Weather Registry / Weather Tweaks / mrov

[gray kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885835393184976906/1343267365345038436/1x.webp

[abstract pivot]

i've literally never believed you in my life

[drowsy willow]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-boc-bwa-meme-anime-gif-17729031268930401206

[queen shadow]

imagine critical bepinex update that wasnt backwards compatible or something

[drowsy willow]

😳

[queen shadow]

Tbf though with semantic versioning, breaking changes shouldnt happen anyways on minor versions

[drowsy willow]

true

although how many people actually adhere to semantic versioning 🥺

[queen shadow]

Ive noticed a lot of folks seem to not

Im not a great example either with immersive ship sfx, next update will change dependencies but its still not a "major/release" worthy state

so i cant really go from 0.3.1 to 1.0 with that lol

[drowsy willow]

i sometimes do crazy stuff between "patch" versions because i don't care hehe

[queen shadow]

Kinda wish TS supported extended semver, and not just static X.Y.Z

so i could do suffixes...

[drowsy willow]

-beta

-balls

[queen shadow]

exactly

so true

-notbrokenanymoreithink

[drowsy willow]

-fixed
-reallyfixed
-fixed-2

[queen shadow]

-notanupdatelmao

update commits:

add new text file
revert "add new text file"
update version number

[abstract pivot]

i try my best, but i dont make API's typically

[drowsy willow]

revert commits are the best ones

🤭

[queen shadow]

Agreed

they're up there with commits like "oops" and "its 3am and i didnt test this before push to prod, good luck"

[drowsy willow]

commit messages are the best way to let the bubbling feelings out of your system lol

[drowsy willow]

oh dear

[queen shadow]

the best github repo known to exist

[queen shadow]

amazing

[drowsy willow]

oh lord

[drowsy willow]

i have plenty of those

[latent sleet]

not true

[queen shadow]

i dont have much to show with LC sadly other than

[latent sleet]

it works with normal + custom weathers but not with ones from tweaks

[queen shadow]

also yeah the "normal" weathers, including modded ones, do show up in imperium

even some of the tweaks combo ones do work, they just render improperly in the menu. Seems inconsistent though.

[drowsy willow]

😳 there is no way

[abstract pivot]

damn, turns out mrov IS the problem

like always

[latent sleet]

i mean if you meant the map screen

[drowsy willow]

the moon control UI panel

[queen shadow]

Yeah in there

[drowsy willow]

the "current weather" dropdowns

are not updating after picking weathers

unless i'm stupid

[queen shadow]

I noticed it sometimes doesnt work when on-surface mainly with combo weathers, but it def. works in orbit

[latent sleet]

i think it works

[drowsy willow]

i'll check it right now

[queen shadow]

the only one iirc that didnt work properly was blackout

lighting was all kinds of messed up last time i tried (but that was a month ago, chance it might have been fixed since by you)

[drowsy willow]

what do you mean on surface 😳

like changing weather when landed?

[queen shadow]

Like, when you're landed

yeah

[drowsy willow]

oh dear

i have no idea how it's handled

registry has things to sync it and whatnot

[queen shadow]

I never tried changing weathers in MP as i disable imperium when we play seriously - i only use it in singleplayer to mess around or when im practicing cruiser jumps n whatnot

what i can say is, for majority of the weathers it does work, theres just some weird edge cases where it seemingly doesnt

[drowsy willow]

first day (right after making a save)

second day (after weathers were rerolled)

[queen shadow]

Oh yeah the UI doesnt update i think, but if you select a different weather it will apply for that given moon

[drowsy willow]

i am not tweaking

[drowsy willow]

oh, absolutely

[queen shadow]

Ive grown used to it being "just imperium things"

same with the notification configs randomly not working, or the cruiser purchase being busted. Even more reason not to use it for actual sessions.

consequences of debug powers i guess

[drowsy willow]

true

i need new mod ideas

[lapis fractal]

weather 6

weather 7

whatever that one that was accidnetly added by zeekers ahah

It could be a combination of all weathers. modded included

[drowsy willow]

NO

GOD NO

[lapis fractal]

HAHA,

[drowsy willow]

I̴T̵ ̴H̴A̷S̷ ̸T̵O̶ ̴B̷E̸ ̵C̶O̵N̶T̴A̸I̴N̶ED

W̶̓̂Ě̷͠ ̵̬̆M̶̆͝Û̸͐S̵̀́T̸͗ RESIST

[lapis fractal]

It wouldn't have to be a combination, just could be a unique type of weather that is glitchy and otherwordly

[drowsy willow]

N̴͉̈Ö̴́̔Ô̴͋Ō̶̝O̸̒͂Ö̵́̒O̷̅OOOOOOOOO

[gray kayak]

7

2fps

[queen shadow]

as in a new mod entirely, or weather? lol

i had some ideas for more mrov weathers so like, hmu if you want any lol

[ebon current]

I didn't get a code or log from them, but they're on a fresh install of the Easyidle's Enhanced Party Edition Addon modpack

[sage thorn]

yeah I was having an issue like that in a recent session as well, unsure if that's weather registry related or not tho , but would make sense

I've had uncertain weathers disabled the whole time I've been using mrov, so if it is indeed a weathertweaks issue I dont think uncertain weathers is the cause

[hollow yoke]

its training people to learn eclipsed doesnt mean its unplayable, clearly mrov is just a genius subliminal messenger

[sage thorn]

might've had the opposite effect in my session when 3 people got instant killed by giants lol

[hollow yoke]

erm, skill issue

[drowsy willow]

oh lord

does any of you have a log from those sessions?

[winter silo]

Sorry for the delay, it is a a busy afternoon for me. As the Dusted Mod shows, moons can have their defined vanilla weather lists be modified, so I am surprised this mod does not do a similar thing when its whole idea is letting people customize weathers.

I hope I am not coming off as confrontational, I just like to ask about things I do not know

I use and like this mod already, this just seems like a cool next step

[drowsy willow]

it's possible, it's just not gonna be an option in base Registry

[harsh flicker]

I talked with mrov about it when he helped me with Dusted
The thing is, forcing weather onto moons goes against the wishes of the moon authors
Its why i am conflicted about making a weather injector config mod

[sage thorn]

here's a clientside log for ya covering 3 days (apologies for weird formatting). the first day was actually eclipsed, but the next two weren't, though still appeared to be as shown in this screenshot from the run (and demonstrated by the immediate enemy spawns). couldn't find anything obviously going wrong with weather registry tho, it seemed to be correctly determining that the weather was not eclipsed. we also switched moons after that first eclipsed day, if that might be impacting anything

only slight oddity I could find was the eclipse sun animator being referenced on both of the non-eclipsed days

[winter silo]

Fair enough

[winter silo]

I would be fine with just injecting the vanilla moons. I personally think modifying other peoples’ moons is fine because it is in the spirit of it all (other mods are no different than vanilla), but I can respect your perspective. I think about how Diversity and FacilityMeltdown has a bunch of mods changing their properties

[harsh flicker]

Vanilla sure yeah
Modded moons is just more of a pain
Weathers are slightly different to scrap and (most) enemies imo for this though
Moons/interiors should be designed to naturally support standard scraps/enemies that are put on them. Balance is questionable but generally they should work fine if the scrap/enemy is coded fine
For weather though... there could be a lot more issues because it isnt tested
Chances are if the vanilla weather was gonna work fine on the moon they probably would have included it already-
Them purposefully not including it probably means theres gonna be issues with the weather included on that moon (I am looking at you Flooded)

Then the knock-on effect of that is people sending bug reports and whining to moon authors about Weather not working that they never intended to have there

[winter silo]

I can only speak for myself, but I accept responsibility for playing with moon’s properties. If stuff breaks because I pushed them beyond their intended boundaries it is on me, but I would like the option to experiment. I get what you mean though

[harsh flicker]

I agree
Thing is though that alot of people that play modded....dont actually touch much configs or understand how stuff is setup in a pack?
They just play a pack their friend or someone else made and dont bother to check all the stuff out
Because of this, they may then wrongly assume a moon is poorly designed or setup cuz of some goofy weather someone put on it that broke it or messed it up
At least with adding enemies/scraps/traps most people know its down to the modpack maker more

but weather? nah they'd proly assume its the moon dev fault for "allowing" it when they didnt lol

and then maybe consider not using the moon in their own pack / recommending it as a result

Byeah i might do a thing for adding vanilla weather to vanilla moons tho
Flooded Titan 💥

[winter silo]

I will settle for that

[nocturne lily]

getting a weather that's disabled on a moon rn

[drowsy willow]

oh what the fuck?

[queen shadow]

Reasonable reaction

[drowsy willow]

ahhahaha it's not actually used anywhere

FUCK

[winter silo]

So eclipsed weather is just broken rn?

[drowsy willow]

what

no

[drowsy willow]

both combined and progressing types have a check for being disabled

i literally don't know what the fuck happened lol

[drowsy willow]

could you send me your modpack code?

[keen palm]

I could be wrong but when trying to route to a moon with unknown or uncertain weather it will display the real weather in the little confirmation pop up.

I haven’t played a proper save with weather tweaks in a week since I’ve been busy with something else so it might’ve been fixed.

Or maybe I’m a little stupid and it’s something I’m doing.

I’m inclined to believe the last since that’s usually what happens

[drowsy willow]

oh no 💀

[keen palm]

LOL

[drowsy willow]

did this start happening recently

or was it for a long time

[keen palm]

I felt that

[keen palm]

I don’t actually know

It’s in my quite large™ modpack so it could be some incompatibility.

[drowsy willow]

could you send me a modpack code?

[keen palm]

Tomorrow or sometime soon I’ll try in a modpack with just weather tweaks and registry

[drowsy willow]

i'll try to fix both issues tomorrow 🥺

[keen palm]

And see if it still happens

[keen palm]

I can’t right now I’m afraid but I’ll send a message in this thread if it is a WT/WR issue tomorrow

[jade field]

Could this perhaps be related to lethal element weathers not combining with other weather types?

[keen palm]

I feel bad bringing it up when there’s clearly other issues going on

[drowsy willow]

don't worry about it

😅

😳

[keen palm]

Try with the 50/50 weather

I remember it being on that in particular

It was none/tornado and ur said it was currently tornado

[drowsy willow]

OH SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT

what the fuck??

how

[keen palm]

I thought I was going crazy honestly

I still think I am ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nocturne lily]

01956dae-be0d-2415-de4a-3dc4a6ab8e2b
after this happened i set that weathers default weight to 0, it was at 100 when i reported it

[drowsy willow]

thanks, i'll check it later

[drowsy willow]

this is not working consistently

which is crazy

[keen palm]

Weird

[drowsy willow]

lmao

i hate it so much

okay, that is bizzare

i think i know what's fucked

i must've made my transpiler wrong

and didn't catch those checks

i'll do that tomorrow, thanks for the report

[winter silo]

So the weathers are being calculated right, they just are not displaying right?

I am trying to understand for myself

[drowsy willow]

that second issue is the uncertain weathers not displaying correctly in the terminal if the true weather is clear

first issue is combined/progressing weathers Enabled config not working correctly

[winter silo]

I see, thanks

[paper rampart]

I experience a ton of lag whenever there are multiple weather events

Like I can heavy eclipse/heatwave and ill be fine, but like heatwave+blackout rlly lags it to hell

[lapis fractal]

How do you get heatwave + blackout to appear?

[paper rampart]

i dont think it was exactly that, it was an example

just the super big ones are weird

theyre very laggy idk why

i run a smooth FPS always

this is the only time its ever slow

[nocturne lily]

what name for a moon does weather registry use? is it the LLL name or just the moons name in game

[drowsy willow]

all of them

the numberless name (from LLL), the scene name, level name, planet name

you can input anything and it'll work

and it's case-insensitive

[nocturne lily]

ok

sector 0 is the only one thats iffy to me because it includes a - character

but if it supports any name then no worry

also is every moon forced to have a weight for None weather? i tried setting the weight to 0/blacklisting it in weather reg config for some moons, and it still shows up

[ancient depot]

Just put it in as Sector0

[nocturne lily]

i had it as that

[ancient depot]

If that doesn't work try Sector lol

[drowsy willow]

clear weather has to be on every moon

because if a moon maker leaves an empty list of possible weathers, what should happen?

[drowsy willow]

Sector0 or Sector should work

or even sector-0 tbh

[ancient depot]

Doesn't registry nuke the - though?

[drowsy willow]

every level has 5 possible name matches

• numberless name
• "alphanumeric name"
• level name
• moon name
• scene name

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalMrovLib/blob/main/MrovLib%2FStringResolver.cs#L37-L41

I'm exclusively using one format of entries across my mod to nudge people into using them 🤭

so yeah, in some sense it's "nuking" it, but both of them should work (if you're into it)

[nocturne lily]

ok

so using name Sector0, and then to get around None having to be included i set its weight as 1

[drowsy willow]

i think you could set the weight as 0, but if -as you've said- it's causing issues then I'll investigate that further

Registry has a safeguard built-in to pick weathers when none of them are possible and if the sum of weights is 0 or negative

lol

[drowsy willow]

partial success

[little sedge]

congratuon morv

[drowsy willow]

transpilers are my nemesis

[drowsy willow]

tenk u

[little sedge]

do you know any actual good documentation for those

i dont remember well but google didnt help much iirc

[drowsy willow]

https://harmony.pardeike.net/articles/patching-transpiler.html ?

[pulsar monolith]

hey where do the configs for the waether go now? its not in the weather registry config anymore

like for weights and stuff

[drowsy willow]

WHAT

no

there's no way

it has to be there

[pulsar monolith]

i generated a new config and there are no weights lol

uh oh

[drowsy willow]

have you started a lobby?

[pulsar monolith]

yup, no dice

[drowsy willow]

what's your modpack code

[pulsar monolith]

01957106-df1f-dfb8-a6e9-302fcf5fac32

[drowsy willow]

everything is showing up correctly 😳

[pulsar monolith]

what the hail!

so you just booted it like normal?

[drowsy willow]

yes

[pulsar monolith]

lemme try again

[drowsy willow]

let me re-do that to be sure

[pulsar monolith]

it seems to work for me when i rolled back to 0.5.2

[drowsy willow]

generated correctly

[drowsy willow]

is it not working on latest?

wtf

[lapis fractal]

Try the latest version, delete weather registry's config, go make a save file. Leave the game. You should have a full weather registry config

Could be the version but that's what I do when configs are acting iffy for me

[pulsar monolith]

oh i didnt make a save file!

lemme try that

[drowsy willow]

oooooh

so you didn't start a lobby 🤭

[pulsar monolith]

well started but did make it past a day to save!

[drowsy willow]

the configs are created when you start a lobby, not save a save

cause it's tied to the terminal functions starting

[pulsar monolith]

should i make a new save file maybe>

nevermind it worked this time

what the hell lol

[drowsy willow]

false alarm

[drowsy willow]

i hate transpilers

[ornate cosmos]

D:

[drowsy willow]

🥺

i cannot get that thing to work

[ornate cosmos]

post code teehee

[drowsy willow]

the public shaming

so the thing i want to do is to replace this local variable with a call to my method

which corresponds to this IL code

and i'm doing this to replace the instructions

wait i'm stupid??/

it's not a local variable 0 (ldloc_0)

it should use ldarg_2

lmao it's working

kill me

thanks for being my rubber ducky, zaggy

[paper rampart]

Are the mixed weathers supposed to be insanely laggy

Like I can’t imagine im the only one with this

[drowsy willow]

how bad is it for you

[paper rampart]

I always run insanely smooth fps with my 285 mods

And im only ever laggy with multiple weathers, even the vanilla

[drowsy willow]

i have a suspicion

[paper rampart]

It’s like 2 fps with multiple weathers

Any weathers

[drowsy willow]

could you send me your modpack code?

[paper rampart]

Yes holdon

[paper rampart]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Duzycztowiek/Condemned_Company/

Don’t have the code on me rn im in the car

This has the issue though

my friends testing have the same thing and they’ve got nuts computers

[drowsy willow]

i'll check that rq

[drowsy willow]

which weather do you remember causing the biggest issues? was this happening on all levels?

[drowsy willow]

hey, i think i fixed your issue - could you check if it's happening on this build?
https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherRegistry/actions/runs/13727644710/artifacts/2713091964

@paper rampart i've booted it up and it's stuttering every 2-3 seconds, is that what you were talking about?

[paper rampart]

Heatwave mixes, eclipsed+foggy I believe, and some small others

It makes it like 3 fps even inside

Once I get inside the factory it’s the same

When I leave the planet it’s back to a crisp smooth rate

[drowsy willow]

I'll check that properly later

[paper rampart]

I can send a clip and recreate it later

I know it’s very vague and stuff I just gotta get home

[drowsy willow]

if you could 😇

[paper rampart]

It just stood out because im literally always on smooth fps

And it would be hella disappointing if I can’t have like heatwave/foggy yk

I’ll get back to you in a few hours

[drowsy willow]

no worries

[paper rampart]

yo

if I want this to appear at all

do I need to put Blackout + Snowfall into the "None"s weathertoweather weights

[nocturne lily]

Don't think so?

I think it would use default weight in that case

[paper rampart]

so I could remove everything from none's weathertoweather and it'll use this

[nocturne lily]

i believe thats how it'd work

but i'm not 100% on that

[paper rampart]

alrighty

[paper rampart]

i tweaked a bunch of shit

added actual values to them and moon limitations

now the eclipsed+rainy+stormy works

ill try more

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/jPTtfmEIyGXHLEI4O?invite=cr-MSxmV3YsMTY2MzEzOTQ3LA

found a visual bug

oof

it kept spazzing out

Had it happen a 2nd time on March

this time it was only snowfall

[paper rampart]

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/jPTxZr58gbXMBjAxn?invite=cr-MSxPcWQsMTY2MzEzOTQ3LA

[paper rampart]

is this why those weather forecast notications pop up

the "changing weather to.."

[nocturne lily]

no

that just lets you set things like weather-to-weather weights for anything WeatherTweaks adds

basically makes the full config instead of a trimmed down one

[paper rampart]

and weather tweaks adds the whole rainy > snowfall stuff

and eclipsed + flooded, etc

so I want this enabled?

[nocturne lily]

if you want to customize any of them yeah

[paper rampart]

alright thank you

[nocturne lily]

also

[nocturne lily]

this is just a feature of progressing weathers

[paper rampart]

alright

the issue might be the discount alert mod

its only glitching where it appears

it was discount alert

[drowsy willow]

what are discount alerts

[drowsy willow]

what in the everloving fuck

[paper rampart]

little mod that pops up and shows u the discounts

its bugging my screen out with tweaks on idk why

[drowsy willow]

that is bizarre wtf

[nocturne lily]

doesnt discount alerts just use base game's method for alerts? why would it cause this

[paper rampart]

idk

I disabled it and it works now

when I re-enable it, it happens again

ill mess around and try to fix it

[hollow yoke]

clearly its a secret way to make the game harder

[drowsy willow]

the unintended difficulty tweak

[stark scaffold]

@drowsy willow I'm having a issue with the weathers, the first day everything was clear except for one moon but on the second day it looked like this.

It might have to do with the weather to weather weights which @ebon current made for me and said that it might be a issue with the mod, he can explain a little more. Here is the code 01957463-a3e4-ea14-45e5-b6fbe019d176

[ebon current]

I mean weathers are configured to have lots of custom weights, default weights, and weights for moons / tags

[ebon current]

If you have the log, that's very helpful for this mod in particular as it has extensive logging

[queen shadow]

First day by default is always less harsh (just like vanilla), thats a setting iirc in registry weathertweaks

[hollow cargo]

lmao

[drowsy willow]

ahahahhaha I forgot 🤭 🤭 🤭

[stark scaffold]

Yeah but every single moon had a weather

[queen shadow]

Ive had that happen many times, unsure if you could call it a bug

Cloudy is such a non-issue weather it might aswell be "None 2"

its probably just some bad luck. I rarely get no weather at all, though i dont really tweak the weights.

[drowsy willow]

total weights on a single moon is over a thousand - of course clear weather is not gonna be that common

[queen shadow]

Im actually curious, how exactly does the Clean weather weight downscale option work?

Because im not entirely sure i understand what its used for:
If you keep adding more weather possibilities, shouldnt you need to scale up the amount of clear weather to keep the clean percentage the same, because all the new weather add more and more weights? Why would you need to downscale? Or is there some kind of system in vanilla that needs "fixing", hence calling it downscale instead of upscale?

[hollow yoke]

i feel like this is just a case of not understanding how the weight system works

but maybe i missed something

[drowsy willow]

My first iteration of weights assumed that every moon can have every weather possible

So for the moons where that's not the case it's downscaling the clear weather weight to keep the same % chance

thing is: i haven't changed the system since modded weathers started to be a thing, so you might actually be right in saying that it's not working as intended

[queen shadow]

Also, i gotta ask, re: your "difficulty multiplier"

Im not sure i quite understand how it works

The numbers seem kinda wack (or i guess the better phrasing would be that the variables are an "arbitrary black box") especially for quotas done & player count - its hard to really parse how it would actually affect stuff in a proper session. Especially when you do high quota stuff.

An explainer on how exactly those multipliers work with eachother and how they affect the generation of weather would be pretty useful, because right now its pretty hard for me to balance my friends' pack for higher quota runs

[drowsy willow]

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherTweaks/blob/main/WeatherTweaks%2FWeatherCalculation.cs#L49-L53

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherTweaks/blob/main/WeatherTweaks%2FVariables.cs#L281

[queen shadow]

So if im understanding this right

any non-clear weather weight just gets multiplied by this final multiplier

[drowsy willow]

yes

and then clear is scaled down based on the % when all weathers are possible

[lapis fractal]

what happens if all weathers aren't possible on that moon?

[drowsy willow]

it's gonna be clear

[rare sun]

idk if this is intended but it is funny to see

[abstract pivot]

@drowsy willow how is blackout spelled in your weather mod

black out?

[nocturne lily]

it probably matches what registry config prints

which would be blackout

[drowsy willow]

Blackout

depends where you need it

When you're directly interacting with Registry it's gonna use the config variants (lowercase, no spaces)

In JLL it is case-sensitive (so Blackout)

[abstract pivot]

In GetCurrentLevelWeather

Or whatever the best way to get name of levels weather

[drowsy willow]

blackout should work

[abstract pivot]

i think because of how .ToString() works i got blackout (LevelWeather) or something like that lol

[drowsy willow]

bruh WHAT

oh are you using toString to get weather name?

[rare sun]

Hey question, the weather/weather is a 50/50?? I guess it is that but i always get the first option

[latent sleet]

There's a Name field 😭

[abstract pivot]

a man who thinks all the time has nothing to think about except thoughts

[drowsy willow]

yes it is

it's 50/50 if the first or second is the correct one

[rare sun]

So is this a bug or that's just how it works

[nocturne lily]

not a bug, just means you're either getting the Eclipsed > Foggy progressing weather, or the normal Foggy weather

[rare sun]

OH YEAH i didn't see it like that im so dumb thank you

[nocturne lily]

the best way to interpret it is that the / is absolute, and whatever is on either side of it is the name of the weather in full

[rare sun]

Ok thanksss

Another thing is i don't know if it is another mod but when i get rainy + another weather it doesn't spawn puddles in the map

[latent sleet]

@drowsy willow it seems like this check doesn't cover all the situations after all?
https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherTweaks/blob/b743652a4acc3752077385252dce1dbaf8281fb5/WeatherTweaks/ChangeMidDay.cs#L119

[rare sun]

I haven't tried using it alone, i'm using it with other mods to see if they work together and noticed that everytime it says rainy + something it just works the other weather, not rainy

I tried vanilla and modded moons

Looks like neither work

[drowsy willow]

Oh shit that check is only for progressing weathers

not combined

OOPSIEEEE

[rare sun]

And one last thing, when i get the rainy > other weather and changes to the other weather the puddles stay there

Is that intended?

[drowsy willow]

let's say yes

it's the same case with eclipsed>something - monsters spawned during the raised spawn cap stay there

[rare sun]

Ok, so i guess if it is flooded>something the water stays there

Or that works differently? I haven't had that combination yet

[drowsy willow]

oh shit you're right

that's how it should work

I don't think I've allowed flooded -anything combo

yet

[lapis fractal]

blackout flooded would be actually horrible

[queen shadow]

blackout+flooded+eclipsed

...stupid question since it only just occured to me

isnt a blackout technically the same as an eclipse, except uh, its a total solar eclipse so theres just no sunlight?

[queen shadow]

and by that logic, shouldnt blackout technically have eclipse spawning?

[drowsy willow]

no it's not 😅

[queen shadow]

So what is a blackout then?

The space nerd in me is screaming at this revelation

Literally unplayable, have to disable replace blackouts with blackout+eclipsed now because they make no sense /s

[rare sun]

Wait what is blackout? Is that another mod? I haven't seen that

[queen shadow]

Its part of Mrov Weathers

Adds cloudy (basically "none" but its overall darker and overcast) & blackout (no sunlight, super dark everything) as new weather conditions

Blackout actually makes flashlights worth having

[rare sun]

Oh that's epic

[queen shadow]

and it also adds a nice bit of "risk vs reward" when you have it as a progressing weather with Weather Tweaks, so you have to decide "okay do i save inventory space and hope it doesnt turn to blackout too quickly, or do i bring a light to be safe?"

[rare sun]

Aree there any other mods that add new weather?, i know lethalelements and coderebirth though code rebirth adds so many thing that i don't like i just prefer not using it

[rare sun]

Instant download, i really like how that sounds

[queen shadow]

I guess there's Dusted which allows the "unused" Dust Clouds weather from vanilla to appear on other moons

[rare sun]

Mmm but can't the modders add their own dust clouds? I don't want it to be incompatible

[queen shadow]

I did recently find another mod that adds a new weather called "Echo Curse" which increases hearing distance of sound enemies and adds spooky reverb and higher enemy spawns

Never tested that one though so no idea how well it works

[rare sun]

Sounds fun i might check it out thanks

[gray kayak]

the icon kinda cracked

[rare sun]

Icon is peak

[lapis fractal]

I saw that but I wish there was like a visual cue. Atm it's just that, no visual to show a new weather. It's neat but it needs a visual

[queen shadow]

I think it just adds support, but you still need to manually define modded moons for the weather. But it adds it to the vanilla ones that support it if i understand it correctly.

[queen shadow]

Description claims its cloudy and adds reverb to audio

so i guess its more noticeable in MP

[rare sun]

Ooh well that sounds better

[lapis fractal]

Cloudy is vanilla though, I wish they'd add a super slight like yellow sky or just something y'know. Not dissing the mod, just a recommendation to the weather

[queen shadow]

Cloudy isnt vanilla though, unless you mean it looks vanilla which yeah it kinda does but i guess thats the point?

anyhow, i will say just Dusted + Lethal Elements + Mrov's weathers + weather tweaks is already a really spicy combo

[lapis fractal]

Oh yeah, I use central config to make dusted means slightly easier. Considering it only appears on experiemtnation and that moon is the easiest, moons that have dust clouds are easier ever so slighty

[rare sun]

I would really like to have the tornado weather as a standalone mod, i really like it but having to disable a billion trillion things just to have that is a bit meh, the meteor shower is good too but i prefer it more how it works in vanilla

[lapis fractal]

on my modpack at least

[rare sun]

Talking bout code rebirth

[gray kayak]

I think it's a little safe to say Cloudy is literally just Stormy/Rainy without the storm or rain parts

[rare sun]

So the dust clouds that appear in experimentation just appear in experimentation

And that mod makes it appear in other moons

[lapis fractal]

In base game, it's that visual effect on experimetnation only. But with mods, you can make it a weather that appears on other moons

Weather Registry + Dusted + Central Config and you have a new weather that does something

[gray kayak]

name that weather!!

[lapis fractal]

Hmm

If I had to give it a name

Clear?

[rare sun]

And how does the foggy interior works?, i really hate when the weather is clear but i go to the interior and i can't see 1nanometer away

[lapis fractal]

That's jsut a very rare event where the inside will be foggy

That's vanilla

[gray kayak]

(the answer is Rainy (Same as Clear I think) -> Stormy -> Cloudy)

[rare sun]

:0

[lapis fractal]

:0

[rare sun]

Yeah i know but then it isn't a weather, is more like the meteor shower

[gray kayak]

Interior Fog is a separate vanilla thing

[rare sun]

Can't be adjusted with a mod or something

[lapis fractal]

When the interior is foggy it's an event, just like the meteor shower

RNGconfig something

[gray kayak]

2% chance on any landing and 20% chance if it happens to be an infestation iirc

[lapis fractal]

It's a mod

[rare sun]

What is an infestation iirc

[gray kayak]

Hoarding Bug and Nutcracker infestation

Bumps up their weight to the max and increases the inside power

[rare sun]

Oooh ok

I knew the hoarding infestation but i didn't knew that nutcracker infestation was a thing

[gray kayak]

it's more rare

[rare sun]

Maybe i have a mod that is changing the percentages cause no way is 2%

[gray kayak]

I might be wrong

[rare sun]

Maybe some of the Wesley's moons change that

[queen shadow]

1.5% chance for overall infestation iirc, and then another percentage roll based on wether the moon has nutcrackers as possible enemy or not to determine if its that or hoarding bugs.

[rare sun]

Is that the percentage for infestation or for foggy interior?

[queen shadow]

Infestation

[rare sun]

And what is for foggy

[queen shadow]

🤷‍♂️

[rare sun]

[queen shadow]

I would use RNGConfigurator to adjust the values if you think they're too much.

Ive had them happen so rarely i never really bothered

(hell i installed MeteorShowerChance to make the chance of meteor showers go up the longer it has been since the last one)

[rare sun]

They happen too regular for me, like i said maybe wesleys moons changes someging in them, i'll look into that

[rare sun]

Imagine eclipsed + stormy + blizzard and meteorshower

Funny situation

[lapis fractal]

Eclormzzower

[rare sun]

With the added foggy interior and dust clouds

[queen shadow]

#1203871322841808906 message

• changed the DustClouds weather name to Dust Clouds

Sorry 'bout the ping mrov, but uhhh i noticed this in-game just now - the dust clouds name fix seems to not apply to Uncertain weathers, probably need to apply em for those aswell.

^ hate discord image galleries so much smh...

also my registry config has double dust cloud entries now somehow?
Unsure if this is because ive started running Dusted or if this is from the recent update to Registry.

also also every Uncertain & progressing (didnt check combined) weather gets converted to lowercase when trying to route.

I think this is technically vanilla, but it feels weird in the context of modded weathers - i think maybe having it say It is currently [Blackout?] on this moon with the weather in its actual spelling inside brackets would be better for consistency.

[nocturne lily]

recent registry update orphaned the bottom entry. you can delete it

[drowsy willow]

fuck

I have an idea to fix that, but it's gonna fuck up everything once again

[abstract pivot]

configs, the personal hell to every modder

[drowsy willow]

I'm not sure why the DustClouds there are not separated, but I'll check

[drowsy willow]

that's a nice idea

[drowsy willow]

yes

true

[harsh flicker]

Hey wait
Would that have broken Dusted?

[drowsy willow]

it shouldn't

because the underlying LevelWeatherType is still the same and the string used in the resolver is still the same (dustclouds)

[drowsy willow]

yeah, it went under my radar in Tweaks - I'll try to have a fix ready later today

[harsh flicker]

I see i see
Yeah it seemed fine earlier

[queen shadow]

holy shit

[queen shadow]

awesome, glad to have contributed to finding this lol

[abstract pivot]

damn i've never been pinged that many times in my life

[queen shadow]

let me start then @abstract pivot

kidding

[abstract pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-ssj-goku-goku-frieza-flashback-namek-gif-26255025

[queen shadow]

[abstract pivot]

gif courtesy of dragon ball enthusiast @slow maple

[slow maple]

draggin bowl

[drowsy willow]

getting popular 🤭

[queen shadow]

Pfft i wish

(actually i dont, my claim to fame will always be space engineers)

I think this is technically vanilla, but it feels weird in the context of modded weathers - i think maybe having it say It is currently [Blackout?] on this moon with the weather in its actual spelling inside brackets would be better for consistency.

Btw i realised, since "None" actually shows as "It is currently mild weather" in the route screen, would it be possible to just have custom defined text for that?

obviously i guess itd be a challenge to write that out with some modded weathers like a solar flare or blackout but still worth asking

[drowsy willow]

it would be possible to change that, yeah

do you mean the clear weather text or making that for every weather?

[queen shadow]

the latter, hence complexity/challenging

since its hard to phrase out some weathers, especially combinations

"This moon is currently experiencing severe flooding, a solar flare, severe fog, a total solar blackout and a blizzard"

[drowsy willow]

i can make an additional field in weather definition for weather devs to add those

[queen shadow]

How would it work for combining?

[drowsy willow]

and that would be it essentially

[drowsy willow]

don't make me make them 😭

[queen shadow]

I assume they each need their own entry?

Ill fkin do it

[drowsy willow]

i could combine them dynamically (it's flooded AND eclipsed and whatever)

[queen shadow]

I did consider another alternative

kinda going back to the "showing in brackets"

I have no idea if thisll fuck with other mods, but showing a weather report on the route dialog

[drowsy willow]

a weather report?

[queen shadow]

that shows what the weather does

[drowsy willow]

mmmmm

[queen shadow]

let me uhhh draw something up in paint

[drowsy willow]

I think I get what you mean

something like "Eclipsed increases mob spawns during the day"?

[queen shadow]

I was thinking writing it more along like a Company PSA

[drowsy willow]

i might need a visual help after all 😅

[queen shadow]

Yeah im working on it

had to open up LC

[queen shadow]

took a bit longer than i wanted, but as an example.

Such detail sadly doesn't work when you have more than 3 weathers at once though unless you want people scrolling :(

Also not sure how it would handle progressing weathers, soo uuuhhhh

😅

I really do like the idea of actually having proper weather descriptions somehow/somewhere though

i know the info command is intended for moons & items, but maybe weathers for it would be cool too so people could look up weather effects in-game?

[drowsy willow]

i've been planning to make a simulate-like thing for weather weights

and i think that would be a nice place to also display that information

[queen shadow]

Forecast command (as the name for it)?

[drowsy willow]

probably the same way, just listing all of them 😅

[drowsy willow]

could be as a name, but i don't have a great idea for the actual "forecast" mechanic

[queen shadow]

you're talking to the right person for ideas

uhhhh ok on a quickly different note

i was just tryna look in my log file real quick to look at the weather weights

[21:50:24.0940488] [Debug :WeatherTweaks] Getting full weather type for Foggy > None
why is this getting spammed ad infinitum now, every like 3-6 seconds

wait i think i might know why

yeah okay i think this is imperium doing dumb stuff again lmfao, foggy > none was the weather of a moon i overwrote the weather of while in orbit to try and check smth

[drowsy willow]

this is something in tweaks doing that

but i can't recall why rn

[queen shadow]

you might want to consider putting it in trace if its not something a user needs to worry about

[drowsy willow]

true

[queen shadow]

In general this is probably not a bad idea given trace iirc isnt enabled by default?

[drowsy willow]

as is debug 😳

[queen shadow]

damn i got called out

[drowsy willow]

oh shit i've attached that to the wrong logger

my bad

it's changed now

[queen shadow]

wait wdym the wrong logger

[drowsy willow]

i've said too much

[queen shadow]

so it was a tracing log that wasnt meant to show?

cough cough

[drowsy willow]

no, it was attached to plugin.logger

instead of plugin.debuglogger

my bad

[queen shadow]

and the impact of that is?

[drowsy willow]

it's hidden behind debug mode 🤭

[queen shadow]

AHA

[queen shadow]

ohhhhhh

[queen shadow]

so i guess this is kinda true then

[drowsy willow]

🙄 sure

[queen shadow]

debug i wasnt meant to see

lol

[drowsy willow]

🤭

[queen shadow]

anyways coming back to the forecast thing

You could do an actual forecast by just using your weight system

[drowsy willow]

holy fucking shit you're right

[queen shadow]

• take the weather in orbit for current day (lets call this monday), show this as "Today: Stormy"
• get weather2weather weights to get the most likely weather(s) for next day aka tuesday

lets say cloudy 75% and rainy 25% for simplicity

• only display the most likely weather in this case - so, "Tomorrow: Cloudy, 75%"
• get weather2weather weights again from tue to wed but take into account both possible weathers from tuesday and get the combined percentages

you are essentially combining the probabilities

which, interestingly enough, would be a fairly accurate forecast

since it takes into account the probabilities from before

you could also do it way simpler and only take the w2w weights of the deemed-most-likely weather

Today: Stormy
Tomorrow: Cloudy, 75% (based on chance from Stormy)
Overmorrow: Rainy, 60% (based on chance from Cloudy)

[drowsy willow]

so i should display every possible permuation for the next day?

[queen shadow]

Depends on where you display it

or how

[queen shadow]

What im suggesting here COULD fit on the route page

alternatively if you do "forecast <moon>" as its own page

you could show the 3 most likely and their percentages, for the next 3 days

Although again, combined weathers are gonna be a biiiiiiiitch

[drowsy willow]

god that's a good idea

i'll try to see how it looks in a moment

[gray kayak]

Something special for individual weathers and the more... special combined weathers, something more general for 1+2 combined stuff

[lapis fractal]

I wish we could just combine weathers fr. Have lot config slots for ungodly weather combinations

That would probably be hard to make though

[nocturne lily]

we already do

[lapis fractal]

I meant like personally pick and choose

Like I could throw a blackout with a winter, a flooded, and a eclispe

Like pick and choose instead of the predetermined ones

[nocturne lily]

idk how the combined weathers are made but i imagine allowing combinations of things that aren't supposed to work with each other would be a real easy way to break the game

[lapis fractal]

well ofc but no way to find out unless I'm givin that power 😈 😂

[drowsy willow]

we'll see

[lapis fractal]

I'll name the weather combination WEATHER 7!!!! mwahaashahah

[drowsy willow]

you wouldn't dare

[winter silo]

Ironman players drooling rn

[drowsy willow]

the thing is

i don't know yet how it's gonna by synced between players

we'll see

[drowsy willow]

i'm seriously contemplating doing this for the config categories

[abstract pivot]

LMAO

[drowsy willow]

this is going very well

[queen shadow]

wheyyy

I love learning about the forest keeper when trying to find out if im gonna get struck by lightning tomorrow!

[drowsy willow]

oh, that's why

terminal is a fucking bitch

[queen shadow]

it is

lol

[drowsy willow]

no

just no

[queen shadow]

no no no no no dont tell me thats vanilla

[drowsy willow]

that is terminal code

yes

[abstract pivot]

coulda been worse

[queen shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-wait-wait-gif-8174347161288218584

admittedly up until a year ago my own discord bot was also using like 40 chained if conditions for role assignment (code that i wrote back in high school lol)

[nocturne lily]

Layered if statements

[drowsy willow]

seeing this cursed stuff makes me baffled how the game runs as well as it does

cause the spaghetti is everywhere

[queen shadow]

isnt this why we have so many optimisation mods?

[nocturne lily]

Isn't this game mostly single core too

[abstract pivot]

oh hush you just touch too many of the very much older things like terminal and weather

[drowsy willow]

true

"if it works, fuck it"

[abstract pivot]

and ill live and die by that

until i have to rewrite it

[drowsy willow]

💀

[abstract pivot]

tis about time to get the driftwood working better

[drowsy willow]

this should do the trick

it did not

[queen shadow]

yeah man terminal code is super easy to work with

[drowsy willow]

"Foreshadowing is a literary device-

i'm getting a fucking aneurysm

what do words mean anymore

WHY ARE THEY DIFFERENT TYPES

oh my fucking god

[abstract pivot]

you didnt know?

[queen shadow]

He did not know

[abstract pivot]

yeah special nodes and terminal nodes

albeit i dont know what they're populated by

[drowsy willow]

i hate this so much

[queen shadow]

special nodes are ones like route, right?

[abstract pivot]

not necessairly

[queen shadow]

I mean idk the code

was just a guess

[drowsy willow]

you're thinking about verbs

[queen shadow]

the page for route*

[drowsy willow]

i'll check in a moment

[queen shadow]

I assumed it would be special because its a conf-deny prompt

[drowsy willow]

that's because those options are defined as the only correct inputs in TerminalNode.terminalOptions

[queen shadow]

ah

wait does that mean you can add "balls" as a possible option

[drowsy willow]

i'm gonna say yes

[queen shadow]

my response to weathertweaks forecast giving me 5 eclipsed moons:

balls

[drowsy willow]

🤭

OOPS, ALL ECLIPSED

i just got the perfect idea

you must be joking

[queen shadow]

why is it parsing rainy

wha

[drowsy willow]

cause i wrote forecast rainy

it's thereeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[queen shadow]

wait but why would you use forecast rainy

[drowsy willow]

what do you mean

OH alright

[latent sleet]

I'm also confused

[queen shadow]

i thought it was forecast moonName

[latent sleet]

You'd want to forecast "moon name"

[queen shadow]

since you're getting the forecast for a specific moon, such as titan

where youd be spending the next 3 days

[drowsy willow]

i'm doing the forecast two ways:

1. when you type weather name, it's gonna show the default weights
2. when you do moon name, it's gonna show w2w/level weights and prediction for next day

[queen shadow]

ohhh

[drowsy willow]

i'm trying to, at least

OH IT'S NOT WORKING CAUSE I'M DUMB

[queen shadow]

when you do moon name, it's gonna show w2w/level weights and prediction for next day
Do you think its possible to do today, next day & day after that? Kinda like what i suggested last night with the compounded probabilities.

Cause default deadline is 3 days, would make sense to get the 3 day forecast

[drowsy willow]

i'll see how clearly i can convey that information

[queen shadow]

You got an entire page to show it

hear me out

I know terminal cant display icons without hackery

[drowsy willow]

i'm focused on doing a table similar to this one:

[queen shadow]

but like that kind of table style

[drowsy willow]

we'll see where i end up

i just want to have clearly displayed info 🤭

[queen shadow]

You should be able to do 3 rows with that

show the day on the left (Today, Tomorrow, Overmorrow), and the 3 possibilities on the right?

[drowsy willow]

worst case i'll make the font a bit smaller

[queen shadow]

ill try smth aswell

[drowsy willow]

first i have to make this piece of shit work

oh my god i see the mistake

[hollow yoke]

hardcore ironman reference

[drowsy willow]

what do you MEAN 😭

[drowsy willow]

🤭

i think i did it

now displaying the info

[queen shadow]

Smth like that could work. Obviously percentages are wack and wrong but the general gist should be there. If the weather is longer, maybe have it cut off with ... or move the percentage back to make space

[drowsy willow]

that is a great concept

[hollow yoke]

is overmorrow a term wtf

why does no one say that

[queen shadow]

its an ancient term

[drowsy willow]

although i'll probably add weights and percentages next to each other

[queen shadow]

Id make it a setting like in LLL's simulate command

percentages are more immersive in-game, weights are more useful for developers

[drowsy willow]

sure, it can be an opt-out thing

[queen shadow]

Im swiss so im used to saying "übermorgen" (german). The fact that english doesnt really use this term anymore is actually insane. Its so useful.

[drowsy willow]

it's called "a day after tomorrow" and it's too long to use 🤭

it's just easier to say "friday"

ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy

now the table

[queen shadow]

here comes lethal company without weekdays

if you use openmonitors you can see the current day number

[drowsy willow]

it's gonna be "Day 0 (Today)"/"Day 1 (Tomorrow)"/"Day 2"

fuck this

[queen shadow]

"Today", "1 Day", "2 Days"

[hollow yoke]

double loot wednesday 🔥

[drowsy willow]

lmao

[queen shadow]

Yup

Nobody knows why

Honestly though overmorrow makes total sense

[drowsy willow]

whenever i get around to messing with game events

[queen shadow]

and it would be funny for the company to use it given their years are completely out of wack

[hollow yoke]

add an event where the game becomes omega evil mode and it spawns the cap of every monster for all 3 power levels

[drowsy willow]

😳

🤭

thing with the in-game events is

it's not standardized in any way

so to make that i'd have to re-do all vanilla shit

[queen shadow]

and if more than 1 mod adds events it gets absolutely insane

[drowsy willow]

🙂

[hollow yoke]

implying you would do that....?

[queen shadow]

looks at brutal company

[drowsy willow]

implying that if i ever get insane enough to do that i'd do it that way

[hollow yoke]

implying you are sane at all?

[drowsy willow]

i was never diagnosed

so let's assume yes

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-bunny-fell-gif-19263574

[hollow yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/serval-cheeto-floppa-pizza-swag-gif-20162519

[queen shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/well-in-that-case-yo-mama-well-case-gif-14405034452477075435

but yeah

weather makes people crazy

[drowsy willow]

crazy? i was crazy once

[queen shadow]

source: me maintaining a weather station mod in zomboid...

[drowsy willow]

i salute you, dear sir

[queen shadow]

you play pz?

[drowsy willow]

no

😅

[queen shadow]

ah

thanks for the salute

i salute you back

[drowsy willow]

i just realized doing forecast weathername is pointless

[queen shadow]

people arent gonna know the weather names if they're new

[drowsy willow]

will see

[queen shadow]

forecast moon could have potential to be absolutely goated though

especially with paid moons like titan or artifice where you gotta make a conscious choice of "do i wanna risk 3 days here to maximise the credits spent"

having the option to at least see what the weather for those next 3 days there could be can be a gamechanger

[hollow yoke]

kinda ruins the purpose of weather imo

people already refuse to even fathom attempting to play moons with weather, even though its not always a death sentence, especially for stormy
stormy is genuinely overfeared

but thats not my point

[queen shadow]

it can give people false hope if it says 70% clear

[drowsy willow]

but statistically it will be 70% clear

[queen shadow]

do agree though that people fear weather way too much, other than eclipsed

[hollow yoke]

no, even eclipsed is

the first 3 moons and march are perfectly managable eclipsed for a casual player

[queen shadow]

Eclipsed is just annoying to deal with

[hollow yoke]

id argue its even more fun when they are

[drowsy willow]

as is flooded

as is foggy

as is rainy

tbh

[hollow yoke]

rend eclipsed is profitable

[queen shadow]

rainy and foggy are non issues honestly, and flooded is manageable

[hollow yoke]

adamance, titan, and artifice are not really good choices to try eclipsed, but the latter 2 can force it

offense, dine, and embrion are evil

[queen shadow]

Embrion isnt honestly that bad as long as you got a cruiser

fire exit jump ftw

[hollow yoke]

its still four monsters every 2 hours

if power is open at least

i acknowledge embrions max indoor is 8, but its still evil it will be filled entirely at 9 AM

[queen shadow]

Oh yeah eclipsed embrion is ass, i moreso meant embrion in general

[hollow yoke]

anyways imo flooded is worse than eclipsed

because it hinders efficiency and blocks deliveries even being possible often

the only flood i dont mind is vow

[queen shadow]

When we get flooded we usually try to ignore 2 handeds

[hollow yoke]

i had a flooded artifice with a large axle SID

[drowsy willow]

flooded is either not impactful at all, annoying or downright impossible to play on

there's nothing in-between

[hollow yoke]

we had no cruiser

[queen shadow]

Mfw i still cant do artifice cruiser jump

or rend for that matter

[hollow yoke]

tbh cruiser on rend is mid

[queen shadow]

For some inexplicable reason ive mastered both cruiser jumps on offense

shoutout to dwayne "the rock next to the gantry" johnson

for being a good landing pad

as much as people like to crap on offense its actually a goated free moon with cruiser

even with weathers

[hollow yoke]

eject button strat on offense goes hard

[queen shadow]

you're one of the folks who eject onto the thing for fire exit?

i just bring the whole cruiser up there

[hollow yoke]

i dont like using boost

[queen shadow]

60% of the time, it works every time.

[hollow yoke]

feels pretty icky

[queen shadow]

it takes a lot of practice

If i dont feel comfortable with it i dont boost either

the worst incident so far was me getting struck by lightning while we were airborne in the cruiser

[drowsy willow]

lol

[queen shadow]

I died so i couldnt stop the velocity from the forward boost

which took all 3 of my friends with me who were in the back

because the flew face first into that scaffold thing

and the cruiser blew up

I wish i had footage of that, it was such an LC moment

[drowsy willow]

oh fuck

something went wrong lmao

[queen shadow]

brooo

[drowsy willow]

I KNOW

that's better

i'll sort it now

[hollow yoke]

there was one time lightning instantly struck the ship the moment stormy rend loaded

unfortunately i cant upload a clip of this due to someones voice being in it

[viral tree]

"Aktywuj system Windows"
"Przejdź do ustawień"
Ewww brother

[drowsy willow]

to nie tak 😭

[viral tree]

Nah if it's to windows 11
You're based for leaving that lol

[queen shadow]

is it laziness or can you not be bothered getting an actual copy

lol

[drowsy willow]

i will not touch windows 11 until i have to

in a few years lol

[queen shadow]

same

[viral tree]

Good

[drowsy willow]

it showed up yesterday

so it's laziness

[queen shadow]

you'd be happy to know that a certain team has figured out how to get ESU without shilling for m$

[viral tree]

iirc it was much longer than yesterday weather-guy

[drowsy willow]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-unbothered-whatever-woke-up-going-back-to-sleep-gif-17282864

[queen shadow]

so thatll be something im looking forward to

since i cant use win11

too many incompatibilities with some niche stuff i got

(its also a bad OS thats bloated with garbage nobody wants, and im not in the mood to do a clean reinstall)

[drowsy willow]

same

so true

[queen shadow]

sir mister weather developer person

you mind if i appear in your dms for a sec

[drowsy willow]

i don't mind at all

it's sorted 😇

yippee

[viral tree]

[drowsy willow]

the names are too loooooong tho

[queen shadow]

a great discussion was had

very epic

[drowsy willow]

is it that bad?

[queen shadow]

no its good

but why is stormy rainy flooded eclipse so high up in the list now wth

[latent sleet]

maybe keep top-k results for gameplay purposes

[drowsy willow]

it's sorted by weight, not by name

[latent sleet]

to keep some semblance of unknown

[queen shadow]

Yeah thats what im asking, why are they so high weight

lmfao

[viral tree]

Then maybe make shortcuts of them for example "St + Ra + Fl + Ecl" or idk

[drowsy willow]

oh my lord i think i made a mistake

those are not w2w weights

😳

[viral tree]

Readable if you have more than 70 IQ

[drowsy willow]

i have a similar system in TerminalFormatter

and i'll move it to here

that's better lmaoooooo

[viral tree]

Oooo

[drowsy willow]

this is the current layout

i'll spread the table and add level weights below this

[viral tree]

Cool

[harsh flicker]

Oh NICE you did the forecast command!!

[queen shadow]

Not quite the forecast you might be thinking of - that there is the likelihood of certain weathers occuring the next day if its currently foggy

other part of the command will eventually include a real forecast tho

[harsh flicker]

oh i see, so its the most likely proceeding weathers

[queen shadow]

yes those are the actual weights there

[harsh flicker]

wait so, no i think it is what i am thinking of

[queen shadow]

Its the same as looking at the config file

[harsh flicker]

If its Foggy, its then 23% for flooded or 23% as Eclipsed

[harsh flicker]

Yeah

[queen shadow]

yes

an actual moon forecast is being considered though aswell where it shows the most likely weathers (for today & the next day or two)

[harsh flicker]

Though the config file can be annoying for people to look into, and doesnt factor in the constant moon weather weights, nor if the moon doesn't support that next weather, you'd have to manually omit those weather to weather weights by checking what weathers that moon supports if you was gonna try and figure it out yourself
So this one is much more useful for that

[drowsy willow]

I want to have both displaying the configs (so the same stuff it's shown in the starting logs) and "predicting" the weather for current quota

[ebon current]

I wanted to follow up on this idea as I'm having a chat with someone about configuring a modpack, and the main crux of the issue with what we want to do just boils down to this feature not existing. No obligation to add or make a mod for it obviously, but I'd like to explain more in depth why itd be helpful, how it can be simple, and how it could operate

Essentially, I think having a configurable tag-based Multiplier field would help a lot for bringing the mod's weather system close to realism while allowing for configuration that's otherwise not possible.
Say you have two moons which have a similar list of weathers but quite drastic environment (a marsh and a canyon for example). You want rain systems to happen on both (maybe at similar frequency, maybe not), but be much more likely to persist into multi-day storms on marshes.
To keep the weather-to-weather system, you don't want to directly override Rain into the marsh, otherwise rain will get spammed constantly regardless of what's happening on the moon. Instead, there could be a Multiplier field in Rain. You may set this to 1.5x for marsh, and 0.8x for deserts.
In situations where rain could be expected (say its cloudy on both moons), rain would be much more likely to develop in the marsh. Once there, it'd be more likely to stick around (rain -> rain), and more likely to dry up in the desert.

This would be applied to all weights after everything else has been set (maybe before the overrides for tag / moon weights). Immediately after the multiplication, weights would be checked like normal. I have no idea what the code looks like, but I feel this would be pretty easy as its just a multiplication rather than an override of specific values you already target with the tag / moon overrides.
This field would go right above or below the current tag / moon overrides. I feel like it's helpful enough that it could even replace those, though they both have their use cases.
Since it'd be just two fields (one for tags and one for moons) and targeted just with a weight for each, I think it also wouldn't be very complex for the user to configure.

[harsh flicker]

I personally think just scaling that down to a moon based multiplier would make more sense than tag based
You could always manually do that multiplier for each moon within a certain tag afterall
Like, for example, inside of the Rainy config being able to have a moon multiplier field, and then do something like [email protected], [email protected] for a x0.5 multiplier on the weight of Rainy on Assurance and 1.5x for Rainy on Vow would be fine no?
Its simple, and you could get the same functionality out of it. Though ig making the field support tags wouldnt do any harm, i think moons should be the priority though

[ebon current]

I do think it'd be good to have it work for moons, I suggested Tag & Moon as the weight override already has a field for each

IMO tags are more important, because assuming moons are tagged well, most moons you want certain properties on will have the same tag. Most of those red rocky tall moons are Canyon for example. But if we could only pick one, I'd say youre right that Moons makes more sense as you can set everything up that way

When making a modpack with 60-80 moons it can become a pain to configure every one, or even just a subset with properties you want to target

If it were only the vanilla moon list tags would be complete overkill

[harsh flicker]

Hmm, true
i forgot there is modpacks with that many moons, tags would be more ideal for large modpacks

[brisk ether]

@drowsy willow How do I change the weights so that the Weather is chosen in a more vanilla style

Trying to convince my friends to get a modpack but they dont like how weather registry gives all moons weather conditions

[queen shadow]

this might do it for ya, in the registry config. You want to try and set that to false.

[brisk ether]

Thanks!

[queen shadow]

If you are running WeatherTweaks you might also be able to dial down the difficulty in that config

which from my understanding determines the overall weathers

[queen shadow]

Hey @drowsy willow, got an inquiry for you because I need some help diagnosing an issue;

Im currently trying out Beanies Moons, and I'm running into an interesting issue: Registry seems to force the None weather onto those moons.

Theres two relevant log snippets here;

Possible weathers:
| Desperation     | ["Stormy","Foggy","Eclipsed","Cloudy","Blackout","Solar Flare","Heatwave","Toxic Smog","Snowfall","Blizzard"]
| Nephrite        | ["Cloudy","Blackout","Solar Flare","Toxic Smog","Snowfall","Blizzard"]
| Reign           | ["Stormy","Eclipsed","Cloudy","Blackout","Solar Flare","Toxic Smog","Snowfall","Blizzard"]
| Symbiosis       | ["Stormy","Foggy","Eclipsed","Cloudy","Blackout","Solar Flare","Toxic Smog","Snowfall","Blizzard"]
| Thallasic       | ["Stormy","Eclipsed","Cloudy","Blackout","Solar Flare","Toxic Smog","Snowfall","Blizzard"]
| Veld            | ["Cloudy","Blackout","Solar Flare","Toxic Smog","Snowfall","Blizzard"]

which shows that the moons do have some weather to choose from. Veld and Nephrite are exceptions, they're technically not meant to have weather, so only modded weathers show up for it due to what i assume to be tagging.

Anyways that there is followed shortly after by the level weights, which shows those moons have no weights for at all (all X in the table).

Then later this shows up, which is what caught my attention in the first place:

[19:25:22.3464578] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Level with planet name 52-Desperation was not found - setting to None.
[19:25:22.3464578] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Level with planet name 42 Nephrite was not found - setting to None.
[19:25:22.3464578] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Level with planet name 74 Veld was not found - setting to None.
[19:25:22.3464578] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Level with planet name 85 Reign was not found - setting to None.
[19:25:22.3464578] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Level with planet name 93 Thallasic was not found - setting to None.
[19:25:22.3464578] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Level with planet name 23 Symbiosis was not found - setting to None.

Any idea whats causing that? I assume its the lack of level weights, but I was under the impression that Registry would fall back to the default weights when it has no level specific weights or a blacklist that tells it to avoid certain weathers for certain moons.

For some extra context: Switching to the vanilla weather picker mode in Registry works fine and assigns random weathers properly to those moons, but im curious about my options here since not having the weight system available at all would be a bummer.

[drowsy willow]

that specific logs are there because you're loading the save that didn't have those levels when the weathers were picked

could you send me the whole log?

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherRegistry/blob/main/WeatherRegistry%2FDefinitions%2FCurrentWeathers.cs#L177

[queen shadow]

Here or DM? need to know if i gotta quickly nuke my name from the log lol

[drowsy willow]

it's a fallback mechanic to make sure that every level has a weather defined by Registry

[drowsy willow]

you can DM me with them, I'll check them later

[queen shadow]

for anyone wanting a followup; the issue was solved by making a new save file.

Me and mrov discussed in dms, the gist is:

• the "setting to none" was a fallback mechanism that triggered because the moons didnt exist before (added to existing save) so it had no "previous weather data" to load for them from the save
• this fallback occured multiple times for some reason and we're kinda unsure why
• we're blaming it on weirdness with the save file, likely from being used for debugging/testing instead of gameplay conditions
  • the issue wouldve resolved itself when you get game-over'ed
• can't really find out what was wrong with the save as I deleted it to test if making a new one worked, which it did - this had the same effect as getting game-over as described above.

[broken gull]

hey there, im not really sure whats happening, but i updated weather tweaks from 0.5.2 to 1.1.2 and weather multipliers dont seem to work. i'm not sure if its something on your end or if its just mod overload (shouldnt be, 170 is a lot but none change weather i believe).

[drowsy willow]

you're using central config

good luck

[viral tree]

Does it happens with LethalQuantities too?

[drowsy willow]

does LQ modify weather multipliers?

last i've checked it didn't

[viral tree]

Oh then it doesn't
Nvm

It does modify scrap multiplier but doesn't depend on the weather

[hollow yoke]

@drowsy willow you dont have a forum post for this mod, so ill just mention it here
also, wont be surprised if you dont want to update it
referring to lightsout, the light being disabled is client sided, and wont apply unless you are the one dropping the light producing item in the ship
it also doesnt work for the capsules from usualscrap or the mysterious crystal from the moon catalyst for some reason

[drowsy willow]

I know it's busted, it's on my list, earliest ETA is early April because I'm in the process of moving out 😅

[broken gull]

ah, oops. thank you

my apologies

[ember island]

can i somehow apply the "fixed" weather behavior on an existing save?

and does the scrap multiplier conflict with lgu?

[drowsy willow]

1. no
2. probably (not)? haven't tested, not sure

to expand on (1): Registry is setting clear weather on every moon that wasn't present when the weathers were rolled

so when you close the save, add moons and start that save again they're gonna be without any weather

and after the next day it's gonna work normally

[ember island]

so if i just play a day it gets fixed?

because i play with wesleys moons and i dont think there is a way to keep unlocks

the main reason why i added this mod is because the the vanilla weather system does not work with the amount of modded moons i have

there are only like 3-5 clear moons out of 30

💀

[drowsy willow]

yes

the next day everything should work normally

[ember island]

but it still does not behave the way it would on a new save

the left image is from my old save and the right is a fresh one

[drowsy willow]

1st day never has uncertain weathers and more moons are clear

[ember island]

yeah that is from my existing save

it seems to work normally after getting fired once

[ember island]

according to my tests it seems to not conflict (scrap multipliers from both mods stack)

[obtuse ocean]

Where are the weather multipliers located at for Weather Registry?