
I have yet to find the coilhead to test if it's broken but I'm actively looking for it
All other ai seems fine tho
pseudo thistle
If you put Gord It works
Okay!
sterile flame
the coilheads seem fine from what i've seen
They work exactly as they would in other moons like asteroid13, as in they break aggro (or rather... completely ignore your existence?) as soon as you go on the ship
polar atlas
I like this far end fire exit, just my only gripe is that i cant really drop any items to the below ground with ease like the other spots heh
found the coilhead btw
didnt see any abnormal functions with it tho
polar atlas
initially received it when I was inside but couldnt find him
pseudo thistle
Thats fair
buoyant karma
<@979691257066561636> one more error in the log inside the Gordion facility
This would indicate an interior coilhead
polar atlas
other than the water rendering and that coilhead error I havent noticed any other errors...I'm assuming once the water render is fixed the fps will boost as normal
buoyant karma
How to fix that
This is also something that you probably can't change on the moon without breaking core game mechanics. The trigger inside the ship sets the player to be "SafeInsideShip" or something which triggers other functions and stuff (I think putting scrap on the ship as well)
pseudo thistle
Got itt
pseudo thistle
other than the water rendering and that coilhead error I havent noticed any othe...
Ye
sterile flame
This is also something that you probably can't change on the moon without breaki...
wait, then what about the blob getting inside the ship?
pseudo thistle
Another thing why the enemy spawnrate doesen't appear on lethalquantities?
Maybe the cusptm enemies
But not sure
ebon sorrel
I don't know in lethalquantities for your map there Is no enemy set to spawn but than in game they spawn
pseudo thistle
Interesting
ebon sorrel
It's like this
pseudo thistle
Alright, ill have a look when i get home
tropic granite
noticing the thread name. did you rebrand them?
pseudo thistle
Yep ^^
tropic granite
they're still the assessment and gordion map, just better names and fixed of AI oofs?
pseudo thistle
yepp
Some rough around the edges bugs that ill take care of, but thats the jist of it
iron ruin
the fire exits on goridion are awesome!
pseudo thistle
ty!
iron ruin
a love how your moons are so detailed but super vanilla firendly
pseudo thistle
It's like this
Quick question, does lethal quantities work with changing spawns on the moons?
iron ruin
question, I once encountered angry circut bees on affliciton, are they suposed to spawn agressive?
pseudo thistle
a love how your moons are so detailed but super vanilla firendly
thankss, thats the goal tbhh
hmm odd, their pathing might be a bit broken
can you tell me where if you remeber?
iron ruin
it was along the main path, then they went to the outskirts behind the ship
pseudo thistle
it was along the main path, then they went to the outskirts behind the ship
I think i know why
Their nest was probably stolen by a hoarding bug T-T
pseudo thistle
ye
ebon sorrel
Quick question, does lethal quantities work with changing spawns on the moons?
In the other moons yes with yours i don't know
Before you changed name of the moons there wasn't this problem
When Affliction was Assessment
ebon sorrel
Mmm i don't know
worldly quarry
Their nest was probably stolen by a hoarding bug T-T
oh god this sounds awful to run into
pseudo thistle
xD
polar atlas
Also has anyone had issues with people using minimap mod on Gordion? I'm having ...
Can anyone else test Minimap to see if they can recreate this issue?
red stone
unclimbable?
@pseudo thistle don't forget about this one, unless it was intentional
pseudo thistle
ye, I copied all the issues in a personal log xD
gaunt sedge
did you make this graph using manual data or is this a spreadsheet simulation
sterile flame
manual
gaunt sedge
ahh cool
sterile flame
using shiplootplus as the scanning tool
gaunt sedge
I only asked cause I have a spreadsheet for each of my moons and I'm trying to set up a like, simulated landing on a moon through it
sterile flame
trying to configure them for a playthrough?
gaunt sedge
i've been trying to set up each moon with different themeing in terms of scrap & enemies
last step right now is spawnrates for each scrap, i've got all of them assigned to moons in a way that feels cool
sterile flame
oh nice
gaunt sedge
but some moons have arbitrary spawn rates for scrap (I assigned them with random vibe-based numbers)
at some point i'll set up a like, simulated scrap spawn thing
so I don't need to test manually in game
lethal quantities is such a lifesaver though
burnt turtle
Guys don't go on the Gordion ladder
also have this issue (am testing it out rn)
quartz mica
is the bell at the "service desk" supposed to make a noise btw
quartz mica
one of the scraps should def be like a cut off/dead tentacle from jeb or whatever
pseudo thistle
yee
stiff creek
holy hell i played the new gordion and they made it like 50x harder
sterile flame
i honestly think it's perfect right now
it's got a good balance from all the enemies
pseudo thistle
Alright!
sterile flame
I also learned that nutcrackers can also spawn outside now
pseudo thistle
Yep
sterile flame
WAIT, THERE'S AN OUTSIDE BRACKEN???
worldly quarry
I ran into one just now haha
sterile flame
yeah...
worldly quarry
To bugs I noticed with Affliction:
-
One of the fire exit ladders is backwards (you can't grab it from the bottom, grabbing it from the top clips you into the wall)
-
One day counts as two, which kinda sucks. I learned from experience messing with moon making that this happens when you change the dayspeedmultiplier
odd sapphire
To bugs I noticed with Affliction:
1. One of the fire exit ladders is backward...
yeah i was meaning to ask why days were made longer on affliction
sterile flame
what would you say is more difficult
depends on solo or multiplayer
worldly quarry
I like the idea of having longer days for moons like affliction since the entrances are further away than most vanilla maps, HOWEVER the setting in LLL is bugged right now, so probably best to not change it
odd sapphire
depends on solo or multiplayer
let's go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5+
gameplay can differ a lot between the first four but when you hit 5 and above it isn't as drastic
sterile flame
well, ganimedes has the usual outdoor enemies, while gordion has the interior enemies outside
i could see ganimedes being harder solo bcuz the sprint back to the ship has no cover for giants
for gordion, there are plenty of ways to get around coilheads, hydrogeres, and the bracken during solo play
it's only the nutcracker, maskeds, and thumpers that are threatening
and the maskeds are easily killable with practice
pseudo thistle
To bugs I noticed with Affliction:
1. One of the fire exit ladders is backward...
oh wow didnt know that
I fixed the ladder, ill fix the days
worldly quarry
oh wow didnt know that
Yeah it's unfortunate, I'd love to be able to make the day slightly longer for the test moon I've been working on since the map is rather big
pseudo thistle
hm, it should be default
sterile flame
so 1 then
pseudo thistle
Yeah it's unfortunate, I'd love to be able to make the day slightly longer for t...
yeahh
sterile flame
but is it 1 inside and 1 outside?
pseudo thistle
it would be, yes
sterile flame
yeah config issues makes it so typing gordion won't work
odd sapphire
good lord
i was on the rafters
coil head coming up both stairs
one side also a bracken
and a slime on the rafterrs i had to dodge
a masked outside
i get into the ship
close the doorr
somehow survived
there was a masked hiding in the ship
couldn't get my freaking gun to shoot
died
pseudo thistle
oh my xd
odd sapphire
lol
stiff creek
How much easier do you believe it should be if at all?
idk
sterile flame
it's definitely a very difficult map solo
especially if u get thumpers and nutcrackers outside
constantly need to juke the thumpers while making sure the nuts don't spot u
sterile flame
affliction, also known as the genocide simulator
odd sapphire
also knows as
simulator
this has been rapidly spamming for several minutes
to the point where other lines show for only a second
odd sapphire
two shots B)
pseudo thistle
damn
pseudo thistle
xd
odd sapphire
the twitching and like
even the corpse
admittedly on like
any other place in the game it's fine
tropic granite
@pseudo thistle oh no. still can't simulate non-company gordion. D:
odd sapphire
gor/gord
tropic granite
simulate command isn't taking "GordionSect-0"
odd sapphire
oohhh
tropic granite
it still tries to simulate normal gordion
pseudo thistle
try GordionLevel?
pseudo thistle
hmm Ill see what I can do
tropic granite
D:
pseudo thistle
nooo
tropic granite
"ZeroGordion" ?
LLL's commands are weird, cause they seem to always go with like the first possible match or something
also, wtf.
why do you add like 3 colors of thumper? :V
just had them come up in advanced company config
pseudo thistle
Yepp, they have certain stuff with them, blue are smaller, faster, and weaker, green is slow, large, and stronger, purple are larger, faster, and stronger
very early prototype
at the sight of a major bug, ill probably remove them
temporarily
tropic granite
curious. 😮
although, oof. they probably don't drop loot from late game upgrades or sell bodies
pseudo thistle
ahhh that is true
if you could test thatd be apprieciated
Ive been thinking about disabling them for the meantime until I work out how to fully do enemy AI and such
worldly quarry
I don't mind them existing in the state they are now, perhaps a bit rarer though for the thumpers
it's a cool added challenge and it's not like their AI is broken, just a bit typical
I think the lootbug especially since it's not particularly dangerous
Just funny to randomly run into a massive one
pseudo thistle
ye, the hoarder queen is a prefab anyway, so its not an issue with spawning
worldly quarry
I'd love to see the ideas developed more but I don't see a problem currently is my point. They're not super crazy unique yet but actually the idea of "variants" of enemies that only have some tweaked stats is kinda cool in itself
Though I could see some cool stuff with the queen down the line - I'd love if angering the queen aggros all other lootbugs
pseudo thistle
oh that is so nice
worldly quarry
Perhaps killing the queen will make them all permanently docile too - like how with real colonizing insects getting rid of the queen makes them lose their coordination
pseudo thistle
I'd love to see the ideas developed more but I don't see a problem currently is ...
def, I wanted to make the purple thumper have legs, like the gene modification fixed the issue of them tearing their legs off during hatch
pseudo thistle
Perhaps killing the queen will make them all permanently docile too - like how w...
ooo
worldly quarry
def, I wanted to make the purple thumper have legs, like the gene modification f...
Oh that'd be super creepy looking haha
So used to how it looks now
tropic granite
if you could test thatd be apprieciated
I gotta do some configging for your moons and also wesley dumping like 4 new ones on me since I last played cause I gotta put interiors on everything. but then I'll see if I can do something
but since I can't simulate gordion I'll just have to fly by the seat of my pants with that one. xD
but it's probably just gonna be SCP foundation and office to go with the "escaped entities" kinda theme
pseudo thistle
I gotta do some configging for your moons and also wesley dumping like 4 new one...
I saw that def
worldly quarry
God it'd require so much custom code but what if killing the queen made all the Lootbugs now see YOU as the new leader, so they become docile and the ship becomes their nest, so they will bring back scrap you drop on the ground
It'd be super risky if they all got mad when you attack the queen, but great reward
pseudo thistle
but it's probably just gonna be SCP foundation and office to go with the "escape...
fairr, eventually the new interior ill make
pseudo thistle
It'd be super risky if they all got mad when you attack the queen, but great rew...
yee, I was going to make them drop a crown or something
maybe they hold/wear one
or maybe you take their heart
more vanilla
worldly quarry
God it'd require so much custom code but what if killing the queen made all the ...
I just love thinking about this idea, befriending them (through murder I guess, but same thing) and intentionally utilizing the lootbugs ability to carry scrap so they can be your little helpful buddies carrying stuff to the ship for you
tropic granite
Could you call Gordion "71-2 SectorZero" then make reference to that it's a location on Gordion in the description, incase people miss that number?
since Gordion is 71, so astute people who realize "71-2" might notice it before they go
tropic granite
Hm.
pseudo thistle
so the route would be Sec-sect
tropic granite
I know "Asteroid-13" for wesley's stuff works in simulate.
so it does take numbers
tropic granite
but seems to take the name match of something else first if it exists. like GordionSect-0 still taking Gordion
pseudo thistle
yeah
thats why I think maybe flipping the Sect-0 and the Gordion around would work
not entirely sure
but hopefully
tropic granite
hm... I need more interiors that work in an industrial setting that are like variations on the original... a lotta interiors are kinda too magical or weird for non-specific locations. hope your interior will fit that bill eventually, rosie
buoyant karma
died
Aren't you glad someone made a mod that allowed people to put interior enemies outside? :3c
pseudo thistle
ye
pseudo thistle
hm... I need more interiors that work in an industrial setting that are like var...
planning on it
tropic granite
Aren't you glad someone made a mod that allowed people to put interior enemies o...
pseudo thistle
its supposed to be a facility offshoot, similar but more laboratory vibe
tropic granite
oooh, spicy.
pseudo thistle
Thinking of a room right now, which is lined with test tubes
the interior is earily in conept, need to figure out how to make one + i want to make a forest moon
tropic granite
now, finally to configure the entities etc for the new places and finally maybe play the video game.
pseudo thistle
woo
buoyant karma
Put the Death Stranding baby in one of the tubes
pseudo thistle
T-T
tropic granite
and then likely promptly ragequit to some stupid death that was probably wholely avoidable but skill issues.
pseudo thistle
Put the Death Stranding baby in one of the tubes
I was going to put thumpers in the test tubes tbh xD
Or maybe some of the other enemies
pseudo thistle
and then likely promptly ragequit to some stupid death that was probably wholely...
pfft
tropic granite
xD
when I get it good, I get it good. but when the skill issues hit. alt+F4
it's probably why I can't have nice things cause I can't keep my lategame upgrades and advanced company perks if I keep resetting
_>'
oh lordy.
wesley going nuts with the outdoor baddies
tropic granite
madman
I hope it's some play to have people all enter and all leave etc cause the entrances aren't too far away
otherwise thats kinda rude
to have instant jester on land
pseudo thistle
yepp
I only have like a weight of 5 for jester on outside for gordion
sooo
xD
odd sapphire
I only have like a weight of 5 for jester on outside for gordion
What do you do if you get one?
Go inside?
odd sapphire
lol
pseudo thistle
thats why its such a low weight