Mirage

[solemn ridge]

Yw ❤️

I vibe to the main menu music constantly too it's so good XD

[thin sonnet]

Forlom is godly (the name of the Menu song made by Cama)

[bitter harness]

How do people usually go about sending dependency strings on here? I don't wanna spam the whole channel

might be annoying for some

[solemn ridge]

It is

[lofty sorrel]

@solemn ridge This fella seems awfully animated, went to Rend with all creatures turned off but Masked, cost of the moon set to 0, MEO natural spawns on, and that's all I changed other than the cosmetics and the animation compatibility setting in the AC client profile

[lofty sorrel]

Put it in a .txt file and send that

[solemn ridge]

I wonder if it's just an issue when playing with multiple people

[bitter harness]

Thank you

[bitter harness]

We had about 6 people

[lofty sorrel]

Maybe yeah, I've so far been unable to reproduce the issue alone

[solemn ridge]

Imagine if HDLethalCompany was the conflict ☠️

[lofty sorrel]

Just noticed you have logging turned off in the modpack, gonna do another test just to make sure there aren't any other Masked being problems

[solemn ridge]

Yeah I disable it by default just cus I've had my game crash with it on before

I only use it when trying to get errors

[lofty sorrel]

Then might give multiple LAN clients a test, but if that comes up with nothing might have to suggest a group test at some point

Yeah definitely no errors or broken Masked

Gonna try LAN now

[solemn ridge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CarelessWealthyOstrichAMPEnergy-SQCyxdWDoepgJDyd I was so focused on trying to find my way out here I didn't even realize how perfectly timed that was

XD

I'm like "There's a spider in here" and it sneaks up and says "Not surprising" ☠️

The spooky ambience from LethalResonance in the facility layout is too good btw, it makes me like the Facility more tbh

I usually hate Facility cus I always get lost but I love it cus of the ambience now XD

[dark talon]

I didn't read every single message. Just skimmed through.
Have you ruled out that it's not specifically the compatibliity option of MEO fork "causing" the bug?
I had the stuck masked without AI before but it was on Atlas (inside tho) with an older mirage version (I think) and MEO fork being the only other masked mod

[solemn ridge]

MEOFork doesn't cause it

From what I can tell natural spawns does

But it seems random whether it does or doesn't happen

[dark talon]

EnableNaturalSpawn from mirage config?

[solemn ridge]

Yeah

[dark talon]

well, yea I always had that enabled

[solemn ridge]

If you use MEOFork you can leave that setting disabled, cus MEO has it's own spawning mechanic

[lofty sorrel]

To clarify, did you mean this in reference to Mirage's natural spawn setting or MEO or both?

[solemn ridge]

Mirage's

[lofty sorrel]

Well fuck

[dark talon]

I don't think I even need MEO for anything anymore tbh
I don't want zombie mode. I just used it while AC comsetics weren't working with mirage

[solemn ridge]

I like MEO for having them spawn on all moons

[lofty sorrel]

So did you have MEO's turned off when the issue happened?

[solemn ridge]

I had MEOFork installed, with that option toggled in Mirage

[lofty sorrel]

So just default MEO settings?

[dark talon]

think I'd rather set that via LLL or AC because then I have all the custom moon stuff like spawn tables in one spot tbh

[solemn ridge]

Yes with the compat settings for Mirage ticked

[lofty sorrel]

Alright

[solemn ridge]

I could look into that, I haven't messed with AC's spawning settings cus I don't wanna fuck something up tbh

[lofty sorrel]

AC's spawning settings have worked flawlessly for me tbh

[worthy helm]

I'll have to try this too, I haven't touched AC's spawning configs.

[dark talon]

yea it's only problematic with some event mods like hullbreaker from my experience

[bitter harness]

Could I... disable meo completely and set masked to be able to spawn from AC config on all moons?

[solemn ridge]

but with natural spawns off, will AC still make them spawn?

[lofty sorrel]

It also doesn't work for Peeper's cause they run on their own spawn mechanics

[bitter harness]

Doesn't that get us to the same place?

[dark talon]

yes

[lofty sorrel]

Probably? Maybe?

[dark talon]

you can even have them spawn outside and it didn't break on experimentation unlike atlas outside spawns 🫠

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah I have them set to spawn on all moons, just a low chance

Has always worked for me

[solemn ridge]

What would you recommend for spawn chance on AC? @dark talon

[dark talon]

to clarify: landing on a moon that was previously visited with hullbreaker will revert the enemy spawn tables to get rid of event changes but it will not respect AC's overrides. Still trying to figure out why that is.

[solemn ridge]

I guess I could just do Bracken percentage for each moon so it feels the same

[timber notch]

https://tenor.com/view/minos-prime-ultrakill-minos-prime-heart-gif-25658179

[solemn ridge]

I'm used to MEO's behavior

[fading sapphire]

I used that for spawning them on all moons too but then just moved onto LethalQuantities, which allows a lot more control over moons and spawns

[dark talon]

depends on what you want. I use it to theme custom moons.
Yeah go with bracken rate ig

[fading sapphire]

But LethalQuantities has weird conflicts with LLL 1.1.5 and 1.1.6 so i'm needing to use 1.1.4 rn

[solemn ridge]

I never realized Offense has such a low Bracken spawn chance

Wild

[dark talon]

can you elaborate? are you talking about adjusting the curves?

[solemn ridge]

But I rarely go to that planet also

[fading sapphire]

Curves, powers, weights you name it

Individual moons or top level blankets

There's a lot of configs but it gives you a crazy amount of control

[dark talon]

in my pack I basically redesigned all the moons xD
Vow for me is almost always sewer (similar to how vanilla exp is almost always facility) and spawns only spider, centipede, puffer and more rarely crawlers

[solemn ridge]

That is so nice

Easier than I thought it would be

Copied flowerman values for all planets

[dark talon]

I'll have to look at it again. I wrote it off because back then I didn't quite grasp the concept of animationcurves in this game

[worthy helm]

so for the fork should i set this experiemental to true? Dont Touch MaskedPlayerEnemy.mimickingPlayer set True to work alongside mirage yes?

[solemn ridge]

Yes, but now I recommend removing it and just setting them in AC to have the bracken spawn percentage instead

Might be better for having less issues

[worthy helm]

oh I see ok so don't touch the spawn rates on the cfgs instead use AC to cfg via presets.

[solemn ridge]

I could send my updated modpack code if need be since I set it all up for my config

But yeah for example to make it feel the same as MEO

Have them spawn at the same rate as Flowerman

On all moons

[worthy helm]

oh that's fine I know to mess with that, but my question was for this one. Unless we talking about the same thing.

[solemn ridge]

Oh I removed MEO as a whole now

But yeah that's the option you want for Mirage compat

[worthy helm]

ahh ok. Yeah I still want them spawning with no masks and impersonating /cosemtics/emotes what not. So I'll keep it and see how it goes.

[solemn ridge]

Mirage has that

Already

[timber notch]

The only things MEO has that Mirage doesn’t is the Bracken spawn chances, Apocalypse mode, and the mask fading option

[solemn ridge]

Removing MEO netted a performance improvement

Holy

[worthy helm]

ohhhh. Okay then, I misread. Just started using Mirage but mostly for it's synced voices/skinwalker style.

apologies

[solemn ridge]

No MEO installed here just AC adjusting spawn rate

My Mimic danced when it saw me

XD

So yeah remove MEO and do that instead, it nets a nice performance boost

[lofty sorrel]

This is the only error I got while testing LAN with two clients. Should be noted that Masked never chose to mimic the host, always mimicked the other players. When the host was turned, their body just collapsed and no Masked was spawned (Either that or a Masked was spawned, but instead of it being the host it was the client, I couldn't quite tell, but the body was left regardless)

So will definitely be worth testing with actual multiplayer

[solemn ridge]

Yeah guessing that's just a LAN bug

[lofty sorrel]

Doing one more test with 3 people, then I'll leave it till Barch is here again

[solemn ridge]

018db319-fe60-e1f5-a0e4-d610d5aa135f Well here's my updated code with MEO removed, I do wonder what MEO does that causes performance to feel worse now

[grim sentinel]

I am occupying MEO and Mirage at the same time, but in situations some masked men appear and remain motionless, also sometimes if someone dies from the masked men the body disappears. I don't know which of the two causes the problem.

[solemn ridge]

Known issue

[lofty sorrel]

We're discussing this issue

[solemn ridge]

disable Natural Spawning, and I recommend removing MEO and using AC to control spawns instead

for Stability

[grim sentinel]

ok understood, I'll try that

[solemn ridge]

Also TakeThatMaskOff works as it should too, when I killed my Mimic it dropped the mask on the ground

I still have the bool enabled though that gets rid of bugs

[errant cypress]

Sadge, 14 FPS thanks to this

But not a Mirage problem i think

[deft cape]

yeah doesnt seem like it, though do i wonder what it's coming from still

[deft cape]

could you send a profile code here?

i'm not gonna be home for like maybe 6 hours so when i get home i'll help test

[lofty sorrel]

Just got done testing 3 players LAN, definitely stuff went fucky this time. Not quite a complete loss of AI, but desyncs galore. Let me find specific errors

[deft cape]

oh shit you were able to reproduce the issue? 👀

[lofty sorrel]

Didn't feel like it? They weren't stuck on vents, and they had cosmetics, they were just.. Broken

[deft cape]

vent thing might just not be mirage then (hopefully) but broken cosmetics is definitely sus

which i think relates to the atlas issue actually

[lofty sorrel]

Not the cosmetics broken, the Masked broken, I'll try to describe it when I figure out why the logs don't have any errors in them

[deft cape]

sounds good

[lofty sorrel]

Ah shit, UnityLogListening was false

[solemn ridge]

Rip

[deft cape]

oof didnt even know thats a thing

[solemn ridge]

I disable the logging settings for normal play

XD

ig I could enable unity listening though because with the console disabled it shouldn't do anything

[lofty sorrel]

Alright... One more test with 3 LAN players

[solemn ridge]

018db32d-cc49-71af-b963-d45cc5083fb6 There made the change

[lofty sorrel]

I did it myself dw

[grim sentinel]

018db32d-454e-b443-5ebc-3343f3a8c550

but I just deleted MEO, now I'm configuring AC and hope everything goes well by tonight, we normally play between 10 to 16 people, many times the mods break quickly

[solemn ridge]

Yeah but it'll be useful for qwbarch

XD

Btw qwbarch any chance to implement the feature for masked to mimic your nameplate as well?

[deft cape]

oh i cant even test rn anyways, im not home rn (although im on my phone so ill probably look in here once in awhile)

[deft cape]

yeah thats planned but not anytime soon though

[solemn ridge]

Alright alright

[deft cape]

thanks gonna try this out when i get home

[formal basin]

it's back.

[lofty sorrel]

Under what circumstances

[formal basin]

atlas abyss again
visiting it multiple times

weird dog behaviour and masked got stuck latched onto player

[remote iris]

@deft cape we got to 7000

[deft cape]

lets fucking goooo

[deft cape]

ok confirmed not atlas then...

although it was probably related

the issue still remains elsewhere

[remote iris]

we did like 2000 messages in like these 12 hours

thats crazy

[deft cape]

LOL

[remote iris]

we might'vve gotten some recoginition from that

oh we did

i remember it was like 48000

[deft cape]

thats at least one good thing out of the bug LOL

[remote iris]

were very near to 50k

[deft cape]

lets fuuuucking go

[remote iris]

dawg i just checked skinwalkers and they beat us by like 8950000 downloads 😭

[deft cape]

they always will since it's the og

but thats fine anyways

[remote iris]

and since they get yt vids on em

WE NEED YT ADVERTISEMENT NOW

[deft cape]

😂😂

reproducing that bug is looking decent now at least

thanks to the folks here who have been testing for awhile

[remote iris]

bro i dont wanna do autopsies on modpacks rn 😭

[deft cape]

lmao nah u good

[remote iris]

also what inspired u to do make this mod

im pretty sure it was the masked zombie on death spawn thing

[deft cape]

nope it's that i wanted synced voices

the zombie spawn thing was a solution to a different problem at the time

[remote iris]

barch im gonna go insane

[deft cape]

anything i did for mirage was pretty much the experience i wanted from skinwalkers but couldnt have

jesus LOL

[remote iris]

i always hoped skinwalkers was synced

[remote iris]

i was in that vc before u discovered thos ebugs

and try to fix em

thats how long i was in it

and im still in it lol

[deft cape]

11 hours is crazy 😂

[remote iris]

i spent like 6 hours alone tho lol

[deft cape]

yeah mirage is what i thought skinwalkers + meo was before i tried them

o

[remote iris]

waiting for my friend to get out of school

lol

[deft cape]

im just waiting till i can finally go home

so i can reproduce the issue

[lofty sorrel]

These are the only two errors I got in the 3 player LAN game. Masked were okay, though they were mimicking the wrong players, and different players per person (including ones spawned via a player being turned). I'm gonna send all three logs in a sec

[deft cape]

i wonder if removing toomanyemotes would fix it

wait the screenshot on the right is cut off

can u send another one without the top part cut off

[amber swallow]

🤓

[remote iris]

i was waiting for u for 6 hours bro 😭

[deft cape]

😂

[solemn ridge]

018db351-a015-74c1-3747-c71d6d953420 My current modpack code

I don't see why TooManyEmotes would cause problems btw

I had a Mimic spawn just fine earlier and it danced when it saw me

XD

[remote iris]

well that could explain why i dont get it

i use badasscompany

[deft cape]

does a mirage log of who's being mimicked even show up at all? kinda seems like something is preventing it from running

[deft cape]

oh shit thanks

[lofty sorrel]

Just keep in mind I didn't run into the exact issue of them spawning with masks at vents unmoving etc so none of these might matter

[lofty sorrel]

Right after the end of the error itself it says Mimicking player #1

[errant cypress]

Again have the bug where the voices come from the ship instead from the person...

[deft cape]

this is probably more relevant actually just cuz it probably happens more often

[deft cape]

wtf

im not sure about that one, never experienced it myself before

[solemn ridge]

I've not had that either

[lofty sorrel]

The error I sent regarding ModelReplacement is probably an error exclusive to that mod so that's probably not one to worry about at all

[deft cape]

damn i cant "ctrl+f" on my phone's text viewer

weird that the suit is mismatching but it still set who to mimick

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah, I haven't cross referenced the logs to see if it says in there it's mimicking different players, I might do that

[deft cape]

i think AC shows who it's mimicking as well right?

[lofty sorrel]

Oh true

[willow lily]

you mean how it doesn't actually replicate the model?

[lofty sorrel]

I mean probably, but also it seems to trap Masked who turn a player

[deft cape]

wait ModelReplacementAPI supports masked enemies?

[errant cypress]

maybe some other mod has a conflict... I have too many 😅

[willow lily]

MEO does I think

[solemn ridge]

I have ModelReplacementAPI added cus it fixes being unable to see yourself on the Internal Ship Cam

[willow lily]

Like successfuly replace the models

[solemn ridge]

MEO does not support ModelReplacementAPI

[willow lily]

Hm, maybe it was a different mod

[solemn ridge]

The dev has stated it's not possible

[willow lily]

I swear I've seen it before

[deft cape]

damn it's that hard eh

[lofty sorrel]

Fairly sure it's never been done

[deft cape]

could be, i dont remember anyone else having this bug ...yet

[deft cape]

ah so that error log isnt even related to cosmetics eh

[solemn ridge]

Yeah ModelReplacementAPI is doing quite literally nothing in my mod list it just exists for that sole reason

[deft cape]

icic

[solemn ridge]

I wonder if I even still need it tbh, after removing MEO and stuff

[lofty sorrel]

Irritating that this all seems absolutely fine

[deft cape]

how tf is the suit not matching then wtf

[solemn ridge]

018db355-e868-f4ce-3e10-dbe574fef0de Whatever I removed it incase it causes problems

[deft cape]

there has to be another mod thats overwriting the suit then

[lofty sorrel]

Do all bug havers have OpenBodyCams? Shot in the dark, but it has a patch relating to Masked so just a thought

[solemn ridge]

I do use OpenBodyCams

[dark talon]

yes

[remote iris]

i aint a bug haver

but i do use openbody cams

[lofty sorrel]

You never had the broken Masked?

[remote iris]

not that have i ever encountered

[lofty sorrel]

Man it mega sucks not being able to reproduce the issue

[solemn ridge]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was caused by something like MEO or HDLethalCompany

[lofty sorrel]

I just want someone to experience the bug more than once ;(

[solemn ridge]

I mean HDLethalCompany has compat issues with a moon mod

[remote iris]

i use the former but not the latter

[lofty sorrel]

Nobody's managed to recreate the issue at all though right?

[remote iris]

2-3 did

the first was thagnoth pretty sure

[solemn ridge]

maybe try adding HDLethalCompany and see if you get it

For the lulz

[remote iris]

i will try later

[solemn ridge]

I'm pushing towards it being a HDLC conflict now

After all it's been reporting to touch and effect some things in the game that it shouldn't

[lofty sorrel]

The issue of mismatching suits etc I was having does seem to be because of ModelReplacement, it's the only mod that has a patch for setting suits

So I don't seem to have reproduced the issues in my 3 player test

[solemn ridge]

Yeah you don't need ModelReplacementAPI

[lofty sorrel]

Do we know if all recreations of the issue were done in online multiplayer?

[solemn ridge]

For me yes

[lofty sorrel]

Which error message was to do with Atlas Abyss again? I remember there being two different sets of bugs

Oh I think I got it

Seems like Thagnoth replicated the Atlas Abyss issue specifically, not this current one

I think the last thing to do is to test in online multiplayer

[potent forge]

Since I wasn't able to get help elsewhere thought I'd ask here since this is a masked place. I recently ran a game with Mirage, Possessed Masks, and Diversity and someone bugged out horribly. After falling to a possessed mask they wound up dying and 2 masked enemies spawned from his corpse. That WOULD be the bug I'm interisted in, but in the following game they couldn't pick up or interact with anything. He couldn't open the BepInEx terminal without crashing so I'm kind of in the dark about what went wrong. I heard about something similar w/ Diversity & Possessed Masks, but... is this an incompatibility with Mirage or something else entirely?

[formal basin]

could this be because mirage tried to mimic a player with modelreplacementapi?

[grim sentinel]

I had that error when using Possessed Masks

[potent forge]

The double masked entity spawn, glitched interactions, or both?

[grim sentinel]

Both of them, for the inventory, recommended this mod to me, it helped me a lot
works with the P button

For the other error, I deactivated the Mirage option that makes a masked man appear when he dies.

but I ended up removing diversity from my mod list, it's very buggy

I know that the diversity mod is working on a 2.0 version, much better than the current one

[potent forge]

Thank u!

[lofty sorrel]

This is just an error TooManySuits produces on its own as far as I know

[deft cape]

wait after you removed it, it stopped mismatching?

[deft cape]

mirage doesnt do anything with model replacement, so any masked bug with it has to do with that mod itself

[lofty sorrel]

I didn't test again, but that's my guess, cause it's what generally happens with ModelReplacement anyway, I expected it to be fucky, and it's a different bug entirely to the no AI Masked

I just don't think my test really told us anything about it other than online multiplayer is (one of) our last hope(s)

[deft cape]

dont think ive heard anyone else report an issue with possessed masks (i doubt it's from diversity), but i'll keep this in mind if anyone else e
reports the issue

[lofty sorrel]

I'm tiring myself out tho I need to stop looking at this. Anyone hmu if multiplayer testing is being done

[deft cape]

could you leave your profile code

ill tryit with and without model replacement later

[deft cape]

yeah thanks for all the testing you've done ❤️

[lofty sorrel]

It's a slightly edited version of Lunxara, I made most edits in the steam folder, gimme a sec

018db386-d506-f2c0-5e1f-e66e621a7dd5

This should work fine? I replaced the config files and ac presets of the original profile Lunxara sent me so this should all work? I made an Advanced Company server preset, editing Lunxara's one, so when you create a new save file, make sure to select that preset. It sets the cost of Rend to 0, makes you fast with functionally infinite stamina, and lets only Masked spawn. Remember to change your cosmetics and suit before you land too just so you know when a Masked is copying you correctly and such etc etc

[deft cape]

sounds good, thanks again for all the help

[lofty sorrel]

Seriously considering getting a diagnosis for ADHD after this 🥲, I have no stakes in this and yet

[deft cape]

did you hyperfocus too hard 😭

[lofty sorrel]

I did, I am, and I will continue to

[deft cape]

can relate

but again thanks a ton for helping out, even though the issue isnt fully reproducible, your tests helps a lot with isolating which mod might be conflicting

the three mods that error that ill test later are:

• the emote mod
• the model replacement mod
• toomanysuits

those are the only ones i remember that were specificslly erroring that could be conflicting, so ill be testing these once i get home

[solemn ridge]

Here's my current mod list incase anything has been switched out btw @lofty sorrel

Since you modified the preset I figured you may wanna look through the list at least

XD

I did a few changes to lower the amount of mods so there could be some extras in the mod pack code

[deft cape]

lets not bother debby anymore on the issue 😭

[solemn ridge]

Yeah no dw lol

[deft cape]

can you drop the profile code as well just in case i need it later

[solemn ridge]

Yeah let me make a preset with the tweaks made and post it

[deft cape]

were you able to replicate the same issue as debby earlier? just curious

[solemn ridge]

Which issue?

[deft cape]

suits were mismatching, lemme look for debby's message with the errors

[deft cape]

this

[solemn ridge]

Oh idk, I removed it once you mentioned there were problems with it

[deft cape]

for whatever reason, AC and Mirage both show the same player being mimicked, but it seems like another mod might be overwriting the suit

[deft cape]

oh wait which

[solemn ridge]

Yeah was probably TooManySuits or ModelReplacementAPI

I removed ModelReplacementAPI

[deft cape]

so no suits were mismatching after you removed them? 👀

[solemn ridge]

I never had a mismatched suit issue to begin with but I was testing solo at the time

[deft cape]

ah

alright ill have to test with debby's profile code first then

[solemn ridge]

018db3a9-0243-4042-3897-5b3af788c9a0 Okay there you go

Use the troubleshooting preset

[deft cape]

sounds good tyty

[solemn ridge]

np

[lament mica]

@deft cape something I noticed was with sai cosmetics. It fails to load it's asset bundle. Probably because it's looking for an older morecompany version. Just thought it was worth a mention since I read that someone had a masked cosmetics issue?

[deft cape]

whats sai again? 👀

it could be related

[solemn ridge]

Natural Spawns seems to be working okay with AC

I got a mimic to spawn on Vow without issues

I killed it, then had a Thumper spawn right next to me and it zoomed through me without doing damage

Scary as fuck

XD

I also didn't know the Thumper can't do damage when it first spawns until now

[lament mica]

I believe it's this one being used.
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Sai/SaiCosmetics/

[timber notch]

can confirm that this mod works

[timber notch]

Real

[deft cape]

@solemn ridge is this mod part of your modpack? just double checking

@lament mica thanks for mentioning it, i'll try and test with/without it later

[solemn ridge]

No it's not

Also I noticed I couldn't get a Mimic to spawn on Vow after removing ModelReplacmentAPI until I set EnableNaturalSpawns to true btw

[deft cape]

yeah you're shpposed to have EnableNaturalSpawns set to true for things to spawn

[solemn ridge]

So something to take note of, I think ModelReplacementAPI overrides that setting which may be why it throws errors

[deft cape]

ah

if it does it'd make sense for a different error

but it'd be weird if the issue really comes from model replacement

[solemn ridge]

Coincidentally though

MEOFork also would spawn them if that setting wasn't on

I'm confused

XD

[deft cape]

yeah meofork just overrides mine probably, which shouldnt be an issue tbh

[soft hollow]

Hello

Whats going on here

[deft cape]

oh just figuring out cosmetic issues, but there were mentions of possessed masks so i thought i'd mention it in their thread

[solemn ridge]

Yeah so that means MEOFork and ModelReplacementAPI override your spawn settings

Why ModelReplacementAPI does it though I have no idea

[deft cape]

overriding spawn settings shouldnt be an issue unless it for some reason replaces the prefab, which seemed to be an issue for someone else

im trying to think about which issues are related are not

[solemn ridge]

I am thoroughly believing the possibility of spawn setting conflicts again

[deft cape]

i guess that cant be ruled out completely yet

ill just remove MEOF and whatnot as a test

but the real question is will i even reproduce the same error even with the same modpack

cuz yesterday i tried your profile code and i had no errors at all

[solemn ridge]

Yeah it's odd

[opaque crag]

hi whats the ubg with moreinteriors about?

[deft cape]

is that scoopy's or something different

cuz i dont recall the name

[remote iris]

Its a diff mod

[deft cape]

ah

[remote iris]

It adds the bunker

[deft cape]

dont think moreinteriors conflicts with mirage

[remote iris]

I play with it regularly

Dont see any conflicts

[timber notch]

@deft cape THE MOD HIT 50K DOWNLOADS!!!

[deft cape]

LETS GOOOO

[timber notch]

Congrats! You deserve it.

[twilit monolith]

@deft cape has there been any further reports of incompatibility with the ai fix?

[remote iris]

barch almost 15 hours

[remote iris]

YO IT HIT

[remote iris]

we need those rating higher too so the mod can appear higher

[solemn ridge]

Ai fix?

[twilit monolith]

The best thing since canned bread
https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206494982521753620

I wrote some code that automatically corrects an enemies flags on spawn, so if they spawn outside it checks them and makes sure they use outside navigation and can attack, and vice versa for inside

[deft cape]

mb ive responded on your thread, forgot to look back earlier

[deft cape]

yeeep 🙏

[lament mica]

Can this pair with pathfindingfix or this a replacement/ alternative?

[buoyant skiff]

They're unrelated.

[twilit monolith]

I don't know how pathfindingfix works, but I don't think it would conflict. PFF addresses lag right?

If the lag is based upon enemies not being able to navigate properly, then my fix should already address that

[buoyant skiff]

It modifies AI.

[solemn ridge]

How much does it improve vanilla gameplay? Tempted to try it now lol

[buoyant skiff]

Try out what?

[solemn ridge]

the Ai Fix

[buoyant skiff]

Starlancer AI Fix?

[solemn ridge]

Yeah

[buoyant skiff]

Not much because in vanilla inside enemies can't go or spawn outside.

With exception of Ghost Girl and Masked.

[solemn ridge]

Fair

[twilit monolith]

Correct, and my test with a prefab outside masked showed my code not activating, so I think it already has a built-in check that runs before my code does

Its primary use is for people to add inside enemies to outside spawn lists (or vice versa) and have them work appropriately. Or for LLL moon makers to place inside enemy prefabs outdoors

[soft hollow]

I was here since like <5k

💜

Glad the mod is doing so great

[lofty sorrel]

Pretty sure I got it at just over 2000?

[timber notch]

I don’t remember when I showed up

[deft cape]

so just to summarize what was being talked about earlier (when starlight ai fix was mentioned), it seemed like there's issues when masked enemies were spawning on the outside for some reason

i mentioned starlight ai fix as a potential fix, but now that i think about it, masked enemies work on the outside/inside in vanilla, so it can't be that.
sorry for getting you concerned again though, i couldn't reply earlier since i had to put down my phone, but yeah the issue still likely has to do with mirage and a different mod

[deft cape]

for some reason i swear i remember your name from way before, but maybe it's just that you talk a lot

[deft cape]

you and mi6k are ogs 😳

[timber notch]

I’ve been here for a while now

[twilit monolith]

Gotcha. As long as the problem doesn't occur specifically when the ai fix is activated, that's good enough for me 🤭
(also ✨Starlancer✨ 😋 )

[lofty sorrel]

I like deception based mods what can I say

[timber notch]

I think 1.0.7 or 1.0.8

[lofty sorrel]

I know I at least followed the post here as soon as it went up, it's hard to know exactly when I installed it first

[deft cape]

yep i'll ping you if it ever does come from starlancer, but it's almost definitely not. if you see a mention of starlight in mirage, no need to get worried, it's probably not about a conflict anymore 😛

[deft cape]

think that's like a week after release right? i mean that's technically still pretty og

mirage hasn't existed for that long yet

[lofty sorrel]

3 weeks

[deft cape]

same i actually only bought lethal company cuz i saw videos of skinwalkers

just was kinda sad that none of the voices were synced

[timber notch]

.

[deft cape]

oh hey i remember that msg

LOL

[timber notch]

pffft

[deft cape]

gonna start testing out the modpacks from earlier in like an hour or two

hopefully i can reproduce it this time 😬

[timber notch]

Just did the math and I’ve been here since ~14,537

[lofty sorrel]

Skinwalkers originally reminded me of the bear from Annihilation, but sort of just became a joke mod rather than a deception mod cause you'd know if a voice was real if your friends were nearby

[soft hollow]

Nice

[timber notch]

Bc 1.0.8 released like 10-15 mins after my first message

No less than 10

[deft cape]

i wonder what the original issue you were having was, cuz i doubt it's any of the two things i fixed in that patch

[deft cape]

yeah, sadly mirage still has the issue of being able to tell if it's a fake or not just bcuz it's random clips

unless your friends decide to troll, it's still super easy to tell

so that's something i'm trying to address in the future

oh shit we're at 51.1k now 👀

i guess word is spreading

[timber notch]

Yeah it’ll raised fast now

Especially since it’s being added to TheMostLethaCompany

You’ll have a huge boost when that update comes

[lofty sorrel]

I mean that's just what I'd assume it could do without some next level voice recognition and learning model shit, which I wouldn't normally expect from a mod

[deft cape]

random clips is the simplest for sure

[soft hollow]

I was one of the advocates

[timber notch]

Yeah I remember

[deft cape]

oh shitttt

[deft cape]

ily ❤️

[timber notch]

I’ve been ever since I tried it

[soft hollow]

💜 I support good mods, simple as that

[deft cape]

damn that modpack has hella downloads

[soft hollow]

Me when.

[timber notch]

Yeah it’s like the third biggest?

[soft hollow]

It's the #1 Modpack for Lethal, I learned a lot from it

[lofty sorrel]

Straight up, add a boing sound effect and this is gold

[deft cape]

jeeeeeeeeez

[timber notch]

The first is Explorations, then TooManyCosmetics, and TMLC

[soft hollow]

Those first 2 I dont consider as like full modpacks

but yea

[timber notch]

Yeah I wouldn’t either

[deft cape]

tf how did it instantly come out without winding up

[soft hollow]

Thats the fucked part

We got no windup

[lofty sorrel]

[REDACTED]

[soft hollow]

cooking

[lofty sorrel]

[REDACTED]

[timber notch]

I’ve never actually seen one leave a vent before

[lofty sorrel]

Oh I meant when they jump, but that also works

[lofty sorrel]

YES THANK YOU

[soft hollow]

OH COME ON I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF MAKING BOTH OF THESE

[twilit monolith]

At the start of each round, everyone just say "Dude, it's me" "I'm real!!!" "Boooo~!"

[lofty sorrel]

Thought it best to just avoid even risking an instigation, even if it is clearly in good fun

[deft cape]

that's what my friend and i have been doing LMAOO but when we hear those voices, we j ust assume it's a fake now 😭

[halcyon stratus]

I've always felt like one method would be to convert speech to text then look for various phrases that could be used that would sound better out of context. I don't know the feasibility of that and it would absolutely be a pain in the ass but it sounds cool in theory

[lofty sorrel]

That does sound like an avenue that could work yeah

There's plenty of ways to do it, they're all just a lot of work

[lofty sorrel]

I keep watching this on repeat and giggle every time

It's not fair

Why boing make funny

[deft cape]

i think we could probably remove the compatibility list pin right

almost all of it isn't valid anymore since the fixes

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah only thing really relevant anymore is reminding people to turn on compatibility in MEOF, but that can be dealt with casebycase

[soft hollow]

yea

[deft cape]

@unborn jasper sorry for the ping, could you remove the pinned message about mod compatibility? most of the info there is no longer relavant

[potent hatch]

hope a setting to completely disable playing the local player's voice (dead or not) is added

[deft cape]

like even while you're spectating?

@timber notch i should probably mention about the recent issues in TheMostLethalCompany server's mirage thread right

regarding potential issues with whatever it is that we're even testing

well i guess if im gonna do it, i'll write about it after i test debby and lunxara's profile codes first

just to see if i can isolate the issue a bit more first

[unborn jasper]

Done

[deft cape]

thanks!

[solemn ridge]

So btw I noticed something funny, ever since I removed MEO entirely I notice mimics seem to emote almost everytime they see me now

Lol

I almost wonder if there was a compat issue with MEO and TooManyEmotes that lowered the possibility of it or if it's just amazing rng

[halcyon stratus]

The disrespect I felt when one killed me and immediately emoted on my corpse

[solemn ridge]

LOL wait really?

That's amazing

[trim anchor]

Naw thats a real human

LOL

[halcyon stratus]

The worst part is that that was the first time I'd ever seen them emote too 😭

[potent hatch]

yeah

[solemn ridge]

I mean I remember I had one kill a teammate of mine once, then it laughed lol

I didn't even know they could do that

[lofty sorrel]

Just wait till they can twerk

[halcyon stratus]

why

[deft cape]

sure i'll add it in the next update, waiting till i figure out some bugs first

[deft cape]

i wonder what MEO would do to change toomanyemote's interactions 🤔

[solemn ridge]

No idea lmfao I think it's just been rng but who knows XD

[dark brook]

I'm certain that either MEO or TME has a config that affects that

but I don't remember which mod is it

like frequency/available emotes/emote on first meeting and maybe something else

[deft cape]

ah so so it's just cuz it's configurable

[dark talon]

oh that's easy. just check your cache folder 😉

[lofty sorrel]

1.0.8 is when I first installed, I think that probably fixed a bug that was a dealbreaker for me?

Nope, probably 1.0.6 is when I decided to download and just didn't get round to it till 1.0.8

[thorn geode]

@deft cape I saw a report somewhere in this server about an issue when you pull the lever, desync related? was that resolved

[timber notch]

My friends and I spend like a solid minute saying “I am not a skinwalker.”

[timber notch]

Isn’t a bad idea

[deft cape]

you mean this? #1207830277544742953 message
i'm still investing the issue. has there been reports for LLL that's related?

[deft cape]

aight i'll mention about the bugs in that thread later after i've investigated a bit more

[thorn geode]

nahh was just curious because i'm used to stepping in that ballpark

[deft cape]

ah bet, thought it might've been related to LLL for a sec

@lofty sorrel earlier while you were testing, did the suits mismatch with no errors at all? just double checking, cuz i'm running your profile code and there's no errors at all

im getting errors finally

now i just need to figure out which mod is the conflict

[timber notch]

What are you working on rn?

Still the masked vent issue?

[deft cape]

nope i don't think that's reliable enough to replicate

just checking out lunxara's profile, which i think debby slightly modified

i think the issue is that some of the masked enemies aren't mimicking the right suit (despite AC and mirage both saying it's mimicking the same thing)

also seems to be a bug with me getting stuck after getting killed by a masked enemy with this modpack

[timber notch]

Huh, odd.

[deft cape]

ok i can't even replicate the issue that debby was having

the errors i'm getting look unrelated to mirage and doesn't seem to affect masked enemies

so i'm still unable to replicate any of the issues some of u are having

[timber notch]

Software development in a nutshell

[lofty sorrel]

Honestly don't worry about the errors I ran into there, I posted everything for conciseness but I'm pretty certain the errors aren't to do with Mirage at all, Mirage just happens to suffer when the errors occur. Only issue I'd really worry about is the vent Masked, but not until it's at least replicable. I think if there's a way to get people together to test an affected modpack multiplayer instead of LAN that's probably the last ditch effort I'd make to diagnose the issue, but other than that there's no use bashing your head against the wall in hopes it'll grow more bricks

[deft cape]

ah gotcha

yeah at this point testing these modpacks aren't leading me anywhere

[lofty sorrel]

Dmitry managed to get the error on singleplayer, I might look at that some time tomorrow, cause my theory was it was some kind of network related desync, but if he's managing to replicate in singleplayer that would be a life saver

Sleeping now though, and going to a cat cafe tomorrow, so won't be around to do anything till much later, probably for the best

[timber notch]

Oooh fun

And yeah at this point I’d stop looking into it for the time being.

afaik we don’t even know for sure if it’s a mirage issue yet

[deft cape]

have fun, don't worry about tests anymore though, i don't want you to feel burnt out again

[deft cape]

ah it's starting to look like it's not from mirage. besides, people ahve been playing on the latest version for awhile, but the bug reports only started coming a bit after

[deft cape]

just tried dimitry's modpack and there's no issues either 😬

[silent sleet]

for some reason its still spawning masked on death despite me setting it to vanilla spawns

[deft cape]

just confirming, SpawnOnPlayerDeath is set to 0?

[silent sleet]

nah it was on default numbers i think

does setting the spawns to vanilla make disable player death masked or nah

[timber notch]

i forgot what my cosmetic were omg

wasnot expecting to see that

killed them tho

after they taunted me in my own voice smh

[deft cape]

nope those are separate things, if you want SpawnOnPlayerDeath to be completely disabled you need to set it to 0

[silent sleet]

👍

[dark brook]

Lunxara doesn't have ai fix

So you're getting stuck

[deft cape]

oh nah wasn't even a bug

i just forgot i had invulnerability on

[dark brook]

ah

[deft cape]

when i turned it off it stopped getting stuck

[dark brook]

I tried running lunxara the other day

[deft cape]

also just gonna do a tiny update today, fixing a small bug that i don't think anyone has even run into yet (that i found at least)

[dark brook]

and a modpack made solely of the mods that appeared everywhere

didn't get anything

[deft cape]

as well as allowing people to always mute the local player's mimicking voices if they don't want to listen to their own voice (configurable per-client)

[deft cape]

ah

i tried running a bunch of those profiles as well

i just can't seem to reproduce the issues so

at this rate i don't think it's productive if anyone continues looking into it anymore

also maybe my new update will help make it to debug the issue if it does come up again

[dark brook]

yeah I agree, it's nigh impossible to catch

[deft cape]

Tiny update for today (v1.0.14):

• Fixed a bug where some enemies types didn't mimic voices
• Add configuration option to always mute the mimicking voice of a local player
  • Set AlwaysMuteLocalPlayer to true to never hear your voice at all (even while dead)
  • This ignores the MuteLocalPlayerVoice value if enabled
  • This value is not synced to all clients, as it's an optional feature for those who don't want to hear their own voice

I'd like to clarify, the bug fix in this update is unrelated to what was being tested for the past few days.
Either way, huge thanks to B1adeWo1f, TheDebbyCase, Lunxara, Gorenebeda, and Thagnoth for the countless hours they've spent trying to help find a way to reproduce errors for me to investigate, as well as anyone who helped provide information regarding bugs (whether it's a bug report or whatever else).
Shoutout to Bongo as well for sharing their script, making it easier to try to pinpoint issues with said modpacks

[timber notch]

Update Pog

[deft cape]

just a tiny update sadly. i do wonder if the bug fix i did relates to what was being debugged for the past few days, but i kinda doubt it at the same time

also pinging @potent hatch since you requested that config option

[rain mountain]

dunno if anyone has reported it before but i was walking around outside alone and heard some of my own voice lines, even though there was no masked on the map

[deft cape]

on v1.0.13?

you don't have any other enemies enabled for voice mimicking right? just making sure @rain mountain

[timber notch]

Maybe you were less alone than you thought

https://tenor.com/view/1000-quota-stare-lethal-company-1000-yard-stare-gif-8412969833343799422

[rain mountain]

nope, all disabled

[deft cape]

and it's on v1.0.13?

it's indeed the first time i've heard of this

do you happen to have any logs

[rain mountain]

yes

[deft cape]

got any logs?

[rain mountain]

nothing of note in logs

[deft cape]

can you send it anyways

it should show what enemy is mimicking who

[dark brook]

hmmm

maybe as a crutch a function that would just delete the masked that can't mimic anyone be implemented?

I've heard of a snare flea optimizing mod that sometimes just kills them

[deft cape]

that already shouldnt be an issue though

e.g. if a masked enemy spawns from player death by falling into a pit, theres a patch that i made that should ignore pathfinding attempts

so there shouldnt be errors, andvoice mimicking is also disabled in those cases

[dark brook]

ye but we still got the broken masked

[deft cape]

oh wait you meant as a bandaid fix whoops

well the problem is my code should always be running anyways

so unless something is removing the mimicking player, theres something preventing my code from even running

[dark brook]

ohhhhh

[deft cape]

possibly some sort of error that happens before my code even gets called

[dark brook]

well that's harsh

[deft cape]

yea still not sure what the issue is but oh well

also while there shouldnt be any issues with the new update, if something does somehow break, just downgrade to the previous version temporarily

will be busy tmrw so if it does end up being a broken patch i wont be able to fix it, but i highly doubt therell be new issues anyways

[remote iris]

hey barch that vc from yesterday is still going

i did leave

but some people stayed lol

[deft cape]

jesus ur group is active asf

24hr vc

[remote iris]

its been running for 26 hours

so i was in the vc alone for 6-7 hours plus my friend's 19 hours equals to like 25-26 hours

[rain mountain]

i think i might have some sort of logging turned off, because my logs don't say anything like that

okay wait i do see some logs from your mod

but not from when i heard the voice

it was my voice btw, probably should've mentioned that. which is how i knew it wasn't a real person

here's the log anyway though

[dark talon]

That was not the case for my mimic after I walked into the water on foggy march. My friend was hearing my mimic inside the dungeon the entire time (ig the water pit is close to the dungeon on the actual map as it's quite deep)

[remote iris]

@deft cape it seems i now know the cause

of this ig

[amber swallow]

🤓🤓

[remote iris]

dawg atleast i aint insane to stay in a call for 20 hours

[lofty sorrel]

ELABORATE

[remote iris]

so look my friend got killed by a mimic he got stuck on the turning process and became a mimic that has no ai wearing a mask and the suit worked tho

it happened twice

[lofty sorrel]

Interesting, something about the navmesh maybe

[lofty sorrel]

Where did they get turned? Like what were they standing on etc

[remote iris]

ship

both were on ship

[remote iris]

new creature dropped

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Bob123/Haunted_Harpist/

[lilac saffron]

game getting better by the day

[sharp torrent]

My game log gets spammed with this and doesn't stop EVER. It makes my PC lag so badly

This pops up every gametick

[lofty sorrel]

When does it begin? Randomly in a round, or as soon as you begin a round?

[sharp torrent]

randomly in a round

[lofty sorrel]

In multiplayer or solo?

[sharp torrent]

only in multiplayer

in solo it doesn't happen

[lofty sorrel]

Okay good to know, we've been trying to figure out this issue for a few days now

Good to know it only happens in multiplayer

Out of interest how many other players are there?

[sharp torrent]

Me and a friend

noone else

here are some of the setting I have

[lofty sorrel]

Okay great, could you send a profile code? And let me know what planet you're landing on, any settings you have etc just so I can figure out how to replicate your situation

[sharp torrent]

this has happen to me only when I land on modded planets (LLL)

I think

actually scratch that

we always land on a modded moon first

so i wouldn't know

[lofty sorrel]

Alright cool, profile code? And if you wouldn't mind, a modlist, just cause I'm not home rn and can't check the code

[sharp torrent]

also i dont think that my modpack is the best example for this but fine here it is:
018db73d-f288-a0e0-bab7-afecef825d93

[lofty sorrel]

Well you're the first person to have the issue that has said they get it every time, which is honestly a bug fixing dream

[sharp torrent]

also right now the modpack lag's ALOT

i'll send a new code rightaway

[lofty sorrel]

That's fine, it just needs to function enough to get the bug and figure out why it happens

[sharp torrent]

btw I have 121 mods installed because i like causing mental pain on myself

[lofty sorrel]

Not many more than my modpack it's all good

[remote iris]

i have 176 😭

[lofty sorrel]

@deft cape This could be big, happens every time apparently, and only occurs in multiplayer

@sharp torrent Is there a specific modded moon you always start with, or just any?

And are they all LLL, or do you have any LECore?

[sharp torrent]

just any

I also once saw a masked enemy that didnt have any cosmetics didnt move nor interract with anything my friend didnt see it and I was the only one having the error

it just stood at the vent

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah that's what the error spam causes

[sharp torrent]

it seems to be a host problem then

[lofty sorrel]

Did the other players see any Masked?

Or were you the only one to see Masked at all

Oh and if your friend has a log still that might be helpful, as well as your log. If not that's alright

[sharp torrent]

yep they did see them but only the ones that spawned from me dying

well there where only 2 of us

[lofty sorrel]

And the one that spawned from you worked fine?

[sharp torrent]

yep

[lofty sorrel]

Okay cool, I think that's all the questions I have. If you are able to, a modslist and both player logs might be helpful, but not necessary

[sharp torrent]

ou my computer did this 2 once after I made the lobby again in the same game session

might not have been mirages fault tho

[remote iris]

how did come to the point of blue screening 💀

[sharp torrent]

i have a beefy computer as well so I have no clue

[lofty sorrel]

Huh, interesting

[sharp torrent]

ok this has a high chace of not being your mods fault and actually being because I was too hasty in making a new lobby and I had to many tabs open in the background

just wanted to show yall

[lofty sorrel]

I think that error id something to do with high disk or SSD use, so which the error is probably not helping with, and loading a save probably has an impact on that. Not the mod's fault per say, just a compounding issue

Or outdated drivers, but tbh I've never once had a driver actually need to be updated

[remote iris]

the call has been running for 30 hours now

or vc

[solemn ridge]

Well I rent to Rend and had a Mimic of me walking around just fine

Granted I was solo in Online mode

[solemn ridge]

I will say everytime we had a stuck mimic they wouldn't be mimicing me

But one of my friends

So I'll have to see if things still don't glitch later with my group on Rend

XD

[remote iris]

for some reason i love scavenging for mods lol and i found this

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/zealsprince/Locker/

[pulsar lotus]

what does it do, you tried it ?

[remote iris]

it has a behavior section in the description

i just found it so no i didn't try it

oh wait

[pulsar lotus]

ok

[remote iris]

i just read

the description and it doesn't really state anything

ill test

[pulsar lotus]

i read it too but wanted some insight

[remote iris]

im gonna test it rn

[timber notch]

It’s not functional atm

It’s a placeholder

There might be a really early model revealed later today

[remote iris]

yeah i noticed

this will be funny to play with

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/agmas/HandicappedCompany/

[copper ridge]

Does this mod work with More Suits + Model Replacement API?

[potent hatch]

epic

[lofty sorrel]

MoreSuits yes, as for ModelReplacement I imagine not. It uses MoreCompany or AdvancedCompany's existing cosmetics systems so if they support Masked using it, this will too

[lofty sorrel]

Is this mod from the angle of comedy or inclusivity? (Not stating either is wrong just curious what it is)

[remote iris]

comedy its like a challenge maybe

[lofty sorrel]

Oh I see, like giving the player "debuffs", if that's what you can call lower body paralysis lmao

[remote iris]

lol well it gives many disabilities like deafness or being blind or mute

[lofty sorrel]

Ooh wait I don't remember what the game would be called, but there's a multiplayer challenge in some games where each player has one of those challenges, I've seen one small video on it with Lethal Company but would this be able yo achieve that?

[oblique galleon]

employee assignments?

i loved that mod but it stopped getting updates, its not broken but its not exactly properly working

[remote iris]

yes

[remote iris]

huntdown will work similar just not the scrap retrival thing

also side quests is a thing

dont know how it worksr eally

[lofty sorrel]

I use Lethal Missions but I have never once actually aimed to complete a mission, they just sort of happen

[dark brook]

i like lethal missions

having credits mid quota is cool

never even check which ones i get tho lmao

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah I think Lethal Missions with a better UI would be ideal

[lofty sorrel]

Ooh I like a lot of these

[dark brook]

i kinda dont like employee's assignments' ui, it stands out too much for me

[lofty sorrel]

I just want it to tell me what my missions are at the start of a round without me having to open a menu I don't even know the button for

And even maybe a button to bring up the missions on the fly, like the map button in a lot of games

[lofty sorrel]

What are the config options like for this?

[lofty sorrel]

Ah okay cool. I assume by "spawn" they mean it's applied to a player

[remote iris]

yes

[dark brook]

oh its just a terminal command

never had problems with that, and im kinda fine with not having anything on ui

its just something that runs in the background for me

[willow lily]

The dev stated that it’s empty right now. It was originally an accidental upload

[deft cape]

damn wont be home today but ill take a look when i gwt back. that kind of behaviour is really odd so idk what could cause it yet

[lament mica]

A driver is causing the crash
Update your drivers
Might even have to use ddu if it's slightly corrupt.

[deft cape]

oh shit... does this only happen with MaskAIRevamp though i wonder

[deft cape]

wow debby you were onto it

[deft cape]

in that case it's probably the moon, the checks for making it not update and whatnot is still passing, but it should work in vanilla areas at least

[remote iris]

@deft cape we reached 32 hour vc

[deft cape]

🤔

[vocal garnet]

No. I had it without MaskedAIRevamp.
MaskedAIRevamp has console errors by it's own

[lofty sorrel]

I think the MaskedAIRevamp spam is just there for the same reasons, correlation not causation

[deft cape]

ah true

[lofty sequoia]

hihi

wondering

does playerbracken work with mirage?

[lofty sorrel]

How do you mean? Like will the Bracken have a Mirage voice?

[lofty sequoia]

playerbracken is set with a dependency on skinwalkers

thats why im asking lol

[rain mountain]

you can just disable it

[lofty sorrel]

I assume it would work with Mirage yeah, you can remove Skinwalkers and add Mirage

[lofty sequoia]

got it ty

[bitter harness]

I got the masked bug again

they don't move, interact, or can be killed even

what changed is that this time I'm not using meo at all

mirage only + advanced company

masked spawns were tweaked in AC to the same of bracken on all maps

[bitter harness]

this is happening on mirage

I mean march... jeez

[dark talon]

can you provide the entire player.log?

[bitter harness]

of course!

[vocal garnet]

I got this along with this bug https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1207830277544742953

[vocal garnet]

I tested on the Experimental

[bitter harness]

Funnily enough, monsters also entered the ship and slaughtered everyone this round, even though the doors were closed in advance

So that totally could be related

seems to check out

[bitter harness]

sorry, where do I find this exactly?

[vocal garnet]

Yeah, you also can hear them outside of the ship on the orbit 😄

[bitter harness]

and does it only generate after closing the lobby?

[vocal garnet]

Do you have any mods besides it?

[lofty sorrel]

In the BepInEx folder of the profile you played on, that is if you haven't closed and reopened the game

[dark talon]

press WIN+R, paste this %LOCALAPPDATA%\..\LocalLow\ZeekerssRBLX\Lethal Company\ and there you find Player.log

[bitter harness]

62mb?

that's huge

[bitter harness]

yea, quite a few

here were my mods

[lofty sorrel]

It's usually max a few MB but when there's Error spams it can get out of hand

[bitter harness]

ah okay, that makes sense

[lofty sorrel]

Someone sent one that was 300MB yesterday lmao

[bitter harness]

lmao

@dark talon thank you for the help btw

[twilit monolith]

I went to go look at your github to see if maybe I could glean anything about the issues that keep popping up, then realized it was all in F# 🤭

[lofty sorrel]

This seems to have more info than the other ones

Upon the Masked spawning from a vent, this error occurs

Am I misunderstanding or is it trying to grab player information from a body that doesn't exist?

[solemn ridge]

Just to add to this, PathfingLagFix only touches the Snare Flea, Bracken, and Spore Lizard

[deft cape]

heh yeah it reads a bit different

[deft cape]

oh right that wad mentioned before

well either way i wont be able to look at any errors till like monday probably

[remote iris]

Vc been on for 36 hours

37*

[opaque crag]

same. sometimes happening

is it known bug?

lately I have been having masked have mask on (it was disabled)

they spawn too often I think, they spawn in company building etc

[opaque crag]

Yeah they literally spawn outside since beginning. why

[deft cape]

spawning in the company building cant be from mirage for sure, unless it's spawn on player death

[deft cape]

yall crazy

[soft hollow]

hello

whats goin on

[fading sapphire]

Hey @deft cape I think I ran into a weird bug, my friend died to a bracken and SpawnOnPlayerDeath triggered and I was watching him as a masked, beat the masked up anyways. Next day he's in the facility and i'm trying to TP him out but it's not sending him, swap target a couple times, still not teleporting him and now he has a snare flea on his head, TP myself and it works then once he died I was able to teleport his body.

Not sure if the Masked conversion from the previous day messed things up or not 🤔

[lofty sorrel]

Speaking of Mirage bugs, is anyone around to give a modpack a test to reproduce the issue? Seems to only occur in multiplayer online games so it's the only way to test really

Running TinyDerp's right now just because they said it was happening every time, so might be easier to test. Could try other modpacks as well if it's in multiplayer, hopefully then we'll finally be able to reproduce
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Though actually this isn't using AC, which will make setting spawnrates of Masked a little more difficult

Yeah I'm actually not gonna use that one purely for the lack of AC so I can set up a good testing save

I'm gonna use the slightly modified one I made using Lunxara's

[solemn ridge]

I will say my profile is gonna need an update here whenever the updates for LethalResonance and loaforcsSoundAPI get pushed in r2

[lofty sorrel]

That's fine, the profile code I have will always be using the same files and versions regardless of what updates you make to your own modpack

This is the profile code I'm using if anyone wants to test multiplayer

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Oh fuck hold on, I have it set to auto run LAN

Alright I have it all set up, anyone just @ me if you're around for multiplayer testing. If I'm not on and someone wants to host it, just make sure to select Lunxara's Settings as the Advanced Company preset

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(No need for voice chat btw so dw about that, I won't be vcing either way)

Fuckshit forgot to remove ModelReplacementAPI

Last one I promise

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[deft cape]

is this only happening after the latest update?

also is anyone else having this issue?

[deft cape]

the goat

[lunar quest]

is anybody else having just random masked models appear that don’t move at all and just look one direction wearing a mask

[solemn ridge]

Known issue that's been trying to get fixed

[lunar quest]

okay my bad I didn’t know

[deft cape]

still not even sure if it's from mirage, we're still trying to figure out how to reproduce the issue

[lunar quest]

could be MEO fork?

[solemn ridge]

Btw do any of Mirage's dependencies touch GameNetworkManager.Start at all?

I just wanna make sure, I don't think they do but who knows

[plucky aspen]

I think theres a mod that addresses this issue

[lunar quest]

oh, have not seen that

[solemn ridge]

I removed MEOFork in favor of having AC control their spawns instead

[lunar quest]

Going to do this as well, probably better

[solemn ridge]

Wait really? or are you trolling?

[solemn ridge]

Yeah I just set them to have the same spawn rate as the Bracken or Flowerman as it's called in AC's settings

[plucky aspen]

why wou... F*** it hold on

bap

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Coppertiel/MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork/

[solemn ridge]

That mod doesn't fix this specific issue

[deft cape]

i think thats where i register my network prefabs, dont remember and im too tired to check my github rn

[plucky aspen]

then it was a joke🤷🏻‍♂️

[solemn ridge]

Hey you tried

Lol

[deft cape]

yeah the issue mentioned is starting to get reported quite a bit, but there still hasnt been a definitive way to reproduce the error

[solemn ridge]

Yeah I was gonna say, cus I've had a few random bugs recently where I couldn't leave my own lobby once, and the other day someone tried to join as we were landing and it caused the whole game to lock up which I never had that happen before, and Bongo said mods patching that can cause those sorts of issues when an Exception is thrown

[deft cape]

is there an exception from mirage during that phase?

[solemn ridge]

Idk both times I sadly had the console not enabled

and I wished I did

LOL

I can only guess it would be Mirage though if that's the only mod I use that touches it

[deft cape]

idk it's unlikely, the stuff that can be null is already checked

id be really surprised if it actually is

[solemn ridge]

Yeah my guess is it was QualityCompany cus the Networking feature was enabled

I disabled it

before that probably shitty LCSoundTool and CustomSounds

Lol

[lament mica]

I wish I could use customsounds but it needing gameobject set to true is not worth the issues that come from that.

[small glacier]

I was about to be like "Nooooo! LethalResonance" but then I just checked and dependency removed B)
Thank the heavens

[plucky aspen]

a few hours ago we abandoned Customsounds and LCsoundtools

[lament mica]

Best news I've heard ty

[rain mountain]

what issues? had that set to true for literally the entire time i've been playing this game modded and it hasn't done anything but fix issues

[plucky aspen]

but we are in the middle of transition to a new dependency that is still new so give it a second if you want a flawless experience

[solemn ridge]

Thanks for reminding me to set HideManagerGameObject back to false

[small glacier]

There is no rushing perfection

[solemn ridge]

a mod even forcing that to true is all but sus

[plucky aspen]

at least it doesnt delete system 32

[solemn ridge]

Since it causes a ton of issues being set to true

[plucky aspen]

oh yeah Huh I guess LR just got a whole lot more compatible

[solemn ridge]

It even recommends not to enable it

And CustomSounds forced it on

Dumb as fuck

[lament mica]

Too much to explain
Just know it causes issues that may not even be noticed. And not all the time.

[rain mountain]

that answer does not inspire confidence. it's never given me any issues personally and the only thing i see from people in this server is "don't turn it on it causes issues" but never actually explaining what those issues are. from what i know it is generally safe to just leave enabled and CustomSounds forces it on because it requires that to function

[lament mica]

If it works for you that's fine.

[solemn ridge]

I had some weird issues after the addition of CustomSounds to my load order recently tbh, that all but explains why

[lament mica]

Yeah it broke huntdown at one point

[solemn ridge]

Keep settings that aren't meant to be turned on off

[rain mountain]

it shouldn't be causing any issues unless you're using old or badly made plugins. the description for the setting says so

[lament mica]

Needing it on is a sign of exactly this

Most plugins updated to not needing it enabled

[rain mountain]

it shouldn't break either way, but some mods and even entire games need it on for bepinex to function properly

[plucky aspen]

do you code? (Just curious)

[rain mountain]

nope

[plucky aspen]

nvm carry on

[lament mica]

I mean LLL broke by it as well at one point.

I keep going but I think we would get nowhere

[rain mountain]

this is why it's disabled by default. it occasionally breaks things when devs don't account for it but is also occasionally needed. this is why some mods, e.g. CustomSounds, will force it on by default

[worthy helm]

Idk whats happening but I'm still getting the same enemy_update issue. No MEO/MEOFork.

Just using Mirage with my modpack:

• Natural Spawns (Using AC to applie 20 weight to all moons)
• No spawn from death/alone 0

Takethatmaskoff was a shit show. Mask would drop but to clients they could see them emoting and not dead lol. Unfortunately I had to takethatmodoff for now.

[deft cape]

wait whats the issue ur having again? i cant find your previous message since theres so many msgs here

[worthy helm]

enemyupdate spam, seeing a masked figure

[deft cape]

ah thanks for the log, will take a look when im able to

[solemn ridge]

TakeThatMaskOff has bugs only if you don't disable this

Make sure Masked Return Bodies is off

[worthy helm]

i did, clients still saw bodys emoting lol. Might be something in my modpack issue. Was using the MEO for a long time as well.

skinwalkers was bugging, wanted to try mirage and here we are.

I don't use lethalconfig tho, so that screen caught me off guard

[solemn ridge]

lol

[worthy helm]

yeah, because I'm used to how modpack cfgs work, i just do them from a notepad ++ and add it the modpack. Updated all the time.

I no longer have them spawning from death tho. That was real buggy.

[deft cape]

wait so who's having an issue with audio? i've been reading about players not hearing certain sound in the game, and think it's from mirage

i dont see how this could come from mirage but if anyone has the issue, please lmk how to reproduce the issue

[timber notch]

Might not be a bad idea to try and keep track of who’s having what issues and their codes and stuff in a spreadsheet or something

[deft cape]

yeah ill just start keeping all the profile codes in a github issue

[shrewd mirage]

I was partially missing step/interaction sounds. The "afk" models of mimics appeared. Even the interior asynchrony. Unfortunately, I don't write logs. But if it helps, I can write the build code.

[remote iris]

it ended barch

[fading sapphire]

I'm really not sure, first time properly using the death conversion option, I'll be sure to gather more information on it but wanted to spread awareness first

[fading sapphire]

Heads up, for months I have had mods that used LCSoundTools on and off I've tried that mod and every time it causes soo many noticeable audio issues in the game, stay clear of it altogether

And while I'm here @deft cape, what is the range of the voicelines from Masked? I've had two instances where I've heard them way before they were even close to me, one time on MoreInteriors and another on the Auralis moon 🤔

Like I'm talking a very far way away, like easily 30-40 something meters

[wicked folio]

^ same

with the audio range

[opaque crag]

It happened when I was in ship, mask mob killed me.
And then I was bugged inside the ship (in clothes, as mask) but the weird thing is I had the mask on - even though we had it disabled. No idea what could it be besides Mirage that we have the mask on after death

Maybe the spawn in company building wasn't from it but I think the mask (on the head) is, don't see why another mod should do it tbh but I have no idea.

Also when he transfered to company building other mobs were transfered too, weird stuff but probably not Mirage. We flew to the other moon and they were waiting at us at the start lol

[upbeat compass]

yeah tahts the whole reason i made the new api :3 (and because it gives soundpack creators way more options already)

[fading sapphire]

Ohh? 👀 That's exciting, I really loved what LCSoundTool did but the execution was a little rough, is this a separate dependancy like with that happened between LE and LLL or are you the dev of LCSoundTool "no00ob"? Bit confused but would like pointed to this API as I have some plans to send the insanity sounds to hell 😍

[upbeat compass]

no im not the creator of lcsoundtool although i did try and help out with the issues, https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1208370988715221052 is the main thread for the new api and this is a simple tutorial https://github.com/LoafOrc/loaforcsSoundAPI/wiki/Making-a-simple-Sound‐Pack

[fading sapphire]

Thank you very much Bongo! :D I'll also check out resonance, as I used an ambience pack before for a bit of a more spooky feel, hoping more people jump ship from lcsoundtool soon

[lilac saffron]

do naturally spawned masked only mimic the host?

i just had a game where every naturally spawned masked was mimicking my voice

[rain mountain]

@deft cape had the issue where i was hearing my own voice again, despite the absence of masked. i think it might be specific to offense? that is the only map i've ever heard it on

[deft cape]

ill keep that in mind when i test

[remote iris]

@deft cape

[deft cape]

ill have to ping you on that once im home later

[deft cape]

nope it's random, has that been happening a lot?

[remote iris]

that was epic

[deft cape]

longest vc ever

[lofty sorrel]

Is anyone around to test multiplayer rn? I have an idea of something I want to try but again it's impossible to test the bug without multiple real people

[dark brook]

sure add me

[lofty sorrel]

Only error we found testing Lunxara's, gonna try TinyDerp's now

[dark brook]

ye we found a player #2 outside of the map

[lofty sorrel]

Got this error after the host died, the host was also the last player left so could be related

[dark brook]

HMMM

now that i think of it i def died as host when i first spotted the bugged masked

[solemn ridge]

I will say in my multiplayer games I had where masked would stand there not moving they were never mimics of me

[dark brook]

were you the host?

[solemn ridge]

Yes

[dark brook]

and you were alive when observing them

[solemn ridge]

Yep

[dark brook]

and they didnt have cosmetics

ughhhhh ok i thought i was onto something

[solemn ridge]

Well tbf idk cus the people they mimiced lacked cosmetics but they wore the proper suits

[dark brook]

yeah i saw the suits sometimes also

weird

but on screenshots of clients they're always naked

[solemn ridge]

Ayo?

[dark brook]

well in orange suits

i mean

[solemn ridge]

Haha I was gonna say

It's impossible to rule out the Orange suit being an issue, cus I had some people wearing Orange suits

So there could always be someone wearing it when that happens

[dark brook]

it might be host/client difference

cause host also cant spectate masked that arent mimicking anyone (referring to #1176357567824396388 )

[worthy helm]

They do mimic colors of the players as well. Had one spawn, it actually killed me but no animation played but clients saw the "mimic" take me out. On my screen I was fine but couldn't pick up items anymore or interact at at all.

[solemn ridge]

So has anyone reported Mirage or it's dependencies randomly making it so some people can't hear someone else talking? Weird question cus the past 2 times I played I had someone randomly be unable to hear me til they left and rejoined the lobby

[worthy helm]

Aha, i got this all last night with 4+ people

[solemn ridge]

I for the sake of my sanity unticked the MuteLocalPlayer option and swapped it to the AlwaysMuteLocalPlayer option instead incase it's that cus the AlwaysMute one is client sided

[worthy helm]

I don't have those mods either, but we always had 3/7 of us muted. Even as host sometimes I was muted and re-hosting fixed it.

[solemn ridge]

But I also saw someone say Mirage gave them this issue without even touching those options

[dark brook]

mmm

qwbarch said if no workie then revert to prev version

cause he cant look into this now

[solemn ridge]

This was a bug with previous version

As well

But the thing I wonder is if it's Mirage or maybe one of it's dependencies like NAudio cus the NAudio github is flooded with bug reports

[lofty sorrel]

Why does it have to be so hard to force a bug to happen

@sharp torrent Seeing as you were getting the bug consistently, next time you get it, if you do, could you try removing some mods, trying again,seeing if you get the error, then removing more mods etc?

Maybe it's not a bug, but a test. To test our resolve. All must experience this bug, and their response will determine their fate

But then... Why am I refused to experience the bug?

Am I doomed to only watch as others experience the bug?

[solemn ridge]

I'm at the point where I may just revert to MEO and Skinwalkers til this mod gets some of it's bugs sorted

I do adore this mod so much though

But the vc issues need fixed

[worthy helm]

I had to do that, it was quite frustrating and people wanted a stable session.

[solemn ridge]

in terms of what caused the vc problems idk it was random to reproduce