Biodiversity - Expanding upon LC's fauna and their relationship with their habitats.

[tawny herald]

i have to say i do not know how to texture

[fathom spire]

[tawny herald]

ik

only model

[fathom spire]

i can do the textures 👉 👈

[tawny herald]

i could try but

[fathom spire]

if you want you could try! but i can take over if it's a bit hard on you

i dont think it'd be hard to do lethal company textures, most of them aren't exactly drawn onto the models

[tawny herald]

i think they’re more like colors

honestly

[fathom spire]

you can see many cut offs in the brackens textures (though tbf you never get to see its textures much)

and also yeah the leaves are just a flat color

:P

[sly sail]

which i think could make a bit more difficul to implement succulent aloe vera leaves

in case you dont want to not make em flat

[fathom spire]

i feel like it wouldn't be too hard tbh

[sly sail]

it wouldnt

but the feel on graphic could maybe change

and thing is

bracken is like that cause you are not supposed to really see it entirely

or ever have a full view on it

and the red coloration helps on the being in the dark thing(made people think it was fully black before)

[fathom spire]

ye

[fathom spire]

exactly, yeah

but still, a lot of the other texturing on lc isn't that crazy

only main rule is that you GOTTA make it have contrast

like, the spider's textures are doodoo

but ingame it looks so good beacuse of the shaders lmao

[sly sail]

goofy A spider

[fathom spire]

a shader changes everything

[sly sail]

still goofy, but looks dirtier

[fathom spire]

only if you see the face tbh (which you ||almost|| never will)

but yeah texturing's probably not gonna be that hard

only thing is the rigging's gotta be proper

that's about it

OK BACK TO STUDYING IVE BEEN PROCRASTINATING FOR TWO HOURS

[sly sail]

im always like that

[ocean minnow]

👀

Oh ye .. enemy shrinking.. one day^^

[fathom spire]

LMAO omg hi little company op

of courseee... one day 👀

[grave vector]

These are VERY likely because the dev didn't do any UV maps and instead used an Auto-UV tool.
The player character is similar and this likely why most textures in Lethal Company are either messy like the bracken or just flat colors.

All makes the seams less noticable but doesn't completely cover them up.

Left: Default Player UV
Right: Reset and Auto UV'd Player in Maya

Comes with a similar effect of weird seams and the need for simple textures.
There is ALOT wrong fundamentally with Lethal Company models loll

also all the red means the UVs are straight up just backwards...

[sly sail]

it might be wrong, but it kinda look good ingame tho

[fathom spire]

oh jesus lmao

[fathom spire]

oh yeah i think it does

but you can tell models are rough even if you don't know much about modelling and texturing etc

[grave vector]

Nah, you're good
They definitely do alot to cover it up and the game has charm. Totally valid and fair to like how the game looks.

It's just not polished.

[fathom spire]

the shaders is what makes everything look good

[sly sail]

another thing to keep in mind this is all done by a single person

so

[fathom spire]

if you ever play the game with hd company and turn off post processing you'll see how shite the game actually looks under the surface lmao

[sly sail]

zeekers did an amazing job with this game to only be one person coding, modeling, creating lore, etc

[grave vector]

Lots of games are, they're just definitely more of a programmer then they are an artist lol

[sly sail]

true, and not every game is the same

for example, stardew valley is also only made by one person, but has a different gameplay design and art design

[grave vector]

I do LOOL
I can't stand the shader. Hurts my eyes but it does work really well with the textures and all

[fathom spire]

ye, you can tell by how most of the designs in lethal company are functional rather than aesthetic

[grave vector]

Game doesn't have to look good to be carried by it's near perfect gameplay loop that's for sure

[fathom spire]

only monsters that are fully non-functional in their visual design are giants, hoarding bugs and baboon hawks

[grave vector]

Also the animations are all good which is surprising, it's just some under the hood stuff that could be fixed

[fathom spire]

they have a ton of design aspects that don't fully relate to their role in the game

[fathom spire]

mos def 🔥

[fathom spire]

OH lmao, to each their own

i tried it once when i set up a config for a friend who has a potato pc and it looked alright on the inside of facilities

but everywhere else it was uuh

very roblox looking

[grave vector]

But I also play with a CRT shader that does a similar job haha

The game sure do be smunchy

[fathom spire]

oo, do you reshade for that?

i think that was the mod that did that, don't fully remember

[tight moat]

Every time I look at Zeekerss' UV files I get a lil less upset at my own

[grave vector]

I do, I do
It's all reshade I believe

[grave vector]

Zeekers UV's make me feel physically ill...
some are just backwards... Not even Maya AutoUV leaves them backwards

[fathom spire]

use reshade* :v

i'm so burnt out my ass can't even text right

[grave vector]

ADDING this because Honey Beetle needs love:
Slowly shuffles across ground toward nearest beehive. Extends legs and plucks the beehive off the ground, bees included. Proceeds to bring it towards its nest (maybe some sort of termite mounds type hive) If the player catches it and smacks it with a shovel it'll drop the beehive and fall on its back making weird beetle squeeks. Beehive will no longer have Bees on it. Beetle will flip over and crawl to nest, despawning.
Just a general gameplay concept I briefly spoke with @fathom spire about. Also possible interested in modeling a few of these enemies

[fathom spire]

i been studying today gang but after it's all done and dealt with I'll post a summarized version of the honey feeder stuff i came up with w/ meat

[cobalt turret]

Would be even funnier if it threw the beehive towards someone and it got stuck on their face

Which.. You know, the bees will attack afterwards so its pretty lethal too

[sly sail]

from the little thing meat said i think no bees will come out with the hive if it gets its mouth onto it

[fathom spire]

during the trip the bees are consumed yeah

[fathom spire]

that's a funny ass concept though lmao

https://tenor.com/view/stone-casting-throw-stones-gif-17442163

[sly sail]

https://tenor.com/view/harmon-quest-bees-shocked-surprised-fly-gif-16368696

[cobalt turret]

Maybe a Baboonhawk variant xD

[sly sail]

it is the honey feeder i think

just a bit of an alternative view over it

so, i think it was a hoarding bug variant

[cobalt turret]

Well yes, but you misunderstand Masa's meaning. Was moreso saying that the beehive throwing could be part of a Baboonhawk variant

[sly sail]

oooohh

could be fun

honey yeeters

[cobalt turret]

Maybe the gorillaherron, a big Baboonhawk variant based on a gorilla and a herron

Actually no, the Chimpgull would be better. They'd throw shit and yoink shit around like a annoying smaller chimp + seagull variant

[tight moat]

Y'all are sleeping on the HummingGibbon

[fathom spire]

you mean the one with the neck sack?

[cobalt turret]

The what

[tight moat]

Hummingbird + a Gibbon Monkey

[tawny herald]

they’d also eat scrap

gorilla would have arms and would hop around ramming into shit

[cobalt turret]

gorilla really do be playing warioland

Gibbongull

GABBAGOOL

[tawny herald]

it would also throw scrap and players

[fathom spire]

completely unrelated to anything rn, just wanted to mention it

@sly sail i think you should def be the one to write most if not all the bestiary entries when we get to building the team etc etc

[sly sail]

oooohh

idk

[fathom spire]

since you're big on biology you could really go in depth about some stuff i wouldn't even think about lmao

[sly sail]

im more of a technical than a lore person

i preffer to think of mechanics

[fathom spire]

i can make some grammatical corrections and give you some guidelines for what you should and shouldn't include (gameplay info wise)

[sly sail]

or maybe descriptions to appeareance

[fathom spire]

oh then you can just help out on that

[sly sail]

but idk if i may be able to make bestiary on sigurd's eyes

or just bestiary on itseld

(thought i left queue, let me play this match)

[fathom spire]

eh, we'll figure it out!

[sly sail]

(playing sombra as i should, love that mexican bitch, booping people, hacking stuff)

Ok im back if you still want to discuss that

over the biology part

i could help over why some species are that way

or the scientific names maybe

although im 16 and havent touched a school in over 2 years now

[fathom spire]

ya boy passed that shiiit

gonna work on shit aaaall night long baby

[sly sail]

Kinda out of Mod idea topic, but got some troubles with Battle.net(idk if anyone uses it to play any games from activision or blizzard)

and i think its a me problem and not much of a battle.net or overwatch problem

and idk who or where to ask, as i already found some solutions but idk how to use em

cant get battle net to install now...

[fathom spire]

oh nah I'm sorry brother

I've never played a blizzard game so I wouldn't know

[sudden condor]

I love the loot bug variations so much 😭😭😭😭

I want to hug them all

My favorite is the loot bee bug

[fathom spire]

aww thanks!! those are my only fully own ideas, so i'm glad you like em :]

[fathom spire]

you mean the light bug or the honey feeder?

[sudden condor]

Oooh I mean the light bug but the honey feeder is cute too

[fathom spire]

ye!! light bug's the first one i ever made, it's just a a lil babye

[sudden condor]

Baaabbbbebebe

I think the honey feeder needs a derpier look

More loot buggy looking

Do you got a higher res pic of all three of the bb's? It's hard to see all of his details besides the obvious ones

[fathom spire]

oh yeah i'll send some

all the ones i've posted are screenshots cuz i was too lazy to make pngs of each of them separately :P

though, i did draw honeyfeeder in an aggie.io with a 2pixel brush, so naturally it's low quality

[fathom spire]

maybe, yeah

it's actually just a lootbug with a hardshell that's always looking down

[sudden condor]

Lemme know when you post them

I'm a loot bug Inspector, I'm the loot bugs number #1 fan

The loot bug queen

My transformation has already begun

[fathom spire]

there ya go!

put my artist tag on there just in case

[sudden condor]

Behoooold! My new form!
Omg he's so angry looking

I think it's the glowy white eyes that are off-putting

He looks very frog like

Reminds me of this frog djdjdhdh

The don't starve frog

[fathom spire]

ye, they're hidden so he isn't intimidating at a first glance

when he's angry though (leg extend mode) you can see his eyes very clearly

[fathom spire]

YEE

he's a cross between a frog and a beetle

atleast design wise

big, gross gaping mouth, slow waddling movement with alternative fast burst movement

[sudden condor]

XD

[fathom spire]

god i hate those things lmao

[sudden condor]

He is kind of gross but I didn't wanna be mean

[fathom spire]

oh nah he's supposed to be nasty

they're all supposed to be atleast a little nasty

[sudden condor]

But water bug and light bug are cute

[fathom spire]

i think the main thing that makes bloatbug gross is the... breathing reed trachea

[fathom spire]

well, sorta

[sudden condor]

Light bug reminds me of those little bees from hollow knight

[fathom spire]

light bug i mean

light bugs open up and show their insides when they're angry

[fathom spire]

OMGG

i love these

[sudden condor]

I like the idea that they're very cute at first but then they're gross and ugly when angry

Like the loot bug

He's cute when he's calm

Ugly when he's floating. Bloat bug should be cuuuuter to fit with that theme they got going on

Hollow knight bees are precious

I hope there's a yipppeee option for them too. Likeee not the exact same yipppee noise but a different yet similar one to fit with the loot bugs fan canon noise

Really looking forward to the sound design for these little bugs

[fathom spire]

i feel like the big, black shiny eyes are already doing their job there

[fathom spire]

oh i thought of noises for them all

[fathom spire]

I'll be working with a friend soon-ish to work on some beta sfx for some!!!

then there was some other person who suggested doing some sfx

[sudden condor]

Wait which is bloat bug? The honey one?

[fathom spire]

spinmaster i think?

[fathom spire]

about the eyes?

[sudden condor]

Looking forward to it

[fathom spire]

or abt the sfx?

the sfx would be for all currently planned entities

[sudden condor]

What are the bugs names, what do you call them?
Light bug is confirmed but idk the other two

Oooh I just read pinned, I'm silly

Whenever I said bloat bug I meant honey feeder

[fathom spire]

oh..right i just realized i never put names on their concept arts like i originally did the light bug

[sudden condor]

Sorry for the confusion

[fathom spire]

they're all currently in pins (the names i mean

light bug, honey feeder (the beetle dude) and the bloat bug

[fathom spire]

yerr

[fathom spire]

oh nah you're goood

[sudden condor]

I like the names

[fathom spire]

there's also google docs detailing their behavior if you're interested in reading abt them

though honey feeder's probably gonna get revamped

just on the mechanics and behavior side

[sudden condor]

Hmmm so light bugs never attack the player?

Interesting

When would they use their intimidation technique in that case?

[fathom spire]

||unless the apparatus is taken, they will not||

[sudden condor]

I thought they just attached to it when they see you take it

[fathom spire]

they're mainly designed to be helpful creatures that you can take advantage of during a scavenge

[fathom spire]

they do, but until they get to you they're in that form

plus while they're attached they grab on with their "tentacles"

[sudden condor]

Do they do damage overtime or just slow you down?

[fathom spire]

they slow you down in the sense that they ||add weight to the apparatus||

plus they also ||attract predators through being attached to you, since their pheromones attract them||

[sudden condor]

So it's more of a passive aggression

[fathom spire]

the purpose of ||the pheromones|| originally is to attract mates, ||but sadly they also attract bunker spiders||

[sudden condor]

Rather than direct

[fathom spire]

yeah! it's just a way for them to be aggressive without actually being aggressive

[sudden condor]

Like Peepers

More glowy friends

[fathom spire]

bloat bugs are more vicious and honey feeders don't like getting robbed lmao

bloat bugs will straight up try to bite at you if you go under them while they're in their floating state

and will eat any corpses they locate underwater in a radius

[fathom spire]

basically!

[sudden condor]

I love it

Very good ideas for them both

I really hope your mod gets a lot of support

It has a lot of potential

Idk any lethal enemy coders but maybe you could ask @weary goblet if he knows anyone interested

The person behind https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1185408109414449202 might be able to offer advice too

[fathom spire]

maybe!! just waiting on someone to show up though

don't wanna bother anyone really

whoever decides to work on this i want it to be their decision

modding is born from passion after all

[fathom spire]

oh definitely, i've seen xu ask them a ton of questions before

aloe design concept!

(just to be clear, these are attached to its hips, not the elbows

[sudden condor]

Looks like she's about to throwdown

Is she gonna rip off my head and dunk it in a hoop?

[fathom spire]

oh yeah she looks like she's cracking her knuckles lmao, didnt notice

[fathom spire]

she's more of a neutral entity

[sudden condor]

Oh?

[fathom spire]

no docs written on her, but she's also a sorta helpful but very dangerous entity

[sudden condor]

Would love to hear all about her

[fathom spire]

@cobalt turret could tell you about her, they're the one who came up with most of the concept

[fathom spire]

testing color palettes

feel like this might be one of my weaker designs tbh, but since its whole thing is that it is easily confused with a bracken i can't really do much

im gonna wait on people's thoughts before making any more progress on this one lmao

[cobalt turret]

Tbh thats not its WHOLE thing

[fathom spire]

well, yeah

but i gotta make that a possibility visually

[cobalt turret]

If you wanna play more with the design you can forgo that

[fathom spire]

nah, i think it'd be cool if you could confuse the two

i'll play more with the design during the healing phase

that's when its face would get more interesting

[cobalt turret]

Aloe saliva ayo???

[sudden condor]

Would it be an indoor or outdoor enemy?

It looks like more of a natural creature that would thrive in a desert environment like assurance

Aloe Vera Bracken

[fathom spire]

i mean where else would it come from!!!

[fathom spire]

it does look a bit too sandy, yeah

here's an idea of what the healing phase could look like

[sudden condor]

Spoooky

[torpid summit]

If i wasnt 5 minutes away from going to bed there would be fanart from me already

[fathom spire]

LMAOO

there you are

[torpid summit]

im GOING to draw her,

tomorrow tho

[fathom spire]

anyway, this is just the firs itteration, i dont know if maybe the color palette's the problem or what, but it feels kinda weird idk!!

[fathom spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/540392678802587675/1217030454129983508/GIRaM-TXUAAsUac.gif

GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAH LETS FUCKINGGOOO

[sudden condor]

Reminds me a bit of groot now that I think about it

I am Bracken

[torpid summit]

might be the palette, it’s an incredibly bright green but I don’t think a dark green would be good either

[grave vector]

Maybe a more arid base skin color like a brown or tan could bring it together better?

Also a flowering aloe plant might be some good inspiration for it's healing phase?

[torpid summit]

meat ball’s onto something actually

yeah a kinda tan/earthy brown might work better

[fathom spire]

ooo

ok i dig this a lot more

so: change the flowers to be more yellow and the skin to be some other color

[fathom spire]

true true

maybe not full on earthy brown, but maybe a dirty green

and make the aloe vera spiky bits a less dirty green? dont know

will consider fellas 🫡

[grave vector]

Could even evoke more of a desert feel having it flair the more yellow/green flowers similar to a rattlesnake AND similar to the bracken when it's spotted

[fathom spire]

yeah

[torpid summit]

big brain actually

[fathom spire]

the green i used on the aloe vera is literally just the random ass green i chose as the base color to paint over before applying any palettes

[grave vector]

If I was home I'd sketch more what I mean
I hope that's not confusing loll

[fathom spire]

so it's really dry and boring looking

[fathom spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1151518283548328027.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=treelaugh

cooking actually

[grave vector]

I like that green but maybe more saturation would be good?

[fathom spire]

ye, wish i actually did this on a drawing program now cuz all i can do is just

hue shift it from a screenshot on fire alpaca

[torpid summit]

I wish you fellas luck i gotta sleep so i can draw ms vera tomorrow 🫡

[fathom spire]

cuz i dont think fucking aggie.io has anything to help with modifying existing colors

[fathom spire]

NIGHT NIGHT

im going to sleep soon actually

cya lazo 🫡

[mild bear]

I really hope a coder picks this up

Only way probably though is via bounty

[cobalt turret]

Nah, coders will have to advertise themselves rather than us giving out a bounty. You want a coder that can be just as excited for this mod, not some guy that does it only for the money

[fathom spire]

^^^

i really do not mind waiting at all :P

[cobalt turret]

Aslong as Masa can give out ideas Masa has something to talk about lmao

So this place ain't dying soon

[fathom spire]

oh nah I'll keep working on this as long as I don't get bored

even if we reach the 1 per entity quota I'll keep going

whether that would be revamping old concepts or freshening up designs I'll keep my ass set on making this the best it can be 🫡

THE CAPTAIN SHALL NEVER ABANDON THEY SHIP YE GET ME???

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1151518283548328027.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=treelaugh

[cobalt turret]

CAPTAIN? SHIP?

NEW GHOST GIRL VARIANT

THE FLYING DUTCHMAN

ARGHH

[fathom spire]

ARRRGGGGH

that could actually be a fun idea though fuck

GODDAMMIT MASA IT'S 2 AM YOU CAN'T BE DOING THIS TO ME

IM SUPPOSED TO BE SLEEPING

[cobalt turret]

A second spaceship suddenly appears but it seems to be abandoned and kaput. Though there's some neat scraps in there, or shop items you can yoink though... it seems that there's a ghost in the shell

SORRY

[fathom spire]

monty needs his gangster beauty sleep or else he'll go ape in the morning

[cobalt turret]

MASA HAD NEURON ACTIVATION WHEN HEARING THAT

[fathom spire]

FKSJFLSNFS GOD

[cobalt turret]

APE?

GORILLAHERRON

[fathom spire]

this is why you're a great asset ahaa haahahaa

[cobalt turret]

https://tenor.com/view/loot-bug-lootbug-hoarding-bug-lethal-company-he's-got-a-gun-gif-15647675227854893716

[fathom spire]

IDK WHAT TIME IT IS IN DUTCH WORLD BUT GO TO SLEEP

[cobalt turret]

6 am

[fathom spire]

go to sleep

[cobalt turret]

what if masa just woke up huh?

Masa did not just wake up

[fathom spire]

i know yo ass didn't just wake up cuz you were here two hours ago

[cobalt turret]

sleepwalking

https://tenor.com/view/meow-dancing-cat-cat-dancing-meow-meow-meow-gif-14608759981751543562

[fathom spire]

sure buddy, talk to the brick

[cobalt turret]

Masa's such a great asset that even while sleeping Masa cooks ideas

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[fathom spire]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-brick-throw-kiss-boys-gif-11348714524182573531

^ you

ok we're flooding the thread GOTOSLEEPBYE

[cobalt turret]

https://tenor.com/view/brick-gif-25032219

[cobalt turret]

go t osleep

[cobalt turret]

🧱

ok good night

https://tenor.com/view/bricks-brick-food-eat-meme-gif-14828762640844660771

[tight moat]

SIESTA, GO TO SLEEP.

[torpid summit]

soon.

[cobalt turret]

Can't help but feel like Aloe Vera looks out of shape 😭

[torpid summit]

I think the thought behind that was that she's a bit more beefy because she ends up carrying employees

so not out of shape per se but a bit more meaty

[cobalt turret]

Her hands are noodles tho, and her chest looks more bloat-ish. With the hunch she kinda looks like the hunchback of notre dame. That's just Masa's pov tho 😭

[torpid summit]

let me cook we'll see what happens

[cobalt turret]

Cook as many meals, Masa will taste em, Masa will devour them, Masa #$%Will%$^$%%con_SUME$%ALLofthem#$%

[torpid summit]

do NOT consume the brackens i put a lot of work into them

[cobalt turret]

Masa gonna put a lot of work in them too Or more like, they're gonna put a lot of work into Masa

[torpid summit]

ayo

[cobalt turret]

https://tenor.com/view/innocent-pea-angel-gif-10574675

[torpid summit]

DONT U BLINK AT ME LIKE THAT U KNOW WHAT U SAID

[cobalt turret]

https://tenor.com/view/no-rat-nuh-uh-nope-no-no-gif-11699607390227676176

[torpid summit]

dont nuh uh me‼️

[cobalt turret]

nuhUH

[torpid summit]

yuh uh!!!!

[cobalt turret]

nuh UhHhHhH

[torpid summit]

YUH HUHHH

[cobalt turret]

https://tenor.com/view/handsomeman-gif-3969600433481058369

We need a creature that goes ☝️ nuh uh

[fathom spire]

yeah her back is wider, her arms are longer and her legs support more weight

what is going ON rn

freaks, all of you

[cobalt turret]

Think with her back being wider, her front looks more saggy in result. Unless thats just Masa 🥺

YOU

[fathom spire]

[cobalt turret]

you

Masa spreading ideas after getting thrown 1 million bricks at (we built our house from rock n roll)

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-23548728

[fathom spire]

ah yeah def, she looks a bit notre dame-ish

lazo might be able to work with it though

[cobalt turret]

Glad Masa's not the only one seeing it then 😭

[fathom spire]

i also gotta do the "game accurate" look at some point

for all of these variants

some aren't needed like the bloat bug and honey feeder

[torpid summit]

Technically the regular bracken is the same way if only because their normal posture is kind of hunched over

[fathom spire]

but i feel like light bug needs an actual model reference cuz his design might be a bit confusing

[cobalt turret]

Masa might have changed Masa's mind on the Gorillaherron

What if it was a flamingo instead

Flamingorrila

[cobalt turret]

Oh yeah deffo. Especially if you wanna coax the modelers to be modeling your babies more to your vision in game

[sly sail]

Flaminrrila
(flamingo gorilla that uses Fire on its design and maybe attacks)

as in Flamingo
Flaming and Gorilla

[cobalt turret]

Yeah. Flamingorilla

'Flamin gorilla' xD

[surreal harness]

Wow I love this thread. I really like the world building and ecological details. I'm working on a mushroom moon where I've been fleshing out the ecology of the mushrooms species there too. Some of these concepts would be great on the moon though. I was playing with making pseudo custom enemies by modifying enemy prefabs on the map (doing things like making giants small and slow and keep a certain distance away so they just walk up and point at you lol). I'm excited to see how this goes. I planned on making something like the Fun Guy, though without any enemy programming it would mostly be tweaking stats, changing scale, changing the texture, and moving some bones around. Was going to call mine "Stalker" though, like mushroom stalks.

Anyways, can't wait to see how this goes.

[torpid summit]

beast that is disproportionately beefy in the shoulders and chest

like more than usual

[tight moat]

Stalker is so fucking clever and makes it sound not connected to bracken behavior lol

[fathom spire]

oh wow!! that sounds super cool actually :0

when/if these come out as mods in the future they'll probably be functional there aswell!!

[surreal harness]

Sounds great, I'll definitely make them dependencies if they come out then. Excited to see where this goes

[fathom spire]

i think at most a soft dependency!! a hard one could be annoying for people who just want your moon's content

also modifying creature stats to make behavior work differently's genius fr

[surreal harness]

Of course, a soft dependency is what I meant. At the very least I'll link it in the description. I plan to do that for CompanyCreatures since they have a cool mushroom hazard

I thought I was clever for figuring out the prefab thing, but I found out today Rosie's Moons already does this. I think I can make some unique things that expand on the idea though. So far from testing it's very limited compared to actually enemy modding though.

[tawny herald]

rosie’s moons is the alternate gordion right?

[surreal harness]

Yep, Gordion, Affliction, and Eve

[tawny herald]

haven’t tried it out yet but have it in my modpack so i’m excited to see what they all look like!

[sacred ferry]

wait did they add a third one thas cool

[surreal harness]

Came out today, lots of LLL moons nowadays. Close to 35

[sacred ferry]

holay molay

i wanna make a dumb custom moon but idk anything abt coding </3

[tawny herald]

same

[tight moat]

35 moons may be too many moons perhaps

[tawny herald]

i wanna make a moon that’s just a big block of cheese and name it quesir

but it’s extremely dangerous

[fathom spire]

how about 36

[tight moat]

that may also be 35

[surreal harness]

Here's a list of all of them if you're curious (with a couple other lists) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DIMxtYa64d8WkFnRGXLcx6Pi16bwTwHp69r8PUUo39o/edit?usp=drivesdk

[fathom spire]

isn't gorgonzola already a cheese-based moon?

[surreal harness]

Correct ^

[surreal harness]

Actually I missed Tolian's new moons, so we are at 36

[fathom spire]

ngl after waking up and spending most of the day not thinking about it, i don't hate the look on the left

i tried a new color palette on the right but im also not cooking much w it

i think i'll change on the left one

[surreal harness]

It's not bad. I think what feels most off to me is how the red parts on the face are positioned. The ones on the arms feel fine

[fathom spire]

oh fuck that's actually way better

[surreal harness]

Ooh definitely an improvement

[fathom spire]

yeah, they're supposed to be kinda assymetrical

[fathom spire]

switched out the shading

[surreal harness]

I tend to like asymmetry, but I think them contrasting a lot on top of that didn't help. But with the tweaks I like it

[tight moat]

maybe if it was more like catfish whiskers around the face

So a lil less random

[fathom spire]

i did try catfish whiskers, but i wasnt sure about it

bloat bugs already have catfish whiskers

i can do that though, might look better

[cobalt turret]

Why not make it look more like a butterfly mask?

[fathom spire]

i feel like those bend backwards too much to achieve my idea of how it'd secrete the fluids

[cobalt turret]

Hm.. That's fair. though maybe they could be inwards and non-yellow while inactive, and then bend forth and 'claw' t othe injured once it activates?

Could make the aloe further unique to have these features on her :3

[fathom spire]

made it blue so you can see the fluid better

this was my general idea

ut wiykd hyst

what the fuck

it would just*

secrete from the petals down into the held employee

[fathom spire]

oh my idea was that they just wouldn't be there unless she's either really angry or actively healing someone

would help her be less distinct from brackens while chasing people

which would make her actually scary, since you'd think she's actually dangerous

[fathom spire]

don't know if this is too weird or what, up to you guys tbh lmao

[tight moat]

LC actually barely has blue anywhere

[cobalt turret]

🤔 Yuh. Though Masa's starting to feel like it could look great if it came from the Aloe Vera on the back too, like waterfalls flowing down over her shoulders rather than a puss-like effect, unless you want it to feel a bit uncanny still

[fathom spire]

yeah, that's probably because it's an incredibly rare color in nature

[fathom spire]

oh i do want it to look freaky

if it could secrete from the back that'd be cool

i just don't know how she would heal you with it coming from the back

[torpid summit]

hey wait a minute thats what i was doing earlier

hold on

[fathom spire]

my other idea was that she would rip her hand off and heal you with the liquid dripping from her wound

then reattach her hand

from my experience aloe vera's sticky enough where you can just break a piece off one of the spiky bits and then reattach it with little to no effort

[cobalt turret]

She bends over and it flows like a waterfall over her shoulder while she stares at you

[fathom spire]

LOVE THIS BTW i didnt say nuthin but LOVE IT

[torpid summit]

I LOVE COLOURS

[fathom spire]

AH SICK

yeah we came to pretty similar conclusions lmao

[torpid summit]

yeah i was NOT diggin that green you initially used so I def think a more yellow/deserty kind of tone works better for her

[cobalt turret]

definitely like the second one

[torpid summit]

second one's a very muted yellow/green

[cobalt turret]

Masa will say though that both of y'alls designs scream more they than she while Bracken's over here being a literal himbo daddy bara fanservice chad 😭 but they look neat tho 👌

Actually no GOAT YOU HIMBO'D ALOE 😭

[torpid summit]

in all fairness. if I went more "fem" id be leaning into more human conventions of what conveys feminimity

[fathom spire]

yeah lmao it was definitely a placeholder

[torpid summit]

which. personally do not wanna do. brackens are silly and don't follow simple human gender norms

[cobalt turret]

Bracken looks like a ripped dude wdym 😭

[torpid summit]

we don't even know what the canonical gender of the normal brackens are they could be flowerwomen for all we know‼️

[tight moat]

Should take a poll on how much you should objectify the creacher

[cobalt turret]

Well.. t-the internal name.. says.. 'Flowerman'..

[torpid summit]

colloquial term coined by humans

not relevant

also thats for code purposes as well

not lore

[tight moat]

Yeah it's just a description of what we're already looking at

"kinda like a flower kinda like a man"

[torpid summit]

for all we know brackens are just both and don't display the same sexual dimorphism that we see in a lot of vertabrate

[cobalt turret]

Masa will still stand by Masa's opinion. That's Masa's critique

Though all this time we've been saying 'she' to Aloe Vera and the Flowery and only now is it explained that we are not going this direction.

So visions can get confused and blurry that way-

[torpid summit]

i mean for this mod aloe could still be considered she/her but that's just a Fun Fact™️ for lore reasons as we follow more in-line with the original bracken design

[tight moat]

I mean people call the green M&M a She even though she doesn't have boobs

's not that unusual

[torpid summit]

true

"she", as referred to by Sigurd, because Aloe is friendly. And friendliness is associated with feminimity, usually

[tight moat]

Simpgurd

[torpid summit]

true

me too sigurd me too

ALSO in all fairness she's like. carrying employees around even tho they weight like 11 pounds shhh so if the idea is that she could be mistaken for a normal bracken then it'd make sense for her anatomy to share a similar sillhouette with how wide they are in the shoulders and also just. be bigger. because unlike regular brackens she's actively pickin people up and carrying them a lot more than a normal bracken does, and for completely different reasons

so she's buffed up in certain areas anyway

and if she, in lore, is also considered fem and we say there is sexual dimorphism the females are typically bigger in a lot of species so this isn't out of the ordinary

[cobalt turret]

Dunno, but Masa's gonna play some more Helldivers.

Yeah, ognna play some helldivers. nice art

[tawny herald]

i love helldivers

top 3 favorites

[cobalt turret]

Gonna plan to make Helldiver moons once Masa knows how to make a moon :3

3 Terminid planets
3 Automaton planets

Then either via a S.O.S Beacon or by just learning how to do it, the enemies will come along with, which also will likely start with 3 Terminids & 3 Automatons

[tawny herald]

i wanna make helldiver player model

and spiders snare fleas and dogs become terminids

brackens nutcrackers and giants become automatons

for starters

i cant wait for new enemies tho

[tight moat]

Should add helldiver bugs to outdoors on moons

[fathom spire]

nah she's smaller

she doesn't have to be bigger to actually carry people, she just needs to weigh more and be physically stronger

[fathom spire]

well, atleast she appears as such

she's often hunched over so she might just be about the same height as a normal bracken, but she's just got bad posture

alright, since aloe's design is (sort of) done

who should i design next?

[topaz summit]

Does aloe have a written concept?

[fathom spire]

her mechanics have been fully concepted but I haven't gotten to writing the doc for her and the fun guy

[fathom spire]

(visually, i mean)

guess i could try my hand at bowler brain

orrr maybe tin turret?

[tight moat]

Tinman at Arms

[torpid summit]

she got bad posture she's probably taller and is just shrimping

[sly sail]

could she have a bit of a "deer" kind like antler on the ones over the eyes?, let me get an image of what i mean

(love these kind of antlers) maybe not THAT thick of antlers, but just the over all shape and braching
(no need for ears obviously, cosmetic just has them cause of it being "nine coloured deer" collab cosmetic for this season of the game)

[sly sail]

blue is not really common in nature either, which kinda makes sense

[sly sail]

Didnt read this yet, said a fact that already was said

[sly sail]

we could make her beastiary description have something about she being able to write(maybe story about a specific aloe vera)

like, that specific aloe learnt to write and read and that way she communicated with sigurd, or maybe this bestiary was made by another crew employee and not sigurd

we could make a new character for these bestiaries

maybe that specific Aloe made a name for Herself

so in the bestiary the author of said bestiary(or sigurd) could talk about it

although thinking about it, the "being able to write and read" would be more of a fowery thing as i suggested some minigames and she was able to kinda "write" or "draw" and comunicate with that what she wanted to do in the minigame

[torpid summit]

actually. no no. wait. you're onto something

[sly sail]

re-thinking over this, Flowery would be a lot more Primitive than what that specific Aloe did, so still posible to learn whole human english and alphabet

as she(flowery) would be using Pictograms and images to comunicate feeling, scrap and games

and wouldnt be too detailed either

(currently doing lil drawings to show the idea of how Flowery would communicate with players once made friendly)

[sly sail]

Love how i said this to making bestiary entries and then gave a pretty big idea for an aloe bestiary entry

[sly sail]

Idea of how Flowery would draw on the ground

green are scrap items(either she telling you to bring them to fidget or used on memory game)

Red are enemies(mainly used on memory game)

blue are the games(that's the way she would tell you what she wants to play, her being the drawn person)

i believe they look good(better than i imagined them to look)

even tho they are pretty simple and not at all at art lvl

bolt and flashlight could be better

(jester doodle just reminded me of this thing from deltarune)

[tight moat]

What if spider variant that's just a big hand

Cross towards you and grabs you and then if it gets you it teleports you to the deepest point in the entire building, wall master style

[fathom spire]

that's just kinda the secondary effect of having aloe bracken in a dungeon

[tight moat]

I guess you would just take you to the Bracken nest huh

[fathom spire]

like, she already grabs you and carries to far into the dungeon

ye, her favorite spot

[fathom spire]

oh shit!! this is super cute

[sly sail]

Flowery brackens may not be the most intelligent creatures, but seem to have found a way to entertain themselves doing humanlike stuff, collecting stuff they like, drawing, playing games

[fathom spire]

nah she'd draw like that

[sly sail]

Fun thing us that idk how to draw

Thats literally my lvl

[fathom spire]

and that's good enough

[sly sail]

I couls have tried a bit harder if it was a serious non simple thing, but idk if it could have looked as good

Specially the creatures

Im case they are not clear, you have a hoarsing bug, baboo hawk, forest keeper and jester

[fathom spire]

OHH ok the only one that was a bit confusing was the baboon hawk

[sly sail]

My first thought was to just draw heads and stuff

They i drew the hoarding bug whole and then the giant

[fathom spire]

i was like "ok that's either a slime or a ghost"

[sly sail]

I run out of space and couldnt really draw bodies

[fathom spire]

i do feel like flowery may be too complicated feature-wise for this mods vision (kind of like fun guy, who I'll figure out how to simplify soon)

[sly sail]

Like, couldnt remember the baboonhawk body

[fathom spire]

but this is definitely one of the more fun additions you've thought of for her

[sly sail]

Thx

I love my flower bb

She seems fun and cute to see over her safe space

[fathom spire]

it's def a lot more fun than your previous ideas for her, much love

[sly sail]

Just needed another focus

Like, without yalls help o could have come up with stuff

In that regard im pretty conformist

[fathom spire]

i could say the same for you bud

(sorry for the dark lighting)

some early design concepts for wax and tin

[tawny herald]

i think it would be cool if you took an aloe egg to the company building you could play games with it there to up your scraps value. If it’s memory you get a big multiplier and if it’s hide and seek it’s a smaller multiplier.

[sly sail]

i dont think plants lay eggs

i may be wrong(most likely not, eggs are an animal thing)

[tawny herald]

flower bud or something

or maybe a seed

seeds are kinda plant eggs

[sly sail]

i believe seeds take kinda long for them to sprout

[tawny herald]

it doesn’t have to be equivalent to real life

i mean we’re talking about a walking plant that heals you

[sly sail]

but the one who plays with you is Flowery tho

[tawny herald]

oh yeah

[sly sail]

i believe that aloe brackens can get to learn Human writing(as in english or anything that's on the facility)

but i dont think every aloe can learn

idk if i made my idea clear

like, in one case a crew got to a moon where they found an Aloe that was incredibly friendly and not shy

which used signs to communicate

(maybe started to stalk them a bit, but not really on a shy way, but a curiosity way)

[fathom spire]

something something egg expansion something something out of the scope of this mod

i'll look into writing the docs for the brackens today maybe

though, first i'll definitely need to narrow down fun guy's mechanics

[cobalt turret]

Tmw the egg expansion releases:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbY95zpqRzo

[tight moat]

I mean, what would you call a fruit though

[sly sail]

but its not an egg still

that's why its called a fruit

[tight moat]

Egg expansion 🤨 ||😳||

[fathom spire]

not actually gonna do an egg expansion btw, that's just someone else's idea

[sly sail]

lil question, is Nesting thumper(mama thumper) still having the egg hatching mechanic? or are we removing it as a whole and just having the territorial thumper?

[tight moat]

Thinking about how an egg-guarding thumper makes her like an indoor bees and I'm huge about that

[sly sail]

nesting thumper is an outdoors less mutated thumper

with 4 legs(indoor thumpers eat their hind legs when hatching)

said eggs wouldnt have much worth(from 0 to 10)

so you can either ignore them or hatch them having them a whole quota in you ship

then you have a nesting thumper pup

which can be used to scare off enemies indoors if they dont see it directly(only works on small-ish enemies)

[tight moat]

Oh God damn it

[sly sail]

also, baby can die

[tight moat]

So it is just bees

[sly sail]

so, careful

[tight moat]

It's bees (large)

[sly sail]

not really, the point of bees is selling

this is more of a tool

[tight moat]

You can sell a child!

[sly sail]

and pet, people like pets

[tight moat]

It's not a bad thing honestly

[sly sail]

do not sell a child

[tight moat]

But I got momentarily excited for indoor beelike enemy

A very dangerous enemy that will single you out if you take a thing

[sly sail]

i believe there is already a mod that's kinda that

haunted harpist

[tight moat]

Never heard of it

[sly sail]

is like a lil ghost with an harp

spawns indoors

harp can be played and has a big worth

dont remember number right now

to get the harp you gotta make the ghost drop it

dont remember how, maybe just taking it or hitting it

ghost will roam playing the harp indoors

[tight moat]

Does it chase you

[sly sail]

i believe harpist only chases you once you aggro it by hitting it or grabbing the harp

i also believe it makes Mario bros boo noises when aggro

[fathom spire]

mama thumper's staying maybe

[sly sail]

i meant more on the egg part of the creature

like, hatching and stuff

[fathom spire]

yeah

thats like, the mama thumper's whole thing

i dont think the concept of an outside thumper that interesting or engaging but the egg stuff's cool

[sly sail]

oh, nice

thing is, im still thinking that calling it Mama thumper is not an actual specie name tbh, like, maybe if you see a specific nesting thumper with eggs, but as a whole they should be named Nesting thumpers as they are thumpers and nest, not every nesting thumper would be a female

unless they do parthenogenesis

which would make it posible for single females to have their own children without males

which could potentially make posible a whole species to be females

[dusky slate]

Thought of a better name for this:
"The Reflection"

[fathom spire]

oh you cooked

[fathom spire]

nah yeah, mama thumper's just a placeholder/ coloquial term

[sly sail]

Maybe "The Reflected"?

like, the reflection could be anything, but a great name to know something specific and could also be a hint to know that it is in fact a reflection of someone and not a thing

let me check if that's an actual word

in spanish would be El Reflejo(the reflection) and El Reflejado(The reflected)

will check

yeah, it is a word

although thinking it a bit more, reflected would be the person inside the mirror

not the enemie

[dusky slate]

Thats What i was thinking.

[sly sail]

could there be anything to do if you get reflected?

like, any way to communicate with not reflected world?

[dusky slate]

Well we already talked about the whole "Press E to shake"

Were you could shake or maybe knock on it to make sound

[sly sail]

maybe you could get TP'd into a mirrored version of the world

and interact with stuff

like opening and closing doors

to let people know that you are not there

or in fact, you ARE there

people wouldnt see you, only "the reflection"(im still thinking about it, cause "the reflected" sounds more like "the masked" than "the reflection")

[dusky slate]

Tbh i think "the reflection" should be the entity and "the reflected" should be talking about the Crew member currently in the mirror

[sly sail]

yeah, that makes sense

but at some degree i still feel like "the reflected" resembles "the masked" more

although

"the masked" also refers to the person(player)

in which this case is a host to the mask

so still makes sense for the creature to be "the reflection"

because the reflected and masked are both victims to an entity, the mirror/reflection and mask

although maskeds are more of a victim and hostile at the same time, still a victim nonetheless

[fathom spire]

there's a mod that's doing something similar to that

so no

also that's just too complex

it'd stray away a ton from being a masked variant

[fathom spire]

yeah, same

alternatively if a mirror's too heavy on performance and we go with the painting angle the entity should be "The Painting" and the employee "The Painted"

[sly sail]

you mean the poltergeist mod? the one for spectators?

[fathom spire]

oh no i mean the cursed mirror mod

[sly sail]

ooohh

[fathom spire]

though, yeah, poltergeist also does that already

[sly sail]

i really like the poltergeist mod

although i havent been able to try the last update with the energy meter and stuff

my group have not been able to play in a while

and playing with random people sometimes is weird or just awkward

[fathom spire]

oh yeah playing with randoms is weird lmao

[sly sail]

you can always find THE group, the one that you wont feel awkward with, but at least, spanish groups(from spain, not just spanish speaking) are just weird

hate those(mainly cause they are mainly made of Cis,Straight male teenagers, which are just not what i like, their humor is just not good, pretty basic and many times gross, LGBTphobic, racist and/or misogynist)

just not good

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-kusanali-genshin-hoyoverse-mihoyo-gif-26501367

i end up like this Nahida

[fathom spire]

oh no yeah spanish spesking teenagers are the edgiest mfs

and i know that because i was one of them

[sly sail]

i never got into that phase, i always was the silent kid, not too noisy

and always was in my own world, never got into trends

[cobalt turret]

Relatable. In fact Masa created a trend by just being a dumbass

(Local trend, not famous worldwide trend obviously)

[fathom spire]

gang, would "the oyster" be a funny name for the fun guy? i want it to have an interchangeable name like the bracken does lmao

[fathom spire]

sorta like oyster mushrooms

[sly sail]

but its not an oyster mushroom

i believe it looks more like those that grow on the ground

the red ones with little white spots, cant remember the name atm

[fathom spire]

true, but the bracken's leaves don't look much like bracken either

[fathom spire]

true though

[sly sail]

i believe that's more of a low poly model thing

also, it intimidates more that way

like a peacock

[fathom spire]

this one looks like him

[sly sail]

i believe you should look for one that has a bigger cap

[fathom spire]

i mean it's sort of an exaggerated character design type of thing, but i get it

[sly sail]

yeah, i believe it kinda does resemble them

[fathom spire]

sucks cuz all of these mushrooms with big caps are just called "brown cap" or "orange cap"

[sly sail]

Orange guy

[fathom spire]

the brown cap doesn't seem like a bad name

but i'd want something easier

[fathom spire]

don't know if the no facial hair no beard's better than the old version yet but i kinda dig it

[tawny herald]

the red capped mushrooms are called amanitas i think

[surreal harness]

Amanita muscaria, also known as the fly agaric

[sly sail]

i just read amanitas and just reminded the me full name

[sly sail]

which ssencipe said(remembered before reading this)

[surreal harness]

Recently did a lot of very basic surface level research on fungi for the funny mushroom moon

[grave vector]

doesn't have to make sense in "earth/english" terms

Plenty of things have nicknames that reference something similar but aren't an exact fit.

The Oyster is pretty concise and sticks in the brain
or you can even mix concepts call him the Oyster Cap or somethin'

[sly sail]

maybe you can try and go to a word relate to the word but not exactly relates to the mushroom

oyster mushrooms are called like it cause they kinda ressemble oysters i think

maybe you could use "pearl" someone on their name

[fathom spire]

yee i like the oyster a ton lmao

it's also a really weird name for a mycelium monster, like you wouldn't imagine that's what it is from just the name

[sly sail]

lil question

if mushrooms are the reproductive parts of the fungus(mycelium) what does that make the fun guy?

[fathom spire]

penis man

[grave vector]

https://tenor.com/view/biao-panda-biaoqing-biaoarmy-chinesememe-gif-5524375538385396869

[surreal harness]

Did you ever put out a request for programmers in #1210315682613436446 btw? Could help get support for the mod idea

[fathom spire]

oh, yeah lmao

i never did

should probably do that

[tight moat]

omfg Monty

probably get a 3D model to show off first tho

attract some eyes with that

[grave vector]

ahh yes 3D of Model

[tight moat]

two way street and all

[cobalt turret]

Hghhh, been thinking of a PizzaPlex interior idea this whole time now and not even because of FNAF security Breach or FNAF in general

But mainly because of the possibility of DJ Music Man roaming around

Sobbing 😭

Though this did give Masa the idea however for a Nutcracker variant that plays more on the fact of it emitting 'music' as its emotions, or a Jester Variant that just completely feels like it emits high key DJ Music Man energy

Never was a big FNAF fan or something, but DJ Music Man is super hype for some reason

So uhh... yeah, Masa will be writing up a few variants today!

[cobalt turret]

Also the Lethal Weapon & Wax Soldier design looks awesome, Monty!

Masa's original design for the Lethal Weapon was much more away from the 'toy soldier' vibe originally, being moreso focused on the 'parasite' inhabiting something, which in Masa's design case was a abandoned war machine (to pair up with Forge Behemoth & Coilhead lore) but this design is pretty cool too, and can definitely still fit

Btw quick question but should mech worm's name remain Forge Behemoth or should it be Forged Behemoth instead? Both fit in their design concept ofc but, dunno which sounds better

[fathom spire]

listen man i was studying last week

and these few days have just been me having some fun w friends

[fathom spire]

hiii meatball hahaaa

[fathom spire]

but i will get on shit soon, just been thinking about some reworks i wanna do etc etc

[fathom spire]

i think they could be interchangeable, i don't see why we'd need to stay on one

multiple names are a common thing in LC

just whatever we're feeling in the moment's good

also wdym by lethal weapon?

was that what the whole gatling gun idea was about? cuz i realize now i never went back and read all of that properly lmao

[cobalt turret]

Gatling Gun Nutcracker. Been calling it the 'Lethal Weapon' lately because Masa thought it was a funny and fitting name, referencing the movie and Lethal Company

[fathom spire]

this is the walking turret enemy i had planned some time ago

[fathom spire]

ooh then yeah we're on the same page lmao

[cobalt turret]

Yeah the gatling gun nutcracker was the walking turret no? xD

[fathom spire]

meatball did suggest working on one, so whenever he wants we can get on it, just not gonna rush no one about anything rn cuz ik life's busy

actually wait i said he but @grave vector what's your pronouns?

[fathom spire]

ye ye

tin turret guy

[cobalt turret]

What do you think of the name 'Lethal Weapon' anyways?

[fathom spire]

an interior big enough to house forest keepers is such a cool idea gaaah

[cobalt turret]

HGHHH YEAH

[fathom spire]

hmmm

i feel like if it actively hunted you it'd make more sense

[cobalt turret]

Tried to convince Major to make a interior piece that was just a humongous loot rich area which is patrolled by a Forest Keeper

[fathom spire]

but tin turret's whole deal is that it's just a patrolling turret

haven't thought much about him though

so maybe eventually lethal weapon could work?

but so far he's just a walking turret

[fathom spire]

woo yeah woo!!! go maser

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bite-cat-stupid-stupid-cat-bite-gif-25168895

[fathom spire]

yeah i noticed that i haven't designed these with any parasites within in mind

[cobalt turret]

He could have 3 phases

• Patrol
• DAKADAKADAKADAKA
• Search

And switch between the 3 phases

[fathom spire]

could help make them feel more like organisms

wax soldier does have a skeleton inside

but that's like, the opposite of an organism

[cobalt turret]

Masa's Lethal Wepaon idea with the parasite was that it was two parasites; one acting like a strap for the gun around the body, the other controlling the automaton

[fathom spire]

i went more for the old timey feel the nutcracker has

[cobalt turret]

One watched the front, one watched the back

[fathom spire]

so wax soldier's another little soldier type deal, based on just a generic 1800s soldier

and then tin turret's sort of like an old timey villain in the first sketch

[cobalt turret]

The old timey feeling works yeah.

[tawny herald]

Lethal Weapon looks good!

[fathom spire]

then i realized that tin turret sounds a LOT like some old timey propaganda character or comic book hero

so i made him appear younger, like a sort of robin type figure

[fathom spire]

that's what this one is (the naked body was just to draw out what he could look like under the coat"

[cobalt turret]

Ngl, the mustache one looks much more personalized

[fathom spire]

he has a lot more personality yeah

[cobalt turret]

Yuhhh

[tight moat]

The Tin Turret is a good villain name

the mustache works

Nutcrackers are difficulty 1 right?

[fathom spire]

you mean like their power level?

[tight moat]

yeh

[fathom spire]

i'm p sure they're 1 yeah

[tight moat]

Tin Turret being power 2 would be justified I think

and then make him limited to 1 per map

[fathom spire]

i feel like tin turret should be a 2 and wax a 1

[fathom spire]

yeah mos def

[tight moat]

I would wax a 1

[tawny herald]

give him a long pointy mustache

[tight moat]

Waluigi stache

[cobalt turret]

Also a design idea :

So two parasites, means two eyes. However Masa thought, what if the one controlling Lethal Weapon's automaton watched the back, and the weapon of Lethal Weapon watched the front?

Which, perhaps there could be an eye hidden in the darkness of the cloak watching the front, while the eye watching the back could maybe be exposed in the back of the head?

Then, also to personalize the fella, maybe when spotting someone or by charging up the gatling gun, it could 'chatter' its teeth rapidly?

[tight moat]

his hand-cranked gun should make a music box noise maybe

like, Toreador March or some shit

I do like an obnoxious teeth clatter

[tawny herald]

five nights at feddys

[fathom spire]

nah i was thinking like

okok hold on

atleast when it's firing i was thinking it could be smth like this

https://youtu.be/It7MrzMzMQ8

obv faster lmao

https://youtu.be/SGnZxcS7VKA

so fucking funny LMAO

like imagine this mf chasing you with that tune in the bg as it gatlings you to death

[tawny herald]

i would def make a mod that changes all the nutcrackers sounds into the america national anthem when shooting

[cobalt turret]

Is Wax Soldier getting Ride of the Valkyries?

[tawny herald]

just really bass boosted

[cobalt turret]

Or Overture LMAO

[fathom spire]

hmmm

might be a bit too epic for an enemy that looks like a ＾-＾

[cobalt turret]

Also maybe if one parasite dies, the other could maybe play the trumpet to honor the fallen

[cobalt turret]

THAT SOUNDS HILLARIOUS NGL

[fathom spire]

thats a really funny concept lmao

[fathom spire]

oh i fuck w overture

cheery enough for him

[cobalt turret]

Interrupt the trumpet and you just get spam blasted and ACTUALLY be on the wrong side of a 21 gun salute

[fathom spire]

also i feel like wax could chatter his teeth every once in a while

[cobalt turret]

What if the parasite in Wax is inside of the eye socket of the skeleton that would eventually get exposed?

And maybe it sometimes opens that eye to kinda give that -wO creepy stare while the eye flicks left and right in search of any humpty dumpties to break

[fathom spire]

OOOH

WAIT THATS GENIUS

[cobalt turret]

Could also happen while its taking aim to fire because the eye would look like its STARING with no eyelids, showing that thats the way it aims liek a sniper

[fathom spire]

that's like duskull from pokemon

[cobalt turret]

Yes

[fathom spire]

where it's an empty skull with a light inside that simulates an eye

soo cool

yeah i fuck w the vision

[fathom spire]

oh nah wax is a melee nutcracker

[cobalt turret]

Same vibe as this guy

Oh the musket looked like it was gonna be the sniper nutcracker

[fathom spire]

oh no thats a spear asoijosa

it's a bit thick towards the bottom cuz i tried drawing a straight line like.... 5 times and failed

:]

[cobalt turret]

Maybe it.. acts.. like its aiming at you while chasing you, then stabs you?

Bro's stuck in the 1800's so much he reloads his melee attack

[fathom spire]

oo yeah, like he has a rhythm to his attacks

he'd definitely be hard to get rid of

i'm thinking he could (instead of patrolling) stay put in an area and act as a sort of trap

[grave vector]

He/Him They/Them 🤙🏻

[fathom spire]

and then chase the person away from that area, then go back to its position

[cobalt turret]

(Still kicks you if you are in the way while 'reloading' but instead it does 10 damage because wax and knocks you the fuck away)

[fathom spire]

sick sick

[sly sail]

isnt he like TOO DAMN BIG?

[cobalt turret]

That's why a specific interior

xD

[fathom spire]

if redwood giant exists why not have dj music man!

[sly sail]

but dj musicman is like an interior thing isnt it?

and usually interiors are like kinda small

well

[cobalt turret]

The CURRENT ones are small yeah

[sly sail]

not small, more like tight?

[cobalt turret]

No one has dared to make a very open interior yet.

Major's bunker entrance is the most open room Masa has seen so far

Heck, you could maybe make DJ Music Man a specific Interior only thing

So you can also make him move through the tunnels etc

Make him activate when Appy is taken

Once Appy is taken, globally hear his theme (and other themes) whilst he starts roaming around. Has a 'distant lullaby' version and a 'close proximity' version of his music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kPvSgZSdNk

Hear this shit through the entire interior

[fathom spire]

wait actually no fuck this LMAO

[sly sail]

Maybe a whole Fnaf centered moon and many Fnaf interiors exclusive to the moon?

[fathom spire]

made the head so comically large

[sly sail]

too much work

that's a whole new idea by itself

[cobalt turret]

Oh yeah no this is a entirely new idea. Masa brought it up here because it got Masa inspired to make variants based around a 'music maker'

[tight moat]

Wax Soldier gets a sword right?

[cobalt turret]

Spear

[tight moat]

Oh a spear ok

[cobalt turret]

Yeah. Supposed to replicate a 'musket with a bayonet' as it looks like

But yeah Masa honestly thought that Wax Soldier was gonna be the sniper nutcracker lmao, though hey, maybe you could have it so that the Wax Soldier has only one bullet inside of the musket?

Kinda like a hail mary shot when you are about to escape his aggro range, or maybe its the first thing he does before cahsing you with murderour melee intentions

Reloading a musket takes forever after all

[fathom spire]

meh, i feel like he'd be either too op or too useless with only one bullet

someone suggested a sniper nutracker a loooong time ago i remember

[fathom spire]

hmm

[cobalt turret]

Mean, he wouldn't exactly be useless because he would still do the Wax Soldier thing afterwards/before

[fathom spire]

ok i kinda do like the "one bullet musket that turns melee" idea

[cobalt turret]

Yuh

[fathom spire]

but a sniper's too much i think, maybe too sophisticated of a weapon

[cobalt turret]

Maybe thats the entire reason why it chases you melee

Because musket reload time sucks

Well yeah that's why Masa's saying a musket 😭

[fathom spire]

ye, maybe it could refill the musket once it goes back to position

[cobalt turret]

Yeah

Which, maybe if you run past him while its reloading it could maybe curse out something unintelligible while chasing you at 50% speed because its still reloading LMAO

[fathom spire]

LMAO i like that a ton

[cobalt turret]

"How devilish!"

"How dare they run! Back in my time running wasn't even invented!"

And then when its done its just like
"TALLY-HO YA BLOODY BASTARD"

Shot fired

OVERTURE STARTS PLAYING

[sacred ferry]

dat was me :steamhappy:

[sly sail]

it would just need to shoot far, no need for the telescopic thingy

[sly sail]

we could use old english for it(i dont know much about how its written or spoken, that part is for people who like to learn about language evolution)

[cobalt turret]

Its 'scope' is the wide open eye

[sly sail]

that

i meant more on the weapon itself

[sacred ferry]

i like that idea lole

[sly sail]

no need to have a button for scope

[tight moat]

A long range nut would need to be a Musketeer right?

[dusky slate]

"DasZombes" on Youtube had an idea similar to that. Basically whole new interior with one giant Minotaur entity that patrols around the facility. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKtsXjkDqlU

[tight moat]

The mansion is pretty open

[cobalt turret]

Yeee

Great idea tbh. Masa had a similar idea to both DasZombes & Masa's MegaPlex idea in the past which played more on the same kind of cosmic horror as 'The Stranger' from DasZombes, in which some interiors you encounter would feel off in a way, either because things feel too stretched, distorted, infinite or even big. This made essentially like, variated versions of the Factory/Mansion interior which felt much more liminal & eldritch in a supernatural way.

You'd have the stretched interior, which all rooms were double the size, distorted interiors which had rooms rotated on different sides, Infinite interiors which were well, infinite & mega interiors, which were basically normal interiors but scaled up to the point where a forest keeper would look like they're a normal employee walking around the room, and you the size of a keyring. The big interior would also in turn have bigger versions of enemies/scraps, but also smaller versions of enemies/scraps as if the scale of reality is being screwed with.

The 'Big Interior' would basically feel like how a interior feels like when you are playing with littlecompany on

[fathom spire]

oh god i fell asleep for so long

[cobalt turret]

Good awakening

[fathom spire]

ty maser

[fathom spire]

no i mean sophisticated as in you shouldn't give a player a functional sniper lmao

[sly sail]

oooh

[cobalt turret]

A musket however

Long range, big damage, but loooong reload

[sly sail]

still, give em a pew pew gun that shoots far

no scope, it just does

we got pew pew gun that shoots near

[cobalt turret]

Allow the ability to shoot from very far, but without a scope or crosshair so you still need to determine how to shoot. :3

[sly sail]

kind of like "Ashe" from overwatch

[fathom spire]

nah, too many guns

[sly sail]

although she can scope in

you can also shoot without scope

its a bit less precise and deals less dmg tho

[fathom spire]

like gatling was already my limit i aint doing another one

[sly sail]

but we dont gotta give that penalty to a weapon that doesnt have a scope

[fathom spire]

and i had to tweak the fuck out of gatling to make it not just another gun

[cobalt turret]

They're nutcracker variants, so we're also thinking about the weapon they hold and can drop 😭

Of course we're gonna be talking about guns!

[fathom spire]

ye of course

but uh

i made wax have a spear for a reason

and i made tin turret have a turret originally for a reason

weapon balance is a lot lmao

[cobalt turret]

People are probably gonna complain about the fact that Tin turret & Wax Soldier (& 3rd variant) would not give them anything as reward while the Nutcracker gives them a double barrel shotgun ;w;

So Masa's still thinking about it

[fathom spire]

they'll give stuff ig

but if tin turret wasn't a gatling gun people wouldn't complain

cuz the fact it's a gatling gun tells people "ooo look at the shiny guuun, kill it for it hehee"

[sly sail]

i believe giving people a choice on the weapon they wield is nice

as they can be made to fit different niches

shotgun can be for people who like fast combat(more than combat it would be just kill stuff oneshot)

but maybe musket and/or spear could be used for another niche

[fathom spire]

it's for keeping stuff away

[sly sail]

like, spear having less dmg more reach than shovel

[fathom spire]

yeh

[sly sail]

making it also more difficult to get near the wax soldier

[fathom spire]

it does the little knockback thing the shovel does but from further away, but there's diminishing returns, so you can only use it so much

also does less damage yeah

[fathom spire]

yeh

[sly sail]

i like heroe shooters because of it, they have many characters for many gameplay niches