Lobby Control & Matty's Fixes

[grim terrace]

So close but yet so far!

[vagrant root]

Btw @unreal oriole are you still planning to implement TwoHandedStorage btw?

[unreal oriole]

and obiuvsly now that i'm in LAN mode doesn't work....

[unreal oriole]

not really there was already a mod for that

[vagrant root]

Oh I know but I thought Viviko gave you the okay to implement it before

Lol

[unreal oriole]

yeah he did, but my policy stands:
if i can improve it, i will add it
otherwise i won't 😅

[vagrant root]

Haha

[hexed drift]

Yeah, we launched 😄

Still gathering early feedback. I assume there'll be some weird edge cases, but maybe not?

How's it running with your mods?

[unreal oriole]

well, i used it as a soft dependency on all of them, but seems to be working well and as expeted

the one i'm intrested in seeing interactions is the only mod that has to be installed by everyone ( Do Not Eat Items) the others are one host only and one client only 😅

[unreal oriole]

i was waiting for that release as it will help a lot while browsing the server list

[wooden hamlet]

Is there a thread somewhere for this?

[wooden hamlet]

So is it recommended we get LobbyCompatibility then?

[hexed drift]

Uh, not on this server yet. I can make one though.

There's two threads now, one for user questions / release thread, and one for API stuff:

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1220135308666998825

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1220135906199994450

[unreal oriole]

i added support for the mod so who has it will see my mod in the list and be propted for the right compatibility, but as soft dependency means it is not required to have it. and if you plan on playing with it in a modpack with your friends i doubt LobbyCompatibility will be usefull 🤔

[hexed drift]

If you have any screenshots of lobbies running your mods (and LobbyCompatibility), they'd actually make great "real" showcases, @unreal oriole

[unreal oriole]

i just uploaded it so doubt any of them will be in the list yet 😅

[unreal oriole]

all i can give you for now is this

[hexed drift]

Neat

[unreal oriole]

@hexed drift probably because i registered the mod with PluginHelper.RegisterPlugin the mod is listed twice, the second time as unknown 🤔

[hexed drift]

That's peculiar, could you report it in the API thread?

[unreal oriole]

sure

[hexed drift]

It shouldn't be unknown if you registered it

[vagrant root]

Lmfao what is happening here?

@unreal oriole

[vagrant root]

Could it be related to this?

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole is it possible LobbyCompatibility breaks cosmetics?

[hexed drift]

That'd surprise me, knowing how few things we patch

[vagrant root]

Yeah I was just wondering lol

Cus there's no real specific error regarding what mod broke them

@unreal oriole Is it possible the NameFix in Matty Fixes did it? with it disabled when I join the ship it says I joined the ship, but with the fix enabled it references me as Player joining the ship

For my friend he saw no cosmetics on me btw

[versed bramble]

Yeah it's very buggy

[vagrant root]

Have you also experienced broken cosmetics while using it though?

[versed bramble]

My friends never put on cosmetics so I don't know, but I do know that it makes you show as "Player"

[nocturne rock]

Is this okay with more company?

[polar briar]

In my last game everyone had a number after their name on the radar. Also we seemed to have an issue where someone would have a ghost scrap and they couldn't drop it, picking up enough things would make it disappear but the scrap seemed to be lost. Thinking it's something to do with this or Fixes since we never had the issue before

[grim terrace]

@unreal oriole He means big business. 😛

[maiden patrol]

nah i play with it and its fine

[brisk sierra]

Got this exception with strict IL compiler:

[brisk sierra]

Generated IL code

https://github.com/mattymatty97/LTC_LobbyControl/blob/6638f664ede4f877a6712aeb6324dd09a6be4c88/LobbyControl/src/Patches/LimitPatcher.cs#L33

It should be i + 1 😁

[unreal oriole]

🤣 i should have noticed it before, but it was working so never had to check that code again

[unreal oriole]

yes it is possible but i haven't been able to replicate it yet ( but as i cant replicate it in LAN it's highly likely )

i'm pushing a new rewrite of the NamePatch anyways

[vagrant root]

Hopefully that fixes it then ^^

[flat rose]

22 likes on 6.4k downloads

cracked asf ratio

(i know it was separated from ur other mod but still) 😂

[unreal oriole]

i'd have to say like/download ratios are quite skewed on TS in general 😂

[flat rose]

generally if a mod pushes more updates often, they have more downloads since it's not a unique count

22 likes for 6.4k is pretty insane though, don't think i've seen that in awhile

[unreal oriole]

well i'm glad my mod is beeing apreciated 😄

[vagrant root]

Btw Matty

[unreal oriole]

doubt that was the issue because i acutally tested if rolling back fixed this, during my playtime yesterday and nothing changed so it was not caused by ReadableMeshes

[vagrant root]

Ah okay got you got you

Weird then is it not Matty Fixes doing it?

That would suggest a bug with LobbyControl then potentially but how?

LOL

[unreal oriole]

no idea. if it still happens now in v1.0.8. i do not know where to bang my head XD

[vagrant root]

I'm just as confused as you are

😆

I hope it was just the NameFix stuff honestly

[flat rose]

lmk if 1.0.8 does fix it, i just need some piece of mind knowing it's not something i need to look into for mirage so i can work on other features 😭

[rare siren]

before he can fix the game, he must fix the mod 🙏

[vagrant root]

Would you like to try and test it with me? lol

[flat rose]

it's 6am

idk why im still on my pc rn

LOL

[vagrant root]

😂

Cus you don't want Mirage to be brokey

It's keeping you awake

[flat rose]

def gotta go sleep or i'll screw up my sleep schedule even more lmao

lmk how things go if u ever find someone to test with

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole Testing with Reimeiko rn and it looks like the bug is fixed ^^

Now to make sure Mirage doesn't break 😅

[vagrant root]

Yeah all seems fixed now

👍

[unreal oriole]

nice.. i guess MoreCompany really relied on the playernames 🤔 🙃

[vagrant root]

Yep I guess so

[tacit lynx]

Another day another problem 🥴 #modding-general message

Can't catch a break but yeah it seems to be a combination of all 3

[unreal oriole]

it's quite generic if he says all 3 😅

[tacit lynx]

I got on to see myself, and it only fixes itself when all 3 are disabled

Not any single one by itself

or 2

[unreal oriole]

could it be the LobbyCompatibility mod?

can you add it and see?

[tacit lynx]

wait I missed a combo I guess

Worked with only Mirage/Matty disabled

It also works with all 3 enabled if you have LobbyCompatibility

[still stirrup]

🤔

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole You beautiful bastard you fixed it

🥺

How hard was it to track down?

Lol

[unreal oriole]

i did try... not too sure if it is working

[vagrant root]

I shall let you know

[unreal oriole]

and was in there last two versions tbh 😏 just undocumented

@flat rose you'll have to swap to use the alternate SoftDependecy method apparently the attribute breaks :/
Link to my Dependency Class

[vagrant root]

Lol my tag is still stuck at Intern 😆

[analog eagle]

somehow i cant grab anything last session and turning these off seems to work again (solo btw)
and im using pre 2.0 reserved slot

[Error : Unity Log] TypeLoadException: Could not resolve type with token 0100005f from typeref (expected class 'ReservedItemSlotCore.Data.ReservedPlayerData' in assembly 'ReservedItemSlotCore, Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null')
Stack trace:
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::GrabObjectServerRpc>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB,Unity.Netcode.NetworkObjectReference)
GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.__rpc_handler_1554282707 (Unity.Netcode.NetworkBehaviour target, Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader reader, Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams rpcParams) (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_0096)
Unity.Netcode.RpcMessageHelpers.Handle (Unity.Netcode.NetworkContext& context, Unity.Netcode.RpcMetadata& metadata, Unity.Netcode.FastBufferReader& payload, Unity.Netcode.__RpcParams& rpcParams) (at <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_004E)
Rethrow as Exception: Unhandled RPC exception!
UnityEngine.Logger:LogException(Exception, Object)
AsyncLoggers.Wrappers.Unity.<>c__DisplayClass4_0:<LogException>b__0()
AsyncLoggers.Wrappers.JobWrapper:LogWorker()
AsyncLoggers.Wrappers.LogJob:Execute()
Unity.Jobs.JobStruct`1:Execute(LogJob&, IntPtr, IntPtr, JobRanges&, Int32)

[vagrant root]

It might be cus you're using pre 2.0 reserved slot, there's no reason not to be using the current release

The bugs with it have been fixed

[unreal oriole]

i need to add version requirement to the ReservedSlots dependency 🤔

[analog eagle]

seems to be the case
ill try updating to newest

[vagrant root]

yeah the 2.0 versions have been stable since flip pushed 2.0.6

[analog eagle]

yep it worked again

now i just need to figure out my game crashed when having LobbyCompatibility installed

[vagrant root]

inb4 it's something like LECore

[analog eagle]

[vagrant root]

LECore has been having a lot of issues with mods recently

Lol

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole if it helps you at all in trying to track down my badge being stuck at intern I do have over 4500 exp atm ☠️

[unreal oriole]

shhhhh 😅

[vagrant root]

😆

You'll get this bug with the badge fixed then for sure

[iron anchor]

patiently waiting for wesley's port to LLL because of this

[green pendant]

my game is freezing hardcore with lobbycontrol/namefixes/mirage update. trying to figure out which one

[vagrant root]

There has to be a certain level it hard caps at before resetting the badge

[green pendant]

fwiw i have played a ton of LC.. i used to get that badge resetting thing but the last couple of months it's just maxed out and doesn't move from BOSS. I wonder if another mod randomly fixes it or maybe the exp is so high is "maxed out a second time" and now does't cause issues

EDIT: appears to be mirage!

[vagrant root]

My exp is BOSS, but the badge on my character's chest says Intern

[hidden solstice]

in reality we all know you're an intern lun

[green pendant]

oh the badge itself? i think i've had people say that about mine (host) but it seems to fix after the first day

[hidden solstice]

you don't have to hide the truth from us

[vagrant root]

Mine never fixes no matter how many days pass lol

[vagrant root]

Yes approaching 5000 exp Intern

[unreal oriole]

@vagrant root it indeed fixes itself the first time you gain XP in a round

if you die/collect no scrap it won't update the badge

[vagrant root]

How's come everytime I look at myself in 3rd person after then using something like TME it still says Intern?

I wonder if other mods might mess with it hmmmm

[vagrant root]

018e61cc-a4c2-e048-4aa6-164671f35754 Here try with my mod pack and you'll see what I mean

[unreal oriole]

oh 3rd person will always be broken... the badge never updates for yourself 😅

[vagrant root]

Really? It used to

Lol

[unreal oriole]

because you're not supposed to be able to see it

there is a specific check to prevent an update to your own badge 😂

[vagrant root]

Lol tf

I wonder if that can be changed so it shows up in 3rd person properly

Cus I remember it showing my badge as Boss before I went over 1500 exp back on V45, and even early on in V47 after I went over it lol

[unreal oriole]

this is basically

if (isLocalPlayer)
  continue;
else
  UpdateBadge():

😅

[vagrant root]

Ahhh so you can implement it then

So what I'm gonna guess then

is a mod I had at the time used to make it so you could see it in 3rd person

[unreal oriole]

no this is zeekers code

[vagrant root]

Ahhhhhhh

[unreal oriole]

i can easly bypass it tho 🤔

[vagrant root]

Yeeee do it ^^

Cus maybe that will fix masked enemies too I've noticed regardless of the badge a player has

Masked enemies always say intern even with Mirage or MEO

lol

[versed bramble]

I didn't even know Masked had badges

[vagrant root]

Yeah they do 😅

[versed bramble]

I play with a mod that removes them so we can see the suit more
(I made suits with logos instead of the badges)

[unreal oriole]

i mean they do not have a PlayerController object so they will always use the default tag tbh

even if cloning an existing player the badge will still be the default one

[vagrant root]

I wonder what mod I had at the time that bypassed it before for me

Must have been like

Helmet cams or something

Idek

XD

I've been confused for so long about that cus I know I used to be able to see it in 3rd person so I thought my game was borked

😂

[unreal oriole]

😭 because i wanted the code to look nice the actual fix is 4 lines longer than the previous one... i wanted it to be smaller :(((

[vagrant root]

:3

Super clean

Gotta love when you want the lines to be smaller but game says "No"

[verbal thorn]

How is the badge fix different from this mod btw?
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Glitch/RankFix/

[unreal oriole]

as far as i can tell they do basically the same, his will set the local badge at boot, mine will make sure it is kept updated

so the main difference is if you change level while playing mine will show the change while his wont

[verbal thorn]

Oh okay! Neat! Thanks for clarifying!

[flat rose]

niceee i knew mirage didnt break anything LOL

[vagrant root]

Yeah it was just the old NameFix implementation in Matty Fixes, I'm glad the rewrite fixed it ^^

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole Do you plan to update DoNotEatItems to make LobbyCompatibility a soft dependency btw?

Cus I know you said it could be removed but pretty sure DoNotEatItems would throw a fit

Lol

[polar briar]

Why isn't LobbyCompatibility already a dependency, without it on the current version you can't load into a save

[flat rose]

it's bugged, it's supposed to be an optional dependency

[unreal oriole]

i'm quite sure the current verision has already updated to avoid that error... are you still having issues?

if so do you have Mirage?

[polar briar]

I have Mirage, is that the culprit? I didn't even see I updated it

[unreal oriole]

yeah Mirage implementend LobbyCompatibility as a softDependency but the dev was not awake when we found the issues whit the way we added it

soon mirage too will have it fixed and we hope the devs of LobbyCompatibility will also fix it on their side

[polar briar]

My bad for assuming it was caused by Lobby Control, I really need to stop hitting the update all button and pay more attention to what updates. LobbyCompatibility is nice tho, should make it easier to troubleshoot issues in the future

[flat rose]

oof mb matty u catching strays here 😂

[unreal oriole]

i mean all is fair as LobbyControl indeed had the same problem for a short wile but if you see an update it's always good to go and check the changelog 😄

[unreal oriole]

the more a mod spreads the more false positives it will get 🤣

[polar briar]

Speaking of Mirage, it just put out a patch removing support for LobbyCompatibility XD

[polar briar]

Is there any config settings I should change if using General Improvements with Lobby Control and/or Matty Fixes? (in either config)

[hexed drift]

(We will fix it before the weekend is over)

[unreal oriole]

right i forgot to answer you, it is implemented as a SoftDependency so even if Tunderstore complains you can safely remove LobbyCompatibility

[unreal oriole]

there are a couple of overlapping features so you should try and compare the configs

if i remember right you should disable itemsFallingThrough from GI

[polar briar]

I saw that one, was more concerned about missing something important 😅

What about the scrap cap?

[unreal oriole]

LobbyControl litterally removes the lines of code that do the checks so it will override any other mod that instead sets a value 🤣

[polar briar]

Perfect 😄

[grim terrace]

@unreal oriole
The changes you have made to matty fixes have vanilla items properly sit on shelves and floors when placed or dropped. However modded items are either below the shelf they are placed on, or partially sunk into the shelf/floor.

I have no idea why it would work and not work at the same time.

[unreal oriole]

you seem to have some mod breaking the offset of the items, nobody else is reporting issues 🤔

[flint pollen]

Is this the mode where you can have a custom list of items for vertical offsets? If so you're gonna need customize.

I need to test a bunch of items but I remember Geiger Counter being basically under the floor when I checked.

[unreal oriole]

the config for the manual override has been there for a while

[flint pollen]

Oh I was directing the info at SourceShard regarding configgin' if that wasn't clear

Matty for a mod like this which is general and will likely be used at the same time as content mods... Really I am just asking feeling not request, plopping into the default offsets for custom items like Geiger as I described? Like really ideally the collision models on items would be better but is it considered reasonable to try to cover other modders' asses through none-code?

Also a special case, you ever played with physics items and throw items? I really want to but it has problems with duping items sometimes and clipping.

[unreal oriole]

i mean the Collider code in theory should be able to handle modded items unless the modders made them in weird ways 😅 but in case of problems i put the config option there exactly for modpack makers to put their own values

i'm not going to add default values for modded items as the main focus of this mod ( as also stated in the README ) is vanilla

but will gladly add config/APIs for other devs/modpack creators to tweak all the values

[lament jetty]

If im correct Matty fixes covers the features of Lobby control that arent incompatible with other lobby mods

right?

[unreal oriole]

yeah, basically Lobby Control has only host/lobby related stuff and Matty's Fixes has all the other tweaks/fixes/changes that do not fit the other mod description 😂

[flint pollen]

It's cool. I wonder is there any way a mod could touch configs of other mods to utilise them for improved compat. Say I designed an item and knew it was too small so would clip poorely, I might have some code that touched the mattyfixes config to add my item to the list. Then wouldn't need to code that improvement myself. That's a pretty basic example with alternatives but here are more reasonable ones like adding your damaged_flashlight to the reservedflashlight slot.

[flint pollen]

This was a based decision btw. Wish Quality Company and General Improvements had such keep-it-clean mindsets.

[green pendant]

not great to touch another mod's configs.. as it would prevent them from making changes and updates to how it's stored. best to have some sort of interface between the two mods.
imagine a mod changed a config to put letters in a number-only field. and that OTHER mod is the one that crashes due to bad config. that would be impossible to diagnose and would cause an error for the wrong mod, really

some sort of broadcast communication protocol would be interesting. every mod could listen in on it and mods can freely send messages. handle the messages you want and ignore the rest.
think of some basic command/parameters setup.
command: LobbyControl.positionOverride parameters: myCustomScrap:0.15
mods can define their own commands (with modname as a prefix) and then require a specific format. maybe a dictionary of scrap name and float offset in this example, so you don't have to do a bunch of string manipulation.

because you'd just need a dependency on the broadcast API, you don't need to interface with any other mods directly. and anyone is free to listen in or send messages. So even non-lobbycontrol mods could listen in for rotation offset stuff.

each mod would then also handle syncing stuff to clients themselves

[flint pollen]

I mean the issue I see is resource contention. But if the timing was right or the file locking was safe all the touching mod would have to do is deserialise the config, parse it, concat on the end of the list of the config option, then serialise and save the file.

I hear bepinex does config file management though so I dunno...

might have to utilise lethal config or something

in which case that's too many layers so screw it

Broadcast is a good idea mate. Really core. The kinda thing bep would offer ideally.

[rare siren]

bomb, pentagram, bones are from Lategame Upgrades

not sure about bones actually

but bomb and pentagram arent like typical scrap items u can pick up

they're interactables that spawn in the dungeon for completing a Lategame Upgrades contract

there's also a straight up NPC scrap from the mod too

[unreal oriole]

[Warning:Matty's Fixes] Bomb Added to the ignored Meshes!
yeah this is my graceful way of handling mods that do not react nicely XD

if you see the error followed by a line like that you can ignore it

[rare siren]

oki

[verbal thorn]

Having another weird behavior now with that sticky note still 😅
Every time the ship gets back into orbit after the first day, the sticky note gets "duplicated" and spawns in the middle of the ship here:

[unreal oriole]

that feels like OutOfBounds teleporting an object that is below the ship back inbounds, so probably your mod creates a new stiky note each time you go back in orbit 😂

you can easily check that using UnityExplorer and no Matty Fixes and once you get back in orbit you should see two instances of the stiky notes, one on the screen and one somewhere in the negative y values

[verbal thorn]

Oooh, yeah that's probably what happens, the issue is I doubt anybody's gonna update this mod, it's been a while since it's last been updated 😅

Plus it's not open-source so I can't report the issues on GitHub :/

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/HectorAlligator/Solos_Ring_Compass_TWEAKED/source/

[rare siren]

matty, does this or fix mod touch map/moon info screen?

[unreal oriole]

nope not at all, only namefix touches the radar names

[rare siren]

so im getting some sort of error that stops the moon location video from showing

the only changes ive made to my modpack was update 5-6 mods and adding BepInEx Faster load.. i already told diffoz about it

hard to figure out the problem because it happens randomly with no clear trigger conditions

[unreal oriole]

highly doubt this is caused by any of my mods... it has to do with either the GPU drivers. or a corrupted file

[flat rose]

hey matty, when you're using that register method, do you still get this error?

idk if this is just a sign of me not doing it properly

but i'm able to load into a game (in lan)

[unreal oriole]

err no you should not get any errors at all. that means you are still using the wrong softDependency

how are you doing it?

[flat rose]

oh i'll fix it, just wanted to confirm whether or not that pops up

i still haven't changed it yet so it's the old way i was doing it

[unreal oriole]

yeee nope that is bad

[flat rose]

yeah ill just have to make a separate class like u mentioned

[rare siren]

ah u reminded me there was another mod i installed besides bepinfastload.. lobbycompat.. but i wouldnt think that would cause this sort of issue either

[unreal oriole]

yeah my class is litterally the bare minimum you need to do a softDependency.. nothing can be removed from it w/o having to use a hard dependency

[flat rose]

huh it actually does requires 2 different methods at the bare minimum

when i tried combining it and just sticking it to another class, it still errors

separating it like urs works

[unreal oriole]

yeah 😅

you can have more than 2 methods if you need more points of contact with the APIs but they all need to stay in their own file and class
https://github.com/mattymatty97/LTC_LobbyControl/blob/lobby_control/LobbyControl/src/Dependency/ReservedItemSlotChecker.cs

[flat rose]

sounds like a pain to use soft dependencies if you're trying to interact with it more than just a simple register method

out of curiosity why's the NoInlining and NoOptimization annotations needed?

i don't have it and it seems to work for me

[unreal oriole]

they tell the compiler to not try and optimize the method.. if you do not have them the compiler might yeet the method and put the dependency stuff wherever the method was called instead

causing it to error out obvs

https://risk-of-thunder.github.io/R2Wiki/Mod-Creation/C%23-Programming/Mod-Compatibility%3A-Soft-Dependency/

[flat rose]

ah

[hexed drift]

Basically, you put it somewhere the program won't reach, and by not allowing inlining and other optimisations, it won't be tossed out of the other file inlined into the main plugin.cs file.

So it never enters that soft dependency file (if the plugin isn't found), and hence won't try and parse what's up

[hexed drift]

(Since it would cause an exception if it did try to parse it, if the mod wasn't present)

[flint pollen]

I've been trying to enjoy ACompass but I can't suffer lethal_api spam anymore. Unfortunately I need it for bigger lobbies anyway... Both need to ditch that dependency.

[rare siren]

LethalAPI_Terminal dependency was from this mod right? i can just delete right

since u dont use anymore

[green pendant]

Correct

[valid prawn]

using mattys fixes for items not properly placed causes items to clip halfway through the ground

[unreal oriole]

define "not properly placed"?

[valid prawn]

clipping halfway through the ground

[vague talon]

i was soft locked when i entered the lobby, looking through my errors rn, could be this?

[unreal oriole]

if the line below that is a warning saing that the Big Red Button has been added to the list of ignored meshes, then no. that's my way of gracefully handle assets that are not made in a standard way

[unreal oriole]

i need to do more testing, but in general if my mod can't calculate the offset it uses whatever the object had originally, wich for modded items has been choosen by the dev

[green pendant]

Played a few hours tonight with seven or so people. Latest lobby control and fixes. Only like three issues but i don't think any were related to these mods. Didn't seem to have any sinking item issues or anything. Didn't try to reload the lobby though or anything

[unreal oriole]

@vagrant root no idea what happend yesterday but they indeed all rest properly on the shelves 🤔

[vague talon]

wheres mine

https://tenor.com/view/anime-angry-slow-loop-koharu-gif-25050167

[unreal oriole]

uh?

[vague talon]

no wheres my monster plushie

[unreal oriole]

yeah i just pasted the clipboard by mistake 😅

[vague talon]

oh lol

[unreal oriole]

still were there any other errors on your side?

[vague talon]

not from your side

weather tweak was having the time of its life

same with lethal things, tahts probably what caused me to get stuck tbh

[unreal oriole]

i sincerally hope that zeekers fixes the meshes in his next release so i do not have to do this sketchy mesh conversion anymore:/

[green pendant]

Is flooding not working a vanilla issue that was introduced?

[flat rose]

prayge

[lament hemlock]

I hope that there will be next release at all

And LC is not abandoned

[vagrant root]

Might have been fixed with the update for the mod

Lol

[unreal oriole]

i doubt he knows that the fix for so many issues is ( at least from his side ) as simple as ticking a checkbox on each mesh for the items 😅

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole btw I wonder if the shotgun being weird yesterday was some compat issue with your mod and nutcracker fixes somehow 🤔 might be worth looking into

[unreal oriole]

nah i daily run Nutcracker fixes.. never had issues

[vagrant root]

Weird

I was gonna guess LobbyCompatibility causing it not to work but maybe not, maybe DiFFoZ's mod is causing it to break?

[hexed drift]

Lobbycompatibility doesn't touch anything beyond the lobby

[vagrant root]

Yeah I'm just trying to rule out potential recent additions

I didn't think so

[hexed drift]

Just clarifying since I've seen it pop up here and there

(For presumably the same thought process)

[unreal oriole]

i've had to do the same clarifications for a while after i first released AsyncLoggers 😂.

[vagrant root]

Yeah nah you're good my only guess is if maybe they both touched functions related to the lobby somehow

But I doubt it

In our case it seemes like the mod wasn't working, like something prevented it from loading

[unreal oriole]

oh right i haven't yet tested the alphabeta version

lemme do it really quick XD

[hexed drift]

That reminds me I need to stable release LobbyCompat 1.0.2

[unreal oriole]

yup no duplicates 👍

[vagrant root]

I have a big mod pack btw so I wasn't trying to blame your mod btw I just suspect anything I add can and will conflict if it wants to 😂

[hexed drift]

Oh, no worries at all! Just wanted to clarify it in case anyone else stumbled upon this.

100% understand the reasoning

[vagrant root]

Yeah ^^ when something breaks after recent additions to the pack it's like "Okay what broke it?" LOL

especially since Bepin half the time won't give me an error

😦

Lol

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole any chance you can fix the client desync when people pick up the apparatus when late joining? I thought you had the Radiation Warning bug fixed lol

[unreal oriole]

uh? what client desync?

[kindred cove]

isn't that LightsOut issue? 🥺

i mean - i'm sure i'm causing some of that

[versed bramble]

It seems that these two settings aren't working because I was seeing my friend hit with an invisible shovel

[unreal oriole]

yeah shovels do not call neither interact noruse RPCs sadly 😅

they only play an animation which is not so easy to intercept

[flat rose]

v50 is definitely in the works, but i certainly hope that wont be the last version

[rare siren]

why people talking about v50 potentially being the last version?

[versed bramble]

That would be dumb ngl

Abandoning the game that quick

[lament hemlock]

well... it's been 3 months since last update and people are feeling uneasy

that, and lack of communications from the dev

"i'm busy with my life" doesn't sound convincing

so... yeah

i regret nothing anyway, even if it's abandonware

i have 300+ hours of playtime and many amazing and hilarious moments

totally worth it

[rare siren]

i mean 100% the popularity of LC has changed zeeker’s life

the amount of steam downloads. that’s a ton of money.

and pressure to live up to the expectations of a suddenly massive crowd that appeared out of nowhere.

imo since he has money now, he should hire some folks to help him instead of still trying to do it solo, unless he really believes he can handle it on his own

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole you deprecated experimental 😦

I get the 2 versions are on par now 😂 it's kind of funny to see it deprecated though

🫡

[unreal oriole]

i will undeprecate it if there will ever be a need to test extra stuff

[vagrant root]

Probably when V50 drops, unless nothing breaks lol

[flat rose]

i hope that recent "leak" was real and we're not just getting bamboozled

[analog eagle]

the v50 were the mods we made along the way 😂
😭

[flat rose]

true actually 😭

[swift hound]

Leak? What leak

[flat rose]

^ supposedly from a patreon-only chat on his discord server

[hollow copper]

Gotta pay for "sneaks" (bare minimum communication)

[flint pollen]

Guy with 100 million bucks in his chequing account has a patreon? xD

[rare siren]

this patron was prob before he got that money

also if u consider steam’s and uncle sam’s cut, it’s prob less than 50mil. but still rich for sure.

[torpid thorn]

Lol you guys are severely over estimating how much the game made. Probably closer to 5mill

[rare siren]

it made $100mil in revenue and ur telling me zeekers only walked away with 5% of that? naw..

[flint pollen]

Steam takes 30%, my gamers.

[rare siren]

yep

and uncle sam get a cut too

[flint pollen]

This is a good point thanks. Guess they're basically old friends of an indie dev at this point.

[rare siren]

but even then i don’t think he’d be left with 5 mil

production cost of lethal company shouldn’t have been too high either since he did a lot of things on his own, royalty free stuff, and voice acting from family friend

[flint pollen]

_assets from previous games 😎 _

[narrow wasp]

Zeekers is Aussie so it's more the roos who get a cut

[rare siren]

oh he’s one of those 🙃

i wonder if there’s an australian equivalent for uncle sam lol

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole so we had a bug earlier, my friend dropped a Demonic Painting in the ship and I think it went Out of bounds? and it completely vanished, maybe you can look into why 😅

Cus you said it's supposed to teleport items into the middle of the ship but that seems to not be happening

[rare siren]

so the recent lightsout update was u trying to address this issue? how do u know for sure ur mod was causing it tho.

[devout nacelle]

man

he should really add changelogs to lightsout

[lament hemlock]

@unreal oriole is that known bug that disconnected players avatars keep standing still on all clients except for host?

[devout nacelle]

hey

I have that bug too!

and i dont even use this mod

[lament hemlock]

okay, it's something else then

i'm getting tired of bugs in LC tbh

every time we trying to play - all kinds of shit happening, sometimes completely gamebreaking

like, for example, player voice chat heard from the ship wall

[unreal oriole]

😂😅

[lament hemlock]

until they rejoin

or freakin dungeons desync

which is not fixed in ages

and every time i have to restart and restart and restart again

sorry for the rant

[unreal oriole]

the player in the wall is caused by More Company.. the join queue is attempting to fix but the values have to be tweaked depending on the lobby

[lament hemlock]

every time there's more than 4 players in-game or late join is involved - game is falling apart

[unreal oriole]

increase the delay config until it does not happen anymore 😅

[lament hemlock]

the thing is that it's not old bug, it's a new one

like player is running around

but his voice is in the wall

until he rejoins

[unreal oriole]

oh so you see the player but his voice is in the wrong place... yeah that's new

[lament hemlock]

yep

queue kinda works now, it kicks wall players so they can rejoin

it's something new

[unreal oriole]

nope never seen that one but 90% of join issues come from More Company and people joining too close to each other

[lament hemlock]

yeah, we're using it as well

not that we have much choice for >4 players sessions

[unreal oriole]

they already have a fix on github, we're just waiting for them to release it

[lament hemlock]

😔

[polar briar]

This happens to my group on occasion, someone's voice will be trapped a the ship. rejoining thankfully fixes it

[lament hemlock]

i have theory that it's still related to morecompany

usually it happens after lobbycontrol join queue kick wall players and they rejoin

so it might be just part of the same bug

[kindred cove]

why are they waiting for releasing that tho?

😦

[polar briar]

That the whole Nameless thing?

with morecompany

[lament hemlock]

for me wall players are not nameless, but rather Player#3 or something

instead of nickname

[polar briar]

Yeah that's what's mainly been happening to me since using LobbyControl

before it was just Nameless

[lament hemlock]

i hope morecompany and LLL will be patched soon enough before i ragequit 😄

so tired of rejoining/restarting

[polar briar]

Once we get everyone in the lobby working correctly we have no issues, what causes you to need to restart?

[lament hemlock]

LLL dungeon desyncs in the first place

if someone latejoins it's like 75% that desync will happen

and people fall into the void

only rehosting from scratch helps after that

[vagrant root]

Never had this with LLLFixed and people late joining

[polar briar]

Are you using any LE Moons?

[lament hemlock]

no

only dungeons

have that issue every time we play if someone latejoins

it's like guaranteed

[vagrant root]

I tried RosiesMoons earlier they're a lot of fun lol

[lament hemlock]

using LLLFixes as well, with original LLL disabled

doesn't help

[vagrant root]

but enemy ai on them is a bit buggy, especially Sector-0

[polar briar]

I keep both enabled

How do you set the interior weights?

[lament hemlock]

from respective configs

[polar briar]

I do all interior weight changes through LLL and each of the respective configs I set the weight to 0

try that

[lament hemlock]

you mean global LLL config?

[polar briar]

Is there more than one?

[lament hemlock]

only one i guess

[polar briar]

the only interior that I use it's respective config to set weight with is Bozoros and I have no issue

[kindred cove]

I'll try to cook a solution tomorrow

but given my beta weather shenanigans i'm skeptical lmaooo

[devout nacelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1215088130093219840/1219752438618259486/weeee-lethal-company.gif

[vagrant root]

They need a few fixes but I liked them lol

[devout nacelle]

have you found the suprise on affliction

[vagrant root]

Surprise?

[devout nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-funny-cat-raaaawr-gif-23646515

You didnt notice, anything unusual about that moon?

perhaps in its outside population?

[vagrant root]

Did you mean the outside apparatus?

[devout nacelle]

No

wait waht

[devout nacelle]

the what?

[vagrant root]

🤷‍♀️

I mean there were quite a few Yippee Bugs

😛

[devout nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma-sus-jerma985-sus-jerma-jeremy-gif-25376340

[devout nacelle]

anything... else?

[vagrant root]

I really have no idea

LOL

[devout nacelle]

omg

Ok

[vagrant root]

I didn't notice anything

[devout nacelle]

Next time you go there

Try to investigate the hoarding bug population

they arent there to be cute

this is why afflicition is in my top 5 moons

😉

[vagrant root]

Btw ghost girl goes insane on Sector-0 why isn't she that much of a threat in vanilla?

[devout nacelle]

havent played too much on sector 0 aside from testing

does she go nutty?

[vagrant root]

Haha yeah she is way more active

I basically got chased like right after being haunted and had my head get exploded

XD

[devout nacelle]

yknow

that does sound legit

[vagrant root]

On vanilla moons she barely does anything tbh

[devout nacelle]

because Affliction also modifies entities

i wouldnt be surpised is ghost girl is uber racist on Sector-0

But also could be Diversity ghost girl

tweakin

[vagrant root]

Oh yeah she was, but even with Diversity on vanilla moons I've never had her isolate me just talk to me on the walkie usually

[green pendant]

the newer versions of LLL (since the big huge random version that came out) has caused major problems. I did all the custom moon/interior stuff. It was clear really fast that it was more trouble than it was worth. The worst part is some stuff swapped over, others didn't. So now you can't even pick and choose what you want. You're stuck with whatever is on whatever version you're using.

I dropped all the interior stuff, and with it any custom moons on LLL. went back to LECore. Honestly I just did weasley's moons since they're pretty quality overall (gameplay isn't so great at times, depending.)

Rarely have encountered bugs.. stuff like a player having broken stamina (seems to be a rare vanilla thing.) I've added very limited scrap.

LLL on its own will cause most your unplayable bugs. From there, it's broken moons or mods that are poorly coded/abandoned, and then mods that have conflicts with each other.

The fact that there are some super common mods w/o replacements, that also don't get updated much (like MoreCompany) is a huge separate issue.

would be great for zeekers to fix some of these vanilla issues so we wouldn't need so many mods. i don't know that will happen... new content seems to drive player happiness.

the modding community hasn't "matured" for LC where stuff is stable. seems like a lot of experimenting. and if you rely on those experiments, then you're gonna have a bad time. but yeah even the mods that have been around for months still have really obvious bugs.

mods need to stop doing so much. that fact that you can't get more players w/ MoreCompany without cosmetics.. is kind of a joke. the cosmetic system should be entirely separate, and the default cosmetics should be optional too.

I honestly thought AC was bloated as hell.. but as far as more players/late joining.. it was less buggy than the other options! Being able to configure a bunch of spawn rarities and stuff in one mod was actually great. AC isn't to be trusted now... but.. there was a shot that it could have been a powerful base that everything was built on

but again.. it was another monolith

[hidden solstice]

imo zeekers should def implement LC_Masked_Fix, AsyncLoggers, Matty_Fixes (maybe not readable meshes), PathfindingLagFix, distance culling and like maybe LCBetterSaves

[vagrant root]

AsyncLoggers is for bepin logging though

[green pendant]

I agree with those. I would be curious about other stuff, whether they're bugs or just "accepted" now, like the ghost girl fear reset stuff. It not resetting kind of makes it 'build up' on your player. which might be intentional at a certain point. who knows.

jetpack problems too.

but V50 release is going to put us in another bad state. It's going to release while V49 isn't in a perfectly stable state. Maybe you perfected your modpack. Well you can't move it to V50 because not everything is up to date (and may never be again.)
But now V49 doesn't get fixes for it because, maybe MoreCompany never had a fixed version released for it.

[hidden solstice]

oh right lun

mb

[hidden solstice]

fear meter not resetting i personally like, cuz getting haunted shouldn't just go away just like how you want all your problems to do so

also MoreCompany is waiting for v50 for big fix updates iirc

but it's always good getting updates on a game

[swift hound]

Can't you downgrade if you want to? If mods get depreciated after the update? Or will it now allow for multiplayer with friends

[kindred cove]

where sauce 👀

because they're sitting on many fixes on their GitHub

and I want them now 😭

[flat rose]

fr 😭

[lament hemlock]

@still stirrup make it happen 😱

[still stirrup]

swipez didnt actually know that v50 is expected this week until I mentioned it to him earlier today, seems like his current plan is to release all the fixes alongside whatever fixes v50 needs

[lament hemlock]

isn't v50 is just rumors yet?

[still stirrup]

zeekers said on his patreon discord from what i heard

[green pendant]

on the 20th he said something like, as long as there are no bugs aiming for a v50 release in 'a week or so'. so that's this week or potentially a little longer. unless more bug fixes are required

[still stirrup]

thats the screenshot that's been going around

[flat rose]

no clue if thats real or not though

any rich lads here wanna throw some money at his patreon to confirm 😳

[green pendant]

i think if it wasn't real -someone- would have debunked it immediately

[still stirrup]

can confirm it is legit https://i.gyazo.com/2b0f6fede0dd4c14dd976d70bcbc833e.png

[devout nacelle]

god

no

I JUST RELEASED MY MODPACK

[nimble gulch]

Just stay on 49 then. 🤷

[unreal oriole]

sincerally the only one that i really want him to fix in actually ReadableMeshes... because him fixing it is the only way for it to work properly...
all i'm doing is some hacky attepts at tricking unity, but they are not stable and never will be

while from his side a 100% stable fix is just to tick a checkbox in his unityEditor 😅

maybe some better grab, swap and join code 🤔

[flat rose]

OH SHITTT

[brisk sierra]

Waiting for tomorrow update 👀

[nimble gulch]

This server will be a mess for a couple of days. 😂

[unreal oriole]

tomorrow?? 👀

[rare siren]

mod armageddon

[flat rose]

is it actually confirmed? or is it another "tomorrow at 10pm" 😭

[hidden solstice]

nah it's tomorrow at 10pm this time

[kindred cove]

it's this time at 10pm tomorrow today maybe

[kindred cove]

it's cooking 👀

[white geyser]

theres been a new private beta build almost everyday for over a week now

[kindred cove]

truuue

[tall hazel]

I think the 10pm thing is a joke that has grown from this post: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1966720/discussions/0/4289188517340248531/?ctp=2
OP literally says

i love spreading misinformation

[kindred cove]

I've spat my coffee out, thank you for that 😂😂

[flat rose]

oh shitttt

[devout nacelle]

Spreading hate and misinformation is my favorite hobby

[vagrant root]

Ummm @unreal oriole I think your new update for Matty Fixes broke shovels

I bought a shovel and when I opened the drop ship it got sent into the void

LOL

it was gone

[unreal oriole]

O.o

[vagrant root]

Yeah

😆

I heard it drop but it was nowhere to be seen

[unreal oriole]

nope all fine for me 🤔

let me check dropship

[vagrant root]

Okay yeah it's fine at Company

[brisk sierra]

for me shovels are now flying when droping them

[vagrant root]

I bought one on Assurance and it was gone though

[unreal oriole]

items floating is from mods like CupBoardFix and General Improvements that will set the object type to not have gravity instead of fixing it for each item

[tacit lynx]

omg almost throwback!

my shovels just float

[unreal oriole]

showel is fine from dropship too

[unreal oriole]

same on Assurance

#modding-general message other people seems to be seeing floating items 😂

[versed bramble]

#modding-general message
@unreal oriole Disableing readable meshes made it better but it's still floating

was literally typing about that lol

[tacit lynx]

think the items full on disappearing is another mod

but items just floating seems to be from matty's fixes lol

my surprise when I started seeing the shovel on assurance starting to ascend to the heavens

[unreal oriole]

no idea what to say they are all working perfeclty for me

there might be another mod conflicting 🤔 try to disable use_colliders from config

[versed bramble]

disabled everything in readable meshes and they're still floating

but less

[unreal oriole]

wait could it be the asyncAsset thing?

@brisk sierra ?

nope nvm sorry for the ping

[unreal oriole]

if you use AsyncLoggers can you send me the sqlite file?

[versed bramble]

where is it located?

[unreal oriole]

same place of the log file, in the BepInEx folder of the profile

brb. will eat dinner 😄

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole can you test buying both a pro flashlight and a shovel on Assurance? That seems to reproduce having the shovel vanish consistently for me

Let me see if it happens at the company too cus that is hella odd

Yeah at the company it's fine

Hmmmmm

018e8660-7412-87b7-e11a-1f90cea2c1df My current pack btw so you can test @unreal oriole

I'm not having the floating items issue though

[tacit lynx]

• In my pack they're not disappearing
• ItemClipping disabled is fixing the floating thing
• only seems to be for Shovel and Extension Ladder

[tacit lynx]

trying this pack and it's eye opening

but also assurance > pro + shovel they're not disappearing

[vagrant root]

Really? I only have the pro flashlight spawn in

The Shovel just doesn't exist when I open the drop ship

[tacit lynx]

yeah

it's just doing the floating thing

[vagrant root]

That's so weird on my end it just completely vanishes 😆

Wtf

Oh I see why

For me it's flying

[tacit lynx]

Makes sense

[vagrant root]

I watched it drop out

and then go up in the air

🤣

[tacit lynx]

weird it didn't do it when I did it in your pack though lol

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole wtf

Lmfaoooooo

[tacit lynx]

bc it was doing it in mine

[vagrant root]

Yeah I have no idea

That's so strange XD

[brisk sierra]

hmm

[tacit lynx]

might just be because of where they dropped out of the dropship actually

[versed bramble]

That would make sense because the height was never the same for me

[vagrant root]

Yeah and it seems to happen when an item falls on uneven ground after the change Matty did in the new update from what I could tell

@unreal oriole any idea why this is happening?

Yeah it's super borked wtf

I managed to grab it and when I drop it it just returns to floating in the air lol

It's definitely something to do with the bounds calculation change

[rare siren]

the issue is that the tools are covered in oil and it’s raining 😔

[tacit lynx]

Can’t believe I forgot….

[unreal oriole]

yeah when an item offset is calculated it will not change until you close the game and reopen

[vagrant root]

Hopefully you can fix this lol

Ascending Shovels and Extension ladders is funny but also such a wtf scenario

😆

[rare siren]

https://tenor.com/view/ascension-sponge-bob-gif-15077046

shovel & extension ladder making it to item heaven with this one

[vagrant root]

😂

[unreal oriole]

mine:
Extension ladder computed vertical offset is now 0.02622461
his:
Extension ladder computed vertical offset is now 0,6284785

🤔 something is definitely not working

[vagrant root]

Yeah

I wonder what's broken in the public build compared to your build you're using

🤔

[unreal oriole]

that's the point they are the same 🤣

well not anymore now as i'm tying things but until my last message they were identical

[unreal oriole]

Shovel computed vertical offset is now 12.3225
a new record! 🤣 😭

[brisk sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-explode-gif-15295996165959499721

[unreal oriole]

some mod is adding stuff to the items

no idea which one tho

[versed bramble]

The only mod I have that's touching the items is ScannableTools I think

[vagrant root]

He's talking about stuff touching the dropship

I'm thinking FasterItemDropship possibly

[versed bramble]

I don't have anything touching the dropship

[vagrant root]

Hmmmm

Not even General Improvements or LGU?

[unreal oriole]

the two extra components are categorized as Map Hazards so i doubt it is one of the item mods

[versed bramble]

The only thing GI modify from the dropship is making it scannable

[vagrant root]

GI has a few settings for the dropship

But I also doubt GI would be doing this

@unreal oriole is it possible DoorBreach could be doing it for the shovel?

Idk what would be messing with the extension ladder though

[unreal oriole]

no they are also on the other objects

[tacit lynx]

the floating thing still?

Disabled a few mods and shovel isn't floating anymore

[vagrant root]

which mods?

[tacit lynx]

CozyImprovements, LethalThings, and LGU

it's probably LGU

[vagrant root]

LethalThings is possible too

[tacit lynx]

nope

[versed bramble]

I don't have LGU

[vagrant root]

probs LethalThings

[versed bramble]

why would LethalThings affect the shovels and extension ladders?

[unreal oriole]

it's the BlastParticle

[tacit lynx]

yeah probably LethalThings

started floating again when re-enabled

[vagrant root]

Yeah and LethalThings allows things like conductive item charging

and Boomba

blast particle relates to that probs

[unreal oriole]

it's affecting ALL items it's just that not all items can be bought with the dropship 😂

[vagrant root]

Well the issue now is that

LethalThings is barely maintained and updated so you'll likely need to make a patch for it

Unless @clear quail might know how to fix this

[unreal oriole]

oh i already have a patch... trying to make a more decent one tho

[vagrant root]

Ahhhh gotchu gotchu

[unreal oriole]

i do not like this too much but that's all i can do

[vagrant root]

I mean if it works it works, have it auto enable if LethalThings is detected too

if LethalThings isn't installed have it stay defaulted at false

[unreal oriole]

not too sure if it actually is LethalThings but it wont cause issues in normal use.

[vagrant root]

Fair

[unreal oriole]

it's just that i do not like coding explicit exceptions for specific mods :/

[vagrant root]

Yeah fair, in this case it'll be there cus other mods may do it too

[unreal oriole]

uploaded!

[unreal oriole]

is it working?

[versed bramble]

Let me try

[versed bramble]

Yay!

[nocturne rock]

should i use expierimental or og lobby control?

[versed bramble]

they're the same now

[nocturne rock]

bet just wasnt sure because exp is depreceted

[versed bramble]

well yeah if you want future stable updates switch to the normal one

[vagrant root]

So @unreal oriole got a new issue for you lol, the Lethal Things hammer kept spawning in floating for me last night, one time it was even inside of the ceiling on Office and I couldn't grab it lmfao everything else seemed to spawn fine though

[unreal oriole]

again all perfectly fine on my side...

items spawning in the ceiling actually happens quite often in vanilla too ( mainly over the mansion kitchen )

[vagrant root]

Ahh okay lol, it's funny how I never saw them spawn in like that til last night though

[unreal oriole]

dropping it from hand was leaving them still floating or not?

[vagrant root]

I also had one almost inside of the Ceiling on facility once, and no dropping it was fine they were normal

they just spawned in weird

[unreal oriole]

then yes not this mods fault but just weird spawning 😅

[vagrant root]

😂

[unreal oriole]

other thing i can think of is it not having gravity by default... let me check

no at least from unityExplorer it does have gravity

[vagrant root]

I mean the hammer has spawned in weird places before lol

Just never the ceiling 😂 but anything is possible ig

Could be a bug with how it spawns on custom moons too maybe

[unreal oriole]

my mods do not touch the position of any item outside of the ship bounds

so unless it is a problem with the vertical offset ( which isn't in this case ) 🤷

[versed bramble]

Weezer guitar is floating

probably this mod again lol

[versed bramble]

Yeah I think I'm just gonna disable Item Clipping as it makes a couple of scrap float

[unreal oriole]

ypu could just add them to the manual offsets, but if you prefer to just disable the entire thing go on

[polar briar]

Any reccomendations for what to set the offset to?

[unreal oriole]

modded items typically work fine at offset 0

but some might be better with some slight values

0.0xxx

[polar briar]

Now I need to figure out what exactly the weezer guitar's internal name is, also the fire axe😅

[unreal oriole]

if you have itemclipping disabled and alternate lightning particles enabled, you can also disable readable meshes as they will not be used anyways

[versed bramble]

I don't have alternate lightning enabed

[unreal oriole]

Lobby Control will actually print their name ( along with the calculated offset ) in logs the first time the item is spawned

[polar briar]

It's Weezer Guitar and Fire Axe if anyone else is curious

[versed bramble]

I tried that and nothing was changing

tell me if it works for you

[unreal oriole]

you need to reload for any chenge to happen btw

[versed bramble]

yeah I tried that

[unreal oriole]

most if not all the options will not uodate if edited with lethal config

you can check if you wrote it right by checking if the log line changes from computed offset/original offset to manual offset

if it still floats with manual offset 0 then you might have to try a negative offset ( typically smaller than 1 as the unit is quite big )

[polar briar]

I won't know till I find one in game 🙃 Those are the scrap names from LLL tho so I assume they're right

[versed bramble]

you could spawn one with LethalDevMode ig

[polar briar]

I'll have to test, I'll report back later what I figured out

[vagrant root]

Btw @unreal oriole one of the recent updates made it so your mod no longer syncs item rotations between clients anymore

[polar briar]

So just the Weezer Guitar floats for me, no problems with the fire axe. Manually setting the offset to 0 worked for me tho

[polar briar]

^

[vagrant root]

I noticed some of the monster plushies float now too

The Dog and Thumper ones do

[polar briar]

Try manually setting their offset to 0, it worked for the guitar

[unreal oriole]

rotations were never synced betwen clients, they were simply happening at the same time..

i could easily add code for it tho if needed 🤔

[vague talon]

@unreal oriole are you alive

[unreal oriole]

uh?

[unreal oriole]

you called?

[vague talon]

can i see how you made lobbycompatibility a soft dependency? im going through the steps rn, xilo helped a little but im not 100% sure still lol

[unreal oriole]

https://github.com/mattymatty97/LTC_DoNotEatItems/blob/master/DoNotEatItems%2Fsrc%2FDependency%2FLobbyCompatibilityChecker.cs

and has to be a separate class and file

[vague talon]

ty

btw whats up with the adding .stuff to namespace?

[unreal oriole]

namedpace is not important as far as i tested, but it needs to be in a separste file for the code to never even load it if the dependency is missing

[vague talon]

Yeah i get that, was just wndering if this is a convention i didnt know about

[unreal oriole]

if you mean the attributes they come from the soft dependency guide and basically tell the compiler to not try and move the code from inside the method to where the method is called instead

[vague talon]

nah genuienly just the part where you have .Dependency added to the namespace lol

is that like a formatting thing or organisiation?

[unreal oriole]

oh no, it's just my way of keeping things in order

[vague talon]

alright that makes sense, ty, i think i got it all working fine now prob

seems quite short, but this is all i need right?

[unreal oriole]

you also need to call it in the awake under and if condition for the Enabled

[vague talon]

ah, ill check that out later then, i have to literally run

[unreal oriole]

https://github.com/mattymatty97/LTC_DoNotEatItems/blob/master/DoNotEatItems%2Fsrc%2FDoNotEatItems.cs#L25-L26

[vague talon]

Sankyu~

[unreal oriole]

no problem

[iron anchor]

@unreal oriole This is kinda strange, but I'm still getting CalculatePolygonPath spammed in my log even with lobby control's config option to prevent it enabled

[unreal oriole]

yeah if a monster ends up somewhere where it is not supposed to be (where it canno path, like out of the map ) while still alive it will still spam the error

what i do is simply tell the game to stop dead monsters from pathing 😅

and obiuvsly i cant tell alive monsters to not path anymore

[iron anchor]

ah yeah that makes sense

I'll try and find out what monster is causing that because they're obv not spawning properly

I have a bunch of modded monsters in my mod list so go figure lol

[vague talon]

what moon was that

its usually not the monsters fault, but wesley's moons

[iron anchor]

I was on March

[vague talon]

oh dunno then

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole got a bug with the Lethal Things hammer, it spawned in floating, and when I pick it up and drop it it returns to floating

Time for a fix

[polar briar]

Probably needs a manual offset of 0 like the Weezer Guitar

[polar briar]

I just check mine, and I have no issue

[grave elbow]

Does this mod conflict with something that would cause clients to not see people leave the game properly? Their character just stands in place until someone else joins. I checked logs but didn't see anything that seemed like it was causing issues when someone left. The host sees the player leave properly though.

[vagrant root]

In my case it seems to be doing the same as the bug the shovel and extension ladder had before, it might also only happen on custom moons

Try having it spawn in as loot on a LLL moon

[shy dock]

THANK YOU

@unreal oriole Yea for some reason, with my modpack if I use LethalQuantities I need to use the "lobby open" command before doing any other terminal commands or i wont be able to open my moons menu

[valid prawn]

what are the commands in the terminal

[unreal oriole]

type lobby

all the commands are in the form of:
lobby [subcommand] (arguments)

#1217111718224728165 message
@vagrant root
it's not a matter of ignoring i only change rotation for objects inside the ship ( flagged with inShipRoom )

if a mod marks other objects with that flag while outside of the ship i do not have control of it

or you can disable the RotateOnSpawn and you will not see any of them change rotation

[vapid dew]

Has anyone tried if this works for v50 beta? i just want the late joining tbh

[vagrant root]

It does

Also Zeekerss implemented code that prevents people from joining when the ship is landed, if someone joins while the ship is landing now it backs you out to the lobby

[nimble gulch]

Huh? Why? Latejoin is not a thing without mods, so what's the point of that?

[vagrant root]

Probably cus before a lot of times if someone would get in when the ship was landing it would start making the game freak out and have ping rates go insane and such, and the player that joined would be mega bugged

Could have been a mod that did it too but idk what tbh

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole is this change in V50 good?

[still stirrup]

It's not actually any logic changed

For that part specifically anyway

[vagrant root]

Btw he did quite a bit of changes to the masked enemy, and it looks like LC_Masked_Fix will be deprecated once V50 pushes?

He got rid of the ui stuff

[unreal oriole]

uh.. where do you see all this diff files?

[kindred cove]

check your github

[brisk sierra]

ohh

Can you invite me too?

[kindred cove]

sure, i've sent you an invite 👍

[unreal oriole]

👀 thanks, being able to compare the versions is really usefull

this Rpc here is going to make the invisible player fix so more stable

[hidden solstice]

o nice

[unreal oriole]

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalCompanyDecompiled/blob/a2e3db46961ab654950f30f66fea621223cffa6f/game/Assembly-CSharp/GameNetcodeStuff/PlayerControllerB.cs#L3590-L3593
but this line needs to be patched to allow backFilling of disconnected players 🤔

@kindred cove any info about assets? specifically if he fixed item meshes ( for the lighting particle errors )?

[kindred cove]

those are all files dnSpy gave me, i've got no info about meshes 😦

but i'm assuming nothing changed

[unreal oriole]

rip... i was hoping i could yeet my ReadableMeshes patch 😦

[kindred cove]

to be honest there were a lot of assumptions as to what's gonna be changed in this version

and it seems like nothing of that changed 🥲

[unreal oriole]

yeah basically everything in my mods should still be working as if there wasn't even an update...

just need to patch this so backfilling players will have a name and that's it

haven't seen any other bug fixing changes while skimming the diff files but i'm out of my field on Enemy AI ecc

[unreal oriole]

@still stirrup if you know: what's the reason why you decided to use the last playerObject instead of the prefab?

[still stirrup]

prefab was null iirc

[unreal oriole]

👀... it has a value in unityExplorer

[still stirrup]

dunno then, i had some weird issues when i tried playerPrefab which were fixed when switching back to using an existing object as a template

cant specifically remember what though

[unreal oriole]

i geuss i'll have to try myself then

[unreal oriole]

@still stirrup 🙌 i yield. expanded player count is all yours 😅

i can't deal with this gameobject madness

[vague talon]

loool

bugginess ingame anyway comes from latejoins mostly not expanded player count, wouldnt disable morecompany cuz they have cosmetics :3

[flat rose]

wait out of curiosity, where's the player prefab stored? i remember looking for it in the past, and it's not in the networkconfig's list of network prefabs

[unreal oriole]

yeah the issue is that is is not registered as a prefab

it just exists in StartOfRound.playerPrefab but trying to instantiate it results in various NullReferenceExceptions for the PlayerControllerB

and the IL code says that the null values are this 🙃 which should not be possible

[desert lichen]

Could you send me an invite aswell?

[kindred cove]

check your github

[desert lichen]

Thanks

[vague talon]

Doesn't 1a3 have a website detailing the changes?

[kindred cove]

what's your point

I like using system I'm familiar with, can interact with on PC+ mobile & can use directly inside VSCode

and that's that

[still stirrup]

v40 -> v45
v45 -> v47
v47 -> v48
v48 -> v49
v49 -> v50
v50 -> v50.1

The reason I did diffs is since zeekers said it's fine to share diffs but not the entire decompiled code https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1168656318345777313/1187490369991090246/image.png?ex=66184696&is=6605d196&hm=35f16aca336659ddebc3ca4a23f58f08578c272f908eb2de27993f44cdbb4b2c&

[kindred cove]

and that's why I'm keeping the thing private

[still stirrup]

fairs

[kindred cove]

I just have more familiarity with using GitHub and want to be able to use that

😅

[still stirrup]

I also have an unofficial changelog https://1a3.uk/docs/article/17

[unreal oriole]

nice .uk site

[unreal oriole]

Lobby Control experimental

• fix for broken saves after Firing sequence ( even with autosave off )
• fix limit to lobby-1 players
• AsyncLoggers new API

@vagrant root there is a new Experimental config, that should improve the recovery time from yesterday networking problems

under Networking

default values have not been tweaked much but are the unity suggested ones 😅

[vagrant root]

Yeah I think I found the mod that was causing it but this will be super useful ty lol

[crimson sorrel]

Desynced moon weather and store sales, any idea what could cause this or if it' an vanilla problem?

[unreal oriole]

that can happen in vanilla, if you do not have LLL/LE you can try to run lobby load and reload the current lobby ( that should sync everybody to the same seed,planet and weather ).
i haven't tested it with LLL or any other moon/interior mods to be fair, but i also never got any bug reports about them 🤷

[crimson sorrel]

what happens if a player selects a moon with event but host doesn't have that event?

[unreal oriole]

that's a question for the extra moons/interior developers

but typically big desyncs... if clients and host have different moons

you should go to #help-and-troubleshooting for this kind of questions

[polar briar]

Do you have weathertweaks and terminalformatter?

Those might fix your issue

WeatherTweaks should fix your weather desync but I'm not too sure about shop desync don't think I've had that issue before

[flint pollen]

Do moon mods (not) force a client/host joining error if you have different ones?

[crimson sorrel]

Lobby rename doesn't work with spaces

[unreal oriole]

should work... i've been using spaces for a long time..

names are still following the same limits of the normal filed so there is a character limit

[flint pollen]

I do notice a very strange behaviour with the lobby names. Sometimes I'm limited to like 5 characters and it seems to have something to do with using capital letters. But it's so inconsistent that I can't identify the pattern. Sometimes I seem to be able to use 20 or so characters mostly lower case.

[crimson sorrel]

It just cuts off after a space

[unreal oriole]

might have an idea why, will probably fix in a later update

[wooden hamlet]

After the most recent update players can no longer late join or be invited to the lobby even if i set the lobby status to open

[unreal oriole]

any errors in the logs?

[wooden hamlet]

Not that I could see, I can see where it shows me trying to set the lobby closed and back to open to try to fix it where it says
[Info :LobbyControl] Lobby is now Open
[Info :LobbyControl] Lobby is now Closed

Also tried renaming the lobby, but nothing worked. And none of the players in the lobby had the option to invite on steam

Heres the full game log

[unreal oriole]

oh that's because other clients will not see the lobby as open unless they too have the mod, if only the host has the mod only the host can invite people for late joining

[wooden hamlet]

Everyone had the same mods, same mod profile

[unreal oriole]

uhm...

[wooden hamlet]

Does the mod require AsyncLoggers?

[unreal oriole]

no, but has integration for it

also were you trying to invite with the ingame invite friends button?

that button is bugged in vanilla. and you should always use the steam friends window ( not the overlay one, tha actual window )

[wooden hamlet]

I tried using steam friends window

there was no invite option, as if the lobby were closed

also previously, everyone was able to use the steam friends option to invite people when the lobby was open

but it would disappear if the lobby was closed

and it was working two days ago

[unreal oriole]

🤔 . i did not change anything about that in this release

[wooden hamlet]

let me see if i can reproduce it real quick

Well i tried landing and launching and now on a new save and it seems to be working?

Something weird tho is that the lobby that was bugged didnt have a name, and one of the things I did to try to fix it was rename it, which didn't help

[unreal oriole]

how is it possible for a lobby to not have a name?

or the name was ( a space )?

[wooden hamlet]

I don't know, that's what weird, when I tried to make one just now it forced me to put something in

there didnt seem to be a space between the quotes on the terminal

when i did lobby status

[unreal oriole]

the rename function is sligthly broken atm and will only use the first word of the name ignoring anything past a space

that feels like something bugged bad on steam/vanilla game and allowed you to create an invalid lobby

[wooden hamlet]

it was a brand new save, so im not sure, im seeing if i can find the place in the log where the lobby was first was made

[Debug :LobbyControl] System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array. at (wrapper dynamic-method) HUDManager.DMD<HUDManager::AddPlayerChatMessageClientRpc>(HUDManager,string,int)

I dont think that's related is it?

[unreal oriole]

that's from MoreCompany

[wooden hamlet]

i dont see anything else out of place. Ill just assume it was something weird with the way the game initialized the save and is unrelated to the mod

[unreal oriole]

@solar monolith , from the conversation we had in https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1200144261333659729
can you check this Proof of Concept repo?

have i missed something?

[solar monolith]

as far as the shotgun goes, it seems nearly there, although I don't think syncing the ammo after reload starts will prevent it from reloading if the ammo count is desynced

it might be nice to inject into it after the WaitForSeconds(0.3f) so that you can wait for a response from the server setting the ammo count

and then stop the animation and exit if it is full already

for the player patches, I'm a little unclear about where PlayerNetworking is instantiated, and I'm not sure what the purpose of requestSyncUsernameServerRpc() is, I don't think I've seen clients not know the names of players before

obviously it doesn't hurt to sync that as long as the name is always valid when PlayerNetworking awakes, but it doesn't seem necessary from my experience

I don't seem to see any calls to syncInventoryServerRpc() either?

is this intended to be a dependency for other mods?

[nocturne rock]

Is lobby control experimental still play to use?

[unreal oriole]

PlayerNetworking is attached to the PlayerControllerB

whole the ShotgunNetworking is attached to the ShotgunItem

[unreal oriole]

the idea is allowong it to be owner authoritative, so the client once it finishes reloading will broadcast to everybody the new ammo count ( i have to add a postfix also after shooting )

[solar monolith]

yeah, I just couldn't find where it gets instantiated, but maybe GitHub code comprehension didn't work (wouldn't be surprised)

[unreal oriole]

the requests are for when a client connects, as the start will only be called once an item is instantiated/spawned on the network

[solar monolith]

that seems reasonable, but then maybe it's best to sync the ammo on shotgun pickup like I do in NutcrackerFixes and then again after reload

any plans to verify that there's ammo in the player's inventory before the reload finishes?

[unreal oriole]

i sync the ammo on client join, and then allow the clients to tell everybody what ammo/safety the shotgun has if it's in their inventory 🤔

uh is there a way for a player to start reloading w/o ammo?

[solar monolith]

I suppose that's fine if we can assume that no shenanigans happen in the intervening time between join and reload

[solar monolith]

if inventory desyncs

[unreal oriole]

more precisely on object creation

[solar monolith]

(which I understand this mod is intended to prevent, but it's best to assume it can always happen regardless)

(assuming you want to go that far into the server-authoritative model)

[unreal oriole]

i mean if shotgun is on the ground, nothing can change and if it gets picked up then it's going to be handled the player holding it

[unreal oriole]

at the moment i was leaning on the owner-authoritative model

[solar monolith]

right I suppose I missed that

that kind of model isn't as easy for me to reason about so idk how much I can help with verifying your changes

I suppose the unity networking model encourages switching ownership but personally I'm not really a fan of that

[unreal oriole]

it's the model that allows me to send the fewer Rpc, to always assume the owner is right

[solar monolith]

yeah

it's just that the server is the only thing that is guaranteed to have the ground truth

[unreal oriole]

if i had to go server-authoritative i'd need to put transpliers in many actions to make them wait for the server to confirm

[solar monolith]

once you start basing things off of the flawed model that clients have of the game it gets harder to figure out what all can go wrong

yeah

fair if you don't want to do that

[unreal oriole]

the idea is to assume things related to the PlayerController are corrent only on the owner ( eg. server might have a wrong slot order )
so it's the owner job to broadcast it's situation to allow for everybody to be aligned with it's view of itself

[solar monolith]

yeah, players being their own truth makes sense at least, assuming that they can't create items out of thin air and tell the server that they have them

[unreal oriole]

that is prevented by unity itself

[solar monolith]

I suppose that's true

[unreal oriole]

but a bad actor might report him holding items that are not reachable

[solar monolith]

at least as far as the physical objects go

[unreal oriole]

even so this mod is not intended to be an anti-cheat

[solar monolith]

with items being consumed it gets trickier and easier to exploit

like the shotgun ammo

yeah

imo anti-cheat and synchronization kinda go hand in hand though

cheats in games like this are usually some sort of desync

[unreal oriole]

yeah but making an anti-cheat mod will require way more changes thst i'm currently willing to work on 😅

[solar monolith]

the more redundancy and verification there is, the less chance there is that an item gets consumed when it shouldn't be or when it doesn't exist

yeah

that's the way I feel too lol

I just set out to fix very specific things that I know are a problem

[unreal oriole]

the best way would be to make it all server authoritative

so the clients cannot report wrong but then we're back at square one of the discussion

[solar monolith]

if the goal is specifically networking bug fixes, then it would probably be good to make sure to document what each patch is intended to fix in the code

that way I don't have to ask you why you added a patch to sync the username :^)

[unreal oriole]

will do that for sure, yesterday i just threw together the first commit and went to bed 😅

[solar monolith]

[unreal oriole]

the username is for some rare latejoin cases

[solar monolith]

anyway, I think I'll probably deprecate NutcrackerFixes in favor of your mod if it's sufficiently customizable (in case any issues can occur with it)

after v50 the hitreg issues are basically nonexistent finally

[unreal oriole]

sometimes people will show up as unknown ( as steam does not recognize then as part of the lobby ) or have the name of the player they backfilled

[solar monolith]

huh that's curious

I've never experienced that

[unreal oriole]

please wait for a bit.. this is definitely not ready for release 🤣

[solar monolith]

oh yeah, I mean it's only getting deprecated for v50

we're all on Zeekers's timeline

the patches that still exist in it are mainly just to fix the safety and ammo count desyncs, which I assume LobbyControl takes care of

so I can recommend that in the meantime

[unreal oriole]

LobbyControl control takes care of then when joining, obvs any desync thst happens after joining is not handled by LobbyControl ( other than the current held slot )

[solar monolith]

yeah

[unreal oriole]

this new one will hopefully address such cases

[solar monolith]

I would assume that type of desync is extremely unlikely

main thing is I don't see a reason to update NutcrackerFixes if another mod will do similar patches

less work for me :3

[unreal oriole]

i mean i could try and convince you to contribute to the new mod 😏

[solar monolith]

uh oh

tbh I can see myself doing a few little things if I notice bugs

we'll see

I really want to look into more perf issues

[unreal oriole]

i'm fine with only suggestions, i wont press dw

it was a half joke

[solar monolith]

nah I mean I like mods like this, I can see myself doing it

I prefer my mod profiles to fit with the style of the original game with good balance so I don't tend to use too much more than QoL mods

[unreal oriole]

define play to use?

[naive smelt]

is lobby control and matty's fixes not compatible with v50? before I can see it on lethalconfig but now I cant. and it seems late joining is not working

[unreal oriole]

LobbyControl is definitely compatible Matty Fixes should be but is not fully tested... we've already had many sessions with them so unless a new patch broke them they should work

[naive smelt]

this is from my friend who late joining

i mean I cant see them in the lethalconfigs (or wont generate configs) in v50

[unreal oriole]

are you sure you have them installed? check the logs at the start of the game and see if any errors are thrown

[naive smelt]

i've already loaded the game but the configs wont generate itself

[unreal oriole]

that just means the mod never run, not even once

again check the logs and check if the mods have been installed in the plugin folder or not

[unreal oriole]

this is a cut out log file there is nothing about Lobby Control or Matty Fixes in here

also current AsyncLoggers has a bug and will crash if more than 1 .sqlite file is present, please delete the older one or disable the DbLogging

[naive smelt]

how to check the plugin folder? im new to this

[unreal oriole]

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