[Ported] Giant Specimens

[calm widget]

Though I still don't really know why it wouldn't work lol

I guess I might as well update it, tested just fine for me

Posted update, should help with people saying that they haven't been seeing driftwood spawn scrap lately

[wet slate]

Isn't that because gameobject will be destroyed after changing the scene?

iirc Unity removes check if native object is destroyed in release build

[trim flax]

@calm widget sir

whats going on here

[calm widget]

good question, i don't actually remember the exact purpose, i think i took this from LGU, but basically the samplePrefabs was basically a list of items i didn't register into the game but just made the grabbableobject etc so that i can just spawn em in, i dont know what the point of this specific patch was though

also please do reconsider the nullable stuff in LLL, it would be super helpful for future maintainers of LLL

[trim flax]

mans trying to flank me with that whaddahell

[calm widget]

i was going to like, dm you about it

when u woke up

but ur here rn so might as well

[trim flax]

my main concern is doing that through your mod directly and not via LLL or even LL

[calm widget]

yeah im not doing that in the newer version of the mod itself, it hasnt caused any issues surprisingly, probably because its just a list and isnt assigned really anywhere

[trim flax]

ah ok

the startofround coroutine seems odd aswell

[calm widget]

it's just a standard coroutine to make sure startofround's network object was spawned i think before doing anything with an rpc

[trim flax]

its dumb tho

no offense

you can just use OnNetworkSpawn bestie

[trim flax]

hideFlags = HideFlag.DontSave will keep it alive during scene changes

[calm widget]

yeah i dont really remember why there was a couple functions for checking that rather htan just doing onnetworkspawn, but it's mostly fine

so can i provide a jab to the right with asking about nullable again :p

[serene sky]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blast-off-launch-cat-jumping-into-camera-gif-6639037559618288527

[craggy zealot]

@calm widget Did you find a fix yet to Driftwood Giant having a horrible detection range/aggro?

[limpid whale]

She said she's gonna redo the EnemyAI when she merges the mod into CodeRebirth

I currently despise Driftwoods tbh

[craggy zealot]

the model and animations is dope but it's just not a threat at all lmfao

You can walk past them even if there 10 feet away

no problem

[limpid whale]

Idk what you mean they see me across the map most of the time and grab me

lol

[craggy zealot]

Because they just never aggro

[craggy zealot]

For me they never aggro

Idk why

[limpid whale]

🤷‍♀️

I tell you what, compared to the hell they put my group through sometimes maybe you should be glad

XD

[craggy zealot]

The normal giants are already annoying enough to deal with so maybe it is a good thing

still would be cool if it actually worked properly though lmfao

[limpid whale]

Speaking of that I need to remember to blacklist the Redwood from Titan lol

It doesn't work on Titan

😂

[limpid whale]

You might just have a mod affecting them honestly

[craggy zealot]

Probably but it seems like it's an issue with other people as well, I've seen a couple people have the same problem if you scroll up a little in this thread, also seen people talk about it in #help-and-troubleshooting

[limpid whale]

Idk I'll have to test if they're dumber now in my pack now that I removed LCUltrawide lol

Cus that changes things a bit, so maybe it increased their LOS as well due to rendering more

[midnight verge]

giant specimens getting sucked into code rebirth? that’s news to me 😮

[limpid whale]

Xu did a poll a while ago

and most voted yes to it

[wet slate]

[Error  : Unity Log] InvalidOperationException: Collection was modified; enumeration operation may not execute.
Stack trace:
System.Collections.Generic.List`1+Enumerator[T].MoveNextRare () (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_00013)
System.Collections.Generic.List`1+Enumerator[T].MoveNext () (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_0004a)
GiantSpecimens.Enemy.PinkGiantAI.LeftFootStepInteractions () (at ./src/PinkGiantAI.cs:391)

[calm widget]

that's odd

foreach (EnemyAI enemy in RoundManager.Instance.SpawnedEnemies) {

[silver wedge]

That might break if an enemy spawns in between.

[calm widget]

[wet slate]

Looks like some mod removes enemy from the list when it died?

that looks like may break a lot of things

[silver wedge]

Why you need to know what enemies spawned when walking though?

[calm widget]

its kind of like a 70 foot giant that damages nearby enemies

[silver wedge]

And you couldn't do that through collisions?

[calm widget]

its a shockwave

well

it'd have been a weird setup cuz this one is an animation event

i really dont like how collisions are setup in base game

[wet slate]

yep enemy from Surfaced destroyes itself

[calm widget]

enemies do that normally too iirc?

[wet slate]

no

[calm widget]

theres a destroy toggle that uh

idk if any enemies use that

[wet slate]

enemies are destroyed only when leaving the level

[calm widget]

nah hold on

[silver wedge]

KillEnemy has a bool param for destroy, yes.

[calm widget]

it's one of the enemy type options

[silver wedge]

Most have it on false however.

[calm widget]

yeah

i guess they can just, disable a couple things instead of network despawning it?

[wet slate]

👍

yeah that option destroy the network object

[calm widget]

ye, they wanted a delayed death which is why they handled it on their end

[wet slate]

so yeah copy the spawned list before enumerate

[calm widget]

okie

[wet slate]

use ListPool for that

[calm widget]

never heard of that term but ill look into it

[wet slate]

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Pool.ListPool_1.html

[calm widget]

after looking a bit into it, i cant really imagine that this would help much with the current issue, instead since the problem is using it in a coroutine all i did is this:

[frail nexus]

yo the red giants still slide a ton

[calm widget]

yeah i havent updated to fix that, forgor

ill change it in dev version now so that when i remember to upload another update, it'll be fixed lol

[brisk umbra]

Nooo please don’t sell your soul to an overbloated mod. Just look at what happened to AdvancedCompany

[calm widget]

that is not why advanced company died

but also, this is all "content" that is toggeable in a way that would not open assetbundles so if something heavy like a moon would be turned off, it wouldn't be taking a chunk of ur ram

[mortal moss]

would still be taking file space though

[calm widget]

Yeah but idc about that

[wet slate]

[Error  : Unity Log] InvalidOperationException: Collection was modified; enumeration operation may not execute.
Stack trace:
System.Collections.Generic.List`1+Enumerator[T].MoveNextRare () (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_00013)
System.Collections.Generic.List`1+Enumerator[T].MoveNext () (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_0004a)
GiantSpecimens.Enemy.PinkGiantAI.Update () (at ./src/PinkGiantAI.cs:232)

Still getting IOE

[calm widget]

Huh, still?

I woulda thought that would solve it

Interesting

[mortal moss]

i do

[finite turtle]

How come my Driftwood Giants do not attack players at all

they do not seem to notice you and only go after other AI

[blissful wolf]

How is thid a reoccuring problem for people? I've never experienced this issue

[opal wing]

only every seen that when using it with lethal phones

[finite turtle]

that's the mod we're using

is it causing the giant to not notice us?

[opal wing]

yeah these mods conflict for some reason

[finite turtle]

that's odd

[craggy zealot]

I don't use lethal phones yet the giant never notices me either

[opal wing]

huh, gotta see what might be conflicting

[craggy zealot]

yea quite a few people have this problem and they don't use lethal phones either lol

[opal wing]

I can confirm it still has issues with phones so it must be some common method that lobotomizes the driftwood

[craggy zealot]

do you want me to send my mod code or something so you can maybe see if one of the mods Im using is causing a problem where the driftwood has poor detection

[opal wing]

imma do some extensive testing tommorow and report here what mods seem to have this issue

[craggy zealot]

alright

[opal wing]

my pack rn has 240 mods so me having another one of the broken mods is likely

[craggy zealot]

Most of the mods I use are just monster mods (surfaced, scp mods, diversity, facelesss stalker, etc..) with the exception of a few quality of life mods like shiploot, morecompany, and latecompany

and then I also use 1 custom map moon which is welcome to ooblaterra

[opal wing]

I got a lot of eveything, only 1 cosmetic and audio mod tho

[serene sky]

When will you release the Small specimens?

[calm widget]

Look in ur pants

[serene sky]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-crying-kitten-crying-05starrynight-gif-10141647709992578610

Its... its average

[calm widget]

The Average specimens

[serene sky]

I bet it has a great personality...

[fast jacinth]

Did you really have to do them like that?

[calm widget]

Yes

[fast jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-frown-dwight-the-office-angry-gif-16273946

[fast jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-modern-warfare2-stare-meme-2022-gif-27104713

I swear xu your a specimen that's one of a kind.

[calm widget]

something like that

[rocky sparrow]

you could try using a for loop if foreach doesn't work because of the errors at least

[finite turtle]

I uninstalled Lethal Phones to check if it's causing it

It is

Im done using it cause it breaks coilheads too, when you look at them and take the phone out it registers as you not looking at them and they kill you

[livid aurora]

I tried Lethal phones when it first came out but it was buggy on launch so I just never went back. Seems like it's still broken after all this time

[opal wing]

never really had bugs on realease

from what I saw

[livid aurora]

Might have been a mod conflict

But still, it turned me off from the mod

[opal wing]

Now its def broken, there is word of a patch in the distant future

[livid aurora]

That's nice

Personally it's not really my type of mod either, so it makes sense why I never used it

[opal wing]

I like giving some basic starting gear to my players

[livid aurora]

There's no separate mod that does something like that?

Likeee drops a set of starter gear for free on the first day of the session

[opal wing]

What I mean is that this and local flashliht are like weak ways of light and communication that you start with and dont take up inv slots

but to compensate they are way weaker

[livid aurora]

You mean the little baby "flashlight" view you get when you're in pitch black without anything?

Employees be having built in night vision

[opal wing]

True darkness from diversity makes the scan not work like night vision

[livid aurora]

I wasn't talking about the scan

Just the general light you get when you're in a dark spot

Like Phasmophobia

I'd you've ever played that

[opal wing]

oh thats gone too

with diversity

[livid aurora]

Diversity isn't updated yet unfortunately

[opal wing]

yeah im waiting on a patch before playing my pack

[livid aurora]

True darkness is a bit too hard for me too but I could try it next time I'm feeling daring

[opal wing]

id prob turn it off local flashlight didnt exist

[livid aurora]

It gives the flashlight some actual use

With true darkness

I never use a flashlight

Unless I'm feeling different

[opal wing]

yeah thats what I like about it

[livid aurora]

But also without a flashlight you basically can't do anything

[opal wing]

so the local one acts as a compromise

[livid aurora]

In true darkness

What local one

I thought that was removed with diversity

[opal wing]

the mod "local flashlight" give a weak recharging headlamp that if overused burns out for a bit

[livid aurora]

Ooooooh

I had no idea about that mod

[opal wing]

ah lol yeah, it makes true darkness fair as you will always have SOME form of light on you

its a really shit light

[livid aurora]

Is it updated?

[opal wing]

ye

[livid aurora]

Link?

Or is it just called local flashlight

[opal wing]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Command293/LocalFlashlight/

[livid aurora]

Thank you

Is it compatible with reserved slots?

Since both modify the ui

[opal wing]

no reason not to be

you can move the ui

[livid aurora]

I'll try it later tonight probably

[wise coral]

me when giant no no spawn 💔

[wise coral]

nvm they do work but i dont think theyre spawining on art

[craggy zealot]

@calm widget Any progress on the update for this mod?

[calm widget]

not too much unfortunately, im hoping to get some work done for it in a couple weeks though

[calm widget]

depends on your config, what's it looking like

[wise coral]

artifice is 200 for rw and dw, ive seen dw on offense and adamance but nothing else (to be fair i didnt play the other moons too much) but i did play art frequently

it mightve been the power cap but given how much i was on art and i didnt see them despite the spawn weight im not sure

[craggy zealot]

I see, take your time, I'm just mainly waiting for the redwood config to make it hostile towards players 💀

[wise coral]

thats fucking terrifying

[calm widget]

lmaoo i forgot about that one

[wise coral]

cant wait to scare my friends since they already think its friendyl@

[calm widget]

[wise coral]

we are always like "i like him he chill"

wholesome family

[serene sky]

i sacrificed my entire family to the redwood

[craggy zealot]

@calm widget can Pjonk be killed I hit her like 4-5 times with a shovel and she didn't die

[calm widget]

yeah she can be killed

she has like 15 hp, gets stunned decently easily

[calm widget]

as i port things from giant speicmens into coderebirth, what do you guys think of the name Redwood Titan and Driftwood menace colossal or smthn

im not good with names

lol

Redwood Guardian maybe

maybe Sequoia (redwood tree name) Sentinel

or Ancient Guardian/Protector

instead of driftwood giant maybe driftwood mauler/brute

[dim hull]

Driftwood Menace is pretty fun ngl

[calm widget]

lol maybe tbh

[brisk umbra]

as i port things from giant specimens into coderebirth
😢

[calm widget]

it'll be a lot better lol, and also everything in coderebirth is toggleable, i made sure the only possible bloat is the size of the mod itself, no extra ram etc if you disable something

[normal sierra]

Redwood Titan sounds cool and fits well, not sure about Driftwood Colossus or Driftwood Menace since I don't think it fits its mechanic of being a chuckster thrower

[dim hull]

It is menacing

[normal sierra]

maybe something to do with its scream or long arms instead?

[brisk umbra]

I like them being called giants

It fits

[normal sierra]

like Driftwood Shrieker or Mangrove Beast? idk

[brisk umbra]

Install size is important to some people too (including me)

[calm widget]

here's a secret, giant specimen's size stuff is pretty badly optimised and compressed, if i add it into coderebirth with my new settings it'll look te same and be half of what you downloaded, lel

[brisk umbra]

Fair enough

[calm widget]

ik install size is important too, coderebirth hopefully won't end up being something huge as i manage and find more ways to compress stuff, iirc rn its sitting at like 20mb? would sit at around 40mb or 30mb with the giant specimens added into it

eventually a moon will be added into coderebirth too, but will also be properly compressed

[ebon thistle]

Redwood Titan is great

[calm widget]

also im trying to remove any collisisons from player to redwood when redwood is clipping through ship* though you do need the ship door closed

[ebon thistle]

Driftwood could honestly stay as giant I don't think there's any issue w that

[opal wing]

redwood colossus?

guardian also sounds nice

[dim roost]

Redwood Giardian is most fitting imo, since it eats other large specimens that aim for us.

Driftwood Menace is also quite fitting with how fast it can catch and subsequently throw you. Also you should make the throw less vertical and more horizontal

[brisk umbra]

Why not just keep them as giants lol

Forest giant, Redwood giant, Driftwood giant

It’s clear consistency and lets people know their part of a family

[calm widget]

cuz ForestGiant isn't really called ForestGiant

it's the Forest Keeper

Forest Keeper
Redwood Guardian
Driftwood Menace

[dim hull]

could go Driftwood Marauder

[scenic hamlet]

holy shit i know you

[dim hull]

yeh I'm the one drawing the sexy balatro cards

[plucky dome]

If anything Redwood should either be Colossal or Titan to fit with the Colossal Titan from the AoT anime

Driftwood reminds me a bit of the Jaw Titan as well

[ebon thistle]

yeah these are ok

[calm widget]

Those were indeed some inspirationa

[near portal]

More like Beast titan

[scenic hamlet]

Talking of inspiration, there’s a mod that play some aot song when someone is eaten by a titan, will the mod work with your custom titan mod ? Idk how you coded your mobs tho

[calm widget]

None of my giants eat players

Lol

But also even then no

They're completely custom enemjes

...there is a mod thay adds a yeet sound effect to the driftwood

[craggy zealot]

Redwood soon will do that 😈

[calm widget]

Lol

[plucky dome]

is there plans for redwood to eat players?

[dim hull]

if you jetpack into their mouth you die

[remote aspen]

I’ve always assumed the players are just too small to even register as food for something so big

Not worth the effort etc

[craggy zealot]

yea but it's kinda lame how something so cool looking and terrifying is friendly and poses 0 threat

[dim hull]

oh no it can step on you

[craggy zealot]

that literally never happens unless you purposely try and get yourself stomped on

and even then it doesn't instantly kill you it does like 10 damage at most

[remote aspen]

I find it cool that it DOESN’T threaten you unless you try to sniff its toes.
Traveling alongside one as a giant deterrent is awesome

Agree that the stomp should do more damage though

[craggy zealot]

I'm pretty sure Xu said it will be a config so people who prefer it to be friendly can keep it that way

[calm widget]

im doing a pretty big rework which will include maybe new animations and new stuff and maybe new model and textures as well

it'll be less friendly but not that much as a compromise if that makes sense

[near portal]

Maybe also the cacti

😭😭😭

[craggy zealot]

So it won't behave like the driftwood/normal forest keeper where it will just chase players and attempt to kill them?

[calm widget]

idk if i wanna make em actively actively chase

[ebon thistle]

actively getting chased by something that big will be really annoying I think idk

but if there's a config to disable it then I'm fine w it

[calm widget]

yeah and it kind of completely goes off route of the guardian thing the redwood is for

it'll be more aggressive, but it won't be an active threat

[ebon thistle]

mhm

[calm widget]

geez i forgot how much config'ing giant specimens had

[ebon thistle]

I mean was the redwood ever a guardian? doesn't it just not eat you cuz it'd be like picking off bread crums off the floor?

[calm widget]

more configs than all my coderebirth shit combined lol

[ebon thistle]

biod has a lot ☠️

[calm widget]

for the most part yeah, it's probably worshipped as a guardian but it never cares about the player

it doesn't eat stuff like old bird

unless provocked by an old bird

i dont really know why but my IDE insists that it doesnt think im currently writing the redwood but im writing the hoverboard

it keeps autocompleting shit for hoverboard rather than redwood

"power level? yeah you must be talking about the hoverboard power level"

[silver hornet]

Been a long time since I was here. How many of the giant variations are out now?

[calm widget]

i was working on #1241786100201160784 and other mods lol, though im working on em rn funnily enough

[silver hornet]

Too many new mods for me to keep track of 😭 This is my karma for leaving the server for like 6 months

[serene sky]

redwood got that gamer posture

[serene sky]

redwood rework

[near portal]

Noice

[restive terrace]

omg

[honest apex]

carcinisation strieks again

[craggy zealot]

Could it be a config? So people can choose if they want to be an active hostile threat or if they want to be a semi-aggressive/passive entity

[fast jacinth]

That ain't the redwood giant, that's the redwood crab. 😭

[tame adder]

Now I want to see a giant crab

[serene sky]

giant crab

[dim hull]

they did add a new corpse to the game where you get snipped in half

[serene sky]

giant fiddler crab

snip

[calm widget]

Can I add the giant crab or is that surfaced territory

[serene sky]

we already got a crab, aint adding another

unless it has good gameplay, but we dont have any ideas for another crab

[calm widget]

Gucci

I have a couple ideas

[tame adder]

hides in ground as little mound

wakes up if stepped on or around

gets angry

regardless giant crab is peak

[calm widget]

Kind of teetering on the cactus giant idea tbh

[tame adder]

i havent seen the cactus giant concept mb

[calm widget]

It's alright lol

[tame adder]

im thinking of this idea of a slow roamer that will stare at you if you get close and raise its claws as a warning and chase and click its pincers if too close and eats honey of circuit bee hives reducing their value slightly or the new vane shroud plants or something, idk i just want to see them eat something

https://tenor.com/view/crab-chips-gif-21344096

[calm widget]

Lol

[serene sky]

who would win? Gilgamesh, devourer of worlds

Maurice

[tame adder]

tough battle

[serene sky]

Spikey boy

[serene sky]

it stares...

[remote aspen]

Red licorice giant

[serene sky]

yeah, were redoing its textures

thats just base color

[remote aspen]

Nice lol

Didn’t know you worked on this mod too

[serene sky]

didnt before, but im helping xu with the rework

[ebon thistle]

so does this mean the textures me and mbd worked on for the white version won't work anymore?

[serene sky]

if its on the original redwood model

yeah

Uv's are different

[ebon thistle]

☹️

that kinda sucks

ig its fine though

[serene sky]

skill issue 😔

[wise coral]

the little nub fingers 😭

[calm widget]

Had an argument with a friend ans was wondering what yall thinking

[restive terrace]

I like enemies that dont focus on players specifically, tho redwood could be a bit more dangerous, i like how it targets other enemies- makes the game feel more immersive

[kindred pivot]

I'd argue redwood is NOT purely decorative since it buffs other giant spawns by simply existing. Although I also think zeus mode could be improved upon

[calm widget]

Zeus mode was kind of a silly thing I added messing ariund

[craggy zealot]

Just feel like it's not as cool, I mean it's nice that it kills other giants, and completely eliminates the threat of forest keepers/driftwoods, but it just kinda makes it really easy on maps like vow or march if a redwood is there to take out the main threats and then not present a threat itself, also kinda lame how something that looks so cool doesn't really harm you unless you willingly put yourself in danger to get stomped on

[calm widget]

I get that yeah, I'm planning on making it more dangerous, but at this instance I get that it might seem like more of a run saver, it's honestly better equipped with other modded enemies

One of the flaws is that it had too much of a range and didn't really allow more spawning of enemies like giants, that'll be added to the new redwood alongside other things in coderebirth

[normal sierra]

not sure why having a "decorative" enemy is bad, as long as it fits nicely with the game.

[dim hull]

I like the players not always being the center of attention, makes the world feel more alive

[normal sierra]

and even then, Redwood Giants aren't decorative imo, they kill two of the most irritating vanilla enemies in the whole game, whilst also boosting the spawn rates of Driftwoods and Forest Giants

[grim mantle]

I’d rather not have the entire (Animal) population of the moon after me

I’d like some entities that give the environment more life and eyecandy

[thin edge]

Im not a fan of that, because it doesent add anything to the gameplay, we already got manticoils and loctusct for decorative monsters.

[grim mantle]

Those are the only two decorative entities

[normal sierra]

eh to me, that's very little variety, and feels like the same ecosystem is used for each moon, in a way.

[grim mantle]

Look on Thunderstore, tell me how many decorative entities you can find there (Aside from CodeRebirth)

[normal sierra]

and I would heavily argue that Vow or March's ecosystem would be significantly different to Assurance or Offense's ecosystem.

[kindred pivot]

A simple idea for making redwoods more dangerous would be to make them chase players from time to time.

Where the forest keepers have the inteligence of a toddler and put everything in their mouths, redwoods would be closer to teenagers that like to step on ants for fun.

[calm widget]

Redwoods are definitely full grown but they do actually slightly aim for the player when u walk past with their feet rn (they won't go out of their way, but their feet is aimed to the player)

[broken geyser]

If it was bad to have creatures not designed to kill players, why would Manticoils be in the game? There's also the fact that Redwoods enable modpack makers to increase the number of giants without making it unfair. Also, despite the fact it's not entirely aggressive, it CAN still kill and as a hazardous set piece it fits perfectly with Gloom.

[plucky dome]

I dont think its a bad idea necessarily, but maybe it’d be cool if he messed with players another way, like maybe tossed around the ship or something

[kindred pivot]

the ship idea sounds way too advanced to implement
Maybe it could play with the cruiser like a toy car?

[craggy zealot]

It's hardly a hazard at all, you only die to the redwood if you willingly get killed, that's like saying "manticoils present a threat because if they fly away near a eyeless dog they can make noise and get you killed"

it just never happens

Something the size of godzilla shouldn't be all peaches and creamville

there should be some threat it presents considering the fact that it elimates all the main outside threats for the most part

[dim roost]

ship positioning is a core element, and leaving with it displaced could result in colliders pushing every survivor out of the ship

[calm widget]

Maybe I suck as a player but redwood kinda killed me a lot lmao

[kindred pivot]

🤔 What if redwood could leave patches of quicksand on every step? They could last maybe 90s

[dim roost]

we all get splated by big red

[craggy zealot]

The only real way I can see the redwood getting you killed without you actually going up to it on purpose is like on a map like titan and its near the stairs

[calm widget]

It's gotten me a couple times when I wasn't looking in assurance and oldred lol

[craggy zealot]

idk to me it just seems insanely easy to avoid and even if it somehow does catch you lacking, the stomps don't really do that much damage so you can quickly move away without dying

[broken geyser]

I said hazardous set piece, you CAN die to it, but it's not like it should be all that common. Also, anyone there's no reason why it should or shouldn't be aggressive; it's not our mob to decide. Some players appreciate the fact it's not bloodthirsty and, tbh, that's enough to justify making something.

[dim roost]

oh they do plenty with a direct hit

[craggy zealot]

That's why I suggested it should be a config, players can choose if they want it to behave how it does normally, or if it can be hostile to both old birds/giants and players as well

[kindred pivot]

Alright I have an extremely out of place idea for redwoods
What if they could leap?
Like straight up jump to a completely different node and when they land they would shake the entire map and maybe throw players around or deal damage to them

[normal sierra]

I think it's fine how it is, would welcome any changes that would make ever so slightly more threatening

[final warren]

in my opinion, I would like it if the redwood was dangerous to players,

[calm widget]

I dont mind adding a default false config to chase the player as a target, but definitely default false just cuz it's a bit far from the normal game design.
The current plan ignoring that confjg I just mentioned is a couple more animations and actions the Redwood does randomly when nearby a player that would harm it

[broken geyser]

Not really the question though, isn't it? "Was it a bad idea to make a creature that isn't focused on killing the player and could be described as decorative" it's not inherintly wrong, right?

[craggy zealot]

Well I suggested it before the poll was made lol

[grim mantle]

Rework ideas for the redwood giant because its mechanic are sub-par atm to say the least, no 21-offense:

• Instead of weirdly growing in its intro animation, it should bask in the sunlight during the day (Because forest keepers preform a process similar to photosynthesis for consumption), and wake up near nightfall. This not only makes more sense, and also would be a rad sight to behold
• The redwood giant can block off paths, either asleep, or stopping when its awake
• The redwood giant ignores forest keepers and old birds; redwood giants eating forest keepers don't really make sense considering they consume sunlight, moreso biting through fucking metal. Old birds, instead of firing missiles at a redwood giant, will torch their feet, and ignore the redwood giant for the rest of the round, and the fire slowly creeps up the redwood. When the redwood dies, its corpse will block off a huge section of the moon from where it's landed
• Using a jetpack, you can perch on top of the giant for safety. If you land on one of its horns however; you will die from being speared

[craggy zealot]

I mean decorative monsters aren't a bad idea don't get me wrong, but the way the redwood behaves and just how it looks

[normal sierra]

besides, it's not like vanilla has monsters that don't actively harm players to begin with (Spore Lizards)

[craggy zealot]

I just feel like there should be some threat

A monster that basically takes out 2 giants and old birds which are 3 arguably S tier threats in the game, and then doesn't present a threat itself is kinda lame

makes the game easier wouldn't you say

[broken geyser]

On its own sure, I can't deny that. But looking at it more as a tool, I couldn't have 10 forest giants on one map without Redwoods

[normal sierra]

I'd just make it rarer, tbh.

[grim mantle]

What do y'all think of this?

[normal sierra]

makes the Redwood feel special

[craggy zealot]

well you can adjust the spawn weight but still, when a redwood spawns, it increases the spawn chances of other giants

[broken geyser]

the mere existence of a redwood makes it easier to build challenging environemnts around it that otherwise aren't possible if it's aggressive.

[grim mantle]

I also feel like the driftwood should have its mechanics changed because it's just a thumper that throws you into the stratosphere

[broken geyser]

It fills a niche, right?

[craggy zealot]

I guess it's just me, but the group I play with, we all feel like it should be somewhat hostile towards players, maybe priortize giants/old birds over players, but once those threats are eliminated, it would then also target players as well.

[normal sierra]

eh, that's not necessarily a bad thing imo

tho it's also an aspect that is VERY Moon dependant

[broken geyser]

I get that, it's all opinions at the end of the day. Some players just want things a certain way, but imo it's, again, not our place to decide what it is and isn't. The person who makes the mod should make it in their vision.

If we so happen to contribute to that vision in unexpected ways, that's that

I mean, we're not the ones putting in the work.

[calm widget]

I'll talk to my animator about the burning one with the old bird, cuz it sounds kind of cool depending on how I want the redwood to be moving forward.

The reason the Redwood could eat oldbirds to begin with is that oldbirds attack giants iirc and when they attacked the Redwood it would get pissed and it would eat em

[craggy zealot]

no but the point is that it makes other giants (forest keepers/driftwood) no longer a threat, which on maps like vow/march is bad for example because those are common giant spawn moons where they are the main outside threat, but the redwood takes that away and doesn't present a threat itself, making it easy if you get what I mean

[grim mantle]

Forest keepers and redwood giants are two different species so I don't think they give a shit about one another

They do their own thing for their own species, not for each other

[broken geyser]

That said >.> how about a compromise?

[grim mantle]

Besides... the redwood giants eat forest keepers anyways

[calm widget]

Yummy keepers

[calm widget]

U mightve misread btw

[broken geyser]

@calm widget I know you've already gone past the RW giant, but what if its killing of giants had collateral effects? Halfeaten giants that are basically thumpers?

[craggy zealot]

also not to mention that driftwoods and forest keepers can't escape the redwood because he slides over to them at lighting speed and hawks them down 💀

[broken geyser]

Slow crawler things

[grim mantle]

Redwood giants eat old birds because they become pissed at the sight of them attacking forest keepers?

[calm widget]

The problem with that is purely just it'd be hell to model and abimate

[calm widget]

Nah, old birds can shoot the redwood

And thats the only condition for a redwood to eat an old bird

Old birds are coded to detect and kill giants, I classified redwood as a giant

[grim mantle]

It should kick it rather than eating it because it's more efficient, and also that forest keepers use their mouth like hands, not for consumption. It'd also be funny as fuck watching a redwood giant catch itself on fire from blowing up an old bird with its foot

[calm widget]

Lol

[broken geyser]

Yeh >.< just spitballing. I kinda wanna keep the giant as a passive hazard, so indirect consequences of its actions seem like the best way to go if anything at all imo.

[normal sierra]

I do get that in a way, but I think that's more or less differing opinions; I think it deleting Giants off the map whilst not being a threat itself is fine. personally speaking I heavily despise vanilla Giants as they do nothing but be a major hassle to the player.

[calm widget]

Alright how about this, I wanna keep most of its behaviour but the rework is something like this.
It still eats forest keepers and driftwood.
When attacked by old birds, it either eats or kicks them but simultaneously catches on fire without noticing.
After 3 hours pass it dies, dropping a very rare scrap and potentially blocking the way.
In terms of player interactions, if it detects a player nearby, there's a random chance it tries to kick them if they're close enough.
And the random chance to jump on top of them and shake the ground and deal damage in a very large radius.

I also wanna rework how I boost spawns of driftwood and forest keepers

I'll add more opportunities for them to spawn rather than increase spawn weight

Making it actually feel more dangerous and a more lively environment

[final warren]

I have an idea why not make it so the redwood will chase players if a player is near it, but once they are at a certain range, it will stop. That way it's not a persistent threat and only dangerous if u go near it, which it so that it's a giant counter, but you still not completely safe from it

[grim mantle]

These mechanics still don't really fit what the forest keepers are. Why would the redwood keeper go out of its way to kick something so tiny anyways? In their og concept art, they're passive entities, and I believe it should be kept that way

[calm widget]

It ain't kicking the forest keepers, it's eating em

[grim mantle]

Players, I mean

[calm widget]

Oh lol

[final warren]

kinda like the circuit bees if u get what I mean

[grim mantle]

Forest keepers are big enough to be an annoyance to a redwood realistically

[broken geyser]

How would "blocking the way" work?

[grim mantle]

Standing on an exterior map hazard node

[craggy zealot]

did you decide if the cactus giant is going to be a giant with a ranged attack or a stealth giant @calm widget

[grim mantle]

E.g. rock/pumpkin blocking the valley to main

[kindred pivot]

this honestly sounds very solid

[calm widget]

I get what you want and it probably warrants a config but I think some tiny obstruction like "low chance for the Redwood to be pissed off while a player is nearby so it tries to kick them in a rage but won't really bother doing anything more than that"

[calm widget]

Bit of both I think

[grim mantle]

Still doesn't rlly make sense

[calm widget]

No idea

[grim mantle]

If it can be disable through a config though, I have no complaints

[craggy zealot]

fire breathing cactus!!!!!!!!!

[calm widget]

Not fire breathing!

[craggy zealot]

wow

[grim mantle]

Rework ideas for the driftwood because their mechanics are also sub-par unfortunately:

• If you stare at it from behind for 5 seconds, it will turn around and begin a staredown. If you stare at it from the front for 3 seconds, it will roar, beat its chest, and charge towards you
• Same thing here with it aggravating normally. It'll just throw you in a random direction and beat the ground for a couple of seconds before calming down
• Runs away from redwood giants and old birds like a pussy

[calm widget]

You're just as mean as Rodriguez u know that

[grim mantle]

I don't call your work ass

[calm widget]

Fair enuff

[kindred pivot]

the easy part would be just making their body solid
the harder part I suppose would be adding checks if the body is blocking an entrance I think?

[grim mantle]

Just because I say something is bad doesn't mean I meant it to degrade you

[calm widget]

Uhh tbh you're not asking for a big change in the driftwood and I can probably go with your suggestion

It already runs away from redwoods and oldbirds

[craggy zealot]

Wdym by "Sub-par" are you talking about how it has trouble spotting players?

[grim mantle]

As in the mechanics could be more unique

[calm widget]

It kind of already does all the above, but it's not so much of a blocker that it could block the entrance

No ones really killed it yet so no ones experienced it tbf

[final warren]

snow-themed giant when

[craggy zealot]

christmas tree giant

how would you even make a snow-themed giant

what's a snow tree

or whatever the fuck

u wanna call it

[calm widget]

Get me a model and animator and it'd be done in a week

[final warren]

yes

[kindred pivot]

I was thinking more about the part where it dies on an entrance and anyone who tries to leave via main would get stuck in its body.

Unless you already thought about this and implemented a way to push the players out.

I was thinking that if you tried to leave via an entrance with a redwood corpse on it you'd get the entrance blocked popup

[calm widget]

It has never been a scenario that I had to worry about but I think thr game itself kinda deals with that for me

[broken geyser]

I'm not opposed to the idea of Redwood blocking the way, but I really don't understand how it'd work in practice. VileVending works due to its size, IE it spawns adjacent to the entrace, but modded moons have an array of issues for supergiant creatures to "block the way" Synthesis has an elevator down, Gloom & Eve-M are caves, Summit is a mountain, and a creature that big blocking narrow paths like Summit or Atlas Abyss would make it borderline unplayable, right? Even if it just checks for nodes, what prevents it from trying to path to an area it absolutely shouldn't be able to access?

[calm widget]

Entrance blocked popup could unfortunately soft lock you

Which, while hilarious and would happen once every a million runs

Would be very unfortunate

[craggy zealot]

I know this is offtopic and random but a xenomorph mod in lethal company would be so fire

[broken geyser]

There's actully a thread in Mod Ideas for that. It's very well put together from what I saw.

A bit complex tho x.x

[grim mantle]

Rework 2: Electric Boogaloo:

• Instead of weirdly growing in its intro animation, it should bask in the sunlight during the day (Because forest keepers preform a process similar to photosynthesis for consumption), and wake up near nightfall. This not only makes more sense, and also would be a rad sight to behold
• The redwood giant can block off paths, either asleep, or stopping when its awake
• The redwood, upon in-game night, will become aggressive towards forest keepers (Because there's no sunlight), and eat them like normal. The redwood will also get agitated from old birds lighting its foot ablaze, so it'll eat them too, but after a couple hours, oil will pour from its mouth, vomit out remains of the old bird, then keel over and die. The old bird remains are very heavy, but also very valuable (Because Jeb likes more non-organic scrap)
• Using a jetpack, you can perch on top of the giant for safety. If you land on one of its horns however; you will die from being speared

[craggy zealot]

damn

[calm widget]

Less blocking and more slowing you down really, the Redwood is realistically not big enough to block u from jumping over it but its damn close

[kindred pivot]

on one part yes
on another that just gives more reason to use the teleporters and fire exits if they exist.

and if you get stuck in a no fire exit scenario the ship would just leave you.

A cruel and unjust death.
Perfect for a 1 in a million run

[calm widget]

I like the last idea lmao.
And I have a decently cool idea for a giant that'd be mostly asleep in the day and more active later in the night, similar to the starlight thumper art you had made before

[grim mantle]

Instead of kicking players (Because realistically, them kicking you will IMMEDIATELY shatter every bone in your body), their feet land closer to your location through inverse kinematics

[grim mantle]

Yeah I took some ideas from my starlight thumper

[calm widget]

Yeah of course, it's not gonna be super targeted and unforgiving

[grim mantle]

Col

[calm widget]

Hmmmmm maybe, I might just add it tbh we'll see how difficult it is to make a door unopenable

And how difficult it is to decide said door is unopenable

[normal sierra]

I actually do wonder tho, was it ever considered to add a sort of "burning state" to Driftwood Giants after being damaged by Old Birds?

[grim mantle]

What is your opinion on this Xu

Kind of makes sense considering forest keepers are related to brackens

[broken geyser]

Another idea ^^^ I had this way back when you suggested ideas for it but never proposed it. What if the giant, being how massive it was, caused interior lights to flicker or steam valves to pop with each step.

I don't think there's been an exterior enemy that affects the interior yet

[grim mantle]

That would be cool actually

[calm widget]

Not entirely, they go crazy and run far away but I didn't wanna invest too deeply into an instant kill burning effect

[grim mantle]

Gives the interior map hazards a higher chance to go off

[broken geyser]

Wesley has some particle work too if you want it to make dust clouds

[grim mantle]

OH YEAH THAT'D ACTUALLY BE SICK

[calm widget]

I can do that for sure yeah

[normal sierra]

eh fair

[grim mantle]

With every step of the redwood giant, dust particles come off of the ceiling of the factory

[calm widget]

I dont know if I can do the dust particles

Wesley knows where the interior is gonna spawn

I wont be able to know that

[broken geyser]

ooooooh, true

[calm widget]

(Moon creators decide this btw)

[grim mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/954807168790589530/1265362194531618939/moggingmimic.gif

[broken geyser]

EW WHY DOES THE MASK MOVE

[calm widget]

There's probably a way to figure that out, it's annnnnnoying

[grim mantle]

lol

[broken geyser]

oh god that makes me so uncomfortable

I'm saving this

[dim hull]

they always have

frowning masks become smiling masks when they latch on to your face

[broken geyser]

not like that >.<

[dim hull]

the masks just can move

[broken geyser]

That'd be a horrifying conversion thing actually, if someone made its possession a grab emote XD

just really awkward

[calm widget]

I liked all of it tbh, the 2 and 3rd points are already just bad driftwood and 1st helps it with detecting the player so not too bad of an idea

[grim mantle]

Swag

Could you also add a config option to remove the teeth and inverted eyes to these giants
Because another thing that pushes me away from this mod is their looks

Forest keepers don't look like that...

They're remnants of the stylistic choice of Flameburnt

[broken geyser]

Would it be possible to tie dust cloud particle generation around the player's coordinates?

[grim mantle]

Here's a better image

[broken geyser]

Clinetsided particle generation basically

[calm widget]

Hmm.... I'll try, no promises on how the mesh actually is made though

Also it'd be nice if someone actually went around the thread and pooled the ideas I agreed with cuz I need to tell them to rodrigo before he finishes animating for feedback and actual implementation lol

I'd do it myself but I'm about to go die and sleep and I'll def forget by thr time I've woken up

[grim mantle]

I entered the conversation late so I have no idea what's what

[calm widget]

Rip

[broken geyser]

Last idea for me ^ It could do what the driftwood does, like a mapwide roar that shakes the screen/slows players when it spots another giant.

At the wrong time it could be fatal

[grim mantle]

Wouldn't it be simple as deleting the vertices of the teeth, then grid filling the holes of where they once were?

[calm widget]

I dont think i can selectively deletes vertices of a mesh in Unity

[grim mantle]

Oh, I was under the assumption it was done in Blender

[calm widget]

When I made the Redwood, the teeth were a separate mesh, if Rodriguez kept it that way, then it's an easy change

[calm widget]

It was it was

It's just if I wanna hot swap

I'd need the teeth and the body to be two meshes

Rather than two big models one with teeth and one without

For size sake

[grim mantle]

I'm not familiar with Unity's modeling so I'm not going to comment further lol

I've only ever done Blender

[calm widget]

Dum dum I did blender modelling

It's just I don't wanna have two meshes of the Redwood in the files

I would prefer one mesh of the body of the Redwood, and one mesh of the teeth

[grim mantle]

Oh, you're wanting to do something similar to bodygroups

[calm widget]

Yeah

That way I can quick swap

[grim mantle]

What about the eyes though

[calm widget]

Because I can't cut etc in runtime

[calm widget]

I just gotta remove the whites right?

[grim mantle]

Lemme paint over a screenshot of the redwood rq

[calm widget]

Alright

[grim mantle]

Something like this

[limpid whale]

@calm widget Did some testing after stream and disabling crits for the epic axe fixed the chainsaw going brr, so here's hoping you push the CodeRebirth update soon ^^ I've opted to disable the Axe until then

[grim mantle]

LethalThings + CodeRebirth = Rocket jumping in LC

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-tf2-soldier-jumpscare-tf2-soldier-jumpscare-gif-25554720

[broken geyser]

Those eyes... he's seen things we mortals cannot comprehend

[grim mantle]

Old birds I'd have to imagine

Or whatever new abomination Zeekerss is cooking up for v60

[limpid whale]

Lethal Things is too broken right now for me to include in my pack

[kindred pivot]

... what broke again

[grim mantle]

It was a joke, but on other note, I believe it's abandoned

[limpid whale]

It's been a bit broken since the latest update

People have reported a lot of issues in the thread

So I refuse to readd it

[grim mantle]

RIP Lethal Things, you were fun while you lasted

[calm widget]

Alright how about this, I wanna keep most of its behaviour but the rework is something like this.
It still eats forest keepers and driftwood.
When attacked by old birds, it either eats or kicks them but simultaneously catches on fire without noticing.
After 3 hours pass it dies, dropping a very rare scrap and potentially blocking the way.
In terms of player interactions, if it detects a player nearby, there's a random chance it tries to kick them if they're close enough.
And the random chance to jump on top of them and shake the ground and deal damage in a very large radius.
I also wanna rework how I boost spawns of driftwood and forest keepers.
I'll add more opportunities for them to spswn rather than increasing spawn weight.
It's spawn animation might end with it laying in a position that blocks a lot of the ground.
It's rideable but the spikes are deadly.
Much better spawn animations, something like a daytime enemy but not sure what the animation could be yet.
Footsteps cause interior lights to flicker occasionally and particles to spawn on top of the players that are inside to simulate shaking effect.

Just had to gather the ideas

I dont believe LT is broken rn really, haven't seen any real issues in a while, maybe something about the cat music keeping on playing but thats probably a mod conflict

[limpid whale]

People also reported issues with grabbing the hammer and utility belt

[calm widget]

Ages ago maybe, I haven't heard people mention issues with hammer in a long time and the utility belt should work as well since u haven't seen anyone report issues about it

[grim mantle]

• The rare scrap should be the remains of the old bird, or an oil-covered organ (Probably the stomach) of the redwood
• The jump should be a hop, because no way in hell something with feet that big is going to jump more than 20ft
• It should simply spawn asleep during the day, wake up around in in-game afternoon, and start harassing forest keepers in in-game night (Or eclipse) because that's when it can no longer preform photosynthesis
• Should occasionally halt to block off paths for a short duration, like a mobile pumpkin/rock

[limpid whale]

Saw them being a reported a couple times around the time the bug with Maxwell was reported, I'm guessing people just disabled those features in the end

[calm widget]

I didnt see any of those bugs being reported

Nor is this the thread for em

[limpid whale]

True

[grim mantle]

Looks like Niko from OneShot

Without his clothes

[calm widget]

I'm not sure where u see the resemblance, but I do like niko

[limpid whale]

I may try readding it at some point

[craggy zealot]

Is there still going to be a config to make it so the redwood is more hostile towards players (default would be set to false obviously) or is that kinda out of the picture now

[grim mantle]

Brown fur and yellow eyes, but the colors here are much more dull

[kindred pivot]

I use LT almost religiously and the only bug I've seen is that LT scraps don't appear on scan command from Terminal Formatter

[broken geyser]

I don't really see the whole kicking players thing still, maybe if it tried to stomp down REALLY hard it'd fit more in character.

[grim mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/big-shoe-lmfao-big-shoe-lmfao-gif-21655557

[broken geyser]

Like the inverse of a worm

[grim mantle]

Wait

That's a good idea

Earth leviathans should target redwood

[kindred pivot]

with a build up and adrenaline effect and everything

[calm widget]

Jump height is up to the duck man, rare scrap is gonna be the heart until I get my hands on a better model, spawning asleep probably yeah I agree.
Last point idk how I'd do it more than it currently does

[grim mantle]

But the earth leviathan only has a slight chance of getting the redwood into its gullet

Sometimes it can miss

[calm widget]

I'll do it but it won't be super supported if the animations are a bit wonky

[grim mantle]

I have faith that Rodrigo can cook

[calm widget]

I dont know how a worm compares in size to a redwood

[kindred pivot]

and when it does the redwood grabs it mid flight and rips it in half

[calm widget]

Until I see that comparison I have no comments on whay it can or can't do

[broken geyser]

It kinda just walks around atm, but I'm talking like a REAL stomp that could ragdoll players even if they escape the crush radius

[grim mantle]

Fuck no, not with those tiny arms against something that thick LMFAO

[broken geyser]

The only real examples I could point to, cause I know jack all, is Warframe Rhino Stomp or the Fusion Moas

[kindred pivot]

yeah but it would be very funny if it could

[grim mantle]

Just because two things are giant doesn't mean they can just ignore the laws of reality (Unless they're anomalous, which these two entities clearly aren't)

[calm widget]

Its feet are kinda flat just for crushing, but maybe the walk animations could be made to have more focus on crushing head on

Also I cant split models in half

Get that idea out yer head

[broken geyser]

??? I didn't mention it again >.< lol

[grim mantle]

Also the fact you're going to have to code that to happen in real time

[calm widget]

Not u silly

The ones above

Lol

[broken geyser]

o

[calm widget]

Funnily enough it wouldn't even be me but Rodriguez who'd suffer

[grim mantle]

Solid?

[calm widget]

All I'd do is "animation.play"

[grim mantle]

Earth leviathans are slightly longer

[calm widget]

What about the width?

[craggy zealot]

🙏 appreciate it

[grim mantle]

1.5x the width of a redwood I'd guess

[calm widget]

Hmm

I can make it automatically deal like half health if you manage to get the earth leviathan to hit it maybe

I'd have to see how the earth leviathan kills enemies to begin with but I think its doable

[grim mantle]

I don't know how we'd balance the earth leviathan targeting the redwood giant anyway because they'd kill them every time

Well, not we

Idk why I said we lol

But still

[calm widget]

It's team effort

Mostly me and rodrigo

But a team effort....

[broken geyser]

I don't get this, are flat feet a problem? I think it'd just need to raise it's leg up higher and slam it down, right?

or is it a modeling issue?

[calm widget]

Nah I was just confused what u meant

Problem with swapping kicking to a hard stomp is

The Redwood ain't a ballerina

It ain't got those long thighs

[broken geyser]

L O N G

[grim mantle]

The starlight thumper on the other hand...

They don't call them thumpers for nothing

[ebon thistle]

whoever said this can catch these hands wth

[grim mantle]

TRUE

[broken geyser]

I think it's got enough leg room tbh, but your call. It'd be pretty cool if you could get it to work, and stomping could be layered on the facility lights flickering too, like a more intense version that flips the breaker box. Kicking doesn't really leverage the Redwood Giant's massive size mechanically.

[ebon thistle]

I think redwood in its current state is fine, it's an obstacle enough on most moons esp when you take into account jetpacks and cruiser routes

maybe a cool interaction would be hitting jetpack players out of the sky if they get too close?

[broken geyser]

^ same, but some people seem to want it to do more.

[ebon thistle]

if kicking is an idea going around I think that could be... a lil goofy looking cuz of how big the redwoods are

[ebon thistle]

meh, I really don't think it needs more personally

I'm down for a config that allows it to target players, cuz I think some people wanted that

[broken geyser]

I feel the same, although there was that post months ago prior to the Driftwood's inclusion. Xu asked for more ideas for RWG mechanics and basically nothing came in... I think? Maybe the whistle was one of em? I feel there's also untapped potential just because it's the only creature as big as it is, but while that could mean its aggression could increase, it's kinda cemented itself as a passive entity alot of people have become attached to. For me personally any additions feel like they should preserve its indirect/passive presence, that's why I proposed the light flickering thingy.

[latent sky]

I've killed it a few times but sellbodies just kinda makes the corpse disappear which is unfortunate lol

[serene sky]

Ok so for the redwood rework, i did want it to have 2 new attacks that only happen if a player is in front of it (kick) or if a player gets too close (Jump slam) to add more to the obstacle factor of it, it wouldnt target players but would react if they get in the way

as to the lore behind them targeting players, id say its because the bright jumpsuits of the employees reminds it of fire, which it does not like and its sort of an "elephants being scared of mice" scenario

i think also it sleeping could be a cool feature, but how it would activate is not something i know right now

also it being set on fire, taking a very long time to burn and becoming actually enraged and aggressive could be cool

also idea for the new moves comes from the furnace golems from the elden ring dlc

now knowing where the giant is in a bigger radius and knowing where its facing is key to avoiding to it

i think its a more interesting and scary obstacle

i want it to remain and obstacle, i just want it to be a bigger one

[ebon thistle]

I think the kick's a pretty good idea

jump slam is just the same as it walking and creating a shockwave, I don't see much of a point

[serene sky]

covers a larger area if you get too close, forcing you to get away more

idk rule of cool

i mean rn anim gives you 6 seconds from start to the hit landing to get out of its range

its more about the spectacle with that attack than really necessity

[ebon thistle]

meh

[serene sky]

bro hates cool things 😔

and fun

[dim hull]

I could see there being a low chance of the giant being like

"ew gross" and intentionally trying to stomp you with an extra big step

But I don't think that thing can jump

[broken ingot]

Maybe if its in front of it, it like does like 3 stomps (knee bent kinda thing), like when you try to stomp out embers, and the jump if the person is too close since it gets spooked by the ember looking clothes.

[serene sky]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[serene sky]

to be honest, after thinking about its not too far fetched, the earth leviathan basically leaps in the air and its massive

[dim hull]

That, is a worm

[serene sky]

that makes less sense...

can worms leap out the ground?

the amount of force, realistically the worm would have to put is insane

it would need to burrow insanely quick

[dim hull]

I think it does

[serene sky]

well its not realistic, so is the redwood

according to all known laws of aviation

there is no way a redwood should be able to jump

its legs are too weak to get its fat body off the ground

but the redwood, of course, jumps anyways...

Because redwood doesn't care what humans think is impossible.

[calm widget]

U tell em girl

Slayyy

[fast jacinth]

I second this, i think redwood giant is fine in my opinion, the only thing i would change is instead of it eating old birds, it would actually fight them if they started attacking it.

[dim roost]

Redwood just wants more Iron in its diet

[thin edge]

yo hear me out, redwood rumbling

colossal titan, destruction

and make it spawn meteors too cause why not

[tame adder]

I just want redwood footsteps to be more lethal, so you don't have to be right next to one to take damage

[dim roost]

trust me. in its current state, Redwood is more than lethal enough. it appears slow, but it can cover distance at a more than reasonable rate. not to mention it can become quite the inconvenience when traversing a narrow enough path

[narrow sequoia]

New Brutal Company modifier maybe lmao

[wise coral]

p sure the earth leviathan just deletes whatever it contacts aside from items

[mortal moss]

it doesn't just delete things, some modded enemies it just kills normally or doesn't affect

[wise coral]

well those modded enemies are hackers actually

i thought it deleted killable entities only but it can delete old birds, i think its just outdoor enemies

because coilheads dont disappear

nor do any other one iirc

[limpid whale]

@calm widget Looks like TheGiantSpecimens throws errors with LLL's newer builds

[calm widget]

LLL bug, not me

[ebon pumice]

i'm not entirely sure what to make of this

[calm widget]

can u send the entire log?

or is that included

[ebon pumice]

might it be EverythingCanDie?

[ebon pumice]

yer

[calm widget]

not too sure what went wrong here tbh

it looks like the agent became null i think

[ebon pumice]

is that a fluke?

[calm widget]

i think so

[calm widget]

Lol forgot about the poll

[silver wedge]

Nice.

[craggy zealot]

Does the stomp from redwood one tap now I genuinely died to it for once lmfao

Was being pulled by a kidnapper fox on titan and then the redwood just stepped on me once and I was done for

[calm widget]

a straight stomp is insta yeah

[zenith knoll]

Dude

You think you had it fucking bad

Last night I was on Aquatis dealing with a Kidnapper Fox, SCP-3199 and a Driftwood Giant in the middle of

A METEOR SHOWER

AND THE DRIFTWOOD WAS CAMPING ENTRANCE

SO WAS KIDNAPPER

THEN SCP-3199'S DUMBASS CHASING ME

LIKE GRAAAAHHEHDIDOCKEPF

[opaque vigil]

Me when my lethal company turns into hell

[zenith knoll]

Only in Singleplayer for me

[elder coral]

I played the specimens with the enemy size randomizer

Them driftwoods can get bigger than the redwoods

[calm widget]

[narrow sequoia]

Take a picture of supersized Redwood :)

[craggy zealot]

@calm widget What exactly is the driftwoods vision supposed to be? is it equivelant to a normal forest keeper, or would you say its less than that. For me, it only spots me if Im about 15 feet away or less from it.

[elder coral]

They aren't that much bigger but oh my does their footsteps sound even more intimidating

Also I have a clip of a baby Driftwood

[calm widget]

It's not that blind

[craggy zealot]

Yeah I ended up just reinstalling the mod and it seemed to somewhat fix the problem, he can actually see me from decently far ranges now. But it’s just not that consistent all the time.

[calm widget]

weird

usually the cause is hte lethalphones mod

[craggy zealot]

Yeah well, I tested it earlier with some installed like imperium (which I wasn't using before and just installed to spawn in the driftwood) and the giant specimens mod obviously. On your first save file, the driftwood giant is just not capable of detecting you, unless you purposely go inside of it. Once that happened, he was able to detect me, but it was at medium ranges, maybe 20-30 feet. Sometimes he'd detect me from far away but it was very rare, other times he couldn't see me at all when I was like 10 feet to his side, it seems like you have to be directly in his line of sight/path for him to agro onto you. I had the same problem with the JPOGRex which I also tested, but that was even more inconsistent.

[limpid whale]

Probably an issue with Imperium

Cus the Driftwood is usually annoying and can see you from across the map lol

[craggy zealot]

well I had this issue even when I wasn't using imperium

I just used imperium to spawn them in

I tested giant specimens with only imperium installed

usually I have a bunch of mods installed and I still have the same problem

but it was even worse then

[limpid whale]

I mean tbf

You could wait cus

She's gonna be merging the mod into CodeRebirth soon with a big rewrite

[craggy zealot]

yea I heard

but that's not for a while

[limpid whale]

Yeah the current version of the mod is pretty buggy

[craggy zealot]

well redwood for me works perfectly fine

[limpid whale]

I mean

[craggy zealot]

its just driftwood has horrible vision for some reason

[limpid whale]

The Redwood likes to slide all over the place

XD

[craggy zealot]

I was on experimentation out in the open

and he struggled to agro onto me

[craggy zealot]

yea besides that

but in terms of behavior

he works fine

[limpid whale]

Yeah

[craggy zealot]

idk cause like I tested JPOGRex which was another creature I had trouble getting to agro onto me before

and that monster had even a harder time being able to spot me

meanwhile other people have said that the rex has like forest keeper vision and is annoying to deal with lmfao

so idk whats up with my game

[ebon pumice]

I have never had it be so easy

The driftwood is much more aware than forest giant ime

But I also have FairGiants enabled to prevent ship camping

[craggy zealot]

Damn

Yea for me he just is blind as a bat

[craggy zealot]

I ended up fixing the problem now those mf’s spot me from across the map lmfao

[calm widget]

What was it?

[craggy zealot]

Diversity

I removed it and then they were able to spot me

Idk how they correlate

[copper lava]

Weird conflict yeah

[craggy zealot]

Diversity has been fucking my game up in general in general with all the errors

I also re-installed the game today but I don’t think that did anything

Pretty sure it was diversity

That was causing the issue

actually nah it wasn’t diversity I just re-installed it and the driftwoods can still spot me

idk wtf it was then

I guess re-installing my game somehow fixed it

[exotic elbow]

driftwood are ignoring me for a while now, i feel sad suddenly

[calm widget]

U got lethal phones installed?

[exotic elbow]

ya

[calm widget]

Yeah that mod breaks line of sight stuff

[exotic elbow]

there is a conflict with that mod ?

[calm widget]

Yes

[exotic elbow]

damn

phones nowadays

[rancid yarrow]

Does Lethal Phones break anything else?

[calm widget]

Not sure

[rancid yarrow]

It's one of my fav mods

[exotic elbow]

your mental health

irl

[rancid yarrow]

And I'd prefer not to remove it if its just this known

[rancid yarrow]

😦

[exotic elbow]

if i was a boomer , i would say that :kappa:

[full ruin]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh scp049

[calm widget]

#1241786100201160784 message

[serene sky]

Dried tomato

[exotic elbow]

the giant mutated tomato

does he spit tomato sauce to attack you ?

[serene sky]

he now has 2 giant cannons for eyes

i messed up the mouth...

[rocky sparrow]

AWOOGA AWOOGA

[blissful wolf]

why does he look so cute

[crimson grotto]

Currently modifying spawn rates of entities with LethalQuanties, what are "Snare Fleas" (DriftWood Giant Obj) and "DriftWood Giant" (PinkGiantObj) meant to be?

[calm widget]

LQ names can be messed up sometimes

you should only care about the names on the right

which are the internal names

of driftwood and redwood

[crimson grotto]

Alright, thanks!

[serene sky]

cat wood

[dim hull]

nya

[calm widget]

ichi ni san nya

arigato

[calm widget]

baby wood

[serene sky]

if we get enough support ill peer pressure xu into adding nyawood as a scrap

[calm widget]

run a poll if u want, 70% yes and ill add it

[limpid whale]

Nya Nya~ ^^

[blissful wolf]

make it act like a redwood giant, but it makes squidward stepping sounds

[serene sky]

STOP THE COUNT!

[serene sky]

not horrifying at all...

[blissful wolf]

eww

[opaque vigil]

Nooo it was at 71 earlier😭

[dim roost]

oh hey, the movie Teeth

[dim hull]

Stop that right this instant

[calm widget]

Unlucky rodrigo

Not 70%

[serene sky]

https://tenor.com/view/yuckers-yummers-homelander-its-yummers-gif-10513465113292340707

it was rigged

[calm widget]

Lol

[pliant vault]

I was the vote that ended it all

[opaque vigil]

-1 scrap

[serene sky]

its so sad... instead of being a super rare scrap it will just have to be a secret config

😔

to those who voted against it, you have only angered it, it will come for you

nowhere is safe

[pliant vault]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo-combat-evolved-halo-anniversary-tumblr-master-chief-gif-20743179

[icy sun]

@calm widget any easily reproducible ingame screenshots?

[calm widget]

wdym reproducible?

[icy sun]

so that i could test the fix on it

just something that is like

right as the planet lands

same time of day and etc.

vanilla moon

[calm widget]

oh i could take a pic rn, the enemies are huge and i could spawn em instantly

[icy sun]

ill go on experimentation

[calm widget]

@icy sun

[icy sun]

not sure if i can get it in the exact same way you did

also oops scanner overlay

the thing is i cant get the fog to look like yours did

maybe its cause of freecam

this one isnt freecam

actually

can you get a screenshot of readwood's heart

there is a scrap

[calm widget]

this looks like a huge change holy

yeah gimme a sec

[ebon thistle]

the redder wood giant

[icy sun]

preferrably like this

i spawned it here with the debug menu that vanilla LC has

[calm widget]

tried to get it one to one with ur screenshot

change might not be very noticeable with the scrap, though keep in mind this scrap specifically is super low poly

try the other scrap

[ebon thistle]

wait is this about what we're talking about in the LLL thread

[icy sun]

yeah

[ebon thistle]

no comment

[icy sun]

wait

were you standing farther away

i notice yours had more fog

[calm widget]

uhh i closed the game but i was about the same distance

i was just looking more down

[silver wedge]

Nom nom.

[calm widget]

yeah there is some lightness difference, some stuff looks slightly different, glass in general seems to be a bit more transparent

hi nomnom 2.0

[silver wedge]

No u.

[calm widget]

nom'ing do be nom

[icy sun]

while we're here

xu do you know why i have trouble really going with one way or the other

if we did this now it would only be a problem once right? i feel like thats worth consideration

[calm widget]

that's the thing

[icy sun]

but i do also very much respect that it'd force people to readjust their materials

[calm widget]

it wont be a problem thats only happening once

this will keep reiterating

[icy sun]

in what sense? im curious what you mean

[calm widget]

the reality is, most people use example enemy, and yes, it is a flaw in example enemy that the shaders dont align with vanilla, it is one that i plan to correct when v60 drops and i update the scripts

but also, this is so far into the modding scene that this will become a breaking change to all pre existing content

and u cant just "correct" it

[calm widget]

just look at this, it washed over all my texture work (not saying mine btw my as in my enemy's)

im not gonna ask someone to redesign my enemy just so that it goes back to the way i liked it

[icy sun]

the thing is though it might be something actually simple

well, it depends

if i came around and told you "yeah just load it into paint.net and change the lightness and saturation by bla bla bla and it looks exactly 100% right" would you feel like it doesnt matter as much anymore?

im not sure because its still a problem for unmaintained mods, but like i said earlier, the game updating itself can kill those

[calm widget]

i'd maybe feel 30% safer about it if that makes sense

cuz im still a modder

i can adapt

most can not

[icy sun]

yeah for sure

[calm widget]

but also that's a pretty unrealistic expectation of a fix as simple as just changing colours etc

a lot goes into shaders im just not sure if you'll be able to figure something out with a simple fix as that

[icy sun]

the thing i seard earlier though about it being only a problem once

i moreso meant that like if it happened, all the old mods would need to be fixed and then thats it

people developing new mods wouuldnt have to deal with it anymore

[calm widget]

here is the reality of the situation

u have two main api's LL and LLL

you have two maintainers that can maintain each mod

hamunii and batby

but u dont wanna create an opt-in

that, to me, is insane

[icy sun]

well i do wanna create an opt in

[calm widget]

all your problems genuinely solved when you give devs a boolean

[icy sun]

but i can see the benifits of not doing so

[calm widget]

i can guarantee no one will fight you when there is an opt-in

if theres performance issues, then u can take it up with the mod dev themselves

[icy sun]

i mean yeah obviously it just makes sense

[calm widget]

LLL gave them the option and they are aware of it and can change

[icy sun]

its like.. so you know how sometimes like a programming language or API has a flaw, like uhhh

unity and mecanim and animators

its like something like that

[calm widget]

yeah but the problem here is while there is technically a flaw

the end result of that flaw is a visual and artistic change

and when i say end result

it is the direct result

there is no other result other than the discussion of the performance of having multiple hdrp/lit shaders

[icy sun]

oh yeah btw is there a way i can see which settings nomnom's patcher fixes

[calm widget]

yeah ill have to check the step bystep my friend sent, it's just hte global hdrp settings i think

this is the hdrp global settings he uses

then find the first defaultsettingsvolumeprofile

[icy sun]

and then this would be compared to uhhh

what settings unity has when you create an empty HDRP project yeah

do you happen to have any of those files so i dont have to make a new project

[calm widget]

yeah lemme send em to you

dms

[icy sun]

it might be in the actual project settings is what im worried about

[calm widget]

ye they are

[icy sun]

because there is also multiple like, presets right

[calm widget]

i think only the volume profile and hdrp global settings were changed

[dusky orbit]

what Zeus Mode do?

[ebon thistle]

adds lightning effects to the redwood

[opaque vigil]

They should add a big red spiked horror called the redwood giant to this mod

Would be pretty peak

[calm widget]

Agreed

[serene sky]

when will you make the Small Specimens?

[restive terrace]

[calm widget]

look down

[serene sky]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-dumb-cat-stupid-cat-stupid-car-dumb-car-gif-3440626992816180205

[restive terrace]

[serene sky]

I got owned...

[serene sky]

Touché

[restive terrace]

Poor Rodrigo

[serene sky]

i guess no more redwood rework...

it will only be nyawood

so sad

[calm widget]

noooooo

why's got a mole

[serene sky]

lol its textures got borked

[restive terrace]

It looks cute with a mole

[icy sun]

i mean trees have little holes in em sometimes