Mirage

[sturdy python]

because someone dying early is really slim so it makes it more obvious that a Masked is a Masked

[deft cape]

aightt ill try modifying the curve again then

[sturdy python]

Though I guess that's a double edged sword??

Them spawning early probably gives them more time to reach the outside/main entrance on bigger dungeons

[deft cape]

i def want them to spawn a bit later

[deft cape]

thats kinda why i dont want them to spawn early tbh

it just causes more unfair deaths

and just isnt fun

[sturdy python]

Yeah

I like the idea of what you're doing I just think the first execution was just a little bit too extreme maybe?

[deft cape]

yeee

ill just shift the spawns slightly earlier this time

[misty grail]

heyo, interested in downloading this mod, but first i'd like to know how this actually works. I'd guess the Skinwalkers mod works purely on clientside and doesn't send the recordings anywhere, but Mirage would have to do that in order to sync everything, right? Don't wanna sound like some conspiracy theorist, but i don't really like the idea of my voice constantly being recorded and potentially saved somewhere. You don't have to explain it in full detail, just wanna know if my fear is even justified

[clever knot]

voice clips are saved on your pc, then sent to the other clients for syncing

[misty grail]

and will be deleted when the game is closed or something?

[clever knot]

By default yes, however you can change it to never delete or delete after every round in the config

[misty grail]

hm okay

[sturdy python]

(It was changed to be deleted on game startup)

[deft cape]

voice clips that aren't yours are never saved on other pcs for privacy reasons

[misty grail]

i guess you meant "voice clips that aren't yours are never saved on your pc ..." as in "every pc only saves it's own clips"

or am i misunderstanding something here?

[deft cape]

oh sorry yeah thats exacrly what i meant LOL

i just mistyped 😂

[misty grail]

figured ^^

ok that's cool. thanks

but what happens when a monster uses a clip? am i streaming the clip from the other players pc or where does it get the file from?

[deft cape]

@cursive pebble so i'm gonna assume you're on r2modman (if you're not, thunderstore mod manager probably has a similar option)
click on settingsand then search log, and then click this button here, and then paste it on discord

[deft cape]

yeah it's streamed every time it's required by the others

[misty grail]

sounds ineffective but is probably the only way to do it without saving the clips

[deft cape]

it's not that expensive actually

[deft cape]

hmm i dont see anything particular wrong in your logs

there's no errors

i'm afraid i don't know what the issue is then

[cursive pebble]

I often saw this in the logs "[Warning: Unity Log] PlayOneShot was called with a null AudioClip."
Is it related to anything?

And maybe this "[Warning: Unity Log] Only custom filters can be played. Please add a custom filter or an audioclip to the audiosource (SteamValve(Clone))."?

I don't know too..

[deft cape]

nah unrelated, mirage doesn't use that at all

[deft cape]

same with this

i honestly have no clue why voices aren't playing for you at all

while it works for your friends

and i assume you all have the same modpacks

[cursive pebble]

Yeah.. this is so strange
Thanks for the answers and for trying to figure this out too

[elder ruin]

Hello, where's the config file? or, how do we configure it?
EDIT: Nevermind, found it, in r2modman or bepinex config folders

[deft cape]

yep u got it

[eternal bridge]

oh my god i forgot how fuckign scary this mod is

i thought it was my friend they were sayign stuff about a funny door

???

[deft cape]

😳

[slim basin]

reminder to implement hoarding bugs mimic voices when using lethal phones

[deft cape]

don't think i'll be integrating that actually tbh

just focusing on v2 and then im probably taking a break

[ionic shoal]

ive been using this mod for months, i was just using an altered config, and heard a weird noise while testing something else with mirage installed 🙂

[clever knot]

Bro when v2 drops this shit's gonna be so perturbating xD

[soft hollow]

why

why ur lethal look like that

some lightning changes going on

[spring laurel]

the moon we were on does some meega bloom lmao

[deft cape]

LMAOO

@sturdy python thoughts on the new spawn curve today? 👀

[sturdy python]

Seemed fine

i forgor to pay attention

[deft cape]

ah bet

if it's good i might just push the changes today

[sturdy python]

Ahh

I remember

I think I got tricked really good earlier lol

[deft cape]

👀

cuz of it spawning later?

[sturdy python]

Yeah

I THIIINK (might be better to get opinions of someone that doesn't have the memory of a goldfish) maybe tweak the curve a smidge to be a little earlier but it'll be fine even if unchanged from now

Do you have like a % per hour or w/e actually

[deft cape]

i think if it's set to be earlier it'd be like the original spawn rate

spawn curve*

[sturdy python]

mmm then it's good as it is right now

(imo at least)

Could defo ask Lunxara and co. for a bigger/better consensus lol

[deft cape]

this is the original spawn curve (apparently used for all enemies)

for the keys, 0 is start of the day, 1 i think is end of the day.
for the values, the original spawn weight is multiplied by this value at the given time i believe.

from debby:

The max value is usually like 15. 1 is can spawn, 10 is common, 15 is basically guaranteed

and then this is the spawn curve that i set (left is the key, right is the value)

mainly just set it so that the first 20% of the game there's no spawns

maybe i should just change that to first 15% instead?

[sturdy python]

What hour marks the 20% im stupid

[deft cape]

@solemn ridge thoughts as well?

[deft cape]

honestly not even sure LMAOO

[sturdy python]

what hour does the moon start at

7?

or is it 8

[deft cape]

idek 😭

[sturdy python]

ok guess im checking in game

oh goodie

7:40

[deft cape]

thats the start time?

[sturdy python]

Though I guess technically 8;00 since that's when the ship fully lands in vanilla

so I guess 20% would be at like

12pm?

I miscounted I think it's 11am......??

Which yeah, sounds good I think

[deft cape]

ah bet sounds good tyty

[solemn ridge]

I feel kind of indifferent about the change personally lol

[deft cape]

ah ic

[solemn ridge]

I mean it's definitely better than yesterday where they almost never spawned XD

But I also never minded them spawning early before, I guess it does feel a bit more balanced though

Lmfao

[deft cape]

yeah main thing for the changes is

• less of a chance for a masked enemy to camp the entrance while you enter

• later spawns means a more likely chance to fool someone (since people are more likely to be dead or not be grouped up)

with the default spawns you could run into a masked enemy so early that you're still all together

[cursive pebble]

@deft cape
Hello! My friend and I decided to test the mod again. I deleted the mod cache and downloaded mods from a friend again with the same settings. I couldn't hear myself again, but I could hear my friend.

We were monitoring the logs and I was the only one with this line.
"[Warning: Unity Log] Data too long to fit the audioclip: qwbarch.Mirage. 2304 sample(s) discarded"

Can this lead to anything?

[deft cape]

huh now thats interesting

ive never even seen this error b4

wait @cursive pebble is your microphone mono or stereo?

[cursive pebble]

How do I look at it?

[deft cape]

what microphone do u have?

[cursive pebble]

I have a microphone built into my headphones and connect to my computer via a single USB

My friends have separate microphones and headphones. Does it really affect?

[wind crown]

is there going to be the feature that the masks will also wear flashlights on their shoulders (like the player theyre mimicing)? or maybe hold scrap? i know that was a feature in maskedairevamp but i think this mod has been abandoned... cant find it anymore (neither on discord nor on thunderstore).

[slim basin]

they do wear flashlight, might be because of reservedslots mod tho

[wind crown]

oh yea.. true. i have reserveditemslots mods. theres no patch for that yet?

[slim basin]

for what

[wind crown]

so that masked enemies can wear flashlights when theyre mimicing a player having the flashlight/walkie in a reserved slot. apparently they dont wear them when the player doesnt have them in a vanilla slot right?

[deft cape]

nah built in is fine, but it needs to be mono channel to work.

do you have any other mics you can try with?

[deft cape]

probably not

[cursive pebble]

Unfortunately, there is no 😦

[deft cape]

what headset are you using? ill try looking up the specs just to confirm

[cursive pebble]

Name the model? If so, here it "Edifier G2II Black".
I do not know how to say it any other way.

[deft cape]

@cursive pebble if you go into the g2ii software, are you able to modify different settings for the mic?

I couldn't find out much about the specs online but there's still a possibility of it being the issue

[cursive pebble]

Sure, I'll download this driver and try it in the afternoon.

[deft cape]

sounds good

[hoary gazelle]

Barch break arc part 2

[fathom dust]

This feature is added by the ReservedItemSlots mods to my knowledge so you’re better off asking in that thread

[carmine garden]

Sometimes when playing invisible mimics will spawn, normally every couple moons, is there any fix for this?

[deft cape]

dont think it's from mirage but i could be wrong

@solemn ridge dont think u have this issue right

wait i just remembered

it's probably the vanilla bug lmao

[fathom dust]

yeah

[deft cape]

do you have starlanceraifix?

try seeing if that helps

[fathom dust]

thats the conclusion you came to when I brought it up

[fathom dust]

(it doesn't)

[deft cape]

ah fuck

[fathom dust]

I don't think it does anyway, I believe I had it installed in that clip I uploaded

I might be wrong but

[deft cape]

oof

i doubt it's anything i can do about it if it's the vanilla bug

[carmine garden]

damn, thanks anyways

[deft cape]

out of curiosity what do y'all think is a good default for custom spawns? should i just have it turned off by default?
reason i'm asking is this: https://github.com/qwbarch/mirage/issues/58

or maybe i could keep custom spawns enabled but just lower the spawn chance and make the mod description more apparent that mirage isn't just a drop-in replacement for skinwalkers, and that you need to look over the config

personally i think 20% spawn rate is fine since my goal with it is to guarantee the 1-2 masked enemies to spawn every round

but i guess for the average player they might want it to be much more rare

[sturdy python]

Probably best to make default config, vanilla, maybe?

Already have to go into the config to make it like Skinwalkers though so maybe not?

but also

"especially giving them our players' appearance"

boooring

[sturdy python]

imo actually, it's probably best to keep doing what you're doing but add a pretty clear clarification that it isn't just the "drop-in replacement for skinwalkers"

also not favorable but maybe a good idea to put the Masked spawning configs closer to the top of the config instead of at the bottom

[deft cape]

yeah that part is pretty much the point of mirage so i won't be changing that

[deft cape]

okok yeah i'll just make it more obvious then

cuz i honestly don't really like the idea of having it as vanilla spawns by default

[deft cape]

while that would be ideal, i can't really change that without breaking ppl's configs rn so i can't really touch it sadly

i plan on making the config better for v2 but that's not for awhile

so maybe i guess i'll just keep the current spawns and clarify it in the mod description (and have some sort of obvious warning at the very top)

[sturdy python]

Yeah that's why I clarified the not favorable part lolll

[deft cape]

yeee fs

i think i'll just also add a section to the README that'll help skinwalkers users transition to mirage better

like which settings to enable and which settings to disable

[carmine lichen]

If you just share here what settings you'd see as the defaults. People who don't have their own preference can just copy those settings from here into their configs.
And then pin that message to keep it available

[deft cape]

you mean the current defaults? i don't really see the point of that since they'd also have it if they just run the game once

unless you mean the "preferred" config where it's more like skinwalkers

[carmine lichen]

I mean that you're trying not to break existing configs, while still pushing a change to what you feel should be default behavior

[deft cape]

by breaking existing configs i just mean shifting keys/values around in the config will make ppl have to redo that part of their config

so showing defaults wouldn't really matter, it'll just annoy ppl when they have to update

i could have a "mostly skinwalkers" kind of config and just upload it but

i kinda doubt ppl will use that tbh

the ppl who use mirage without looking at the config and get surprised by it not being the same as skinwalkers is also not gonna be the ones to download a config file to replace it probably

edit: this reads as an insult for some reason but i don't mean it in that way lmao

[carmine lichen]

Ah, I misunderstood what you meant

[deft cape]

which i realize is another problem, i gotta condense the important information somewhere

so ppl can just skim through that and not get surprised

[deft cape]

all good

[trail cargo]

I would just recommend making it more clear the mod changed their spawns by default

The spawn setup is fine

[rain mountain]

i do not think you should run any mod without looking over the config. that's kind of a given when downloading mods in general. if you aren't willing to read then you shouldn't be surprised when things don't work as you expect them to

[viral obsidian]

Well yes but the general rule of thumb would be to highlight changes with the default config

Because realistically this happens more than anyone'd like

[rain mountain]

i think the page is enough as it is now. you probably shouldn't be modding if you don't at least look at the config before running a game, it should never be a given that these things are just drop in and run unless clearly stated on the page, which it is not for mirage

the sad reality is that there are just some people that are never going to do that, so i don't see much point in catering to people who won't do the bare minimum

[cursive pebble]

Sorry that it was late, I downloaded and looked at the driver.
There's basically a microphone volume control, sample rate, effects and some kind of microphone boost.

I don't know what could help with the problem here.

[trail cargo]

from my experience it's the vast majority of users

you have to idiot-proof to some degree otherwise people will just start being a shitter towards you or about you because they didn't read a single thing on the mod page

it can be hard to find a balance of doing that and having it not actually compromise the mod in any wya

<- has had users show up literally not even knowing the name of the mod they installed and are now asking for support with

(they didn't install a single dependency or set the game up for modding)

[ionic shoal]

while i 99% agree, as i have a group who just "take the mod profile i make" and enjoy it, if someone is having issues, they should look at the config, or seek guidance on what is wrong, i dont think there is much else can be done, as there will always be idiots,and there will always be people setting bad settings too ;o

[trail cargo]

I think in LC's case specifically a lot of people use "group" packs like that yeah

where everyone is using the same config settings and mods

so if the person maintaining that profile isn't doing bare minimum that is entirely on them

[rain mountain]

i don't think it's the majority, more like a vocal minority. because the majority of users are just using the mod and not complaining because they read the page and set it up themselves

tbh from what i've seen in this server at least, a lot of people tend to already be a competent modder or at least be willing to listen and learn

[trail cargo]

my experience comes from other scenes

but I do concur I'm overstating the amount most likely

[deft cape]

while we don't know the actual stats on that, my assumption is just that the github issue i got was from someone who took the time to write their opinion/advice, and that is already quite rare.
the majority of users who do get bit by the mod they use because it does something they don't expect will probably just quietly uninstall the mod and move on

so of course i'll still have to try to cater towards that group

although i'm still on the fence about whether or not i should:

1. keep the defaults the same and just make the mod description/readme more clear that mirage isn't a drop-in replacement for skinwalkers/maskedenemyoverhaul and requires you to go over the config if you want to make it the same
2. modify the defaults so it becomes like skinwalkers/maskedenemyoverhaul

i'd much prefer the first though since i'd much rather masked enemies actually spawn

and i also don't like having mimicking voices on non-masked on by default, it's just too goofy to me

[viral obsidian]

Option one sounds very reasonable

This is a different mod after all, you aren't obligated to make it reminiscent of something similar

[deft cape]

yeah i never intended it to be the same, in fact in the earlier versions of mirage, i only allowed mimicking masked enemies because that's what i thought made sense, but enough users wanted everything from skinwalkers which is why i eventually added the options to do so

i'll probably just go with option 1 then

[deft cape]

are you able to hop into a voice call sometime to share screen? (don't need to talk, i just want to see what the options for your mic is like)

one thing i find a bit funny though is the MuteLocalPlayerVoice option

if set to true as the default, new players think the mod is bugged and isn't synced at times

if set to false as the default, some players complain that they can hear their voice and then uninstall

can't really win that battle 😂

[viral obsidian]

I'd say visibility is the key here again, but yeah that sounds like an unfortunate situation

[deft cape]

which goes back to clarifying the readme, but there's only so much i can fit into the mod description before i'm basically repeating everything already mentioned on the readme

[cursive pebble]

I'll be able to do it in about 8 hours, I need to sleep now, sorry 😞

[deft cape]

i feel like what's also contributing to people not looking at the config is probably the fact that every "enableenemy" option is jammed into the same config, which makes it hard to look at the other ones that do matter

so that'll be changed in v2 for sure

[deft cape]

all good

[dark talon]

Hmm, I'm finding recordings are not being deleted with both deletion settings set to false. I know there was a bug once that was fixed. Do I have to do anything? I think the game is also not crashing on closing most of the times

[deft cape]

@dark talon does it at least delete on startup though? i made it delete on start as well "just in case"

[dark talon]

Nope, there are recordings from several days.

Found this

[22:03:15.2896536] [Info   :qwbarch.Mirage] recordings: 823
[22:03:15.2901495] [Info   :qwbarch.Mirage] index: 795
[22:03:15.2911420] [Info   :qwbarch.Mirage] recordings size after removed: 822

[deft cape]

what version are u on? i thought i removed those logs

[dark talon]

older for that pack since it's v49. let me check

ah i see. I'm on 1.3.2 there and you introduced the deletion on startup in 1.5.0. So mine is probably not exiting correctly?

[deft cape]

well the exiting logic was never changed, i still use Application.quitting += deleteRecordings;, and if unity doesn't fire it, there's not much i can do about it AFAIK (if anyone knows a solution i'm all ears though)

[graceful latch]

i still prefer the only masked ones mimicking your voice imo

[deft cape]

same i think that's the better default as well

[viral obsidian]

Having the option is nice though

[deft cape]

@dark talon theoretically there shouldn't be any v49 conflicts in the latest version so you could try it and see if it works

[deft cape]

for what? 😮

[viral obsidian]

All monsters having voicelines for goofy gameplay 🙃

Assuming it's in, if not that's totally fine too

[deft cape]

that's already a thing, just not enabled by default

[deft cape]

yo wtf this is still set to true? i thought i set it to false by default a long time ago

i could've sworn i added a comment about it being a legacy feature that will eventually get removed as well

i must've not pushed the commit or something lmao

yikes

oh wait nvm i confused myself ignore all that

EnablePenalty is just for keeping it vanilla lmao

funny how this setting is so bad that it even confused me

[deft cape]

anyone around rn mind looking through the new README? https://github.com/qwbarch/mirage/tree/production

new mod description (on thunderstore) will be like this, hopefully this makes it more clear now:
Synced voice mimicking for all enemies, and a focus on features for masked enemies. Alternative to Skinwalkers + MaskedEnemyOverhaul, but is not a drop-in replacement. Please look over the FAQ and config options to enable/disable the features you want.

[rain mountain]

2nd bullet point should be nested

and also mention the penalty feature in that list

but otherwise yeah this looks good

[deft cape]

oh the penalty thing is gonna be removed in the future (which i added a note in the config)

[deft cape]

thanks probably just gonna push it soon then

[solemn ridge]

barch pushing Mirage update while I'm starting my Stardew stream XD

[deft cape]

👀

Mirage v1.6.1 is released:

• Added a config entry UseCustomSpawnCurve, that when enabled, changes masked enemies to spawn later in the day.
  • Requires EnableOverrideSpawnChance = true in order to work.
  • Credits: TheDebbyCase for explaining in-depth how spawn curves work.

[opaque pebble]

May I ask where voice clips are stored? If thats even possible to see. I've been looking everywhere for the folder but i dont think ive been looking in the right places 🥲

im just asking cus i keep getting voice clips from days ago and i just wanetd to see how to delete them

[deft cape]

there's a folder called Mirage inside your lethal company folder

(well by default it gets deleted when you close the game, so you might not see it)

oh wait if the problem you're having is that you're getting voice clips from days ago, that's interesting... it should also be deleted on startup just in case to prevent that

what version are you on?

[opaque pebble]

v50 and latest version for the mod

oh my god my mirage folder is MASSIVE i see where the clips come from 💀

over 4k clips that thing never got cleared 🥲

[deft cape]

could you send your config?

looks like something i might need to look into again

i'm just surprised it's not being deleted on start

[opaque pebble]

on it

im a bit clueless when it comes to all this kind of stuff so i dont even know if this is a mistake on my end 💀

[sturdy python]

IgnoreRecordingsDeletion is set to true

[sturdy python]

Gorgeous

[opaque pebble]

oh, alright, ill make sure to change it

thanks

[deft cape]

yeahhh you explicitly set it to not delete the recordings, that's why 😂

thankfully not a bug then

[opaque pebble]

i never touched anything in the configs 😭

[deft cape]

did you perhaps import the profile from somebody else first?

[opaque pebble]

but it might have been my gf then, after all i got it from a code she sent me

[deft cape]

yeah

[opaque pebble]

yeah

[deft cape]

probably that

[cursive pebble]

Hello, I can now

But if you say something that I might not understand because I don't know english well..

[deft cape]

it's ok no need to talk, i'll just be muted as well, i just need you to share screen me so i can see your microphone settings

[cursive pebble]

okay

[plucky aspen]

@deft cape is @deft cape the creator of mirage by @deft cape?

[deft cape]

@deft cape is indeed the creator of mirage by @deft cape

[shut cobalt]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[deft cape]

quite the discovery

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-nah-no-way-fr-no-shot-gif-25089961

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape glad to see the update got pushed live with a config option 🫡

Any changes since the last Experimental build?

or is it the same curve?

[deft cape]

same curve

[wind crown]

can you set a threshold so it doesnt create audio clips of only keyboard sounds?

[deft cape]

thats fixed in v2 with SileroVAD

like it wont record a bajillion empty clips because of background noise and keyboard clicks

[wind crown]

so in a future version of mirage?

[deft cape]

yup

[wind crown]

nice. thanks ^^

[deft cape]

v2 wont be for awhile though just an fyi

[wind crown]

oh okay. just wanted to ask if theres an ETA

[deft cape]

while silero vad is already implemented, there's still quite a bit to work on

honestly not sure

cant really say until a bit more progress is done

[wind crown]

alright. good things take their time

[fathom dust]

What kind of overhead does it add?

[ionic shoal]

regarding that setting, is it just for when someone turns into a masked? or does it disable all penalties regarding death?

[deft cape]

pretty much none, when i tested it on/off, i noticed no difference in fps

[deft cape]

it's always disabled if set to false, but dont use it, that config is getting removed in the future

[fathom dust]

It gets rid of the death penalty entirely when it’s enabled

I know this because barch accidentally left it on in a version a few months back lol

[ionic shoal]

i just never changed it as i figured it altered the vanilla setting, but as it was being discussed, i figured id ask the question

[deft cape]

yeah the default keeps it vanilla

so just leaving it is fine

[ionic shoal]

so true = vanilla, false = no penalties at all?

[deft cape]

yep

was there back when spawnonplayerdeath was always enforced and natural spawnd werent a thing

[ionic shoal]

ah ok, then im using the right setting ;o (for me, for now), i just suddenly wondered if it only related to when people turn into masked, haha. thanks

[deft cape]

yee np

[dark talon]

good to know, thanks.

[regal jolt]

Hello, what should I do if my friend's voice is not recorded for some reason, both he and I hear mobs with my voice, but we both do not hear mobs with his voice, is there any solution to the problem?

[wispy fable]

where will the v2 voices be uploaded to to train the ai?

while I understand and like the concept per se I have a feeling that the involvement of AI and voice learning could cause huge privacy issues

[viral obsidian]

I think I remember hearing that the training model will be downloaded locally for the host so that shouldn't cause privacy concerns

Unless I'm remembering wrong ofc

[lofty sorrel]

It converts the audio to text and THEN AI gets involved, the voices have no need to be uploaded anywhere

[frigid dome]

How much storage do you think the model will take up?

[lofty sorrel]

But also the mod, I imagine, will be checked over by Thunderstore staff to make sure it's safe, given the nature

[clever knot]

Yeah that AI won't mimic your voice, it'll just choose an appropriate audio file given the context.

[zealous root]

with the exception of masked enemy overhaul we used the one by homelssginger but it destroyed our spawn rates in v50

[lofty sorrel]

For the sake of conserving space I'm gonna reupload the list as a text file, could you delete your modslist?

[zealous root]

It was already in the v49 that they didnt move

[lofty sorrel]

Oh it only happened when you were using v49?

[zealous root]

no in V50 aswell

[lofty sorrel]

Would you happen to remember what moon you were on when the issue occurred?

[zealous root]

basically ever moon. even the company. i post a clip to the other chanel for you

[lofty sorrel]

The Company it makes sense cause nothing can move there

[zealous root]

ah ok no sense in that then

[lofty sorrel]

Not sure on the issue exactly just yet, but I will let you know that LethalExpansionCore doesn't work properly on v50

[zealous root]

I just watched an old clip and they were moving in v49. now im doubting myself if they stopped moving before v50

[zealous root]

@lofty sorrel Everything works now as intended. Thanks

[deft cape]

sounds like the same issue @cursive pebble is having

unfortunately i don't know the cause/solution, and quite frankly ive never heard of this being a problem until now

[wispy fable]

but it has to learn to mimic the player's voice somehow I thought?

like these president meme sound videos are made by providing/feeding ai videos of presidential speeches

or am I missing something

[deft cape]

nah v2 isnt trying to synthesize your voice, it saves all your voice clips and then tries to learn over time how you respond to things, and then pick the best match

[wispy fable]

ohhh

alright that makes sense

yeah I thought it would somehow live feed an ai to pretty much be able to say anything in your voice by itself like new sentences and stuff

[deft cape]

nah tech isnt there yet for that

[wispy fable]

that would have been a bit creepy as well

[wispy fable]

but I like this idea

[deft cape]

plus saying new things might give away your speech pattern being different too

[lofty sorrel]

I don't think that sort of thing is even possible like at all unless they have a scan of your mfing vocal chords

[wispy fable]

I mean

iirc

some ai models available to the public (dall-e? not sure if thats for images or voice) apparently only need 17 seconds of your voice nowadays to be able to create authentic voice deepfakes

which is mildly terrifying imo but yeah not 100% sure about that

[lofty sorrel]

17 seconds of you making standardised sounds sure, but not a natural 17 seconds of speech

[wicked elbow]

I have severe performance issues with this mod installed for some weird reason

[regal jolt]

is there any function in the settings that blocks voice recording in the game?

[deft cape]

any error spam? usually performance issues is from a mod conflicy that causes a ton of errors

[deft cape]

dont think so

can you ask your friend to go to the lethal company folder

there should be a folder called "Mirage"

just see if the voice clips are recorded properly

folder might've been deleted though so they'd have to go in game and then look at the folder at the same time

[regal jolt]

and where is this folder located?

[deft cape]

it's inside the lethal company folder, unless thats what u mean

[regal jolt]

for example, I don't have such a folder, although my voice is played on mobs

[lofty sorrel]

It gets deleted when the game closes

[regal jolt]

my friend has this folder, but I don't

[regal jolt]

we both don't have the game turned on, but I don't have this folder, and my friend does

[lofty sorrel]

Are your config files different?

[deft cape]

sometimes it doesnt get deleted properly

on game close

but that does mean your friend probably does have recordings being created

it's the same issue as coolfreak then

[regal jolt]

my friend has recordings of our conversations in this folder, but I don't have such a folder.

[deft cape]

recordings are being created but it's never played for anyone

[deft cape]

i get that, it just wasnt deleted properly for your friend as it normally does, but thats not really a "problem"

i tried to look for a solution for hours yesterday with coolfreak sharing their screen

couldn't find anything im afraid

[regal jolt]

and what is the explanation for the fact that I hear my voice and a friend hears my voice from mobs, but his voice is not heard

[deft cape]

i already said i dont know lol

if i did i'd be able to think of a solution

[regal jolt]

Actually, thank you for trying to figure out the situation, since we had the same problem in the skinwalkers mod, but the developer didn't even try to figure it out.

[deft cape]

i really do wonder what the problem could be since there's 2 reports of this problem now

i thought it could be a locale problem but

coolfreak said they're on the same locale as their friends

[regal jolt]

Well, my friend and I are in the same country , but quite far from each other

[deft cape]

nah thats not the problem

since ur friend cant hear themself either

it's happening locally as well

honestly no clue, my guess is just that the audio files arent being read properly for whatever reason

[regal jolt]

and it can't depend on the fact that the computer is weak?

[deft cape]

nah

mirage isnt heavyweight

works fine on bad pcs

[deft cape]

what was the issue you were having, and what was the solution? just curious

nvm i see it's masked enemies not moving

idk why that'd be a problem though. you found out the problem right? what was it coming from?

[zealous root]

I never found the problem. We only adjusted the spawn rates a little and it works now again

[deft cape]

so masked enemies still freeze then?

i feel like there are enough reports of this recently that it's concerning

im not sure if i broke something

[zealous root]

no it works now. We tried to reproduce it but they werent frozen anymore

[deft cape]

ah odd... glad it's not an issue anymore though

[plucky aspen]

I feel like this mod should increase the likelyhood of hearing a line again if it occurs from a monster shortly before a kill. That way the more believable lines that work are used more often. Or at least it would be cool

[deft cape]

check pins about v2 that should address any concerns about making it more believable

[plucky aspen]

Don’t mind me, just adding opinions even tho I haven’t played in forever

[deft cape]

oh yeah you should read the pinned message eithet way though :D

@fathom dust i think the invisible masked issue you were having is related to SpawnOnPlayerDeath

seems like the feature might be bugged

[fathom dust]

I have that option disabled

[deft cape]

oh idk then

[fathom dust]

thanks anyhow lol

it happens rarely enough that it isn't a huge deal at least

[deft cape]

was about to say that SpawnOnPlayerDeath at least worked fine in my local tests but lunxara and tom seemed to have that issue coming from it

ah bet

[mild lake]

does the error look like this?

[deft cape]

i believe thats a vanilla error thats fixed by starlanceraifix

[plucky aspen]

Ah yes my nemesis audioknight

[deft cape]

audioknight the goat

[plucky aspen]

But he has audio in his name, there can only be one

https://tenor.com/view/parasyte-lock-in-locked-in-serious-meme-gif-13189278796605253304

[deft cape]

and only one of you has audio in their name 🤭

[plucky aspen]

Smh some people just can’t understand

[dark brook]

players that left can still be mimicked but without their cosmetics

[deft cape]

oh yeah i forgot about that

@alpine patio drop your logs here, i'll tske a look at it in a bit

[alpine patio]

how do i do it?

[eternal bridge]

IT'S 10 HOUR BURST MAN

🏃

[alpine patio]

its like those things that pops up after launching lethal company modded?

[deft cape]

yeah that

if you go on r2modman

go to settings, and then type "log" into the search bar

there should be a button that copies your log to your clipboard

just paste it in here

[alpine patio]

oh and also this one

[deft cape]

alright thanks

ill take a look in 10 mins

just grabbing some food rn

[alpine patio]

alr

thanks

[deft cape]

@alpine patio were you host?

[alpine patio]

yes

[deft cape]

well that's odd, your logs don't really show any info, like it doesn't seem like it even got past loading into the game

mirage is supposed to register some prefabs and that never gets logged as well

[alpine patio]

so you didnt fount anything?

[deft cape]

well just odd that your logs are so empty for whatever reason

do you have the default mirage config

[alpine patio]

Yes

only the spawn of the skinwalker after a player death is setted to 100%

[deft cape]

hmmmm

@alpine patio can you test right now?

[alpine patio]

ok

in multiplayer with my friend?

[deft cape]

yeah

just go into another game and then send the logs again

wait

out of curiosity actually

in single player what moon were you testing on

and in multiplayer what moons were you on?

[alpine patio]

experimentation

[alpine patio]

still experimentation

[deft cape]

cuz i wonder if that has to do with it

oh

nvm then

ok yeah just do a multiplayer test rn in experimentation and then send logs

[alpine patio]

ok im testing it rn

[deft cape]

can you send logs a bit after you load into the moon

and another log more towards the end of the day or something

[alpine patio]

ok this one below me is when i started the moon

i started the moon now

[deft cape]

i see it this time

so hopefully masked do spawn

[alpine patio]

oh

is there a way to change spawn rate?

[deft cape]

i looked at my code rn and im not too sure how to do a quick fix so i think i'll just look into it after v2 is done

[deft cape]

yeah in the config

[alpine patio]

ok

ill test now with 100%

[deft cape]

wait test with it at like

90%

im not sure if 100% would even work actually

[alpine patio]

ok

[alpine patio]

thanks man

it worked

your mod is fantastic i laughed a lot

[deft cape]

oh nice glad to see it's working 😄

[twilit monolith]

it sure do be

well, it shouldn't ever occur in vanilla, I think originally it was some other mod adding meshrenderers and then not removing them

[deft cape]

oh right wasn't that morecompany

i don't quite remember

[twilit monolith]

Maybe? I don't either, so I didn't wanna say 🤭

[eternal bridge]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1236284510405001246

[solar stirrup]

Hey i have a few questions:

• Is there or will there be an option to change masked spawn weights on different moons?
• Does having maskedenemyoverhaulfork disable mirage end of day spawning curve? (I have both installed and there is always a masked waiting for me on vow assurance and adamance is always filled with 3 masked 1 minute in)
• What are the main features of maskedoverhaul that mirage does not have?
  I would be grateful if someone answers these questions

[eternal bridge]

Yes

[rain mountain]

2. there is not really any reason to have MEO or MEOF if you have this mod
3. see above

[solar stirrup]

Thanks

[viral obsidian]

Well technically there are some adjacent features that MEOF has like the zombie apocalypse

[deft cape]

i do want to point out that having 3 masked means another mod is overwriting the max # of masked enemies

mirage has it set to 2

(for naturally spawned masked enemies that is)

SpawnOnPlayerDeath obviously doesn't follow any of the regular spawning rules

[eternal bridge]

qwbarch whats with the pfp change??

i liked ur old one

[deft cape]

i just got tired of it, i kinda like the more "default" looking discord pfps 😛

[eternal bridge]

goku drip

[dark brook]

shouldve used this one obv

[deft cape]

😳

[dark brook]

i just subconsciounsly made a connection with discord pfps and reddit and it just ruined the whole idea for me

cool pfp btw

[eternal bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/judgement-cat-cat-angry-cat-cat-face-cat-forehead-gif-4731341898773190051

[deft cape]

I've been thinking about this for awhile, and I have unfortunate news regarding changing the masked ai behaviour.
While I will continue to work on v2 and finish the currently planned features, I will no longer be reworking the masked ai behaviour at all.

After v2 is complete, this project will mostly be in maintenance mode, where I will provide bug-fixes if they're major enough, and I will try to get the mod to a stable point.
Once v2 is stable enough, unless I'm just sitting around and bored one day, I will not be adding features anymore.

My reason is simple: I've spent way too much time on this project, and want to work on other things that'll help me start my career.
I hope you all understand, and I apologize for not delivering everything I promised, but I realized I need to shift my priorities elsewhere.

But to reiterate, I will still be completing v2 with oeis for the voice recognition + machine learning changes. Only the masked ai behaviour changes that was promised is being dropped.

[dark brook]

Sad news no matter how you look at it, but completely understandable, thanks for putting all the work into mirage, it would be hard to imagine lethal without your work! Wishing you good luck in future endeavors

[eternal bridge]

NOOO NOOOO NOOOOOAARRRRR

so no holding things?? dang

[deft cape]

hopefully someone else picks up changing the masked ai behaviour, maybe if piggy becomes interested in reworking maskedairevamp again that'd be great

[gusty oasis]

i think too many emotes is working on maskeds but i could be wrong

[amber grove]

Working for me

[amber grove]

All good, I think it’s pretty much perfect as it is. Even if it is in maintenance mode it’s still a definite go-to for me

[oblique wasp]

Are there any future plans to add custom model support?

[viral obsidian]

#1200695291972685926 message

So I'd guess not

[oblique wasp]

damn

[clever knot]

We use the same cursor

Unless that's not Anathema White and a similar one lol

[deft cape]

couldn't you just use #1187188516644474911

[oblique wasp]

Bad wording, mb. At the current moment mirages can't copy models and will just be a deformed version of that model making it obvious what is and isn't a mirage.

[deft cape]

it's supposed to be able to, bunya added support for it awhile back

support for cosmetics and whatnot is made by the other mods themselves, not mirage FYI

[oblique wasp]

Oh really? Maybe bad mod combos.

[deft cape]

possible that just the specific model you have doesnt work for whatever reason

i tested ModelReplacementAPI awhile back and it definitely worked

[crimson sandal]

Hello, wondering if anyone encouter Masked keep stucking when crossing gate?

[deft cape]

this wouldn't be coming from mirage, there's no changes to the masked ai

[crimson sandal]

Thank you for answering. I'll try to look out what's causing it. 🙂

[broken mango]

these guys will not survive using Mirage v2 just saying-

also idk if they're using mirage

https://youtu.be/2n26lTth4ZI?si=m7TW903qYje8OHzx

[deft cape]

lmao that first interaction

[deft cape]

so progress update for v2: i've more or less finished rewriting the stuff i wanted to rewrite/fix.
tomorrow i'll be doing a quick bugfix for v1, and then after that, will be out of town for a week so no v2 progress for a week.
once i'm back, oeis and i will finally start hooking up our code together to hopefully get something working that we can test with (won't be ready for public tests fyi)

@lofty sorrel also since you've asked about being able to just drop any audio file and have mirage stream it over to other clients, i've fixed the logic that i mentioned being broken in v1 for v2, so you'll be able to do that during v2 as well

[deft cape]

@eternal bridge i think you requested this right? https://github.com/qwbarch/mirage/issues/57
i forgot about it for the previous update, so i'll add this tomorrow as well

[light jacinth]

any masks that spawn.. even through vanilla spawning will have the appearance of a random player right?

finally got around to trying v50. made a very light modpack with few mods.
everyone was wearing the new bunny suits, but the spawned masks werent wearing them.
they were wearing default company suits.

didnt even have morecompany or any cosmetics/suits mods installed

now masks created through wearing the mask did have the proper suit (bunny)

[hollow spoke]

It would be cool if in a future update that when enemies mimic you're voice, it would have a chance to sound wrong. Like it could be distorted, or play backwards, or have a higher or lower pitch. Just an idea, it could lead to some pretty funny or scary moments.

[gusty oasis]

skinwalkers does different pitches

[hollow spoke]

Really, i never knew that.

[gusty oasis]

yee

[hollow spoke]

Why not add it to this mod too?

[gusty oasis]

idk, wouldnt fool u as well ig

youd know its a monster

[hollow spoke]

Yeah but it would be pretty creepy, maybe it could be like a chance for them to sound different.

[gusty oasis]

yea

[deft cape]

it's supposed to yeah, is this suit one of the vanilla suits from v50 or something

ill do a test later to double check if it's broken

[deft cape]

not planned

[torpid arch]

v50 vanilla

[deft cape]

thats hella odd, it's supposed to work by default

[eternal bridge]

?

[light jacinth]

yes it’s a purchaseable suit in vanilla

[deft cape]

i must've remembered wrong

[deft cape]

shouldnt be any issues then but ill investigate tonight

[uncut rampart]

Big props to you from me and my boyfriend.

These mimics are shit scary and fun to fight.

They're smart enough to trick us quite a lot.

[deft cape]

glad y'all liked it 🥺

[lofty sorrel]

Matty came to kill us despite having left the game a couple games ago :(

[deft cape]

ill try and fix that tonight

if i do end up working on the mod at least

[deft cape]

@light jacinth if you're talking about them looking like this, i'm afraid that's a vanilla bug

masked do copy the suit, they just don't copy the ears

that's an issue zeekers needs to fix

Mirage v1.7.0 is released:

• Added a config entry RecordWhileDead, that continues to record a player's voice while they're dead. Default value: false.
• Fixed a bug that caused monsters to try to mimic disconnected players (resulting in no sound, since players must be connected in order to send their voices to others).

[ionic shoal]

lmao, i totally agree.. only way we have to tell a masked from a real player is the times that they say stuff that makes no sense.. and im also using the better nameplates mod, which shows up from a mile away, trying to tone that down, so you dont know its a masked until your too close, because as you say... they are tricky xD and the nameplate, while great for players, takes away something from the mimicking masked lol

[wind crown]

where does mirage save the audio clips?

[tawdry bough]

lethal company steam directory i think? there’s a mirage folder im pretty sure

[hollow spoke]

Oh well, maybe one day.

[deft cape]

yep that's correct

[deft cape]

mb i just realized my reply sounded a bit rude, it's just something i personally dont think makes sense in mirage since my goal is to try to make it better to decept players (with v2), and that goes against that thought process

not to mention im also probably not going to work on new features after v2 is done

[uncut rampart]

Is inclusion of AI voices planned?

I know it's a titanic effort.

But.

Maybe you're well-versed in code and ambitious enough to plan it.

Just curious.

[deft cape]

@uncut rampart check this for v2 plans

[uncut rampart]

Thank u. Sorry for probably being annoying with the question. I bet it's common.

[deft cape]

just to be clear though it doesn't train off your voice to simulatr yout voice, it learns how you respond to things over time and tries to pick the best recording to respond with

[uncut rampart]

Makes sense.

[light jacinth]

huh i guess the ears aren’t a part of the suit or something

[deft cape]

nah it's totally fine actually, pretty common to wonder about it so i just point people towards the pinned message

[uncut rampart]

Inserting actually AI voice generation in a Lethal Company mod...

Is kinda fantastic.

[deft cape]

yeah and zeekers forgot to make it copy over to masked enemies 😭

[uncut rampart]

Not at its current quality level.

And current LC resources.

[uncut rampart]

I mean, most free / cheaper ones can't even reliably generate a voice of a celebrity / popular media character, even after being trained on a shitton of audio.

[deft cape]

yea training it to simulate your voice on the fly cant be done AFAIK

tech isnt there yet

[uncut rampart]

And imagine connecting that to a LC mod.

Yup yup.

[deft cape]

so what's planned for v2 is the best compromise

[dense nimbus]

i think making ai voices of random players ingame would be kind of questionable anyways lol

[broken mango]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lag-gif-22868483

the hoarding bug singing cotton eye joe in my voice

[deft cape]

thats another thing, that kinda raises privacy concerns imo

[uncut rampart]

One day, I'm sure, I'll hear the mimic spitting racial slurs in my bf's voice.

But not now.

[broken mango]

but yeah I like how you're doing this and it's much better and allows for more creepy moments

[dense nimbus]

yea lmao

[uncut rampart]

It's really scary at times.

I died and that shitter spawned.

Asking my bf "Eugene where are you?" and stuff.

[dense nimbus]

yea when i heard about v2 having like ai i was abit unsure but when i found out it was just like voice recognition (?) and making it like play clips at specific like appropriate times it sounds cool lol

[gloomy crow]

That would be ungodly cool but yet again ungodly hard, and by hard I mean literally impossible currently

[uncut rampart]

It's already quite smart, from my experience.

But making it even smarter and user-specific in future? Yes please.

[dense nimbus]

it just kinda plays random clips right now doesnt it lol

[clever knot]

Yeah it's just random clips rn

[deft cape]

yeah i realized i gotta clarify it more cuz ppl seemed to think it's gonna train off their voice, which is definitely iffy

[deft cape]

yup

[uncut rampart]

At least Mirage appropriately cuts them.

[dense nimbus]

i cant remember if i was playing this mod or skinwalkers but it was funny once being stuck in a like room with a coil head as it meowed at me in my gfs voice lol

[deft cape]

tech wise it'd be cool if it worked, but personally i'd be iffy of having my voice used for an ai model

[uncut rampart]

And it doesn't seem brainless despite being random.

[gloomy crow]

Actually I retract that statement, voice clips make the mimic more creepy and make it actually possible to escape the mimic

[deft cape]

im sure it'd be possible in a decade when the tech companies open source something of the sort

[uncut rampart]

OH I REMEMBER THE MIMIC RICKROLLING ME IN MY BFS VOICE.

[deft cape]

are u on push to talk

just curious

[uncut rampart]

It's funny cause he got everything but the first sentence wrong.

[gloomy crow]

Plus even in 10 years I think the AI is gonna get confused between the music I was blasting earlier and my gutteral screaming as I die

[uncut rampart]

I'll have to check, but we just... You know. Talk. Without pressing anything.

[gloomy crow]

I don't need my voice to sound like an EDM song

[deft cape]

btw wb ouk it's been awhile since i've seen u around

[deft cape]

ah thats voice activity then

[uncut rampart]

Yes!

[gloomy crow]

Yeah lol, decided to pop in for funzies

[gloomy crow]

Probably gonna figure out if my old is bricked cuz of v50 and figure it out from there

[deft cape]

voice activity users will like v2 since it records way less empty audio clips now

it probably will be tbh

lot of popular mods broke

[gloomy crow]

Likely

[uncut rampart]

I don't know what the dev did in v50, but modded plays are so buggy.

Varies from perma lobby loadings to all suits being orange.

[deft cape]

btw @gloomy crow u should check out #1212451384021221457 if you ever want to collab with ppl since u had cool ideas

[gloomy crow]

I'm just glad that LCVR is working

[deft cape]

oh shit i gotta brb

[uncut rampart]

Take care.

[gloomy crow]

You are a saint for showing me this

[deft cape]

it's just mostly mods authors not fixing their mods tbh, zeekers didnt do anything in particular

[deft cape]

yeah if u ever wanna collab with them im sure they'd love to, there's a tooon of people working on it together

[gloomy crow]

Tbh I'm tryna redo some of the sound effects I got for sum I made

For the idea I had

So I probably will try to

[uncut rampart]

Risk of Rain 2 has a smaller community, but they seem overall more responsible.

Hooked by Thunderstore and r2modman, roo.

But.

Some stuff still occurs.

Like.

Wesley's moons not working.

They released a patch today, and suddenly, everything became normal.

No endless "your seed is xxxxx" loading.

[dense nimbus]

wait it records empty clips? i always assumed it like only recorded something if there was any like talking/noise

[hollow violet]

This was due to wesley’s moons being on LECore, which was not updated for v50. So he took the time to switch to LLL alongside optimizing them.

[uncut rampart]

I see.

Good job, then?

[light jacinth]

i mean ror2 has been around longer than lc. so it’s had more time for the modding scene to mature.

everyone’s modding the game with their own differing solutions. hopefully something like LLL becomes the common ground for most modders, but it’s still in the works.

[viral obsidian]

The shift is definitely there

Mods have been buggy lately due to this and v50 happening around the same time

Just the circumstances, otherwise lethal mods weren't this temperamental either

[uncut rampart]

I have no reason not to believe you, but I just want you to understand that such was my first impression.

Our runs are infested with glitches 😦

[light jacinth]

you have every reason to believe me. after all i am a stranger from the internet. a trusted source. ✅
😎

[deft cape]

it's just that dissonance vad (and most voice activity detectors in general) pick up a lot of sounds, so it records things that arent ideal

it's fixed in mirage v2 using SileroVAD

[dense nimbus]

o lol

[deft cape]

yeah LLL definitely seems to be becoming the standard

but yeah with how voice activity is rn, the recordings folder often has tiny audio clips containing random noise

[plucky aspen]

Dissonance❌ resonance✅

[granite musk]

The audio detector is strong in this one

[ionic shoal]

is there any public registered output of the audio the masked are playing?

for example.. skin walkers has this as the variable to get the audio, which can be used in other mods, but i also realise, skinwalkers isnt synced, so things maybe very different there.

SkinwalkerModPersistent.Instance.GetSample()

I was looking through your code, and frankly, I dont understand the language you are using (im a strictlly c# sort of guy :P), but the closest thing i found to the above for mirage is "voicePlayback", but i am not sure that is correct, and I certainly dont think i can access it like the skinwalkers get sample can be accessed.

[viral obsidian]

The language is F#, a functional variant of C# to be crude

Technically you could just access the audio clips from the file system if there isn't an api provided for it?

[ionic shoal]

well, my aim is for the same audio that mirage plays, to be re-used, so i would then need to work out which clip is played by mirage, and access the same clip xD

I was hoping as i said, there would be an accessible object I could use as i noticed skin walkers has one, but upon looking at the code, i realised life isnt as simple 🙂

and ah, heard of Fsharp, never seen it before, i guess spending a decade buried in C# hasnt done me any good.

[limber raft]

does the voice icon show with mirage when using nameplatetweaks?

[ionic shoal]

the masked do not get the nameplate afaik.

[limber raft]

alright, thanks!

[deft cape]

i could always expose a method for you to use, whats your goal? modify the audio on the fly?

[ionic shoal]

nope, no plans to edit the audio, i know nothing about audio xD

I am going to try to make a new AI mod that will (hopefully and eventually) tweak multiple AIs in the game.

I asked piggy if i can use MaskedAIRevamp as a starting point, they said ok, so, i figured the first thing i will add is this feature which MAIR<->skinwalkers has, but MAIR<->mirage didnt seem to have.

I dont know if its something that occurs in mirage already as frankly, my group dont use walkies much, but in the brief time we have used them with masked spawning, Im not sure the masked have ever spoken over the walkie talkies.

[deft cape]

oh is the goal to modify the ais of existing enemies? cuz in that case i dont think you'd need to do anything with mirage

oh wait

i think you're trying to do the walki talkie thing huh

[ionic shoal]

yes, the walkie talkie thing ;o

[eternal bridge]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1236284510405001246

[deft cape]

ill take a look at what piggy does so i can expose a method for it

but cant touch it till monday cuz im out of town without a pc rn

[ionic shoal]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1213985643382710374

[eternal bridge]

g

nah nah

[ionic shoal]

no worries, no rush, just thought id ask.

literally all piggy does is check if skinwalkers is installed, and then gets a "sample" clip from skinwalkers.

i planned to check mirage is installed.. then do the same, but when i found nothing similar, i was just looking for any option possible, but then found none.

[eternal bridge]

that would be a good starting point cuz it's just enabling/disabling/editing parts of the built-in masked AI

to kinda test ur abilities?? idk

[eternal bridge]

this im talkn abot

[ionic shoal]

lol i get it, i was just responding with a thread I actually already had my eye on.

[eternal bridge]

i dont know if the modding community (or at least a big enough part of it) has realized just how much can be done with masked

like they have SO MUCH potential

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1221614014954606645

obligitory thread plug

[ionic shoal]

wow. my message got blocked :3 let me re-word, lmao

[eternal bridge]

YOU HAVE BEEN TYPING FOR LIKE 3 MINUTES

[ionic shoal]

yeah its long.. i thought me telling people to ... (pretending to be a masked) was causing it.

to be blocked.

[eternal bridge]

ayways

[ionic shoal]

so ill split this down..

well... this may not be the exact place to discuss it, but, i agree, ive always thought that.

for example, in piggys mod, the masked use the terminal to order a fake item ship, as well as possibly use terminal codes (never seen it, but looking at the code, thats the impression i get) to open/close doors in the facility, turn off landmines, etc...

my thought is, why stop there.

pull the horn
use the signal translator ("danger", "safe", and other short phrases, a lot of which, ive personally sent to my group)
use the teleporter

even piggy put in a setting for using the take off lever... what if it sent a signal translator message that was like... "hahaha", "... humans".. and then counted down from 60 to 0... then pulled the lever.

basically.. genuinely be an ass... and.. obviously.. if people dont like a feature, i was going to rework the config so people can turn individual features on/off.

changing individual abilities (like their run speed, and how far away they can see you) wasnt in my plan, never even thought of it tbh, but maybe i will.

[eternal bridge]

i usually disable their terminal stuff cuz they just all pile up and don't do anything

thats the other thing is masked in that AI mod stand around and do nothing a lot, and they only really start attacking if there's more than like, 2 of them

[ionic shoal]

well yeah, i already worked that out.. the masked do a lot of the "same", and they need to be taught to have a bit of variety in their lives.

[eternal bridge]

maybe starting with editing the base values and turning that into a mod like [my idea]

hold on idea imma add it to that mod

[ionic shoal]

i think its more just a case that randomness is in full flow.. and randomness just often = do nothing

[eternal bridge]

what do you think of the idea

[ionic shoal]

its like the random weather... sometimes its garbage everywhere for days.. so maybe something like weather tweaks does, but for "what the masked is doing" is required.. so they dont just stay there doing nothing, or doing the same thing

[eternal bridge]

yeah, they already have modes but they all do the same thing in unison, i'm pretty sure it's designed so that they're supposed to all do different stuff, but something isn't working right and they all do the same thing

[ionic shoal]

im not sure they all do the same thing.

im not too familiar with it, but, i think every time a masked spawns, its patched individually. i could be wrong though, either way its random number generation causing their choices..so if they had more options of things to do.. and also, if they had more guidance on what should be the likely next action in favour of other actions.. then they might be less repetitive and might have more purpose to their actions.

[eternal bridge]

^ ?

[ionic shoal]

in maskedairevamp the masked already have personalities, that is the way i understood your idea, except the personality would be fixed upon what mask they spawn with.

[eternal bridge]

no the

the thread i posteed

[ionic shoal]

oh it said unknown, so i didnt check it.

[eternal bridge]

💀

[ionic shoal]

its a lot of things said, some good, some bad, my thoughts were, once i actually have an updated release ill read github issues for suggestions/bug fixes, so your welcome to post them all there one by one once i have made that available.

being honest, i keep hearing reports of MaskedAIRevamp falling over and breaking... i never see it myself, so id rather fix those issues before adding massive changes.

[deft cape]

yeah sounds good i'll think of a simple interface to use

[soft hollow]

eclipse yba

[ionic shoal]

i dont know what that means xD

[soft hollow]

dawg, you be glad you dont

nothing offensive to you btw

just had a brainrot moment

[ionic shoal]

never thought it was, i just.. dont understand 😦 i like understanding 😮

[soft hollow]

you have the same pfp as a youtuber known for playing a shitty roblox fighting game

[ionic shoal]

interesting, link? my picture is old as f... i forget where i got it from.. but i guarantee i got it before roblox existed.. i can only assume its similar.. not the same.

nevermind, found it, and yeah its different,im sure there are wolves like that everywhere tbh

[soft hollow]

oh shit he changed his pfp

used to be exactly yours

or maybe

im tweakin

[viral obsidian]

Just looked him up, he has a wolf facing left

[ionic shoal]

looks similar, but i doubt they changed it, I have also streamed in the past, and Im aware that streamers like a "consistant brand", so i doubt they changed it.

[deft cape]

@ionic shoal since what you're doing is a WIP, is it alright to wait until v2 for this functionality? i wanna have a simpler public interface, but i'd have to refactor a couple stuff, and i don't really feel like doing it in v1

[ionic shoal]

thats fine, just figured people may want this if they use both mods, i find it a shame it wasnt done before so was just thinking id resolve that 🙂

[deft cape]

gotcha i'll try and coordinate it with you when i have a bit more work done first then

[noble cobalt]

hey. Last night we updated to the newest release of mirage and none of our group could join each other. it was our only mod update that night and disabling it meant we could connect again. Anyone know the cause?

[deft cape]

honestly not sure why the latest update would prevent you from joining the lobby

i'd recommend just staying on the previous version if that one worked for you

[noble cobalt]

yeah its just that one for some reason, we tried it again today and the same happened. Thanks tho :p

[deft cape]

really not sure why the latest update causes that, im curious if it's happened to anyone else

[noble cobalt]

the error message we got was that the host had already started the ship or something

if that helps :|

[deft cape]

latest update is so simple that idk how thats even possible tbh

unless theres more reports of it i'll probably just ignore it for now

[solemn ridge]

I've not experienced this issue at all so probably some other mod causing problems

[solemn ridge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SullenBoringQuailRickroll-_QERshytCRj3RfKV @deft cape

[uncut rampart]

Not to us.

Me and bf played fine yesterday.

[slim basin]

is it normal behaviour for a masked to not attack clients? they just dancewalk into clients but not actually attacking

[torpid pecan]

I think from a spectating pov yes
Its a lag thing
From their pov the masked isnt actually touching them yet

If on their screen, the mask is touching them and doing nothing then something is wrong

[deft cape]

YEP

[deft cape]

yeah i figured i'd have gotten a ton of reports if it's happening to everyone

[deft cape]

are you getting what zeta described?
if they can never kill a client that's a bit concerning

[slim basin]

it does sound like he is correct, i was only spectating, will try later if clients can actually die

[deft cape]

yeah often times from a spectating pov it looks like they're touching, but on the other player's pov they're not touching

[dark brook]

ah fck gi updated and added this

i wonder which mod will overwrite which

[trail cargo]

would just disable it in GI

GI is generally set up so that if a feature is disabled it just doesn't hook into the game at all, so should be no conflict

[dark brook]

yeah you're probably right

[dense nimbus]

whats gi?

[tawdry bough]

GeneralImprovements

[dense nimbus]

oh okie

[dawn cloud]

V2 progress?

[deft cape]

sorry for the late response, currently out of town so i'm not working on mirage rn

but where i left it off, i finished rewriting the main things i wanted to fix

so once i get back, oeis and i will be hooking our code up together so we might be seeing some results soon

although it'll likely need a lot of tweaking and won't be ready for public beta tests yet

[dawn cloud]

all good

[dawn cloud]

Bet

[noble cobalt]

we found the issue if anyone else gets the issue. another mod had a mod called 'lobby compatibility' that somehow got 2 guys of our packs. somehow only messed with mirage, we're not sure why but if anyone gets the same issue look for that mod

thanks for your help though :)

[deft cape]

did everyone have lobby compatibility? if not, thats definitely why

good to know though, if anyone has that symptom in the future i'll know where to look, so thanks for mentioning that

[eternal bridge]

this is why you need to share codes instead of letting people manually download

[deft cape]

true though, it's way easier to keep things the same by sharing profile codes

[ionic shoal]

^ also, lobby compatibility works with mirage, i use both.

the problem.. is afaik, as follows..

you download lobby compatibility... with your modpack -> you start the game.. the game isnt actually ready to play, but starts anyway... its then missing X mods, but doesnt warn you...

so you jump into your friends game, its buggy as shit... BUT if you have lobby compatibility.. it knows your game isnt correct vs the host.. so it blocks you from joining but wont explain why.. because your game "thinks" you have everything, but you dont.

re-open the game and join again.. and it should work.. but only after your game "has everything"

how i know:- my group love joining last minute, they download the pack, and the moment it hits 100%... and they can hit the "play modded" blue button, they open the game... they always cant join, lobby compatibility always blocks them, they always say its "broken", and explain this issue, i always tell them to open the game as its been 4/5 minutes now since they downloaded the pack 🙂

i should say the "pack", i mean, the thunderstore profile... 🙂

[deft cape]

interesting, didnt know thats a thing

like being able to start the game "early" when it's not fully ready yet

[eternal bridge]

why do you use periods so much in your sentences

[ionic shoal]

pauses. i write a lot... i try to give people a pause rather than just monolog it for 3 years, sometimes i put too many in. i used to write SCREENS of text in conversations lmao

[eternal bridge]

you are stoopid

https://tenor.com/view/fman-half-life-alyx-its-called-dark-humor-dark-humor-gif-20528693

[deft cape]

ngl i didnt even notice the periods at all

[eternal bridge]

you are smart

https://tenor.com/view/dark-humor-gman-gif-21276179

[deft cape]

@eternal bridge thought u got the modder role for a sec there

was about to ask what mod 😭

wanted to see what u cooked up

[eternal bridge]

oh yeah i got a few mods

:)

[deft cape]

wait fr which

[eternal bridge]

just go on thunderstore and search sagey

[deft cape]

i only see the fan artist role so i was assuming it's from something elsr

bet

[eternal bridge]

they're all sound replacement mods tho

[deft cape]

ah

Mirage

[eternal bridge]

wait wat

what was it before? slirage??

[deft cape]

previously had the v50 tag 😂

removed it since v50 has been out for awhile now

[noble cobalt]

we do share codes but theres a few client side things we like to do our own ways. we think the mod came from the secret labs pack which most of us removed since it just kept breaking our game. turns out they added another mod to it that also broke the game

[noble cobalt]

yeah it just gave a really odd error message

it said something about the host already having taken off even when the game shouldve been joinable

[soft hollow]

i have no clue
what caused this
or what combination of mods caused this
so im gonna point fingers at everyone and no one

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/2cDkv4XEuenVJ8/d1337eoq2Lxb?invite=cr-MSxrb2QsMTQ3NDQxNTIs

[deft cape]

what in the flying fuck LMAOO

infinite credits glitch???

[soft hollow]

I experienced

some horror

testing tonight

some looney tunes scp bullshit

[deft cape]

that only started after the teleporter got used

🤨

[soft hollow]

what I believed happened

is that I teleported the body

GI automatically collects dead bodies

but for some reason

it kept

collecting the body

you can see the body collected icon glitching out in the middle of my screen

[deft cape]

ah makes sense, honestly since you all maintain slightly different packs, you should all just install lobbycompatibility to make finding conflicts easier imo

[deft cape]

ohhhhhhhhhh

must be a pretty recent bug cuz i dont remember that being an issue

[noble cobalt]

Yeah that would be so useful. Thank you for your help :)

[quaint leaf]

Can somebody tell me what's the point of masked overhaul if Mirage already does everything except the zombie invasion mode

I've seen people use both together but idk why

Does masked overhaul add other stuff besides the removed mask and zombie hands that Mirage already adds?

[deft cape]

maskedenemyoverhaulfork also makes masked enemies set off mines i think

other than that there isnt too much of a point of using both together, unless you want the zombie apocalypse feature

[quaint leaf]

Ah, thanks for the insight

I already use Fair Ai for that

[deft cape]

yeah in that case you're fine with only mirage installed

[quaint leaf]

I got one more question

[sturdy python]

Don't recall this being a thing

[quaint leaf]

Will this mod support Model replacement API someday?

I noticed that when using custom models it just doesn't seem to load at all on masked

It makes me wanna avoid using the API since it makes masked too easy to identify if you're using a custom model

[sturdy python]

Think that's something you should take to that mod since it's supposed to do it itself already

[deft cape]

it's a new feature iirc, maybe it's not on by default

[sturdy python]

It is on by default I just downloaded to remember what I used it for specifically lol

[deft cape]

already supported, thats supported by modelreplacementapi itself

if a model isnt loaded thats an issue with that model or modelreplacementapi

[quaint leaf]

Hold up when did that get updated!? This is amazing news

[sturdy python]

I used it for the "Reveal Mask When Attacking" feature, in terms of what Mirage doesn't have

[deft cape]

you should ask bunya about it in #1187188516644474911 if certain models are broken

[deft cape]

modelreplacementapi has supported it for awhile, i forgot patches which update though

[quaint leaf]

I'll check the changelog

[deft cape]

ah yeah i forgot about that

name tags are also another thing but it's broken so i just dont mention it

[sturdy python]

Friends complained Masked were too hard to figure out so im w/e about that thing lol

[quaint leaf]

Oh wow it was a very new feature

Like only one update ago

[sturdy python]

Albeit they play once in a blue moon so

[quaint leaf]

Time to find all the cursed models

[deft cape]

yeah new players get bamboozled by masked so easily

[sturdy python]

I don't really mind

[deft cape]

ah were u on an old version of modelreplacementapi

[sturdy python]

and the people that still want to play in the group, their drive to play is kinda

just

Lethal Casino

LMAO

[quaint leaf]

Lethal Casino is addicting

[sturdy python]

I added Emergency Dice for the mid-moon gambling too

[deft cape]

i havent tried lethalcasino cuz i wanna be playing the game instead of rolling slots 😂

[quaint leaf]

Good call

It's a masterpiece of a mod but it definitely adds waay too much downtime

[sturdy python]

It's also why i'm like, "why not just add 10 million things to buy" for whenever someone wins big

[quaint leaf]

I've never once won big enough to buy everything in the store

I think the casino is fairly balanced

[sturdy python]

oh same

[quaint leaf]

Unless you somehow roll a 34 on the spinning wheel game with a fairly high priced scrap

[sturdy python]

actually we did except we gambled it off and lost it instantly

[deft cape]

tbh if lethalcasino was on regular maps i'd probably get it

[quaint leaf]

That sounds like a cool idea

[deft cape]

only reason i dont want is cuz of downtime like loot bug mentioned

[quaint leaf]

Then you can sacrifice time on the moon

For a chance at a bigger payoff

[deft cape]

also cuz one person can go gamble if they want to, instead of every team member being forced to wait at the company building

[quaint leaf]

It would be so cool if you could find broken looking blackjack tables etc and use them on moons

[deft cape]

yeee thatd be pretty sick

[quaint leaf]

I wonder if that's planned in that thread

I wanna suggest it now

[sturdy python]

naur

[deft cape]

do it 😳

[sturdy python]

They're focused on the bar

[quaint leaf]

Rapidly approaching

Oooh yeah

The bar

I hope it's like Deep rock's bar

Pay for booster drinks with scrap

Maybe a speed boost drink

Jump height drink

[deft cape]

drunk drink makes your screen all woozy

[quaint leaf]

Like huffing tzp

[deft cape]

oh tzp already does that?

i still havent used it once yet

[quaint leaf]

Yeah, if you huff it enough

[deft cape]

ah

[quaint leaf]

Makes you all woozy

Distorts your hearing and sight

[deft cape]

too much drugs is bad kids

just a little bit is fine

[quaint leaf]

Too much tzp, now I can run around the ship a dozen times

Also I wonder if an AI overhaul is planned for mirage as well

I wish they'd walk more realistically

Randomly

[deft cape]

it was but i decided to drop that sadly, just cuz i gotta focus more on my career

[quaint leaf]

Instead of just pursuing a player, stopping, and staring

Fair enough

Hopefully it happens someday

[deft cape]

once v2 is done i prob wont be working on mirage too much anymore

although

the good news is

[quaint leaf]

Piggy was working on an AI overhaul but I think it got abandoned

[deft cape]

@ionic shoal decided to work on a revamp i believe

[quaint leaf]

Ooooh

Is there a thread

[deft cape]

need to go back to double check

actually good question

not sure if they started yet but if theres a WIP i definitely wanna see as well

[deft cape]

yeah sadly

[quaint leaf]

I remember it allowed the masked to hold items

It was super buggy though

But still cool

Gives you some sort of reward if they're holding some high value scrap

[deft cape]

@quaint leaf if u just wanna read up on what virus mentioned

[quaint leaf]

Looking forward to it aaaaaa

[deft cape]

yeah i was gonna do that if it's simple enough but

[quaint leaf]

Exciting

I wanna see the masked jump too

[deft cape]

if virus works on the ai revamp then no point adding that one specific feature since it'd probably conflict

masked jumping sounds kinda easy to spot as a fake tho ngl

[quaint leaf]

Also actually climb ladders properly

[deft cape]

unless ur friend group is full of ppl that jump all the time

[quaint leaf]

It can be somewhat rare

[deft cape]

yeah ive always wondered why it's coded the way it currently acts as

[quaint leaf]

So it's not too obvious

[quaint leaf]

Probably cause it's just easier that way

Most people don't care

[deft cape]

lmao good point

[quaint leaf]

I'd also like to see the masked actually jump across the pits in the facility instead of floating across

[deft cape]

i wish it's normal since it's the fastest giveaway of it being fake

[quaint leaf]

So far the only enemy effected by pits is spiders

They refuse to walk across them

Might be a big though ngl

Realistically the spider could just crawl along the wall

And get over the gap

[deft cape]

that part sounds a bit nontrivial to do to me, but that could just be because i dont know enough unity

[quaint leaf]

It might be a lot more advanced yeah

Nice to dream though

[deft cape]

yeah for sure

[quaint leaf]

I basically want masks to get to the point where it's master difficulty to uncover if they're fake or not

Even if the illusion is only for a few seconds

[deft cape]

yeah that's my goal with v2, for the voice imitation part at least

i wanted to rework the ai as well but

sadly gotta go job hunting instead

if being fooled for a few seconds worked, thatd already be a win for sure