Weather Registry / Weather Tweaks / mrov

[gray thicket]

Do they show in the terminal or is it only when you land?

[drowsy willow]

in terminal and on the screen

[radiant reef]

are the combined weathers and progressing weathers supposed to be part of the experimental version released yesterday?

[drowsy willow]

oh god

are they really not there?

[radiant reef]

they weren't there in the sesh i had yesterday. just the normal weathers

[gray thicket]

Still not seeing any unfortunately. I do see the 50/50 uncertain ones but that's always just one of them.

[drowsy willow]

oh, alrighty

must've messed something up - will fix that

[arctic grotto]

@drowsy willow What mod shows logs in game?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1268941256654848164/1271741252534272111/togif.gif

[drowsy willow]

you're talking about the console? 😅

[arctic grotto]

I mean that one

[drowsy willow]

oooh, that's just my OBS overlay for recording

for me it's still two windows 🥲

[arctic grotto]

damn

[drowsy willow]

okay, i've just confirmed it - those weather weren't actually created lmao

amazing

[drowsy willow]

WeatherTweaksExperimental 0.23.1

• fixed an issue where special weathers weren't properly registered

[gray thicket]

[gray thicket]

So does this fix the combined weathers?

[drowsy willow]

it should

let me know if there are any issues

[gray thicket]

I've noticed no difference to the previous version so far 🤔

Tried regenerating the configs too

[gray thicket]

Ok I took a look at the logs and think I know why they don't appear.

The changing and combined weathers do exist, but they all have a weight of 0.

Tried inserting some of them manually into the WeatherRegistry config, doesn't seem to work. Weights remain at 0 according to the console.

[drowsy willow]

I'll push a patch tomorrow, that's very weird

[ancient depot]

Glad to see the return of WeatherTweaks is going about how we both said it would Mrov

XD

[drowsy willow]

it's going far better than my expectations tbh

[gray thicket]

I'm happy enough to just have uncertain weathers back tbh 😍

[ancient depot]

True :3 mine too but we both did expect it to break at least lol

[nocturne lily]

are the combined weathers supposed to show up in registry?

[lapis fractal]

So the experimental weather thing. Can I combine all weathers included modded into one amalgamation?

[nocturne lily]

can't speak for mrov but at the moment it looks like no, unless that's what the ">Madness>" one is

the options atm look more like combining 2 or 3, or transitioning from one into another

[nocturne lily]

the weather selections in this log should be all of them available right now

[lapis fractal]

I'm trying like everyone I can do and not finding anything about combined weathers in the config

[nocturne lily]

i'm not getting them either, its either not implemented yet or isn't supposed to show in registry

[gray thicket]

The screenshot doesn't show all of them because not all of them get called for every moon it seems. But there are all double and triple combinations and all combinations for one weather changing to the other.

[nocturne lily]

oh gotcha

i guess cus if it showed all of them it would be an unreasonable amount of logspam

[gray thicket]

I mean there already is because it makes that list for every moon whenever you enter orbit. I'm assuming some are exclusive to some moons or it's just random.

[drowsy willow]

Not every moon can have every weather, and weathertweaks picks which combined weathers will show up based on the moon's possible weathers

for example: titan will never have a flooded weather

[gray thicket]

I see.

So is this purely based on vanilla values or does it draw from the weights specified in WeatherRegistry?

[nocturne lily]

was boutta ask this too

it's based on registry right?

[drowsy willow]

it checks if every weather type it wants to enable is defined in randomWeathers, but it uses WeatherRegistry weights in the selection afterwards

at least it's supposed to

special weathers use this for determining their weight - do you think that the normal "default weight" slider would be better for it?

[dire gust]

Is it intended that Tweaks is logging the currently orbited moon's weather multiple times a second?

[drowsy willow]

OH GOD

oh no

[drowsy willow]

could you send me your log?

[drowsy willow]

oh, that

[gray thicket]

Just wanna say that is definitely not happening for me.

[drowsy willow]

i'll remove that, thanks for pointing this out

[nocturne lily]

Forgive me if I'm getting it all wrong, but earlier you posted a picture of the stacking weathers showing up in something like registry, is that how it's gonna be controlled? Or will there be some other way to configure it? Thinking about it cus I'd like to set certain combinations more/less likely for individual moons

[drowsy willow]

yeah, all weathers created by weathertweaks are controlled from Registry config

Thinking about it cus I'd like to set certain combinations more/less likely for individual moons

i have not thought of that - let me check how messy it's gonna be in Registry

[nocturne lily]

Gotcha

I'm also a bit intrigued by the madness weather, unless that's a secret

[drowsy willow]

let's call it a test

it's everything, switching between each other frequently 🤭

[nocturne lily]

Oof

Might be perfect for something like Penumbra

[drowsy willow]

alright, it's not bad

[drowsy willow]

🤭

[manic cobalt]

dunno the context so might not be relevant but is > config friendly?

[drowsy willow]

i'll check that right now

[nocturne lily]

Within quotations it should be fine right?

[drowsy willow]

would you look at that

alrighty, i'll change "weight modifier" to a normal "default weight" and i'll add level weights to special weathers

lmao the weight modifier wasn't actually used

that's why everything was 0

fuuuuck

that's better

[gray thicket]

👀 👀 👀

This is gonna take a long time to tweak everything to my liking but I can't wait

[drowsy willow]

this is better

maybe

WeatherTweaksExperimental 0.23.2

• made sure WeatherTweaks weathers are registered before Registry initialization
• changed configs: WeatherTweaksWeather uses DefaultWeight instead of WeightModify
• changed some logs

i hope that the weathers will register properly and you can play on them 😇

[gray thicket]

Works 😃

[drowsy willow]

yippee 🎉

oh dear, it's a lot of them

[gray thicket]

One other thing though, no weather to weather weighs for the special ones? 😕

[drowsy willow]

no

at least not yet

😅

[gray thicket]

Alright haha, not an oversight then 😄

[drowsy willow]

i don't think that adding all possible config entries is necessary, but on the other hand i know that there are people who like configuring things to a crazy degree

[gray thicket]

Idk how much work that part is, I'm asking mainly because I use that feature a lot for my pack.

[drowsy willow]

and every special weather having 8 config entries would make a big file 😅

[gray thicket]

I'm trying to get a somewhat realistic weather progression across days, i.e. Cloudy is more likely to result in rainy/stormy the next day, etc.

[drowsy willow]

i'll tinker with it to find a nice solution

[nocturne lily]

I don't think X > Y configs are as necessary, the combined ones are nice

[gray thicket]

Could always make a second config file that only generates if a box is ticked in the main one

[nocturne lily]

And don't the base weathers have a thing on the bottom of their tab for how likely they are to move into another one? Or is that something else

[drowsy willow]

they do, but this is about special weathers

[gray thicket]

Wait, do you reckon I can add special weathers to the existing vanilla weather to weather weights?

[nocturne lily]

Is there a way to have the transition ones marked as the 2nd weather when calculating that?

[drowsy willow]

no, they are separate ones 😅

[gray thicket]

ah, rip

[drowsy willow]

what do you mean by that?

[nocturne lily]

If you have weather like None > Rainy, then when it calculates the chances for what weather comes next, it uses the weights assigned under Rainy

[gray thicket]

omg the uncertainty even interacts with the special weathers

[drowsy willow]

i'm pretty sure that shouldn't happen 😳

😅

[drowsy willow]

hmmm

[drowsy willow]

i don't think so

[gray thicket]

it's even better though, assuming it works like it says on the tin

[drowsy willow]

because None>Rainy and Rainy are two separate weather conditions, defined separately and with separate configs

their weight settings won't mix

[nocturne lily]

And I'm guessing there's no way to manually change the weather state before it calculates the weights

Like you can't tell the game it was actually Rainy all along right before it calculates

[drowsy willow]

i'm trying to think of a way to achieve that

[trail lark]

@drowsy willow do you have "recommended" scrap amount multipliers for vanilla weathers in mind?

[drowsy willow]

other than defining default weather-weather weights? i don't think it's easily doable

[drowsy willow]

i've had them somewhere, let me check

[nocturne lily]

I imagine trying to change them forcefully outside of when they're supposed to change naturally will break something horribly

[manic cobalt]

crazy how your reward for adding more config features is requests for more config features

[drowsy willow]

that's how it goes 😭

[trail lark]

Forbidden fruit.

[drowsy willow]

yeah, exactly

[gray thicket]

That's just the obsessive in me talking. What we have with this already is incredible in it's own right so I can't complain 😛

[drowsy willow]

that's value multipliers, i'm using the same amount multipliers as MeteoMultiplier did

[trail lark]

Hm, okay. Different question though. How are vanilla weathers sorted by severity in WR? For example when it comes to colouring them on monitor? Same as on that table?

[drowsy willow]

those colors are predefined

[trail lark]

Okay, thanks!

[drowsy willow]

no worries 😇

[dire gust]

What's Cloudy? A weaker fog?

[drowsy willow]

clear weather with darker skybox

[keen palm]

So like eclipsed without a moon covering the sun, without the music and without increased monster spawns?

[drowsy willow]

something like that, yeah 🤭

[worldly sleet]

no it's just the cloudy skybox from stormy/rainy/flooded

[gray thicket]

Just got this error when when trying to route to Assurance.

Ship never "arrives" and the lever can't be pulled, but I can still use the terminal to select other planets so nothing game breaking.

Here's more context for the log, the error message happens instead of the usual "Getting display weather string for planet" message. I was trying to route to Assurance inbetween Experimentation and Vow as seen here.

Fully aware that this could just be a mod conflict, let me know if you want me to send my code. I'll try reproducing it without other mods as well.

[drowsy willow]

Oh dear

Do you - by any chance - have the full log from that session?

[gray thicket]

Yes

[drowsy willow]

Thanks, I'll check it when I'm back home

[nocturne lily]

do the combined weathers pool the value modifiers from their respective weathers? i landed on offense with rainy+stormy+flooded, and each item was near or over 200 value

was kinda surprised to get a 5.7k value offense but if they do pool modifiers i'll just rebalance the base weathers' values

[dire gust]

Oh are they multiplicative instead of additive? Hmmm

[nocturne lily]

i'm not sure

[gray thicket]

Yeah I noticed rather high scrap values as well, come to think of it.

[dire gust]

Scrap*1.4*1.4*1.2 for example is very different from scrap*(1+.4+.4+.2)... not sure what your values are though to guess which variety

[drowsy willow]

        foreach (Weather weather in this.Weathers)
        {
          Data.valueMultiplier += weather.ScrapValueMultiplier * 0.45f;
          Data.spawnMultiplier += weather.ScrapAmountMultiplier * 0.45f;
        }

it's additive: (scrap value multiplier * 0.45) for every weather type present

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherRegistry/blob/main/WeatherRegistry%2FPatches%2FSpawnScrapInLevel.cs#L34

there should be something like this in your log - check what's being printed there

[dire gust]

Should the *.45 not be being applied after they're all added together? Having difficulty visualizing the math

[nocturne lily]

so it'll take some adjusting for the scrap values

my current setups for eclipse + rain + storm yields a 1.55x modifier for value

[dire gust]

Oh nvm they're equal regardless of order

[gray thicket]

Working on a little sheet thing to more easily calculate weights for the config

[harsh flicker]

So, so real
I kinda did the same with a spreadsheet, made charts to show the weather --> weather chances more easily for people

So they can then (within reason) predict what the next weather will be

and i dont even have combined weathers yet 💔

[drowsy willow]

😳

🥹

the spreadsheets ❤️

[gray thicket]

Yeah, the problem right now is the fact that the special weathers don't support weather 2 weather weights, so whatever their default weight is is always added to the pool. My goal is to boil them down, put them side by side with the w2w weights you can control, and hopefully provide somewhat of an idea of the chances you'll encounter any given weather, be it individual or part of a special.

[harsh flicker]

Damm

[drowsy willow]

alrighty

i'll tinker with it tomorrow, i'm too tired to do that today 🥺

[gray thicket]

Hey, no rush lol. I'm happy to work around whatever works best for the mod 🙂

And I think by going quite high with the W2W weights I'll be able to get more or less what I'm looking for.

[tired kernel]

What is Madness supposed to be?

I haven't seen that one yet

[gray thicket]

Progressing weather from Eclipsed > Stormy > Rainy I think

don't remember if that was the order or if by some magic it's always different

[tired kernel]

It's from the Experimental or Beta version?

[gray thicket]

Experimental

[dire gust]

Is it not just stacking every weather possible?

[gray thicket]

nope, it's progressing

[harsh flicker]

Is there any way to get DustClouds to spawn on vanilla moons?
I've set the weight very high and whitelisted it along with some modded moons like Arcadia and Seichi
Rn they are always DustClouds as a result, but the vanilla ones aren't

[bleak quarry]

Iirc its not a weather but its an effect that experimentation uses

[nocturne lily]

experimentation is able to activate it by using reverb triggers iirc

[drowsy willow]

You can't set them through the Registry config, that's by design

if you want to add them to the random weathers pool, you can call WeatherController.AddRandomWeather (https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherRegistry/blob/main/WeatherRegistry%2FWeatherController.cs#L78-L90)

[gray thicket]

I feel like I've seen them pop up on vanilla moons, I'd have to confirm though 🤔

Like, as a condition on the terminal not just as the normal experimentation visual

[dire gust]

I often see DustClouds as a weather on some moons like Olympus yeah

[drowsy willow]

Registry won't add vanilla weathers to randomWeathers

[drowsy willow]

could be tbh

depends on what the moon creator picked as "possible" weathers

[gray kayak]

yeah there's a few modded moons that have Dust Clouds as a possible weather

[keen palm]

Can’t you set dustclouds to spawn in weathertweaks?

[drowsy willow]

no

[harsh flicker]

Sounds like a rather simple mod, i could have a go at it sometime maybe
I am just struggling for time atm cuz all the bingo stuff

[ancient depot]

Whenever you get the weighting issue fixed with Experimental I would love to test it for you btw, been waiting cus I've been seeing the bug reports but I do miss the tweaks lol

[drowsy willow]

WeatherRegistry 0.3.5

• added compatibility for JLL's WeatherOverride (thanks, @queen crystal !)
• WeatherRegistry will now disable weather effects during weather registration (thanks, @arctic grotto !)
• fixed Registry destroying WeatherTweaks special weathers during lobby reload
• changed some file names

[azure dirge]

so it works with WeatherProbe again??????????????????questionmark?????????

[drowsy willow]

naurrrrr 😦

[azure dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-head-bang-banging-head-against-gif-12099333

kk

[drowsy willow]

i'll try to send Spike a PR today

have to finish Tweaks' update first 🤭

[azure dirge]

fair. at least it's only one pack im holding the mod back on

my other pack doesnt probe

[drowsy willow]

🥺

[thorny salmon]

does it allow an update of the weather while the ship has landed?

[drowsy willow]

as in changing the weather effects?

WeatherTweaksExperimental 0.24.0

Please re-generate your configs!

• changed config entry names
• added an option to generate all hidden config entries for special weathers (thanks, @gray thicket !)
• updated how picked weathers are displayed
• re-introduced foggy patch ||with a twist||

[thorny salmon]

last time i asked this #1203871322841808906 message

[drowsy willow]

oh god, that

umm

[thorny salmon]

hmmmmm?

[drowsy willow]

WeatherController.SetWeatherEffects(LevelWeatherType weatherType) should do the trick

i'm not checking if the ship has landed tho, so if you really have to do it during landing, it would look like this:

WeatherRegistry.EventManager.ShipLanding.AddListener(args => WeatherRegistry.WeatherController.SetWeatherEffects(LevelWeatherType.None));

with you replacing None with the desired weather type

[gray thicket]

You are simply the best.

[thorny salmon]

Oh ok so this properly change the weather of the actual moon while players are still on that moon?

[drowsy willow]

when this is called on host it will synchronize which weather effects everyone sees

if you want to change all the currentWeather fields, call WeatherController.ChangeCurrentWeather()

[thorny salmon]

Ok, thanks im gonna test this tomorrow

[drowsy willow]

i'm not sure what you mean by weighting issue, but i'm pretty sure it's fixed now 🤭

[ancient depot]

Where they were all being set to 0, saw you talk about it the other day

XD

[drowsy willow]

fixed

default weights are no longer 0

and if you really want to, you can set them manually

[tall gyro]

i say the same, but then disaster falls right after

[thorny salmon]

this is not good, this change the weather to every moon every time the ship is landing

but i have an idea to make it work, let me try that

[thorny salmon]

no it's not working

You didnt add the checks you were talking about there? #1203871322841808906 message

[drowsy willow]

okay, I'm sure I've misunderstood you yesterday

what exactly are you trying to achieve?

[thorny salmon]

ok lol

so

basically, i have ocarina's song of storms, when you play it outside the weather will change to stormy. This works in vanilla but when WeatherRegistery is installed, going in and out of the facility will reset the weather to the original weather. You said it was because with WeatherRegistery changing any vanilla fields will not do anything, and you have a patch for when you enter/exit the facility to properly set the active weather effects.
Im searching a way to make a weather change properly work with WeatherRegistery when the ship has already landed, so a way to change the current weather and having it saved in weather registery currentweathers fields so its not reseted every time a player enter/exit the facility

[drowsy willow]

alrighty

[drowsy willow]

if you want to do it after you've landed, just use this

if you want to do it before you started landing, the best bet would be to change the weather type altogether

I'll add the checks I've been talking about today, maybe it's gonna make it easier 😅

[thorny salmon]

ok trying it

[drowsy willow]

this should enable the weather effect when you're outside, and shouldn't start the rain when you're inside

[thorny salmon]

ok i think it's working, i need to do more test but it looks fine

[drowsy willow]

if you're using unityexplorer, check what's showing up in WeatherManager.CurrentEffectTypes

if it's there, it's enabled

[thorny salmon]

ok

[thorny salmon]

when changing the weather outside it's perfect but rain does spawn inside for people that are already inside the facility

[drowsy willow]

fuck

[thorny salmon]

SetWeatherEffects is synced?

[drowsy willow]

will fix that today

[drowsy willow]

SetWeatherEffects is synced, yes

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherRegistry/blob/main/WeatherRegistry%2FWeatherController.cs#L105-L108

[thorny salmon]

oh ok, this means i need to change something so just the host use this, one moment

[drowsy willow]

If you want just one client to have different effects, call this: https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherRegistry/blob/main/WeatherRegistry%2FWeatherEffectController.cs#L86-L90

[thorny salmon]

having only one client have different effects is not what i want to do buuuuut this can be fun to use to troll people lol

[drowsy willow]

you'd have to RPC that yourself so it's called on host, yeah

[thorny salmon]

yeah ez, im trying it now

yeah ok same thing, working but create rain for people already in the facility

[drowsy willow]

I'll fix that later today

OOPSIE

[thorny salmon]

lol ok thanks

[thorny salmon]

you know what, i think im gonna troll emergency dice users with this

ah @drowsy willow

when the weather is flooded, and the weather is changed to something else with SetWeatherEffects all players that were deep in water, or walking on low level water, will be stuck infinitely in water even if the water is visually gone

you need to call this

if (originalWeather == LevelWeatherType.Flooded)
{
    var player = GameNetworkManager.Instance.localPlayerController;
    player.isUnderwater = false;
    player.sourcesCausingSinking = Mathf.Clamp(player.sourcesCausingSinking - 1, 0, 100);
    player.isMovementHindered = Mathf.Clamp(player.isMovementHindered - 1, 0, 100);
    player.hinderedMultiplier = 1f;
}

[drowsy willow]

i love lethal company

will add that, thanks 😅

how did I not find this sooner 🥲

[thorny salmon]

lmao probably because you never tried to change the weather while the ship was already landed

[drowsy willow]

weathertweaks has progressing weathers since April 😭

buuut I might've never tried that combo

[thorny salmon]

ah yes 😂

[drowsy willow]

don't know how I didn't stumble upon that yet

but I'll fix that ASAP

[drowsy willow]

yes

i think

[abstract pivot]

maybe™️

[drowsy willow]

🤭

[drowsy willow]

WeatherRegistry 0.3.6

• redone patch for LobbyControl's lobby clear command (fixes #11)
• renamed WeatherManager.currentWeathers to WeatherManager.CurrentWeathers (again) in a backwards-compatible way
• added a check to WeatherController.ChangeWeather to prevent setting weather effects while in orbit
• fixed an issue with SunAnimator not changing animator clip for clear weather (thanks, @thorny salmon!)
• fixed an issue with setting new weather effects while inside a dungeon (thanks, @thorny salmon!)

[lapis fractal]

Can we name the combined weathers?

[leaden flume]

rainy + stormy + flooded = deluge

downpour works better actually

[lapis fractal]

Like I'd like to name the combination of all weathers something like Calamity/Catastrophic. That or Incursion

But like if there is, that would be option so we can name them

[drowsy willow]

there's no option to do that

and i'm not sure if i'll be adding that

🥺

[lapis fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/pgr-rosetta-outro-reverse-goodbye-chat-gif-24346443

[severe pelican]

Perhaps down the line would be cool if there's a practical way to implement

Hello chat

[drowsy willow]

other than making that custom weather combo yourself (which you can name yourself) i don't see a reason or a way to include that functionality

because i'm not gonna clutter every single config in existence for options that 2 people use

  internal class CombinedWhatever : WeatherTweaks.Definitions.Types.CombinedWeatherType
  {
    public CombinedWhatever ()
      : base("Whatever name you want", [LevelWeatherType.Stormy, LevelWeatherType.Rainy, LevelWeatherType.Flooded]) { }
  }

that's how you can make it yourself

[azure dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-kitty-peeking-gif-22025315

[drowsy willow]

looks like i broke centralconfig

i'll send them a PR with the fix

oopsie

[severe pelican]

I did say if practical, personally not a big deal to me lol

But ty for the info

[drowsy willow]

no worries

i'm all for adding more customization to the final experience

but i have to draw the line somewhere before it's gonna get impractical to handle

[severe pelican]

Yeah np I get that

[pine fox]

Thank you, I’ll do that when I’m home, no idea when I’m leaving

[dire gust]

Oh dear LGU's Midas Touch multiplies against the weather... I might need to debuff that

[knotty dove]

So for some reason the Weather Registry's scrap multiplier is causing the Apparatus spawn on the flesh interior to break.

[drowsy willow]

which version of CentralConfig are you using?

[knotty dove]

It appears to be v0.15.6

[drowsy willow]

update to v0.15.7, it has a fix for that issue 😅

[knotty dove]

Will do! Thank you so much

[drowsy willow]

no worries 😅

[azure dirge]

delivering gargantuan apparatus

[lapis fractal]

from what I saw flesh interior app looks normal

like is it's app unique?

Haven't been there in awhile

[knotty dove]

It's a regular Apparatus, just a unique machine it's connected to. I was investigating a bug report I was given that was apparently before the v0.15.7 update that fixed it

[winter silo]

Hey all, I have been having fun with this mod but have been having a problem with trying to do all of what I want with it. I want to use the weighted system to make moons experience weather types they would not in vanilla (Rainy on Rend, Flooded on Titan, etc.) but this does not work, even when I set the appropriate configs to allow for it. Is this a limitation of this mod or am I missing something?

[harsh flicker]

Yeah. Moons are hard coded to only have certain weathers available. There isn't a way to force a weather there thats not there normally without some other kind of mod

All the weather weights does is let you choose how much of each weather appears, out of the ones that can

Ofc modded weathers are the exception, they can be added to any moon i am sure

[gray kayak]

You'd need another mod to make Flooded Titan playable even if you could add it with this lol

[drowsy willow]

Yeah, that's by design - you can't add vanilla weather to a moon that don't have it defined (such as flooded Titan)

[winter silo]

I just found it odd since Imperium lets me change any moon to whatever weather I want, though I guess that is different

[drowsy willow]

if you want to create new randomWeather for levels that don't have them defined, use WeatherController.AddRandomWeather: https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherRegistry/blob/main/WeatherRegistry%2FWeatherController.cs#L88-L100

[drowsy willow]

WeatherTweaksExperimental 0.24.1

• added ||Blackout|| weather
  • ||disables all lights on the planet and in the dungeon||
  • ||makes the floodlight work like real ones||

[obsidian schooner]

||floodlight||?

[harsh flicker]

That sounds really cool, i have been trying to think of concepts of other weathers that could be done, i never thought of that one

[trail lark]

So ||actual Eclipse?||

[drowsy willow]

||the ones on top of the ship|| 😅

[drowsy willow]

it doesn't spawn more monsters (compared to Eclipsed), but it removes ||all lights||

i have a few ideas in terms of tweaking and balance, but some feedback on the current state would be appreciated 😇

[trail lark]

Kind of weird for a weather.

Feels like a malfunction.

[drowsy willow]

i feel like this being a weather event (like the vanilla meteor shower) would be the best application

didn't bother today tho

[harsh flicker]

The implication could be its an EMP or something like that

Or previous weather has damaged the power source nearby

when combined with something like weather to weather weights, where this could follow immediately after Stormy or something, it actually makes alot of sense

at least to me-

[trail lark]

Or a Solar Flare.

I know Solar Flare already exists in another mod. But a blackout version of it makes sense for an event.

[gray thicket]

Can I put special weather weights into the W2W weight config like all others?

[drowsy willow]

yes

without the spaces

it should work

😅

[gray thicket]

Aight 😛

I'm working on the mother of all spreadsheets

[abstract pivot]

whats a vanilla meteor shower

[gray thicket]

Super rare thing that can happen at any time and basically fucks your day by making the outside unsurvivable

that's a bit of an exaggeration but it's tough

[azure dirge]

even better with the real meteor shower provided by CR

[winter silo]

https://youtu.be/RP5POthPVEs?si=7Uykkko-qZDH8cIk

[azure dirge]

2 colors are better than 1

just ask a zebra

[drowsy willow]

😇

[abstract pivot]

i hate that new icon

[drowsy willow]

😔

[abstract pivot]

u cnat please everyone

[lapis fractal]

YOOOO this sounds sick. I was playing around with weathers yesterday

[lapis fractal]

I'll try it out and give some feedback since I'm a chill guy

[obsidian schooner]

Interesting the new weather

[lapis fractal]

Was about to say looks brighter for me but it was because I was on a small moon

[lapis fractal]

I like the new weather. honestly I wish the color in the sky and the SUPER dim lights in the interiors where almost black (could just be modded interiors) instead of just a simple light removal. That way we are forced to use flashlights inside and outside would give a different feel rather then just dark outside

Idk I only tried one moon with it, and it was a small moon with a modded interior. I'll continue to try it out

[drowsy willow]

the moment i figure out how to actually use Unity (saving and loading bundles) i'll make the sky pitch-black

aand from my small playsession: i'll definitely reduce floodlight's range

[lapis fractal]

THANK YOU!!! honestly cool weather and the black letters for the name is a chef's kiss.

https://tenor.com/view/its-freaking-awesome-its-amazing-its-great-i-love-it-its-dope-gif-16826952

[gray thicket]

This is what eclipse should look like tbh

[manic cobalt]

huh

What don’t you know

[nocturne lily]

kinda looks like how some custom moons had no light sources when the game updated to v60

[daring pivot]

It's not too bad, this is how I'm loading some assets/prefabs for Bozoros:

Can do any Unity object pretty much

[drowsy willow]

oh, and the path has to match the one in editor?

[drowsy willow]

what do i know 😭

[daring pivot]

There's probably a way to do it relative actually, but I just have the full path there

Hmm, you know what I just noticed the inconsistency of having Path.Combine() for the bundle itself, but not using it for the actual asset paths lol

[manic cobalt]

Whatever floats your boat but in my experience a really nice reliable workflow is to create a manifest esque thing out of a ScriptableObject and store your references there. that way your not reliant on hardcoded pathing.

eg.

public class BozorosAssetManifest : ScriptableObject

[field: SerializeField] private GameObject GrabbableBalloon {get; private set; }

public static class BozorosAssetLoader

private static void LoadAssets()

AssetBundle myBundle = AssetBundle.LoadFromFile(etc.);
BozorosAssetManifest manifest = myBundle?.LoadAsset<BozorosAssetManifest>().First();
GameObject balloonPrefab = manifest?.GrabbableBalloon;

[drowsy willow]

oooooh, that's clever

so by loading your entire asset into a "manifest" class you only reference those paths once, correct?

since everything else is a property of that

[manic cobalt]

don't even need to hardcode the path to the manifest because you can work under the assumption at least 1 of them exists and you only care about that one so you can just load it up by type. singleton esque

[drowsy willow]

because it's a scriptableobject and it's gonna be instantiated somewhere, right

that's clever

[manic cobalt]

In Bozoros's case you can even skip a step by storing it in the lethalbundle and requesting a callback for it 😛

[daring pivot]

I tried that actually, couldn't figure out the whole streaming asset thing...

[manic cobalt]

It's just an asset that exists in the bundle like anything else. You can get all of a given asset type from a bundle via the generic function

eg. you'd make the scriptableobject in editor

[raw bloom]

Oh... that's WeatherRegistry resetting the weather upon reloading the game again
I'll send a log whenever I encounter it once more, 0193ade9-0dbc-d124-bb4f-b6951ded5d3c

[drowsy willow]

resetting in what sense?

i know that after firing sequence the weathers are loaded from a save file instead of being rolled

is that it?

[raw bloom]

Vow was clear last time I checked my save file, but now it's stormy

[daring pivot]

I guess it just depends on organization preference, I have custom enemy skins' component references in the same class as the skins themselves, so as to call something like ClownGiant.ClownHair, though I'm also handling skins purely from code

[drowsy willow]

oh god

nooo 😦

[raw bloom]

Immersive real-time weather

TulipAgony

[daring pivot]

Probably did it wrong actually... now that I think about it I'm not sure if I registered a callback

[drowsy willow]

if you ever get that again, send me the logs - i have no clue why that woud happen 😔

[raw bloom]

👍

[daring pivot]

Randomized seed on lobby start maybe?

[raw bloom]

I wonder if it's that

That config setting of ButteryFixes' fucking /w WeatherRegistry

Ohhh Mrovvvvv

Where are the stormy particles?~

[nocturne lily]

it shouldn't do that on a saved game though, its supposed to read weathers from the save file

[daring pivot]

@manic cobalt Ah, found how I was trying to do it from an older commit

Yeah LoadAsset() threw an error due to it being a "streaming" AssetBundle or something... if I recall correctly

[manic cobalt]

I think this is one of those things where it's just something no one ever reported to me lmao

You may be the first moon user to try and use it

the extendedmod callback should work

it's failing because you can't call that on the scene bundle that might be getting passed in through the lethalbundle callback

[daring pivot]

Also I am using the ExtendedMod callback to add an event to toggle a thing lol

[daring pivot]

Ohh, so it should be fine if I just switch to the ExtendedMod lethalbundle?

[manic cobalt]

Yeah if I'm not a fuckwit the ExtendedMod callback would just be the bundle that contains your ExtendedMod (or ExtendedLevel)

which is not the streaming one

[drowsy willow]

hmm

[drowsy willow]

I'll get back to you tomorrow (cause I really need to sleep 😭) - I've tried to create a sun animator clip, bundle it and load it into my mod, but I'm still in the process of going through the tutorials 😅

[manic cobalt]

ya feel free to bother me slightly busy but will do my best to respond

[drowsy willow]

after 10 months of trying I've managed to run the LC patcher without any errors 😂

[manic cobalt]

yoooo

hopefully Piggy is next 😭

[drowsy willow]

I definitely will, thanks a lot 😇

[gray thicket]

Ok so some thoughts and probably far too wishful ideas on the ||Blackout||:

||1. Tying it to the actual facility power (if somehow possible) would be nice. For example, in vanilla, turning off the power via breaker or apparatus opens all secure doors. Currently, the breaker box hums but doesn't do anything, and secure doors are still active and controllable via the terminal. This would also be friendly to mods like BlackoutHazards.||
||2. Apparatus currently still glows but doesn't give off any light, which feels weird. I think it'd make sense to either have it emit light or disable the glow entirely. Or perhaps even disable the apparatus as a mechanic entirely and have it just be a worthless casing?||
||3. Nighttime enemies should definitely spawn at this light level in my opinion.||
||4. I know lore isn't in the scope of this mod, but maybe it would make more sense to disable the sun completely instead of eclipsing it. That way, perhaps the event could be explained as some kind of hazardous ash cloud that covers the sky and interferes with electronics (would also feel more like actual "weather" this way).||

[lapis fractal]

I hope the breaker box doesn't work in the blackout, didn't think to check

[gray thicket]

It's weirdly broken right now

Still hums, but the switches don't do anything.

[lapis fractal]

That's good!

I prefer that actually

it would kinda defeat the blackout purpose

if it did work

[gray thicket]

I do too, but I think the facility power is still technically "on", as evidenced by the doors.

[dire gust]

Do flashlights still work at least?

[gray thicket]

They work, yeah.

[light furnace]

What moon is this??

[obsidian schooner]

Quasara, made by PowerFull

[light furnace]

Awesome! Thank you!

[raw bloom]

Rainy breaks in spectate, too

I'm also wondering if WeatherReg is also the mod causing the int to flash

[junior ginkgo]

Who's flickering the lights..

[gray thicket]

I've seen the former, couldn't reproduce it though. Never seen that interior flashing though.

[dire gust]

Ghost

[daring pivot]

Huh, the ||blackout|| doesn't seem to be that effective on Bozoros due to textures being emissive lol (I set it to be "Eclipsed" intentionally, could have something to do with it)

Might do a thing to turn off the christmas lights and stuff when it picks that weather lol

Once I figure out compatibility...

[tall gyro]

wait thats actually fire

||i loved total darkness from diversity, but my friends hated that it's always on, so this is a nice compromise where it only sometimes happens, and you can avoid the planet if you choose to||

[daring pivot]

||Just noticed I was supposed to spoiler stuff related to the blackout weather... I'm also unable to retroactively spoiler images||

[severe pelican]

Holy moly, is this a vanilla moon?

[obsidian schooner]

nope

[severe pelican]

Looks fire. May I know the source?

[obsidian schooner]

.

[drowsy willow]

Hey, thanks for your feedback!

1. it's by design - the "power" is on, but all lights are off and the breaker box is non-functional
2. that's something i've encountered as well - some lights still have the emmisive texture when they're off, making them slightly dim - I'll try to make an exception for the apparatus
3. Oh, definitely
4. It's planned

[drowsy willow]

WeatherRegistry 0.3.7

• fixed WeatherRegistry using saved weathers after getting fired (thanks, @ancient depot !)

WeatherTweaksBeta 0.24.2

• changes to Blackout:
  • fixed errors during game startup
  • apparatus lights won't be disabled anymore
  • fixed breaker box being non-functional and throwing errors
    • i was trying to destroy the breakerbox object, which caused errors
    • now the breaker box will be inactive
  • reduced the range of floodlights
• (hopefully) fixed all issues with progressing weathers changing during the landing

WeatherTweaksExperimental 10.0.0

• deprecated: switch to Beta branch for the lastest version

[drowsy willow]

hey, this should be fixed in latest version

[raw bloom]

Wtf do you mean message could not be loaded 😭

Restarting rq

Oh ok

Cool

IkHappy

[drowsy willow]

@wicked latch 🥺 https://github.com/WhiteSpike/Weather-Probe/pull/1

also obligatory mention for @azure dirge

[wicked latch]

Nom.

Reviewed it.

[raw bloom]

Girl is skedaddling

https://tenor.com/view/alliumghosts-run-running-away-hamster-fast-gif-22915344

[drowsy willow]

🎉 yippee 😇

[lapis fractal]

Hey, I don't know how to get the Madness weather to happen? Could you help?

I set it to like 100000 weight but didn't pop up on my first try. If you do happen to respond, I'm going to quickly try it again

[trail lark]

BetaWeatherTweaksBeta

Is it named like that so that people surely don't miss the fact that it's beta?

[lapis fractal]

Maybe it's a work in progress of a beta lol

[raw bloom]

Mrov... I'm sorry

😭

When you exit out of a rainy lobby, the effect remains despite the rain itself not being there

[lapis fractal]

Can someone help me out with the vanilla weathers? In weather regirstry, all weathers seem to have weights and has a low chance to become a different weather. Like from none to eclisped is pretty low. But on weathertweaks it has the same thing but different. Can someone explain the differences

[azure dirge]

gonna keep askin this. newest update fix the probe compatibility? 🙂

[drowsy willow]

#1203871322841808906 message

[drowsy willow]

how 😆

oh dear

[drowsy willow]

Which version of WeatherTweaks are you using?

[azure dirge]

so... that a yes?
also i didnt get a ping :c

[drowsy willow]

if weather probe updated (I didn't check yet), it's gonna work

[azure dirge]

sadge

[drowsy willow]

it didn't

well

I've done my part 🥲

[azure dirge]

onto pestering spike 😄

[drowsy willow]

I might be dumb - you're talking about the droplets on your helmet or is the effect still active?

[lapis fractal]

I'm using the latest version.

[drowsy willow]

latest of "stable" (https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/WeatherTweaks) or "beta" (https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/BetaWeatherTweaksBeta )?

[raw bloom]

Droplets, yeah

[lapis fractal]

Beta

[drowsy willow]

alright, will add a check for that in next release

[raw bloom]

Swag

[drowsy willow]

and you have weather-weather weights in your WeatherTweaks config?

[lapis fractal]

Well I'm checking real quick. Just realized there is beta and stable. Give me a quick sec.

https://tenor.com/view/ninjala-jane-hacker-hacking-computer-gif-20337624

[lapis fractal]

Okay so I have WeatherTweaks Experimental

oh wait

it's deprecated?

Is there a new one that has the blackout?

OHMYGOSH this is confusing

Okay take a breather

I have betaweathertweaksbeta

[drowsy willow]

i have switched some things today

[lapis fractal]

but for some reason

I also have weathertweaksexperimental?

[drowsy willow]

yes

[lapis fractal]

Which am I supposed to have?

[tired kernel]

The one that's not deprecated lol

[drowsy willow]

the story is as follows: I've made WeatherTweaks a long time ago, developed a fuckton of features inside it and everything was going great

then I thought about making it support modded weathers (and to load them, since LethalLib had severe limitations)

so I've split many features into WeatherRegistry, but didn't update the "stable" Tweaks version to support it

made beta with combined/progressing weathers and many more crazy things

stopped developing that and it broke completely

so I've made another version that was a rewrite of old stuff, made completely on the foundation that is WeatherRegistry

and now I'm going to merge all of those versions into one, because maintaining that hot mess was impossible for me

experimental is gone since all features are on par with beta, more optimized and work without any major issues

[gray thicket]

Remove WeatherTweaksExperimental

Get BetaWeatherTweaksBeta

[drowsy willow]

now I'm gonna merge some things added into Stable in the meantime into Beta, optimize more things and whatever

and then merge that into normal WeatherTweaks

it's a hot garbage mess

but I'm commited to fixing it

[lapis fractal]

Okay I figured everything out

Only registry has the weather to weather thing now

But if you would, how do I get the madness weather to function?

[drowsy willow]

so @lapis fractal: remove Experimental (since all it does rn is install Beta) and everything is gonna work the same moving forward

[lapis fractal]

Thank you, I got it. But what about this madness weather?

[drowsy willow]

that's a good question tbh

is it not showing up?

[lapis fractal]

It says spawn weight of 3 but when bringing it up, I still haven't seen it

[drowsy willow]

what I mean is: if you check your log for weather picking, does it show up anywhere?

[lapis fractal]

Though it's weird cause it's not Madness it's >Madness>

[drowsy willow]

because - sadly - all the weathers that are a part of it (which iirc is all of them) have to be defined by a moon maker to be possible there

so I'm 100% confident it's gonna show up on Experimentation

and I think that's it

I'll have to double-check tho

[lapis fractal]

yes

[lapis fractal]

... Experimentation was the moon I tested it on lmao

it didn't show up

i did show up in the log

[drowsy willow]

weirddd

[lapis fractal]

the place in the config underneath it where I can type stuff is empty

I mean maybe it will show up, I just know i brought the slider up so it would be more common and I still didn't see it

I'llkeep trying though

[drowsy willow]

as I've said: it won't show up on every moon because not every moon can have all the weathers

but keep me posted if something shows up

[lapis fractal]

For sure! 🫡

[ancient depot]

https://www.twitch.tv/lunxara/clip/SteamyInterestingTardigradeGingerPower-2ShmHGdy2DOtSSmL @drowsy willow hours later my mimic brought this back up 😂 Funny as fuck

[lapis fractal]

Do you know how the weather weights work for other weathers? The combined weathers don't have a weather to weather weight

Do they add there weight to any normal weather to weather or just replace the entire chance for let's say a 3% to be this combined weather

[gray thicket]

I think weather to weather weight overrides default weight. No idea how it interacts with moon specific weights though.

[gray thicket]

Also you can enable them in the WeatherTweaks (not Registry) config Set this to true, launch the game and start a lobby once and they will generate.

[lapis fractal]

does that enable weather to weather for the special weathers only?

or does it also make vanilla weather to weather appear in tweaks?

[gray thicket]

They don't appear for you?

[drowsy willow]

it makes all "missing" config entries appear in Registry config

i.e. weather-weather weights for special weathers

[lapis fractal]

ohh okok. Which do you personally recommend? Weather to weather for special weathers or just their weights?

[drowsy willow]

LMAOO when

[lapis fractal]

And do those weights add to weather to weather or just override it with a chance to spawn

[gray thicket]

Are the individual weather weight configs supposed to appear in the Tweaks config? They've all only ever appeared in the Registry config for me O_o

[drowsy willow]

as they should

[drowsy willow]

it's one or the other

so override

[gray thicket]

What about level weights?

[drowsy willow]

all weather-related config entries should appear in Registry config

[lapis fractal]

so eclisped flooded has 10. That mean there is a 10% chance for the weather to spawn or does that mean that it would be added to a weather to weather? Example None@200, Flooded@200, Flooded+Eclipsed@10

trying to understand it lol

[ancient depot]

Just out of nowhere it brought it up like 2-3 hours after you left XD

[gray thicket]

It depends how much you want to customize. If you want full control over which weather has which likelihood to appear after which other weather, use weather to weather weights. If you don't really care to customize that much (aka if you're not crazy), the default weights will work just fine.

[drowsy willow]

that weather will have 10 entries in a pool of weathers that can be picked from

[gray thicket]

Essentially, the more weight, the more likely it gets picked, but it's not a percentage.

[drowsy willow]

I'm not sure if I understand what you're trying to get

[drowsy willow]

exactly

[lapis fractal]

Okay, I'll try to simplify what I'm asking lol

So weather to weather

None's is None@160; Rainy@100; Stormy@70; Flooded@20; Foggy@40; Eclipsed@10;

Let's say Eclisped+Flooded is 10

is that ten added to the list from above?

[gray thicket]

Default weight?

[lapis fractal]

yes

that's what it says

[drowsy willow]

yeah, Eclipsed+Flooded with weight 10 would be added to that pool

[lapis fractal]

Thank you! I understand it now

https://tenor.com/view/ah-ok-i-understand-now-i-understand-skull-gif-25949830

[drowsy willow]

if you're unsure, there's plenty of stuff in the logs that should make it even more clear

that give you feedback in real time

[gray thicket]

But remember, if you add Eclipsed+Flooded@0; to the W2W list, it would override the default weight so the 10 would not count anymore.

[lapis fractal]

If I'm understanding it correctly, I don't think I'll need to add it to a list. I'm going to configure it all rn and see what I can manage up

[gray thicket]

Correct.

Good luck!

[drowsy willow]

[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] -------------
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] 41 Experimentation
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] previousDayWeather: Foggy
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Possible weathers: None; Rainy; Stormy; Foggy; Flooded; Eclipsed; Solar Flare; Heatwave; Cloudy; Blackout
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] None has weather>weather weight 200
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] DustClouds has default weight 100
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Rainy has weather>weather weight 60
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Stormy has weather>weather weight 50
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Foggy has weather>weather weight 30
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Flooded has weather>weather weight 10
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Eclipsed has weather>weather weight 20
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Solar Flare has default weight 100
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Heatwave has default weight 100
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Cloudy has default weight 25
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Blackout has default weight 25
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] None has weather>weather weight 200
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] None has weather>weather weight 200

[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Scaling down clear weather weight from 200 to 172 : (200 * 620 / 720) == 172
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] None has weight 172
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Rainy has weight 60
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Stormy has weight 50
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Foggy has weight 30
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Flooded has weight 10
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Eclipsed has weight 20
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Solar Flare has weight 100
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Heatwave has weight 100
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Cloudy has weight 25
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Blackout has weight 25
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Eclipsed + Flooded has weight 10
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Foggy + Rainy has weight 10
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Stormy + Flooded has weight 10
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Stormy + Rainy has weight 10
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Eclipsed + Rainy has weight 10
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Foggy + Flooded has weight 10
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Foggy + Eclipsed has weight 10
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Stormy + Rainy + Eclipsed has weight 6
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Stormy + Rainy + Flooded has weight 6
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] None > Foggy has weight 15
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] None > Stormy has weight 15
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Eclipsed > Foggy has weight 15
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Foggy > None has weight 30
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Eclipsed > None has weight 30
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Stormy > Rainy has weight 30
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Rainy > Eclipsed has weight 30
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] >Madness> has weight 3
[Warning:   MrovLib] Picked Stormy + Rainy + Eclipsed (WeatherTweaks.CombinedStormyRainyEclipsed) with a roll of 831 out of 842
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Selected weather: Stormy + Rainy + Eclipsed
[Debug  :WeatherTweaks] Chance for that was 6 / 842 (0,7125891%)

so in that example you can easily tell: which weathers are applicable, what are the actually used weights and the final % chance of that happening

[lapis fractal]

why was the weather weight scaled down in the second log?

[drowsy willow]

weathertweaks (tm)

[lapis fractal]

"Scaling down clear weather weight"

Why does it do that though?

[drowsy willow]

that was made with my first version of weather-weather stuff

let me check if i can find the messages from back then

[lapis fractal]

What does this mean?

[drowsy willow]

found it: #1203871322841808906 message

[lapis fractal]

So what it does is it scales weather down if on a moon that can't run a specific weather?

[drowsy willow]

imma be honest

i have no clue how it works right now lol

[lapis fractal]

💀

[drowsy willow]

let me check the code rq

[lapis fractal]

Trying to make it to where all the weathers have an equal chance on all moons. But if these modded weathers are being added, then I need to raise the vanilla weather to weather values so they are still the same chance to be chosen even with modded weathers

[drowsy willow]

        if (ConfigManager.ScaleDownClearWeather.Value && weatherType.VanillaWeatherType == LevelWeatherType.None)
        {
          int clearWeatherWeight = NoneWeather.GetWeight(level);
          int fullWeightSum = weatherTypeWeights.Sum;

          // proportion from clearWeatherWeight / fullWeightsSum
          double noWeatherFinalWeight = clearWeatherWeight * Math.Max(possibleWeathersWeightSum, 1) / Math.Max(fullWeightSum, 1);
          weatherWeight = Convert.ToInt32(noWeatherFinalWeight);

          Logger.LogDebug(
            $"Scaling down clear weather weight from {clearWeatherWeight} to {weatherWeight} : ({clearWeatherWeight} * {possibleWeathersWeightSum} / {fullWeightSum}) == {weatherWeight}"
          );
        }

[lapis fractal]

what does that mean? lol

sorry

[drowsy willow]

wait, did i make my own system wrong for the second time?

bruh

[lapis fractal]

😭

[drowsy willow]

fuck

[lapis fractal]

What did you do wrong?

[drowsy willow]

what i was meant to do is to get every weather's default weight and do a proportion based on that

what i'm doing is getting current planet's weathers and doing a proportion on that

[lapis fractal]

So I think I understand it, so if a moon doesn't have let's say flooded, it reduces clear chance. But why wouldn't it do that for all weathers on that moon so all weathers have the same chance?

[drowsy willow]

so it's bound to be wrong, but only by the sum of special weathers

[drowsy willow]

because the point of weighted system is so all weathers don't have the same chance

[lapis fractal]

I didn't mean same chance

I'll try to give a example

None@200,Flooded@200,Rainy@200,Blackout@40

640 in total

so let's say the chance to choose rainy on a moon would be

200/640

31.25% chance

But let's say I got to a moon that doens't have flooded

And I get rainy

that would be

45.45%

Wait, hold on

yeah, all the other weight percentages would increase but they would still have the same chance

Included none

So why decrease none if a weather isn't present?

Idk, I'm trying to make sense lol

[drowsy willow]

to make it more difficult

[lapis fractal]

So I need that none feature off if I want the same chance on all moons, right?

[drowsy willow]

yes

my idea was to keep the same % chance of None happening, no matter how many weathers can be there

so for example on Experimentation: every single weather condition can happen there

so the sum of default weights would be 600 (6* default 100 on new config)

and the % chance of none is 1/6 == 16.6(6)%

but on a moon like Titan, where there's no Flooded or Rainy weather the sum is 400

so % chance for None is 1/4 == 25%

and that's what the system is intended to do

but doesn't work right now lmao

[lapis fractal]

to reduce the 25% back to a 16%?

[drowsy willow]

yes

exactly

[lapis fractal]

but to keep it normal, I need the feature off?

[drowsy willow]

of course every user's config is different and there are weather-weather and level weights

so it's still a matter of figuring it out 😅

[drowsy willow]

if you don't want it changing None weight - yes

[lapis fractal]

🫡

[gray thicket]

Yeah I have that feature off as well, cuz in my experience, unless your weight for none is absurdly high, you're just gonna have weather spam on every moon after a few ingame days.

[lapis fractal]

Does anyone know what this max multiplier setting is?

[drowsy willow]

it's a cap on the sum of GameLengthMultiplier and GamePlayersMultiplier

[gray thicket]

Also if this is all you're trying to do, you don't need to bother with weather to weather weights. Just make them blank and give everything the same default weight.

[drowsy willow]

so it doesn't get absurd

[lapis fractal]

so I shouldn't mess with the max multiplier thing?

[lapis fractal]

I think I got it 🤔

[drowsy willow]

depends if you want to use it tbh

[lapis fractal]

but what does it do gameplay wise?

[drowsy willow]

because this is another thing that makes None weather happen less

        if (difficulty != 0 && weatherType.VanillaWeatherType == LevelWeatherType.None)
        {
          weatherWeight = (int)(weatherWeight * (1 - difficulty));
        }

if you set the max difficulty above 1, None weather could have negative weight (lol)

[lapis fractal]

what do i set it to say nothing changes and the none weather will be the same?

[drowsy willow]

0

[lapis fractal]

so is the max multiplier just meaning none weather chance gets reduced depending on palyer count?

[drowsy willow]

and on how many quotas you've done, yes

[lapis fractal]

Is this in base game?

[drowsy willow]

for every player/every completed quota that number (so for example 0.05 in GameLengthMultiplier) gets added to the final "difficulty"

and it's (1 - difficulty) * weight of None as the new None weight 😅

[drowsy willow]

no 🤭

[lapis fractal]

I dont' know if I need this on or not. Agh my head

I see what it is doing

but I don't know how that would play out

I think I'll have it off, to match base game

Uh wait a second

[lapis fractal]

Does your special weathers not have scrap multipliers?

[drowsy willow]

they do

but it's hidden

[lapis fractal]

how do I unhide them?

https://tenor.com/view/cry-gif-13328108869509964634

[drowsy willow]

in Tweaks config

[lapis fractal]

😏

thank you lol

[gray thicket]

Does this look at all comprehensible to you guys?

[drowsy willow]

oh my

😳

that is amazing

[gray thicket]

thanks lol 😄

it's a beast, but should be done soon

will auto generate config entries to copy and paste too

[lapis fractal]

do you use dustclouds?

I thought dustclouds was just a foggy weather that is unused

[kind crane]

dustclouds is used

its just never displayed as a weather

[gray thicket]

It's the dust/wind effect that's always on experimentation, but some modded moons use it as an actual weather.

[lapis fractal]

I can put the dustclouds on let's say offense and it'll work?

[drowsy willow]

no

[gray thicket]

I think it's disabled on all vanilla moons

[drowsy willow]

if it's added by a moon maker, you can configure it

if not, tough luck

[lapis fractal]

only moon I know that uses it is Seichi

[gray thicket]

Also just real quick @drowsy willow, Madness always starts with Eclipsed, correct? Or have I just been getting astronomically unlucky?

[drowsy willow]

yes

progressing weathers have a "starting weather" - that's the one active during the landing

and from there it's taken away by a list of possible change-times

[lapis fractal]

Is the hell weather supported? Like does it's name show up?

It's an old mod but worked last time I checked

[drowsy willow]

that's a great question

[lapis fractal]

🤳

[gray thicket]

Oh I remember that

[drowsy willow]

no, it's not supported

[gray thicket]

rip

[lapis fractal]

rip

[gray thicket]

I thought if it worked maybe I'd add it to the sheet

[drowsy willow]

the way it worked was: when landing on moon with hell weather, it picked randomly which effects to enable

[gray thicket]

Oh I thought it was all of them at once

[drowsy willow]

and it was custom-added to the game

i think it was made before LethalLib had a way to add weathers to the game

[lapis fractal]

but i don't think it would tell you if the moon had hell weather

[drowsy willow]

so it's very hacky

[lapis fractal]

You just had to find out when you land

[drowsy willow]

yeeeeah

[gray thicket]

That reminds me, actually

@drowsy willow you have this in the BetaWeatherTweaks readme, but as far as I can tell there's no feature in the config like that. Leftover from a prior/planned version?

Would be cool to have the option to prevent some weathers from showing up in the forecast at all

[drowsy willow]

that's what it's talking about

[gray thicket]

ohhhh, gotcha

[lapis fractal]

I wish it had bright red HELL

On the screen

That would be cool

[drowsy willow]

OH, that's a great idea tbh

[gray thicket]

I thought it meant you could pick like one weather to not be shown

[drowsy willow]

what would be shown instead of it?

if only one weather wouldn't show up there's no element of surprise

and if the weather it's showing is just wrong, people will assume it's an error on mod's part

[gray thicket]

True true, could just tie it to Unknown I guess

Actually, hmm

I guess the most realisticly useful option would be to have a setting for selected weathers to always show up uncertain when it gets rolled (Unknown, 50/50, whatever is enabled)

[drowsy willow]

i see

[lapis fractal]

What happens if dustclouds is chosen? Will it default to none or is dustclouds not put into the weight list of most moons?

[drowsy willow]

if dustclouds is not in randomWeathers (defined by a moon maker) it's not gonna be in the pool

[lapis fractal]

oh okok, thank you again

[lapis fractal]

What is cloudy?

Is it just a bit dark?

[drowsy willow]

it's clear weather with darker skybox, yeah

[gray thicket]

Doesn't do anything on it's own, but I like using it as a stepping stone for higher rainy/stormy/flooded weights.

[lapis fractal]

The combined weathers don't appear on the first day for some reason

[gray thicket]

I think that's intentional

Check first day settings in the Tweaks config

[drowsy willow]

that's intentional

you can disable that in tweaks config

[gray thicket]

Aight, full W2W sheet is done. Do you reckon it's alright if I just post it here as a file for whoever is obsessed enough to want to use it?

[kind crane]

Lil idea: chance for every weather to be the same on all moons

[junior ginkgo]

Eclipsed on all moons

That's evil

[gray thicket]

Yes and make the chance configurable so I can torture my friends

[kind crane]

Madness on all moons

[gray thicket]

living up to it's name

[kind crane]

Tbh weather tweaks fits less as a name now

its more of a Weather Overhaul

[gray thicket]

Was just gonna say lmao

[kind crane]

also an option to hide certain weathers while still having them be active would be awesome

like not knowing the weather is gonna change from none-meteor shower

you go there thinking its safe

but get caught by a sudden change in forcast

[gray thicket]

Yeah we were discussing something like that earlier. Mrov made the point that that's essentially what [Unknown] does having the condition completely invisible is more likely to just confuse people into thinking it's a bug. Can't deny it might be fun as an opt in thing though.

[kind crane]

or even better, have each weather forecast have only a certain percentage of being accurate

like real life

[gray thicket]

ohhh

you're cooking with that one tbh

like instead of 50/50 have an actual calculable chance between two or more weathers

idk how feasible that is though in the current scope of the mod

[kind crane]

like imagine all the other moons are swamped and you only have one clear moon but its only has 20% accuracy, so when landing its actually MADNESS

or more like it suddenly shifts to it mid day

[lapis fractal]

I was wondering what is so unique about Madness? In all honesty, it just feels like one of the changing weather presets but with a unique name

I'd love to have all vanilla weathers combined as madness

[severe pelican]

That's what I thought it was but never tried it yet lol

[lapis fractal]

Or madness could be all vanilla weathers changing so it could be like Rainy -> Foggy -> Flooded -> Stormy -> Eclipsed

Idk, I'd love for madness to be unique but I'd also love if I could have a weather that be all vanilla combined at the same time. Just a suggestion

[drowsy willow]

👀

that's a nice idea

[lapis fractal]

Uh you sure the Hell weather isn't supported?

It literally has custom blue text

and works fine

so far

lol

[drowsy willow]

interesting

will check when I'm back home (16th)

[lapis fractal]

When day breaks? What exactly is this and do you know if it's about done?

I've never heard of it

[red stone]

https://vxtwitter.com/sofidotxml/status/1864797903971041731?s=61&t=ftCpEtKfKNrI4FC9gLbAmg

[arctic grotto]

null texture2d w black color

[lapis fractal]

looks pretty cool as a weather

has it's development just started?

[red stone]

Its just a reference, I don’t know

[drowsy willow]

there's MORE? 🤭

the weather weather

[dire gust]

OH NO NO NO NO...
The sun turning anyone who witnesses it into abominations out to convert the rest is outta our pay grade to deal with

[drowsy willow]

oh, it's CodeRebirth's stuff

didn't know that lol

[dire gust]

Almost certainly a reference to https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/shaggydredlocks-proposal, not sure how you'd actually work it into a weather though

[drowsy willow]

#1268919667347427390 message

[dire gust]

Oh that works, would be interesting if it ended in turning into a Masked if they wanted to follow the nickname, but it'll probably be interesting to deal with even as just a DoT... hmm cruiser seats have no shade

[dire gust]

Surprised nobodies done inverse rain yet, since it seems like such a common anomalous weather

[leaden flume]

||BAD SUN voices of the void.....||

oops forgot to spoil it

[red stone]

yop

[raw bloom]

Bad Sun

When Day Breaks doesn’t have its sun censored

[gray thicket]

Alright, I'm just gonna go ahead and post this in case anyone else wants to use it.

Full W2W Weight sheet + config entry generator for this mod. Supports LethalElements, CodeRebirth and HellWeather.

Take note of the tabs at the bottom left. Currently you can only edit the Weights tab, but you can switch between and interact with all of them.

LethalCompany_WeatherTweaksBeta_FullWeightTableW2W_v0.1.3_Blank.xlsx
.

If you don't want to start from scratch, here is a version with my own preferences already entered. Note: this has weights for Lethal Elements but not CodeRebirth or Hell, since I don't currently use them, so you'll still have to enter those yourself.

LethalCompany_WeatherTweaksBeta_FullWeightTableW2W_v0.1.3_FFPack_Preferences.xlsx
.

Recommended to use Excel for this. Don't complain to me if some other spreadsheet editor ruins the formatting for you.

Changelogs:

v0.1.1: #1203871322841808906 message
v0.1.2: #1203871322841808906 message
v0.1.3: #1203871322841808906 message

[drowsy willow]

holy shit that's amazing 🔥🔥

[gray thicket]

Please tell me if there are any typos in the config entries it spits out, I tripled checked so there shouldn't be but you never know 😄

[gray thicket]

Also I haven't actually tested for myself if the special weather weights work like this, let's hope they do 😛

[drowsy willow]

if you want to target Stormy + Flooded, Registry will match it even when you type stormy+flooded, same with progressing ones

[kind crane]

Unreleased

[lapis fractal]

Could you explain how you figured your sheet? Like mathematically so I can do the same for future weathers?

[kind crane]

I have tried the beta tho

Very cool

Cant wait for yall to play it

[lapis fractal]

Bro slide me the beta

Jkjk

[kind crane]

Lol

[lapis fractal]

Sounds awesome tho

[gray thicket]

Yeah, that's what I did

[drowsy willow]

it should work without issues then

[gray thicket]

Most of it is just basic Excel stuff tbh. You should be able to see the formulas for all the automatic cells in the bar near the top when you select one.

[drowsy willow]

I'll definitely play with your tool when I have the chance

I was meaning to make something like that for Registry, but forgot/didn't have time/was too lazy

🤭🤭

[gray thicket]

Theoretically you can use it with just registry and vanilla weathers by leaving the specials empty, it'll just create a lot of entries with 0 in the config.

[lapis fractal]

Thank you, I'll check it out when I get home. You should try out the hell weather. It still works pretty well

[gray thicket]

I don't think it's compatible or configurable via WeatherReg, is it?

Cuz it was made so long ago.

[lapis fractal]

Yep it is for some reason. Even has a custom blue text

I figured it wouldn't work it all but it does

[gray thicket]

And WR creates a config entry for it?

[lapis fractal]

Yep!

[gray thicket]

Oh, nice!

[lapis fractal]

Idk how but it does

[gray thicket]

I'll definitely play around with it then and update the sheet if everything works correctly.

[drowsy willow]

HOW

what

waaaa

lmao that is weird

[lapis fractal]

I promise it does. I literally played with it for hours yesterday

I promise it does. I literally played with it for hours yesterday

[drowsy willow]

I'll check how it behaves

[lapis fractal]

It takes a bit for all the weathers to load when you land but other than that it's awesome

[drowsy willow]

that is amazing and terrifying at the same time

[raw bloom]

hi

weather effects don't appear during spectate

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It reappeared for some reason

[drowsy willow]

I'm pretty sure it's because of reverb triggers

I'll check what's going on when I'm back

[raw bloom]

Hm.

Wonder if this is it over WR

[drowsy willow]

what I meant was: it's reenabling when you pass through audio reverb triggers

I don't exactly know why it's not working when you're dead

will check tho

[raw bloom]

o

oki

[ancient depot]

@drowsy willow It seems like WeatherRegistry is breaking JLL Weathers

Rosie has a custom one on Tunere and after entering and exiting the interior the weather effect is gone

[drowsy willow]

oh no

yeah, I see where I made the mistake

I won't be able to fix that till Monday 😭

sorry for that, my oopsie

[raw bloom]

You use Gale, right, Mrov?

[drowsy willow]

i use r2

[raw bloom]

Oh

Was gonna say u can run two LAN instances of Lethal Company via Gale to debug

It helped me debug my shit

Since the second instance is a client

[drowsy willow]

I'm away from home till Monday

soooo no updates till then 🥺

[raw bloom]

Oh, no, I was just giving advice that I'd thought would help you

Probably

Idk

[drowsy willow]

I've been doing that the OG way - running it directly from steam folder

which is not straightforward 😅

[raw bloom]

1000QuotaStare~1

[abstract pivot]

its about as straight forward as doing it from like gale tbh

[raw bloom]

Wdym? U just do these two settings

Launcher to Direct, and 1 to 2

[abstract pivot]

yeah, and for the lethal comapny one u just double click twice, it's not a big difference

[raw bloom]

Oh wtf

I never knew that

Cool

[ancient depot]

@drowsy willow WeatherTweaks breaks if someone joins a lobby as a client then tries to host

[leaden flume]

yo what default weight do you use?? (incase you dont know, im refering to this screenshot)

[ancient depot]

This was discovered by Jacu btw, hosting a lobby then joining as a client is fine though so it's only broken if you join as a client then try and host

[leaden flume]

where the fuck did the Void come from

[lapis fractal]

? wdym

[leaden flume]

might be because im on mobile but idfk

weird stuff

[eager field]

⚫

[dire gust]

You mean the black circle? That how the font be

[gray thicket]

Theoretically the default weights shouldn't matter if you use W2W configs for everything. Only if you have First day special in WeatherTweaks.cfg set to false, then I think the first day of a game would use the default weights. In that case you can probably copy the individual weights from the none weather in my file, or make some up yourself.

[latent sleet]

Hey, @drowsy willow, maybe this should be pinned, otherwise it will be lost pretty fast D:

[gray thicket]

@drowsy willow Found another bug: When TweaksBeta is installed, ship doesn't properly occlude fog effects anymore, particularly noticeable with foggy weather but also true for the light "fog" from rainy etc.

It'd actually be kind of a neat effect if the ship monitors weren't blatantly visible through it.

[severe pelican]

At least the monitors are clear from the sound of it loo

[drowsy willow]

it's by design, but I'll definitely tone down the ship fog in the future 🤭

[drowsy willow]

🥺

[gray thicket]

Ahh, gotcha. A config option to enable/disable it would be nice though.

[raw bloom]

Uh

Is this even WeatherRegistry causing this?

I reset my lobby because I didn't feel like dealing /w eclipsed Titan anymore and went to Vow, and for some reason, Vow has Titan's fog and skybox

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I know it's not LethalToolbox this time since I don't have it installed

[raw bloom]

Resetting upon restarting again...

[drowsy willow]

did anything break horribly on v69?

[queen crystal]

they added snowman

: )

[gray kayak]

when is the raining snowman weather

[drowsy willow]

lol

tempting

I'll add schizophrenia weather first

[ancient depot]

GI got partially borked

The monitors act weird now

Most mods are fine though

GoodItemScan also throws a few errors now I think cus Zeekerss made the vents scannable

Which is huge QOL

[drowsy willow]

I won't be able to check (and fix) anything till Monday, so I hope it still works good lol

[drowsy willow]

interesting

[ancient depot]

Yeah it's honestly really cool

[daring pivot]

I couldn't find a ScanNodeProperties instance in the VentEntrance object's hierarchy, don't think it's a vanilla thing

Thonk

[ancient depot]

Weird maybe CodeRebirth added it then? Nothing that updated says it added it though

[abstract pivot]

????????

[ancient depot]

Wondering what made vents scannable for us last night lol

I found it

@drifting sonnet why is LCGoldScrapMod making vents scannable?

[drifting sonnet]

🤔

[ancient depot]

I would guess you left some debug code in probably lol

Idk

[drifting sonnet]

only reason I can think of is that another mod turns on boxcolliders of all scan nodes in the scene, I have not once encountered in any version the past months

[ancient depot]

But it makes them scannable and even lets you know if they're occupied or not

Probably GoodItemScan is adding those

@fathom crow it enables box colliders right?

[fathom crow]

You can configure it to add Box Colliders, if they're missing.

By default, it honors the nomal scan node

[raw bloom]

??

When I restart, the moon I'm orbiting always goes to eclipsed

What the fuck is going on?

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I might have disable WR if this keeps up, because this is not fun

[kind crane]

and ofc cruiser improved shat itself

its almost tradition at this point

[leaden flume]

what happened to it

[kind crane]

tbh im not sure myself but others have been saying

this has happened like every time zeek made a micro update haha

once it stopped multiplayer

once it crashed the game

[leaden flume]

oh lol

ig ill disable it

what other mods are shitting itself rn

[kind crane]

not much from what I hear

mostly qol stuff

[leaden flume]

like?

[kind crane]

GI, good item scan

[leaden flume]

oh general improvements

[drowsy willow]

which moon is that

[raw bloom]

First it was ||Detritus||, and now Submersion

[drowsy willow]

I can't check that shit on my phone, one moment

[raw bloom]

Aight