Biodiversity - Expanding upon LC's fauna and their relationship with their habitats.

[sleek bridge]

time

[fathom spire]

i'll think about the team stuff or whatever

[fathom spire]

but i'll chekc in every once in a while

oo

[sleek bridge]

why tf are they 11 seconds

lmfao, i left a drumstep sample in it

and didnt see it off screen

[fathom spire]

LMAOO

i got dubstep jumpscared

ok quick critique

i like the roar, i feel like you could add the shakiness that the og bracken sound effect has

like, the rustling sounds etc

i'm a big fan of sound effects that have a lot of bass so you could go with smth like that?

[sleek bridge]

mhm. im supposed to be doing school but yes. im happy with whatever i can do. i just like helping. also

BASS

ME LIKE BASS

[fathom spire]

don't go too crazy though, these are still animals lmao

[sleek bridge]

yes

so like

organic bass

[fathom spire]

like i'm a big fan of this guy's channel

https://youtu.be/oRGfS8ZVCMM

[fathom spire]

i used to watch every upload like 5 times after it was uploaded

[fathom spire]

I FUCK WITH IT

not so much for a bracken, maybe for something like the lung dragon

a bigger, more mighty beast

this could fit with the flowery bracken if we design to make her big

[fathom spire]

oh if you like doing bassy shit you could try making some sound effects for the forge behemoth

it's a mech worm, so you can go pretty crazy

there's gotta be rust sounds, maybe some beep boops

shit's gotta sound metallic

[sleek bridge]

MECH

ME LIKE MECHS

mechs are good in every game

to be honest

[cobalt turret]

mechs

Behemoth

Masa has been summoned

[sleek bridge]

mechs?

mechs?

CLANK

[fathom spire]

tbf i wasnt big on the "giant robot variants" thing but it's gotta be in

cuz it would make endgame so much scarier

and it keep the endgamefrom having the same fucking monsters every time lmao

[cobalt turret]

Masa actually had a sound idea for the Behemoth that could be a loud, distorted fog horn that 'trembles' the moon a a few seconds after the sound is played.

[twilit plaza]

translation: he's addicted to terraria

[fathom spire]

shut up mushie
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/920152531995353128/1083901240984997918/image.gif

[cobalt turret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzY099ihULs

[cobalt turret]

SAME WAVELENGTH

LETS GO

[sleek bridge]

LMFAO

[fathom spire]

YES

thats the sound it has to make when spotting you

[twilit plaza]

god i'd shit myself

[fathom spire]

okok back to dragon ball

cya guys good luck love youu

[cobalt turret]

That sound should 100% be global like the foghorn

[torpid summit]

byeee

[cobalt turret]

DRAGON BALL?

SHENRON?

FORGE BEHEMOTH?

jk jk have fun <3

[tawny herald]

It should have like spotlights that search for you under it

[twilit plaza]

could someone explain to me how this went from "it'd be cool to have more enemies but of the same type" to "ROBOT WORM RAID BOSS"

[tawny herald]

and it activates when you go in the light

[tawny herald]

yes

[sly sail]

thats evil

i believe flowery is an exclusively outdoor monster tho

[sly sail]

remind me of Sky Cotl krills(also called dark dragons)

although they dont spot you from under, they fly and have a blue spotlight, when seeing you they get upright and make a sound(spotlight also turns red) that signals that the attack may come soon

[sly sail]

the last part kinda reminds me of Creatures of Sonaria(roblox game) puffwump call

[sleek bridge]

um

ill have to look that up

[sly sail]

idk how to take it and send it here

im looking it on the wiki

https://creatures-of-sonaria-official.fandom.com/wiki/Puffwump

would be the "voice" call

[cobalt turret]

That's the idea!

[sly sail]

its not THAT similar, but it reminded me of it for some reason

like, last 2/1.5 seconds of the sound)

[sleek bridge]

it does kinda sound like someone quickly flicking on a buzzsaw

[fathom spire]

yeah it's like completely out of tone with my vision but i fuck w it

[cobalt turret]

⚠️ GIANT ENEMY WORM ⚠️

[fathom spire]

we need more monsters that are just evil mfs and kill people

[sly sail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAoDgCF-feg

[cobalt turret]

Evil spore lizard

[sly sail]

not a pider, but

[fathom spire]

variants are still the main focus, i don't think robots will become a focus

[cobalt turret]

Masa's got very evil spider variant ideas tbh

[fathom spire]

U N L E S S .

[sly sail]

arent like nutcrackers automatons of some sort?

also jesters

like, they still seem to have organic material in them

[cobalt turret]

Nutcrackers are hermit crabs actually

[sly sail]

but still not a soul

[cobalt turret]

Or something

[sly sail]

really?

[cobalt turret]

Fleshy being inhabiting a automaton body

[sly sail]

reminds me of the animated armors fron dungeon meshi

[torpid summit]

Nutcrackers are automations being controlled by a parasite

Which is funny im drawing a nutcracker right now

[fathom spire]

i think it's more of a mech situation

[sly sail]

pretty blind to be an eye if you ask me

[fathom spire]

like it's just a fleshy thing controlling a christmas themed Gundam

[sly sail]

gotta move for it to see you

[cobalt turret]

For the nutcrackers tbh Masa was gonna sort of focus on the parasite itself too rather than just Nutcracker variants

[torpid summit]

Probably isn't like. the SMARTEST parasite

[cobalt turret]

Or atleast one of the variants being just the parasite

[sly sail]

could tangle on your suit and try and make you do weird movement and try and kill you

like, random steps, or move your camera

[torpid summit]

thatd be cool honestly

[cobalt turret]

The three musketeers of possessing shit :

Fun Guy - Nutcracker Parasite - Masked

[torpid summit]

my brain is weird and likes focusing on the nutcracker as an automation and so i sometimes forget there's a parasite in it

And it's not just some trigger-happy wooden robot that can only detect movement

[cobalt turret]

Masa honestly believes that the parasite is a fraction of the company monster

Or an offspring

[sly sail]

pinoccio nutcracker variant

just a reskin maybe

[cobalt turret]

We dont do reskins here

https://tenor.com/view/reggie-nintendo-no-gif-5495518

[sly sail]

true

[cobalt turret]

MAsa really really fucks with a gatling gun nutcracker tho

[torpid summit]

what the HELL is a gatling gun

(curious)

[cobalt turret]

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-a-machine-gun-vanguard-firing-a-machine-gun-intense-gunfire-open-fire-gif-20295147

[torpid summit]

okay that would go so hard tho

[sly sail]

just a turret kinda

but can move

scary

[torpid summit]

slower, maybe has a beefier silhouette

[cobalt turret]

Big 👏 bulky 👏 nuts 👏 firing 👏 1000 👏 shots

Would be cool actually if both the gatling gun and the automaton were possessed by a parasite

One parasite watching the front, one parasite watching the back

[sleek bridge]

you know. what is so incredibly funny about that sentence

[sleek bridge]

this was inspired by a minecraft ravager

[flint oyster]

there should be a nutcracker with a sniper 🐱🐱🐱

imo

[cobalt turret]

Three ways to kill you too

1. Stepping on you (its huge)
2. Gatling gun BRRRRR
3. Tentacles jumping out from the back to yoink any ambushers jeb style

Just two parasite fellas doing teamwork

OMG

MASA HAS A PERFECT NAME FOR THEM

Lethal Weapon

[sly sail]

gotta kill both eyes

[sleek bridge]

my edm brain just instantly went to https://youtu.be/-2YE4-mdHOM?t=129

[sly sail]

just a full boss battle on it

[torpid summit]

The tentacles swipe at you if you get too close to it

Maybe

hear me out

right

This is kind of a heavy/tank-archetype. hypothetically speaking. the tentacles are backstab-protection

"backstab" as in like. trying to get it from behind with a shovel

[flint oyster]

Love the idea of a jacked nutcracker carrying around a gun 2x it’s size

[cobalt turret]

⚠️

[sly sail]

bara nutcracker?

im all in on it tbh

[torpid summit]

TRUE

[flint oyster]

yes ‼️

[sly sail]

we got mommy bracken

what about daddy nutcracker

[sleek bridge]

i want a nutcracker carrying a dubstep gun

in my personal

opinion

[flint oyster]

nutcracker with doom weapon swapping

[torpid summit]

so the universe is telling me that my specific interest is gonna expand to nutcrackers is what's happening right now

[cobalt turret]

Had the idea that the gatling gun eye is actually watching the back while strapping the gatling gun, and the mech eye is in the head of the mech has tentacles that spew out from the back. That way the two parasites basically 'watch each other's 6' and attack anyone on the opposite side of their teammate

[torpid summit]

I SEE

[sleek bridge]

were just coming up with an entire new steam game concept at this point

and i love it

[sly sail]

this could turn into lethal company with boss battles

[sleek bridge]

calamity company

[sly sail]

bring a whole crew with shovels

[flint oyster]

Lethal Company roguelike ???

[cobalt turret]

The only one you can kill is the back, which holds the gatling gun, so the other one is invincible. However Masa had two ideas for when it is disarmed

• Idea 1: The parasite goes out and tries to flee, becoming another 'nutcracker variant' that is just the parasite without a shell.
• Idea 2: The parasite remains in the mech and still chases you out of rage, defending the gatling gun

[sly sail]

isnt it already kind of a rogue like? like, you got random enemies, random dungeons, random things, only thing not random are passive items/active items

[cobalt turret]

Yeah it is a roguelike

Or moreso roguelite

Also yes Masa was thinking the two parasites are indeed inhabiting another one of our funky 'war machines'

[flint oyster]

pretty much but with some changes you could lean heavier on it

[cobalt turret]

Which it doesnt expand on the fauna, but it does expand on possibly humanity's past remnants before the company™️

[flint oyster]

the parasite could be a different species that’s specialized in teamwork mayb, expand on lore and fauna at the same time

[sly sail]

again, reminds me of the animated armors from dungeon meshi

they were like,these mollusc colonies inside the armors

them being their shells and working as a team could move the whole armor and attack as a human

[cobalt turret]

Mhm! Was thinking about that

[flint oyster]

😱

[cobalt turret]

That's kinda how the Nutcracker feels like ye

So hey, that's Masa's expansion on the gatling parasite atleast, or the 'Lethal Weapon'

[fathom spire]

that's pretty much already what forge behemoth is

[cobalt turret]

It was in Masa's mind so Masa had to speak Masa's mind

[sly sail]

wait, just thinking about it now, could you yoink the gatlin just like the shotgun after killing it?

[cobalt turret]

Yeah. But obviously it would be heavy and two handed

[sly sail]

you said enough, im all in for that, parkour is for dump people, just face your problems and decimate them

heavy? i dont need to run or jump so

just need destruction and death

[cobalt turret]

Honestly, Lethal Company really needs a throw action

[fathom spire]

too op i think

my idea for the tin turret/tin soldier/gatling guy was that he was sort of like a walking turret, since those are pretty much gatlings in of themselves

[sly sail]

i believe this would go to another mod(and in fact there is a mod bout this) but what about Dice, like, getting 1 die of each kind, d6, d4, etc

[fathom spire]

the gatling would have to be really heavy and take like 4 seconds to start shooting + you'd have to hold the action button

[sly sail]

and have them do wacky stuff

[fathom spire]

a shotgun's just more intuitive, less hard to balance and overall just better in every situation

also where would you even get the ammo for a gatling gun

[sly sail]

but once you got one is pretty easy to farm more

[fathom spire]

there's a mod that let's you throw stuff, it's pretty fun

[fathom spire]

well, yeah

[cobalt turret]

Yeeeaah! Masa has it :3

[fathom spire]

a gatling gun would just be useless compared to a shotgun

[sly sail]

maybe in case you could get the gatlin you should maybe have to shoot shotgun 3 times on the gatlin guy

[fathom spire]

like, maybe if you wanted to fire at something from.further away

but gatlings take a few seconds to start firing

i just don't think it's needed or worth adding imo

[cobalt turret]

Its scrap value tho

[sly sail]

maybe you cant reload it

[fathom spire]

well if you wanna add a broken gatling scrap then yeah I'm down

[sacred ferry]

i had idea for a sniper nutcracker awhile ago ithink thatd be silly and would be useful ithink as a weapon :p

[sly sail]

like, you can reload shotguns, but gatlin would drop any ammo

[fathom spire]

but then you go through the effort of acquiring a gun that's slow, innacurate and can't be reloaded

[cobalt turret]

And you can still sell

[fathom spire]

which is, again, just kind of bad in comparison to the other weapons you can get

[sly sail]

halls arent usually THAT long for you to use a sniper i think

and it may be too dark for it

[fathom spire]

yeah but if we're gonna have a coder make a whole weapon and balance it just for it to only be sold cuz the it's not fun or effective to use then why code it at all

[sacred ferry]

i pictured it mainly being helpful for outside enemies ithink

[cobalt turret]

Unleashing 100 bullets in one direction in Lethal Company sounds VERY funny tbh

[fathom spire]

if we're adding something it can't just be a cool idea, it also needs to have a use case

[sly sail]

like you are coming back and there are 3 dogs outside

[fathom spire]

i guess?

there's just not many cases where it's better or more reliable than a shogun

unless you make it some sort of placeable turret instead of a weapon you carry

[sacred ferry]

yea or if theres like any other enemy that would be added by this mod thatd be a problem

[sly sail]

we be turning Lethal company into a shooter at this point

[fathom spire]

that too

[sacred ferry]

ooh i like the placable turred idea ive thought abt that b4

[sly sail]

i dont think that enters this mod idea tho

[fathom spire]

i think doom company's a funny concept but i think an obtainable gatling gun you can carry is just kind of useless

like, that you fire from your own hands

plus since it's a gatling i guarantee it'd be a two hander, them mfs big

if we were to add it i think having it be placeable would be better

[cobalt turret]

So if oyu really want a use for it, the gatling gun can be the perfect last stand weapon against a Eyeless Dog that breached inside. Ship mommies would LOVE a wepaon like this.

[fathom spire]

you can turn it on and off etc, but a weapon like that can be easily busted or useless

[cobalt turret]

It may not be the most useful inside, however outside it can be your best friend

[fathom spire]

if its best use case is for the player that stays in one single spot the whole round then just make it a placeable

also eyeless dogs have insane hp

[sly sail]

wouldnt it be too noisy? just bringing more dogs

[fathom spire]

that too, but that's a plus for it imo

[cobalt turret]

You win some, you lose some

[fathom spire]

you can have it trigger by dogs and distract them

so its only use case isn't only damaging things

[cobalt turret]

You un-danger the dog, but you best be ready for the danger after that you could either also shoot down, or you can prevent by closing the door

[fathom spire]

if you had it on hand it'd just redirect dogs to you

however if you had it lying around outside the dogs would run to it instead of you

it's like the delivery trick you can do to distract dogs but more versatile

[cobalt turret]

ngl, a lot of people would be very disappointed in seeing a gatling gun being used as a noise distraction

[fathom spire]

my main point here is that if we're adding another weapon we have to have it be actually useful

[fathom spire]

well, it wouldn't be its only use case

again, it shoots

but its stationary

it would be pretty funny if you set one up and a friend of yours died cuz they forgot you put it there lmao

[tight moat]

Hand-crank gatling gun, you goobers

Go old school

[sly sail]

so we got a buff man daddy nutcracker carrying a turret that you can display like the ladder thingy?

[fathom spire]

annoying to balance imo

how do you make a machine gun you can hold not op in a game where your best weapons are a shotgun with max 2 ammo, a shovel and a stun grenade

like yeah, it's cool

[sly sail]

shovel being an OP weapon is crazy, but it is

[fathom spire]

but it would be so op it invalidates everything else

or so unusable it'd be boring

[cobalt turret]

Dunno, Masa just doesnt feel like a heavy, two handed gatling gun that needs turret time to fire practically 20 damage in two seconds is too useless. You basically become your own turret.

[sly sail]

you became your own crew's hazard

[cobalt turret]

That's 90% of the time 😭

[tight moat]

• Limited Ammo
• You cannot walk while firing (or at least very slowly)
• "rev up" period, shooting is not instant
• gun's heavy!!
• individual bullets do less than a shovel's hit of damage

[cobalt turret]

Detroit: become turret

Slow turning while firing maybe?

[tight moat]

Could limit your view turn speed yeh

[dusky slate]

Uh i liked this idea a lot so i made a variant of the masked. Thought changing it to other objects would be kinda cool

[tight moat]

Makes me think of that fey creature that's like, a weird lil lady holding a mirror in front of her head cause she doesn't have a face

[sly sail]

she sad she cant be as beautiful as mommy bracken

[dusky slate]

was trying to figure out what you meant and then found this.

[sly sail]

little chiropractor practice aloe vera would do

realigning your spine and your soul

[tight moat]

Wringing you out like a milk-soaked rag

[sly sail]

it be like that some times

[tight moat]

Gotta get the calcium out

[fathom spire]

my main problem is just

why choose this over a shotgun

[tight moat]

Funny

[fathom spire]

yeah that's not winning me over sorry fosjfns

[tight moat]

Lol

[fathom spire]

if we went off of how funny something is we'd have so much of everything we wouldn't even be able to make it

I don't wanna be a downer i just don't think it's worth adding another gun just because it would be funny

idk we could make it do something other than just being another gun

[tight moat]

If I was gonna add another gun I'd do a musket

[fathom spire]

like that's good balance but it's just another gun

[tight moat]

Musket contrasts the shotgun by being long range instead of a vicious spread

[fathom spire]

that's a bit more interesting, yeah

anyway I'm like. yapping without knowing half of the stuff that was said here so lemme go back to my own stuff

[sly sail]

i would think of a water gun scrap cause funny, maybe could be electrified via charger(although it runs out of water and cant me reloaded), it would be like a pretty toned down shock gun

just to save a friend just in case, but this doesnt really fit the mod idea anyways

imagine you dont have anything other than the water gun electrified and your teammate gets yoinked by a giant

[tight moat]

This is a zap gun with extra steps

[sacred ferry]

yea ik lol im just saying :p

[sly sail]

lil water gun, short stuns(even shorter than flash), but it is a scrap item you find so

its free

its like stop and yield signs, they are heavier shovels, but they are scrap AND free

[cobalt turret]

Shotgun has 5 damage per shot, and two slots for ammunition.
Gatling gun has 1 damage per shot, but has a ammunition belt of 100, which does 10 DP/S.

Shotgun you can reload but takes time to do so.
Gatling gun can't be reloaded, but can be consistently fired to suppress danger.

Shotgun can misfire.
Gatling gun has to be revved up.

Where the shotgun is your ole reliable, the gatling gun is your heavy duty work.

[tight moat]

There aren't really hordes of enemies to gun down tho

[fathom spire]

yeah, that's why i mean by the fact there's not really a use case for this

unless we make the gatling gun have spread, but a lot less than the shotgun

then you could use it to more accurately hit stuff from afar

oh oh here's what i thought of

so basically, you have the two handedness of the weapon + the weight (give or take 28 pounds or smth to carry)

you can nerf the damaga accordingly whatever

but taking from tilted's hand crank idea, you could tie the gatling to stamina

basically it would take stamina to fire, since you gotta crank it

that way it's still risky to use but pretty powerful all things considered

spread also increases overtime

so there'll be moments where you gotta stop cranking and it let it readjust

[cobalt turret]

dogs

[fathom spire]

that way we can reduce the time it takes to fire it and make it a more accurate, less powerful and still risky version of the shotgun

[fathom spire]

they have way too much health though, like they take 20 or so shovel hits to kill i think

[cobalt turret]

12

[sleek bridge]

with the sheer amount of enemies that would be in this mod, some of them have to go in large groups

[fathom spire]

also the loud ass noises from the gatling would just immediately alert them of your location

[fathom spire]

no there'll be spawn limits

[sleek bridge]

yes

i know

[fathom spire]

I'm completely against overpopulating maps with these

[sleek bridge]

I CANT TYPE

[sleek bridge]

same

what i meant was

[cobalt turret]

no, theyll share spawns with their original creature so its either this or that p much

[sleek bridge]

like the hoarding bug species

ok nevermind

[fathom spire]

variants would prevent other variants from spawning depending on if they interact or not, and some would even replace the vanilla versions

[fathom spire]

ahh

like, light bugs?

[sleek bridge]

yes

[cobalt turret]

Ohhh

[fathom spire]

I don't think they're worth killing tbh

like, they ain't even aggressive for the most part

[sleek bridge]

wait. variants would replace vanilla monsters entirely?

[fathom spire]

nono

I'm saying that in-game if let's say a forge behemoth spawned, a lung dragon or an earth leviathan wouldn't

because fundamentally, to the core, they do the same thing

it'd be completely redundant to have them be in the same place at the same time

[cobalt turret]

Its like a roulette per day of what variant will spawn

[fathom spire]

all 3 burrow and eat you, they just do it differently or do something other than that

same with dogs

[cobalt turret]

Having multiple of the same species is like a rare occurence, in which: Welcome to hell where three worms are attempting to gobble you

[fathom spire]

with bugs you could have coexist, since they target different things

but you wouldn't have a fun guy spawn alongside a flowery bracken

with some we would add a small chance for them to spawn together, but it'd be like giants on assurance

just a very, very low chance

[cobalt turret]

Just for the chaos

:D

[fathom spire]

it's like masa said, a sort of enemy roulette

limiting which versions spawn would help spice up gameplay on moons where you know what always spawns when it spawns and what they do

on vow you always know you're gonna be running from giants

on rend/dine/titan you'll always be hiding from dogs, so why not spice it up and change up what type of dogs spawn?

more creature rng a allows for new experiences on older maps

[fathom spire]

oh boy!! worm day!!

[cobalt turret]

How Masa imagines the spawn mechanic to be is

Phase 1: Check what enemies will spawn on this moon
Phase 2: Put the enemies that will spawn on this moon at this day in a roulette. What variant are they?
Phase 3: Enemies & Variants done! Will there be a 1% chance that they will spawn multiple variants? If yes, phase 4
Phase 4: Which other variant will spawn along?
Enemies loaded

[fathom spire]

can't wait to have ogopogo, lung dragon AND earth leviathans RIGHT OUTSIDE MY SHIP!!

what fun!!

[cobalt turret]

Worm gang

Look in exchange of having to deal with 3 different kinds of thumpers, you now also have the chance of being in a moon with only lootbug variants c:

Having rare encounters like these is what would definitely keep people engaged after having played with the mods for a good while

[fathom spire]

ye!

I'd also love for light bugs to have a small chance of just spawning as a group of 4 or something

[sly sail]

there is spawn limits in vanilla, although they might not be they ones you are talking about

[fathom spire]

do you mean the power cap?

[sly sail]

every moon has an energy lvl and every creature has a limit to how many they can spawn in a moon

[sly sail]

yeah

so high power creature would make it harder to have many creatures at the same time

[fathom spire]

the only large group based variants I've even thought of so far is the covenant (masked variant)

also i saw someone post a little mirror masked variant concept and i dig it so much but i gotta read it thoroughly gaaah

idk if they drew it themselves but the art was super cute

[sly sail]

kinda like aloe and flowery being friends

[woven snow]

bad thing about this idea

i think there's a lot for people to do

imagine if it costs to even only make one single entity

[fathom spire]

that's why we're streamlining a few of them and deciding which ones we're prioritizing for development

[woven snow]

I think the ideas should be separated

[fathom spire]

the quantity issue has already been brought up and we're currently adjusting

[woven snow]

So like someone makes a idk, a water leviathan monster from here only and maybe after creates another if he wants

[sleek bridge]

i feel like starting with a few, and occasionally adding new variants through updates could be best

[fathom spire]

I've thought about removing a few concepts i find redundant, streamlining mechanics and seeing if i can merge some entities even though most are so different I can't really do that lmao

[fathom spire]

yeah that's my thought process

aloe light bug and ogopogo would go first

bowler brain can easily be added after

then we could focus on endgame monsters and add the forge behemoth

then we could focus on whatever's possible at the moment

[tight moat]

stamina based recoil

[fathom spire]

exactlyy

[fathom spire]

we could also include an extra one and do the wax soldier or the tin turret to have an endgame enemy aswell

light bug and aloe would be early game, ogopogo would be midgame

[woven snow]

Ghost Enemy (well that's a certainly a name)

[cobalt turret]

Bowler brain? 😂

[woven snow]

The ghost enemy would haunt the facility and cut the lights from 30 seconds or more

i mean

like every 30 seconds

It would leave footsteps that lead to where he is, he will also close doors randomly

You can kill him with a shovel, but it's hard to know where it is

[sly sail]

pretty easy to troll your friends into thinking it is present if you use the poltergeist mod(spectator but better)

[woven snow]

With a Pro-Flashlight you can see where he is (or at least their footsteps)

[fathom spire]

i dont remember saying that but that's a cool idea

oh wait i do remember the lights thing

yeah he would open the fuse box and a few doors

but only some players would see him

you would have to avoid looking at his face

but chilling behind him is fine

[woven snow]

The flashlight would make a layer mask that makes the footsteps and the ghost visible

[fathom spire]

i say he'd be easy to implement himc uz i imagine him to be like a doomn enemy

like, a flat png lmao

plays into the fact that he's an old fella

[woven snow]

nah, the avoid looking at his face is kinda of an awful idea with all the SCP mods over there

Every player is able to see him but only with a pro flashlight making light into him

IF you attack him he will attack you, 20 damage per hit and 2 second cooldown, 3 hits to kill

very innofensive but very annoying at the sametime, kinda like the bracken, tho the bracken isn't innofensive

[sly sail]

can you really kill a ghost?

[sleek bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-luigi-smash-bros-smash-bros-ultimate-missing-gif-26523330

[sly sail]

doesnt make much sense, he also wouldnt be scanneable, like ghost girl

[tight moat]

are you talkin about the hat man

[sly sail]

i think so

[woven snow]

What makes sense in lethal company?

He could be some radioactive like creature too

[sly sail]

but he still a ghost, he already dead, like ghost girl

[woven snow]

I just called him ghost as a basic name

never specified his caracteristics

[sly sail]

you can only kill the live creatures(except jester, he's weird, and coil head, also weird)

[cobalt turret]

Earth Leviathan can solo everything

Earth Leviathan is the true unkillable entity

[sleek bridge]

yes

wait

WAIT

[cobalt turret]

Because pretty sure his death box just deletes the entity

[sleek bridge]

oh my god

DOCILE

LOCUST

BEES

can survive

the earth leviathan

they are the true gods

in this world

[cobalt turret]

Dont they disperse when a entity goes through them?

[sleek bridge]

disperse<die

they spawn somewhere else after

they disperse

i think

[cobalt turret]

shiet you right

Locust solos

No wait it doesnt solo, it just cant get got
Earth Leviathan still solos

[woven snow]

and spore lizard?

[sly sail]

killable

[woven snow]

No it's not

[sly sail]

it isnt? i believe it is

[cobalt turret]

Not by player means

[woven snow]

It's not, check the wiki

[cobalt turret]

They made the Spore Lizard invincible in the most recent update

Well not most recent, but the same update that released the Nutcrackers & Masks

[sly sail]

why tho?

[cobalt turret]

Because mascot

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sly sail]

not killing pet?

[fathom spire]

yeah

[tight moat]

huffing so much TZP that I start to see the hat man

[woven snow]

Also the forest giant

[fathom spire]

yeah but i made him up, he a ghost girl variant

[woven snow]

4 alive creatures cannot be killed

[tight moat]

this gas leak in the facility got me feeling some kind of way

[sly sail]

likes to eat

[cobalt turret]

👀

Some kinda way

[woven snow]

What is the idea for that ghost girl variant?

[fathom spire]

well, exactly what i said

he would interact with the environment, not really acknowledging you past a glance

you just have to not look at his face while he wanders around

it would have the same aggro timer the bracken does

[woven snow]

Well, that's not exactly my idea

[tight moat]

should be made visible if you stay in gas leaks or use TZP that's what I think

and then he can cause gas leaks

[fathom spire]

tahts why i said "exactly what i said"

[fathom spire]

actually thats a great idea

he could be a facility only variant of the ghost girl

[woven snow]

Yeah but you said you made him up

[fathom spire]

i

did

[sleek bridge]

me personally

died on the job facility worker

[cobalt turret]

Feel like that could be a good different variant. Like a hallucination ghost.

[woven snow]

I said other idea and you said you made it up that's what i mean

[fathom spire]

unless you've been talking about your own concept this whole time, like separate from the guy in the hat i drew

[fathom spire]

oh no, yeah

thats your thing, im talking about my thing

[woven snow]

oh haha

[fathom spire]

LMAO sorry for the confusion

[woven snow]

Tho the hat man could have that

tho idk

it would be weird with so many things

[cobalt turret]

Ohhh, a Employee ghost that appears when you are high on steam/tzp. However there's something wrong with their visor. Either tentacles or Bracken eyes.

That would be a good idea for a second variant if we're still filling out three variants

Masa has a idea for another variant too, which spawns in groups

[woven snow]

Okay, the ghost enemy (lets call him GH bc, idk it's short) If u bring a pro flashlight you can use it to see GH footsteps, the footsteps would be 5 seconds long, if you use the flashlight to the ghost, you can kill him with 3 shovel hits (He will just have a sad face and dissapear with some particles, reference to undertale) and he will do well, some messing around like opening and closing both metalic and normal doors and turning on and off the light every 30 seconds, he will do 20 damage every hit, and will have a spore lizard AI but slightly less scared.

[fathom spire]

we'll figure out how to balance him

but my main idea is to make a passive enemy that would simply mess around and wouldnt cause much trouble, but that could be deadly if you're not careful around him

i do really like the whole flashlight thing though

[fathom spire]

i don't love the killing part honestly

maybe if you shone a flashlight at him he'd run away from an annoying spot so you could keep him from being a nuisance

[woven snow]

Maybe if 2 or more people flash at him with a flashlight he will dissolve?

It's a monster that's planned to be killed, because it may be too annoying

[fathom spire]

sounds good! if more than two player created light sources hit his "collission" he would disappear for a few minutes

that's a good way of making flashlights useful inside the mansion lmao

[woven snow]

Yeah that would be cool

I guess he should have a low spawn rate in most of the places

Except in paid moons

where he would have like a 6-7%

[fathom spire]

i'm pretty sure he should be tied to sanity

but have a lower treshold than the ghost girl

so if someone gets low sanity he's just there for everyone

it's a less deadly version of the ghost girl

he'd be more common, but less deadly

(deadly as in don't look at his face)

[woven snow]

The sanity could make the spawn rate higher

[fathom spire]

the back of the head's fine

[woven snow]

nah am talking about another mob instead of the man in the hat

combining it like that just dont feels right to me idk why

[fathom spire]

oh?

what mob are you talking about

[woven snow]

My own i mean

GH (no name currently)

GE*

[fathom spire]

meh, i figured this would fit bowler brain a ton

not aggressive, pretty passive

[woven snow]

He would be kinda passive

[fathom spire]

also i don't wanna add that many ghost variants

just for clutter and ease of development reasons

[woven snow]

if you are on critical health he would not kill you

[woven snow]

It's easier than you think to make GE

[cobalt turret]

Still feel like settling for 3 designs for future plans isnt bad.

[fathom spire]

i guess? i just don't want to force-design enemies just so we can have 3 of each

[woven snow]

First of all, make the ghost retreat like the bracken (same code basically) when you point only one pro flashlight at him

If 2 flashlights are dirrectly pointed at him (raycast) you can make a code to make him not appear in some 3-4 minutes

[fathom spire]

i get it though. i really don't like seeing 3 or 4 enemies have their list full and have half the vanilla roster have no variants

[woven snow]

Flashing with a normal flashlight or for not too many time will make the GE enter aggro (GE cannot kill you)

[fathom spire]

but i don't just wanna force an enemy concept in just to have an enemy concept

it's like if they added characters to smash just to fill out the roster rather than to honor a franchise

https://tenor.com/view/fire-emblem-engage-smash-bros-super-smash-bros-nintendo-mario-movie-gif-27671989

(cough cough)

(most fire emblem reps cough cough)

[woven snow]

It could make also that if you aggro the GE he can make nearest monsters become aggro against you

that could change the things and make him a danger 2 or even 3 enemy

[cobalt turret]

That's why Masa is designing them! 😭

[fathom spire]

i know i know!

but i just don't want filler monsters :P

[cobalt turret]

Filler?! GASP

[fathom spire]

like, a monster that's just the vanilla thing with like some arbitrary mechanic tied to it that doesnt make sense or whatever

IM NOT SAYING YOUR MONSTERS ARE FILLER IM SORRY

[cobalt turret]

How dare you! They're a full family with each their own ambitions!

[fathom spire]

aloe is very good masa 😭

[woven snow]

we will leave this job

goodbye

[fathom spire]

https://tenor.com/view/murderous-intent-kill-why-chinese-cat-app-mr-fresh-cat-feeder-gif-7215320228344222871

[woven snow]

i dont even get a salary for making ideas

[fathom spire]

IM NOTHING WITHOUT YOU PEOPLE PLEASE

[cobalt turret]

dw Masa's not leaving :3

And yes, Aloe is very good thank you very much.~

[woven snow]

we request a better salary

[fathom spire]

uh

2 dabloon an hour

[woven snow]

i dont know what's that

but i accept

😄

[cobalt turret]

No. 1 Aloe fanart a week

[fathom spire]

FINE

when i have the design done

[fallow nest]

I love the concept art you have here!

[cobalt turret]

OK

GOOD

[fathom spire]

thank you very much!!

[woven snow]

A MODDER

TAKE US TO THE VICTORY

[cobalt turret]

NO DONT SCREAM AT THE MODDER DONT SCARE EM AWAY

[fathom spire]

LMAO chill heckor hes been here for a few weeks now

[woven snow]

i mean... Hello mr modder

[fallow nest]

You're looking at the wrong modder😭

[fathom spire]

SHHH SHH YOU'LL SCARE EM

[woven snow]

oh no

[cobalt turret]

:0

[fallow nest]

Sorry I did not mean to hype you guys up, I don't have much modding knowledge and I'm taking time to improve atm 😅

[cobalt turret]

You're literally creating the mythical man wdym 😭

[fathom spire]

no LMAO i don't get my hopes up easily

[woven snow]

dont worry we all have a high mental health

[fathom spire]

i also knew you visited the thread a few weeks back

[woven snow]

we dont get the hopes up

[fathom spire]

thanks for coming by!

[cobalt turret]

(Please do focus on your own project its great)

[fathom spire]

also thanks for complimenting my art hehe

[fallow nest]

Mhm! Once I saw your concept sketches I got hooked

[woven snow]

guys GE enemy idea

[fathom spire]

oh do they have their own project?

[woven snow]

obviously not a concept created in 5 secs

[fathom spire]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-aiai-gort-gif-25193105

youre cooking

LMAO

[cobalt turret]

@fallow nest YOU NEVER TALKED ABOUT YOUR OWN IDEA?

Gasp!

[fallow nest]

Well I'm taking a short break on it to work on something easier but I didn't see the need to bring it up 😅

[fathom spire]

i'll make sure to work on more when i have time, really wanna finish up the bracken designs

[fallow nest]

Ooo, can't wait!

[cobalt turret]

Damn, thought you would've used your name against Masa there xD But yeah fair enough

[fallow nest]

Mhmm but it's not relevant to what you have here so I won't change the topic to it

[woven snow]

this would happen when you aggro ghost enemy

he would make an attractive area for enemys to attract them to his location

I din't even make this with a mouse

am probably the worst artist online lol

[fathom spire]

oh nah dw bro yap on

this thread aint that professional

we literally went on a bara company rant last night

[woven snow]

half professional

half paint drawings

perfect balance

[fallow nest]

Ahh okay okay, my mod is just adding Slenderman as a enemy to the game but I'm going to take a break from that mod and work on a separate enemy mod that should be easier to implement 😄

Mostly to get better at modding and mess around with other features about the game

[fathom spire]

OH DUDE

YOU'RE THE SLENDERMAN MODDER?

so siiick

[fallow nest]

Not the facelss stalker one by the way, though you should check out their mod it's finished and I really like what they did with it

[fathom spire]

sounds good!! good luck on your endeavors

really excited to see what else you work on

[fathom spire]

oooh

ok so you're not the faceless stalker modder, you're the one from the one that was just called slenderman?

[fallow nest]

#1203326475403661332 Mine is this one!

[woven snow]

it's kinda cool

when teaching me how to mod?

[fathom spire]

oh yeah!!! i kept seeing that one back when i would browse #1169056298856362105 like every hour lmao

super cool stuff man

[cobalt turret]

Masa is kinda waiting for your mod because Masa does kinda dislike that Faceless Stalker runs xD

[fallow nest]

Thanks 😄

[cobalt turret]

Its still impressive tho. Definitely a run killer if you grab a page early so it has the same rules as the apparatus as in

You can blame your friends for making it a run killer

xd

[woven snow]

Your mod is better, well i never played FacelessStalker, but the model on faceless stalker looks like the first model someone would make

-Attently someone who dont knows how to use blender

[cobalt turret]

Faceless Stalker fits with Lethal Company, its probably intentional

Masa actually kinda dislikes it if a model is too high quality

[fallow nest]

Should not be asking me- 😅

[fallow nest]

Thank you!! I can't make any promises that I will release it but I appreciate it 😄

[fathom spire]

the wifey's gone 🔥🔥🔥

WHICH MEANS ITS DRAWING TIME YEAAH

[sly sail]

Monty getting stuff ready to enlighten our eyes with for real

i'll be awaiting

[fathom spire]

made a little bracken base to work on the variants from (since they're basiclaly just body type changes to the og design with some new elements)

guys pleaaase don't @ lazo pleaaaase

[sly sail]

not doing it, gonna DM them tho/j

[sly sail]

i believe brackens have like some ridges on their abdomen

like, a bit under the "ribs"

[cobalt turret]

@ lazo

[sly sail]

Ozal@

[fathom spire]

oh yeah they have this weird meat-like texture

ig i should add it yeah lmao

[sly sail]

i didnt mean it

i meant more on the model than the texture

[fathom spire]

OH do you mean like, the extra leaves on its abdomen?

right, forgot about those

[sly sail]

no no

i believe i could explain it better in spanish cause i sometimes struggle finding the words in english

but dont want to say anything not english cause of mod may not be able to moderate it

and i feel bad for anyone who cant understand it

i think you can see it here, see the shading on the tummy area?

i meant those ridges

they kinda have those, dont really know what they are supposed to simulate

[fathom spire]

you can do that, we both speak it lmao

[fathom spire]

ahhh okayy

i get it,yeah

[sly sail]

yeah, ik, but still feel bad for anyone who cant

also, i kinda get misunderstood often on how i explain stuff, i usually preffer to show

instead on just explaining

[torpid summit]

too late

[fathom spire]

i can do quick translations afterward :P

[sly sail]

that's why i usually take images, try and scribble or just share my screen(didnt do this last one yet as i havent been in a call with anyone yet)

[fathom spire]

im supposed to be studying to be a translator, so i should be able to do it

[sly sail]

just saw the brick emoji reaction

did you THROW a brick to lazo?

or what does it mean?

[torpid summit]

do NOT throw bricks at me ill be SAD

NO STOP

[fathom spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/799344855280124034/1120558107039367249/IMG_0176.gif

[sly sail]

we've been bricked

[torpid summit]

ms veraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa im at critical injuryyyyyyyyy :(((((

[sly sail]

i cant cat tennis that

[fathom spire]

heres where i would post the vera art IF IT WERE FINISHED

[torpid summit]

looking at you

[cobalt turret]

https://tenor.com/view/smiley-3d-vibe-check-creepy-gif-15669762

[sly sail]

ready to carry you "home"

[cobalt turret]

🫦

[tight moat]

alright chat who's drawing Ms. Vera in a pencil skirt first

[torpid summit]

,........,,,,,,,,,,,

[fathom spire]

I swear to god

anyway- heres the fully done bracken ref

vanilla bracken has big hands, bushy back, dented head and ribs

[sly sail]

bracken be big

[fathom spire]

i'll work on the variants now woohooo

[sly sail]

"dented head"

let me look the nenuco doll, be back

Bracken

[fathom spire]

LMAOOO

I MEAN. IT'S DENTED

[sly sail]

i just love the image

i also feel the bracken has a dented head cause he bonked onto a door, like like a dent on a car or a can

[fathom spire]

he got hit with a brick 💔

WRONG GIF.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/799344855280124034/1120558107039367249/IMG_0176.gif

there . . .

[sly sail]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-im-out-byee-ok-gif-15304701432226785572

[torpid summit]

TEXT FROM TOP TO BOTTOM: "About to brick someone" & "Got fucking bricked"

[sly sail]

she be aggresive for love

[torpid summit]

okay thats my 1 contribution today i just kinda winged vera's look based on an already posted sketch; ill do another one when a proper ref is made LOL

I FORGOT THE FUCKING ARM SPIKES its over

[sly sail]

WAIT FOR LOVE

https://tenor.com/view/fighting-vaggie-carmilla-carmine-hazbin-hotel-having-a-fight-gif-1556384129058278258

[torpid summit]

patient got bricked shes PISSED

[sly sail]

we both got bombastically bricked

just like the regular bracken who's head ended up like this

i wont get tired of looking to the "Nenuco con mollera sumida"

that's the name i know it with

[torpid summit]

i love the dented head because then i can just go. okay but itd be funny and the i make their headshapes like this

[sly sail]

ears

be blending with animal kingdom

when he plant

[torpid summit]

i cant imagine much else honestly

[torpid summit]

fun fact theyre not ears they're just protrusions and part of the headshape

[fathom spire]

LMAOO

[fathom spire]

omg!!! that mf looks so cool

[torpid summit]

thas aster n cypress :3 my Vow and Assurance brackens respectively

[fathom spire]

i love them sm!!

also. do you use aggie to draw too

i recognize the pixel brush i think . . .

[torpid summit]

im actually using ms paint rn,,,,

usually i use clip studio paint but i was stuck in art block for like 2 months and using ms paint has like. helped for no reason

[fathom spire]

you're a beast

[fathom spire]

LITERALLY THOUGHH

ive been drawing all of my concepts on aggie cuz i just can't bring myself to open fire alpaca anymore

[torpid summit]

I HAVE AN ANIMATIC FOR LC IM DOING ON FIRE ALPACA BUT NOW IM DISTRACTED BY DIFFERENT IDEAS SO THATS ON THE BACKBURNER

[fathom spire]

aloe!

gotta add the spikeys and actual plants

but she has toes

she has thicker forearms, stronger legs and a wider back

for lifting!

(people)

[cobalt turret]

Oh Aloe is going to be the thicker one?

[fathom spire]

well, slightly beefier

she's smaller than a normal bracken

but has a bigger back and stronger legs to carry people

the bracken drags you around, but aloe would pick you up like the pieta and run to her room

(the pieta)

[cobalt turret]

Cuz Masa wont lie, that one definitely feels fitting for the Flowery imo

The very awkwardly, fidgety looking posture that could explode at any moment

Fair yeah lol, just thought she'd look a bit more in the slender category xD

[tawny herald]

Aloe should tilt head when looking at people

it would be a very cute feature

[cobalt turret]

OMG YES

[fathom spire]

true, she could lmao

but i wanted her design to reflect her functions

[torpid summit]

LITERALLY shaking her

[tawny herald]

and like

hesitantly walks up to you when it wants to heal you

but this goes away after time when it gets more aggresive in trying to heal

[sly sail]

kind of like bracken, it stalks you until he gets the good positioning to get you

she would be more of a confidence build up

[tawny herald]

yeah

this might be my new favorite monster in the mod

[tight moat]

I guess the AI would be like

Have a meter that dictates how close she's allowed to get to anyone

Looking at her pauses the meter, staring at her and running at her reverses the meter

Between like 65% and 100% meter fill she has the chance to grab you

Higher % higher chance

[sly sail]

i feel like reverse bracken

builds up while not looking at her, and decresses while looking at her(bracken has a build up anger meter while looking at it)

(if it gets to a point it enrages and becomes full aggro onto you until meter goes down, maximum is 11 making it an 11 second chase at max)

she would have a build up while stalking, and after getting to 11 she would run to you, grab you and run away

if she doesnt catch you before meter goes down she will just run away alone while closing doors(closes doors to hide herself even more)

[tight moat]

Yep that's what I said basically

[sly sail]

although regular bracken build up is much faster

[tawny herald]

It would target injured players and the less health player has more aggro it is

[sly sail]

having a full charge while looking at it for 2 sec aprox

so if Aloe build up is while not looking should be much slower of a build up

maybe 1 point every 5 seconds

and lower player health lower points needed to "aggro" onto you

[torpid summit]

me knowing she's Behind Me and purposely backing up

[sly sail]

now that i remember

[sly sail]

regular bracken can build up stare points when pausing its run away

like, you would look at it and it would run away

and sometimes in that run away it pauses for a sec or 2

[tawny herald]

If youre running and staring it would prob snap your neck since it feels threatened

[sly sail]

in those 1-2 second regular bracken gets anger points

[sly sail]

she doesnt do such thing, she just slaps you dealing 90 dmg

its not a neck snapping bracken, like regular bracken or flowery

she only gives a warning, and then kill if still threatened

[tight moat]

Freak 💚

[sly sail]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-happy-plant-excited-aloe-vera-gif-16983309

[torpid summit]

oops i ACCIDENTALLY backed up into a bracken ohh the horror

[sly sail]

(but you have mistaken a real bracken with her)

[tawny herald]

yes

[tight moat]

Yeah that's another thing is she's similar looking to a normal bracken right

[torpid summit]

you think this changes my feelings on the matter. nuh uh

[tight moat]

So because the way you deal with them is inverted

[sly sail]

may die, but you can feel his hand so

[tight moat]

You gotta be SURE

[sly sail]

50/50 win win

[torpid summit]

a bracken would never kill me im too adorable

[sly sail]

tell that to a Fern bracken when seeing Flowery

[torpid summit]

nuh uh thats their scuffle im too adorable to die

[tawny herald]

what is the flowery even supposed to do\

[sly sail]

she's an outdoors bracken

has a flower on her safe space

[tight moat]

Sits outside in a big flower

[sly sail]

she is aggresive unless polinated, when becomes friendly

[tight moat]

Hear that, men?

[sly sail]

you can spend time with her and bring them figet toys(flashlights, clown horn, etc) and she will slow time

maybe a 25%

day is longer so you can collect more scrap

but 1 person gotta stay close

[tawny herald]

What a nice creature

[tight moat]

That's goofy

[torpid summit]

i had to fight my demons just now so as to not respond "MEN?"

[tight moat]

I don't like that

[sly sail]

also, you can steal the flower

she doesnt like that, will go feral

[tight moat]

You too, bitch, get to pollinating

Figure it out

[torpid summit]

oh no i don't mean "MEN?" as in im not a man i mean, MEN? (🏳️‍🌈 ?)

[tight moat]

Pffft

Aight fair

[sly sail]

after trying to steal it she will focus the person who stole the flower and kill it, then she will just grab said flower and go back to her once called home and sit sad near the flower

[tight moat]

Anyway flower bracken sounds like bees 2

[sly sail]

attacking anyone who gets clsoe

[tight moat]

Why not just make that mechanic set the queen circuit bee or something

[tawny herald]

its more fitting to be a bee variant ngl

[sly sail]

its more on the you preffer to just leave her alone or slow time

its not actually made for stealing her flower

[tight moat]

The slow time mechanic doesn't make sense

[sly sail]

its more of a drugs thing

[torpid summit]

i like the idea of distracting her with things but I dislike the time slowing idea personally, honestly I think we should make use of the bracken room myth and make it so a flowerpatch indicates that she's spawned instead of it actually being scrap to steal

[sly sail]

flower would open and release spores

[tight moat]

It can't be a drugs thing if it's universal

[tawny herald]

Lets just keep the two variants fungi and aloe

[tight moat]

TZP is a drug thing

Make it TZP gas

[sly sail]

its supposed to be a flower tho

a plant just like aloe and fern brackens

[torpid summit]

funny out-of-pocket idea. what if flowery can attract dogs to your location via scent if she's being aggro

[tawny herald]

What type of flower is flowery

[sly sail]

that would make her a mutualistic too, but dogs dont spawn in every moon as much

[sly sail]

dont have it clear yet

[tawny herald]

maybe a tulip

[torpid summit]

she would have her own mechanic but then she'd be an even bigger problem on moons with dogs

[sly sail]

maybe many kinds, someone suggested to give each bracken a name

and the one for flowery was bouquet

[tawny herald]

how about a venus fly trap bracken? or any carnivorous plant

[tight moat]

I mean

[torpid summit]

actually badass idea hold on let lunar cook

[sly sail]

i believe we said a while ago to no more brackens tbh

well

[torpid summit]

you can never have enough brackens (biased do not listen to me)

[tight moat]

I feel like

And bare with me here

This whole project could splinter into a mod per species

[torpid summit]

yeah true

[tawny herald]

That would be good

[tight moat]

As is, it's a lil hectic and cluttered

[sly sail]

but that would make harder the mutualistic species

like lung dragon and the pit

[tight moat]

Pretty sure those would actually still be possible if you just use the correct data names

[torpid summit]

well if you made multiple mods with the same team you'd have the ability to personally create compatibilities and interactions between mods

[tawny herald]

i think it should be a config thing that requires both mods

[tight moat]

Also yeah like

In theory

You could just communicate

[torpid summit]

like an API + the mods or just the actual worm species + spore lizard species mod

[tight moat]

Make it work, make it happen

[sly sail]

also, this mainly has to dig it Monty

if he want to make 1 or many

[tight moat]

Guys what if the spore lizard is a variant of the leviathan

And we just don't know it

[tawny herald]

huh

[torpid summit]

i may not have understood what you said about the config

[torpid summit]

that'd be so silly

[tawny herald]

It would be config option that you can decide if you want a mutualistic relationship or not but it would require each mod

[torpid summit]

OHH okay i see

like how Diversity has a SnatchinBracken compatibility option to make the mods work with each other (but in this case it's turning on/off the interactions between the entities from the two mods)

[tawny herald]

Yes

exactly like that

[tight moat]

Which is super doable and means if someone only wants specific variants they don't need to download a library of all

[tawny herald]

now back to mr venus fly trap/any other plant thats carnivorous

[sly sail]

there are many kinds of carnivorous plants

[tawny herald]

it would work pretty well

[sly sail]

theres ones that wrap around the prey, ones that are like little sacks

also the venus

[torpid summit]

"GET YO FUCKIN BRACKEN BITCH"
"it dont bite"
"YES IT DO"

venus employee trap in question:

[tight moat]

I think a Venus fly trap would be like an outdoor entity with loot in the center and you can get the loot but if you move too much it eats you, like a clam with a big pearl in the center

Rather than a bracken

[torpid summit]

that could work as its own entity yeah

[tawny herald]

Theres flytraps pitchers and sticky traps

sticky traps are a no bc we already got a spider that does that

[sly sail]

i think those are the ones i mean

[tight moat]

Mmmmm outdoor wolf spider.....

[sly sail]

ew, imagine all the baby piders crawling onto your player

nope

thanks but no

[tawny herald]

Imagine being in the facility and the walls start moving with little baby spiders

[torpid summit]

hallucination event incoming

[tawny herald]

guys we cooking here

[torpid summit]

we're not even cooking the correct thing but it's cookin and it smells good

[tawny herald]

fr

[sly sail]

wanted to do pancakes ended up making waffles

[tawny herald]

we made so many entities that started off as variants but dont fit in and became independant ideas

like poison ivy spirit

and soon to be venus flytrap

[tight moat]

Gordon Ramsey be like "this is delicious but it's absolutely not what I fucking asked for"

[torpid summit]

tru

[fathom spire]

sup gang

i aint even gonna lie ive been studying and sleeping all day, sorry

[fathom spire]

i talked with mushie about this last night

i figured out my problem with flowery bracken

so like, if a player has to keep bringing the flowery bracken shit to pacify it and get the slowing time buff

what does that player even do for the rest of the match?

do they just sit there walking around the entity waiting for the day to end trying to keep it entertained?

i dont think it'd be fun to be the designated flowery bracken guy

• the day's even longer, so you'd have to be with that thing for not only almost a full day, but an extended full day

it just doesnt sound fun for someone to just idly sit by an entity doing nothing for the whole round just so everyone can actually have fun and play the game lmao

[fathom spire]

that too

i was thinking maybe flowery bracken could be used as a bee distraction instead of just circuit bees 2

where every few minutes throughout the day the bees would leave the nest if near a flowery bracken and go polinate the flower, then come back

flowery would still be aggressive though

so the catch would be that you gotta get near something pretty aggressive to have an easier time getting the beehive

and maybe since the circuit bees would be producing more honey the value of the hive would be higher after a trip or two

[fathom spire]

not out of the question

thats just up to the coder

i agree that it'd be easier

but uh

i've already set my priorities for which ones i'd want added first, so i think we're fine being a single mod rn

[fathom spire]

i just kinda want this to be a thing, idc either way if we separate this into a bracken mod a worm mod etc

but right now, since im trying to cut down on enemies blablabla i think it'd be fine if we don't split em

maybe when we've 4 or 5 variants in the game we could work on splitting them up?

again, thats up to whoever codes it :P

it's just whatever would make it easier to develop longtime etc etc

[fathom spire]

i fuck w it

anyway yeah, my final thoughts on flowery bracken are: i just don't think it'd be fun to utilize the mechanic at all, you just sacrifice one team member's fun to have a longer round :P

and i also don't even love the concept i came up with myself, cuz i dont think bees need that much expanding

they're fun enough to play around in vanilla lmao

also i think fun guy and aloe have enough depth to their gameplay to where they'll be interesting to play around even after a long time

• i realized that all 3 brackens have a mechanic you can theoretically exploit for your own benefit

and while i dig functional/exploitable enemy ai i think 3 of em is too much

[tight moat]

what is Fun Guy's gimmick again?

[fathom spire]

the fun guy spawns outside early in the day and remains dormant until hostile exterior enemies spawn, it stays near the ship in its tiny mushroom form waiting for hostiles to get within a radius of the ship (not a small one)

when detecting one it'll sneak up behind it and bond with it, becoming part of the entity and enhancing it

so for example, a giant would be able to see from further, a worm would be faster and dogs would hear from further away

it hogs the power level early on though

[tight moat]

I don't think it would be able to bond with a worm

[fathom spire]

oh right, underground

well, i guess if it could latch on as it's leaping?

but yknow what i mean, it would enhance vanilla enemies

the way to deal with it is by staring at it

[tight moat]

gotcha gotcha

[fathom spire]

fun guy retreat back near the once looked at, transforming into their tiny form as they make their way back

it's basically an enemy that only goffers and cams people can prevent from becoming a threat

since the fun guy would have little sound prompts to tell you what its doing

or i guess when it wanders away from the ship

it also has some other interesting behaviors and things you can do with it

if you somehow managed to corner it/catch it when it's in its tiny form, you could interact with it and bond with it

you would get a buff, but would die in 5 minutes (will check if 5 is balanced or not later)

you'd get decreased stamina consumption and enhanced strength, so basically a full tzp buff (cloudy vision and all, just not as cloudy and distracting as being high on tzp)

i came up with it when trying to come up with something to spice up ship gameplay on moons with less traps n shit

it's also my take on the scrapped nettle bracken's debuff

it's also the design that i struggled the least on (2nd being bloat bug) since i had a very clear image of it in my head

[tight moat]

Hm

I'm not sure I'm a huge fan

I feel like the mechanics could be streamlined somewhat

[fathom spire]

im always open to suggestions! what do you think could be streamlined?

the behavior?

[tight moat]

I'm not quite sure, his whole jam just seems like it does a lot currently

Like, a unique buff for every single monster that it can latch onto, but also you can latch onto it, and also there's sort of an involved process with cornering the guy in the first place, and it kills you if you get the bus from it but I don't think you said it would kill enemies after they get buffs from it

And all in all he feels incredibly far removed from being a Bracken variant

[fathom spire]

yeah i did get that before

the whole reason he's a bracken variant is cuz he sneaks behind enemies + hides when you make eye contact

[fathom spire]

no i didn't think about if it should also eventually kill the monsters or not

[tight moat]

I mean yeah but at that point you're also just one step removed from the coil head as well

[fathom spire]

well, tbf, both the coil head and the bracken are one shotting enemies that you have to look at to deal with

[tight moat]

Fun Guy's vibe is just so different to me

[fathom spire]

do you think i should make him more aggressive?

[tight moat]

It just like his own thing honestly

Fun guy is here to party not to snap necks, like they're not even related really, they just shared a dorm room in college

[fathom spire]

LMAO true

yeah it's more of a "convergent evolution" thing