Mirage

[solemn ridge]

XD

[deft cape]

i wonder if it's just rng causing those boombas to spawn more LOL cuz it'd be weird if it affected the spawn rate

[solemn ridge]

It was funny as fuck though

Lmao

[deft cape]

damn i missed it 😭

[solemn ridge]

You can go back and watch the vod

XD

[deft cape]

oh true that's a thing

[tropic swallow]

yo this question was probably asked a lot but does this work with the skin walker mod

[solemn ridge]

Don't pair it with Skinwalkers

Lol

Skinwalkers is redundant when using Mirage

[tropic swallow]

okay

[solemn ridge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpunkyBlitheAxeCoolStoryBob-ol5AgC3iMY7NW5II @deft cape definitely the highlight from tonight

LOL

The way he opened the door and just got grabbed

XD

[deft cape]

oh yeah that 😂

i was alt tabbed for a bit there so i was wondering what happened LMAO

[solemn ridge]

Lmfao

I'm like "Oh it sees me" then I close the door then he opens the door and the giant is like "Yes food"

[maiden peak]

Also, masked will mimic a specific player and only use voice lines from them
There's also an optional % chance that a player dying in general will convert them into a masked version of themselves, optionally only when they're alone

I like to set mine too like a 5% chance and only if the player is alone, so if someone wanders off and dies they may show back up but something's off about them

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape https://clips.twitch.tv/FlirtyUnsightlyAlpacaBleedPurple-74uJwjFQ2rrfR5Pi first time he got grabbed by a Giant btw lmfao

Love how it was as the ship was flying away XD

The Giant was like "Nah I'm taking him as tribute"

[deft cape]

first time getting grabbed was also while the ship was leaving?

this game and its timings 😂

[solemn ridge]

XD

Nice cinematic view of him being eaten though

Lmao

[deft cape]

i might make the default settings something similar to this in the future

doesn't overwhelm you with 100% spawn chance and it's more vanilla like to not spawn if another player is near

[deft cape]

lmaoo

funny how he died the exact same way today, caused by himself 😭

[solemn ridge]

Lmfaoooo ikr

I literally said the giant saw me and shut the door

Then he pops it open and the Giant is like "Ah yes"

XD

[deft cape]

maybe he just didn't realize what you said until the door opened LOL

[solemn ridge]

I think he didn't hear me as a whole

That "Oh what the fuck" as he got grabbed kind of confirmed it XD

[solemn ridge]

I think I see why Boomba spawns increased, they have a power of 1 so I think cus I changed the Coil head power level the game has a higher chance of spawning Boombas now

Which tbh is funny af

[deft cape]

but why boombas specifically 🤔
there's a ton of other enemies with a power level of 1 as well

[solemn ridge]

Lmfao idk

But it was funny getting a Boomba everygame 😭

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape my mod list btw incase you see anything that might stand out that may have caused the desynced coil head earlier

I'm still partial to it being QualityCompany

[deft cape]

im just gonna avoid looking at bugs unless there's a major one that's urgent for me to fix (for this week)

but i still highly doubt the issue is from QualityCompany

[solemn ridge]

I mean you were unable to reproduce it though

So it has to be something

Lmao

[deft cape]

that was the case even for the other bugs too

[solemn ridge]

I fucking knew it it's LethalLib!!!!

LOL

[deft cape]

so idk, and im too tired to even want to look at them for now 😭

[deft cape]

😂

[solemn ridge]

I actually have no idea if it'd be Lethallib tbh

[deft cape]

yeah ik ur just memeing

[solemn ridge]

Anything in VoiceHud or ToggleMute that could do it maybe?

[deft cape]

nah no chance from those for sure

either way though i'll think about it another time

[solemn ridge]

Wonder if MaskTheDead could do it

People have said they experienced weird bugs with that mod and Mirage though I have yet to notice anything weird

[deft cape]

while i have no idea what could possibly cause a coilhead to play a different player's voice, MaskTheDead does potentially look like it could cause issues with mirage, but that's only a guess from looking at its decompiled code

not confirmed, and i don't play with that mod so i'm not sure if it actually causes issues or not

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape Lmao https://clips.twitch.tv/AuspiciousVivaciousOrangeKeyboardCat-khPcQBlnmM0w52xs

I love how it said that then snapped my neck

[deft cape]

shoutout to the coilhead for giving you a heads up b4 killing u 😳

[solemn ridge]

Nah the Bracken snuck up on me and said "Watch your head" then killed me XD

[deft cape]

whoops i meant bracken, must've still had coilhead in my mind cuz of earlier 😅

[solemn ridge]

XD

[solemn ridge]

I'm gonna try turning the EnableNetworking feature back on in QualityCompany and see if it fixes the desyncs somehow, I think the intro speech extended mod was what did the most game breaking stuff

If it causes problems I'll disable it again

[buoyant skiff]

It's doesn't do anything unless you enable a separate experimental features toggle, which is off by default.

[lunar quest]

waiting for the day the masked ai looks less like AI

[lofty sorrel]

Might be preoccupied with the robot uprising when that happens

[lunar quest]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-avengers-marvel-small-price-gif-14188934

[remote iris]

Yo barch i feel like everyone i talk to has an easteren european accent u included lol

[amber swallow]

🤓

[remote iris]

Bro did not waste a second

Bro was waiting

[amber swallow]

i was waiting for a hour

[remote iris]

@solemn ridge https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/CrowdControl/CrowdControl_LethalCompany/

Ur the only lethal company streamer ik of so ig u can try dis mod lol

[willow lily]

That’s a smart way to get viewer engagement tbh

[remote iris]

Yes and it can also make lethal company more challenging

[solemn ridge]

I may try that at some point I am aware of it, I'm not really that big of a streamer though so the benefit of using it right now isn't there XD

[remote iris]

solution: get bigger NOW

spread ur funny clips

[solemn ridge]

I'm not out to try and force growth that usually does more harm than good in most people's experiences

[remote iris]

kk but u should still post clips they are funny

[solemn ridge]

I always share funny clips XD

[lofty sorrel]

Share on TikTok as a small creator, share on YouTube Shorts as a big creator. YouTube Shorts viewers are... to understate it, brutal

[deft cape]

im from NA LOL

[ancient moth]

if i remove meo, what do u suggest settings to use on this mod to have it like normal skinwalkers

[deft cape]

https://github.com/qwbarch/lc-mirage#what-configuration-options-should-i-use-for-a-more-vanilla-experience

try these settings

[ancient moth]

what spawn control mod do you recommend

[deft cape]

i personally like AdvancedCompany

but it comes with more than just spawn control so it might not be what you want

[ancient moth]

does maskedairevamp affect spawn control?

[pulsar lotus]

If you don't want to use AC you can use Lethal Quantities

[pulsar lotus]

no

[deft cape]

btw just an fyi for anyone wondering about cosmetic support (for mods that don't have it yet, such as ModelReplacementAPI), this has to come from those mods themselves.

unless they've already added support and it's still incompatible with mirage, then i'll take a look. otherwise, you'll have to contact the mod authors and ask them to make their cosmetics work for masked enemies

[fading sapphire]

I swear by LethalQuantities, gives the player soo much control

[ancient moth]

we also updated it and we will play later i will let you know barch if they do the same thing

[deft cape]

wait for what, the spawn control?

[remote iris]

bro has the most easteren european accent

[deft cape]

🤨 🤨

thats the first time anyone's said that

[timber notch]

The fading masks is one reason

[timber notch]

Yeah once you get used to it, you can even identify them by the sound of how they walk

[solar zenith]

Fading masks?

[solemn ridge]

MEO has a feature that allows masked enemies to reveal their mask when they're about to attack

I don't like it though, the mask looks weird with some cosmetics

[solar zenith]

Oh that

Yeah I don't really care for that

The arms going up is good enough

[jagged wedge]

I guess the zombie apocalypse mode would also be a reason some people use it

[safe sundial]

eh you can just get another mod that does only that instead of meo

although the mod does it differently than meo

[ancient moth]

the masked spawning in, not moving

[deft cape]

oh that yeah lmk how that goes

[soft hollow]

Woah

Is there a current issue with Mirage?

[ancient moth]

possibly not current i just wasnt updated

with lethalquantities, is there a way to make everything normal except for the masked spawn

[deft cape]

there was for some modpacks

worked fine if you didnt have any mod conflicts

but it shouldnt happen on the latest update

[lofty sorrel]

Still waiting to see if anyone reports it. I imagine Lunxara will tell us whether she ran into anything next stream. And I have natural spawns turned back on in me and my friend's modpack so I'll tell as well, next time we play

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape so Mirage and Lethal Resonance or maybe it's loaforcsSoundAPI? Have a conflict, the Spore Lizard sounds from LR wouldn't work until I disabled Spore Lizard in Mirage, I wonder if this is also responsible for the desynced Coil Head

You think you could find out what's causing the conflict?

[lofty sorrel]

It's probably just the soundapi, LR doesn't touch audio through any means other than through the api

[solemn ridge]

Yeah

So Mirage needs an update to fix the conflict with the API probs

or the API needs an update?

Idk

[ancient moth]

theres a desynced coilhead?

[lofty sorrel]

The api is still early development tbh so probably best to wait

[solemn ridge]

Had a coil head last night that was mimicing wrong voices

on my end it was my friends but on their end it was mine

[ancient moth]

oh

[solemn ridge]

Well I'll let Bongo know

I'm sure it's a potentially easy fix

[lofty sorrel]

Probably yeah, there's a lot to do over there though so might be slow depending on what else they have cooking

[lofty sorrel]

You wouldn't happen to have the CoilHead stare mod would you? I've noticed some weird error messages involving that, most of which don't affect gameplay at all

[ancient moth]

well what are known mods that conflict with mirage besides MEO

[lofty sorrel]

None really, not known at least

It largely doesn't touch most things other mods would touch so it should be fine

[lofty sorrel]

I'm not sure how LethalQuantities works exactly but I imagine if you just leave everything default except the Masked settings that should work fine

Also Lunxara, I think I remember seeing you had TakeThatMaskOff in your modpack, have you noticed that working fine?

[ancient moth]

i downloaded but the only thing it gave me was the global setting

[solemn ridge]

Yes, as long as the bool is on that fixes bugs

[lofty sorrel]

You need to host a lobby for the other configs to generate. Just make a new save, load in, and then exit

[ancient moth]

i did that and its still only gllobal

[lofty sorrel]

Maybe you need to enable the configs in the global config first?

[ancient moth]

what does it change?

[deft cape]

oh interesting, thats a huge find. ill talk to bongo later to find what the conflict is.

this might explain the vc issue as well

[solemn ridge]

Okay well actually

It was QualityCompany doing it

So I bet QualityCompany is responsible for everything

[lofty sorrel]

I don't have the energy to explain how the mod works rn, read the LethalQuantities page to figure out how the configs work

[solemn ridge]

the conflicts stopped when I disabled it

[ancient moth]

i got it

[solemn ridge]

I'm gonna post a bug report on their Github

[deft cape]

thats odd, qualitycompany doesn't do anything with audio

[solemn ridge]

I think it's the Networking feature it includes

Cus if I turn it on the Spore Lizard will never play LR's sounds

[deft cape]

so just to confirm it has nothing to do with soundapi right

[lofty sorrel]

Then if there's no further reports of the no AI Masked, would that be all known issues dealt with for now..? Other than the TP thing I think?

[solemn ridge]

So I wonder if that code is causing some conflicts with Mirage too even when disabled

[solemn ridge]

Nope

[deft cape]

well thats interesting, if more ppl have issues with mirage + qualitycompany, ill add it to an incompatibility list

[deft cape]

probably yeah

[solemn ridge]

I wonder if someone could make a seperate mod for the held items feature of it

QualityCompany is a bloated mod anyways

I removed it

[lofty sorrel]

What feature would that be?

[solemn ridge]

this one, but without the total cus it conflicts with AC, I like having the value show above the item you're holding on the hotbar

It's not worth the problems the mod has though

[pulsar lotus]

i use it for that feature too

[solemn ridge]

It's the only good feature of it

[pulsar lotus]

what are the bugs with it ?

[solemn ridge]

The Networking related features it includes cause a ton of problems

It's also been getting constant updates to fix terminal issues cus the dev keeps fucking with the terminal

Bloated mod is bloated

The only reason it has the Networking feature is cus it has this

[pulsar lotus]

damn, he should just delete that feature

i have an old version of this mod (haven't updated yet) but i havent found a bug with it yet

haven't played much lately tho

[solemn ridge]

It's the same as how LCSoundTool's networking stuff does weirdness for some people even though it's disabled by default I think

I think when QualityCompany's is disabled, because the code is there

It still does some things

[lofty sorrel]

At the very least it should be configurable

[solemn ridge]

It is, I disabled all the features in it except for held item value

Lol

[lofty sorrel]

Ah, well, then the config clearly doesn't fully disable the networking aspect of the feature

[solemn ridge]

Same with most mods that include that option sadly

Holy shit the game boot times after removing it

XD

So much faster

[pulsar lotus]

maybe ppl should only do mods that does one thing haha

[lunar quest]

After removing what?

[solemn ridge]

QualityCompany

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape I just wanna state, I had QualityCompany randomly causing spawn rates to go insane too, I went into Experimentation earlier and a spider and spore lizard were immediately spawned in XD

and the only 2 mods I'd added that I thought may have done it checked out as being safe

[pulsar lotus]

I hope someone makes an Ui mod as good as QualityCompagny that only does that and works, i'll miss it !

[solemn ridge]

I would still check and make sure the SoundAPI mod doesn't conflict with Mirage at all, but I think it was just QualityCompany wreaking havoc now lol

Because Moroxide has said he's had no issues

🙂

and ofc he also said he doesn't use QualityCompany

XD

[deft cape]

i mean you have lethal ressonance installed anyways, so if there is a conflict, you'll probably still see it anyways right?

this kind of sound bug isn't something i'm probably gonna spend time looking into unless there's a bigger lead, since it doesn't come from mirage directly

[solemn ridge]

Yeah, but I feel like if anyone would have noticed it Moroxide would have for sure lol

[deft cape]

yeah idk what could be possibly causing a conflict with mirage like that

[solemn ridge]

I'll have to see if it's fixed next time I get my group together

018dc975-b3e9-0e8e-13db-da2855c5957d Well here's my current modpack you're free to go through the mods included and see if the code in any of them stands out but at this rate I think QualityCompany was a safe bet

[deft cape]

i have no mental energy left for looking for bugs 😭

unless anything comes directly from mirage i'm probably not gonna spend much time looking into it anymore

[solemn ridge]

Haha you're all good I get it

[grim sentinel]

from 150 fps to 20 XD

[deft cape]

you sure that's from mirage? i don't touch the player audiosource

[grim sentinel]

just add these mod

Could it be the snail?

[solemn ridge]

Probably LCSoundTool

[solemn ridge]

I think I found it, WeatherTweaks includes it

[ancient moth]

@deft cape it got fixed

and they are horrifying

[deft cape]

nicee thanks for the confirmation 😄

[umbral briar]

um excuse me but idk about the name "qualityCompany" there cause the only 2 signs i cant read are those top middle two 💀

[buoyant skiff]

It's not about visual quality, but quality of life.

[twin abyss]

[image] = "Delete after a recording is used"?

Top one sounds like "Delete once the ship goes to orbit if true", bottom is "Never Delete if true".. but do recordings delete after being played?

or Does the image imply that if the bottom one was set to true - the recordings would stay on the PC indefinitely even after the client closes?

there's a bit of ambiguity here. ._ .

[deft cape]

second one is to just never delete period, it was requested cuz some people don't want their recordings to be deleted that often

[twin abyss]

Do recordings get deleted after being played?

[deft cape]

no they only get deleted per round, or per game, depending on what you set DeleteRecordingsPerRound to

[twin abyss]

Can I suggest a DeleteAfterPlayback config, for those who want it to not repeat the same thing more than once - but want it to at least repeat once? . ,.

[deft cape]

that'd require me to do distance checks (between the player and the enemies) to make sure voice clips aren't wasted

which i don't really want to do right now

so i'll have to decline for now, but maybe i'll add it much later on

[twin abyss]

Ye know, now that I rewrite the comment 2-3 times - I can see the conundrum. ... hmm

There is no natural distance checking, and the sounds play whether nobody is even in the facility or not, which is why clips could be wasted if my concept was added. .,.

[deft cape]

pretty much. while it probably wouldn't be too hard to add it thanks to unity, i'm focusing on other features for now

[twin abyss]

Just wonderin' if some friend is in, the only thing they said is "Oh, there's a gold bar here", and the enemies will inevitably keep repeating the only thing recorded from them if it's a per-round thing, but also even a per-game thing if they're not that talkative... ... nevertheless, I will set both to false since that seems to be the best choice to ensure there's ample "choices" o,o

good luck in on the other features. .- .

[deft cape]

just to note, IgnoreRecordingsDeletion is not synced, so anyone who wants to have it will need to set it themselves

the reason i didn't sync that value is since it never deletes recordings, it fills up your hard drive

i'll add more options in controlling when recordings get deleted later on, but that's for way later

[twin abyss]

question: if I had that set to true for 2 sessions, then set it false - does it nuke the old things?

upon loading of the third session, that is

[deft cape]

anytime IgnoreRecordingsDeletion is set to false, it'll use DeleteRecordingsPerRound for when to delete

in which case does nuke your previous audio

[twin abyss]

so it'll nuke the audio upon going in, playing 1 day, and then hitting orbit

or just- going in and leaving to the main menu

[deft cape]

oh are you asking about DeleteRecordingsPerRound

[twin abyss]

IgnoreRecordingDeletion

[deft cape]

well if you have that set to true it'll just never delete

[twin abyss]

so if I had deleterecordingsperround false, and ignorerecordingsdeletion true for 2 times I've loaded the game and played (let's say) 12 days

then the third time I load the game up, I set the ignorerecordingdeletion to false

[deft cape]

DeleteRecordingsPerRound doesn't matter when IgnoreRecordingsDeletion is set to true

IgnoreRecordingsDeletion just forces it to never delete anything

[twin abyss]

I wonder if I'm phrasing this wrong 😓

[deft cape]

oh wait i think i get what you're asking

i just reread it

[deft cape]

in this case it still gets nuked cuz deleterecordingsperround = false deletes whenever you go to the menu

hmm i see how this can be a bit confusing actually

[twin abyss]

ok ok ok 😅 - Yes. That is what I was wondering

[deft cape]

i'll have to change the description a bit

[twin abyss]

I was trying to rephrase it to be like "Does the saving process of the audio care for the settings of either" or something

to try to figure out the conclusion I was lookin' for x3

Ok, so both false it is. c:

[toxic junco]

Question

How often do voicelines play and if I wanted to make them more often would I have to lower the delay?

New to the mod and use to just doubling it with skinwalker cause I like the monster to talk very often 😓

[deft cape]

by default, it's 7 seconds to 12 seconds per voiceline for masked enemies, and 20 seconds to 40 seconds per voiceline for non-masked enemies

indeed if you want to make them play more often, just lower the delay

just a warning though, having skinwalkers installed means you still have voices that aren't synced because skinwalkers and mirage are separate mods

[twin abyss]

Double rate (i'm assuming) would be 3500, 6000, 10000, 20000 - for the 4 values.

[deft cape]

yup

[toxic junco]

I don't have skinwalker install anymore! I just wanted to know just incase I wanted to tweak it!

[twin abyss]

Double the rate of voicelines off default values* that is

[toxic junco]

7-12 doesn't sound that bad actually

[twin abyss]

note, that's 7-12 for masked only

[deft cape]

oh i misread what you said, thought you were using both mirage and skinwalkers at the same time

[twin abyss]

set the other 2 values to 7000 and 12000 for all set* monsters to mimic that fast

[toxic junco]

oh okay thats easy to remember I didn't realize it was that easy to read! Cause when I saw the vaules were 7000- 12000 I wasn't sure how the the time frame was

[deft cape]

yeah it's just the delay in milliseconds

[toxic junco]

makes more sense thinking about it lol thank you so much though for answering :)

[twin abyss]

@deft cape could I get like... a rephrazing of this in a short amount of words?

or just- say if I'm right or not

First one: If true - You can't hear your own voice, but others can, when the monsters are mimicking it.

Second one: If true - Others can't hear your voice from you, but will hear the mimicking voices - when playing.

yay or nei o ,o'

although the way that I've stated those wouldn't... give much sense as to why the 2nd one would override the first...

so I'm probably wrong . ,.

[deft cape]

MuteLocalPlayerVoice
If true, you can't hear your own voice (while you are alive), but others can. As soon as you're dead, you'll be able to hear your own voice (from voice mimics) again.
If false, you can hear your voice as well as others.

AlwaysMuteLocalPlayer
If true, you will never hear your own voice (and ignores MuteLocalPlayerVoice).
If false, this setting does nothing.

AlwaysMuteLocalPlayer is not a synced config because it's for people who just don't want to ever hear their own voice

i should probably update the config descriptions lmao

[twin abyss]

Is it wrong if that doesn't explain it to me still 🥹 ...

XD

If the FIRST is true... You will never hear your own voice... if the SECOND is true... you will never hear your own voice... and ignore the first one ensuring you never hear your own voice... 🤣 ... I'm so lost ;w;

If the first is FALSE, you can hear yourself- that i understand

but what does the 2nd one being true do that the first one being true-

[deft cape]

fuck

sorry

i missed a part in the first description lmfao

sec

[twin abyss]

🤣 ... 😅

[toxic junco]

mutelocalplayer and alwaysmutelocalplayer sound like they do the same thing from my understanding if set to true

[twin abyss]

OOOOOOOOOOOOH

THAT makes a difference! XD

[deft cape]

nope it's not, read my edited message

[toxic junco]

Ohhh while alive changes everything

[deft cape]

i really need to update the config

[twin abyss]

hahahahahaha XD

I WAS SO CONFUSED ;w;

[deft cape]

holy shit im stupid, didn't realized i missed that part completely....

[twin abyss]

🤣 No no no no you're not stupid

I find this entertaining as fuck right now XD

I was genuinely stumped like

"i'm so god damn dumb ;w; ... I'm asking every damn setting"

[deft cape]

yeah 2 settings that seemingly do the same thing 😂

whoops... just a bad description

[twin abyss]

I re-read that like 20 times X3..

[toxic junco]

Yeah that new wording of it makes a lot more since

[deft cape]

might be time for me to change a bunch of the descriptions cuz they only make sense to me

[twin abyss]

I'm the QA you hate ;w;'

[deft cape]

actually a good thing you pointed that out cuz the majority of people who have trouble understanding the descriptions will probably just assume the wrong thing

[toxic junco]

kind of like the sound of MuteLocalPlayerVoice to true but yeah its personal taste

now that I understand it lol

[deft cape]

yep same, i only have it as false still cuz i didn't want to change the defaults between minor versions

once i get to a major update i'm changing a ton of the defaults and removing some features

cuz some of them are technically legacy features now

or just defaults that made sense in the past but not anymore

[toxic junco]

debating which would be better for me now hm

mostly for grouped up senarios

[deft cape]

i personally like MuteLocalPlayerVoice set to true cuz hearing your own voice just instantly tells you it's fake

[toxic junco]

True

Ah yeah

[twin abyss]

a part of me wants it false because then you could debate against a friend that is in earshot that-that isn't you

but then because you've said that, your debating of it is something they can say

which inevitably they're going to state "Yes, I am real"

"I'm not an enemy"

and if you have these debates even twice - there are going to be odds where one enemy is mimicking, the other debates they're the real one - and they're both fake

[toxic junco]

well the monster/mimic will home in at some point

[twin abyss]

(I'm sure the odds of this happening are like <1% - but I've had some bs skinwalker moments in my life before)

[toxic junco]

sometimes just seeing it around the corner makes you think right away

yep thats mimic

[deft cape]

yeah since it's random you'd have to get pretty lucky to get a nice clip like that 😂

[deft cape]

indeed, which i'll try to modify the masked ai at one point but not sure if i'll be able to pull it off

[twin abyss]

Honestly wish I was recording skinwalker moments, because some moments do be like that

I've had a fuckin' enemy be behind a locked door

and they mimicked someone going "I need a key!"

[deft cape]

yeah coincidences like that make for legendary clips

[twin abyss]

I cried

lol

What I'm shocked is like... how many times lines seem to line up to a situation

I swore since day 2-3 of using the skinwalker stuff, that there was an AI

that chose perfect lines

but to be told none of it is AI controlled and just random?

I've cried laughing at-at least 5 instances of voice lines syncing with a situation

how on earth is that RNG

[toxic junco]

Also I was reading somewhere in the discord, the spore lizard enabling with mirage turns off other audio for the spore lizard for example: Lethal Resonance mod

Does mirage normally replace the all audio for monsters with clips or is that something/a bug that was already fixed I don't have to worry about?

might be old news just wanted to ask

[twin abyss]

wait does it override resonance stuff? 😢

[deft cape]

mirage adds a new audiosource to each enemy, it doesn't use the existing one

if audio ever doesn't work it's because a different mod is grabbing the wrong audiosource to use

[toxic junco]

Ahhh

[deft cape]

but @solemn ridge said it was actually not an issue with LethalRessonance

[toxic junco]

I think it was just the spore lizard from what I read

Oh okay I just saw that and saw no one else talk about it so I wanted to make sure

[twin abyss]

Now that I think about it... it couldn't be that hard to attribute a tiny form of AI into a voice-mimicry mod could it? Get a speech-to-text detection to detect key words like the names of any scrap, common names of enemies... etc - or even the names of players

then when someone asks like "is anybody here?" - it digs for voicelines detected with "I'm" or "here"

[deft cape]

voice recognition would be the easy part

getting the proper answer would be the hard part

[twin abyss]

I'd say to shove all the detected keyphrases into the name

but windows has a pathway limit

'n what if it makes a file "I'm Here Loot Bracken Door Key Code"

or something

and it shoves it over that pathfile limit

[deft cape]

i mean that's just be voice recognition, but i'd still need a way of knowing what to respond with

[upbeat compass]

it truly would be :3 https://github.com/LoafOrc/VoiceRecognitionAPI

[twin abyss]

Just gotta set up key words and use any file that has one of those words. The odds of someone saying "I wish to be a bracken" is slim.

[deft cape]

yep i remember this from back when you made ship voice commands

[twin abyss]

Like, it just has to detect key gameplay terms or words. I'd say the hardest part is tying what it detected to the file

[upbeat compass]

god i never wanna look at any of that code again

truly some of the worst code to ever touch anyones computer

[twin abyss]

You say this, knowing there are nuke files designed to destroy PCs >w>

sometimes to destroy components permanently

it ain't that bad

[upbeat compass]

hang on

[deft cape]

i feel that

[deft cape]

that's actually the easy part

[twin abyss]

How would ye do it?

The name of the file couldn't contain it - cause what if they say like 20 key words?

[upbeat compass]

everything is contained in a single file: https://github.com/LoafOrc/ShipVoiceCommands/blob/main/Plugin.cs and genuinly just look at this

[twin abyss]

can't have file names that big or else windows will throw a hissyfit

[deft cape]

use voice recognition to get the text of the audio clip, and then just have a file that maps the names to the audio files

[upbeat compass]

yeah i was gonna say having some sort of mapper would be the easiest

[twin abyss]

oooo...

[deft cape]

oh im actually planning on using a different voice recognition api, windows voice recognition has issues that i don't like

[twin abyss]

what kinda file can consistently be edited over and over... or I guess technically it can just be mapped into memory... now that I mention it

nvm me -w-

[deft cape]

any file can be edited over and over again

[upbeat compass]

like what? ig having it be based on the users global windows settings is a little bit annoying

[deft cape]

https://github.com/ggerganov/whisper.cpp

[twin abyss]

But you'd run into harddrive issues of trying to save the audio files, amongst editing into a text-file of sorts to log the keywords and having to then use the voice recognition to write elsewhere to try to match response... .,.

[deft cape]

well saving audio files would be the exact same

for the amount saved i mean

the file that maps the detected voice text (from voice recognition) to the audio file wouldn't take much space at all

[upbeat compass]

yeah youd be surprised how light text files are

(espically if you don't have padding to make it human readable)

[twin abyss]

Yeah, but now you're throwing in voice recognition that then needs to write down what it's recognizing with the api - then try to match through reading the file ., .' ... I'm just worried about how many movin' 'parts' there are having this + the game running

[deft cape]

if i add voice recognition it'll be an add-on mod

[twin abyss]

surely enough of this would cause a performance hit in trying to load audio sounds of some thumper running at you

[deft cape]

won't be part of the main mod

voice recognition will definitely have a performance hit, so it'll be optional

that's if i even add it btw, nothing is set in stone

[fading sapphire]

I can't wait for voice recognition, I was a bit scared of my mimics furiously staring down people with nothing but intense keyboard sounds 😭😭

[twin abyss]

omfg- I swear my friend has the loudest damn keyboard..

I never even heard skinwalker use his voice

I've gone through numerous days just hearing furious clicks and taps

[fading sapphire]

In my case the loudest damn keyboard in existence, the IBM MODEL M

[twin abyss]

I guess if voice recognition is there and it fails to hear a word - it could reject the recording

that'd sort of save on a lot of useless keyboard recordings

it just needs to detect a word

[deft cape]

oh yeah off topic but bongo i love facility meltdown

when i first played lethal company i hated how the apparatus looked like it'd be high-risk high-reward but didn't actually do much when you pull it

[twin abyss]

other than screw over people without a flashlight, open all doors that could be used to contain an unkillable enemy, all for 80 bloody credits -w-

[deft cape]

voice recongnition is probably the wrong tool for that tbh, there's better ways to filter keyboard sounds

which i'll explore later on

[fading sapphire]

Me too, it's made some games feel like a mad dash back to the ship, especially on Auralis

[twin abyss]

It's literally useless to pull out base-game

[toxic junco]

it gets the monsters REALLY mad and spawns more apparently by default but yeah its not enough

[twin abyss]

It drives me up a small wall being the ship guy, with 30 security doors to help with and then I see someone at like 11 AM pull the apparatus

[deft cape]

i didn't even know it does anything in vanilla, other than turning off the lights (i think)

[twin abyss]

and then 2 hours ingame later - they're like "There's a jester"

well JEE I wonder what could stop a jester. = w=

[toxic junco]

it apparently makes the monsters "mad" from what everyone told me

[twin abyss]

It is basegame

[toxic junco]

idk if that means they home in or they spawn more etc.

[twin abyss]

if you pull apparatus out like - prior to an enemy or two existing

it forces one or two to spawn iirc

[toxic junco]

Ahhh

[twin abyss]

but like... even if it didn't spawn any enemy

it's not worth it people -w-

granted I never used the uh... mods that mess with it

[deft cape]

still nice to grab it last

[twin abyss]

because I've heard of issues here or there

but peeps tellin' me it's fine

[deft cape]

except i have a friend who will always grab it if it's the first thing they see

[toxic junco]

It should be grantee kill monster if anything like a bracken spawn

[deft cape]

facility meltdown works completely fine for me

[toxic junco]

cause would be weird if you grab it and bunch lootbugs came out lol

[twin abyss]

I swear I heard that the meltdown/place-going-kablooey if the thing is pulled mods didn't function on certain (or all) custom moons

granted there's like 4 of those damn mods isnt there

[upbeat compass]

huh? meltdown uses basic functions that are needed for the base game to function

so if meltdown can't function on a modded moon/interior then that modded moon/interior is fully broken and doesnt function at all

[twin abyss]

I swear I'm not bernsteining this

[fading sapphire]

Nah I've been using it just fine on custom moons

[twin abyss]

a meltdown mod of sorts stated like "this cannot work unless [code] is put for the moon"

[fading sapphire]

And interiors like MoreInteriors bunker

[upbeat compass]

there are no other mods like meltdown? what are you referring to

[toxic junco]

might been a really old thing you're thinking of

[twin abyss]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[toxic junco]

if anything

[twin abyss]

I swear i looked into that shit like months ago

[deft cape]

maybe one that has an effect when the apparatus is pulled

[upbeat compass]

the only one like that is lethalradation

and all that did was some screen effects and i think damage you over time so would not need support from moons

[toxic junco]

ah it does say it might not work on all custom moons

but the ones it wouldn't work on are probably broken af ones

[twin abyss]

I swear a meltdown or reactor-going-kablooey mod was just not worth the hassle when I looked at it a while ago

I'd pull up my history, but bloody history seems to get nuked away randomly >->

so I can't even state if it's facilitymeltdown or not

[toxic junco]

I don't use much custom moons cause immersion lol, only kast and atlas

[upbeat compass]

i havent updated that part in a really long time:

[toxic junco]

mostly interiors

[upbeat compass]

should say:
FacilityMeltdown works with all Custom Moons/Interiors - as long as they don't mess up really basic functions for even just the base game to function. In that case that moon/interior is fully broken and needs support from its creator.

[timber notch]

mfs playing Lethal Company with a model M?

[upbeat compass]

the first function is finding the outside main entrance, so obviously if meltdown can't find it theres going to be more issues

[toxic junco]

could've been Orion at one point it didn't work cause they planet gets messed with a ton if thats what you tested it on Kev

[fading sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-giga-chad-sigma-male-gif-25702945

[toxic junco]

plus that map is a performance disaster

[upbeat compass]

there was another function somewhere but i forgor cause meltdown is like 2.5k lines of code 💀

[twin abyss]

I'd have to go to an old ass video to see the chain of events of which mod I looked up =w='... twas a mod that had the apparatus explode the place up, and when i looked at the mod from said vid

it had the heckin' warnings of like "this will work for basegame moons" basically

[timber notch]

https://preview.redd.it/waiter-waiter-v0-xv92th7rmt6c1.png?auto=webp&s=8fccdb2a611fbd5878e9d5a6390ac180710d002d

Ignore the fact that I’m also a mechanical keyboard user

[upbeat compass]

same

[twin abyss]

I kid you not, last session he died with a damn mechanical keyboard. You'd think it's a meme, but he did attract the dog to his death with it

I was witnessing the whole thing

[toxic junco]

again probably a worry back in the day but custom maps have gotten way better now

[timber notch]

I had no clue mine was even audible until I played with mirage

[fading sapphire]

Funnily enough it never seems to be noises from the keyboard, it's my friend who's always clueless and running when a dog is about 💀

[timber notch]

iirc there’s a noise suppression mod, so I might test that out tomorrow

[twin abyss]

Dogs can't hear that far. It honestly is a mini pet-peeve of mine when I watch youtubers/streamers deal with dogs and they crouch when they're like 4 seconds of running distance away =w=

[fading sapphire]

Yeah they see a dog and crouch forever

[twin abyss]

if you're like 5 seconds of walking distance from a dog, they can't hear you - w-'... more-or-less 5 seconds of walking distance

[timber notch]

Bruh I see a dog while spectating and spiritually crouch

[twin abyss]

🤣

[upbeat compass]

bro sits harder in his chair

[deft cape]

lmfao

[twin abyss]

Can just imagine if a con of this game happens - and somebody brings their pet dog all suited up to look like an eyeless dog (or some fursuit) - everyone in the building just starts crouch-walking and using sign language

Give me hyper realistic eyeless dog suit irl pls

[timber notch]

I wish I could go back to before you made me aware of the concept of an Eyeless Dog fursuit

[twin abyss]

XD

God the things I could've done at 5 in the morning (right now)... It's funny as fuck here right now.

[timber notch]

I’m so tired I interpreted “sign language” as using physical signs to communicate

[twin abyss]

smacks someone with a 'stop sign'

The person who's dressed up as an eyeless dog: goes after the one smacked

Eyeless Dog logic 101

ye know what.. that's a mod idea concept. Someone's free to take that

sound goggles/glasses

to be able to see sound waves

[timber notch]

See that sounds cool until you realize unless they just show the “hitbox” of the audio it’d be a comical amount of work

[upbeat compass]

you two are delirious

[timber notch]

I love the concept but execution doesn’t really work

[timber notch]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-giga-chad-chad-gif-23788137

[twin abyss]

Ez

[timber notch]

I don’t think I’ve ever noticed the yes expands at the end of that wtf

[twin abyss]

mod gets the hitbox of the audio - flattens it - places it on the navmesh terrain. finds the centerpoint of where the sound originated - then does a pulse effect using the water-wave texture/animation effect in all directions.

Super ez

-u -

[timber notch]

…yeah i’m tired

[twin abyss]

totally wouldn't tank frames

[timber notch]

lol

See im@overtired but also have my sleeping kill kicked in

[twin abyss]

Then, if the wave would've went through a wall, curve it upwards 90 degrees and continue the wave with remaining duration tied to it

[timber notch]

I’mjust gonna have. A snack and go to snooze

[twin abyss]

to simulate sound waves travelling up a wall ;p

[timber notch]

Goodnight

[twin abyss]

🤣 ... Rest well

[small glacier]

I don't have WeatherTweaks 😭

[small glacier]

Found it! It's QualityCompany that does it

Just doesn't show up as an option in the Config or on the Thunderstore page

[solemn ridge]

Highly recommend not using Quality company anymore, that mod kept breaking things for me lol

[small glacier]

What'd it break? D:

Thanks for the heads-up!

[solemn ridge]

The Networking feature it has causes all sorts of problems

You can disable it to help but you still might get some desyncs and oddities with the mod installed

[small glacier]

It's off by default—what sort of things go wrong even without that feature?

[solemn ridge]

The EnableNetworking feature in QualityCompany is on by default

The mod states that desyncs can happen when it's disabled, though idk to what extent

[dark brook]

does anyone know if cosmetics disappearing on death is caused by mirage?

[solemn ridge]

It's not

[dark brook]

ok ty

[solemn ridge]

Are you using AbsasCosmetics?

For some people that pack has a bug with that

[dark brook]

ye

oh jesus nice

[solemn ridge]

Yeah just remove it, I'd recommend removing Inacraft too if you use it they are both very unoptimized

[small glacier]

Oh, you're right! Mine was false for some reason—probably turned it off 'cause it said "Experimental" but now I'm honestly not sure—it's unclear whether the feature itself is experimental (which is probably what I assumed when I disabled it) or whether switching it to false is experimental

[solemn ridge]

The feature itself is experimental

[small glacier]

This is unfortunate, I really liked QualityCompany

[solemn ridge]

I like it for the held items feaure but it's not worth it for the issues or bloat it has

[small glacier]

What is even in this mod?? Are the "experimental features" enabled by "EnableExperimentalFeatures" separate to the ones marked Experimental in the config?? Why do they hafta be so vague 😭
I was gonna try to debug it so they can fix whatever it is but probs not even worth it

[solemn ridge]

If the dev would join the Discord it would be great

I will say that just removing it made my game boot faster

XD

[small glacier]

Thanks for letting me know! I guess bundling a bunch of unrelated features together isn't worth it anymore now that Thunderstore can have more than 5 mods installed without exploding

[solemn ridge]

I mean GI and AC bundle multipole features well, QualityCompany is just lacking the optimizations they use I think or they're adding too many random unrelated features together and the game dislikes it lol

[small glacier]

Ye, I know whatcha mean! AC is my favorite mod and GI is essential to all my modpacks

I think this mod just has its own weird way of syncing things that's incompatible with other mods? What problems did it actually cause, anyway? I still don't even actually know what I'm complaining about XD

[solemn ridge]

Made some sounds for LethalResonance not play cus it would conflict with Bongo's API, caused enemy spawn rates to randomly go nuts on Experimenation

I had a desync with a coil head the other day with Mirage and it acted like a Skinwalkers one which may have been a conflict from QualityCompany as well

[small glacier]

Okidoki, thanksies! I might try playing around with it later to see what it's actually trying to do but for now I shall put it in the sideline

[dark brook]

friends are reporting that they see masks on mimics

ughhhh

018dcc91-558a-6ac5-a278-a2eeecb933b7

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2482116633763969865/CD8E7B89D2F93A535DE9B92E894F9DA315A80DC4/

but the ai is working

also on host i saw them without mask

AH

NEVER MIND

THE GUY WITH THE MASK PUT IT ON HIMSELF

SO HE HAD IT

this caught everyone off guard lmao

so we all died

[lofty sorrel]

Wait so is there a problem or not

[fading sapphire]

So what's the current list of bugs with Mirage? I only really know of the Teleporter one as that's the only one I've faced

[lofty sorrel]

Uncertain if the no AI Masked is fixed completely, just haven't seen any reports of it so I'm assuming it's gone for now. Other than the TP one I don't think there's anything else tbh

[rain mountain]

we had quite a few masked encounters last night and didnt see that anymore so it may be gone

[fading sapphire]

That's very good to hear, Barch deserves a holiday 😅

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah he's not looking at bugs this week unless there's a gamebreaking one, but that doesn't seem to be the case

The many hoops we had to jump through to actually achieve that bug just made it so difficult to understand. It was fixed by accident in trying to fix the issue of creatures ending up at the next planets people landed at

[fading sapphire]

Wait so like if I people went to rend or something that spawned masked, then back to a moon that doesn't it would spawn without AI?

[lofty sorrel]

I don't remember the details of the bug exactly, it was different to the no AI Masked in that it affected other creatures as well. All the issues were to do with multiple mods attempting to deactivate bodies at the same time, resulting in chaos apparently. So Barch just added a check to not deactivate bodies if another mod is already doing it

[fading sapphire]

Ohh right, god it sounds like a real pain to narrow things down between conflicts. Sort of reminds me of when BetterSprayPaint bricked all custom interiors 😅

[lofty sorrel]

We still have absolutely no idea what other mod is deactivating bodies

[fading sapphire]

Hmmm, the only thing that comes to mind is SellBodies for me but that doesn't do anything with Masked

Maybe some sort of cleanup mod?

[lofty sorrel]

It has to be a fairly common mod cause it happened to a lot of different groups. Though there could also be multiple other mods, so can't really rule out anything

Would have to just read the sourcecode of a bunch of mods

[dark brook]

no, its just that the mask stays on if you turn yourself with one

had 0 issues with masked today

2.5 hour session

[lofty sorrel]

        {
            if (allowSpawningWithoutPlayer)
            {
                if ((Object)(object)mimickingPlayer != (Object)null && (Object)(object)mimickingPlayer.deadBody != (Object)null && !mimickingPlayer.deadBody.deactivated)
                {
                    if (enemyEnabled)
                    {
                        enemyEnabled = false;
                        ((EnemyAI)this).EnableEnemyMesh(false, false);
                    }
                }
                else if (!enemyEnabled)
                {
                    enemyEnabled = true;
                    ((EnemyAI)this).EnableEnemyMesh(true, false);
                }
            }
            else if ((Object)(object)mimickingPlayer == (Object)null || ((Object)(object)mimickingPlayer.deadBody != (Object)null && !mimickingPlayer.deadBody.deactivated))
            {
                if (enemyEnabled)
                {
                    enemyEnabled = false;
                    ((EnemyAI)this).EnableEnemyMesh(false, false);
                }
            }
            else if (!enemyEnabled)
            {
                enemyEnabled = true;
                ((EnemyAI)this).EnableEnemyMesh(true, false);
            }
        }```

Is this something?????

Or this???

LethalThings

[solemn ridge]

Damn it I said it was LethalLib!!!!

Lmfaooo

I'm messing I'm messing

@deft cape can you check these logs Debby posted?

[lofty sorrel]

Not logs, sourcecode of LethalThings

I always thought Maggie was completely unimplemented, but the code seems to suggest not

[solemn ridge]

So you're thinking it's doing things? You could probable ask Evaisa in #1178456016254414878

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah I just asked

The way it's coded it really seems like Maggie is just... Masked??

[solemn ridge]

I pinged her for you since you forgot

Someone answered

[lofty sorrel]

I gotta stop coming up with ideas that are actually decent and dooming myself to an hour of deep diving

Only other mod in the lists of potential mods we had is Mimics, which deactivates bodies when people are eaten, but I don't think that's an issue?

Cause the Masked were spawning without AI, it wasn't just because people got eaten by doors. Right....??

[lament mica]

I never rule anything out
not ever since a sound mod caused entities to be unkillable.

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape I wonder btw, is it possible for Mirage to end up having the sounds be processed in memory like Skinwalkers v3? That might help with the performance issues some people get

Having sounds being processed on your drive and deleted constantly isn't a good thing for SSD's overtime

[lofty sorrel]

Come to think of it as well, is there a way the saving and deletion could be done per profile rather than just in the LethalCompany game folder? I realised all my sound clips have been deleted because I don't save them on my testing profile

[timber notch]

Realistically it shouldn’t have much of an impact though

SSD’s have a very small failure rate

[errant cypress]

I think if you're worried about wear of an SSD... you shouldn't process any data on a computer 😄

[timber notch]

I imagine as long as you don’t have like

A really cheap and/or early sata ssd

You don’t really have much to worry about

iirc a company released data on ssd vs hdds on their servers

and they were like 5x more reliable or something

[solemn ridge]

Okay lol I just remember it used to be very bad for SSD's

[timber notch]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/five-years-of-data-show-that-ssds-are-more-reliable-than-hdds-over-the-long-haul/

[formal basin]

i managed to have a working ssd for ~8 years before it died on windows 10 installation

[solemn ridge]

I wasn't sure if that was still the case or not

[timber notch]

Yeah for early SSDs and low storage SSDs it wasn’t very good

But nowadays as long as it isn’t like a super cheap and/or very low storage one, you should be fine

You can get SSDs so tiny now too lol

M.2 SSDs are wild

This thing could be like several terabytes

And they’re also faster

[willow lily]

Dude I feel scammed with my ssd

[timber notch]

Freaking SD cards are wild

[willow lily]

I paid like $100 for it just to find out that there’s SSDs 10x faster with more storage and it costs like $30 less

[timber notch]

You can get microsd cards that are terabytes

[timber notch]

💀💀💀💀

[errant cypress]

wdym my aliexpress 64 tb ssd works fine /s

[timber notch]

Pffft

[errant cypress]

But for some reason I keep losing my files??? it's so weird

[timber notch]

Right?

[abstract valve]

question. does mirage support morecompany's cosmetics like maskedenemyoverhaul?

i've always used maskedenemyoverhaul with mirage so i wouldn't know

[deft cape]

having them stored in memory isnt a good thing, ram is much more expensive than disk space

[solemn ridge]

Fair

[errant cypress]

Depends on how much you have I guess

[deft cape]

also loading it from the drive isnt what makes it slow, it's only slow if you load it from the main thread

mirage loads files from a separate thread

[deft cape]

anything that supports cosmetics for masked enemies works with mirage, so morecompany does work

[abstract valve]

wait

maybe there is a misunderstandment? 😂

[deft cape]

you mean if it conflicted with mirage? i dont think so, it's not deactivating the dead body

[abstract valve]

so masked enemies copy morecompany's cosmetics from the player with mirage? because that wasn't the case with maskedenemyoverhaul until they made a compatibility hotfix

[deft cape]

do you have any mods that might control the mask texture?

and just double checking, the mask texture only stays when a mask is put on a player right?

(ill look at this issue sometime next week though)

[timber notch]

Masked Enemies work without the need for other mods

[deft cape]

yeah it does, the way i have it setup rn is that any mod that supports cosmetics for masked enemies should work right out the bat

[timber notch]

MoreCompany cosmetics or AdvancedCompany cosmetics

It works with both

[deft cape]

it didnt work in mirage earlier bcuz the cosmetics were just applying before i set the mimicking player

[abstract valve]

ah ty

[timber notch]

Yeah, it was just applied slightly differently with AdvancedCompany

But it’s worked for a bit now

[abstract valve]

if only you add this to mirage also. then i wouldn't need to use maskedenemyoverhaul

[solemn ridge]

That feature is extremely buggy in MEO anyways

[deft cape]

yeah im planning on doing it later

btw if ur using MEO, use MEOF instead

[abstract valve]

how so?

[deft cape]

with the compatibility patch

or the suits and voices wont match

[abstract valve]

hmm are you sure?

[solemn ridge]

It causes Masked to steal the player's username, and in future games the nametags will no longer work on the masked mimicing someone or yourself

[abstract valve]

ah

[lofty sorrel]

It was an experimental feature in MEO anyway

[solemn ridge]

Super experimental

[abstract valve]

it was always working fine. except for the bug Lunxara mentioned

[lofty sorrel]

Without the compatibility mode, the voice of the Masked won't be the player's voice it's mimicking all the time

[abstract valve]

does MEOF fix this?

[solemn ridge]

No

[lofty sorrel]

No

Jinx

[abstract valve]

😔

[solemn ridge]

MEOF just fixes the enemy spawn rate bug from MEO, and has a compatibity setting for Mirage

[abstract valve]

nice. ty!

[solemn ridge]

I don't even use MEO at all with Mirage anymore

I set Advanced Company to have them spawn at the same rate as the Bracken

[abstract valve]

i love the username thingy

[deft cape]

i personally just use the mod that hides player names but

thr player tag thing ill try to add later

[abstract valve]

that's what i was thinking to do. but i like copying username more

[deft cape]

just not a very high priority for me

[abstract valve]

but i guess i'll just do that

[solemn ridge]

You can use General Improvements to hide names now if you have it

It has an option now

[abstract valve]

ik but ty

[solemn ridge]

Idk if @deft cape knew or if they use it though

Lol

[abstract valve]

what mod do i use to increase spawn rate? i don't use advanced company

[deft cape]

oh yeah i didnt know, but tbf i dont even have GI installed

[solemn ridge]

Well Lethal Level Loader can also do it

But I highly recommend AC

[abstract valve]

AC is too much

[willow lily]

AC is a god send

[deft cape]

im gonna try TMLC sometime with a couple changes

looks pretty damn fun

i love AC

[solemn ridge]

That's a skill issue if you think that lol

[deft cape]

makes things so simple

[willow lily]

That used to be my go-to modpack before I started making my own

[solemn ridge]

It does, it's an essential mod at this point

[deft cape]

whats ur modpack nexus

[willow lily]

Fr

[dark brook]

nope, only mirage
so far its the only thing i've noticed

[solemn ridge]

I also stumbled upon mrov's mods, and found TerminalFormatter, LightsOut, and WeatherTweaks to be essential too

[willow lily]

This version is a bit buggy (really just random errors in the log but no gameplay errors other than a possible jester wind up song conflict), but I should hopefully be uploading a fix today https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/CHAOSS/ChaoticCompany/

[abstract valve]

aight but it add too many things

[deft cape]

ah gotcha, thankfully quite a small issue so ill wait till next week to fix it

[solemn ridge]

It's completely configurable, and if you don't like the stuff it adds use the Mostly Vanilla preset

[dark brook]

whats lightsout

[solemn ridge]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/LightsOut/

[dark brook]

ye, no one thought it was an actual mimic and 4 of us just died

prank went too well

[pulsar lotus]

does this improves fps a lot ?

[abstract valve]

i can try using it but i'm afraid it would cause a lot of conflicts with other mods

that would be a nightmare

[solemn ridge]

I would say most likely, I know lamps kill fps on the ship when their lights are on so I don't see why the apparatus wouldn't as well

This is why with GI I always turn off the lamps when on the ship

XD

The ship seems to be so finnicky when it comes to things

[pulsar lotus]

Ok thanks i'll try it

[deft cape]

ur actually the goat for figuring out how to replicate it

[remote iris]

ur the goat for creating this mod

[lofty sorrel]

We are goat

[amber swallow]

🤓

[pulsar lotus]

You seem to have tried a lot of mods, do you have some good ones that enhance the ui ? (now that i don't use QualityCompany anymore it feels empty) @solemn ridge

[remote iris]

dawg never misses nerd emojing me

[solemn ridge]

018dcd5b-a3d1-4aa9-bcf5-b2c82289d4e5 my current mod pack if you wanna go through and see what you like lol

[deft cape]

ur friend camping here with 🤓 LMFAOO

[amber swallow]

🤓

[deft cape]

🤓

[amber swallow]

🤓

[remote iris]

🤓

[amber swallow]

🤓

[remote iris]

🤓

[amber swallow]

🤓

[pulsar lotus]

thanks i'll look into it !

[willow lily]

If you like more simplistic HUDs there’s EladsHUD

[pulsar lotus]

Thanks i'll check that too !

[deft cape]

btw guys read up on how these config values work, i realized my descriptions in the config file itself sucks

ill update the descriptions to be more understandable during the next update but for now this'll do

[abstract valve]

if you're using generalimprovements already and like more vanilla style try AccurateStaminaDisplay

generalimprovements for hp

[solemn ridge]

Yeah I have that setup in my mod pack

[pulsar lotus]

i'm not but just saw it in Lunxara's modlist, i will try see if i like it , thx !

[abstract valve]

np

[abstract valve]

this is how it'll look with these two

[willow lily]

I use both of those in my pack. Can confirm they work well together

[remote iris]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/LessonLethal/BetterUI/

i like better ui

[solemn ridge]

I tweaked mine to have ChangeColor cus I didn't like the always show function

[abstract valve]

when does it change color that way? as soon as you press shift or when the stamina depletes?

i mean gets to less than 20%

[solemn ridge]

When your stamina is really low and you try to sprint it will turn red to signify you don't have enough stamina, when it depletes and starts filling back up it will be red for a bit til you gain enough stamina again

When walking through water on flooded planets it turns red

ChangeColor makes it work more similar to EladsHUD's stamina bar

[abstract valve]

ah i don't like it that way. it used to always be like that until they added that always show red bar feature

[solemn ridge]

I just think the AlwaysShow feature looks weird

Idk why

[abstract valve]

if that red bar is shown as soon as you press shift then it would be better

but it's alright as it is

[solemn ridge]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/letmusicring/ShyHUD/ Another great mod btw @pulsar lotus but it isn't compatible with GI's hp feature currently

[abstract valve]

i can see why you would think that honestly

[solemn ridge]

Yeah the red constantly showing just looks a bit uncanny to me

Lol

Idk how to describe it

[abstract valve]

i understand

[solemn ridge]

I love EladsHud btw but it disables some things like the planet description showing up on the hud when landing

[abstract valve]

honestly it would've been the best if the red bar moves with the current stamina when you're sprinting like that other hud mod

but i think they just don't know how to implement it because i made that suggestion before

[solemn ridge]

Yeah EladsHud

Probably

[abstract valve]

@deft cape sorry i just realized we moved to a different subject in your thread 😅

[abstract valve]

yeah something like that

[solemn ridge]

Hey I'm sure barch doesn't mind, he's not being bugged about bugs for once

XD

[abstract valve]

some ops hate when people do this 😅

[deft cape]

nah i dont mind at all

[deft cape]

yeah exactly LMFAOO

[abstract valve]

my n word 🤝

[deft cape]

ayo 😂 😂

[abstract valve]

it's ok i'm black (source: trust me)

[remote iris]

im showing my friend lethal company clips till he buys the game

[remote iris]

very trustable source

[willow lily]

Do you have any images of that one?

[abstract valve]

it's like $5.8

[remote iris]

only in some countries

like mine

on most westeren countries its 10 bucks

[deft cape]

good strat

[abstract valve]

damn unlucky

[remote iris]

for some reason atleast 40% of steam games are 50% of the price

like baldurs gate 3 is 60 bucks

but its 35 for me

[abstract valve]

oh shit that's true

[willow lily]

Lunar new year sale is going on rn

[abstract valve]

interesting it's not like i'm in turkey

ayo nvm

[deft cape]

bro self doxxed

[remote iris]

it dont even say discount

also when they discount i get like a 70% discount if they do a 30% discount

[abstract valve]

nah for real i'm not there 😂

[halcyon stratus]

It's not uncommon to charge less in countries that either make less money on average or if their economy sucks, etc.

[abstract valve]

what is economy 🗣️

[fading sapphire]

Woah thanks for sharing! I gotta try this out

[remote iris]

like how rich is the country

its a scale

[willow lily]

What country are you in..?

[remote iris]

iraq

[willow lily]

That makes sense then

[abstract valve]

7abibi kaif 7alek

[willow lily]

Thought you lived in the west lol

[remote iris]

i dont lol

[remote iris]

im very good lol

also idk how to use those english arabic letters thing

i just text in arabic lol

[abstract valve]

7 = ح

i think you already know 💀

[remote iris]

yeah i can read

but sometimes i get confused

[abstract valve]

you can easily learn while you're reading

[remote iris]

when lethal company had a 30% discount it was a 70% discount for me

[remote iris]

ig but i never try lol

[abstract valve]

anyways it looks like games are cheaper in the middle east

[remote iris]

yeah and we dont pay tax atleast for me

[willow lily]

Lucky

[abstract valve]

true

for some reason

lets just keep it that way

[remote iris]

yes

[abstract valve]

don't snitch plz

[deft cape]

LOL

[abstract valve]

i'm Omani btw. no one asked ik sorry imma just leave

[remote iris]

nah i was wondering lol

so how's oman i heard they keeping it traditional

[abstract valve]

yeah very. they don't like modern stuff idk why

[remote iris]

u want it traditional or westeren

[abstract valve]

not me included

[abstract valve]

i don't want both

ya3ni keep it traditional but modern lmao

[remote iris]

so like iraq lol

we dont have like skycraper moderen

but we dont have oman traditional

[abstract valve]

yeah like that

[remote iris]

also the streets are filled with trash

[abstract valve]

for example, this new place they made now next to the beach, they made it look like traditional old houses thingys

[remote iris]

and like its crazy

[abstract valve]

idk how to explain

[remote iris]

i would guess very boxy

and sandstone

[abstract valve]

yes exactly

[remote iris]

or blocky

[abstract valve]

yes yes

it looks both modern and old at the same time

we went too off-topic

[remote iris]

True

[abstract valve]

anyways this is it 💀

anyways i think it's enough

[deft cape]

i might have brain rot

my first thought was that looks like a gta map

[abstract valve]

negawatt

"A negawatt is a unit in watts of electrical power saved. The term negawatt is derived from megawatt and was created by Amory Lovins. Lovins saw a typo — "negawatt" instead of "megawatt" — in a Colorado Public Utilities Commission report in 1989."

[deft cape]

broo 💀

[abstract valve]

i don't want to get cancelled please

[lofty sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-skeleton-damn-bro-you-gif-25852196

[abstract valve]

let me not guess anything

[remote iris]

Ah that

[solemn ridge]

@torpid arch Ayyy I just noticed WeatherTweaks fixes the issue where increasing landing speed in AC causes flooded planets to not have the water rise

I increased it to test and it's rising nice

[torpid arch]

i did not know that was a thing

[solemn ridge]

Yeah it is lol, your mod somehow fixes it

Nice work XD

[torpid arch]

magic

[abstract valve]

@solemn ridge hi. since you're an expert in mods, can you help in what to disable if i add AC? it would be appreciated

[solemn ridge]

I mean I disable stuff based on personal preference

[abstract valve]

if not then i understand

no just the mods that you think would conflict with AC

[solemn ridge]

Oh just check out it's compatibility list

[abstract valve]

i don't know much about AC i just know that it adds many things

[abstract valve]

oh that's a thing

ty

umm the page has been removed

[torpid arch]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/PotatoePet/AdvancedCompany/wiki/1238-compability/

[abstract valve]

wtf then the link needs updating on thunderstore

[abstract valve]

ty!

[pulsar lotus]

I need to try AC too but have big modlist that will be usefull

[abstract valve]

i'm in a similar situation

i'm sure a lot of mods would break AC

[pulsar lotus]

I wander if AC has as many spawning options as LQ, anyone knows ? (will be a pain to remake all my settings too )

[solemn ridge]

99.9% of the time a mod won't have issues with AC tbh

and usually the compat problems aren't on AC's end

[pulsar lotus]

we'll see but the UI and the portable terminal and some other items look so nice

[abstract valve]

idk about that

maybe

[lofty sorrel]

Not as many, no. You can change the weights for each enemy for inside, outside and daytime but not the spawn curves etc, just the weights

[pulsar lotus]

Oh, and can i choose to use LQ spawning instead or is it incompatible ?

[lofty sorrel]

It should be compatible I'd think, I'm not sure tbh

[pulsar lotus]

Ok, i'll try eventually !

[errant cypress]

AC alters with the spawns of monsters on planets

[lament mica]

@abstract valve for AC on larger mod list. You can edit the mostly vanilla preset and save it as a new one. You can then start enabling things until you get issues if any. The menu appears when hosting a save.

Lmao woa it flipped my message

[abstract valve]

It’s ok it happens with arabic words lmao

That’s a good idea ty

[lofty sorrel]

Can confirm I just got this bug, I was killed and Masked spawned from my death, another player pulled the lever to leave, and next time we landed I could not be teleported. Only message I see when I try to teleport (using inverse) is this [Info : Unity Log] Player #0 is not close enough to teleporter to beam out

And yes I was within the teleporter

No errors, and it should be noted I didn't get any particle effects or screen shaking from teleporting in or out

[shrewd mirage]

I don't know, after the last mirage update several masks appear on some maps from the start of the game, there are 5+, even if you kill them all, they appear during the game. I have EnableNaturalSpawn = true in my config. I tried to set
MaskedEnemyOverhaulfork, and limit the maximum number of masks, but it doesn't work

[lofty sorrel]

This wouldn't be caused by Mirage, Mirage doesn't handle spawning at all unless it's via a player dying

[willow lily]

that's an MEO thing

[shrewd mirage]

Yes, sorry, it really isn't a mirage, I turned it off and it didn't help. I don't understand what could be causing the masks then, I don't have any mods affecting spawn except brutalcompanyminus and AC, but in brutalcompanyminus the weight of enemies is disabled, that it was controlled by AC 😦

[lofty sorrel]

Do you have zombie apocalypse mode turned on in MEO

[shrewd mirage]

I don't have meo, I put it on 1 time, hoping it would help control the number of masks

[lofty sorrel]

I see, well I have no idea how brutalcompanyminus works so idk if I can really help there. I'd triple check that all of your Advanced Company enemy and moon settings are correct, but other than that I don't know

[errant cypress]

custom moon?

[shrewd mirage]

Yes, outpost, but the classic moons was happening too.

It's not brutalcompany, I disabled it too 😦

[errant cypress]

If it's on normal moons too... idk, sharing your modlist would help.
I'm gonna sleep now tho

[shrewd mirage]

https://pastebin.com/3BmY9VCm

I apologize, it's still AC, with a 15% chance of daytime mask appearing, they appear uncontrollably several pieces, too bad, will have to disable daytime spawn 😦

But why so many masks appear, I never realized

[lofty sorrel]

The numbers are weights, not percentages. If you have Masked at 15 but nothing else has a value, then only Masked will spawn. You need to set other things to spawn as well

[shrewd mirage]

Oh, thank you for the clarification.

[lofty sorrel]

If you want Masked to have a 15% chance of spawning at each spawn interval, just have some docile locust bees and some manticoils set up as well, making sure all of their weights add up to 100. So:
Masked - 15
Manticoil - 40
Docile Locust Bees - 45
So the chance of a Masked spawning each spawn interval is:
15 / (15 + 40 + 45) = 15 / 100 = 15%

[shrewd mirage]

Yes, now I understand how this system works, again thank you very much❤️

[deft cape]

interesting, thanks for the log. i'll keep this in mind when looking at it later on

[deft cape]

I'd like to update everyone on where Mirage is heading, and without further ado, here is what's planned:

What can I expect to come to Mirage in v2.0.0?

• Voice recognition
  • Used by the behaviour predictor to try to play a voice clip based on how you've previously responded to others
• Behaviour prediction
  • Uses machine learning to learn how you respond over time
  • Optional feature (opt-in per player). Enabling behaviour prediction will only run predictions for masked enemies that mimic your voice, not other players
  • Players who choose not to use behaviour prediction can still play in the same lobby as others who do use it. The only difference is, masked enemies that mimic their voice will use random clips.
  • Note: This feature will require you to have a decent pc

No longer coming out in v2, will have to be a future release after that.
~~- Masked enemy AI changes

• Attempt to make it act less obvious (such as no longer staring at the player)
• Different AI modes, such as a masked enemy that goes around looting items
• Pick up and use items
• Potentially use the behaviour predictor to pick what action the masked enemy should perform
• Opt-in feature, in case you want to use a different masked ai mod~~

How long will it take for these features to come out?
Don't expect this to come out anytime soon. It'll come when it's ready, but I will try my best to keep everyone updated on our progress.

New member working on Mirage
Huge thanks to @vast cobalt for partnering up to work on the behaviour prediction (machine learning) part of the mod.
The behaviour prediction feature is hard work, and would not be possible without his help.

[pulsar lotus]

Damn this is insane 😮

[safe sundial]

so it will eventually not work with maskedairevamp

nvm

read the last line

[deft cape]

you'd have to choose one or the other basically, it'll be opt-in

[twin abyss]

So, I set the % to 1 just for that "rare occurrence" of someone dying becoming one.... TL;DR - it happened many times, masked enemies that don't function, masked enemies others don't see - as they stand there... when attempting to teleport someone dead, it warps an invisible(?) masked and their body (it makes 2 teleport sounds)... I.. don't think the masked reanimating part is functionin' ... too well 😅

But the audio stuff is spot on, and jesus christ it nearly got me a few times

[deft cape]

reanimating part should work fine when using mirage by itself, you probably just have a mod conflict

the teleporting issue is a known issue though, that's something i'll address next week

[twin abyss]

Literally heard a snare flea drop somewhere on the map - I went towards a stair and saw who I thought was my damn friend walkin' 'n running to the catwalk in front of me. I asked "I heard a snare flea", and it said "Where is the snare flea?"

if it wasn't for the god damn emoting it sometimes does, I'd have fallen for that shit =w=

[deft cape]

you'd have to disable the emoting feature in whatever mod that comes from

[willow lily]

This is fucking hype

[twin abyss]

But that's the overhaul mod

removes masks, gibs emotes, cosmetics?

[deft cape]

yep figured since people keep asking for voice recognition, i might as well announce it.
i did want to announce it later when we had more work finished, but no point hiding it anymore

[deft cape]

MEO doesn't do emotes itself im pretty sure

[twin abyss]

ah toomanyemotes workin' with em

[deft cape]

btw just an fyi, if you're using the original MEO, i'd recommend using MEOF instead

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Coppertiel/MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork/

and enable the compatibility config for mirage

[twin abyss]

y no the mod itself fix that bug .-.

wait does this have the fix - or I need to remove MEO?

[deft cape]

remove MEO for MEOF

homelessginger is just busy, that's why you'll need to use the fork

[twin abyss]

||Doesn't that... sort of go against the 'rules' in place for mods? .,.||

[deft cape]

normally yes, but homelessginger gave coppertiel permission to upload it to thunderstore

[twin abyss]

well how would I heckin' know if permissions given... we need new tag on mod in the website to reduce false reports -u-

Honestly, I'mma just toss you the previous 2 logs of mine. You're welcome to dig into them if you think it'd help (maybe someone else reports something and you can cross reference it? I dunno). Masked stuff was kinda borked. Will give another go with the fork stuff

[deft cape]

oh the reanimation issue doesn't come from MEO, i'm only recommending you to use MEOF because MEO causes the suits/mimicked voices to not be the same

reanimation issue is more likely to be a conflict with another mod that interacts with masks or something, but i'll have to see

i haven't confirmed if SpawnOnPlayerDeath is just broken on mirage itself yet so if it's not working for you, just set it to 0 for now

will look at it next week cuz it's not a huge game-breaking bug

[twin abyss]

Christ-

all fucking mighty

I tried to send you my player logs

and discord booted me out, and forced me to go through an entire verification process

are - you - kidding me >:l

AND NOW MY TEXT IS WEIRD

discord y u do dis

[deft cape]

since it's getting buried, if anyone wants to see a sneak peak of what'll come for Mirage v2.0.0, check out the pinned message:
#1200695291972685926 message

[umbral briar]

Wow...

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape bug report

People are turning into masked enemies on death with it set to 0% chance

[deft cape]

oh wait

i see the bug actually

whoops....

actually jk it's not what i thought it was

not sure what would cause that yet

[solemn ridge]

It's something with the latest update

[deft cape]

i'll investigate another day

[lilac saffron]

HYPE

[lament mica]

Don't do that.
Don't give me hope.