Wesley's Moons/Interiors/Weathers/Variants/General/Mrov

[marble plank]

Also LC_API is a way outdated mod

I don't know what has it as its dependancy but you should probably get rid of it

[languid pulsar]

All 3 of those were in the zip folder i downloaded as the dependency

So I assumed they all needed to be in the plugins folder

[languid pulsar]

Pronouns indicator, good to know

[marble plank]

Asteroid 13 only has LethalExpansionCore from what I remember

But apparently it still uses lethalexpansion.lem

which I didn't know

so that's fine

What is Lethal_Doors is it the door hitbox fix?

[languid pulsar]

It makes it so the ship door can kill you if ya stand in it while it closes

lmao

[marble plank]

You should see which mods haven't been updated in a long while and probably get rid of those

if any of them have above 2 months from their last update it's probably best to just delete them

[languid pulsar]

Good to know

[marble plank]

and you should really consider using a manager

a) way easier to manage/browse mods
b) way easier to play modded Lethal with friends

[languid pulsar]

True

lemmie go through my doc of mods and check which im using may be outdated

[languid pulsar]

is 3 weeks that old?

thats when it was last updated

[marble plank]

what mod is it?

it's not that old

[languid pulsar]

the LC_API

[marble plank]

Yeah, LC_API is just bad in general. And I don't think it's worth keeping it for a single mod

[languid pulsar]

Valid

Wesley I apologize for hijacking your forum lmao

[marble plank]

wanna move it to #help-and-troubleshooting

[languid pulsar]

Yeee

[valid yoke]

says disonnence so maybe you need disonnecne lag fix

my discord apparantly was not scrolled down

[languid pulsar]

lol

[cobalt zealot]

Would there be any possibility for using LLL in the future? I've been trying everything in my power to get your moons to work with the latest LLL and its just not gonna. Unless somebody picks up LE development everything running on it is gonna be depreciated fairly soon i'd assume.

[hoary rock]

LE was updated 3 days ago though

And Joakim said that LECore is gonna get updated

[cobalt zealot]

did LE find a new dev? I havn't had it installed due to having Core

I just last saw OP wasn't gonna develop it anymore

[hoary rock]

no clue honestly, all I know is that it got updates recently

[cobalt zealot]

Regardless, every interior mod uses LLL and these maps are the only reason I'm staying on LLL 1.0.7

[abstract heron]

Gonna make sure I lock in with Wesley, Msrkplier & sfDesfat as soon as we have some documentation

[cobalt zealot]

😮 big boy collab time 👍

[valid yoke]

cosmocos? is it out

[balmy elm]

Hoping ceelery can end up in that lock in with the triage cause Kast would be cool to also see in LLL to avoid the whole LE kerfuffle too . < .

[agile oak]

Does gratar's voice do anything besides spook you?

Alsooo... whats everyone's favorite moons out of these now?

:P

[languid pulsar]

I keep seeing people talk about LLL and LE

Like constantly asking to use LLL instead

[agile oak]

god we need more outside enemies

[languid pulsar]

What's the difference?

[agile oak]

LLL is newer, has significantly faster load times, and should theoretically allow for cool shenanigans to be put into moons more easily.

[languid pulsar]

Ooo

[agile oak]

LLL is a little nicer for players because of those load times, and I guess people dont like having to install both at once to use their stuff

[abstract heron]

are the load times actually faster

[languid pulsar]

Does anyone have a Moon on both LLL and LE to test that?

[abstract heron]

egypt prolly

but le egypt was a while ago

[agile oak]

of course padawan

[abstract heron]

😬

itll probably be like

200%ish faster in a month-ish

[granite lily]

About the time it takes to load into Polarus

[agile oak]

ok lmao i was going to mention that but i was worried it was due to an interior mod i had installed

[abstract heron]

the thing making load times so long in startup and level load rn afaik is just a lack of documentation on content creation in unity in general

i've yet to see a moon that should be over 50mb

but thats like no devs fault it's just unity can be

[agile oak]

gosh gratar is so good

luuuuuve gratar

[granite lily]

It's going to get better

[agile oak]

HOW!!

i must knowwww

[granite lily]

||You'll see||

[agile oak]

god dammit

that spoiler hyped me up so much

bfafdgdvfdgdgg

[granite lily]

LOL

||Same goes for Polarus||

[agile oak]

by far my favorite moon ever though

^ (this is just "you'll see" written 3 times isnt it >:) )

O

!!

ok wait I havent been ABLE TO GO TO POLARUS

cause it locks me out on going in

idk if thats a known issue or a mod incompatibility on my part

[languid pulsar]

I was testing Polarus and the elevator shaft wouldn't let me up

It kept clipping me through

[granite lily]

yeah no the load time there is unbearable sometimes

[languid pulsar]

Soft lock lol

[agile oak]

From the screenshots it looks really cool, did someone say something about polarus giving off sandworm vibes?

or was that a different moon

[agile oak]

mmm the console seems to be logging errors (something about a missing part to a navmesh/missing a navmesh)

very very red and very much constantly repeating

but it might be a me problem so ill report back in a bit :)

[granite lily]

uh.. nice lol, gonna see if I can fix that when I get home

[agile oak]

might be a weird question to ask but uh do you have a favorite moon :P

[languid pulsar]

Hehe cool

[agile oak]

or are all your children equal

:P

[languid pulsar]

While I know very little about coding in general, I wonder if you could take something from the ship taking off

Because that seems to keep players anchored to it while it moves

[granite lily]

Nope, definitely have favourites

[agile oak]

good, same with my sisters

[granite lily]

Other than the horrible load time and the elevator clipping bug
Is there any feedback for Polarus?

[granite lily]

You can walk up to the ship, there's a path to the left of the elevator
It's just.. slightly longer

[abstract heron]

Whats the filesize on Polarus

[granite lily]

~32MB

It's actually one of the smaller ones

[gloomy grove]

I dunno, Wesley

Infernis and/or Orion were my favorite moons

But Collateral from Generic might just beat ya out 😛

The Great Hoarding Bug War Planet

[primal dawn]

i have a question is there any list of the moon prices?

because I swear last time i played most were free and now they cost money to go to lol

[primal dawn]

thank you!

[marsh panther]

Not necessarily- but there totally should be a list of moon prices on that one package with all moons tbh o- o

[proper rapids]

They were never free, it was a bug from LEcore interfering with LLL

[marsh panther]

^

[primal dawn]

oooo gotcha!

that makes sense

[marsh panther]

If you're using AC, to get the price back to how it is (not 0 - or whatever custom number you used), simply tick the box next to the price and it'll update

[proper rapids]

Or update LLL, it's fixed in the most recent version

[marsh panther]

LLL still doesn't display 2-3 of my moons right

There must be a link between them

[primal dawn]

they are fine now I thought they were free because the prices aren't listed lol

lemme check

mine just has asteroid

free

the others are good

[proper rapids]

probably the fault of the moons then. Castle Grounds isn't displaying correctly for me too but that moon does need some work anyways afaik

[marsh panther]

Mhm- that's one of em

one other one that isn't functioning right is Abandoned_Manor in terms of price showing

[granite lily]

I've added the prices to the post

[marsh panther]

They both use LE... ...

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[valid yoke]

LLL got some problems i but i hope there fixed...

[marsh panther]

It's getting hammered atm

[proper rapids]

yeah castle grounds hasnt been worked on for quite a while. LLL is our saviour already since back in the days LE was causing maaaaaany more gamebreaking bugs. Never had a totally gamebreaking bug with LLL yet.

[valid yoke]

never had issues with LE

[proper rapids]

With LE you were guaranteed to have bug with any mod in your modpack, making it unplayable at times. Then came LEcore which already prevented a lot of these bugs and now theres LLL

[valid yoke]

core

[proper rapids]

yeah core is already pretty good in terms of preventing bugs from LE

yet LLL has the more active (and experienced?) dev and bundles all the important stuff together

[agile oak]

do worms work on orion?

[valid yoke]

i do wish they would work perfectly together

[gloomy grove]

Yeee

[agile oak]

What do you like about it?

[gloomy grove]

It's atmospheric, one of the few destroyed skyscraper maps that actually looks decent (other than Budapest the lag machine), most enemy types can spawn but the game gives you cover and props to deal with them and it just feels very vanilla in terms of balancing

Good Mansion interior map to boot

And also just it was one of the earliest to come out, considering the quality it has for how early it came out I respect that too

Other moons might outclass it overall from cool features and unique gimmicks, but it's an OG with a good gameplay feel and cool design

Also, lategame moons with no turrets/landmines I'm a fan of

I don't like turrets/landmines

Should just install a mod to remove em xD

Or at least turrets

landmines aren't too bad

Turrets are obnoxious imo

[granite lily]

"Just run past them"

[proper rapids]

Just jump ontop of them xD I think turrets are the easiest "enemy" this game has

[granite lily]

It does depend a lot on the interior

[abstract heron]

any chance your going fairly hard on mesh colliders?

[gloomy grove]

Doesn't work on interiors with low ceilings, including base facility in some areas

[granite lily]

Not harder than usual

[granite lily]

Bunker interior + turrets = bye bye health

[valid yoke]

conviction for me is the worst lag machine

[gloomy grove]

I haven't tried it

Any moon that costs more than 1000 credits I'm not interested in

At some point it's just difficulty for the sake of difficulty instead of fun

And when I have AdvancedCompany I'd rather spend my credits on useful equipment

[granite lily]

In my eyes, moons that cost like 1000+ are more like achievements

[primal dawn]

i added a mod in my modpack that makes them perminant unlocks! when you buy one in a run

[granite lily]

They just have to be worth it

[primal dawn]

i think that's a good alternative

also in LLL you can change the prices i think if you wanna experience the moon :3

[gloomy grove]

Meh, I think 1000 is a good cap personally

But that's a personal thing

I can change the prices in AdvancedCompany too, but then I have to rebalance power, scrap, etc accordingly

[primal dawn]

true

[gloomy grove]

Would rather just not use it personally

[primal dawn]

that's fair!

[proper rapids]

Heavily depends on the skill of the group you're playing with too

if theres constantly 2-3 people dying at the company building a 1000-credit moon is not an option lol (definitely not happening to me all the time)

[gloomy grove]

Mhm. I am incredibly mentally skilled with games and know the ins and outs of most Lethal Company mechanics (at least before mods), but I struggle hard in the execution department so I'd rather not have anything that makes me feel less spooked and more stressed

[abstract heron]

i'd be curious to see how a mod plays if you instead of buying a route for a day, it's price slowly builds back up over days

could vaguely tie it to the reasoning of fuel price or smth

[gloomy grove]

I've heard of an idea of moon sectors that keep moons in groups, making whatever group you're in free/cheaper

[abstract heron]

yeee

[gloomy grove]

Which would be cool af

[abstract heron]

moons are already in groups in lll

[gloomy grove]

IAmBatby-LethalSectors wen

[abstract heron]

data wise

[proper rapids]

just gonna drop this here for you @gloomy grove #1193461151636398080 message

[gloomy grove]

I.. why

I already use LLL and am constantly providing mod feedback

oh nvm

I see you linked to specific messages

Discord was weird and didn't take me to those at first

Just took me to the thread

and I was like

[granite lily]

#1200060289320755210 message
There is an idea post

[gloomy grove]

Fair

I am not a nearly competent enough coder to make these things happen

But exciting to see people on similar pages

Anyways, I need to sleep, I'm royally annoyed with Thunderstore rn and have no clue how to fix

[granite lily]

lol

[quick aurora]

Hey how can i set the prices of these moons?

would love to change the price on Asteroid13

[strange tapir]

Oh, I used Advanced Company Profile Preset thingy to manually set the price

to how it should be

[quick aurora]

Yeah, but going through and balancing everything is a slight pain. It would be easier if there was a config for it.

[strange tapir]

it is a bit of a pain, idk personally why the prices dont work, I think something in the level loaders is broken. But I think these are supposed to be the prices of the moons:
Etern 750
Gratar 430
Atlantica 130
Infernis 280
Acidir 580
Polarus 650

its not that bad, just when starting a game

I set them here

and save the profile

[quick aurora]

how would i get the moons on advance company?

[strange tapir]

just have them enabled, they will show up in this Preset menu to tinker with, you can even set price for the Asteroid 13 if you want to

there, I started my modded game

[quick aurora]

strange i don't have moons one mine

[strange tapir]

different menu, this one is client-side for cosmetics

start a new file

then it will pop-up

[quick aurora]

stramge i dont see all the moons im going to restart

[strange tapir]

nono, you need to start a new file

Select, Host

as if starting a new game

[quick aurora]

i did

[strange tapir]

then the menu with moons should pop-up

[quick aurora]

only moons i see

[strange tapir]

oooh

okay, maybe restart then yea

[quick aurora]

just did still dont see anything

welp

🤷‍♂️

guess ill just have to wait till there is a config

[strange tapir]

thats weird! huh

welp, idk why its not there wah

[quick aurora]

#1200060289320755210 message

[valid yoke]

im gonna try advanced company again and see if it works with my modpack

the hide equipment a new function?

just realized theres to many mods i have to disable to get it working...

[proper rapids]

thats a good thing, isnt it? Cleaning up your modpack

[valid yoke]

there all currently being used

[proper rapids]

what mods are we talking about in detail?

[valid yoke]

i have no idea but i know there are some incompatabiliys

[waxen panther]

Atlantica is such a cool looking moon

[floral remnant]

im pretty sure you need to log into the world and then they'll appear

thats how i do it atleast

open menu, moons selection, and if the custom moons aren't there i just log into the server, exit out and check again

[crude pumice]

My friends are telling me that when we play on Asteroid it's always foggy for them except for me (the host), this issue only happens on this moon is this still a weather desync?

[granite lily]

That's a new one

[crude pumice]

I can get a video later if it happens again, I haven't seen it but all 4 of the people I play with all said that they can barely see

[hoary rock]

masked jesus

[granite lily]

water gone

[hoary rock]

also having very heavy movement lag on second landing

aaaand its gone

nvm

seeing this on every entity

[waxen panther]

@granite lily does the water on atlantica raise through the day?

[granite lily]

Unless it's flooded weather, no

[waxen panther]

Oh okay okay someone said it did in a different channel and it got me confused

Would you be able to do it if you wanted to?

[granite lily]

I mean I could make the moon always have flooded weather

[waxen panther]

Because I know LE can be a bit limiting?

Yeahh that makes sense

Flooded isn’t super easy on atlantica tho, I keep slipping off the bridges lmao

[proper rapids]

is there an option to make it flodded weather but with water rising not as fast? a slower version of flooded in short

[granite lily]

Sort of

[proper rapids]

That'd be a cool option imo

[floral remnant]

sent this in the mirage thread but as i finished typing i realized this is more of a moon problem so i'm resending it here (not a big issue, thought it was pretty funny actually)

[floral remnant]

either that or always some type of rainy weather would be cool

[granite lily]

Yeah but people see bad weather and never visit the planet
Which is probably followed by "Is it supposed to never have clear weather?"

[proper rapids]

fair point

[waxen panther]

Very true

[floral remnant]

so true actually

[waxen panther]

Also I don’t want to annoy you, but have you ever managed to make moving objects on your moons? Or everything is stationary?

[granite lily]

Stalagmite on Infernis
Elevator, ice platforms, ice walls on Polarus
Falling bridge on Gratar
The entire city on Atlantica

So.. yeah

[waxen panther]

That’s amazing

I’ve been trying to figure out how to do that, but I’m still pretty inexperienced with unity

[willow plank]

im rooting for you binder 👀

[granite lily]

None of them are properly synced across clients though
There are only a few things I might get synced

[proper rapids]

atlantica + pool rooms is such a nice vibe

[waxen panther]

Is it intentional?

[round dome]

what will you get synced?

also about the falling bridge on gratar, would it be possible to automatically make the player go with it? if you don't walk forward near the end of it, then you fall off

[polar bobcat]

I want to have the interiors for moons be more personalized due to how many interiors there are but I’m so lazy because well there’s so many interiors lmao

[granite lily]

Well.. no I'd rather have everything be synced

[polar bobcat]

Office, dungeon, bunker, scp, mental hospital, sewer, pool rooms, scarlet mansion

[waxen panther]

Yeah that makes sense lmao

[round dome]

i'm split between atlantica having pool rooms or dungeon

[waxen panther]

Perhaps LLL could fix that?

[hoary rock]

gratar also for some reason has a main entrance node behind the entrance

[granite lily]

Yeah I know lol

I've already removed it locally

[waxen panther]

That’s of course if you intended on switching to LLL

[granite lily]

Eventually

[round dome]

gwuh?

[waxen panther]

Oh also are you stuck with the Christmas dropship like the other LE moons lmao

I didn’t notice

[granite lily]

Probably not things you wish would be synced
Maybe the platforms and the ice walls

[round dome]

what about the elevator and asteroid 13 lights and falling bridge? and the ice walls do things?

[granite lily]

They've updated the dropship to use the regular one in LE but not in LECore yet

[waxen panther]

Well.. I don’t think a lot of people don’t use LECore

Too bad

[granite lily]

Trust me, I've tried
And yeah, there's ice walls that close over time.. and crush people

[round dome]

well then, i hope a transition to LLL is soon

[granite lily]

Sometime after the next update

[forest ruin]

Wait what does the stalagmite do?

[granite lily]

You can push it over to create a bridge

[forest ruin]

You can

W

WHAT

[granite lily]

On the fire exit island

[round dome]

do the polarus ice walls act like the atlantica city (do stuff on a timer instead of when interacted with)? if so, wouldn't they theoretically be already synced?

[forest ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-emotional-damage-shocked-gif-24048955

Need to tell this to Masa's friend ASAP so they can stop screaming at Masa for how unfair the parkour is

[granite lily]

Technically yeah
There might be a slight delay between clients depending on load times

[cobalt zealot]

I thought it was for the isolated one? So you didn't need a ladder bridge?

[granite lily]

lol
It's not the parkour island, it's the other one with the big building

[round dome]

where are the ice walls? i have been at polarus for a while sometimes but never noticed the ice walls

[granite lily]

Also, that's just a skill issue lol

[cobalt zealot]

Atlantica's isn't >.>

[granite lily]

Behind the ship to the right facing away from the ship

[round dome]

ah 👍

i've only went that route once while it was foggy

speaking of, the fog from foggy doesn't cover the whole moon for some reason

[cobalt zealot]

It's probably intentional but if you grab anything from the dropship, good luck making it back

[granite lily]

yeah I know, can't really fix that

Same happens on asteroid-13

There's just a fog wall near one of the fire exits lol

[waxen panther]

WHAT

[tropic gorge]

That just happens with the fog in any moon that’s too big

The fog is just a gigantic volumetric

Like the ones that come from broken steam valves

[granite lily]

I put a scan node on it saying "Stalagmite" "Pushable"
Are people just not scanning anymore
What am I placing the scan nodes for lol

[waxen panther]

What the hell i really should scan more

[tropic gorge]

Yeah my friend was literally on the side with the stalagmite

[cobalt zealot]

Cuz you're outside. While the nodes are helpful people just aren't spamming RMB when they're outside and already know where Main is

[tropic gorge]

And he asked me how to get to the other side

And i literally told him to right click

And i’m sure he saw the node pop up right next to him

[granite lily]

Yeah but you'd expect at least one scan once a player has realised they just left a fire exit onto an island surrounded by a lava river

[waxen panther]

I didn’t know you could push stuff before 5 minutes ago so I never thought to do that

[quick aurora]

tried that sadly didnt work

[floral remnant]

huh... that's really weird then

[quick aurora]

Even stranger is that I can't do that, but I can set these.

I like how one of the moons says that no one makes it out of Asteroid 13, so I made that moon into a final boss. Enhanced scraps, but more masked and 096. I also created a Sigrud log for it, and the map is hidden.

[forest ruin]

That's what Masa's gonna do, but with more Coilheads instead, and Ghost Girls. Maybe a guaranteed Fiend spawn as well.

[quick aurora]

Fiend might be a good idea instead of 096. . . I also made it 50/50 to the mental hospital's interior & or default.

[quick aurora]

Maybe add the rolling giant too.

[round dome]

how did you create a sigurd log?

[forest ruin]

Ehh, dont have that mod. But you could!

[quick aurora]

it's not a real Sigurd, it's an item that I made. It only shows up on one moon. and using DetailedScan & LethalLevelLoader, I can make sure it only spawns on that map so I can check the info of that item if it has any. luckily, red folders do have info, so I changed the info for that item.

[granite lily]

Never occured to me that I could've used the terminal for my lore stuff

[quick aurora]

if anyone knows how to make a proper log that would be good.

[blissful light]

I think LLL either has or is working on that functionality

[quick aurora]

would be nice to add

[granite lily]

Eh this is more immersive anyway

[waxen panther]

I’m assuming most people would read what’s written on items they find on the floor rather than go out of their way to read the logs, but both are really cool

[waxen panther]

And this too

[quick aurora]

would be nice to make a real Sigurd log that you can find

[waxen panther]

True true

[blissful light]

Alternatively have the existing lore item trigger the addition of a sigurd log to the terminal

[quick aurora]

I have an idea for a moon - a city enclosed by a glass dome. It would be great if you could create a dungeon where creatures spawn outside from sewer grates and manhole covers. Furthermore, it would be cool if a dome part was broken due to a meteorite hit ages ago.

[quick aurora]

Oh that would be good. . . ill look into that.

[vague hawk]

2060's are not weak at all remotely.

[high stone]

Is Infernis usually spawning a giant at 12pm intentional?

[agile oak]

IKR!

[high stone]

I'm not complaining I suppose? It just feels like they are able to spot you too easily, meanwhile dogs have issues with pathfinding around stalagmites.
I like to think Infernis and Gratar are opposites:
Gratar is relatively safe outside and dangerous inside
While Infernis is kinda safe inside while dangerous outside (I don't count the decorational spiders)

[agile oak]

I’m going to try and change that through AC, giants spawning so early is a little crazy

I landed and a giant immediately aggroed onto me

[agile oak]

Giants have problems pathfinding on stalagmites as well

Giants are very very deadly creatures

[high stone]

Gratar and Infernis are great for my solo runs since they're easier than tier 3 moons, and I'm bad at the game. But sometimes the dog and giant AI is beyond unfair, which can be forgiven since their AI is balanced around the larger maps of vanilla

[native valve]

Gratar because of the pushable broken bridge, most unique fire exits and cool interior voice lines that can indicate when the enemies start ramping up

Also the outside is beautiful

[void basin]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1199474436303245373 Two actually

Though the separation is probably warranted as one of them would be physically 2d map based while the other one would be focused more on "routes"

[proper rapids]

Dog and Peeper walking on the air @Atlantica left to the ship (when looking to main door)

[willow plank]

mostly normal, since hes the only giant that roams around in a big circle

[gaunt tangle]

currently using mobile and cant figure out how to search the thread with it, but is there a post listing what exclusive scraps are on each of these moons? found a good number of em already, but i wanna know what else i can find

[native valve]

i don't think so

[gaunt tangle]

darn, but alright. thanks for checkin when i couldnt 🙂

[patent iris]

Really love these moons, Asteroid and Acidir are far and away favorites for our group and Atlantica is really memorable and cool too. I like Infernis a lot as well, though the group is a bit mixed -- mostly because they got scarred PTSD from earlier versions and really rough encounters with spider, dog and giant spawns outside. Crossing fingers that some more load performance gains can be made for Acidir and Polarus, we're always sweating that the group members with potato computers might crash out instead of load, especially for custom interiors like Scarlet on Acidir.

[agile oak]

what do you guys like most about those moons! :P

[patent iris]

Asteroid's atmosphere and aesthetic is probably some of the best in the game right now, it's instantly memorable, unique, spooky and oppressive as hell, etc. Great at making the group feel dread and wanting to get in and out as fast as possible.

Acidir we just really love the exterior of the mansion and the staging of the place and have had plenty of memorable instances of screwing up jumps and taking a deadly acid dip with an armload of valuable scrap 😩

Atlantica is hard not to love if you like Myst / Riven, if the interior water element can get syncing down between clients that'll be great -- but all of Wesley's moons in general, the little ways they influence the interiors + custom scrap pools etc. all go together for really excellent experiences.

[noble osprey]

Wish they could work with LLL

[void basin]

I think they do with the most recent version

They definitely work with LLL 1.0.7

[noble osprey]

Then I go back to this version

And I will try, because now is still broken

But the new versions of LE and LEC are fine, right

[rose bramble]

there shouldt be to many problems

[noble osprey]

Well, i tried to put like 6 maps and 6 dungeons from LLL and 15 more maps from LE and LEC

Doesn't do well

[rose bramble]

yea thats a lot, not all maps work

I only have like 3 or 4 LE moons, and like 4 LLL moons

[noble osprey]

i tried just LLL moons, no errors at all, after that only LE and LEC and some moons have big errors

I hope some day they fix it

[rose bramble]

same

check all ur LE moon mods

some of htem might say if there not compatible with LLL

like vulcan moon

[noble osprey]

yeee, why they don't just transfer to only one of them and that's it 😄

[agile oak]

Ladies and gentlemen i have invented a new way to split the LCModding community

[hot otter]

sublime

[agile oak]

i wish there was a way to share this template

[runic root]

missing a few moons but this is devious

[high stone]

i think defat has another moon?

[agile oak]

wesley is its own moon yes 😈

[runic root]

celest

also missing icebound from genericmoons

v1 and v2

[agile oak]

right!

[high stone]

also I love aquatis
It's probably tied with experimentation for loot but having to avoid 2+ large baboonhawks right from the start on a small map is actually a really good way to add more interactiveness instead of just crouch for dog or run for giant

LC probably just need more enemies in general is probably what it boils down to but how many more childrens games can be made into monsters?

[thorny narwhal]

you should try celestria its really good in my opinion because of the long ass walks (the moon is huge)

[runic root]

v3 and v4 hydro, ganimedes, kast, outpost, amtcompany, amplify, expertmoons, etc.

[thorny narwhal]

amplify is fire

[runic root]

its grown on me.

[agile oak]

oh expert moons! whats that!

[agile oak]

where should I put it!

[thorny narwhal]

good/nice (a lot of ppl might not enjoy the walks)

[agile oak]

is it flat much?

yknow what ill try it out anyway

:P

[thorny narwhal]

nope its hilly/mountanious

[patent iris]

definitely not flat, though pretty wide open

[thorny narwhal]

andsome flat parts

[patent iris]

that walk is a haul though

[thorny narwhal]

like near the main entrance

[patent iris]

I hadn't spotted fire exits yet

[thorny narwhal]

i have

follow the light blocks on the floor

they lead to the fire exits

one is on the right of the ship

very far

you have to scale a mountain

[agile oak]

would you say outpost is good for vanilla or more of a sightseeing thing for fans of the Thing?

[runic root]

kinda small pack by a newer modder, theres a page for it on here. cant link rn

[runic root]

its fun. dogs are wonky still and its been having some LLL growing pains but eh

[blissful light]

✨ 🌟 💫

[rose bramble]

what is the spawn chance stuff for asteriod 13?

[agile oak]

I actually have both your moons in perfect

[blissful light]

Aww thanks :D

[modest willow]

Your moons and wesleys moons are perfect

[blissful light]

mine are nowhere near complete lmao

[bitter yarrow]

my lad has been BUSY. Amazing spread, too.

[agile oak]

its pretty flat though right?

[agile oak]

damn expert moons adds 7 MOONS

[agile oak]

what

[thorny narwhal]

i use forest giant motion sense

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/TanmanG/Forest_Giant_Motionsense/

basically when they stop to look around u stop

aka kinda like red light green light

[high stone]

Redlight greenlight is supposed to be nutcrackers thing!!!!!

[thorny narwhal]

ig u could try fairer giant

[high stone]

Ur ruinig teh game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (jokimg)

[thorny narwhal]

lol

[high stone]

Honestly giants only being allowed to see motion would be like

so nice for vanilla

[thorny narwhal]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/LegoMaster3650/FairGiants/

[high stone]

like if they chase anything they deem "interesting" they should be swallowing mimics, not just players

ty

[thorny narwhal]

ye i thought giants only sensed motion but turns out they have 30/20 vision

[high stone]

yuuuuup

hiding behind things that are wider than u is the only way

[thorny narwhal]

yeah and thats super hard

because they just stick around

and one mistake is ur doom

cuz they are fast

and have infinite stamina

[native valve]

Why not just put them in the boxes? 😭

[blissful light]

Isn't the idea for people to put them in the boxes themselves?

Or am I misreading the template lmao

[native valve]

the way he spread em out and didn’t share like a link of how to do it made me think it was just for himself

[agile oak]

I want to make it shareable but I can’t find any good place to do soooo :(

[native valve]

as in like a link?

it should not probably be fine to share a link here (if you have one)

Cus i’d do it too

[agile oak]

yeah but i need to find a website/program that supports that kind of thing

Im currently using miro but its a little difficult to share copies of boards in it, um

[native valve]

tierlist?

[proper rapids]

Is there a way to reduce Polarus loading time? Playing solo it's kinda fine with only a couple of seconds but on multiplayer the loading time is taking legit 1-2 minutes

[agile oak]

anyone got suggestions?

[native valve]

https://tiermaker.com

[native valve]

had the same problem lol

[agile oak]

yeps or even just something that supports sharing/copying editable whiteboards

[native valve]

if LLL gets documentation Wesley might change it over which could probably fix that but I have a feeling (and I wouldn’t blame him) that he probably won’t since he’d need to port like 8 moons lol

[void basin]

Google sheets

[native valve]

(Btw this isn’t an “if” documenting is coming soon)

[agile oak]

this one requires images and doesn't support just text entries, Id do that but im not sure the images would make it clear which moon is which?

[agile oak]

fire :P yknow ill probably do that

[native valve]

just use like a text to image generator website and use the no cropping option for the images on tierlist

[proper rapids]

understandable too, it's just that polarus is a nice map itself but we have to avoid it while playing because it literally causes people to crash and we dont want to wait a year to land on a moon lol

[native valve]

Fair is fair

you’ll have to wait then ig

[agile oak]

got a link for one? Searching it up only leads to AI stuff

[native valve]

just search up like font generator

[void basin]

Just type into a Google doc, center align, and windows + shift + s to screenshot it

Or use pixlr

[agile oak]

lol :P

o my gosh

[granite lily]

Ah yes, I open this chat and the first thing I see
ATLANTICA

lol

[agile oak]

im trying to figure out how to make a modded moon tier list and am wondering what picture I should use for every moon

(or i could just do the names for now)

[granite lily]

Names might be better
I don't know half the modded moons that exist now

[agile oak]

@void basin @native valve so i should just do screenshots of the words si? Everyone fine with that for now? :P

[void basin]

Yeah

[native valve]

Yuh

[agile oak]

damn theyre all different sizes fsr

alr

https://tiermaker.com/create/lethal-company-modded-moons-16792879

does this work?

Could def be better but its midnight for me rn

absdhfbdsfh im missing a couple of moons

[granite lily]

lol
Polarus gon

[hoary rock]

@granite lily hello, can you please tell which maps have natural masked spawns? having a bit of an issue with mirage rn and trying to narrow it down

[granite lily]

Uh
Etern for sure, Acidir, asteroid-13 (for now)
Yeah I think that's it

[hoary rock]

Ty

[tidal ermine]

Hello, when I play on Etern I notice outside spawning enemies sometimes spawning underground, in the the ground or inside the mountain and they kinda just phase through it

[granite lily]

Uh what

[agile oak]

give em your log? :P

[agile oak]

Tomorrow morning I’ll try to make this in Jamboard instead

Cause it seems more visually appealing to me and I can share the default with people

[lyric fossil]

damn Atlas Abyss is loved in my group

taste really is different

[agile oak]

Yeah ig :P my main problem with it is its lack of pathways/different scenarios

So far ( tho I’ve only played solo) it’s ended up seeming a little direct

[gloomy grove]

Damn, I legitimately love both AA and Orion

[agile oak]

Im definitely gonna be changing my mind on a lot of these :P this is a first draft

[gloomy grove]

I'd make my own version, but in bed, and lazy

[agile oak]

I tried to place things in a way so that I could assure that if I changed it, it’s placement will only get better

[agile oak]

I’ll make a shareable template tomorrow :P don’t sweat it

[gloomy grove]

Fair lol

[agile oak]

1:45 midnight where I am

[native valve]

my tierlist!!!!

reminder to peeps that may see or do the tierlist that it is personal opinion 👍

[granite lily]

Call me biased but here's mine

(I haven't properly played modded in a good while, no clue what most other moons look/play like rn)

[tidal ermine]

Okay I will when I play the game

[native valve]

you're on the moon making grind i respect it

[granite lily]

That and I don't have many friends to play with atm lol

[abstract heron]

@granite lily huge favour next time your working on stuff if you don't mind

would love to know if polarus load times improve if you disable every meshcollider

think you can easily do t:MeshCollider in Hierarchy then ctrl+a to select all to easily do it

[granite lily]

I'll try that when I'm home

[abstract heron]

no rush on it but if its substanstial i could probablyyyy spend an hour or so making a addon to LE

[granite lily]

The load times definitely have something to do with the terrain being tagged with Snow

[abstract heron]

na

[granite lily]

Or whatever processes happen because of that

[abstract heron]

how much have you tested that theory

[native valve]

i tagged some catwalks rails with rails and the texture just didn't load lol, whats the rails tag for?

[granite lily]

It might not cause it directly but it's got something to do with it
I know removing the tag from the terrain makes it load instantly
But idk, you probably know more than me lol

[abstract heron]

thats

hm

I want to believe you but also from what i know about that it doesn't make sense haha

[native valve]

Lethal Expansion

[granite lily]

Only Acidir and Polarus have tagged terrain
That's why those are the only moons I've made with somewhat long load times
Could it have something to do with the way objects like dead trees or those giant rocks are placed on terrain?

[abstract heron]

do you have a mesh collider on the terrain

[granite lily]

I think so yeah

[abstract heron]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-bee-meme-goofy-ahh-bee-meme-sus-bee-meme-smirk-smirk-goofy-ahh-pictures-bee-sus-gif-27636585

[granite lily]

uh
sure

[native valve]

whats the optimal way to do colliders or whatever

i did mesh collider for mine as well, is there a better way to do it?

[abstract heron]

uhh

yes but not on your end

[native valve]

wha

[abstract heron]

in theory the upfront cost of mesh colliders is that they all initialize in a single frame (when its first loaded)

with lll your going to be be able to have them disabled right before you assetbundle build then let lll enable them async

[native valve]

oh right

great another reason to just bite the bullet and port it to LLL

i got geometry dash collabs i gotta do tho i'll do it on the weekend

thanks for the info as always batby

[lapis cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-in-the-hole-smile-face-smiley-geometry-dash-meme-gif-8109248625508917459

[frank seal]

there have been problems with LE+LECore and LE+LLL(when changing config for LE moons via LLL)

[noble osprey]

Bruh, Acidir is giving me 2 pages of red code when loading

Is it normal

[lapis cargo]

Go to thunderstore, settings, logs and paste that here

[stoic quiver]

is cosmocos out yet?

[valid yoke]

wondering the same thing

[tropic gorge]

No

[round dome]

not biased

[granite lily]

I'm surprised Polarus isn't in performance tankers lol

[round dome]

as long as it doesn't slag people's graphics card like acidir does then it's fine

[granite lily]

Going to Acidir:

https://imgur.com/jIatg5T

[silent bridge]

Acidir is only very down bad in performance for us when it generates with custom interior (or if it's Eclipsed... worst of all, if it's all combined lmao)

[granite lily]

You know what, last time I asked "which of my moons is your favourite?"
Now I'll ask which one of my moons is your least favourite and why?
(and is it something I can improve lol (cause I might be able to include it in next update))

[tropic gorge]

Honestlyni just don’t like Polarus for the load times

All the other planets (besides acidir kinda) load almost immedietly

Or at least have a reasonable load time

[native valve]

I don’t really like the acidir theme as much as the others tbh

the theming for most of them is sick and they have lore and shi but acidir feels like it’s just kinda there

[round dome]

acidir
50% of the reason why is the performance
the other 50% is that it's just kinda meh.

etern i dislike a bit less but it's also meh

[granite lily]

Etern is also very unbalanced enemy wise atm

[native valve]

Etern has like the best theming lore wise besides asteroid tho I can forgive it

[granite lily]

In public release at least

[dense tangle]

nah man acidir has the best atmosphere

and a mansion half sunken into the ground is cool 😛

[polar bobcat]

Least fav is prob etern

[native valve]

Ah hell nah cosmocos about to have 59 giants spawn outside it’s so over

[granite lily]

100 earth leviathans

[dense tangle]

inside and out

nom

[patent iris]

load hanging improvements for Polarus & Acidir would be very welcome, I think our group's on the verge of dropping Orion because of the hang when it generates but Polarus and Acidir are better moons than Orion

[void basin]

There's a one way parkour back to the ship that becomes two way with a ladder

[waxen panther]

Etern because there’s no secrets, no cool scenery, no cool thematics, it’s just a desert

It looks good and plays good tho, it’s just not my type

[fair zenith]

I think i also have to agree with etern but like. Just because its my least favourite doesnt make it bad in any capacity, every one of your moons top my favourites list

[waxen panther]

Exactly

[fair zenith]

I think etern is just very vanilla relative to some of the crazier stuff in the other maps

Its a very nice map for people looking for an extention to vanilla gameplay, i think

One of my friends who is very much a vanilla enjoyer said theyd consider modding to add a few new maps like etern to their game

As someone who uses 139 mods in my average solo gameplay though, it just doesnt stand out as much as, say, asteroid-13's power system or polarus's moving ice float parkour

[waxen panther]

yeah fr. 139 mods tho DAMN

I only have 57 I think and it feels overwhelming

[fair zenith]

Yeah LOL game barely even loads

Fun tho

[waxen panther]

I’m trying to keep my game as vanilla feeling as possible

[fair zenith]

I have custom configured brutal company, lethal escape, lethal progression, lategame upgrades, 32 maps with 7 custom interiors, some new enemies...

Personal favourite used to be infernis, but asteroid-13 is definitely testing that

And thats out of all my maps, not just wesley's haha

[waxen panther]

I don’t have Brutal, Lethal Escape or Lategame hahaha

I have lethal things and Advanced company tho

[waxen panther]

That’s very true

[fair zenith]

Absolutely adore the atmosphere of asteroid-13, i play with true darkness (part of diversity) so that dark moon is DARK

I came out the facility and the lights had turned off and i could see NOTHING

[waxen panther]

Oh I’ve disabled that setting in diversity because my friends and I are super aggressive and we rarely have flashlights

[fair zenith]

And with lethal escape, the atmospheric coil noises absolutely could have been real coils, i dont get freaked out easily by games but that had me freaked

[granite lily]

No secrets? No thematics?
Are we talking about the same Etern lol

[blissful light]

Um actually, Etern is really Area 51, so that's a pretty big theme 🤓
/s

[waxen panther]

lmfaooooo

[fair zenith]

I do love the rock hiding spots on etern

[granite lily]

LOL
Confirmed by gamerant

[waxen panther]

Didn’t mean to offend you brother, i may just not have understood what it was

[fair zenith]

Brutal + escape often nullifies outdoor spawns but one time i went to eclipsed etern thanks to self imposed run rules and GOD im glad about those rocks

Probably the only map where ive liked giants spawning

[granite lily]

lol it's fine

[fair zenith]

You made the fun killers fun, wesley. Youre a fuckin wizard

[waxen panther]

You know what, I’ll give it my full for like 2 quotas and come back with a more accurate review

[fair zenith]

Because of my horrendous mod pack, i cant tell when things spawning outside is intentional, i know infernis spiders are intentional and etern nutcrackers are intentional. Any plans for coils outside on asteroid-13? Do they already and i just havent realised?

[granite lily]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaybe

[fair zenith]

Coils outside when the lights suddenly go out is gonna be so fucked its gonna be amazing

[void basin]

[granite lily]

Trust me it is

And I am not removing the footsteps in the dark

[fair zenith]

Fuck. Yes.

[void basin]

Wait, do they do that? I've only ever seen them turn off when leaving

[fair zenith]

Yeah they turn off at random too LOL

[void basin]

That's awesome

[fair zenith]

Two of my three visits so far theyve stayed on all dsy

[waxen panther]

That’s heart attack worthy

[granite lily]

It's a 9% chance when leaving the facility

[fair zenith]

One visit, they would NOT stay on, they switched off 3 times LOL

My luck was so bad 😭

Only 9%, damnnn

[agile oak]

Jesus 32 maps????

[fair zenith]

I guess thatd be a lot more notable with 4 people running in and out

Yeah

[waxen panther]

The lights are not synced across clients right?

[fair zenith]

Heheh. Heh. Wesley. You should make a map for every indoor mob where they spawn outside

[agile oak]

Do you have a list? I’ll add em to the tier list

[fair zenith]

Wait but now ive had a cool ass idea for a moon where you land at the mouth of a cave and you have to go through the whole cave to get into the facility and snare fleas can spawn outside too

[waxen panther]

I am doing that lol

[fair zenith]

Itd be messed up as hell but like. Hmm 👀

[waxen panther]

That’s like exactly what my moon is

[void basin]

Caves are a huge pain to make in maps as far as I know

[void basin]

H ow

[waxen panther]

I have found a little workaround that I’m trying

But I can’t promise anything

[void basin]

If you get it working please lemme know

And possibly Msrkiplier (generic moons maker)

[waxen panther]

Yee msrk gave me the idea for caves

[void basin]

Oh nice lol

[waxen panther]

I just need motivation to work on my moon more than 10 minutes at a time

[marble plank]

2060 maxq laptop is. It's barely any better than a 1060 and by modern game standards, that's barely enough

[agile oak]

ok this is weird I can't edit the template anymore

[round dome]

yeah tiermaker kinda sucks

[agile oak]

yea it really does lmao

Ok as i was sayin im gonna try making a template in something like jamboard

[coral stone]

I adore Infernis, literally my favorite moon among all that I have seen in general, the atmosphere + mapping + features + music, everything is gorgeous!
I also found Asteroid-13 really interesting and unique, I really like it!

By the way, do you take applications or anything like that? I just think some of the concepts from the Outer Wilds game could be played by huge inspiration for very interesting gameplay features for new moons

[forest ruin]

WESLEY, Masa has a suggestion for Asteroid-13 :D :D :D

Not sure if this already happens or not, but Masa assumes it happened because we left the area, rather than because of a certain time but..

What if ||The generator shuts off in Asteroid-13 when it becomes night time||

Call Masa evil with this idea but we gotta cook even the spicy ingredients 😩

[crude pumice]

The lights usually turn off by the time I leave the facility 😭 Can never find my way back without a flash light not sure if it's intentional that they turn off

[forest ruin]

Oh does that actually happen?

...Did Masa really just coincidentally leave right when it was about to do its thing?

[coral stone]

I don't know if this has been done now, but it would be cool if ||getting the apparatus would turn off the light on the moon||

[forest ruin]

Diabolical.

Masa likes it 😩

[crude pumice]

I always turn on the lights but usually by night they turn off not sure why 💀but it'd be diabolically funny if the lights couldn't be turned back on

The moon is even scarier if you have shy guy installed, he's terrifying to stumble upon outside

[forest ruin]

Generator malfunction :D

Tbh, with SLAI fixing AI outside, Masa really hopes that Asteroid-13 will have coilheads outside during night

If they are supposed to spawn already outside at nighttime btw, Masa did notice that nothing spawned from 6 to 8PM. (Friend left at 8PM)

[blissful light]

I'm gonna enjoy seeing clips when people start utilizing my mod with their outside enemy spawn list

[granite lily]

:)

[crude pumice]

Wesley the coil head footstep ambience you put in the moon is so evil

[forest ruin]

(:

[crude pumice]

I'm running lethal resonance so I know they sound different but the instinct of hearing those steps 😭🙏

[granite lily]

Lol yeah
I'm keeping them even when real coilheads start roaming on the surface next update

[vague hawk]

I've already started spawning Shockdrones etc outside to create more immsersive life outside 😄

and alike Wesley already gonna do, I spawned coilheads on Asteroid :3

[blissful light]

Sick, if you get any cool/funny clips, be sure to share!

[vague hawk]

When I get some will doo! The Shockdrones really useful for the peepers tooo! 😄

[crude pumice]

I'm gonna cry 😭 will they enter the ship?

[vague hawk]

Yes 🙂

[crude pumice]

WUH

[blissful light]

My testing so far has not shown coilheads entering the ship actually

[vague hawk]

Let me scare them :<

Fiend can enter ship though! 😄

[blissful light]

Sorry, can't let you spread misinformation 🤭

I think their AI lacks the navmesh capability to access ladders

Which is not something I would be changing

at least not in this mod

[vague hawk]

Yeah soon as you're on anything elvated they dance around 😛

[blissful light]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-girl-sliding-into-your-d-ms-like-sliding-into-d-ms-into-your-d-ms-like-roller-skate-gif-5454418

[granite lily]

I mean, they don't have arms lol

[vague hawk]

EXACTLY this xD

[blissful light]

True!

[vague hawk]

Climb the ladder with their mouths 😄

[blissful light]

As hilarious as it is, I'm gonna look at fixing this btw since technically it's a bug

[agile oak]

https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVNs8AwRk=/?share_link_id=593529001853

template ok?

[vague hawk]

Yeah would be a nice fix tbh, I wonder how this will affect their interactions as well within interiors if you to be on like edges/props etc they gonna come and get ya 😄

Prop cheese will be no more! 😄

[agile oak]

to copy it go to three bars in top left, 'board', and 'make a copy'

[blissful light]

I'm talking about fixing the sliding around issue, not their pathing capabilities. I think what happens is that when the behavior switches back to search it just forgets to reset the animator

Or do they slide around while inside if you jump on a railing/other environmental object?

[vague hawk]

I mean in theory we technically not supposed to see them sliding because we only see them when they attack, I imagine that's probs the reason why it got overlocked 😛

[vague hawk]

Yeah if you're off the floor high enough, they ignore you and stuff

Only on custom moons I've noticed though and /company

[crude pumice]

This scares me at the new idea of a coil head leaping at you, I mean they're war machines they have to be able to do something

[blissful light]

But do they slide or resume walking? Bc I think if you see them through a closed door window in the factory they won't know you're looking at them and they'll keep walking

Just trying to figure out if the slide is a base-game problem lol

[vague hawk]

Yeah they'll just start sliding/walking about, I tried it in vanilla interiors but doesn't seem to happen.

It's base-game I think, it's just something that probally got overlooked

to a degree anyway because they don't seem to do it when you're on bookshelves in mansion interior

[soft zephyr]

if you were to get astolfo bean mod, you can go to asteroid

[crude pumice]

He's a god

Is it fixed?

Might have to reinstall atlas abyss then

[cobalt zealot]

Nothings been changed from either from what I can tell. I'm just somehow able to route to both moons 🤷‍♂️

[thorny narwhal]

dawg my friend had the weirdest exprience ive heard

maybe it was insanityremastered idk

he told me he saw a black figure with nothing waist down (we play with insanity remastered)

and it ran to the other room and disappeared

he said it didn't look like a player

idk

[blissful light]

That's bc they can technically get up there :3c

[vague hawk]

THey can and it's actually terrifying when they get to you xD Especially the first time when you think they can't get to you. xD

[blissful light]

Yee, but that's why their animation doesn't break when you're there, bc they can still find a path to you so they don't give up the search

[vague hawk]

I wonder if zeek gave them the pathing specifically so they don't jackson around

[blissful light]

But those are all "jump" navmesh links, vs the "climb" that they would need for a ladder. So I'll still look into it and maybe add another patch to the fix just to reset the animation states upon losing all targets

[vague hawk]

Would this be something that all moon makers would need to add in or can be something you could lay on top with a mod? I've seen mods add in ladders on certain positions etc, so maybe something similar can be done with the navmesh?

[tranquil snow]

Feel like I should mention the atlantica moon does prevent me from landing on the atlas abyss moon due to their names having similarities

Sorry for interrupting I just want to let this be known for the mod dev

[soft zephyr]

yea i don't know why it doesn't do the full name

it always sees the first 3

[blissful light]

As a moon maker you can add off mesh links wherever you want, really. Not my problem at that point tho 🤭

As far as adding them on top like you're saying, I honestly don't know. It'd be finicky if we end up being able to move the ships landing position manually, bc then the addition of links into the ship would have to be moon-specific due to location differences (or you'd see enemies doing funky stuff midair)

[soft zephyr]

oh and there is one problem with asteroid i seen, the light system seems to be client sided instead of server

[vague hawk]

Ah thanks for info, I thought this would be the case - unless makers were to provide you the positions you'd need I don't think there would be any other clean way to do it unless there's a way to grab ladder positions on the fly somehow?

[vague hawk]

Yeah all interactables atm on the moons are client-sided, hopefully Wesley figures it out 😄 Gratar platform push is fun, watch a friend just hoover across the map 😄

[soft zephyr]

yea

[blissful light]

At that point it might be simpler to just enable additional link traversal capabilities on the enemies tbh

[vague hawk]

Jesters not knowing any limitations will induce fear among the bravest souls xD

[blissful light]

Well uh... they don't

[vague hawk]

I am curios about The Fiend though, I think ShyGuy too also can climb the ladders without funk.

[vague hawk]

o.o

[north flax]

I dunno about you but asteroid 13 keeps crashing for me

[waxen panther]

It was fine for me today

[gloomy grove]

Your tierlist was missing Celest by sfDesat btw

Might be worth adding even if its to the Haven't tried

[gloomy grove]

Jesters do not care about your silly ship

[void basin]

"kastra"?

we have celest and celestria, kast and kastra

Could've sworn there was another

[gloomy grove]

@wesley since you were asking about feedback!
I don't like Etern for personal reasons, Nutcrackers on a desert planet feel off. I need a Nutcracker reskin mod of some sort (like a Toy Soldier Nutcracker) and then I'll like Etern more, but for now they just feel a tad out of place. That said, I also feel Etern's ambience is a little oppressive and could be toned back a notch.
Atlantica is in a similar boat, I don't really like the flooded gimmick on many modded interiors and therefore I don't want it since it'd just be another Facility planet with a Flooded interior. It's cool, but doesn't mesh well in my pack.
Polarus I haven't tried yet because, another ice planet in the Rend/Dine/Titan difficulty spot? No thanks.
Gratar being the highest of ones I don't like as much as I could, which is because A. the ambience is a bit overwhelming at times, and B. the clipping through the moving platform bug kinda ruins that gimmick for me

[void basin]

Here's my tierlist

[gloomy grove]

Seeing Orion in meh makes me sad

[void basin]

:(

to me orion is just like

it could be much better

[runic root]

felt. orion is cool for what it is, been watching it since it was first posted, but man.

[gloomy grove]

To be completely fair, I probably rank Orion a lot higher because of how early it came out and was one of the first really high quality moons I saw

There are some that overshadow it now

[void basin]

thats fair

Maritopia's map is too small for good gameplay imo but the way it executes the abandoned skyscraper concept is really good

[gloomy grove]

But I respect the work that went into it in the early ways

[void basin]

yeah, given how old it is its impressive how its held up

[gloomy grove]

Yeah Maritopia needs work but I can see the concept so it goes in Good

[void basin]

Right

[runic root]

its the one urban enviroment thats done well

[void basin]

Yeah

[runic root]

ether is too cartoony

[void basin]

Crypt is too low poly

NukeTown has real people??

Budapest is performance hit + having no options for pathing

[gloomy grove]

Also, nobody has Pizzeria on their tierlist, how dare

Tbf Pizzeria isn't that great but damn is it funny

[runic root]

i havent tried it yet but as a fnaf fan i appreciate it lol

[void basin]

I think its more than good enough for a meme moon

[gloomy grove]

Agreed

[void basin]

when I landed I was shocked by the decoration

[gloomy grove]

It's a meme moon with a good amount of work and love

[void basin]

yeah

[runic root]

which is rare

[gloomy grove]

Definitely

I'm considering making a moon myself

Called 130 Gorgonzola
The gimmick? It's made entirely out of 3d models of cheese

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-eating-cheese-rat-remy-cheese-gif-19543676

[gloomy grove]

What is this from lmao

[void basin]

i have no idea

[gloomy grove]

It's perfect

I need it

[void basin]

i googled cheese moon

[gloomy grove]

I need to steal it

[void basin]

https://era.org.uk/streaming-service-resource/hey-you-what-if-the-moon-was-made-of-cheese-cbbc/

you need an account

to watch

[gloomy grove]

Eh its BBC anyways so I can't have the 3d models I'm sure

But that's exactly what I want

Cheese moon

[void basin]

fire exit path up through the holes in a mountain

[native valve]

Lol

that’s what I was going for thank god

[gloomy grove]

And as we said: it's a good moon

it's not a great moon

But it's a good one

[native valve]

also I feel like devastation doesn’t get as much love as it should cus it’s a simple theme done pretty well

Idk the map is just formatted well imoooo

and the balancing is on point

[languid pulsar]

I've only tried Pizzeria Asteroid-13 and Atlantica

I love Asteroid

[blissful light]

You're welcome 🧀

[languid pulsar]

Also tried Polarus but the elevator won't let me back up so that's an issue lol

[gloomy grove]

I don't dislike Devastation, I just don't like it as much as Kast or Orion for lategame moons

Kast is small but gets very intense real fast

[native valve]

i agree kast and orion look better def

[gloomy grove]

Especially since I added a low chance for Coilheads outside

[void basin]

You should try GenericMoons and StarlancerMoons

they're both really high quality with a lot of fun gameplay rather than just "walk to the entrance and back"

[gloomy grove]

Agreed

And Generic is getting a really cool new moon

I have playtested it

It is fire

[languid pulsar]

GenericMoons is on my list to test

I don't think I put StarlancerMoons there yet

Lemmie fix that

[gloomy grove]

Generic are all moons that feel very vanilla

They have their own gimmicks and whatnot to still spice up gameplay

But stylistically they're in line with base game

[void basin]

Yeah, Generic Moons are probably the best moons currently out for feeling like theyre straight out of the base game

[languid pulsar]

Ooo

My issue is convincing my friends to try new mods hehe

Since they don't like having to install so often

[gloomy grove]

Get new friends

Jkjk

[native valve]

Lol this is just lethal company in a nutshell

[languid pulsar]

Haha

[void basin]

Yeah lol

I meant to say like

some moons theres nowhere else to go

no obstacles or mini routes between the building

[native valve]

That’s why custom moons are so needed rn, people are getting tired or walking to the entrance and back

[void basin]

right

[native valve]

Pizzeria is guilty tho I’m not even gonna lie

Might update it

[gloomy grove]

Also, on Generic's new moon, if you ||go in the fire exit, expect a Hoarding Bug to steal your ladder when you come back out||

[native valve]

Lol

[blissful light]

Foggy Triskelion is terrifying

[void basin]

Yeah, I've been once and it was awful (in a good way)

I really want a mod that in some way forces players to deal with weather occasionally

WeatherTweaks is a step in the right direction but its still kind of easy for people to just avoid moons

This mod has an event where you'll occasionally be randomly routed to a moon with no knowledge of which or what weather it has, which also seems cool

[languid pulsar]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/MatthiewPurple/UnreliableWeatherReports/

I had this in my list but I'm pretty sure whether tweaks does the same

[void basin]

Yeah

weatherTweaks also rebalances weather chances

[languid pulsar]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Horsey4/MultipleWeatherEffects/

[void basin]

to make it so certain weathers flow into others

[languid pulsar]

Multiple weather is fun but I think is incompatible with lethal expansion moons

[void basin]

like if it's stormy a flood may follow

[void basin]

You sure? it's worked for me

[languid pulsar]

There we go lol

[languid pulsar]

Second link not first

[void basin]

ohhh i see

[languid pulsar]

Weather tweaks could probably use that "interferences" that make all moon weather unknown

So it could force you to go somewhere you don't actually want to

[charred hornet]

Wesley do you know the moon ids?

the number? Is it just taken from the one in the name?

[crude pumice]

Alright can confirm that the Atlas Abyss and Atlantica keyword bug is fixed

[tropic gorge]

does that allow images?

[vague hawk]

Really cool mod, I love it but it causes desync. I think they're still looking into the issue

[agile oak]

Yep! Should I add some in?

(Like, a picture from each mod?)

I probably need the same format for each image

[agile oak]

Does it work btw! Someone should test it

[tropic gorge]

yeah sure

and dw

i gotchu

I made images for each of Wesley's moons for the tier list

most likely i'm gonna have each moon a different color/name depending on what moon it is, with a different moon image depending on who made it

[frank seal]

you should check out Budapest and Kast (kast is my personal fav)

[round dome]

oh wait i've been to kast i forgot

Ok for that

[frank seal]

budapest cuz i believe it'll quickly go in performance taker

[agile oak]

THANKS!!!! YAY

its slowly getting prettier :)

With images like these I COULD make a better tier list on tierlistmaker... I would need a square image for each moon though and that seems like too much

And tierlistmaker isn't really pretty anyways

[tropic gorge]

wow that's small

i expected them to be MUCH larger

[agile oak]

i honestly agree lol, this might be better?

nah it could still be better

well

ok there are a LOT of moons

just added budapest so 26 right now, and if we want to rate each ExpertMoon and AMTCompany moon separately thats 35

if someone thinks they should still be bigger let me know!

[gloomy grove]

Still no Celest from sfDesat added? And honestly I would add a "Meh" field like I did with mine

Also, having pictures for ONLY Wesley's moons feels like playing favorites

😝

Secret Labs should be on there too imo but its basically just a reference moon so its kinda opinion

If you like Containment Breach, you'll probably like Secret Labs

Having a Meh field effectively makes the tierlist a 1-5 star rating, then Haven't tried and Performance tank

Which are arguably separate categories

https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVNsADuIQ=/

I'd argue Ooblterra should also be on there, but its really more of an expansion than just a moon

So it's kinda an odd comparison

[runic root]

i think oobl belongs but im also super biased. oobl is peak mod moon imo

[agile oak]

oh you need to set ur board to public!

[native valve]

can you add pizzeria

[agile oak]

cant see it

[gloomy grove]

Oop

[agile oak]

dammit. I thought i already had it but thats celestria

[vague hawk]

New Rule: to be on tier list you gotta be LLL xD

https://tenor.com/view/cat-panic-anxiety-scared-cats-gif-27482371

[native valve]

7 moons total

[agile oak]

hehe mybe :P LethalExpansionCore works fine for me tbh

[agile oak]

7 LLL moons!?

[gloomy grove]

My bad, how do set to public

[native valve]

it was sarcasm, right now theres not many LLL moons in comparison to LE moons

[gloomy grove]

There's really not many LLL moons atm due to lack of documentation

mhm

[agile oak]

mmm trying not to add memey ones, if its spooky/immersive though i could put it

[native valve]

there still probably is close to like 7 anyways tho lol

[gloomy grove]

https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVNsADuIQ=/?share_link_id=17235779986

That should be viewable now

[agile oak]

click on share in the right corner and change the setting to public :P

[native valve]

aint it like one sharable thing tho

people would have to like make a copy of it or sumn

can you do that?

[gloomy grove]

Yeah one I just sent should be publicly viewable

[agile oak]

ok this is good to know :P

atlas abyss and orion in perfect!!

woah :P

what do you like most about em?

[gloomy grove]

I'm not answering Orion again cuz I'm pretty sure I've told you three or four times, no offense

[agile oak]

lol this is true :P i only have images for those ones! credit to pedro!

[native valve]

dementia

[agile oak]

IK XD

[void basin]

OFFENSE MENTIONED ‼️

[native valve]

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOOD LOOT 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🤑🤑🤑😭😭

[agile oak]

LOL

[gloomy grove]

Atlas Abyss may be linear but its the best map hands down for Masked theming. As someone who actively doesn't like Masked too much due to how oppressive they can be and how punishing they are if you make a mistake, Atlas Abyss is my one exception because they feel like they belong because of the map's design. Combine that with being an excellent conduit for Scoopy's dungeon interior, and it all just fits together so nicely as an experience that Atlas Abyss is genuinely one of my favorites, though I think it is appropriate that its at the bottom of the Perfect bracket.

[native valve]

i feel as if the only thing going for it personally would be the theming tho

it is very cool

besides that i'm not much of a fan of the layout and gameplay

[gloomy grove]

They also recently added a parkour path to get back from the fire exit if the bridge is blocked by a dog or whatever

[native valve]

oh cool i need to try that out

[gloomy grove]

So you can choose what danger you take on

[native valve]

might change my mind

[agile oak]

just like a summary from what i remember (cause I cant search up 'nothin on threads :( ), you like the coloring, the cover and the ruined skyscrapers :P

Have you ever had any like cool gameplay moments there?

I really like pretty moons too

[void basin]

Oh, that was recent?

I only noticed that recently

its basically one-way, from the furthest door back to the ship

but with a ladder you can 2 way it

[vague hawk]

I really love Atlas, nice and simple 🙂

[void basin]

The dogs are a little oppressive with how narrow the bridge is

[gloomy grove]

I do think Atlas Abyss could benefit from some sort of alternate path for the main entrance, like a rocky path maybe that you could squeeze through by interacting or something, but two-handed scrap can't fit. So if you wanna get your scrap back, you gotta figure out how to get past the doggers

[native valve]

some wesley moon type shit

that would bump the moon up for a perfect for me

like a crumbling wall