Wesley's Moons/Interiors/Weathers/Variants/General/Mrov

[gaunt rain]

also ||Gloom|| at very small chance and ||Acidir|| perhaps

[autumn bloom]

true
but i corrected my message, the problem is not the apparatus for me it's the hallway that lead to the apparatus and the locking door

[dusk lodge]

fair

[tight plank]

Ah yes

My favorite part of ||Hyx||

||Thalasso||

[bitter crest]

i think some interiors lack mechanics like security doors

[tame meteor]

I miss those doors.

[bitter crest]

not only that, but i feel like some interiors should have some unique stuff about them.....

[velvet drum]

in vanilla only facility has security doors, i don't think it's a requirement lol

[bitter crest]

if we got crazy shit like wesley's moons having ||events||, interiors should also have such thing

[bitter crest]

i know that lol

[velvet drum]

they do tho

[bitter crest]

castellum carnis for example

oh and tartarus aswell

these two are the most unique interiors ive seen

didnt include wesley's because everyone knows they are amazing

[velvet drum]

what are we talking about then?

[bitter crest]

i dont know anymore lol

im tired

[velvet drum]

lmao fair

[bitter crest]

ill revisit my opinion later or whatever

[velvet drum]

you just said interiors lack mechanics so i figured you were talking about wesleys since it's his thread lol

[bitter crest]

ofc wesley's dont lack them

look at ||rubber rooms||

||sliding walls, rubber room sections, scary door, apparatus room, "fake" fire exits||

[velvet drum]

yeah lol

[round dome]

||rubber rooms has rubber room sections? i never would've guessed||

[rigid rover]

||guys rubber rooms has rubber rooms||

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-gif-5750196720983083288

[stray locust]

@granite lily i just tried the new interiors update and a shadowman appeared still with no spooky mode on 😭

[granite lily]

I
Swear
To
God

Will do a patch later

[near coyote]

seek from doors be like

[autumn bloom]

wesley 😭

[stray locust]

goona release my mod that turbo purges the jumpscares at this rate 😤

[polar pendant]

For ultimate spookage, spooky mode off should allow this to spawn. It’ll be even more scary then.

[stray locust]

Um. No!

[tight plank]

🍔

[stray locust]

[granite lily]

I'm gonna make sure none of them work next patch

[tropic gorge]

where do you disable progression in the main wesley's moons pack?

[waxen lion]

Here

[tropic gorge]

ah

alr cool thank you

[tight plank]

Is there a chart of each storyline's moons?

E.g. the moons that're related to ||Cunningham||, in order

Wanna make sure I read the logs in order

[rotund spire]

a person made a reddit post day 1 or so of all the connections they found that has almost every connection and route a few off but nothing crazy that you can look at if you wnat a semi accurate progression map

[tight plank]

I already have every moon unlocked now aside from the, "strange", one

I just need a pointer

Is this part of ||Lecaro|| just a troll?? What the fuck

[lapis cargo]

I did tell you to kill Gaycob and ask beanie to eat JDoorScript...

[granite lily]

I didn't want people to use the rails as primary way of getting to main

[tight plank]

TulipDread

There isn't any other good way to get to it to begin with

[queen shard]

||Maps: Infernis > Atlantica > Lecaro > Thalasso > Utril > Cubatres

Cunningham: Infernis > Acidir > Polarus > Cosmocos

Across The Stars (Radios): Motra > Oldred/FissionC > Trite > Filitrios > Demetrica

Geoffrey: Asteroid 13 > Junic/Gratar > Etern > Polarus > Calist||

||I hope it’s not to early for me to message that.||

[tight plank]

Thank u :3

[queen shard]

Np

[granite lily]

There's plenty

[tight plank]

How did we completely miss ||Lecaro|| and ||Thalasso|| while jumping straight to ||Utril||

[queen shard]

||Also indoor scrap logs
Demetrica > Secret Files (Alcatras)
Asteroid 13 > Recovered Secret Log (Cosmocos)
Utril > Harrington Crash Report (Desolation)

Meteor Event on Polarus:
A meteor will crash in a specific fire exit area on Polarus at 5:00 during an eclipse||

[queen shard]

||Utril videotape is very common on Cosmocos. Technically is could be the third moon you discover||

[tight plank]

Zamn

[queen shard]

||Asteroid 13 > Recovered Secret Log (Cosmocos) > Utril Videotape||

[rotund spire]

with scrap and mainline and divergent routes theirs a lot of wonky paths someone could go through

[queen shard]

I know

||Videotapes break up the journeys other than the first three, last two, Gloom, and Hyve.||

[round dome]

||asteroid-13 leads directly to cosmocos?????? what was wesley thinking???||

[bitter crest]

now that im thinking of it

[lapis cargo]

Wesley thinks? That's not my mod developer

[bitter crest]

whats the shortest path you can do to get to ||hyx?||

[queen shard]

||Since the Geoffrey stuff is all about bioweapons, the were experimenting with Cosmocos mind control stuff||

[bitter crest]

https://tenor.com/view/ave-maria-boling-bros-bolingbros-curbstomp-chikawaga-gif-16650089841190860123

SHUT UP

[queen shard]

Give me a moment

||Infernis > Acidir > Polarus > Cosmocos/Calist (both spawn on Polarus)

Infernis > Oldred (tape) > Trite > Filitrios > Demetrica||

||You still need the Apparatuses||

[bitter crest]

theres the videotapes

[queen shard]

These are the shortest paths I could find

||I find it funny that two end journey moons can be found on Polarus||

[bitter crest]

for real lmfao

[round dome]

||i think asteroid>junic>etern>polarus route might be faster because asteroid and junic are free? so you can theoretically have etern in the moon list by the end of quota 1. for infernis>acidir>polarus you'd need to spend 1 quota to afford infernis then another to afford acidir||

[queen shard]

||True, I never had that in mind||

[bitter crest]

pretty sure you can find ||filitrios|| in one of these moons

[queen shard]

||I just meant the least moons||

[queen shard]

I forgor which 💀

[bitter crest]

||adamance, gloom, fission, motra and utril||

glad i had them written lol

[queen shard]

Ah, ok

[bitter crest]

||you cant get filitrios in etern||

||can you??||

[queen shard]

My bad

[bitter crest]

actually

VIDEO TAPES:
||vow - junic
adamance - filitrios
assurance - gratar
titan - oldred
alcatras - acidir, gloom, atlantica, gratar, junic
asteroid 13 - hyve
atlantica - gratar
calist - etern
cosmocos - utril
desolation - utril
etern - oldred
gloom - acidir, filitrios, junic, utril
thalasso - atlantica, gratar
gratar - atlantica, utril
fission - etern, filitrios, oldred
filitrios - motra
infernis - oldred
junic - acidir, gloom
lecaro - oldred
oldred - etern
motra - filitrios
polarus - etern, motra, oldred
acidir - gloom, junic
trite - etern, oldred
hyx - empra
utril - filitrios||

the first moon is where you find it, and the second is the moon you get

[queen shard]

||Adamance/Motra > Filitrios > Demetrica||

[vivid vigil]

||what does the meteor on Polarus do? Is this how you get gloom? It’s the last one I don’t have idk where to look||

[queen shard]

||Polarus Meteor > Desolation||

[bitter crest]

oh thats new

like how ||in alcatras, if its raining there will be mortars collecting water, like in motra's videotape||

[queen shard]

||Meteor crashes at 5:00 during an eclipse at a flat area two fire exits open up to, behind the ship. You have to be there though but not for too long as the crash will kill you||

[tight plank]

Btw are the unlocked moons tied to your general save file now

[round dome]

||i was the one who suggested that||

[tight plank]

or will deleting the original save file wipe your progress across all other save files

[bitter crest]

ig its the latter

[round dome]

they've always been per save file

[tight plank]

no

[bitter crest]

its tied to your save file

[tight plank]

The moons I've discovered so far are unlocked for me on another fresh save file

[bitter crest]

if you get fired, the moons are kept

oh

[round dome]

i haven't had that happen

[queen shard]

Yeah that’s happened to me before. I don’t what causes it though

Deleted the save and they were still unlocked

[tight plank]

I'm glad it's happening tho

Personally

[quiet lantern]

They will stay unlocked until you restart the game it seems

In a fresh save

[queen shard]

I think so

[tight plank]

There should just be a config option to wipe your progress if you wanna do that

[queen shard]

||I think the reason why Geofrrey’s Log 1 can’t be found anywhere and why Cunningham’s second log doesn’t do anything is because the former might’ve been replaced by Calist’s logs while the latter is simply about the moon it’s on||

[rough wraith]

i sent this to a friend and things happened

[bitter crest]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1310686160343007343/1340537890039398431/Peace_1.mp4?ex=67c09072&is=67bf3ef2&hm=196503a4029cf26f846957e825d4840a168e489680dc65a6e6dfbb003847169b&||

that reminded me of this edit i made..

[tropic gorge]

i'm actually not seeing it here

only option i see is the .JLL.cfg one to purge and murder wesley

[waxen lion]

Did you go into a save? Maybe the config generates when going into a save

[tropic gorge]

yeah i'm in one rn

competely new one

wait a seccc

imma try smth

[bitter crest]

try loading the game?

[tropic gorge]

and if it works then i might be stupid

[bitter crest]

cause it didnt show up to me until i booted the modpack

[strange saffron]

[tropic gorge]

yup!

im dumb

didn't update JLL

[lapis cargo]

You'd have to be a liar to like lecaro more

[young sail]

LMAO THANK YOU
My friends will need it too.

[dawn sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-twitching-tweaking-blink-blinking-gif-15542945703716446313

[jovial fable]

Is this list exhaustive? I’m thinking of making an official diagram

[indigo gulch]

you can if you download the moon galetry

unless you mean hide the vanilla moons bc if you wanted to hide those you can use LLL's config

[balmy jewel]

Are the action figures found as scrap (inside) or like log items outside?

[grave garnet]

||gift shop||

[balmy jewel]

Thanks

[dawn sluice]

||iirc you can only get them from the gift shop on galetry. Nowhere else||

It doesn’t

[tight plank]

||Hyve, Calist, Motra, Filitrios, Alcatras, Polarus, Oldred, Etern, Trite, Cubatres, Hyx, and especially Empra|| for me

[near coyote]

can i just ask

||why in the everloving fuck is glooms videotape so damn rare in the journeys update||

i checked the exact chances of finding it on all 3 moons it spawns

||Junic: 0.63%, Acidir: 0.66%, Alcatras: 0.85%||

this also led me to discover

||prisoner note 1 cannot spawn||

[boreal yoke]

this is happening so often to me now, scrap thats too small gets stuck inside stuff like atlantean citadel stairs or wesley toybox 😭

[near coyote]

there are two separate spawn weight entries for the second

[boreal yoke]

any fix to this?

[near coyote]

but none for the first

[quiet lantern]

Uh.. so its probably not intended that I was able to steal every scrap in the gift shop and sell them 💀

[pure imp]

Is it supposed to be impossible to drop items from ||the infamous Trite fire exit|| or is something else the cause?

It being ||directly above the ship|| made it seem like that was it's main purpose ||(Other than trolling people, of course )||

[indigo gulch]

||somehow i randomly unlocked junic and im not sure how, can someone tell me what happened? bc i unlocked gratar on aster 13 but suddenly junic showed up too is this a bug?||

[bitter crest]

||if you dont move when leaving, i think you can drop it with no problems||

[bitter crest]

did you scan ||the tape in 13?||

[indigo gulch]

probably i was with a friend and they probably did

[bitter crest]

there we go

[indigo gulch]

okay ty

also just curious is it possible to play wesley's moons and have access to all the moons even if you disable the ||vanilla moons||? bc i want the boys to try and focus on his moons and not be too distracted by ||vanilla moons that may not have anything on it||

[void basin]

Why is Gratar tagged Ocean?

[gaunt tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duckling-duck-distracting-duck-distraction-duck-keyboard-gif-26653642

[karmic lintel]

I just beat ||empra|| with the ||atomic bomb and stuff|| but the ||cutscene|| at the end started to play audio twice with a small gap in between, and I think the ship took off because of autopilot, cutting the whole thing very abruptly

[young sail]

What cheats bring people to....

[vapid crow]

Can we stop blacking out stuff now

[lapis cargo]

nope, @floral remnant hasnt finished the journey

we waiting on him

[floral remnant]

oh i left the thread

you guys can unspoiler your stuff

[floral remnant]

till I beat it, of course

[lapis cargo]

i dun wanna

[floral remnant]

ok!!

[cobalt sage]

me waiting for monty to finish journeys

https://tenor.com/view/manul-pallas-cat-spin-gif-8008723680437667169

[lapis cargo]

for every minute monty takes

another child suffers in the microwaves

https://tenor.com/view/flash-microwave-baby-gif-8132296605618640582

[cobalt sage]

another charred baby for the pile..

[willow shell]

Code rebirth right there

[willow shell]

Yeah that should be the case

[young sail]

Let him play with pleasure<|)

[near coyote]

||just to mention||

||the overseer sounds like stinger flynn||

that is all

[boreal yoke]

can anyone explain the ||silent package and lone listener|| to me all i know is that i die sometimes with them

[scarlet hawk]

Now to use Piggy's Variety Mod for the guns

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-edgy-gun-4chan-chungus-gif-22492410

[karmic lintel]

is there a way i can view the ending cutscene somewhere? my game bugged out and it got cut off

[young sail]

I can send you a video.

[karmic lintel]

i'd appreciate that, thank you

[young sail]

Give me a minute

[cobalt sage]

hold up

why does he have a pump action mp5

in what world

[young sail]

But I think in private messages X)

[scarlet hawk]

Sega in the early 2000s didn't know how guns work so they just make up nonsense

[indigo gulch]

Anyone pls? Also i found out that Wesley’s moons is incompatible with late company

[crude cairn]

Yes, new update now have config to disable progression. And u dont need vanilla moons since galetry is the new selling place.

And what incompatibility

[indigo gulch]

Sweet i was hoping to disable the vanilla moons but i wanted to make sure first

[cobalt sage]

use LobbyControl instead of latecompany

[indigo gulch]

With late company if someone joins in without restarting lobby all of the obtained moons won’t be sync’d up with them

[crude cairn]

Oh

[indigo gulch]

What does lobbycontrol do?

[crude cairn]

I think with lobby control that doesnt work too. One of my pack have it

[indigo gulch]

Rip

[crude cairn]

I joined late and the progress doesnt transfer to late player

[cobalt sage]

same as latecompany but with more fixes to issues caused by late join

[indigo gulch]

I was hoping it would bc we have a couple friends that often crash sometimes

[indigo gulch]

Okay i’ll check that out

[crude cairn]

Have u try disabling progression

[cobalt sage]

i don't think it auto reopens though

so u need to do lobby open in the terminal when youre not landed

[crude cairn]

U can make it auto reopen in lc config

[cobalt sage]

oh right

i heard that was super buggy though

[crude cairn]

Like what kinda buggy

Cuz your only option rn is either latecomp or lobby control

Ship lobby is long gone to dust

[cobalt sage]

apparently spams nullrefs

i only have lunx's messages to go off of so i don't know much abt it

[crude cairn]

Weird i dont have any spam with lc with all 220mods with it

Can u link the msg here

[indigo gulch]

Bruh i thought 156 mods are a lot

[cobalt sage]

they have a lot of errors in their pack though

so i'd look deeper into it

[crude cairn]

That is like 1 year ago lol

[cobalt sage]

yea

changelog for lobbycontrol doesn't mention anything of the auto reopen after the initial adding of the config option

so probably nothing changed since then

[crude cairn]

Nah i used it just fine dw

Most problem i have rn is from the new lll 1.4.x

[cobalt sage]

probably some incompat then

[crude cairn]

Wait until someone show u a pack with 100suits 100moons 100audio and 100scrap mods

[cobalt sage]

i've had the pleasure of trying to debug someone's profile with 356 mods in it before

they were pretty much just downloading whatever they saw and didn't pay attention to incompatibilities

they had stuff like both the moonpacks and their standalones installed at the same time

[vivid vigil]

I’m pretty sure they are sound activated like the dogs

[young sail]

Cooking something special with ||Cunningham||

[gaunt rain]

I'm proud of y'all

[strange saffron]

alright time for today's poll

[keen narwhal]

What is thalasso

[fickle sand]

What is thalasso

[strange saffron]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Magic_Wesley/Thalasso/ ?

[keen narwhal]

Atlantica then

[quartz copper]

Liquidation

[gaunt rain]

Another obvious answer (||it's aquatis||)
Also thalasso don't have lasso (man) inside but yeah 🤷
don't tell me to put art gallery here lol

[quartz copper]

Aquatis my beloved

[gaunt rain]

[keen narwhal]

erm actually the best ocean moon is adamance

[gaunt rain]

Flooded* adamance

[keen narwhal]

nah just adamance

water behind the ship

[quartz copper]

Real

[gaunt rain]

Why have water behind when you can have it everywhere

[quartz copper]

Behind is good

[keen narwhal]

goof

[gaunt rain]

Ogypogy biting my butt when I admire the back lake

[rustic saddle]

On the subject, is there any other way to get to ||Atlantica|| rather than just stumbling across ||its videotape?||

[granite lily]

yes

[rustic saddle]

i've been looking for so damn long

same goes for ||Gloom?||

[vapid lichen]

|| Explore infernis ||

[marble sun]

It's ||random scrap log||

[gaunt rain]

||Gloom is videotape tho, for atlantica, look around on specific volcanic moon||

[gaunt rain]

||ooh is it, what log is it?||

[rustic saddle]

thing is i've gone through an absurd amount of the ||logs, but none lead to it even as a secondary destination||

[marble sun]

I don't remember lol

[gaunt rain]

Rip

[marble sun]

but I think it was scrap

[rustic saddle]

okay i cannot believe i didnt see that at first, thank you

[marble sun]

it could be ||videotape|| as you said

[gaunt rain]

For ||videotape to gloom|| search ||alcatras||
||I believe it has biggest spawn chance there||

||I found it on 2nd/3rd try on my playthrough||

[rustic saddle]

||it does, i've got all the information for tapes and spawns written down xd Alcatras spawns the most tapes||

[gaunt rain]

||writing down too but only main routes, without videotapes||

[rustic saddle]

||exactly what im up to right now||

[young sail]

Where can I find ||Gloom|| and ||desolation||?

[young sail]

Oh, I saw it
Thanks x)

[gaunt rain]

||To desolation you have 2 routes|| ||either wait until 5pm on eclipsed polarus on the big area somewhere, or harrington crash log on utril||

[young sail]

Thanks!

[young sail]

||What's the log number?||

[gaunt rain]

||it's just a crash log inside, without a number||

[boreal yoke]

||do any other eclipsed moons have cool events? wth ive never heard of this||

[gaunt rain]

||probably not, I just heard about that eclipsed event recently but never witnessed/saw it myself||

[boreal yoke]

||I usually avoid eclipsed moons altogether since its just more of a gigantic hassle than anything but dang i might have to try going to all of them now||

[young sail]

||Okay, I found Desolation. What is the name of the Gloom record?||

[gaunt rain]

||I don't know if gloom has a record, I discovered gloom with a videotape from alcatras||

[young sail]

Understand!

[round dome]

||gloom just has a video tape i think||

[gaunt tangle]

ngl, while i love Atlantica's internal gimmick, i gotta go with Thalasso.

• the scrap pool is more to my liking
• invading at low tide as opposed to a presunk city stuck in a loop feels more natural
• external traps being a requirement for entrances nails the ancient civilization thing quite nicely, whereas Atlantica just tells me, "people used to live here"

[crimson cypress]

the nefarious thallasic:

Thallasic is lowkey too small

its kinda ass

[round dome]

thalassic is SUCKS!!! its just three basic ocean islands........

[crimson cypress]

true!

the nefarious aquatis:

Maybe the lack of islands was the friends we made along the way

[fluid zealot]

i think thalassos cool

thaLASSO.... could it be...?

[boreal yoke]

I typically use the Glowing Orb from atlantica as ship decoration/mood lighting and turn off the ship overhead lights

best scrap item ever

[round dome]

finally...someone else realizes the power of the Glowing Orb...

[severe sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-my-orb-monkey-swimming-pondering-my-monkey-ponder-monkey-monkey-gif-25207113

[rustic saddle]

||what happens on eclipsed polarus?||

[rustic saddle]

more like ||thalassophobia, being the fear of open body water||

[gaunt rain]

||ask those who witnessed it... because I didn't and I might as well be lying lol||

[rustic saddle]

hmm

okay bet my turn

[tranquil panther]

so I'm on the Atlantean citadel on Wesleys interiors, and i just got wedged into a wall and i cant escape, it was in one those rooms with the ||massive pit where the caves lead to||

[gaunt rain]

||oooohh so that's why thalasso is thalasso, that makes sense (especially when I was looking for map to ekhem... utril)||

[rustic saddle]

||do you know how to get there?||

wait nvm im being dumb

[gaunt rain]

it's okay lol

[young sail]

Bug of a small employee + purchase of ||mortar||

[young sail]

I was just really happy X)

[rustic saddle]

okay i just saw ||the Eclipsed Polarus effect,|| that is so cool

[gaunt rain]

||okay, I'm suprised that thing is even working lmao||

[young sail]

I need more

[sterile scroll]

What mod allows to put items on that?

I've been searching for it

[young sail]

I don't quite understand what you're talking about.

[sterile scroll]

On the bed thing on that pic, you have items in it

How?

[queen shard]

You’ve always been able to drop items on the bed. Just go up to it, look up a little, and drop

[young sail]

Oh..I don't need a mod for this, I just throw them on the bed.

[sterile scroll]

??? How??

[fickle sand]

you just walk up to it and drop them

[sterile scroll]

And it just perfectly drops them facing forward?

Mb, I missed your message

I never knew you could do that

I'll def try it tn when I play

[young sail]

like that

[sterile scroll]

you just blew my mind

pause

[strange saffron]

[young sail]

Look what I found!

[strange saffron]

|| did you see THE animation? ||

[young sail]

||Yes! I've been collecting them for about two hours now, and I've only found three of the five |)||

[young sail]

The animation is very cool

[heady coral]

What dose the go figure update change

[cobalt sage]

Check changelog

[polar pendant]

it's a pinned message

[still crater]

Should i just throw this mod in my modpack or is it best to create a new profile with just this or sum? whats recommended. i wanna do the journey thingy

[young sail]

Do as you like. But personally, I recommend installing the mod and if you want, add some more simple ones (Costumes/Emotions)

[gaunt rain]

anything you like
just not make your game too difficult (like I did, oopsies) + don't add too much scrap mods

[rotund spire]

it works just fine standalone or with modpacks

[gaunt rain]

yeah

[still crater]

[mystic fog]

GET THIS WITH WESLEYSINTERIORS

other than that the rest is up to you

this mod is 100% incomplete without wesleysinteriors though

[bitter crest]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SafeCharity/CozyJourneys/

[still crater]

Ooo this looks interesting tyty

[bitter crest]

https://tenor.com/view/clock-dance-clock-dance-it's-time-for-the-itft-gif-1527358667858399734

[mystic fog]

oh yeah isnt there a custom title for wesley's journeys

on emblem

i saw a video that had a custom title with the trailer footage in the background

on the title screen

im guessing it uses emblem

[glad merlin]

Guys could you pls explain me how to ulock all weslyes moons?

[bitter crest]

yeah

its on the modpack

i posted up here

[polar pendant]

You find go somewhere, find something, unlock moon. Go there, find something, unlock moon. Repeat. Unless you mean how do you just unlock them all instantly. It’s a config somewhere

[young sail]

||I screamed with joy and delight when I found the Webley figurine.||

[radiant perch]

If I'm playing with WesleysMoons and I have the story mode unlock turned off in the config, shouldn't that also disable to ||unlock tapes|| from spawning in as scrap?

[mossy grove]

just like me fr

[bitter crest]

does wesley's interiors have stingers?

[round dome]

yeah

they play at random

[bitter crest]

alr peak

ill use revisitstingers then

[round dome]

doesn't affect them

[bitter crest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956608001140228156/1283995517889679380/bakamibaby.gif

[polar pendant]

This is certainly a gif, that’s for sure

[still crater]

https://tenor.com/view/clock-dance-clock-dance-it's-time-for-the-itft-gif-1527358667858399734

[faint shard]

there's that many? 😮

[tight plank]

Finally obtain the 0.63% chance Gloom videotape spawn on Junic after 20+ resets
Puts the tape in
Looks at the terminal
36-Gloom (Blackout)

Perceive

[bitter crest]

nightmare

[tight plank]

Damn didn't know Ghost Girl was homophobic like that

[crimson cypress]

what...

[tight plank]

Since when was the solar death ray an emotion

[round dome]

is this a genre of videos

[crimson cypress]

it should be

[tight plank]

Why can two indoor maneaters spawn on Gloom tf

Wesley

In what way is this fun or fair

[forest coral]

It's Gloom, why are you complaining about Gloom

it's one of his most evil moons

[tight plank]

That doesn't excuse it

Gloom was not like this before

[forest coral]

I'm sorry but I will back Wesley up on his decisions and what he wants to do with his moons

Get trolled

[crimson cypress]

i want to know how he did this.

[crimson cypress]

why is he bald.

[tight plank]

Thank god for CentralConfig 🙏

[crimson cypress]

I NEED 10 OUTDOOR JESTERS

GRAAAAH

https://tenor.com/view/cat-twitching-tweaking-blink-blinking-gif-15542945703716446313

[near coyote]

well im sorry, but that doesnt mean it was a good idea

one maneater is already a lot to take care of

[cobalt sage]

you're right, it's a wesley idea

[crimson cypress]

why does it suprise you? its wesley. everything he does it positively nefarious.

[near coyote]

plus the second one can hear you drop the other

[cobalt sage]

important discretion to be made

[tight plank]

That doesn't make it good

nor excuse it

lol!

[crimson cypress]

the splendid spike trap:

[forest coral]

Wesley has his moons that he likes to make evil on purpose I just roll with it

[granite lily]

ngl
no idea

[crimson cypress]

just get better vro... its so simple...

[crimson cypress]

😢

[forest coral]

It adds some fun challenge to the game

[near coyote]

all i can really say is gloom is easily the rarest unlock one would get in a journeys playthrough, so its unlikely most would even find this unless they go out of their way to search for the tape

[granite lily]

It just kinda.. happens

[cobalt sage]

besides ||gloom is a dead end moon afaik, you'd only go there if you enjoy the suffering||

[crimson cypress]

also yesterday i learned you can outrun coil heads

[near coyote]

but i dont agree with anyones points

sorry

[granite lily]

yeh

[crimson cypress]

i was gonna say "oh damn dude coil heads are gonna suck here theres literally no doors"

and then i just

outran one

and it locked itself up really fast

plenty of space to run when theres no walls

[near coyote]

i still like to look back over a lot if im client because of how client side monsters lunge forwards a lot

[crimson cypress]

so many shenanigains will ensue in the interior cus of hehe haha funny gimmicks

running maneater over with a car

[young sail]

A lot, definitely more than 30

[crimson cypress]

wait, so all of these ||figurines have the full polygon count of a loaded player?||

[near coyote]

||thalassos daytime power is 0????||

[crimson cypress]

||i eated it||

[young sail]

||The figures are listed as...Something from the company? I'm not really sure how it works.||

[crimson cypress]

||"oh boy i sure do love undecimated models!" -wesley, probably||

[young sail]

||They seem to be like a terminal or a teleporter.||

[grave garnet]

car inside??

[crimson cypress]

yes.

soon.

at some point.

[lost burrow]

How does the gift shop work? Does it just randomly have a chance to have something spawned that you can buy?
Each time I go and check in on it, it seems to be entirely empty.

[polar pendant]

I want to say JLL has some capability to overwrite the entity limit but I could be making that up

[tight plank]

JLL has too much for its own good 💔

[lost burrow]

If this is a bug though then I have no idea what would be causing it, rip. Logs are only giving me errors regarding the CustomStoryLogs so I don't think that is related.

[granite lily]

nuh uh

[granite lily]

Do you have the latest update of JLL?

[lost burrow]

I think so, it was last updated on the 25th. I'll try updating it again though just in case.

Oh it works now. Guess I somehow didn't update it correcly, my bad!

[bitter crest]

i would use galetry as my modpack's company moon, but it doesnt support lethal casino yet :[

[tight plank]

How do you get to ||Lecaro's|| main entrance on foot?

[lost burrow]

Hop over the cave wall a bit.

It's right in front of the ship.

[near coyote]

there is an invisible wall

what do you mean

[lost burrow]

Is that new? I've been able to hop over it before.

[bitter crest]

theres no invisible wall??

theres a section where its steep

you need to go there

you can also cross the ||two lava platforms|| too

[tight plank]

Yeah, there's now an invisible wall. I discovered it initially when I tried to jetpack through it, but I guess this finally confirms it.

[bitter crest]

i need to see this myself

[near coyote]

im gonna record me trying to jetpack it

one second

[lost burrow]

I'm guessing that when the moons first came out there wasn't a wall and with the recent updates there probably is now, hence the confusion

Tbh I thought that was the intended method.

Considering that like, rocks fall and block your path off shortly after in there

[tight plank]

Whoop

[near coyote]

fail

anyways

[tight plank]

||Lecaro||'s placement might be inaccurate in just a minute here

[near coyote]

as far as i can tell, this is a mistake

but right now this moon is unplayable no ladders or jetpack

[lost burrow]

Huh guess there is an invis wall there after all then

[tight plank]

Erm, Cruiser's technically an option here due to its ability to boost ☝️🤓

[willow shell]

Always option

[lost burrow]

Not sure if this is really a valid fix but if you use a manual pack then you could probably download a previous version of that specific moon and overwrite the files with the outdated one if you dislike it that much? Not sure if that would break progression logs though.

If you use a modloader though then I have no idea how that'd be done not too sure of the specifics on those.

[tight plank]

Probably not compatible with the main pack

[near coyote]

im not really sure what you mean "dislike it that much"

[lost burrow]

Yeeaah hence my hesitancy on that. Not usually a good idea to mix old and new stuff.

[near coyote]

im pretty sure 99% of people wouldnt enjoy the fact they cannot play this moon without equipment

[tight plank]

Also, yeah, there isn't a, "Dislike it that much", here. If the invisible wall isn't a mistake, then this is objectively bad game design. There is no indication that you must bring an extension ladder, cruiser, or jetpack to play on this moon

[lost burrow]

I worded it bad, I meant in terms of waiting for a fix if it is a bug.

[near coyote]

it is a mistake im pretty sure

since multiple people have said it wasnt like this

[vapid lichen]

Why not break the wall with the shovel

[lost burrow]

Disliking it because it is broke, and an impatient workaround

[tight plank]

Every copy of ||Lecaro|| is personalized

[near coyote]

is this actually what you do

[tight plank]

What...

[vapid lichen]

Yep

Thats why theres a free shovel on the ground every day

[severe sierra]

there's a shovel next to the rock..

[vapid lichen]

Thats the moons whole gimmick

[near coyote]

wtf

[tight plank]

How were we supposed to get that?!

😭

[lost burrow]

I knew you could break the indoor ones but.. for some reason that.. that didn't come to my mind-

Well hey problem solved LMAO

[near coyote]

hold up

[tight plank]

This is some Pokémon-type shit

[near coyote]

ok

well, in that case

the rocks should have a scan node to indicate you have to do this

[tight plank]

||Lecaro||'s placement is now inaccurate due to this relavation; I'll send an updated version after we play it properly

Everything else is set in stone though

[lost burrow]

I was going to ask if the rails had collision to be walked down but if it is as simple as that specific wall being breakable then the invis wall being added makes a lot more sense

[near coyote]

oh nice the shovel actually stays on ship if you close the save file too

peak

[tight plank]

Infinite shovel glitch

Hoarding bugs HATE this one simple trick!

[near coyote]

||why are roaming locusts in lecaros indoor spawns||

i dont understand 😭

[tight plank]

Why can't it just be for ambience, y'know?

[near coyote]

ig?

[crimson cypress]

funny buzzz bunzzrnnzzn buzzz bizz buzzz

https://tenor.com/view/bee-cat-cat-love-silly-cat-cute-cat-gif-17955234

[bitter crest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1044813706405617735/1322021945503518751/VID_20241223103629.mp4?ex=67c1c221&is=67c070a1&hm=ba5300ad122e5c86c9651e02fe45b4a9a2ba5271bbf7a8dd71998b011ce846ec&

[young sail]

Maybe it's because of my movement enhancement modification, but I can just jump over these rocks.

[lapis cargo]

Isn't that the rock you're supposed to break with a shovel

[young sail]

...Can they be broken?":D

[lapis cargo]

Yes

[young sail]

OPS...

[lapis cargo]

It's very unclear btw so I don't blame you

[bitter crest]

WHAT WAS EVERYONE DOING THEN???

[lapis cargo]

But wesley left a shovel on the floor

To show you can break it

You used to be able to just jump over it

[bitter crest]

it was the first thing i did the moment i stepped out on lecaro

[lapis cargo]

But ig wesley made the collider bigger

[bitter crest]

(sees shovel on the floor)

(sees big wall)

"well the shovel is here so i must hit the wall to continue"

(hits big wall)

(breaks)

[young sail]

...WHY DID I THINK IT WAS A BUG?😭

[bitter crest]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-monsters-vs-aliens-monsters-aliens-cold-gif-14722289451700307817

[lapis cargo]

Cuz it's a wesley moon idk

[tight plank]

Yeah (oh)

Tick tock
Heavy like a Brinks truck
Looking like I'm tip-top
Shining like a wristwatch
Time will grab your wrist
Lock it down 'til the thing pop
Can you stick around for a minute til' the ring stop? Please God
Tick tock
Heavy like a Brinks truck
Looking like I'm tip-top
Shining like a wristwatch
Time will grab your wrist
Lock it down 'til the thing pop
Can you stick around for a minute til' the ring stops? Please God (please God)

[quartz copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866548182909452288/1289645796400173136/evil.gif

[lapis cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-gif-19620311

[granite lily]

Will do

[lapis cargo]

can u have a sign with like 3 red arrows and paint a red circle on the rock

pls itll really help with my attention span

i have dementia

[tight plank]

All toads lead to

[polar pendant]

All toads lead

[tight plank]

🐸

[boreal yoke]

I feel like qesley should have a journeys config option that defaults to a less evil setting

its awesome but some shit is just too annoying to deal with

I took a deep sigh when my party of 4 kept dying to the rubber rooms jumpacare door that just kills you straight up

old birds spawning inside grand armory is pretty evil too

[cobalt sage]

you can disable old birds spawning in the armory

and i think the scary door in rubber rooms might be able to be turned off?

[mystic fog]

theres also configs to remove the scary stuff and evil doors from rubber rooms

[boreal yoke]

im aware ive disabled it since then but my party kinda resented playing for a while because of dying all the time to something silly

[mystic fog]

same with mine

ive talked to them about this too

[boreal yoke]

I like the wesley style but sometimes I might just wanna get thru the journeys and have fun 😬

you really gotta be a SWEAT to get thru it rn

[mystic fog]

if i were you, to be honest

id just bypass the prices
make all the prices free
i think the price curve is my biggest demotivator

ive allowed my crew to skip money checks and just play the moons in order

its a bit overdemanding

[boreal yoke]

thats a really good idea honestly

[mystic fog]

im gonna retry the mod solo after our first run for my review

[tight plank]

You can do this with CentralConfig by default, except for the entity spawn count increase

That should definitely be an option, at least for the maneater

[mystic fog]

outside maneaters is just a big fuck you

i didnt even put that on my FINAL final endgame moon on my modpack

(gorgonzola)

just outside jesters/coils/barbers

[tight plank]

Outside maneaters would be fine if Wesley made them unable to cry out there on those specific moons that have them

||Lecaro:||

[mystic fog]

yea

[tight plank]

13in1

[crimson cypress]

SPORE ATTACK

[granite lily]

If you quickly shut the door you can survive the encounter

[crimson cypress]

lowkey, you might wanna make it easier

i literally had a time where i thought to myself "its gonna be behind this door" and it was and despite literally predicting its existence i still died

or add a config called stinky mode that makes it easier

for those who are stinky

somehow, only I ever seem to get it too. none of my friends do.

i guess its just the nefarious nature of it

[lapis cargo]

probably because you're stinky

it smelled you

miles away

[boreal yoke]

the default mode should be the easier mode IMO

i never knew that you could close the door until i’ve had fully raged about it here a while ago

[granite lily]

||https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/jGiScAmUwYDZZNdSE?invite=cr-MSx5WWgsMjI5OTY0ODMzLA||

[gloomy grove]

||I've successfully shut it before it killed me every time and that's on accident, sooo skill issue for those who don't||

Idk Wesley's shit is hard but none of it is unplayably difficult

[forest coral]

Remember my moment where I said fuck you when I ||closed it in it's face?|| 😂

[cobalt sage]

this really freaked me out the first time i played rubber rooms lol

[gloomy grove]

Honestly I have more issues with the damn ||Lasso man paintings|| than any of his other hazards, spawns or difficulty curves

Shit is brutal on harder moons

[forest coral]

||Mac getting yoinked was so damn funny though you gotta admit||

[mystic fog]

i think the reason theres less lasso man complaints is cuz art gallery doesnt seem common on the starter moons compared to rubber rooms

but his reach is massive

[tight plank]

I've never had an issue with them during my entire playthrough

[mystic fog]

https://tenor.com/view/low-taper-fade-ninja-fortnite-gif-8112134725931169071

[tight plank]

The moment I heard their sound cue, I either booked it or got to higher ground where they could not reach me. These encounters were rare, anyway

[mystic fog]

i think maybe his lassos could be nerfed to do 50+ on impact instead

so youre still guaranteed dead if youre close

but you can at least reasonably back away like the spider

[young sail]

Aaaa.

I hate discord

[mystic fog]

the hazard lassos should still be insta though

id appreciate if you could even see him drag you up

[tight plank]

Like

[young sail]

I'm just opening these doors from the side...It saves lol

[tight plank]

Pretty sure I've encountered only three active mysterious painting throughout the playthrough of the campaign

[mystic fog]

me personally

the easiest one is actually grand armory lol

the old birds cant pathfind for shit sometimes on that interior

the issue is just finding main

[tight plank]

The issue for me personally is just finding the scrap sites

They're really ass-deep in the facility sometimes

and it's slow getting them back since you usually end up being heavy with what you've got

[worthy swallow]

Hey I'm playing on steamdeck and I wanna know is it a steamdeck bug that I can't see the tapes play?

It's just technicolor

[mystic fog]

to add i do agree with this btw

my main issue is just the time sink

having to grind back enough money for something thats over 2000+ like cosmocos

and having to deal with the vanilla quota

id rather play with either 0 cost moons/no quota or at the VERY least quota rollover

[crimson cypress]

solution: play unbalanced planets win unbalanced games

aka go to any free modded moon that has a stupidly high scrap spawn rate

[mystic fog]

true

[crimson cypress]

reign reference

i still havent fixed that shit

you can casually get like 2k first quota with a team of four

😭

it used to be so ass but i overbuffed it

[mystic fog]

i just changed reign to have like
almost the exact same loot table as rend but with a slightly higher value cap

all i did for the bramble moons was give them +50 to the value minimum and maximum

[crimson cypress]

its a paid moon in ur pack i assume

or not, idk

i wanna make a moon like offense where its very dangerous but it gives good rewards

[mystic fog]

reign is literally where rend is lol

[crimson cypress]

oh lol

[lapis cargo]

how about u dont make moons

[crimson cypress]

cus like, getting 100 more value than assurance on average but having to deal with no fire exit and endless thumpers and coils is genuinely painful

[crimson cypress]

reign when they meet feign:

[mystic fog]

true

same shit happened to the sector above

[crimson cypress]

dirge when they meet birge and pirge

[mystic fog]

vvvvvv vvvv v vv

[crimson cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wtf-oh-hell-nah-gif-4183712492046775434

[mystic fog]

doesnt help that verdance is the experimentation replacement

[crimson cypress]

eh, at least its not as bad as a 1 letter difference

[mystic fog]

https://tenor.com/view/vvvvvv-veni-vidi-vici-gif-17272238648927934182

i think its funny

i could replace it with temper buuuuut

feign also has lore with haul so

im keepin it

[gloomy grove]

Yeah that's fair, preferring a more relaxed gameplay style is ultimately a preference, I just don't think it should be on Wesley to add an "easy mode", use Central Config or something if you want an easy mode, Wesley already adds a lot of configs lol

[gloomy grove]

Gorgonzola be like:

[mystic fog]

i took that design to the extreme on my modpack
i havent done proper playtesting with a crew yet but

[gloomy grove]

Also this analogy only works if Offense were actually better than Assurance. Thanks Zeekerss

[mystic fog]

its insanely nuts outside spawn rates but outside of the custom cheese scrap its almost entirely gold scrap

its supposed to be the FINAL final moon, 5250 to route

the modpack comes with LGU at least so its designed around ironmanning or high quota-ing

[gloomy grove]

I've been enjoying GI's Quota Rollover stuff for high quota runs

[forest coral]

I always felt like Quota Rollover is too cheaty for High Quota runs but idk

[mystic fog]

same here

i did just shout it out but thats cuz i like a cozier gameplay loop for wesleys

i think for high quota it should be more about resource management

[forest coral]

Yeah

The vanilla system very much has it's place

[gloomy grove]

I use GI's specifically because you can set it so if you team wipe you still lose everything, and it properly calculates overtime bonus

[crimson cypress]

if you could change 1 thing abt vanilla, what would it be?

im curious to hear everyone's opinions

[gloomy grove]

So it's basically the same as vanilla gameplay, you just don't have to hoard

[forest coral]

I haven't played vanilla in so long that I barely remember what it was like tbh

so I can't comment

[gloomy grove]

Bring back the fox properly

Honestly that's really it

[crimson cypress]

id say rebalance equipment cost / usage

which is a broad topic but

[mystic fog]

fox i think was let off too early

[crimson cypress]

either A: make zap gun more affordable

[mystic fog]

it needed nerfs but all of its nerfs were so overtuned it just gave it a different problem

[crimson cypress]

or B: give the extension ladder a decent purpose

[mystic fog]

it should have just been pure stat drops

[light hull]

Dedicated slot or slots for equipment.

[gloomy grove]

But yeah I have Quota Rollover set up in a way that it's basically vanilla, it just reduces clutter

[forest coral]

Eh the Belt Bag was intended for that

[crimson cypress]

i wish there was a utility belt version that gives one equipment slot

[mystic fog]

extension ladder has a purpose as an early-game jetpack replacement
id say radar booster needs a purpose

i never see anyone use it

also kneecap the adamance outside spawn rate
and make dine good again

[light hull]

Belt bag too niche for it's purpose

[crimson cypress]

theres very little positions where its helpful

solely because of its timer

it would be a good bridging tool without the timer

[forest coral]

I mean even the Cruiser is useless in vanilla

[gloomy grove]

Yknow I've never thought about it before but I would vibe with a dedicated belt bag slot, probably the only dedicated slot in vanilla I would be okay with

[forest coral]

No vanilla moons have terrain that work good for it

[crimson cypress]

except for the fact it can fly to ship in back on artifice

[mystic fog]

artifice cruiser jump is awesome

other than that yeah

[forest coral]

With mods yes

the Vanilla Cruiser can't

[crimson cypress]

im sure cruiser jump exists in some convoluted way

[crimson cypress]

yeah it can, just store more fuel in the back

[mystic fog]

it

can?

thats the meta for high quota

[forest coral]

I've just always hated driving the Cruiser on Artifice cus the terrain is so shit

lol

[crimson cypress]

the terrain is fine its the trees imo

damn trees!

we need to hire beavers

https://tenor.com/view/inyawnzz-omprazol-gif-15613905077150312507

eating the trees

[forest coral]

Also you say the Cruiser is Meta for High Quota but as far as I'm aware a lot of people doing High Quota runs don't touch it

[gloomy grove]

Nah the cruiser is definitely meta for Artifice, it saves time and inventory over jetpacks

[crimson cypress]

its the safest and fastest way to clear artifice with all its heavy scrap

[gloomy grove]

Cruiser has its moments

[crimson cypress]

well, not safest

but

fast

if youre smart its safe

[forest coral]

The Cruiser is so damn unreliable in terms of safety in Vanilla

Explodes so easy

XD

[gloomy grove]

Git gud

[crimson cypress]

thats why weed killer is critical

[light hull]

Skull issue

[crimson cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-cat-cute-bye-gif-16444872

[gloomy grove]

It works well on March and Artifice tbh, like surprisingly well on March

[forest coral]

I hate Weed Killer still existing

[gloomy grove]

All the other vanilla moons, yeah it's kinda shit especially depending on random prop rng

[crimson cypress]

i do agree with the sentiment that it sucks on most vanilla planets without boosts tho

dont tell anyone this but nephrite was practically designed to be cruiser drivable

[gloomy grove]

The real issue is that it's just not worth the hassle on other vanilla moons

[forest coral]

Weed Killer bottles never contained enough and the niche of it only being useful for the Cruiser after the removal of the fox is odd

[crimson cypress]

should be changed to engine oil

and the fox reintroduced with new mechanics

[gloomy grove]

Fox got done dirty and I won't forgive Zeekerss until it's back

[forest coral]

It's not coming back

[gloomy grove]

Then I'll never forgive Zeekerss

[crimson cypress]

it would be funny if the fox well, instead of kidnapping you and killing you, it just kidnapped you

[forest coral]

It's not even Zeekerss's fault it got removed

[gloomy grove]

[forest coral]

Blame all the people that complained

It was a horribly unbalanced enemy in v56 cus of the vain shrouds being so out of control

[mystic fog]

like an outside aloe?

[crimson cypress]

lowkey whenever i got grabbed by the fox i just felt disappointed, it had its issues

[crimson cypress]

basically

[gloomy grove]

It kinda is lol, finish your product instead of releasing a buggy mess and getting upset whenever people complain

I genuinely loved the fox in every way when it worked properly, it was the Vain Shrouds that sucked

[forest coral]

I think he just got burnt out

[mystic fog]

me personally, it really just needed a way to get out of its grasp
or at least make it do damage instead of insta

it was a fun outside mob

[forest coral]

He was planning to bring it back but then ended up having a change of tone

[mystic fog]

the weed killer just needed a buff

[crimson cypress]

we just need a new update tbh

[mystic fog]

i like that it threatens the ship stayer though

[crimson cypress]

the introduction of vehicles is a great concept

[mystic fog]

only the masked and dogs do that otherwise

[crimson cypress]

we need another great concept

[forest coral]

We will after he releases his new game

[gloomy grove]

I stand by my statement though, removing basically everything that made your update unique because people complained instead of listening and fixing it is childish behavior

[forest coral]

The removal was intended to be temporary cus it had so many problems

[crimson cypress]

i think his sentiment was "im pulling it to make it better, and then reintroduce it" and he never did

[gloomy grove]

He removed the fox entirely, neutered all of the Barber's special mechanics, and basically killed off his own update

[forest coral]

He is 1 guy, I think when he realized it had as many issues as it did that was when he got burned out and decided it probably isn't returning

[mystic fog]

i was actually okay with this treatment because i assumed he'd resume it when he returns after Welcome to the Dark Place

[gloomy grove]

Yeah I'm aware it was intended to be temporary, but then he gave up on it

[crimson cypress]

wasnt the barber broken from the start?

[mystic fog]

but he recently responded to someone on twitter that he has 0 plans with it

[gloomy grove]

I stand by my opinions idk

[forest coral]

The Barber stuff was also cus it was so broken

[mystic fog]

he still wants to return after Welcome to the Dark Place but hes practically abandoned the fox

[crimson cypress]

but theres good news

everyone picked up his trash and turned it into treasure using mods

[mystic fog]

TRUE!

any good fox rebalancing mods btw besides just yesfox

does butterybalance rebalance it? i forgot

i didnt see it on the wiki iirc

also its missing AI so

[gloomy grove]

I feel like my point is being missed, he releases an update with two new enemies that basically don't work at all and then people complain so he's like "Let's just basically remove them entirely cuz people complained"

That's my issue

Even if he didn't intend it that way, that was the result

[mystic fog]

no no i get it

i was agreeing with you on that point based on his recent response

he said hes going to return it later and then just

went back on that

[gloomy grove]

Yeah

[forest coral]

Maybe he still will idk

[mystic fog]

i genuinely think hes just burnt out of his own game
as the updates have gone on he seems a bit more irrational

hopefully things are a lot nicer post-wttdp

[forest coral]

I personally hated the fox in v56 cus it was over opressive when trying to deal with broken vain shroud spawns

[mystic fog]

if weed killer got buffed, vain shroud spawns got nerfed, and the fox was easier to escape

[crimson cypress]

last update was peak and rational idk what you mean

[mystic fog]

it would be

[forest coral]

Nowadays I dislike it cus I realize the ai is so broken and weird

[mystic fog]

perfect

[forest coral]

I love the enemy itself and the design though

[mystic fog]

ok for the most part except for the mineshaft water paths

those are clippy as all hell

i keep getting stuck in them

[crimson cypress]

agreed, but its sorta intentional, but bad

[gloomy grove]

The fox and Barber were both really cool conceptually with unique mechanics and instead of trying to fix those when shit broke he neutered them both, one by killing it and the other by stripping it to a shell of its previous self, and Zeekerss has made a ton of money from this game, if he lacks the coding skill necessary to fix them, hire someone to help him instead of just killing them off and giving up. That's the part that upsets me and feels childish tbh

[mystic fog]

how exactly was the barber neutered btw, curiously

[crimson cypress]

supposed to be a "oh dont get stuck or you drown!" bit but like, when you do die to it, its just annoying

[mystic fog]

ik it used to spawn sets of 2-3 but thats all i remember

[crimson cypress]

used to travel in pairs like a marching band

[mystic fog]

ah

[crimson cypress]

following in a line

[mystic fog]

OOH in a line?

ok thats cool

[crimson cypress]

yep.

[mystic fog]

i didnt notice it actually

[tight plank]

Sorry to interrupt, but what's all the possible weather on ||Hyx||?

[mystic fog]

butterybalance reimplements the multi-spawn but not the line i think

at least on testing

[tight plank]

The line?

So rookie barbers DID follow the master?

[mystic fog]

yeah

[forest coral]

tbf he also has a lot of pressure put on him. The game blew up in ways he likely never expected it to so he likely gets Overwhelmed when so many people complain and gripe about things being broken

[mystic fog]

i definitely see nikki's point then

[mystic fog]

again, i think hes burnt out of his own game

as much as nikki is right he did need that WTTDP hiatus

[crimson cypress]

i think theres a mod SPECIFICALLY just for fixing the barber

adds multicolored ones, and reintroduces lines

[gloomy grove]

If Zeekerss hadn't made as much money as he did on LC and couldn't afford to get some help with his project I'd be more forgiving tbh, but LC has made a TON of money and he should have hired a team, even a small one, to help him fix it rather than basically abandon it. But I'm hoping he comes back and fixes his abandoned child and then I will forgive him

I love LC but the way he dropped the fox after getting negative feedback put a really bad taste in my mouth and scares me for the future of his updates

[mystic fog]

does barberfixes fix the line?

[forest coral]

There's drawbacks to this though, some people just wanna work on their projects at their own pace without other people getting involved wanting to make their own changes and stuff

[tight plank]

I agree
As much as I love Zeekerss, he is treating Lethal Company abysmally. Having (bugfix) mods is basically mandatory to play the game nowadays, at least in my opinion

[crimson cypress]

i think the last update was 100% what the community needed. Finally a new interior, a silly yet scary enemy that was genuinely a super unique idea, and other misc fixes

[mystic fog]

i think v60 was specifically intended to pacify the community long-term so that he can work on the other game

[crimson cypress]

plus the scrap

[gloomy grove]

Then do so without saying "Nah I'm removing this feature that a lot of people really liked because of some complaints"

It was a mistake the way he handled it

[crimson cypress]

idk, it had some heart in it

[mystic fog]

no it definitely did

maneater was a very inspired choice

just saying in a functional sort of way

[gloomy grove]

Maneater and Mineshaft are proof that Zeekerss can make peak if he puts his mind to it, so I'm just upset that he's so okay with just removing the fox forever

[forest coral]

I disagree that Mineshaft is peak but it's decent

[mystic fog]

about the same here

maneater is mega peak tho

[forest coral]

I don't feel like Mineshaft tops the original 2 interiors tbh, it's cool but doesn't top them

[mystic fog]

i like the idea of having to go into the caves for the extra scrap

i just wish the caves were designed better

[forest coral]

Yeah

[mystic fog]

cough cough water holes cough cough

[forest coral]

That exactly

the water holes are really annoying

lol

[gloomy grove]

Mineshaft 100% tops Mansion imo, Mansion is just boring to play nowadays, Mineshaft at least has an interesting gameplay loop. Facility is too good as the OG though.

[abstract heron]

I think it's very realistic that someone might get burnt out from working on a game for 3 years straight and every time you release something new a wave of angry children bitch about it

[willow shell]

I hate getting the water holes that have pretty much no end and you have to go main

[gloomy grove]

I'm not saying burnout is unrealistic, my issue is how he handled his burnout

[tight plank]

This is intentional
You aren't just gonna slip through tight crevices like butter 😆

[crimson cypress]

its a unique execution of a simple idea, fits the lethal company charm, leads to scary moments.

[abstract heron]

which was removing the thing people we're constantly harassing him about and working on other projects?

that seems pretty reasonable

[crimson cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/cave-gif-17228320602214483460

cave divers:

[forest coral]

Yeah the point I was trying to make was essentially this, he obviously had a lot of passion and love for the fox it shows in the design but I think he got burnt out and felt some overhwhelming pressure when he got all the complaints and realized how much needed fixed with the system and then it's ai and stuff

[mystic fog]

idk
im boutta sound real fencesitty but i do think both of you guys are valid
zeekers is definitely experiencing real burnout but i also did think barber and fox needed tweaks
i still think people need to just let him work on WTTDP though

only thing is

might just be my POV but i havent

seen anyone complain about lethal company not getting updates

everyone was very understanding of the hiatus

[abstract heron]

nah i've seen quite a few

[mystic fog]

i feel like nikki is correct too in that the reaction was a bit kneejerk-ish

its why i hope he just comes back to it after WTTDP

[abstract heron]

I don't think it's neccasarily unreasonable for people to be unhappy about the hiatus either, even if its for understandable reasons

[mystic fog]

fair

[mystic fog]

also based btw

[forest coral]

I mean he admitted that it was cus he lost steam

[mystic fog]

mansion doesnt have much in terms of gimmicks

[forest coral]

which meant burnout

[gloomy grove]

I disagree, he chose to release it in a state he knew wasn't fully ready, he initially released it as a beta and then decided "actually yknow what yeah negative feedback aside it's great I'm pushing it to main" and then killed it off with zero intent to work on it again afterwards when he got negative feedback for his buggy release

[forest coral]

Which that also happened not too long after he said the fox prolly wasn't coming back so he may backtrack on that

[mystic fog]

yes i know its intentional
doesnt change the fact that going into an area you cant get through, just to turn back and get stuck again still isnt fun
its not even avoidable like the pits in facility

its just genuinely a fuck you moment if the game decides you suddenly cant turn back around

[forest coral]

Wrong, I think the issue was not enough people Beta tested and reported all the issues

[tight plank]

I'm pretty sure Zeekerss exclusively beta tests with his friends

[mystic fog]

he does

he posts clips of it on twitter and reposts other beta testing clips

[tight plank]

People like Blueray are commonly present within clips of it, even in Lethal Company's trailer

[abstract heron]

he chose to release it in a state he knew wasn't fully ready
it's an early access game

[mystic fog]

i remember this from the v50 days

[forest coral]

A lot of the issues with the fox never got discovered during the beta he said that himself

Not enough people played enough days or quotas to discover it

[tight plank]

Yeah, Zeekerss should (ironically) play high quota while betatesting

Just a few quotas ain't gonna cut it

[crimson cypress]

anyways, if yall want a lethal company like game that gets updates still id maybe take a look at kletka. Its suprisingly deep and its about to recieve a major update. Only thing holding it back is the lack of a modding community.

[abstract heron]

Also, I wanna make it very clear that the issue here was not negative feedback, it was hate. these are not the same thing.

[gloomy grove]

I stand by my opinions, and I would be much more apologetic if he hadn't changed his stance so many times and eventually went from promising it as a temporary removal to just "Yeah it's not coming back"

[crimson cypress]

its such a good format like lethal, im sure it could be great with mods

[forest coral]

Yeah he recieved so much hate for the fox

[willow shell]

Honestly with the fox there may it may have needed some minor changes but I honestly think that the biggest problem was that it either spawned at ship or sometimes main

[crimson cypress]

its probably the closest thing we will ever get to a fully fleshed out lethal company beta-like game

[forest coral]

He was getting burnt out around the time he said it probably wasn't coming back

[abstract heron]

why can't they change their mind

[mystic fog]

i think i stand by mine as well
i think the matter ultimately depends on if he sticks to his word
he deserves the break as much as the fox deserves a chance

and ultimately either way

im still gonna be playing modded

🧌

[cobalt sage]

what is going on in here

[mystic fog]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[tight plank]

Ayo the pizza here

Also, this conversation is definitely not as bad as the gif is implying

[mystic fog]

yea true

i just thought winters message was funny

[light hull]

need a gif of 12 angry men

[tight plank]

SOMEONE SAY MEN?

[gloomy grove]

I feel like I had reached an agreement with most people here and now Batby is coming for my throat for my opinion

[tight plank]

Nvm I'm dipping

Perceive

[abstract heron]

nothing i said was even close to "coming for your throat" what

[crimson cypress]

kid named throat

https://tenor.com/view/cat-arrive-cat-kitten-jump-bounce-gif-2199986893345488897

[mystic fog]

i think its how she interpreted your original message

[bitter crest]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-the-creation-tyler-the-creator-child-kid-son-gif-8121086759220539515

[mystic fog]

calling the fox detractors crying babies and such
seemed a bit off the wall

[bitter crest]

what have i stepped into

[crimson cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-cat-cute-bye-gif-16444872

imma dip

goobnite

[bitter crest]

oh

yknow what same

[gloomy grove]

That's how it felt but maybe that's the depression talking

[abstract heron]

ok

[mystic fog]

again personally i didnt see that many huge complaints but i dont like interacting with game communities very much

this is the most i have

[tight plank]

Yeah, no, this I definitely agree with
I was a bit taken aback to see how much blood was boiled in reaction to the kidnapper fox and vain shrouds

[forest coral]

As someone who has depression from time to time myself I had to learn not to allow it to control my thoughts and emotions lol

[mystic fog]

even then i feel like you shouldnt take overly destructive criticism like that to heart
especially as a game dev its bound to happen

[quartz copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866548182909452288/1289645796400173136/evil.gif

[mystic fog]

talking in zeekers shoes rn

[bitter crest]

ive seen "ok" do so much damage to people lol

[quartz copper]

Hello chat I have arrived to deliver important news

[abstract heron]

people we're not criticizing it, they we're hating it and him

[bitter crest]

they overthink, then the fire grows bigger over a simple "ok"

[quartz copper]

https://tenor.com/view/small-cat-cat-dance-sleepy-kitten-pathetic-cat-kitten-hold-gif-2871114101866651462

this cat

[mystic fog]

im still glad hes taking the hiatus however

[crimson cypress]

is it that im stinky??

[tight plank]

Silent package

[forest coral]

It's a hard thing to control depression

[lapis cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-boss-funny-dont-step-stop-it-gif-16511132

[forest coral]

It sucks

[crimson cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-cute-adorable-cleaning-gif-17363748

[forest coral]

But I do it when it hits

[crimson cypress]

cus im not stinky.

[mystic fog]

thats why i said destructive
it was detracting from everything else

[quartz copper]

his ass is not cleaning!!!

[tight plank]

Now this conversation is all over the place

[mystic fog]

also im gonna be completely honest i want receipts on the hate directed towards him specifically
i know fox was controversial from offhand sources even if i never saw it myself

and some people called the game shit for it but

[crimson cypress]

THE LOCUSTS

[quartz copper]

i too think cereal is a soup

[mystic fog]

i didnt see anything directed at zeekers as a person

[gloomy grove]

Depression has been kicking my ass for like the last week which sucks

[mystic fog]

this is giving me "waluigi fans threatened sakurai" vibes

[forest coral]

Yeah it does

[abstract heron]

I'm not gonna spend 30min digging up discord messages so feel free to believe me or don't. i'm active on his server and i have talked to him on multiple occasions

[mystic fog]

hmm