Biodiversity - Expanding upon LC's fauna and their relationship with their habitats.

[cobalt turret]

Sicne you have to worry about well, 19 seconds less per track

[tight moat]

Same % of the day

[cobalt turret]

Yes it does. Its supposed to change track every in game hour

[tight moat]

Right

Which are all still 41 seconds

So it's still outdoors for ⅛ of the day

[fathom spire]

that still means that if it spawns early you're gonna have that thing fucking around outside for a sizeable time of the day

i legit thought it would only be outside for like, 20 seconds or so

cuz at phase 8 when it's fast as hell it can already pretty much reach anyone in 20 seconds

[tight moat]

I feel like DJ also kinda relies on spawning at the start of the day, with a mechanic that evolves throughout the entire day, right?

[fathom spire]

but you gotta be an unlucky ass mothereffer to be outside during the last few bits of the day

fuck you automod lmao

[cobalt turret]

In which for like... 3 tracks, its walking speed if not slower, and then for the rest of the tracks its slower than walking speed for a bit then accelerates to faster speeds

[fathom spire]

oh nah, masa said it can spawn later

which means it wouldn't reach it's later phases sometimes

[tight moat]

Hm

That's

Sure

[cobalt turret]

Masa wouldnt necessarily say that it has to spawn at the start of the day.

[fathom spire]

it makes it a lot more manageable imo

[tight moat]

Yeah no I guess that's fine

[cobalt turret]

Masa is fine if there are DJ encounters that doesnt have all the tracks pretty much. The full DJ experience would be when it starts at the end of the day.

Start..

of the day.

[tight moat]

The front end

[cobalt turret]

DJ spawns at 12am

[tight moat]

Always?

[cobalt turret]

1 second lofi track jumpscare

[fathom spire]

i'd shit myself

i think uuuh

it should definitely not be able to spawn that early

[cobalt turret]

Yeah no no matter the time if DJ spawns at the start of the day or at 10PM, the DJ always has to go through the phases.

[tight moat]

12am is midnight

12am is when the ship leaves

[fathom spire]

no yeah i read that as 12pm but bear with me

[tight moat]

Lmao

WAIT THERE'S A BEAR WITH YOU?

[cobalt turret]

12pm spawn means that DJ likely loses.. 5 phases?

[fathom spire]

cuz if it has 8 phases it means that at a 12pm spawntime it would cycle through its phases and be fucking around outside at 8pm

right?

[cobalt turret]

No, it still has passive phases remember? xd

[fathom spire]

yeah, which they still cycle through once per ingame minute

[tight moat]

8 + 5

So 13 hours for a full cycle

[cobalt turret]

13 tracks in total

The passive 5 are the default boombox tracks

[young rover]

It's just blocking terms commonly used to be insulting or degrading dw

[fathom spire]

yeah i figured lmao

[tight moat]

We get the Why

[fathom spire]

no worries

[tight moat]

The pain is typing out a whole message and losing it

Can't copy automod text

[cobalt turret]

Especially when you resend it but without bullet points and now it suddenly works

wow typos

[fathom spire]

i just have a bad case of sailor's mouth and can't stop myself from calling enemies d*pshits or mothereffers

[tight moat]

FREAKS

[young rover]

Yeah I can see how that would be annoying

[tight moat]

We'll thug it out, it's ok

[cobalt turret]

But yeah

[tight moat]

Anyway DJ should interact with dancing

[fathom spire]

ok so then it's literally impossible to reach a phase 8 scenario?

cuz like, 12pm's usually when stuff starts spawning

[tight moat]

Full day is 16 hours

Monsters can spawn as early as 7:45am

Yes that is before the ship lands

[fathom spire]

god this entity's giving me a headache

i am not build for numbers bro

[tight moat]

Too loud perhaps

[fathom spire]

(not trashing the entity i just can't number correctly)

anyway uh

i agree with tilted

[tight moat]

I can and will trash this entity, no mercy

[fathom spire]

dancing should be a deterrent or a way to redirect it

but only when face to face with it

[cobalt turret]

It shouldnt be

[fathom spire]

and other tools should be available to you to keep it at bay other than the boombox

[tight moat]

Could be as simple as "you are invisible while dancing unless it already saw you"

[fathom spire]

the boombox would obviously be the best one

but the other ones should also be applicable

maybe not zap gun

[tight moat]

Zap gun PRICEY

[fathom spire]

but an explosion (especially a flashbang) should definitely distract it

somewhat

[tight moat]

Should always be at least a lil useful

[fathom spire]

cuz if it feeds on high frequencies or whatever it just makes sense

[fathom spire]

zap gun's just a shit ass item im sorry LMAO

[sly sail]

maybe a wack with a shovel can keep it maybe 1 or 2 seconds at bay, like, when you hit an old tv and stuff

[fathom spire]

im not saying make it stunneable for like. 15 seconds

[tight moat]

OK DON'T MAKE IT WORSE THEN DAMN!!

[cobalt turret]

Nahhh

Thats too easy

[sly sail]

it wont die, but a lil hit with shovel

it could also make it skip 1 track

[fathom spire]

i mean, that can be implementable but it'd just be hard to do it because it's just a giant killbox lmao

[cobalt turret]

So shovel hits would buff it 💀

[tight moat]

If this thing is a jester variant then a shovel won't work

[fathom spire]

it's never in a vulnerable enough position to be hit at all

like, you can hit dogs with a shovel just because they slide

also yeah, realistically it shouldn't really work

[sly sail]

just best crewmates can get that 1-2 seconds, in emergency cases

[cobalt turret]

Its killbox would likely become wider as it evolves. First phases being the same size as a unwinded jester

[fathom spire]

and i feel like a few tools is nice, but i don't want to be able to deal with the dj with literally every weapon in the game

[fathom spire]

at that point you can just kinda dance if you want a short burst of invincibility

[cobalt turret]

Especially since you can deal with the DJ without anything.

[sly sail]

let the DJ know you like its music

[fathom spire]

technically you could have it work like that but it has a veeery niche use case

[sly sail]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-gif-21375479

[fathom spire]

i don't dislike it though

[fathom spire]

yerrr

[tight moat]

Here's the thing

[fathom spire]

||not really masa, im sorry||

[tight moat]

I don't have a thing

[fathom spire]

unless we're counting dancing, running away is not a method of dealing with it

[tight moat]

Ok now I do

[fathom spire]

you can do that yeah but like

[cobalt turret]

||Skill issue tbh||

[fathom spire]

it's not gonna keep it from continuing to wind up

nor will it turn off

you're just getting to safety, but you know that it's still in there and still getting stronger

[tight moat]

Yeah ok wait neuron unlocked

[cobalt turret]

Running away IS a counter

[tight moat]

Nah nah nah nah

[fathom spire]

not when it is actively getting stronger if you just run away from it

[sly sail]

isnt it for almost any entity?

[tight moat]

My brain EXPLODED it's huge now

[fathom spire]

except this one, cuz it literally gets stronger with time

[cobalt turret]

It literally switches targets at next track!

It ignores the heck out of you if it changes track

Goes for your friend

[tight moat]

Every single enemy in the game presents a way for players too "tackle the darkness" so to speak, even jester

A lot of enemies accomplished this by going from a danger state to a passive state

Bracken can be chest pumped

Coilheads cam be doored

Jesters can be calmed

Ghost girl can't chase you forever

[cobalt turret]

Nutcrackers... can be...?

[tight moat]

Nutcrackers go from aggro to patrol

And they're blind until they scan

[sly sail]

||she could do it, but her little legs get tired after some time||

[tight moat]

Lil shit

[sly sail]

until they scan AND you move

[tight moat]

Right but, take cover

[fathom spire]

get to the point

[sly sail]

door the shit out of the dj

[tight moat]

The DJ presents a situation where he ONLY gets worse and does not "reverse" states

So you can't tackle his threat, your literal only option is to leave

[cobalt turret]

Okay so

Youre at track 5, bro is 5 yards away from taking you, you use your last bit of stamina to keep distance.

Disc scratch sound

DJ stares you down, stands still, then slowly hypes up as it makes a big bass boost sound then starts its chase to its new target, now playing track 6

[fathom spire]

it does reset its acceleration when switching, and it switches targets, but it never actually chills out

[tight moat]

Plot twist your whole team is dead

Now you're alone

Now what

[cobalt turret]

Run.

[tight moat]

And that's it

Which is bad

[fathom spire]

there's no outplaying the enemy is what we're saying masa

[sly sail]

true, it cant change target if it has no more targets

[fathom spire]

ye, i brought this up when i mentioned solo players

[tight moat]

Because again to tie this back to Jester, you can run, but then you can safely go back inside

[fathom spire]

it would just absolutely fuck them over, cuz they have literally no way of dealing with it

[tight moat]

You can clutch up and lock in despite jester

You can't clutch with a DJ

[fathom spire]

yeah

like i love the concept, but there needs to be more ways either short term or long term of dealing with it

at most, on titan, all ya can do is plop a boombox by the main entrance and go through the fire exit

or the opposite

but uh.. it just kinda eats the boombox

and then goes back to normal behavior

so unless they're massively far away it's a bit of a problem

i don't mind a ticking time bomb enemy, it can be fun

but let me a least momentarily defuse the bomb

[cobalt turret]

Just because you cannot shut something down doesnt mean you cant clutch it. You can still run and get the last bits of scrap or your friend's body, and get the heck out. You can still make distance so that when it does get to its max speed it only just about got in your range.

[tight moat]

Masa I don't think you're getting it

[fathom spire]

you get weight from scrap, you'll naturally be outrun if it's late into the day

[cobalt turret]

Its not on your ass like a actual jester because it slowly accelerates. And as you see with the speed charter, it only gets to a maximum of player running speed at like, the hour before the final track.

[tight moat]

Jester also slowly accelerates?

[fathom spire]

also you can clutch up if you time dances correctly, but i dont think you like the fact that any other tools other than the boombox are an option

[tight moat]

Or do you mean like, even slower

[cobalt turret]

We never discussed acceleration time now that Masa thinks about it

[tight moat]

I pictured same acceleration as Jester since they're siblings

Just a capped max speed

(based on phase)

[fathom spire]

that's a good point, yeah

[cobalt turret]

No, they'd definitely have a slower locomotion.

Maybe at the last 10 or 20 seconds it would essentially be at its max speed.

[fathom spire]

but it's still almost impossible to clutch up against it

also you get to play chicken with it in a different way with the dancing

which idc i think that's fun

[cobalt turret]

Its not almost impossible, but it is hard.

Its not a easy enemy and it will never be because its a high tier enemy

[tight moat]

Masa are you against dancing having an interaction

[cobalt turret]

Not really. But conversations have gone so fast that Masa really doesnt care about talking about the dancing mechanic at the moment. Because you guys are not even talking about the other ways Masa provided, like listening to the door and determining what it would be closest to, playing hot potato with forcing target switch while its already 20 seconds into chasing someone (just at max speed), the fact that it then also resets speed everytime it de-aggros and changes tracks (which makes it de-aggro essentially). It just gets shut down with 'nah, impossible' and that is it, no thinking about the things you can do with just common sense and determining distance inside of the interior.

Masa is done talking about the DJ for now, Masa has D&D to do. Sorry but Masa is just frustrated right now.

Too much at once.

[tight moat]

We did talk about the other ways

I think they're bad if that's all you've got

Like that's kinda it

[fathom spire]

i just think it's not enough, honestly

again, it's an incredibly opressive entity

[tight moat]

It's definitely more oppressive than anything else in the game so far

[fathom spire]

doesn't matter if you it resets speed, it will get you eventually

the thing about de-aggroing is good

i like that

but again, it's not enough

[sly sail]

i just saw something about "jester aura"

[tight moat]

Jester aura?

[sly sail]

where you cant shoot anything arounnd jester with shotgun

let me get the video here

[tight moat]

Is that a thing

[sly sail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fLW303SeKs

[fathom spire]

like it's too tight of a timing to coordinate properly in my opinion

[sly sail]

from Bread, who is a pretty good LC player

[fathom spire]

i'm also frustrated, and i'm sorry that it had to come to this point

[sly sail]

it similar to a "hitbox" but its not the jester's hit box

[cobalt turret]

Its not bad, youre just thinking its bad. Maybe you just dont see it, but who knows at this point. Masa thinks its good enough, and that you only see the label 'always aggressive'

[fathom spire]

i love the concept but it's simply too round defining and oppressive. it's either adding easier ways to divert it momentarily (dancing, which would cause it to de-aggro and then go to the nearest person. this would make it so if you dance for just a tiny bit it would still re-aggro onto you, not resetting any of its speed) or just not including it, this is too hard to balance in my opinion

[cobalt turret]

Too easy to balance

Anyways

[tight moat]

Oh that's definitely a bug, how bizarre

[fathom spire]

tilted has their opinions, i have my own

i like it, i just think it's extremely hard to balance (without, y'know, adding dancing)

[sly sail]

i dont think its a bug, since it doesnt extend through floors

[tight moat]

I actually think it can be balanced

[sly sail]

and shovel its not affected by "jester aura"

[tight moat]

But I think Masa is being too stalwart on their idea for the enemy to try changes

I would be in full support of seeing the enemy made

[fathom spire]

take a break i'm probably gonna take a break from thinking about this too, i can feel a headache forming lmao

we can discuss it later, but let's chill and take a break

[tight moat]

I just think that if the enemy is made with the current vision and no changes then people will not find it fair

[fathom spire]

me too, i think it's really scary which is what i was kinda looking for currently

[sly sail]

the idea of tracks is nice

but maybe we should have it also have a passive state like regular jester in between kills

[fathom spire]

i think thats very against masa's vision

i also don't think a passive state would make it more interesting

[sly sail]

maybe not between kills, but maybe have a little interlude, where it winds up again

[fathom spire]

but i've already said what i think should be changed (or more accurately, added) to make it work

[tight moat]

Yeh we're not gonna get any more mileage here

[fathom spire]

by the way, i've been working on the model referencee hahaaaa

[tight moat]

That which is to be said has been said

[sly sail]

he happy fellow

[fathom spire]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-wake-up-wake-up-in-night-ren-and-stimpy-gif-24104879

[sly sail]

sad that it will turn to mush

[fathom spire]

he's a freak and deserves to be burnt alive !!!!!

[tight moat]

Oh he got that DUMPY tho

[fathom spire]

IT'S THE PANTS

[tight moat]

Dude has more ass than my femmployee model on god wtf

[fathom spire]

it's like, one of these

why it look like it got a huge dookie stain on it...

[tight moat]

It ain't a dookie stain I tell you what

[fathom spire]

you're right!

it's a terribly poor design decision

[tight moat]

Anyway

[fathom spire]

here's one without the dookie stain

[tight moat]

When you get bayonetted by waxxies your corpse model should be stuck to the blade for about 4 seconds

[fathom spire]

like with baboon hawks?

yeah definitely

also @sly sail what do you know about parasitic life forms?

[sly sail]

not much

[fathom spire]

trying to think of lore for the wax soldier's little flesh guy that he's got inside

and i cant come up with much more than "he live in the skull : )"

[sly sail]

maybe it could be more of a hermit crab thing

[tight moat]

Isn't it just the same as the nutcrackers?

[fathom spire]

i've been... an empty well of ideas for a long long time now i feel

[tight moat]

Same meat different skin?

[sly sail]

it changes soldier when one doesnt fit or its melted(only on lore)

it could also be a different kind of parasite, like, not a single eye

and more of a snail kind of 2 eyes

[tight moat]

Tintin gets the two eyes

[sly sail]

i meant more of a single parasite, 2 eyes, kind of like, not cyclops

more of a Gary kind of 2 eyes

like, they can get out of the mouth and spread sideways, and instead of body rotating, eyes would just circle a bit

could see both sides at a time for a faster scan

[tight moat]

You can't just give one parasite 2 eyes, that's insane

[sly sail]

but you can give a shark 4 mandibles?

make it make sense

[tight moat]

-legs +mandibles

[fathom spire]

yeah true

[sly sail]

also, tin tin also gets 2 parasites tho

[fathom spire]

makes sense makes sense

[fathom spire]

yerr, but that's tin's thing

[fathom spire]

could be, but i kinda like the idea of it going through both eyesockets like duskull does

[sly sail]

wax boi doesnt get 2 parasites, gets a parasitic slug

[fathom spire]

one of masa's suggestions btw not taking credit

[sly sail]

which has 2 antenae like eyes

[fathom spire]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-duskull-heart-in-love-gif-14375314

[tight moat]

I feel like that takes away from it a lil bit

[sly sail]

forgot about that one

[fathom spire]

like it'd be one eye that can go between both eyesockets

[sly sail]

could also be antenae like tho

[tight moat]

Like "Oh no no see he's a different toy soldier controlling parasite with a meat-eye theme, not the same kind if parasite"

Doesn't jibe

[sly sail]

kinda springy, gets out, looks a bit, goes in and out the other for a another lil scan

[fathom spire]

i feel like them being the same parasite does give them some charm

maybe give em a different shape though

like, the nutcracker's looks kinda like the brain of cthulhu's heart from terraria

so i always associated it with a heart w an eye

maybe the two tin parasites could be shaped like lungs and the wax one could be shaped like... a brain? maybe?

thing is you wouldn't really be able to see it cuz it'd just be the eye peeking from inside the skull

but conceptually it sounds cool

[tight moat]

When it melts it'll be visible

Ultimately though I think just, non-distinct meat shapes are gonna get you across the finish line with LC's polygon limit

[sly sail]

this reminds me of something

eyes do have a nerve, which is not THAT long, bit its not like you have brain stuck on the eye

(me still trying to get the antenae like eye)

[fathom spire]

LMAO

ngl i think what we could do is give tin (bot) the antenae eye for when it's without its gun

[tight moat]

Tintin are testes....

[fathom spire]

that way it could stick out like this when fighting you

(really breathttaking artwork ik)

[tight moat]

THAT IMAGE INSTANTLY MADE WHAT I SAID WORSE

[fathom spire]

BALLS

[fathom spire]

WDYM TINTIN ARE TESTES

[sacred ferry]

his freaking. bals are oute

[fathom spire]

HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN CALLING TIN TURRET "BALLS" THIS ENTIRE TIME?

[tight moat]

JUST A PAIR'A BALLS

[fathom spire]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-meme-gif-25909810

you guys are freaks

all of you

OUT OF MY THREAD, THE LOT OFYOU

[tight moat]

It's like a 60 year old british man just hanging brain ong

[fathom spire]

(please come back)

[sacred ferry]

put thos AWAY....

[fathom spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/799344855280124034/1120558107039367249/IMG_0176.gif

[tight moat]

Chat his BALLS are OUT

[fathom spire]

i hate all of you

but im keeping it

[sly sail]

what did i do

[fathom spire]

screw you

[fathom spire]

you're the only good one adri (kidding, you're all freaks awesome)

[sly sail]

(apart from questioning fun guy's existance)

[sly sail]

thank you

[fathom spire]

AND HE WILL REMAIN WITH HE BALLS OUTE

[sacred ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-fish-spinning-fish-gif-26242506

[fathom spire]

god tin's gonna be the funniest mother*effer ever

to hell with you. automod

[fathom spire]

fistycuffing you with he bal s out...

[tight moat]

More like Fishtycuffs

[fathom spire]

tilted is that another innuendo.

[tight moat]

🐟

[fathom spire]

oh ok i got scared for a second

[tight moat]

What if a variant of the mimic door who instead of being a fake fire exit was a fake brick wall and would squat in front of doorways

Entirely harmless though

You can just shove into it a bit and it'll scurry away like a crab

[fathom spire]

OMG I HAD A BRICK WALL IDEA

tilted you are just pulling things out of my head

[sly sail]

i think i remember a DAZOMBES video about a fake brick wall creature

cant remember which one or what it did

[fathom spire]

that's a really funny way to implement a brick wall

i had a brick centric mod idea too btw

don't judge m.e.

i tihink bricks are funny

[tight moat]

You're fucked up man

[fathom spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/799344855280124034/1120558107039367249/IMG_0176.gif

LISTEN

[sly sail]

we know monty

[fathom spire]

IMAGINE

RIGHT

brick wall enemy

and brick scrap

brick scrap can be sold for 11-23 credits

[tight moat]

Can't pull em out if I'm in your head, man

[fathom spire]

it's a projectile that does really little damage

[sly sail]

brick scrap being heavy as hell

[fathom spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/540392678802587675/1217030454129983508/GIRaM-TXUAAsUac.gif

GET OUT OF MY HEAD GRAAAAAH

[tight moat]

Gold bar weight but it's fucking bricks

[fathom spire]

BUT BUT

WHAT'S REALLY FUNNY

IS

imagine, you're with your buddies

you stumble upon a brick

use it, it's shot in the general direction you're aiming and breaks on impact

you then stock up on these bricks

and then when it's late, many quotas later

you find a dog

and you just

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/799344855280124034/1120558107039367249/IMG_0176.gif

BRICK RAIN

[tight moat]

I would adore a mod that just adds like 7 types of bricks or something

Clay brick

[sly sail]

plot twist, the brick you yoinked from the ground was a brick snail

[tight moat]

Stone brick

Sandstone brick

Cocaine brick

[sly sail]

plastic brick

[tight moat]

Ice brick

Plastic brick!

It's a lego

[fathom spire]

https://tenor.com/view/murderous-intent-kill-why-chinese-cat-app-mr-fresh-cat-feeder-gif-7215320228344222871

[tight moat]

Salt brick

[sly sail]

WHEN DID YOU GET IN MY HEAD

GO BACK TO MONTY'S

[fathom spire]

y'know what?

[tight moat]

I'm literally a hat I'm a brain hugger

[fathom spire]

fuck it

[tight moat]

Fuck it we brick?

[sly sail]

LEGO GOLEM(giant variant)

[tight moat]

Are you gonna one-day build a brick mod

[sly sail]

its just legos

but in the form of a giant

[tight moat]

24 hour brick jam

[fathom spire]

#1219438161806233730

make it happen, reddit

[fathom spire]

you're acting as if i'm competent enough to code something into this game

[tight moat]

True, sorry

[fathom spire]

some day....

AGGHHH FINALLY I'M DONE

I JUST NEED COLORS

[tight moat]

and a melted version sheet

[fathom spire]

i mean i dont think it warrants a full sheet, just needs a head view honestly

[sly sail]

maybe some melted wax over the uniform?

or is it also made of wax?

in that case it would also melt a bit

[fathom spire]

i think the jacket wouldn't be part of its body,

but the boots, hat, and hands would be

so yeah i think a sheet is necessary lmao

I'll just draw over the normal sheet though

[sly sail]

maybe jacket could be lootable?

in case jacket doesnt get wax stains(which are hard to get out if wax was pretty liquid when stained) maybe you could sell it

you get 2 valuable items from a big hazard(attacks from far away with pokey stick and can fire from even further away)

you can sell(or wear) the jacket, and sell(or use) the musket

[tight moat]

embed failure?

discord?

aighty then one sec

[tight moat]

Wax Soldier when he becomes molten

[fathom spire]

wax soldier color palette criticism needed

[empty condor]

Thats awesome i would love It in game

[fathom spire]

noticed his torso was a lil thick on the side profile, so i scrunched him a lil bit

[fathom spire]

thank you!! hopefuly making a model reference will help getting him in <3

[tight moat]

told you he was stacked

[empty condor]

Have you found a coder?

[fathom spire]

bro got a bbl

[fathom spire]

nah not yet

or, i guess it's being talked about? not even i know at this point hehe

long story short no

[fathom spire]

thoughts chat?

just got a person willing to animate this mf

moving up in the world

[tight moat]

Baby Baring Lumbar?

[fathom spire]

brazilian butt lift

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-spongebob-studying-gif-13392543

[tight moat]

oh ok

[fathom spire]

anyway that's enough work for today

I might as well get to writing the docs for the nut brothers soon

cuz like, we're already pretty set on them

[tight moat]

@fathom spire

[frigid cape]

bros caked up

[fathom spire]

WHAT

what mod.

[fathom spire]

i changed up the priority list by the way! since meatball suggested some changes to honey feeder i've been more inclined to include it

and it seems easier to code than the light but, so it is currently prioritized!

[dusky slate]

THE MANIAC

Masked Variant

A Golden Shotgun with infinite Bullets (you don’t need to reload)
Everytime, you shoot with it there is a higher Chance for you to get possessed.
If you get possessed, you’ll shoot yourself (you die) and then you turn into a Maniac.

Maniacs look like crewmembers just that they’re much bloodier and their Visor is broken.

A Maniac act’s similar to a normal masked just that it, has a shotgun, it never runs out of Stamina and that it tries to kill everything that is alive (players aren’t it’s main priority)
If you kill a Maniac, they drop their weapon, and you can recover their body as usual.
(Side Note: If you kill a Maniac the Shotguns chance to become a Maniac is reset)

[sly sail]

ooooh, looks nice

although i believe monty doesnt want to really add that many weapons, but i like the mechanics on this

also, that the maniac kills anything alive could get you to not only make a moon easier(in case no immortal entities spawn) but kinda harder too, cause you are playing against a mimic with a shotgun, which doesnt run out of shells

so

yeah, could maybe happen? or maybe not

difficult part would be killing it without a shotgun(OR MUSKET, it being its counter as it attacks from close range and you can do it from long distances)

[fathom spire]

yeah i don't love the amount of weapons we're introducing lmao

maybe the item could be something useful that isn't a weapon? that way you still gotta be weary about overusing it

thats the main part i like, having a tool given to you that can betray you

maybe a key? thing is how would you spice up mask ai by having a key lmao

[dusky slate]

Sharp key that kill you

Oh shit that another weapon

[fathom spire]

nah that's fine though lmao

cuz as a player used weapon it's incredibly useless

short range weapons aren't that great, so it wouldnt have many use cases which means it wouldn't really need to be balanced

[dusky slate]

Oh like a dagger. That can be used like a key

[fathom spire]

for an ai though only thing you gotta worry about is a weapon being too op for it

like the shotgun idea's cool but it's a bit too strong on an ai that will just insta aggro on you

so a melee weapon makes a bit more sense

[fathom spire]

yeah!

like a lockpicking dagger

lock dagger or something

you could find the item jammed into key holes

that way its directly part of the environment

[dusky slate]

And the maybe the Maniac could then lock doors to trap you or something

Also funily enough was gonna make it a dagger, but then changed my mind for a shotgun

[fathom spire]

oh that's evil

genius even

so basically

Lock Dagger:

A dagger that can be found jammed into keyholes around interiors.
It is a very short ranged melee weapon with very few use cases, better used as a tool.
It can be used to lockpick doors, taking 3-5 seconds to open a door.
You may be possessed after holding the dagger for too long, or using its tool function without rest.
Mania:
A masked variant with better stamina reserves than the vanilla one.
Does not one shot, but can two shot.
Deals more damage if attacking from behind you.
Can lock and unlock doors utilizing its dagger. Will only lock itself in once you're cornered.

I don't think these dudes should spawn naturally

like i feel like this is a good punishment enemy for overusing a really good tool

punishes you for being greedy

so i feel like it being a natural spawn might take away from that

[fathom spire]

also, dumb idea

but i want it to momentarily pause its chasing ai when encountering a spore lizard to pet it

[dusky slate]

Casually gives the braken a hug

[dusky slate]

Yeah that's what i was thinking

Also think it would be funny if new players found this item, then think to themself "oh this is amazing, I'll never need to use Keys again" and then when they use it they just get stabbed

[fathom spire]

YEAH LMAO

[sacred ferry]

silly lil variants i thought of and doodled cus im in school rn and bored as fuck :P

[fathom spire]

lmao i love those doodles

the coil head one's pretty interesting!

[sacred ferry]

yaaay ty :3

[tight moat]

Coilhead variant can't kill you or can kill you?

[sacred ferry]

it cant but will lead enemies that can kill you towards you

[tight moat]

So when you look away from it it still hugs your booty right?

[sacred ferry]

nah itd just stay in that place until everybody either leaves the facility or nobody has been around it for awhile then itd go back into its like roaming mode

[tight moat]

Ohhhh so it's an inversion of the coilhead where looking at it bad looking away good

[sacred ferry]

ya :3

sorry for late responses lol im still in school rn

[sly sail]

ok, got more nutcracker info that might help or not towards "nutcracker Variant" mechanics

it seems like it only sees CAMERA movement and EMOTES(includes pointing and crouching)

like, you can just move without touching your mouse and it wont see you on its scan

[sacred ferry]

yea i heard abt that thats rlly weird lol

[tawny herald]

maybe if you overuse a shotgun or maybe keys it spawns

[tight moat]

no no, that overuse is what turns you into one

it's a greed mechanic

[tawny herald]

maybe an item can change the channel of the radiohead to make it divert the monsters away

[tawny herald]

ohhhh

[tawny herald]

vanilla nutcracker does that?

[tight moat]

that's fascinating if true

[sacred ferry]

i thought abt that a little bit

like maybe it has a code like the mines and turrets or something like that that u can type in the terminal to take control of it

[fathom spire]

whaaa

thats so weird lmao

[sly sail]

just saw it on the most recent Bread video

[fathom spire]

i mean technically wax takes advantage of that by switching what triggers it

[sly sail]

literally wouldnt see him unless he moved the camera, emoted or crouch

[fathom spire]

it activates when you physically move past it, not when you move your camera in front of it or anything

[fathom spire]

thats so weird

fascinating

[sly sail]

i sometimes think i got an autocorrect tool in me, and that tool messes up my messages

at least here, like, i would say "would" when i wanna say "wouldnt" or are when i wanna say "arent" and stuff like it

or calling mama thumper Nesting bracken(happened once)

[warped shadow]

Anything for spiders

[tight moat]

some vague ideas but nothing concrete as focus is towards bracken and nutsuckers currently

[fathom spire]

right, docs

should get to grocery shopping but once i get back i'll start up a quick nutcracker doc

[tawny herald]

we do need to start focusing on things that have little to no variants

[tight moat]

We do need to start making gameplay ready content

[tawny herald]

yeah i agree

lets focus on the things that aren't completely finished

[fathom spire]

yeah lmao

i don't wanna think of many more variants rn, and if we do they gotta be real simple

i've been working on the molten model sheet

[tawny herald]

i was ab to say we should update the list but you already did it!

I think we do need to start thinking about expanding on the creatures that don't have much to them yet

[dawn flicker]

Can I see the list? 😅

[tawny herald]

pinned

[dawn flicker]

Dont know how to get to the pinned comments on phone app lol

Found it nvm

[tawny herald]

such as bowler brain and bobbit worm

[warped shadow]

Poisonous spider smoll fecker does little damage but poisons you for a while

[sly sail]

fun fact, all spiders and venomous(poisonous would be if eaten/ingested)

but not every spider is of medical emergency

so not lethal/very important to get medical attention

[fathom spire]

yeah i need to figure out something for bowler brain

all i have is visual concepts i think

[dawn flicker]

Hygrodere variant

Murkydere (idk hygrodere - murkydere)

Figure:

• Blackish slime-like creature
• Has hands that it uses to pull the body to its desired designation
• Head (middle part of the body) has a white-yellow-ish glow to it

Behaviour:

• Minds its own business mostly, will hurt like hell when touched by it
• Own business: pathing into dark places, switching the breakers off
• When switched off breakers are turned back on, the first seen employee will be targetted by it
• Killing it is possible(!!) in two ways. Either jump on head (running into it will not kill it) or shoot it on the head with a shotgun (shovel cant reach unless touched by it)

[fathom spire]

bobbit worm's pretty final somewhat

just need to get into specifics with it

[tight moat]

variant Hygrodere called the Tsundere

[dawn flicker]

Lmao

[tight moat]

faster and does more damage but won't actually kill you

[dawn flicker]

Didnt see that one in the pinned comments and I had this one in thought for a bit of time xd

[dawn flicker]

If you guys like this one - I could make a little sketch on the weekends to represent how I’d imagine it

[warped shadow]

After rechecking it I messed up and ment to say venomous kek

[dawn flicker]

Some AI generated pics for this one.

[fathom spire]

oh i love the jumping on head interaction

[tight moat]

sloimy lil guye

[fathom spire]

very fun

[tight moat]

so he'd be shaped like an egg almost then

[dawn flicker]

Kinda yeah

[tight moat]

with a more bulbous glowing center for you to goomba stomp

[dawn flicker]

Mario like this

[fathom spire]

a sketch would be great yeah

[tight moat]

Spiked Boots would be a funny item

as a side tangent

Running around in my Headstompers tryna goomba stomp a thumper

[dawn flicker]

Yeah just thought these ai ones would be good enough to represent the entity - they are close enough how I imagined them

But not as outstanding face as these have

They are a bit tall to jump on

[tight moat]

adding a face almost makes it like

too personable

making it look like a big black fried egg would be perfect

[fathom spire]

i did envision bowler brain would interact with the breakers, so maybe this guy could use its appendiges to open up gas valves?

i know its gimmick is darkness, but it would still pair decently well with gas since it'd be harder to see

[dawn flicker]

Yeah originally i thought of it as such too 😄

[dawn flicker]

Oh that would be also good

They would work quite nicely together too

And if you close the valve he would be mad at the first seen employee and attack them

[tawny herald]

maybe its an ink blob?

[dawn flicker]

Something like that

And then go back to open the valves xd

Man he would be frustrating Im actually loving the valve idea

[sly sail]

sorry, idk how to cook and burnt it

[dawn flicker]

So something like this:

Hygrodere variant

Murkydere (idk hygrodere - murkydere)

Figure:

• Blackish slime-like creature
• Has hands that it uses to pull the body to its desired designation
• Head[NOFACE] (middle part of the body) has a white-yellow-ish glow to it and sticks out a little

Behaviour:

• Minds its own business mostly, will hurt like hell when touched by it
• Own business: pathing into dark places, opening valves
• When a valve is closed, the first seen employee will be tarzgetted by it, when out of aggro - he goes back to opening back up the closed valve
• Killing it is possible(!!) in two ways (without being hit). Either jump on head (running into it will not kill it) or shoot it on the head with a shotgun (shovel cant reach unless touched by it)

[tight moat]

Raindere

[fathom spire]

glad you like it lmao

[dawn flicker]

Burnteggdere

[sly sail]

reminds me of the RainDeer from rainworld

[tight moat]

Yolkdere

hold on wait

[dawn flicker]

Bros cookin

Lmao

[tight moat]

Zygodere
Zygo-
Zygote
Ovum
Egg

[sly sail]

so the hygrodere variant's origin as a whole is an egg?

[tight moat]

it looks like a big fried egg

[sly sail]

just like the thumpie pet and the lung dragon?

[tight moat]

no no no

it doesn't come out of an egg

it literally looks like a sunny side up from hell

[sly sail]

could have its origins on one tho(maybe bracken cooked it wrong and burnt it)

bracken was hungy

wanted some eggies

[dawn flicker]

Working on the origins will be fun too lol

[sly sail]

new bracken: pan bracken(just a bracken holding a pan)

pan bracken wanna cook

pan bracken doesnt know how to cook

pan bracken follow dreams

[dawn flicker]

Pancken

[sly sail]

pan bracken fail and create new creature

creature live in our nightmares

[dawn flicker]

Or just the company tried fire on aloe bracken - made a new entity

[sly sail]

why would they fire her? what she going to work on now?

she got dreams, she got experience

why dont they give her a job, she's good at many things

[dawn flicker]

They wanted cooked aloe lol

Now theres a mad little guy making ruckus opening every valve in its way making the facility disfunctional

[tight moat]

I love a bracken that just clangs you over the back of the skull with a frying pan

[sly sail]

be a chef, do crime

[tight moat]

like

identical AI

top to bottom exactly the same

but instead of stealing you, it clangs you

leaves the body on the ground

[dawn flicker]

Imagine talking to your employee colleague and then out of nowhere you just here a loud clang behind you, youre friend is unalived and Pan Bracken just stares at you with its scary pan in its hand

[sly sail]

would love that as a joke creature

[tight moat]

yeah since because he doesn't try to recover the body, he doesn't leave

[sly sail]

like, only spawning on april

or april's first week

[tight moat]

Pan Bracken stays in the area even after killing, there's no cooldown period where he scurries away

[sly sail]

(as for 1st of april)

pan bracken be like: nobody's gonna believe you

[dawn flicker]

And Pan Bracken is mad at murkydere.. I mean BurntYolkdere cuz he keeps opening valves and Pan Bracken cant cook

[fathom spire]

i fuck with the name hard

[sly sail]

heat induction stoves not working correctly

[fathom spire]

i mean it just looks like an egg

[sly sail]

burnt tho

[tight moat]

Pansexual pan bracken

[fathom spire]

LMAO

thats funny as fuck

[dawn flicker]

Zygodere actually is fire yea

[fathom spire]

yeah cuz it's like a gross sludge monster

(dont tell zygo i said that)

[sly sail]

i dont think burnt eggs are slimy tho

like

they just get hard

and kinda mushy i think(yolk)

[dawn flicker]

Mushydere

[fathom spire]

it'd be even funnier if it was just a bracken with a frying pan

and an apron

[sly sail]

mushydere just be a pile of hard burnt egg whites and a hard ass yolk

[fathom spire]

and like maaaybe those big tall chef hats

wait...

leaf moustache,,,

[dawn flicker]

That one would not move an inch

[fathom spire]

italian bracken

[sly sail]

can kinda use the yolk for it as it is kinda mushy and could move a bit

[dawn flicker]

I might just gave myself an idea wtf

[fathom spire]

it's not actually a burnt egg, it's just functional visual design lmao

like, a black blob with an obvious weak point

[fathom spire]

someone's hungry

[sly sail]

you just made me imagine it as a damn minecraft block

with a soft spot(like a baby)

[fathom spire]

(totally not me)

[fathom spire]

LMAO

[dawn flicker]

Yeah xd it’d be a slime that is black and has a yolk- … i mean a glowing middle part in it

[fathom spire]

dent

[dawn flicker]

That sticks out a lil

[sly sail]

"block mushydere after i jump on it"

I SWEAR, THE FUCKING NENUCO ALWAYS MAKES ME LAUGH

I CANT WITH THAT IMAGE

[dawn flicker]

Im dying

[sly sail]

i always look it up with the name of "nenuco mollera sumida"(in spanish cause well, its my first language)

[dawn flicker]

What about one that is a big chunk of white mess (also slime that cant move) if it “sees” an employee than it’d swing a tenticle at them in a piercing way , when hit - die. You can dodge it tho since it only has a certain range and can only pierce in one way (so dodgeable) but the tenticle is fast (has a soundeffect to it attacking) and then it slowly retracts it.

Tentidere

Spawn is instant in a random place in the inside when its chance to spawn is triggered on start

[tight moat]

ok like

what if you have to get past it though

[dawn flicker]

Just wait for it to start retracting its tenticle or theres space just walk by it

[tight moat]

oh ok so

like a turret basically

[dawn flicker]

Kinda yeah

[tight moat]

meat monster turret variant

or plant monster

plant monster turret variant works better thematically

[dawn flicker]

Like a plantish slime?

Was thinking this to be also a hygrodere variant xd

[tight moat]

yeah I'm stealing your idea and remixing it to be a plant

[dawn flicker]

Thats good too haha

Then it really cant move since.. its a plant

[tight moat]

yeah your slime couldn't move right?

[dawn flicker]

The white one wouldnt

[tight moat]

yeh with the grabbies

[dawn flicker]

Or maybe the plant could work as a grabber but a friend with a shovel can save you while it grabs you and slowly brings you to its body?

So its not an instant death

But a painful slow one if noone has a shovel near you xd

[tight moat]

well so

again, going off this being a variant turret rather than a quirky slime

turrets have 2 weaknesses

how they search, and the terminal shutting them off

you can't Terminal a plant so "how they search" can't be the only counterplay, needs a secondary thingy

allowing friends to shovel it off almost like a snareflea would be fitting

as, much like the terminal counter, it is a teamwork based counterplay

[dawn flicker]

Yeah kinda

Would the plant be outside?

[tight moat]

it can be inside but I could see it spawning outside as well

[dawn flicker]

Tbh both could work i think, slimeyboy inside, planty outside. And the slimey boy would be as i wrote previously with an instant death and the plant would be like a grabber.

I shouldnt be brainstorming at this hour tbh imma head to sleep now xd

[woven snow]

Haha, he believes lethal company is even optimized

[sacred ferry]

yea ig but still lol

[tawny herald]

collect a bacon bug burntyolk slime and cheese snareflea and give to pancken to create the ultimate bacon egg and cheese monster as a pet

[tight moat]

Which is why it's EXTRA important that we shore up the margins and not make it worse!

[woven snow]

why 1st of april?

[sly sail]

April fools

Joke creature only spawning on april fools

[woven snow]

what's that

[sly sail]

Just a day where you just make jokes and fool people for fun

[woven snow]

Wasn't that on december?

[sly sail]

Its mostly done over on USA

I believe in spanish speaking countries os done om december yeah

Idk what about other countries

[woven snow]

Well i guess it would be fun

but like

it would be a hard work for only 1 month

and he would had to finish it in like 10 days

[sly sail]

its not a priority and its not even accepted into the mod

its just a joke(although i would love to just have it)

[woven snow]

but WE need it

:communism_flag:

[fathom spire]

in the us and mostly worldwide it's on april 1st, but some countries (like mine) have it during december

[sly sail]

please monty, let us have it be a thing

we need the pan bracken

[fathom spire]

dec 28 i think?

[sly sail]

i think so

[woven snow]

Like OUR :communism_flag:

[fathom spire]

lmaoo

i mean, sure

it's just a bracken reskin

[woven snow]

no

it needs a pan

[fathom spire]

we don't even have to limit it to april fools you just gotta limit the spawn rate

[woven snow]

and a PAN sound

[fathom spire]

yeah, that's still just a reskin

like mechanically it's the exact same lmao

[sly sail]

its a bit of a change of both skin and behaviour tho

like, i mean

[fathom spire]

except it doesn't retreat after a kill

everything else is the exact same

[sly sail]

it would just bonk your buddy and if anyone is close just stay to stare at you

[woven snow]

It needs a 🍞 sound

wait wrong emoji

[fathom spire]

it's still an ohko upon contact, all you gotta change is the sounds and model

[sly sail]

mentally saying "they wont believe you"

and then go

[fathom spire]

HAH

that's better actually

[sly sail]

we need it

make it a thing into the list

just as a 1% of a regular bracken spawn

the most rare bracken to encounter

[fathom spire]

give lunar the base model for the bracken and get someone to code it and I will

[woven snow]

it would be cool if he would have a random chance of speaking words like: "It's your turn now" or "They wont believe you"

[sly sail]

idk how to get the models

wanna cry

[woven snow]

Unity asset stealer! (probably illegal in 39 countries)

[sly sail]

i dont think we should give it voice acting, although

lethal things mod has a talking plush(cookie fumo)

[fathom spire]

keep it simple imo

[sly sail]

who says pretty dark things at times

[fathom spire]

like it's a joke enemy lmao

[sly sail]

yeah

i believe the stare is enough

lil question

could it tea bag teammates?

like

you hear a BONK sound

you turn around and see the bracken tea bag your teammate

[fathom spire]

i mean, the coder can do whatever they want tbh

this is off my hands completely

though i'd rather it be rare and not be too different ai-wise to a bracken

[sly sail]

only changes would be

No carrying bodies

after kill stares(doesnt count towards anger meter), then leaves

[fathom spire]

i think it already stares at people post-kill

like brackens do

so it'd just be no body carrying

[tight moat]

yeah just by nature of you being near a bracken when it kills someone, assuming you're already in the bracken nest and it drops the body instantly, it's just gonna go back to its normal behaviour of "Oh you're gonna look at me? Aight time for me to choose fight or flight"

[tight moat]

I can picture that eye getting REALLY bulgy

just uncomfortable

[fathom spire]

my idea is that it can switch between peeking through the eye-socket and through the mouth

[tight moat]

oh I thought you were doing the ghost pokemon thing where it goes between the sockets

[fathom spire]

well, yeah but the other socket's not visible

and the mouth gap is right there

[fathom spire]

i can imagine it shaking around inside the skull out of fear/adrenaline

https://tenor.com/view/choujin-sentai-jetman-smoking-jetman-super-sentai-sentai-gif-21740464

[fathom spire]

thoughts so far?

[fathom spire]

happy with this design, but i kinda wanted him to be droopier, maybe he should be less droopy?

[dawn flicker]

Hes good imo

Cant really make sketches for the black slime.. theres no electricity in my street today lol

[fathom spire]

oh dangg

yeah it's storming out here too, hopefuly my power doesnt go out hehe

[fathom spire]

i can get on that as a sort of break from this guy

been working on him for 2 days already and i'm buuurnt outttt

sick of his fruity ass

[dawn flicker]

I’ll see if i can do something with a pencil or somthing xd idk if i have that tho in my flat xdd

[sacred ferry]

i kinda wana try and make a model of one of the more like complete monsters from here but ive been like kinda focused on school atm lol but tommorows my last day before spring break i can maybe make smthn then

[fathom spire]

oooh!! sick

good luck today and on your last day, looking forward to possibly working together 🙏

[sacred ferry]

ya :3

im mostly doin it for fun but i like this mod alot so itd be cool if smthn i made does get used in it lol

[dawn flicker]

I think a mod that is on this scale will need several people do make it happen

Im up for sketching , brainstorming and audio too

But we will need coder(s) and modellers and animators too

[sacred ferry]

yeah definitely lol

[fathom spire]

ye, though the prioritized entities are like the only ones i really, 100% want

or, ig want out first

[sly sail]

i dont really have experience on anything tbh, i can help come up with ideas for Lore/bestiary(but not writing it myself) and ideas for creatures

[fathom spire]

i've got an animator friend

[dawn flicker]

Yeah obv 😄

[sacred ferry]

only stuff i can really do is also just ideas and maybe models for the more simplistic creatures idk if im confident enough to do a real big/complicated one lol

[dawn flicker]

Prio creatures are completed in idea/lore etc?

[sly sail]

idk if lore, but in mechanics and maybe design

some can be polished i think

[dawn flicker]

Yeah on the design side i think they can be polished once they are modelled and animated

[sly sail]

i meant as a whole

like, the mechanics and stuff

[fathom spire]

i think an easy one could be the aloe bracken

you just change up the proportions and the plants in the back

that and lock dagger if you think you can do objects

[sacred ferry]

oo yea maybe i didnt take like editing base game models into consideration

[fathom spire]

yeah! a few of the designs for the biological enemies are made with base model modification in mind

[sacred ferry]

thats a whole other thing tho i gotta figure out how to like get models from the game lol

theres a unity asset ripper somewhere in the server ill prolly check that out if its easy

[sacred ferry]

yea maybe

[tight moat]

Hear me out

Jiggle physics on the eye dangling out of the socket

[fathom spire]

👀

i was thinking smth like that for tin lmao

[tight moat]

Tin doesn't need the body horror as much

Tin is implicitly terrifying

[sly sail]

should tin have bad coordination when walking and stuff?

like, there are 2 minds(parasites) in one body

[sacred ferry]

thatd be kinda funny lol

a struggle doing anything cus theres like 2 weird eyeball creatures piloting it that cant work together

[sly sail]

that's why they usually have 1 on body and 1 on the weapon(turret)

but when turret is gone what will turret parasite do?

nothing? nuh uh, that's boring, no one likes to be bored

[tight moat]

I pictured that he would rotate at the waist

so the legs do their own thing while the upper body kinda just spins around

[sly sail]

TinTin go "Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

[clear flare]

oo oo aa aa

[tight moat]

monki

[tawny herald]

it would be funnier if they were fighting for control

it would be funny if theyre just speaking to each other when no ones nearby

so if youre walking past and youre behind a wall you can hear them arguing about if a bricks red or brown

[fathom spire]

maybe

i was just thinking since his melee form (when the gun dies first) is a bit sillier it could have some horror elements

[fathom spire]

MONKEY!!!!!!!

[sacred ferry]

when the gun is left alive does it just like fall to the floor and shoot around wildly hoping to hit you or does it maybe like try and crawl away awkwardly or smthn lol

[tight moat]

the idea is that there are two variants of the gatling gun

if the gun is alive, it auto-fires which means it's more accurate and you don't need to spend stamina to shoot it

but also, it can target allies

if you kill the gun you have to manually crank it which spends stamina and the lower your stamina is the less accurate you are

[sacred ferry]

ohh that makes sense

thats alot cooler ithink actually

people were talking about them being able to talk itd be funny if it could like talk to you sometimes if you left it alive

[fathom spire]

i think it'd be so funny if it made noises sometimes

like, incomprehensible alien speech

like dibi deh eugh ege geege

https://tenor.com/view/alien-cat-gif-12994496725234862405

[sacred ferry]

hell yeah lol

[high briar]

I knew this existed! Who was looking for it?

Haha I love light guy.

Reminds me of the game Carrion or even Prototype I guess

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1216821603485094009

[fathom spire]

me lmaoo

[fathom spire]

oh wow! never saw that moon, cool stuff

[high briar]

Oh I mean maybe someone else needed brick in mod suggestions or something. But I couldn't find where it be or mod be from.

[tight moat]

The guy that I pinged

[fathom spire]

yeah that was me lmao

i removed it after finding the mod

[cobalt turret]

We return

[fathom spire]

hi maser!

[cobalt turret]

Masa almost folded

Thought you said master 😭

[fathom spire]

LMAO

[cobalt turret]

Masa saw Nut talk

Lethal Weapon is 2 parasites yeah. Masa thought it wouldve been a cool idea if the eye holding onto the gun passively was visible in the pitch black darkness inside of the automaton's coat

[tight moat]

Are nutcracker eyes glow in the dark?

[cobalt turret]

Dont think so..? But that adds more to the creepiness of the eye in the coat because you dont recognize it right away like how people still to this day dont even know aobut the eye in the Nutcracker's mouth

[tight moat]

seems like it's just going against the established canon for cool factor

when in reality, nutcrackers are an auditory telegraph, you always hear them before you see them

[cobalt turret]

Eh?

[tight moat]

Vanilla nutcrackers

no glowing eyes, very loud so seeing them in the dark isn't even a concern

and all the variant nutcrackers are equally as loud

so giving them glowing eyes would be weird I think

[cobalt turret]

Who suggested for them to have glowy eyes?

(Havent read through 100% of the forum history so Masa knows skimmed detais)

[tight moat]

you said visible in pitch black so I figured that's what you meant

[cobalt turret]

Oh, no. More like, the fact that a white sphere in pitch black darkness would very much make itself stand out when you DO notice it

[tight moat]

I see I see

[high briar]

Oh hmm big think. You'll ever seen animals that live in cave systems and their species hasn't been exposed to light in a million years? They're so colourless. But I think in this game's aesthetic that would be a little too uncanny and stark.

Very spooky though

[tight moat]

this isn't a weird biology puzzle

we have a canon eyeball parasite

and it's living inside of a big toy soldier

dude's got a gun....

[high briar]

I like that one if you can animate it well

Oh I thought you meant the rolling eyeball enemy

Like futurama says "you can't prove it won't happen"

[cobalt turret]

R-Rolling Eyes? You mean that cacodemon looking thing?

[high briar]

Reminds me of a biblically accurate seraphim (angel)

[dawn flicker]

@fathom spire did you work on the black slime? Imma sketch it today i think

Im so hungover lmao being late from work 😅 and ive got a meeting with the boss in about a half hour 💀

[fathom spire]

ah no, i mostly spent yesterday playing games and taking a break from drawing, got a biit burnt out

but go ahead!! try your hand at it if ya want

[fathom spire]

ooooo shit good luck

[cobalt turret]

Raaaah just got an idea for a entirely new creature ;w;

And got all fired up when Masa started to also think "what would work as creatures inhabiting a Forest Moon/Arid Moon/Snow Moon, or also, Wesley's Moons?"

We making concepts GALORE

[dawn flicker]

What creature Masa?

[cobalt turret]

A manta creature that mimics a human bodyshape faintly in its inner middle area (kind of like a harpy) which attracts humans like sirens and coaxes them to wear them like capes, either to just hitch the ride among a stronger being, or feed off of them. Had 4 four variants for them too (thanks biodiversity) but the 'main one' is basically called the Mantle Ray

:D

Other variations didnt have a confirmed name design but to basically imagine the other variants in a nutshell..

Shroud Siren, Hirudo Cape, Cloaked Reaper

'Hirudo' is a type of leech btw. Thought the name sounded fun because you could mistake it as a japanese-english way of saying 'Hero'

[dawn flicker]

Would look like a red superman cape xd

Then BAMM wraps around you neck and rip

[cobalt turret]

Yeah they're all supposed to look like capes basically when you wear them. Think like, Helldivers 2 Capes but made of, well, mantas

The overall-ish aesthetic Masa had in mind for them was Lilith from Diablo 4

...The uh.. teaser trailer version.

Howeverrrr

They're not just cool looking capes. They're also your pet/buddy that can provide you a boon(s) if treated right (and fed well)

Ranging from basically easy to hard when it comes to the variants, you have the Manta, Siren, Leech & Reaper, all able to provide you a boost when worn, being examples like... gliding, turning invisible, soothing one creature of choice to a passive state/soothing a player out of a Masked/Snared state, health regen with endurance in trade for health.. opposite of regen and not so strong attributes at other times and even just a free melee button without the need of a shovel/stopsign/yield sign/modded weaponsign

That's all for now. Hot single 'women'manta rays in your area ready to cuddle! (may have the face of a leech or just a literal skull)

Back to SubspeciesBiodiversity™️ Montytrademark_ownership chatter :D

[sacred ferry]

i had a thought involving wesleys moons and this mod idea thing but havent thought of much other than a nutcracker variant exclusive to cosmocos that has the like purple beam thing when scanning the area and a weird like purple parasite inside

[dawn flicker]

Lmao

[sly sail]

he doesnt like the way the other 2 are talking, he's going to tell on mom(ik its a reference sheet, but looks funny)

[torpid summit]

this is the greatest thing to come back to

[fathom spire]

LMAOO I DIDNT NOTICE THAT THE FRONT REF LOOKED LIKE IT WAS POINTING AT THEM

HAHAHA

[fathom spire]

glad you like it LMAO

[fathom spire]

done-zo

[tight moat]

He looks like a soyjak

[fathom spire]

gotta make the color adjustments people told me abt and then i shouuuld be good to go

[fathom spire]

he is

[dawn flicker]

alright guys

dont expect too much

just a lil 5 min sketch xd

[tight moat]

EGG

[dawn flicker]

🥚

[dawn flicker]

xd

[sly sail]

egg likes valves

valves and pipes are egg's safe space

[still cloud]

is anyone codimg this now

almost hitting 10k coders

[fathom spire]

nope! not currently

waiting on having atleast 1 3d model to post in #1210315682613436446

well, not waiting

working on

[fathom spire]

THE BOY

he's sick

got distracted cuz i scheduled some terraria today with friends once i finish coloring the wax sheet I'll get on sketching this guy

[cobalt turret]

Oh wow we really are close to getting 10K messages lmao

[sly sail]

many ideas and memes

also 2 nenuco dolls with their heads flatened(i did send those sometimes)

here's a third one cause i never get enough of this thing, i just love it

[cobalt turret]

Bruh- xD

[alpine rain]

[cobalt turret]

[fathom spire]

too much yapping lmao

[fathom spire]

you can check pins if you wanna check out some of the ones we have!

most i can provide a visual reference for, but a few are not designed yet

[cobalt turret]

real LOL

[fathom spire]

there's also the docs that have additional info on some categories + the art i've made for them

[fathom spire]

GANG

IT'S ALMOST READY

BUT

BUT

I NEED TO KNOW

COLORED EYE OR COLORLESS

#artwork

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/815362460617146368/1220338881065648138/image0.gif

[tight moat]

yeah they can have an iris

[fathom spire]

cuz like

on the drawing the iris only looks good from the front

but

i know for sure the letcom filter will make the iris look fucking INSANE