Mirage

[flat tiger]

So hyped for the future of this mod!

[timber notch]

Yooooooooo

[autumn glen]

my friend killed me as a zombie and i just started emoting LMAO

funniest shit ever

[errant cypress]

Please make it efficient tho, I already lose half my fps and sometimes worse through modding 😄

[lament mica]

What are your mirage settings? Most people getting performance issues are from laptops with mimic voices set to custom or all entities.

[errant cypress]

It's not just because of Mirage, it's a combination of the other 80 mods I have. CPU/GPU/RAM is not even half used, but the fps are around 60 in the beginning deopping to 30 sometimes less in the later rounds

[deft cape]

the voice recognition and machine learning stuff is going to require a decent pc, i'll edit the post to include that

can't expect to not require too much computation for features like that

[errant cypress]

Lethal Company should use more resources if it means more fps 😭

[umbral briar]

woa is that with LCEmoteAPI?

[autumn glen]

nah, im just using too many emotes

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape so interesting bug, when teleporting someone who has a mimic spawned it teleports both of their bodies lmfao

[fading sapphire]

Jesus man, that's ambitious! Taking the mantle of AIRework and implementing machine learning to make them more mimicy, this is gonna be insane

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape it also ties into the mimic bodies turning invisible, I was fighting a mimic of my friend then she got her neck snapped by a bracken and the body of her mimic freaked out and went invisible and I think it's cus it was animating what happened to her lol

Btw Lmfaoooo

https://clips.twitch.tv/AssiduousCourageousClamDeIlluminati-VRX5RmZy6VCrSApr

[deft cape]

oh yeah i was there when the clip happened lmfao

[deft cape]

probably related to the teleporter bug in general that was previously reported

[deft cape]

hopefully we'll be able to pull it off, most likely the ai changes will have to come after the voice recognition/ML stuff

[fading sapphire]

Well I'll be happy to provide recommendations and feedback for the AI side when that time comes, I loved Piggy's work but he's busy with Office for the foreseeable future

[solemn ridge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/StrongJollyJamANELE-yqN0HbawjDw5L5_-

[fading sapphire]

#1190848624402386985 message

[solemn ridge]

So weird watching it freak out mimicking the bracken grabbing her XD

I love that it caused the body to disappear too but not the cosmetics

[deft cape]

sounds good! will still be awhile before i even get to the ai changes but i'll probably mention it when i get to it

[solemn ridge]

Also for whatever reason after the TooManyEmotes update came out earlier people stopped turning into mimics after dying

[deft cape]

hmm i don't think the invisibility thing could come from mirage

[solemn ridge]

XD

What else would do it?

Why is it mimicking the grab animations?

[deft cape]

look into any mod that touches masked enemies

dunno, but that sure doesn't come from mirage

i don't touch animations

[solemn ridge]

Nothing I know would do that

[deft cape]

wait doesn't toomanyemotes touch masked enemy animations

might want to look into that

[solemn ridge]

It does so maybe it's that

Can you check with flip?

[deft cape]

whats flip

oh the author

[solemn ridge]

Dev of TooManyEmotes yeah

[deft cape]

could you send that clip and ask if it's possible it could come from their mod

cuz even if i ask i don't really have any clips or logs to provide

[deft cape]

sounds good. lmk what they say tmrw when you find out

[solemn ridge]

Will do

Good thing is that I managed to fix whatever mod seemed to be causing the masked enemies to get stuck and not move though not once did I have a masked enemy do that tonight

@deft cape I almost wonder if that bug where they did that was tied in to the fix you did related to them despawning

[fading sapphire]

This is a vanilla issue, sometimes the masked are just invisible 🥴

https://youtube.com/shorts/LKCAOxXNIbo?si=eiFkR5qRaPe5wsi9

[solemn ridge]

It's not vanilla for them to mimic the animations of the person they're mimicing like that

[fading sapphire]

It's really rare and I'm not sure what causes it, but in my 170hrs I've seen it twice

I have no idea, emotes mod?? 😅 I don't play with emotes or cosmetics

I actually didn't watch the video til now, I just like to spread awareness of the mysterious invisible masked

I have footage of one invisible holding a shovel, thought it was my friend as it's happened when players have joined before, they're just a floating ranktag

https://youtu.be/sK8Ps1cgaOU?si=kVzSr-ESOFlvs7ns

It got a model after looking away but weird nonetheless

[lament mica]

My educated guess:
It might something to do with the way the radar adds targets. When it desyncs, it doesn't match the count of player controllers so it will just keep adding them as radar targets. So the players turned into masked should be treated as an unrecoverable body. But this isn't the case when the turned masked is considered another player.
It's invincible because that player is in the void chilling in spectators lobby. You can see it spinning in the radar too.

[remote iris]

bro finally revealed i was getting hyped up alone lol

[errant cypress]

Will there be updates in between now and 2.0.0?

for example nameplates

[amber swallow]

🤓

[remote iris]

BRO

NO MOE 😭

[amber swallow]

😭🤓

[lilac saffron]

is that.... a melon in that grinder.....

[amber swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/1005795805661249587/0d6bd94861b263fdb32558bb7c428546.webp?size=1024&format=webp&width=0&height=171

@remote iris

[lilac saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/1000-quota-stare-lethal-company-1000-yard-stare-gif-8412969833343799422

[amber swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-horrors-beyond-our-comprehension-low-tier-god-mods-banned-gif-8530537273735940092

https://tenor.com/view/smash-watermelon-gif-11587355

[lilac saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/incomprehensible-rage-rage-cat-angry-red-filter-gif-26249186

[amber swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/court-cat-uncanny-cat-black-and-white-gif-16353232234208002921

[lilac saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-gif-1515918155495018367

[lofty sorrel]

There will be yeah

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape I wonder if if it is TooManyEmotes causing the animations and stuff to freak out if that's also why when a mimiced version of someone exists the mimic gets teleported first and then the real person lmfao

It's funny as hell though

The chaos that happened here from this lol tried to save her from Ghost girl and then mimic bug got her instead XD https://clips.twitch.tv/DirtyGiantArugulaRaccAttack-jPzRAV0bktRCZGFM

[remote iris]

@deft cape https://youtu.be/yEfo-zTYofI?t=59

BARCH WE GOT A VID ON MIRAGE 😭

FINALLY SOME RECOGINTION AND ADVERSTISEMENT

[maiden tusk]

deserved

[hazy lily]

hi i came from that vid lol

[green olive]

Why does it only use one voiceline for one enemy? Why not more?

[remote iris]

for me it doesn't (sometimes it does that but not usually)

[remote iris]

YES WE ARE GROWING

also 10k messages!

were a 7th of advanced company's messages now lol

[hazy lily]

I do have a question I'm sure you guys can help me with. Say I do use Skinwalker, MaskedEnemyOverhaul and LC_Masked_Fix, all those mods do things Mirage does and I was wondering if anybody has tried to run them together to create the best experience possible and avoid conflicts

[remote iris]

u can

i play with lc masked fix mirage and maskedenemyoverhaul fork

u gotta use the fork

less issues

and enable dis

[lofty sorrel]

Skinwalkers works, but is pointless and redundant. MEO allows for spawn control and not much else, but you need to use MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork with compatibility mode turned on in the config. MaskedFix has no overlap and is still recommended to keep

[remote iris]

(it generates when you run meof and it also uses the same config as meo)

[solemn ridge]

So btw @deft cape if TooManyEmotes was responsible for the mimic bracken grab happening when the actual person got grabbed, I could see it being responsible for it teleporting the mimic of a person first before the real person as well, wonder if it's doing something wild right now that's causing the Mimic and the Actual player to count as the same person

I need to see if flip ever found out if it was caused by TME

[deft cape]

nah teleporter is not from toomanyemotes

[solemn ridge]

Ah okay

[deft cape]

i ended up being curious and fixed it yesterday

[solemn ridge]

I thought they were going hand in hand

[deft cape]

i just need to push an update

[lofty sorrel]

I wouldn't be surprised tbh, the more mods that add functionality to make Masked appear more like players, the more likely pne of those mods is to just reuse code from players that might cause them to be treated like players

[deft cape]

animation is definitely not mirage though

[hazy lily]

Thanks a lot guys! Also, just found this message, maybe it got unpinned by accident #1200695291972685926 message

[remote iris]

we need update now.

[deft cape]

nope that msg isnt relevant anymore

[solemn ridge]

Yeah need that update asap cus that is pretty game breaking lol

[deft cape]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

[solemn ridge]

Did you also implement DissonanceLagFix?

[deft cape]

i should add that to the readme

[deft cape]

yep

[solemn ridge]

Nice

[deft cape]

probably mostly just bugfixes since i want to focus on v2

[remote iris]

YES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ENB3GoSx78

[deft cape]

ill push an update in like an hour

ohhhh shit

[lofty sorrel]

Next time one of the streamers I watch plays LC I'm keeping my ear out for voice mimics and whether they're synced or not

[solemn ridge]

I will say we never had the issue last night where voices being mimiced were desynced nor did we ever get a masked stuck with it's mask on not moving

I think QualityCompany was causing the desynced voices, but I did make adjustments to my mod pack that made the game overall way more smoother and stable

Yet more immersive and scary too

[lofty sorrel]

With the tp bug being gone, it's time to march, get this mod into the public

[solemn ridge]

I went ahead and removed DissonanceLagFix now so I don't forget to later

[green olive]

yeah never mind I just didn't talk enough

[pulsar lotus]

It's not needed anymore at all ?

[solemn ridge]

Update coming in an hour is merging it into Mirage, because a lot of Skinwalkers users making the move are used to it being merged in

[willow lily]

AC cosmetics aren't synced on masked with Mirage?

[pulsar lotus]

oh ok nice !

[solemn ridge]

Yes they are

[willow lily]

Oh is that an old issue or smth

[lofty sorrel]

Yea

[willow lily]

ah ok

[lofty sorrel]

Reason it's not pinned anymore

[willow lily]

was confused because i've seen cosmetics before

[deft cape]

gonna be adding an FAQ cuz i realized i keep getting some of the same questions

[errant cypress]

I wonder, shall I still use FixRPCLag or not?

[errant cypress]

I don't know if it's outdated or does the same thing as DissonanceLagFix

(Sorry for the ping 😭, double clicked to copy but it replied, too)

[solemn ridge]

RPCLagFix isn't needed tbh, a lot of times people recommend not using it

[deft cape]

you should IMO

whenever any error gets thrown during an rpc call, it spams a ton of error logs

[solemn ridge]

Weird I remember being told to not use it

[errant cypress]

Well, I already have my game logs set to only Message, Info...

[pulsar lotus]

I use LogNeuter is that the same thing ?

[solemn ridge]

I saw someone say LogNeuter increases load times for them XD

[pulsar lotus]

at startup yeah a lot

then idk

but the console is indeed less spamming

[solemn ridge]

Yeah so FixRPCLag isn't recommended because you can tweak the BepinEx config to do the stuff it does

[deft cape]

ah makes sense actually

which would mean DissonanceLagFix is technically useless as well

but it'll still be implemented into mirage anyways

[solemn ridge]

DissonanceLagFix fixes stuff in the game code does it not?

[twin abyss]

explain . ,.

[solemn ridge]

FixRPCLag is literally a config file

[deft cape]

nope it's 1 line that turns off error logs 😂

[solemn ridge]

that tweaks stuff you can tweak in the BepinEX Config

[twin abyss]

wouldn't lesslogs do the same then?

[deft cape]

basically yeah

[solemn ridge]

lol well it doesn't hurt to have it implemented since Skinwalkers users are used to it

[deft cape]

dissonancelagfix is just for dissonance errors

yeah might as well

[twin abyss]

LessLogs is beautiful

[solemn ridge]

The only mod that changes logging that doesn't do stuff that bepin ex can do

is LogNeuter

[twin abyss]

it saved the damn richpresence mod from being deleted from my pack

[lofty sorrel]

THE LOGS STAY ON DURING GAMING

[solemn ridge]

It disables stuff that can't be changed in the actaul config

[twin abyss]

RichPresence mod tilted me so much

[deft cape]

i wish more ppl have logs so i can get logs when they report issues 😭

[twin abyss]

it gave 6-7 debug lines per half a damn second

I gib u logs >:c

they big logs =w =

[deft cape]

nah you're good, i'm just talking about most other bug reports i've been getting

[remote iris]

i do have logs the issue is i dont get issues

[deft cape]

makes it hard to debug anything

[hazy lily]

what kind of log?

[deft cape]

LMFAO

[amber swallow]

🤓

[deft cape]

just the logs you get from bepinex

[deft cape]

bro always ready with it

[remote iris]

dawg chill 😭

[twin abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/phonk-russian-badger-russian-badger-phonk-meme-based-gif-1151806001734917784

You exude this energy with that. lol

[remote iris]

lol

[twin abyss]

My only error, is that I don't know what errors look like.

[amber swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wonder-of-u-jojolion-wonder-of-you-tooru-gif-18602788

[remote iris]

they're red ig lol

[lofty sorrel]

My games are riddles with errors that don't even do anything. I get an error to do with ingame audio whenever I'm in the menu, because duh, there's no "ingame", so idk what mod decided not to check whether I'm in the menu before making changes to audio

[remote iris]

same

[violet topaz]

So is this mod just like LC Masked Fix by kuba6000, MaskedEnemyOverhaul by HomelessGinger and Skinwalkers by RedbugRedfern all in one?

With the sync up between clients added on top?

[deft cape]

mirage doesn't apply anything from LC Masked fix

also FYI mirage started off focused on masked enemies only so there's features that are enabled by default that you might not expect

so you might want to double check your config before playing

[hazy lily]

He might say that because of these two options

[violet topaz]

Yeah I will do, I just don't want to have two mods that do the same thing. This mod doesn't rely on Skinwalkers mod does it?

[hazy lily]

Mods are like home cooked pastries, everybody has they own way of doing them, even if they are "the same"

[lofty sorrel]

Completely separate from Skinwalkers

[violet topaz]

Yeah I basically want the Masked enemies to act as like, shapeshifters to fool the players and make them do double takes.

[hazy lily]

Yeah I just asked that, check this #1200695291972685926 message

[violet topaz]

That's how I like to play, like I have the thing where it copies cosmetics, nametags, everything.

[lofty sorrel]

That's Mirage's whole MO, so you're in luck

[violet topaz]

Where do I get the fork from? Is there a link?

[deft cape]

people keep asking if skinwalkers is required so i'm adding it to an FAQ, but no, mirage is a standalone mod so it doesn't need it to work

[lofty sorrel]

Same way you get any other mod

[violet topaz]

So it's just inspired by Skinwalker, ty cos I saw the credit given to it.

Could I suggest adding the "Masked Enemy Overhaul Fork" as a dependant to your mod? It could help people (like me)

[lofty sorrel]

It isn't needed for Mirage

Just like MEO isn't needed

[deft cape]

it's not dependent, but i did add a mention to it in my README for people who still want MEO (to use MEOF instead)

[violet topaz]

I know it isn't needed but it just adds more features to the mod and I feel most who use this over Skinwalkers would want the added benefits of MEOF

[lofty sorrel]

There really aren't many added benefits

[violet topaz]

Maybe add that to the info below the mod instead of the read me part of the mod, I normally only read what is on the mod page (I know I'm not everyone).

[lofty sorrel]

There's name tags and zombie apocalypse mode, both of which are experimental, and there's also spawn conrrol, which can be added by a lot of other mods instead

[violet topaz]

Yeah okay that's true and very fair

[deft cape]

v1.0.16 is released:

• Fixed a bug that caused the ship teleporter to not work if SpawnOnPlayerDeath spawned a masked enemy
• DissonanceLagFix is no longer needed when using Mirage
• Modify configuration descriptions to hopefully be easier to understand
• Modify configuration default values

Thanks to @fading sapphire for the ship teleporter bug report, with a simple way to reproduce the error.

If you have not already, check out #1200695291972685926 message for a sneakpeek on what's coming for v2.0.0!

FYI for any newer users here, thunderstore usually takes around 30 minutes for an update to process before it shows up (at least for mirage)

[hazy lily]

Since we are talking about this, if I want MEOF to control the spawns I should set Mirage to use vanilla spawn?

[lofty sorrel]

Oh also, the README file is the same thing as the mod description on Thunderstore, Thunderstore reads the README file to make the description

[deft cape]

yep

[lofty sorrel]

Yes

[violet topaz]

Ohhhhh, okay I did not know that, thank you 😄

[deft cape]

vanilla spawn is enabled by default on v1.0.16

[twin abyss]

Woot woot!

[violet topaz]

Definitely like the idea of this mod way more than skinwalkers. Big issue that ruins it for me is when only one player hears someone say something, is a dead giveaway that it is a giveaway

[deft cape]

now hopefully i can actually focus on v2 instead of bugfixes lmao

[violet topaz]

Hopefully. Are you taking idea suggestions?

[deft cape]

https://github.com/qwbarch/lc-mirage?tab=readme-ov-file#can-i-hear-my-own-voice-from-voice-mimics

you can choose to mute that while you're alive

[maiden peak]

Very cool sneak peek! If I may ask, is the behavior predictor based on in-game actions, tries to parse your actual speech for keywords, or both?

[deft cape]

mostly actual speech, but some in-game actions will be fed to it as well

[deft cape]

already have too much on my plate but if they're small feature requests i'd be open to hear them (although i probably won't implement them for a long time unless they're really easy/fast to do)

[violet topaz]

Yes that would be perfect and exactly what I want, thank you so much. Only found your mod because of TheViperian but been looking for one like it for a while.

[maiden peak]

I think detecting alone for a long time -> near other players -> voice line would be a great behavior to detect, since that'd usually be the first line someone says when meeting back up with other players

[deft cape]

oh right i should probably go on his video and thank him for showcasing mirage

[violet topaz]

It was basically just to focus on picking up dead people's bodies, or if they lose interest in players outside of the facility, they would naturally wander to the ship. If the ship is empty, they would sort of hide out in the ship, act like they're watching the monitor.

More so the ship suggestion

[deft cape]

anything with actual in-game actions is already being thought of

[maiden peak]

gotcha 😎

[deft cape]

we'll have to see about the feasibility of it though

[lofty sorrel]

Vanilla Masked already go to the ship when it's empty

[violet topaz]

I know absolutely nothing about mods or modding so I have no idea.

[deft cape]

i think this is out of scope for this mod imo

oh wait nvm you're asking about masked enemies picking up dead bodies

[violet topaz]

Ah, I didn't know this.

[deft cape]

i'll keep that in mind actually

i just misread what you said

[maiden peak]

oh yeah

[violet topaz]

Yeah, if they have a dead body in their arms, or come across one, they will naturally pathfind to the ship, to make it seem like they are returning a body.

[maiden peak]

from a watching the map perspective, if I saw someone pick up a dead body I'd never suspect it

[deft cape]

yeah that's a great suggestion

i was only thinking about items in general (but i guess technically anything that's grabbable would be the same, but maybe have it prioritize a dead body if it finds it)

[lofty sorrel]

That's reminded me actually, the Masked spinning on the map always ruins it for me, is there a way to prevent that?

[deft cape]

well that's one of the goals, i haven't looked at the masked ai yet

still have quite a bit of work to do before i get to that part

[violet topaz]

Or, if someone becomes Masked, you know the mods that add a camera to the body of players? Would it be possible to, if killed by a Masked and turned into a mask, could those cameras follow those new enemies? (I don't know if I'm making sense there, if not just say)

[lofty sorrel]

Ofc

[violet topaz]

It might already work like that but I don't think it does.

[lofty sorrel]

That's probably something for the camera mods to look at rather than Mirage

[deft cape]

isnt that already a thing? i think when i was using helmet cameras mod, it was already showing the masked enemy's pov

but yeah as debby said, that's a feature of those camera mods rather than mirage

[violet topaz]

It honestly might do I rarely become the "Person in the ship", so I'm not too sure. But yeah, the spinning on the monitors 100% gives it away its a masked enemy everytime I see it.

[deft cape]

honestly everything about masked just gives it away rn

which is why i'm hoping i can make it a bit better

[lofty sorrel]

Tbh it might end up getting fixed in the base game

[deft cape]

true actually

im excited and scared of v50 at the same time

[violet topaz]

That's why I install all the mods. I want the masked to be like a shape-shifting enemy more than anything

[deft cape]

excited cuz it might have some nice changes for masked

scared cuz it'll break mirage (and every other mod)

[deft cape]

that's the end goal for mirage 😄

mirage was made specifically for masked enemies, but ppl kept asking for voices on non-masked enemies so i just added a config option for them

but at the end of the day it exists for masked enemies to fool people

[hazy lily]

Dev will not rest until every single player is traumatized

[deft cape]

at its current state it's not good enough to fool people though of course (once you get used to it a bit)

[deft cape]

LMFAOO

[lofty sorrel]

I imagine Mirage won't even try to touch Masked's AI significantly for a while and focus on the voice mimicry, so I imagine it's wasted breath to suggest many AI changes for a while

[maiden peak]

There's a pretty good but kind of rough state mod called MaskedAIRevamp by @safe sundial , it may be worth talking with them about their implementation

[hazy lily]

Dude I was about to talk about that mod

The ideas on that mod sound pretty sweet but

might be kinda hard to pull off

[lofty sorrel]

Enemy AI is just a ballache in every sense

If you have balls

[hazy lily]

can't believe some people get into that as a hobby lol

god i love mods

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SillySquad/TakeThatMaskOff/ this is another pretty cool mod I'm gonna use with Mirage

[deft cape]

i think there were reports of mirage + takethatmaskoff causing issues (if you have SpawnOnPlayerDeath enabled)

or maybe im thinking of a different mod actually

[amber tinsel]

If I'm not wrong, the player's corpse can't be grabbed for some reason

[lofty sorrel]

TakeThatMaskOff was having issues in general a little while ago, but according to Lunxara it works fine

I haven't bothered testing it in a while, I probably should

[deft cape]

if it's from a masked enemy dying, that's why

[deft cape]

yeah i imagine i'd run into the same issues that piggy ran into as well, like desync and whatnot

[remote iris]

maskedaioverhaul removes tht

[deft cape]

i think there's one simple addition i can add to mirage before v2.
currently the recording it picks is always random, but that runs into situations where you might hear the same voice multiple times in a row.
what i can do is to play a random clip of only the voice clips that haven't been played, and once it runs out, it'll use the same pool of voice clips again (without deleting anything)

[remote iris]

that would be fire

[remote iris]

ALSO REVAMP

NOT OVERHAUL

WHY DO I MESS UP ALWAYS

[lofty sorrel]

That could end up in a situation where there's so many clips it could be minutes before you hear the same clip again. I think it would probably be better to just have there be a buffer of a few clips before a clip can be played again?

[deft cape]

MaskedEnemyRevamp
MaskedAIOverhaul

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah I assumed it would, I just don't really want to deal with the other changes

[deft cape]

it'd just be more like skinwalkers basically (without the deleting part), it'll be configurable though

[fading sapphire]

Could be worse, could be LethalExpansion and LethalExtension (previously Scoopy's dungeon name 😅)

[deft cape]

buffer idea might be nice to have but i don't wanna spend too much time on v1 rn, i'd rather just focus on v2

[lunar quest]

@deft cape two things. 1. So is there no point to have dissonance lag fix now or is it beneficial to have in general still? 2. I see for spawnonplayerdeath a masked won’t spawn if the player died from fall damage. I feel like the same should happen for when the player dies to drowning. I noticed when I died to drowning that there was just a masked talking to my teammates from under the water

[deft cape]

so what i mentioned could just be a really quick addition that some people might like

[remote iris]

bro i remember when i helped u in 1.0.5

the bugs got u to 1.0.1

1.0.16

[deft cape]

dissonance lag fix is not needed anymore, and that reminds me, i still have to look for an alternative than just disabling the feature completely from fall damage (and potentially drowning as well)

[deft cape]

😭 😭

been so much time since then as well

LOL

back then i was already trying to find time to work on v2 but it ended up being bugfix after bugfix

at least it seems like mirage is pretty stable now

assuming you don't have any conflicting mods

[lunar quest]

so did you just implement dissonance lag fix mod into mirage pretty much?

[deft cape]

yep

[lunar quest]

gotcha

[deft cape]

it's a 1 liner

disables dissonance error logs

[lunar quest]

thank you for the info!

[remote iris]

@deft cape BARCH!!!!

[lofty sorrel]

I think the drowning thing is sort of just a flaw in the Masked inherently. They can't be killed by drowning or the death pits by default, so they do just end up living there because they also can't pathfind out of those areas. Mirage can only really add plasters to the issues without altering the Masked fundamentally

[deft cape]

100k LETS GOOOOOO

[deft cape]

yeah good point, they can also just walk into bodies of water so technically making them not spawn when drowning wouldn't fix that

[remote iris]

were less than a 90th to the size of skinwalkers tho 😭

[deft cape]

all good that's not the goal anyways 😂

[lofty sorrel]

Won't sleep until Mirage has more downloads than BepInEx

[remote iris]

https://tenor.com/view/mission-impossible-fuse-gif-11816572201862353435

[lofty sorrel]

(I know this is impossible)

[lunar quest]

Won’t sleep until mirage has more downloads than lethal company itself

[lunar quest]

wait…

[remote iris]

but actually impossible

lol

[lofty sorrel]

With how Thunderstore calculates downloads, this is technically possible

[hazy lily]

Darn, how bout this one? https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/OE_Tweaks/Possessed_Masks/ Since only item slots are afected, should be fine, I think

[lofty sorrel]

Possesses Masks should work fine yeah

[remote iris]

actually skinwalkers has more downloads than bepinex

[dark brook]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-love-i-love-you-please-gif-13834101

this is so good

[remote iris]

prob because ppl redownload a lot

[lofty sorrel]

Every time you update a mod it counts as a redownload as well

[deft cape]

we never sleeping 💯

[remote iris]

bro brach look at my friend in https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1208849588539101294

[deft cape]

that doesn't jump to any message 🤔

[remote iris]

nah just see all his messages

idk if u remember his name

[remote iris]

idk what he's named i put a nickname lemme see

he's the first one to comment there

[deft cape]

you mean shadowflame? i only recognize the 🤓 guy LOL

oh wait first message whoops

[remote iris]

yes the nerd emoji dude lol

[maiden peak]

doesn't that run the risk of being really biased towards newer voice clips if the pool keeps growing in real time?

[deft cape]

isnt that how skinwalkers works anyways though, or do i remember wrong 🤔

[dark brook]

you can add an internal cooldown for the ones that have been played

to avoid the bias

like make it run the clip then make it unable to get chosen for the next x clips

[timber notch]

JUST SAW THE 100K!!!

CONGRATS!

[deft cape]

tyty

[deft cape]

probably still just going to do the approach i mentioned just cuz i don't wanna spend too much time on v1

since it'll take like 10 mins to add that naive approach

[timber notch]

It was just a couple of days ago you hit 50k

[deft cape]

think it's been a week hasn't it?

[timber notch]

probably, I have zero sense of time tbh lol

[deft cape]

the growth isn't that fast yet

[timber notch]

Being added to TMLC def helped

[deft cape]

yeah for sure

[timber notch]

And now that you’re in that video now too that’ll also cause a huge bump

[deft cape]

btw for TMLC is there a reason mask texture and arms-out animation is enabled by default 🤔

yeeee for sure

[timber notch]

They still have MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork, so probably just having that handle it

They have it for the mask fade thing

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape Apparently I'm the first to give Barchlib a thumbsup so you're welcome XD

[deft cape]

LOL thanks 😂

[solemn ridge]

I think it's cus most people ignore dependencies since they don't really count as mods

Lol

[deft cape]

when i tested TMLC all the masked enemies spawned with the texture and animation still there, so i just assumed it was a concious choice

[timber notch]

Ah weird

I haven’t played with TMLC in a while

But that’s probably unintentional

[deft cape]

i wish non-mod dependencies don't show up on the mod list tbh, it should just be internal and if a mod gets removed, the non-mod dependencies get removed as well

[deft cape]

ah that'd make more sense now, masked enemies look so goofy with the defaults on

[timber notch]

I’d make a suggestion box post to fix it

If you don’t want to do it I could do it later

[heavy prism]

just read this, sounds ambitious can't wait

[deft cape]

i'm not sure if it's because of something i changed so just gonna avoid making a suggestion post just in case it was on my end

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape Does TakeThatMaskOff touch masked animations at all?

[lofty sorrel]

Unsure why you're asking him that, but I wouldn't think it does

[solemn ridge]

Well because we were looking at potential mods that could have caused this https://clips.twitch.tv/StrongJollyJamANELE-yqN0HbawjDw5L5_-

[lofty sorrel]

That wouldn't be TakeThatMaskOff, nor Mirage. Probably a mixture of the invisible Masked and TooManyEmotes

[solemn ridge]

Yeah I thought so too

[lofty sorrel]

TakeThatMaskOff doesn't do anything until the moment they die, and it was still alive then, so seems unrelated

[solemn ridge]

My only other guess would be MaskTheDead

It's got some lengthy source code

[lofty sorrel]

Again that wouldn't do anything unless there was a dead body around, unless it adds some stuff it doesn't specify

[solemn ridge]

Yeah

[deft cape]

i looked at MaskTheDead and TakeThatMaskOff's decompiled source code, doesn't seem possible from them

[solemn ridge]

Yeah definitely TME then probably

[deft cape]

most likely has to do with TooManyEmotes

yeah

[solemn ridge]

I do love how for me the Teleporter bug was Teleporting the masked enemy first then the actual player btw

Lol

How tf does that even happen?

Fun chaos XD

Interestingly enough I think TooManyEmotes was also responsible for everyone coming back as a mimic too and not MaskTheDead, cus it stopped after we updated TooManyEmotes from 1.9.3 to 1.9.4

[deft cape]

wait you had a different teleporter bug? the one i fixed was for if SpawnPlayerOnDeath spawns a masked enemy, the player could no longer get teleported on the next round

not sure how TME would cause them to come back alive 🤔

mod conflicts are the weirdest thing in existence

[solemn ridge]

Idk maybe it was MaskTheDead but it randomly stopped somehow

🤷‍♀️

[deft cape]

so odd

[solemn ridge]

This was what I had happen lol

It teleported her mimic first then her and she instantly got grabbed

XD

https://clips.twitch.tv/DirtyGiantArugulaRaccAttack-jPzRAV0bktRCZGFM

[twin abyss]

Did the latest update require a config nuking or something? There's a lot of calculatepolygonpaths and now "SetDestination" . ,.

[deft cape]

did you only update mirage? it shouldn't be happening from mirage

and no, no config nuking required

i only changed some defaults

[solemn ridge]

I thought maybe TME did that too

Lmfao

Cus that's weird teleporting behavior XD

[twin abyss]

LGU, Mirage, Changed to using Fork (MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork), LethalResonance, and Toomanyemotes

[solemn ridge]

I love the "Watch out" warning from one of the 2 mimics of her after btw

[deft cape]

really shouldn't be coming from mirage, functionally the only changes in the latest update is resetting the player's dead body at the end of each round (which caused the teleporter bug), as well as turning off dissonance error logs

[deft cape]

LOOOL

i like how confused u were

[solemn ridge]

XD cus I was like "I tried to teleport her then nothing happened" but then she teleported in delayed

XD

Right onto her Mimic of her waiting there patiently cus it got Teleported first

[deft cape]

wait they teleported together at the same time? 🤔 (like together with the masked enemy)

[solemn ridge]

No the masked enemy teleported first

then she did after

You can hear the first teleport play, then the teleport sound play again after when it teleported the real her

[deft cape]

oh yeah i meant like

from the same teleport

like only clicking it once

[solemn ridge]

Yeah lol

[deft cape]

wonder what would be causing that

[solemn ridge]

I think TME as well

Lmfao

Cus it was causing the bracken animation stuff

I think it's causing the game to think the mimiced player is the same person

[deft cape]

well the teleporter thing might be from mirage

i don't see why TME would cause it

try the new update and see if it fixes it

[solemn ridge]

Alright lol

But that was funny af

[deft cape]

yeah at least u got a nice clip out of that 😂

[solemn ridge]

Oh yeah it's definitely doing that. Look at when I checked the radar. It was viewing the dead mimic's body and not her real body here lmfao so it's registering the real player and a spawned mimic as the same person, tf mod could be causing this? https://clips.twitch.tv/DeadWanderingKathyDansGame-sqFVdw16CfwaISOz

That's weird as all heck XD

[deft cape]

i think that was a bug in mirage v1.0.15 tbh

not the animation thing though

but it should be gone in v1.0.16

[solemn ridge]

Lol okay okay good XD

[timber notch]

Hopefully when v50 releases we get some solid consistencies in the community mod-wise

And outdated mods get replaced by better/higher quality/more stable counterparts

While a “competitive market” is good, a flooded one can hurt

Take MEO for example

[torpid arch]

a few people have the same idea with different execution

that's the worst

[timber notch]

Unless you’re active in modding servers or use a modpack, you have no way of knowing it totally busts spawns

[torpid arch]

We'll get there

[timber notch]

The newest version of MEO has 740,397 downloads compared to the fork with 27,884– just 3.77% percent. Over 96% of MEO users have broken spawns and just have no clue.

[timber notch]

I feel like a reliable and easily accessible source of some sort would help.

A lot of people still use Helmet Cameras/Solo’s Bodycams when they haven’t been supported for months, when OpenBodyCams is better and runs better

Corporate Restructure can straight up completely break multiplayer and make lobbies crash when someone joins

and a lot of mods are resource hogs (like Backrooms and Jester Stomp)

But there isn’t really a way to know all of these things without being active in the modding community (or by using a modpack that happens to do I t for you)

[torpid arch]

well, what can we do about it?

[timber notch]

perhaps try to create some sort of resource?

I’ve had a few people ask me to make one for performance, but it kinda slipped my mind

[maiden peak]

if only there were some kinda library

a lethal library...

[timber notch]

bsjdhejebdjebd

I’d say a Twitter or something but Twitter is a nightmare unless you want to make an account for it (and then it’s a whole different nightmare lmao)

[torpid arch]

it would be nice to make some sort of website for that

[timber notch]

Maybe a Steam guide?

[timber notch]

Yeah

[torpid arch]

but i have absolutely no time 😅

[timber notch]

I’d try it but I don’t have experience with creating them outside of little like weebly websites

[torpid arch]

if i had some i could create something on GitHub, add some people with editing access and it would auto-update on new commits

[timber notch]

I do plan to try and make a little modpack full of bug fixes and tweaks

[torpid arch]

but no time

😭

[indigo basalt]

Feature request.

Instead of just disableing money loss on player death, have a configureable loss ammount or percentage. Seeing as you can choose a percent chance for a corpse to turn. It would be nice for Mask corpses to be ignored while maintaining a money loss for players not collecting unturned corpses as usual.

[timber notch]

Stuff like GeneralImprovements (only with bug fixes), SlimeTamingFix, LC Masked Fix, LCMaxSoundsFix, DissonanceLagFix, PathfindingLagFix, FlashlightFix, JetpackFallFix, SprintLadderFix, RankFix, FriendPatches, NutcrackerFixes, NameFix, etc.

Things that just don’t change the game experience (outside of fixing bugs)

[indigo basalt]

SlimeTamingFix broke slimes for me. Turned them into Jube Jubes

changesd their hitbox

[timber notch]

weird, I’ve never had the issue

[indigo basalt]

It may be dependent on other mods. So if you do make an all in one please make sure everything is toggleable just incase it becomes the main used mod. 😄

[solemn ridge]

I've never had a need for FriendPatches as I've never ran into that issue it fixes lol

[timber notch]

I’d probably have a base version that solely has bug fixes without adding anything, and then expansions you can add onto it

Like an add-on that adds little qol things without impacting gameplay much

[pure shoal]

dropped out from the modding scene for some weeks and just came across this mod. seems really cool, just got a question: are there any incompatibilities/issues with the current version of the mod?

planning on replacing skinwalkers from my mod with this one, but discord isn't very conductive to searching

[timber notch]

JetpackWarning, Flashlight/Walkie toggles, LCBetterSaves, HoldScanButton, LethalRichPresence, LCBetterClock, BetterSprayPaint, NiceChat, BetterLightning, AccurateStaminaDisplay, ScannableCodes, etc.

[timber notch]

Unless you use it for the fading mask or spawn changes, you can remove Skinwalkers and MaskedEnemyOverhaul

[pure shoal]

oh, that's really nice, didn't notice MEO also was replaced by it

[timber notch]

Yep!

Mirage is GOATED

Ignoring obvious things like fixes and stuff, it’s my #1 mod I’d say

[timber notch]

And the base would be pretty easy to maintain since I’d just need to check it to add things, or change things after each game update

It’d basically be a drag-and-drop for fixes

And you could just delete things that you don’t need (like dissonancelagfix if you have skinwalkers/mirage, or flashlightfix is you use AC)

And I’d try to include things like that in the readme

Might try to work on that this weekend or something

I have some projects I’ve been putting off lol

Need to finish my poster for the School interior, finish my modpack update, (potentially upload said modpack to thunderstore?), and then make a performance guide thing

[inner idol]

it may be worthwile for a wiki to exist someday, with descriptions of known issues and incompatibilities for each mod

cause yeah, if you're not actively reading every mod channel - you'll miss something for sure

[torpid arch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2881031511

this is something we'll make one day

[inner idol]

wow, c:s modding surely gone places

i still remember playing with only necessary ones like TMPE

and after playing c:s 2 - i still think first game was better in almost every way

[torpid arch]

aint that the sad truth

[lofty sorrel]

Barch has said he plans on dropping the disabling of money loss feature altogether

[lofty sorrel]

All of the known bugs with major mods should be fixed with the latest update. Skinwalkers works but is redundant, MEO will need to be replaced by MEOFork with compatibility turned on (though MEO in general is sort of outdated and not needed)

[pure shoal]

thank u thank u

[indigo basalt]

interesting

[pure dock]

So this makes the mimics mimic our voices?

[lofty sorrel]

I can recommend #1207572302678589451 instead, works perfectly for me

[lofty sorrel]

All creatures

[indigo basalt]

ohhh ty

[pure dock]

Oh isn’t there a skinwalker mod already

[inner idol]

this one is networked

everyone hears the same

and more features

[lofty sorrel]

Biggest difference in the voice mimicking is that Skinwalkers isn't synced, so you and your friends won't hear the same voicelines, in Mirage everyone hears the same voicelines

[pure dock]

Networked?

Oooh so this one is better

Niiiiiiiceeee

[lofty sorrel]

Depending on what you want from the game sure

[pure dock]

Ok

Can you choose which monsters you want to have them mimic?

[maiden peak]

yeah

[pure dock]

Ok thanks

[maiden peak]

with this mod, Masked will appear as a specific player, and will only use voice lines from that player

[lofty sorrel]

There's also some changes to Masked more specifically that you can change in the config

[pure dock]

Ok that’s nice

Ok

[maiden peak]

notably, people dying can hav a % chance to become a masked, optionally if they're alone

[inner idol]

there's things like that for gmod, and countless of profilers

https://github.com/ExtReMLapin/BadCoderz

[pure dock]

Wow

[inner idol]

basically it analyzes code on the fly

[pure dock]

Ok

[inner idol]

and marks bad coded unoptimized addons and even exact code parts to look into

[pure dock]

So it helps you

[lofty sorrel]

Finally, they added killing to GitHub

[pure dock]

Wow

[sterile dust]

Mirage is not compatable with TakeThatMaskOff. It overrides that mod and prevents the player from being picked up (and revived, if the revive mod is on)

[twin abyss]

is the fork the issue as to why stuff happened

I don't know what else the other mods updating would've messed with

but I did change it from Masked Enemy Overhaul to the fork version from one session to another

[lofty sorrel]

Which "stuff"

[twin abyss]

lots of deaths of enemies not actually "dying" - they just run in place. Unlike previous issues like this, these one can still bite/attack in place

calculatepolygon and setdestination spam

setdestination is a new one for me - when it comes to spammin' the logs

people seeing masked enemies teleport in- even though they're not existent on my (host) screen

[lofty sorrel]

I only got that issue when the Masked broke, and the Masked breaking was caused by some unknown other mod/s using DeactivateBody at tyeh same time as Mirage

[twin abyss]

i'd... ask "what other mod could possibly do that"

but for all I fucking know, it's a scrap mod =-=

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah still not certain on that, I thought I might have been onto something with LethalThings but the code in that which relates to DeactivateBody is entirely disabled

[twin abyss]

the "Dont Touch MaskedPlayerEnemy.mimickingPlayer" wasn't set to true, but I'd doubt this cause all the issues seen.

[lofty sorrel]

Nah the bug happened without MEO

[twin abyss]

bloody player logs is 70mb large

i bet 50 mb of that is just calculatepolygonpath

[lofty sorrel]

The only other mod that I could find (in my limited search) was Mimics (fake fire exits mod) which touches DeactivateBody, but only when players are killed by Mimics

[lofty sorrel]

That's a vanilla issue

[twin abyss]

yes but this was happening extremely consistently, along with many visual bugs

I do shrug it off from time to time in previous sessions - but this one spammed it so much it was lagging people's games

[lofty sorrel]

Do you have PathfindingLagFix?

[twin abyss]

and to think, I have pathfindinglagfix-

yeh

it was lagging us with that

so something borked hard

[lofty sorrel]

Well when every creature loses its ability to calculatepolygonpath, I'd assume that would cause lag

[twin abyss]

I'm about to do a whole damn config checking session again

and if I find a config that is freshly downloaded different than their previous ones - that dev is getting a mouthful =-=

[lofty sorrel]

Are you talking about an issue you're currently experiencing, or an issue about the Masked issue with Mirage that was remedied?

[twin abyss]

Talkin' about the last session I've just played (<2 hours ago) - being borked as hell in comparison to the last 3 other sessions.

The only things that have happened is that I followed instructions in here to use this "fork" mod, and this mod + a few others updated.

[lofty sorrel]

Any errors involving Mirage?

[twin abyss]

would there be a keyword I can search in this giant list of calcualtepolygonpath

and don't just say mirage <.<'... lord knows that spat out a thousand lines or something

[lofty sorrel]

There's ways to mass remove lines in Notepad++ so you could do that, I do it with a Notepad++ plugin so idk how you'd do it

[twin abyss]

so ye want me to nuke away the calculatepolygonpaths and setdestinations in hopes that lets me see what bricked it? . -.

over 20,000 instances of calculatepolygonpath 🙃 ... sheesh

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah if you remove the error lines that you know are there anyway, especially if they're filling up the log, you can remove them and then just search for other Errors

If you aren't sure how to do it on your end you could send me the log and I can do it easy

[twin abyss]

if i could figure out how to remove empty lines... this'd shrink

[lofty sorrel]

Oh that's easy

Edit/Line Operations/Remove Empty Lines

[twin abyss]

tis not under edit for dis ., .

[lofty sorrel]

What program?

Notepad++?

[twin abyss]

visual studio

[lofty sorrel]

Oh idk about that lmao

VisualStudio for log viewing is a little overkill imo, idk how to search for errors the same way in that. It's a lot easier to handle logs in Notepad++

[twin abyss]

Had to google around

^\s*$\n = empty line.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lofty sorrel]

Dear god I pray for you if you're gonna get into RegEx for this

Highly recommend just using Notepad++, will save you many headaches

[twin abyss]

it's just a thousand-million loaforc.soundapi lines and a lot of shiploot ones 😮‍💨

should've disabled the darn ones I knew would just spam a fuckton =n=

[lofty sorrel]

Well that at least rules out Mirage

[twin abyss]

there's 58,400+ lines

I removed over 35,000 just from calculatepolygon and setdestination

Mirage could be in there

I ain't readin' through 58,400 lines though... I gotta rid the lines using loaforc 'n shiploot...

[lofty sorrel]

Did you search for "Error"??

[twin abyss]

120 lines state error... I guess that's somethin'.

seems to just be loaforc..

whatever is causing this doesn't seem to output "error"

... I'mma just do a config check.. been like a month or two since I've done so. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[lofty sorrel]

Seeing as my curiosity is killing me, as it is want to do, could you send me the log anyways? Just wanna make certain that it's not Mirage

[twin abyss]

and may possibly just remove that fork mod... potentially causing the issues.

[lofty sorrel]

There's a lot of errors involving LethalExpansionCore, so the maps you have might be causing issues

[twin abyss]

there should be no way a darn moon handler is causing the enemies AI to be borked 'n these non-dying thumpers >,>' ... ... emphasis on "Should"

[lofty sorrel]

Oh and also, disable CoilHead interaction with Boomba in FairAI

Doubt that's the issue, but it throws a lot of errors

Also doubt this is the issue, but this turns up as well

  at FlowermanAI+<>c__DisplayClass53_0.<killAnimation>b__0 () [0x00000] in <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_0000 
  at UnityEngine.WaitUntil.get_keepWaiting () [0x00001] in <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0001 
  at UnityEngine.CustomYieldInstruction.MoveNext () [0x00001] in <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0001 
  at UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) [0x00026] in <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026 ```

[twin abyss]

but I don't have fairAI . ,.

[lofty sorrel]

Ah, well, never mind, idk what that error was about then. Something to do with a coil head being harmed by a boomba

[twin abyss]

why would that even matter though 😅 ... they're invincible

[lofty sorrel]

That's exactly why the error is being thrown

Cause they're undamageable, but explosions try to damage

[twin abyss]

why the hell is there an error for a coilhead getting hit by an explosion - u-' ...

[lofty sorrel]

Ask CoilHeadStare

[twin abyss]

🤣 THE HELL IS COILHEADSTARE CARING FOR THAT...

Omfg mod.. lol

[lofty sorrel]

It's a rough business

[twin abyss]

that definitely isn't causing what happened... ok I can't even say "definitely" now knowing an explosion is affecting a mod that only causes a client-side effect

[lofty sorrel]

It's not a client sided effect but the point stands

[twin abyss]

what- that stare is definitely client-side only . ,.

also- LGU >:x

[lofty sorrel]

Other players can see it staring at someone though, and it makes use of the CoilHead's AI which is always serverside

Or SHOULD always be serverside

LGU has broken my game recently so I'm just disabling that for now

I was only using it for the wheelbarrow, shopping cart, portable teleporters and the discombobulator anyways

[twin abyss]

I really wanted to give a mouthful in there, but just posted the images. The configs are mismatched and incorrect. The configs aren't being rewritten <~<'... 30+ lines should've not existed in my current config. I really want to know the limitations of config replacing with mods. <~<... Am I wrong to be livid at seeing both of the files saying they're the same file version of a config - but they're both different? I hate it.

Just - TELL ME if the configs are wrong if bepin/r2/etc can't fix the configs for me <~<... I'll do it!

But if I don't get some alert, some visible notification - how the hell am I to know without doin' this >.> ...

[bold oak]

Does this mod support MoreCompany?

[rain mountain]

yes

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape just wanna state the funny teleporting bugs were fixed 🙂

Still haven't ran into any stuck masked enemies anymore that are stuck with a mask and unable to move

Lol

I will say I removed ghostcodes after playing tonight though as I feel it doesn't really add anything that's very useful

LethalResonance and Diversity do most of the spooky additions for the ghost girl XD

[deft cape]

thats good, i guess mirage is finally, hopefully, at a stable enough position then

[solemn ridge]

Speaking of mimics lmfao

[remote iris]

@deft cape i see u have enemyfix did you know of it before i told u about since i always notice ppl dont know if it lol

[remote iris]

i would appreciate if u answer my equestion lol

[sterile dust]

... it's only been 4 min since you asked your question and it's not like qwbarch is awake 24/7... at least wait for a couple hours or even a day...

[remote iris]

it was supposed to be a joke since he made spelling error

[deft cape]

only if u become my eboi 👉 👈

[soft hollow]

ive smelled enemyfix's name around, is it needed? what does it do

[deft cape]

nope never knew it till u mentioned it, legit have never heard of it once before that

[deft cape]

just good to have as a failsafe in case mod conflicts happen that'd cause an enemy to not despawn properly

[soft hollow]

oh

so like

when we had FUCKING 200 BEES AT THE COMPANY

[deft cape]

what is that spawn rate 🤔

[deft cape]

were they not despawning so all the bees stayed? LOL

but yeah get enemyfix for shit like that

[soft hollow]

havent been active much but i update my pack every now and then

see you got dissonance lag covered

beautiful to see

[deft cape]

didn't really want to add it but lunxara convinced me

it is a 1 liner so fuck it, why not

[solemn ridge]

Same as I've always had it lol, same as bracken spawn rate in AC's settings 2 mimics of me just wanted to say hi XD

Funny enough I went back and had one spawn in I boxxed it then another one spawned and I took it down

[soft hollow]

also heard the big plans for 2.0

[deft cape]

self boxing tournament

[deft cape]

yep if we're able to pull it off it'll be pretty fucking lit

i'm excited for when we get to a working prototype

[timber notch]

😳

[copper pilot]

Hmm is there support for modelreplacementapi for CUSTOM player models? Like when the player turns into a mimic

Would be cool

[deft cape]

this is something that model replacement api needs to implement themselves (support for masked enemies)

i did ask about it but the author is busy with irl things rn:
#1187188516644474911 message

[plucky aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-you-like-kissing-boys-don't-you-cat-lowpoly-3d-gif-9960745507421464646

[copper pilot]

Nice throw!

[remote iris]

AYO LOL

[copper pilot]

Yeah ayo

[deft cape]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-peepo-shy-gif-24898505

[upbeat compass]

you stole my gif 😠 😠 /j

[plucky aspen]

IT WAS FREE REALESTATE

[solemn ridge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FunThirstyTitanBabyRage-qKkdY4a1lCvY0Lp1 @deft cape lmfao

[deft cape]

had to replay that a couple times to notice it's the dog talking LOL

[solemn ridge]

LOL yeah XD

[remote iris]

@deft cape barch another one.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w43cYyZE9gw&ab_channel=JOE

WERE GETTIN POPULAR

[amber swallow]

what

[amber swallow]

🤓

[remote iris]

NO

I KNEW IT

[amber swallow]

🤓

[remote iris]

dawg no moe 😭

[amber swallow]

where did you go 😔

[granite musk]

this man dies and still emoting 😂

[deft cape]

YO LETS GOOO

[deft cape]

sounds like a bug with TooManyEmotes

[solemn ridge]

Yeah that's a rare bug with TooManyEmotes

Usually only happens if you kill them while they're emoting

I have a clip of it here lol https://clips.twitch.tv/ImportantMoralYogurtSuperVinlin-my-fWuV0OJotZ8HY

It was stuck saying sync emote after it fell over lol

and it was laying weird

I was using MEO in that clip btw that clip is from like a few weeks ago

There I sent that clip to flip, it's weird how people have been talking about that bug all of a sudden XD

[granite musk]

now that i see the log it does throw alotta toomanyemotes stuff

[deft cape]

ur clip looks like it works as normal, no?
i dont see it emoting after death

[solemn ridge]

That's one of the ways it bugs when they get killed while emoting and how it normally does it lol

[shrewd mirage]

Someone has a bug that when dying at the hands of a mimic - more than 1 mimic is spawned. SpawnOnPlayerDeath - 0

[deft cape]

do you have a clip of it happening

[deft cape]

ah

[autumn glen]

nah happened to me when i died to a nutcracker

[solemn ridge]

lol

[solemn ridge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ClumsyDifferentFlyOhMyDog-V9AEpxeajoc5GWcM @deft cape 😭

[rose loom]

Is this known to have any issues with MaskedAIRevamp? (not the rework one, its a more WIP masked AI mod)

[deft cape]

as far as im aware, there shouldn't be any conflicts with MaskedAIRevamp

[rose loom]

Great

[amber swallow]

@remote iris

[oblique galleon]

Reminder that #mod-showcase exists and that you should post in it

[deft cape]

oh thanks, i thought it was for WIP projects so i never posted in it

[oblique galleon]

Nah, you can post everytime you think you've had a good content update too

[deft cape]

think i'll just wait till i have more to showcase for v2 before i post there, there's nothing much to show in its current state imo

[lofty sorrel]

Could help to let people know it's in a stable state

[deft cape]

i'm just kinda lazy for now tbh, #mod-showcase requires a video/image

mirage would require a video to showcase for sure but i don't wanna record one

[lofty sorrel]

Ahh yeah that's fair

[deft cape]

i'll probably just do a quick recording when a bit of the features for v2 is implemented

@oblique galleon btw is there a reason #mod-showcase is all the way up here? i forgot it even exists since it's not in the modding and creations section

[oblique galleon]

That's cuz you have it as an optional channel, but I will suggest to put it in this category

Rn its with the general etc channels

[deft cape]

oh didn't know optional channels were a thing

[oblique galleon]

Discord things

[lofty sorrel]

@deft cape

(VTuber, gf of the RubberRoss)

[deft cape]

oh shit thanks for the shill LOOL

[lofty sorrel]

Npnp, seems like a fantastic mod to farm Twitch clips

Just like Skinwalkers is, but a new flavour

[solemn ridge]

Idk who that is lol

Not to be rude ofc 🙂

[solemn ridge]

Yeah I don't think I've ever watched them

[lofty sorrel]

Won the art category of the Streamer Awards, has been working on an emotes mod for Lethal Company for a little while, he's an animator

[solemn ridge]

Oooohhhh

[autumn glen]

omg giwi!! so cool

[lofty sorrel]

I always feel terrible talking about someone and then saying "yeah they're this other famous person's partner" but like exponentially less people know who Giwi is and that's just a terrible truth :(

[solemn ridge]

Tbf it's understandable I never heard of RubberRoss before I don't watch big streamers very often

[lofty sorrel]

Did you ever watch GameGrumps?

[solemn ridge]

Insym is maybe the only one I watch frequently

No but I have a friend that really loves them

[lofty sorrel]

Ross used to work for them, he's the guy that made a bunch of super impossible Super Mario Maker courses

[solemn ridge]

Oh cool!!!

[oblique galleon]

It's a big problem yeah, but I wouldn't know how to word it better so stayed silent

[solemn ridge]

I'm surprised I've never come across Giwi tbh cus I tend to raid other vtubers when I end my streams guess she streams at different time frames than I do I'll have to check her out sometime

[lofty sorrel]

She is based in America, which I think you share?? Not sure which coast. She also doesn't stream super often, at least not at the moment

[solemn ridge]

That's probs why

yeah I'm from East Coast US

If I ever see her live I'll probably pop in and say hi

[lofty sorrel]

She is streaming tonight though, worm time (not for me tho I'm a wretched Brit, I'll watch the VOD later)

[oblique galleon]

Go sleep wretched brit

It's midnight

[solemn ridge]

ah yeah I'll be streaming tonight too, in about 40 mins in fact

[lofty sorrel]

I'd say okay but I'd be lying, I have been sleepy today tho so probably won't be long. Gonna edit my msg to make it look like you called me a wretched Brit unprompted

giwi

Fuck

I meant to use search 😢

[oblique galleon]

Lol

[sudden ibex]

Are there any plans on adding the playername above the mimics?
Or is this already possible?
Or is there a different mod which does this thats compatible?

[deft cape]

i'll add it one day, but not anytime soon. for now i'd recommend using HidePlayerNames to make it harder to tell the difference

i believe the only mod that can do it for masked enemies is MEO/MEOF but i'm pretty sure it's stated that it's broken in its current state

[sudden ibex]

Got it! Thanks for the amazingly fast reply haha. Tested the mod an hour ago for the first time, and loving it already. Thanks for making it!

[deft cape]

happened to just be looking at discord so i looked at the right time 😂

glad you like it!

[timber notch]

YOOOOOOO

I love Ross’ Lethal Company videos w/ Giwi

my bf and I watch them together every time he posts a new one

[meager quarry]

does anyone have this problem when the masked enemies are stuck in the converting animation forever after killing a player? both masked are frozen and not moving

[deft cape]

do you have logs? sounds like a mod conflict

[misty hill]

i usually only get that when im using AC with ModelReplacementAPI, so i just disabled ModelReplacementAPI and it fixed it

[deft cape]

doesn't seem to be from mirage

i don't see a single error log from mirage

[meager quarry]

i dont have a clue which mod could cause this

[misty hill]

r u using a custom model

[meager quarry]

yeah

well i don't wear them but i have custom models installed

[misty hill]

Yea that’s why then

even if u don’t wear them

[deft cape]

the error that gets spammed is this:

[Warning: Unity Log] Unable to add the requested character to font asset [3270-REGULAR SDF]'s atlas texture. Please make the texture [3270-REGULAR SDF Atlas] readable.

which definitely can't happen from mirage since it doesn't apply any textures (or even have any textures for that matter)

[deft cape]

actually never knew model replacement api applies cosmetics to masked enemies

since people kept asking for it, i just assumed it hadn't been added yet

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape so turns out MaskTheDead wasn't responsible for people randomly resurrecting as mimics somewhere else

it was TakeThatMaskOff

[deft cape]

oh wtf

so that's like the only known incompatible mod then

[soft hollow]

TakeThatMaskOff has had several issues

[misty hill]

Uhhh I’m not sure it does actually I know that the masked can’t copy the custom models n it bugs them into forever animation if used with AC

I already told bunya but they said it’s some incompatibility with how AC does cosmetics

n ppl in MEO already knew bout that bug so

[deft cape]

i remember someone mentionoing that MoreCompany + ModelReplacementAPI causes issues as well

[misty hill]

ooo

[deft cape]

good to know though thanks for mentioning it

[deft cape]

i guess i'll probably just have to add it to an incompatibility list next time i update mirage

@soft hollow wait doesn't TMLC have TakeThatMaskOff now that i think about it 🤔

[solemn ridge]

I'm sure if they realize it causes problems they'll get rid of it

[deft cape]

doesn't hurt to notify them

i'll probably leave a message

after i check their mod list again

[solemn ridge]

Yeah I made sure it wasn't MaskTheDead cus we removed it and someone's body in the ship randomly resurrected in Titan as a mimic

Lol

[soft hollow]

yea that shit wacky

[deft cape]

im looking at its decompiled code and im not even sure what could be causing it

[ancient moth]

anyone know the setting to set a max skinwalker count? i have MEOfork and its set to 3 but if one of us dies to one, they start multiplying

[deft cape]

as a start you should probably set SpawnOnPlayerDeath to 0 for mirage

idk the actual answer other than doing what i mentioned to have less

[deft cape]

been staring at the decompiled code for a bit and i'm still not sure what could even be causing this conflict, but i'll give a heads up to TMLC anyways

[solemn ridge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PatientAssiduousPhoneAliens-vQSJKegv9gOUdKOK @deft cape

XD

Highlight from tonight's stream

[deft cape]

i already knew it'd be that before i even looked at the title LOL

i joined right at that moment somehow

[solemn ridge]

XD

Entity freaking out so badly about being haunted made my night

[deft cape]

lmfaoo

also that moment where y'all had so much loot but then someone made noise 😭

did the last person even survive

i kinda zoned out after that

[solemn ridge]

Yeah ☠️ oh well our next run will definitely be way better lol

[deft cape]

whoever made the sound trolled so hard 😭

[solemn ridge]

Also idk why BadassCompany killed the game's frames but jesus it did

Maybe it's the emote api?

idk

[deft cape]

if it's erroring in an update function that's always a common source of lag

[solemn ridge]

Yeah it was bad lol, made my modpack feel like it was on it's death bed

[remote iris]

everytime u do a random emote it lags and if u do an emote that moves the playermodel

[solemn ridge]

Makes sense, I had a lobby of 8 people and I think people were emoting on the ship which just murdered my game

They all begged me to add it

Cus

"Emotes play sound"

Lol

Never again

I will say I'm glad TooManyEmotes doesn't have that problem

[deft cape]

i remember my first time playing modded lethal

dunno which mod it was but i had insane lag issues until i removed an emote mod

so it might've been that as well

was getting spammed with errors about PlayerControllerB

[amber swallow]

🤓

[remote iris]

goofy

[deft cape]

bro always ready with the 🤓

[amber swallow]

🤑

[dark brook]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SillySquad/TakeThatMaskOff/

does anyone know if this works with mirage?

[solemn ridge]

I just stated an issue that it causes earlier

[dark brook]

damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[solemn ridge]

Don't recommend using it right now

[dark brook]

then another question, does this setting now work with scaledpenalties?

[solemn ridge]

@dark brook

[dark brook]

or if anyone runs something penalties-wise for modded lobbies, can you please share what exactly

cause last time i played with scaled penalties with EnablePenalty disabled it still counted masked as dead

[lofty sorrel]

#1207572302678589451

[dark brook]

ty

[dark talon]

what's the mod keeping the terminal active?

[remote iris]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/darmuh/darmuhsTerminalStuff/

[digital garnet]

does maskedAIrevamp work with this mod

[safe sundial]

oh boy

[remote iris]

Yes

[digital garnet]

thanks

[dark talon]

Oh it's that one. Thanks!
Does it have any known incompatibilities?

[tall egret]

Would you happen to have a profile code or something? Emotes api shouldn't kill your frames, someone else mentioned logs being spammed so maybe there was an incompatibility, I could take a look at it later

[remote iris]

i dont think so

i didn't run into any

it cant show the doom game in the doom mod

thats it ig

[dark talon]

Ic thanks

[humble plume]

@deft cape Would you happen to understand why my mod causes issues with this? All my mod does is spawn a mask on the ground when a masked is killed. I've heard that when my mod and this are ran together, dead bodies become masked randomly

[oblique galleon]

Could the problem be that it detects a mask in a player inventory when they're dead even if they don't have one if your mod is included?

[humble plume]

well you don't have an inventory when dead?

I need a better understanding of exactly what this mod does, I know that it makes skinwalker voices tied to player ids but thats it

[remote iris]

i think i heardi ts because of the body it keeps or something

something about the body

it causes conflicts

[humble plume]

body it keeps?

[remote iris]

or somethign im not too sure

ill look at the old messages

[humble plume]

Does this mod have mask the dead built into it?

[oblique galleon]

nope, this mod resurrects a player as a masked if they died with a mask in their inventory, along with a few other things but shouldnt be related to the problem

[remote iris]

it removes the body

thats why the penalty thing exists in the config

[humble plume]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ok so would it happen to be mimickingplayers WHILE that player is alive?

[remote iris]

it can if u have natural spawns

but those are natural spawns

[humble plume]

I seeee

[oblique galleon]

i dont think i saw a masked player while they were still alive unless it was a natural spawn

[remote iris]

s

you can see that here

[lofty sorrel]

Nothing to do with the mask item, players just spawn as Masked when they due

die

[humble plume]

wait wait wait hold on

[oblique galleon]

you sure?

[humble plume]

Isn't that the whole issue with my mod?

[lofty sorrel]

Yep

[humble plume]

That is spawns masked when a player dies?

[remote iris]

ig idk i aint a modder idk how those could conflict

[lofty sorrel]

There's a configurable chance it happens, and can be set to only happen when the player is alone, but yes in a lot of cases the player dying will spawn a Masked mimicking that player

[humble plume]

Wait so what is the issue with my mod and this?

[remote iris]

ig your mod making body (not too sure if this is a feature this is what i collected from my memory) and mirage removing the body idk

[humble plume]

someone reported this on github

The first may may only be from MEO, it could be the known issue where if there are multiple of one player the game breaks since it doesn't know how to deal with 3 instances of player 2

[lofty sorrel]

When was that posted? Sounds similar to a bug Mirage fixed but might not be

[remote iris]

well we need mr mirage to look into this ig lol

[humble plume]

I have no idea what causes the invulnerability

[lofty sorrel]

Probably just no valid EnemyAI class to register damage being taken

Or being dealt

Depending on when this issue was posted, sounds similar to a mix between the teleport bug and the deactivatebody bug Mirage dealt with the last couple updates

Looking at the dates those issues were posted, it could well be the case that Mirage's recent fixes could have circumvented the issues. Would definitely be worth testing

[dark brook]

now i got masked stuck emoting 😦

not all of them but

[lofty sorrel]

Doesn't seem super related to Mirage

[lofty sorrel]

So I managed to recreate the issue, and it seems like it was partially repaired by a Mirage fix. The bugged Masked doesn't follow players through different moons now, so it is correctly despawned, but it does appear to stand still exclusively from the perspective of the player who was killed

Isolated to the round though, so unless you have a mod that can respawn players it should be a purely visual bug, as the dead player can't interact with their Masked anyway

Only relevant warning I see is this
[Warning: Unity Log] Failed to create agent because it is not close enough to the NavMesh

But this occurs every time a Masked is spawned, and the Masked are definitely spawning, so I'm not sure what it's referring to

[lofty sorrel]

Should be noted that this only appears on the player that had the issue and not the host (when I was testing I had the other player die and not the host, haven't tried the other way round)

Should note as well, killing the Masked never dropped a player body. They mostly dropped Masks, except two which I'm not really sure why

Was on the ship, killed three Masked on top of each other, two mimicking player #1 (one was a dead player) one mimicking player #0, and only one of the player#1 Masked dropped a mask

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape I wonder if TooManyEmotes is causing chaos with dead bodies and masked enemies causing the respawn thing and it was fixed by removing TakeThatMaskOfff as coincidence

Cus I mean

We did have that one clip

LOL

https://clips.twitch.tv/StrongJollyJamANELE-yqN0HbawjDw5L5_-

[solemn ridge]

My guess is it wasn't the api but maybe the sheer amount of stuff Badasscompany loads? If not that my next guess was gonna be maybe a mod we had added at the time was causing conflicts or the feature in emotesapi to allow enemies to hear the emotes caused it

Something definitely was going weird

I know we removed quite a few mods last night just trying to figure out what was going on

and things returned to normal

Lol

Keep in mind I also have a mod pack that's pretty large so it's possible it just doesn't work very well with bigger mod packs too

[tall egret]

well I would like to try my best to alleviate it not working with big packs, so if you ever have something I can work with I can take a look into it

[solemn ridge]

Will do

I definitely was unable to get it to produce any errors testing it solo though

Maybe I'll try removing TooManyEmotes for now seems to be causing some weird havoc at times

[dark brook]

oh they are actually dead nvm

they just keep emoting

does anyone know if toomanyemotes has a thread?

[deft cape]

ive already been looking yesterday and i have no clue rn

i dont even see what could be causing a conflict

didnt have the time to dig any deeper though

i will say this: it doesn't make any sense to me how MaskTheDead is causing the SpawnOnPlayerDeath feature to always spawn when it's set to 0

since that feature will always fail the rng check

[solemn ridge]

Wait does MaskTheDead do that?

It's weird how when removing MaskTheDead it would still happen though

and if it's not TakeThatMaskOff

[deft cape]

i thought you said it does that

[solemn ridge]

My only guess is TooManyEmotes

[deft cape]

i guess i misunderstood

[solemn ridge]

I thought it did

[dark brook]

whats wrong with toomanyemotes again?

[solemn ridge]

But then I had a dead friend in the ship randomly resurrect without it even installed

LOL

[deft cape]

yeah so it's definitely not that

[solemn ridge]

TooManyEmotes was causing weirdness where a masked would mimic the animations of the actual person they mimic when they die for example

[deft cape]

so is the only issue with maskthedead the frozen masked enemy

[bright junco]

hey, has anyone suggested aeioucompany compat in some way? unfortunately cant speak and i thought itd be cool if it could fool my friends with the tts

[dark brook]

weird...

i only had it just stuck emoting

[solemn ridge]

I stopped having that too

[dark brook]

but actually dead

i also dont run maskthedead

[solemn ridge]

with it installed after your newer updates

[lofty sorrel]

I don't think MaskTheDead is causing any of the issues, probably just TakeThatMaskOff

[deft cape]

if you have a github acc could you create an issue with that suggestion in case i forget?
if not all good, ill write it down later when im free

that feature will have to come way later though since im focusing on v2

[bright junco]

sure, ill go do that, i do have a git

ty for considering

[deft cape]

WAIT IVE BEEN SAYING MASKTHEDEAD? I MEANT TAKETHATMASKOFF LOL

[bright junco]

haha theyre similar

[solemn ridge]

Lol yeah MaskTheDead is fine

[deft cape]

too many masked mods i get the names mixed up

[lofty sorrel]

Too many Masks 😔

[solemn ridge]

I confirmed that

[deft cape]

lmfaooo

[solemn ridge]

Make a mod named after that

TooManyMasks

XD

[lofty sorrel]

TooManyMasks

Changes the names of all Mask related mods to make them more distinguishable

[solemn ridge]

XD

I'm still kind of annoyed at PotatoePet's reaction over Bongo's post, idk how he in any way took that as a personal attack

Ffs

[dark brook]

bro banned me when he found me in some other thread agreeing with someone saying that advcomp breaks mods

[lofty sorrel]

I generally avoid talking about that stuff in public spaces for the sake of keeping the peace